From nobody Mon Sep 01 23:24:04 2025 X-Original-To: current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cG4h65tvWz65mvq for ; Mon, 01 Sep 2025 23:24:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dim@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R13" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4cG4h65Hplz46SX; Mon, 01 Sep 2025 23:24:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dim@FreeBSD.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1756769046; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=q5IsJLCgAngZqW+ZUM/GZVIanEiojJMsALZuwkLjfTc=; b=HqAzp88u6GEoGQ2TM7/vosNQBmiiSbTmhCdRaveQCEY3bgUDz452pIDhD5ToHlsOFDpvxW XBczCSX9T6YGLjUU89VTXgWUsUCz3Ydh/ozXWu/3/hZ5E2aqEVd7/JUr62nTs4EELOKL3i +YdsdEX20Cpa/LBzB7s7XGpCGkBrP3pxmOVEOhlw/6zkNDE6nX37PkBe2oBTYS0/R3DRJj t7nGRfbUafyttHBs6F14+ut54XDd+yxlLykbuclSv57ciRMh3m0MG1MWSekOirnzIWFObI 1EmPhOsUkLc90vz51SDi2YyaqTq7H2s+El5VqA76eLqIhWXJHKAf2NsXYUnnqw== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1756769046; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=q5IsJLCgAngZqW+ZUM/GZVIanEiojJMsALZuwkLjfTc=; b=XMNsKdyc3NMmwUNFAvYKce/4nHUuwJnm32/eEQEwwVGnWmIgjdYORUcqls3pWVWJyy/JUi 8BeuOWPg3m9R4iY9ceZMafD1YC5YasfebYlLf/4BZhhG5JpZgNXumYKr7lKvn26Jp1xCv+ GA9BYIJEChwNIGQpZGTFl0ynxFGNPtgPLncCqm+AX3+YvLwdN5c8tmKomrdR5c2tr++hF7 kavojPAFbFZNtMHQaFeKaYu2k3bsrs9Y7kjTaZ+mSQZbWE+XkeU7/NGQszS0gt9iPw4Kcw O+jNFkHljs4UwVImfOHREn/Co72j3ktsPFfpTPJ+oyxgu3zZgxkk0ExlAvGUQA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1756769046; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=D++AGQlbmfK7qch26buo8AklkczaH15xhXTJ8meBErlV6L6zsTYesBIP3dGiFMqujqy+zL rrhw23S/fKIACYHyp9kh1Nb7xT8LxdQR2DCywkNgV6SsO83syTZyZy+S/DmZLfCPhJz9To NHEqXzTSYQ95febNb5eZFRCMTzVHauh7X6Ym5ZeBHSo2K2ZnzKL4hJGdt1YRdqvus/VERm kXRDi6PgILxOd0UzSlhZ5Zk7vsg1N6T0OIbvEutgDIVtLr9TjdeLilXfU0Wn3mZImg1abG STsAlORJbuLhCRCvPyiUW2YvdvbyStF25ei7XcJpacSTYekkHEaGhv6BERdp+Q== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from tensor.andric.com (tensor.andric.com [87.251.56.140]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature ECDSA (prime256v1) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "tensor.andric.com", Issuer "E8" (verified OK)) (Authenticated sender: dim) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4cG4h63msHz3lw; Mon, 01 Sep 2025 23:24:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dim@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtpclient.apple (bladnoch.home.andric.com [192.168.0.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-ECDSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by tensor.andric.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D8C1865BD3; Tue, 02 Sep 2025 01:24:04 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.700.81\)) Subject: Re: buildworld in current vs stable/14 From: Dimitry Andric In-Reply-To: <4f206fc8-45c8-4cdd-8a1f-2c9a48aa1063@sonicboom.org> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2025 01:24:04 +0200 Cc: current@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8B6762EE-E309-438E-915F-7863706020CD@FreeBSD.org> References: <4f206fc8-45c8-4cdd-8a1f-2c9a48aa1063@sonicboom.org> To: Brian X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) On 1 Sep 2025, at 23:28, Brian wrote: >=20 > I am not sure when this changed, but I often test building the system = just to do it, often with ccache. What I am seeing is that in 14.x = systems, ccache shows a total number of ccache hits and misses in the = low 40k range, whereas in 15 it is much less, often 2-3k. Of course the = build moves more quickly. Is this tech to only build what is related to = code changes? This is probably because 15-CURRENT uses WITHOUT_CLEAN by default, since = 2025-08-19 at least. On 14.x, this is not the case. You might find that = there is less difference between the two, if you put WITHOUT_CLEAN in = your src.conf. -Dimitry