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User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: <324231230.147694.1760527890049@localhost> <43B68BB6-02FA-470E-A8C5-99D15E3707D7@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Bar: / X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.20 / 15.00]; HFILTER_HOSTNAME_5(3.00)[d004-fea2-0bff-021e-13e8-8437-07d0-2001.dyn.estpak.ee]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.996]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[ketas.si.pri.ee,reject]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2001:7d0:8437:1300::/56]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.20)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[ketas.si.pri.ee:s=ketas-si-pri-ee-20240416002854-4096]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[ketas.si.pri.ee:+] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cmsd65C4Tz3S7q On October 15, 2025 3:28:01 PM GMT+03:00, Lexi Winter = wrote: >Matteo Riondato wrote in <43B68BB6-02FA-470E-A8C5-99D15E3707D7@FreeBSD=2E= org>: >> > On Oct 15, 2025, at 8:16 AM, Lexi Winter wrote: >> > NB, "set-minimal-jail" is not intended to be the smallest possible se= t >> > of packages for a jail; it's meant to be "minimal" (the basic base sy= stem) >> > for jails=2E so if dhclient use in jails is widespread, we should pr= obably >> > add it to minimal-jail=2E >=20 >> So does =E2=80=9Cminimal=E2=80=9D really mean =E2=80=9Ctypical=E2=80=9D= ?=20 >=20 >no=2E the project has no opinion on what a "typical jail" might contain= =2E > >"minimal" is the minimal supported configuration for a multi-user UNIX >system, i=2Ee=2E the packages that people need to install to bring up a >standard FreeBSD system and have things work as expected=2E > >"minimal-jail" is "minimal" without software that doesn't work in jails= =2E >dhclient obviously works in jails, but i ommitted it since i thought it >was extremely uncommon to use dhclient in a jail=2E but if this is more >common than i thought, we can add it=2E unsure how much we should add to minimal become it comes generic, usual or= "maximal" (:p) i run full separate networking in my otherwise shared fs non-pkgbase-yet r= o-/ & ro-/usr/local jails with dynamic v4/v6 ip / dns assigns, so i indeed = do run all of this others might not=2E but dhclient is maybe small, we can afford adding it i= n and not have people cursing of large deps and ton of space i think that ones who actually need full custom jails have passed the offi= cial sets anyway and created their own, just like i've done for my embedded= things