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From: Matteo Riondato In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2025 08:46:08 -0400 Cc: Ronald Klop , current@freebsd.org, pkgbase@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <89861E7A-64C7-47CB-89F6-A93AB14813FF@FreeBSD.org> References: <324231230.147694.1760527890049@localhost> <43B68BB6-02FA-470E-A8C5-99D15E3707D7@FreeBSD.org> To: Lexi Winter X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.700.6.1.21) X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4cmrRy4dh3z47Gc > On Oct 15, 2025, at 8:28 AM, Lexi Winter wrote: >=20 > Matteo Riondato wrote in = <43B68BB6-02FA-470E-A8C5-99D15E3707D7@FreeBSD.org>: >>> On Oct 15, 2025, at 8:16 AM, Lexi Winter wrote: >>> NB, "set-minimal-jail" is not intended to be the smallest possible = set >>> of packages for a jail; it's meant to be "minimal" (the basic base = system) >>> for jails. so if dhclient use in jails is widespread, we should = probably >>> add it to minimal-jail. >=20 >> So does =E2=80=9Cminimal=E2=80=9D really mean =E2=80=9Ctypical=E2=80=9D= ?=20 >=20 > no. the project has no opinion on what a "typical jail" might = contain. >=20 > "minimal" is the minimal supported configuration for a multi-user UNIX > system, i.e. the packages that people need to install to bring up a > standard FreeBSD system and have things work as expected. Is there a clash of terms between =E2=80=9Cneed=E2=80=9D and = =E2=80=9Cstandard=E2=80=9D? Maybe that =E2=80=9Cneed=E2=80=9D should be =E2=80=9Cshould=E2=80=9D ? =20 > "minimal-jail" is "minimal" without software that doesn't work in = jails. > dhclient obviously works in jails, but i ommitted it since i thought = it > was extremely uncommon to use dhclient in a jail. but if this is more > common than i thought, we can add it. It seems you had a definition ("'minimal-jail=E2=80=99 is all minus = {what doesn=E2=80=99t work in a jail}=E2=80=9D AND =E2=80=9Cis the = minimal supported") but ignored it for dhclient.=20 That makes the definition not valid anymore. It also seem that (before the change), dhclient in jails would not have = been supported (as =E2=80=98=E2=80=9Cminimal=E2=80=99 is the *minimal = supported* configuration=E2=80=9D, quote yours, emphasis mine), which = would have been bizarre. If we have definitions, we gotta adhere to them, or it creates = confusions to the users and the developers. Are there other packages for which the definition was ignored? And to be clear, I really appreciate all your work smoothing out corners = for pkgbase. It is just that some of the choices, especially wrt = meta-packages, do not seem to be documented / stated beforehand, so one = may not know what to expect from these packages. Thanks, Matteo