From nobody Tue Oct 14 00:48:07 2025 X-Original-To: current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4clwYj1jn7z6CdXH; Tue, 14 Oct 2025 00:48:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R13" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4clwYj1BtHz3s6L; Tue, 14 Oct 2025 00:48:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1760402889; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=stV1hEkgb2oLuWuj2TU1JyKpajw5GfDgrSM5168jYsc=; b=mZ0m4K1dHpSeQyCVFegG7iGQA5Wy5Q6gYrHDLsTr8q/WdtFWFpnQFHTHxry1fY7jraH/h0 gt1B6R5v5AEp7EFKWGwAiG3l4MDaEKmZbng31Ne6TNpmCu93vp2tGhb4bk0QAoOHs696n5 xg5SQfHPr1Po7FxeJwE/USNXqd9EBM2s7j/B4nVQBfuac9rvQQTSAgTzrv+eAE+yVhxJbu WyJXN4uiVjqKGpHkvlDGI2ZfbMzbVwaI+oZJqYbrxsJ8Kf8Nv9ASOubMMpGvQNfRvX5b+d s4w3ODtjNTjzumJ1lAbC6xgBAo4oHp3hPgUghlgnazLP+EgLXetOR3+TQ6bABw== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1760402889; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=stV1hEkgb2oLuWuj2TU1JyKpajw5GfDgrSM5168jYsc=; b=NuEGlcFWKaRpMmrmpnFzvn61+1OBdbyBRhARqXbRF697QhKZJ1J3fBVOuL66SWyw2RBbfV uRGql+2LuwX/rr8FZA2UiMVUU2r0mfeMdus53IxS5IACCtoZXByIhxUEUmFN6U41V/QhJv VzJmUotKc7QzP8CsMPNHFqnq7Am6LPLDEQ9jtoNlcOLD89yzrh9NthXFzXLdYVO3qDgI8l DuMec+g0gv99OMjhC5AQ4ehMGAokyBAp2YHzeI1HPEjihSKbhWdFePVVtbvQVjJaT2+jTq YL1i5mJ1fQVblHHWnmJ5WzKAYtkCGXtZ/8wqriWxYJQbKqn8xb7yBbBFV4CWwA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1760402889; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=bkRawkoNhqjPI+yY9pd7bfqgz24M84zDOhKa33vu2iRh/399L05fhjp88IVmwsme6fUxzN 6pOq5SSUiwIZfCMEE/taq3LcyovDTCPrQjwX9NaIk14n2VMO98JJc5KO81aLs6AJa5gtKY iDJGkyV8mjTQVcGSb46Z40Hszkzdwz1aQdOQDk0GSB0UYJ295IVEKVhLfiuiTdGQ6XNKnk 1Bs3oZ6/37dZWXjUUlExXFnsbRa1gCMKBN7C2xTqDHF5NnEHWP2T27APspUY9OSjCTP8gn tebeTG5XdA4GMXSYcUSXNBqot/j5rrjRgWfgl4K/IUOZy9a5vuw/WxaiROOgzw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from ltc.des.dev (88-177-82-251.subs.proxad.net [88.177.82.251]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: des) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4clwYh71tBzLwP; Tue, 14 Oct 2025 00:48:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@freebsd.org) Received: by ltc.des.dev (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9D83F88294; Tue, 14 Oct 2025 02:48:07 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Adrian Chadd Cc: Olivier Certner , fs@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: openat("./...", O_CREAT) fails even though the directory exists In-Reply-To: (Adrian Chadd's message of "Mon, 13 Oct 2025 11:06:02 -0700") References: <2507674.THHZn3L5Ee@ravel> <6142242.Zv9zXsTiuT@ravel> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2025 02:48:07 +0200 Message-ID: <86zf9u5mwo.fsf@ltc.des.dev> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Adrian Chadd writes: > I'm curious - why are we NOT restarting services after an upgraded packag= e? We've never done so in the past, neither for base nor for ports (or packages), except that we started restarting sshd in freebsd-update(8) a few years ago because sshd will stop accepting new connections if the on-disk binary gets desynchronized from the running daemon, so you can easily lock yourself out of a system by running freebsd-update remotely, cf. . DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@FreeBSD.org