From nobody Mon Oct 13 18:21:49 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4clm0P4NXDz6C8lx for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2025 18:22:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-current-freebsd-org111@ketas.si.pri.ee) Received: from mail.ketas.si.pri.ee (d004-fea2-0bff-021e-13e8-8437-07d0-2001.dyn.estpak.ee [IPv6:2001:7d0:8437:13e8:21e:bff:fea2:d004]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4clm0N3X2jz49fX for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2025 18:22:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-current-freebsd-org111@ketas.si.pri.ee) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=ketas.si.pri.ee header.s=ketas-si-pri-ee-20240416002854-4096 header.b=g4eSP8sb; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=ketas.si.pri.ee; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd-current-freebsd-org111@ketas.si.pri.ee designates 2001:7d0:8437:13e8:21e:bff:fea2:d004 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd-current-freebsd-org111@ketas.si.pri.ee X-Original-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=ketas.si.pri.ee; s=ketas-si-pri-ee-20240416002854-4096; t=1760379712; bh=nBsnZHYQ50+qODztWmP3EuAi5af3P138lDRhIb+Sc64=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=g4eSP8sb29Z9we03xm4YSUgb6rNwDdVhMu8v/b0E1whyavw6UCeoRCNLAdKIf8l9d 8HmL5NdlIGwIHCPD4w1nWrbvfCpANerNrItQZEhh6WPdX4U4+1T2L1fGY9jWIuEbs0 IrTK75rkOCojRrfSMgZ10hdK7FuoxYrsEeWRbB9z7/C73vJ+ue2Z534QV0rvtH3VxH knuI4RrkK7e4IZapXECtDOeYDgohkCF260MwpY3zUiVKbMtBmqiL88a1VR/WdZEbCO auxZzjQXk6yM4Pfe4VEOPqtJAyVUqegpcjpDAj8F1HJs8muSPusd0RwX8M+dxnzptL YIjz+rbu3YukarrB3QiGyXWq1dQpSLpZsXGWowye2SKdt61ydbO9cF9Adq9/WT81T8 Yl7MDEIYmXMgZi4rwkAP8+MQvbsKn2L98RB5MJMNEoYcCT0x5RVQ2gerNAjvhdKZEJ 875rDChX7LpEHv63sf1viLU5gMxcorkHBLk9N2rrL/pHkxXSCuIFP0O5hbfTmmhy7c PPbmRtSSr+P6ELj3hEugnipK7wgrlJ2D84S0Bc5HBB+gq3T+HWmxdOEJmRzKsf3F+z J3eIZx540HWxTxq4EwWqQFOXCUvnhKHa+BNlXNTbCgCV0P752j+n1lxTLjMXl5hDnd KI0yc2QNb/5JsI+KCNnCZSC8= Received: from ehlo.thunderbird.net (0115-0000-0000-0000-13c8-8437-07d0-2001.dyn.estpak.ee [IPv6:2001:7d0:8437:13c8::115]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail.ketas.si.pri.ee (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CBFA95CC172 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2025 21:21:51 +0300 (EEST) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2025 21:21:49 +0300 From: Sulev-Madis Silber To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: openat("./...", O_CREAT) fails even though the directory exists User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: <2507674.THHZn3L5Ee@ravel> <6142242.Zv9zXsTiuT@ravel> Message-ID: <51721B50-CDEB-4B93-9CA6-1B2141180869@ketas.si.pri.ee> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Bar: / X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.80 / 15.00]; HFILTER_HOSTNAME_5(3.00)[d004-fea2-0bff-021e-13e8-8437-07d0-2001.dyn.estpak.ee]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.997]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[ketas.si.pri.ee,reject]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[ketas.si.pri.ee:s=ketas-si-pri-ee-20240416002854-4096]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.20)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2001:7d0:8437:1300::/56]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[ketas.si.pri.ee:+] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4clm0N3X2jz49fX On October 13, 2025 9:06:02 PM GMT+03:00, Adrian Chadd wrote: >=2E=2E=2E > >On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 at 03:23, Lexi Winter wrote: > >> Olivier Certner wrote in <6142242=2EZv9zXsTiuT@ravel>: >> > > i suspect the fix will be in pkgbase somewhere: for example, we >> > > could restart sendmail on upgrade, or tell the user to do that=2E >> > >> > Most probably it will need too, yes=2E >> >> proposed fix at https://reviews=2Efreebsd=2Eorg/D53061=2E i really don= 't like >> this (nothing else restarts services on upgrade) but this is probably t= he >> least disruptive solution for users=2E >> > >I'm curious - why are we NOT restarting services after an upgraded packag= e? > > >-a i hope this wasn't proposal of blanket restarts everywhere=2E this could g= et bad quickly=2E i recall friends cursing linux distros going one step fur= ther, starting everything that's installed with default config many things would happily run after update, nginx even has special no inte= rrupt upgrade which replaces binary for sshd it would maybe ok but who knows=2E all around restarting is bad= =2E at least optout would be needed what if it needs config change or other kind of adjustments before admin d= ecides to restart it=2E or wants to choose time