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[62.13.8.86]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 2adb3069b0e04-5941f3a3505sm2407726e87.48.2025.11.02.16.59.05 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 02 Nov 2025 16:59:06 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------FRXEik3gPyCmiCSgfQn9twkD" Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2025 01:59:05 +0100 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: Why is the DVD image so large? To: Chris Cc: FreeBSD CURRENT References: <0b0432cb-1f7c-4c62-bf25-65e243163f25@gmail.com> <8cb72b717229553bb4ca6849ca590298@bsdforge.com> Content-Language: sv-SE From: Lars Tunkrans Organization: Retiered In-Reply-To: <8cb72b717229553bb4ca6849ca590298@bsdforge.com> X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4d0CsF6GTqz4GRd This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------FRXEik3gPyCmiCSgfQn9twkD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Den 2025-11-03 kl. 00:59,  Chris wrote : > On 2025-11-01 12:44, Lars Tunkrans wrote: >> Den 2025-11-01 kl. 15:06, skrev Dennis Clarke: >>> >>> >>>     * * * I am happy to ask the dumb questions * * * >>> >>> >>> This morning I see that we have FreeBSD 15.0 BETA4 iso stuff : >>> >>> https://download.freebsd.org/releases/ISO-IMAGES/15.0/?C=M&O=D >>> >>> For doing a test install onto some real hardware I felt it would be >>> nice to try out the iso images for ye old fashioned DVD. Worth a try? >>> >>> However I see : >>> >>> FreeBSD-15.0-BETA4-amd64-dvd1.iso     5150257152  2025-Oct-31 12:38 >>> FreeBSD-15.0-BETA4-amd64-dvd1.iso.xz  4276839812  2025-Oct-31 12:38 >>> >>> Now the dvd1 image seems a tad large for an actual DVD media. I think >>> this has been the case for a very long time now. >>> >>> Why is the DVD image so large?  Can something/anything be trimmed out? >>> >> >> HI   Dennis >> >>    Beta3    did  not  have  the  KDE  Packages    and  was  4 GB  .   >> BETA4 >> has  the  KDE  packages    and  is  4.8 GB >>     Just 100  MB    to  large  for  a  standard   DVD of  4.7 GB >>    I looked  at  the  cost  of  DVD-R   media   and  DVD-DL  ( Double >> Layer ) >> media   at  Amazon .  And  prices  is  very similar   for  50 DVD  & >> DVD-DL >> spindle packs. >>    There is no  economic  reason   for not  buying   8.5 GB DVD-DL >> media . >>    SO  its  possible  to put even  more  packages  on  a DVD-DL_ISO  >>   (  Up  to >> 8,5 GB )    which  would make offline installation  a  lot easier. > How does this pertain to reader/writers? Different burners have > different capabilities. *The DVD-R DL format was released   to   the market in 2005.   ( according  to  the  Google AI   & Wikipedia ) *  Your  DVD Writer/Reader     needs  to  have been  bought   for more  than  15   years  ago,  to not  support DVD-DL format. basically  three  Computer generations. > >> >>     All  thats  needed  is  to  Document  that   DVD-DL  media is  >> required >> for  the  DVD-DL_ISO >> >>    Regards > -- ------------------------- Lars Tunkrans Oracle SPARC/Solaris System Administrator Fujitsu M12 SPARC Specilaist --------------FRXEik3gPyCmiCSgfQn9twkD Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit


Den 2025-11-03 kl. 00:59,  Chris wrote :
On 2025-11-01 12:44, Lars Tunkrans wrote:
Den 2025-11-01 kl. 15:06, skrev Dennis Clarke:


    * * * I am happy to ask the dumb questions * * *


This morning I see that we have FreeBSD 15.0 BETA4 iso stuff :

https://download.freebsd.org/releases/ISO-IMAGES/15.0/?C=M&O=D

For doing a test install onto some real hardware I felt it would be nice to try out the iso images for ye old fashioned DVD. Worth a try?

However I see :

FreeBSD-15.0-BETA4-amd64-dvd1.iso     5150257152  2025-Oct-31 12:38
FreeBSD-15.0-BETA4-amd64-dvd1.iso.xz  4276839812  2025-Oct-31 12:38

Now the dvd1 image seems a tad large for an actual DVD media. I think
this has been the case for a very long time now.

Why is the DVD image so large?  Can something/anything be trimmed out?


HI   Dennis

   Beta3    did  not  have  the  KDE  Packages    and  was  4 GB  .   BETA4   
has  the  KDE  packages    and  is  4.8 GB
    Just 100  MB    to  large  for  a  standard   DVD of  4.7 GB
   I looked  at  the  cost  of  DVD-R   media   and  DVD-DL  ( Double Layer ) 
media   at  Amazon .  And  prices  is  very similar   for  50  DVD  & DVD-DL 
spindle packs.
   There is no  economic  reason   for not  buying   8.5 GB DVD-DL media .
   SO  its  possible  to put even  more  packages  on  a DVD-DL_ISO    (  Up  to 
8,5 GB )    which  would make offline installation  a  lot easier.
How does this pertain to reader/writers? Different burners have different capabilities. 
 

The DVD-R DL format was released   to   the market in 2005.   (  according  to  the  Google AI   & Wikipedia )  
 Your  DVD Writer/Reader     needs  to  have been  bought   for more  than  15   years  ago,  to not  support DVD-DL format. 
basically  three  Computer generations.  




    All  thats  needed  is  to  Document  that   DVD-DL  media is  required   
for  the  DVD-DL_ISO

   Regards 

-- 
-------------------------
Lars Tunkrans
Oracle SPARC/Solaris System Administrator
Fujitsu M12 SPARC Specilaist
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