From nobody Fri May 23 12:34:20 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4b3l3J50mwz5xBqk for ; Fri, 23 May 2025 12:34:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-current-freebsd-org111@ketas.si.pri.ee) Received: from mail.ketas.si.pri.ee (d004-fea2-0bff-021e-13e8-8437-07d0-2001.dyn.estpak.ee [IPv6:2001:7d0:8437:13e8:21e:bff:fea2:d004]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4b3l3H0Xt9z3vvD for ; Fri, 23 May 2025 12:34:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-current-freebsd-org111@ketas.si.pri.ee) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=ketas.si.pri.ee header.s=ketas-si-pri-ee-20240416002854-4096 header.b=lVv1COp2; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd-current-freebsd-org111@ketas.si.pri.ee designates 2001:7d0:8437:13e8:21e:bff:fea2:d004 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd-current-freebsd-org111@ketas.si.pri.ee; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=ketas.si.pri.ee X-Original-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=ketas.si.pri.ee; s=ketas-si-pri-ee-20240416002854-4096; t=1748003661; bh=F5fEyKCkYok48ieojSW1SfBJlaEjljL2LdOT60hjm6I=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=lVv1COp2HVA6EfjTO5Qx87y713ws3HWK2y3yYsAUhmQg2xbClfoHeuY6r+hU9wh39 QEHU9BERb3lPZ3r9Vs/JLhaM7cFWn/QXhO4glB1cjqXUIruzMcgkC4vIE+lNDHFFdY 2uhbyKxKeFdwWo29yRtouWt4Op1VbdThidcFYJgy5e0DbDkeBrYKnGW+kvG6yTOL6p 4gKJi0ybSBrfsnSW4AO5A2TwqJpYgGag3GSzj9S4qmvzpFCHP9ADwYNx3L81GFooJU khF81cHwA55hRfSYTLwF/+dcBcKq00izWVq3XdTQejyfLN/1gfeo9+THlSG6y1sdXq dYG07FtIoQQ+mJtMui1rkeg8AoD8g+ZSDy4D9LaSESNPobGNqe0Utg9hlo+Dgcxt3a cjE/vnIDBlivTi3g0hRYpnYig6Ik4kj7b8h9FZ3LJCPqhq7VwKwba41XPkcRMHOus7 0pIxpBPIUS++d/OOowMscSzWgvyoQ67nnZSoVRe2tkuvJmdYP05CcRCuEl8v2wrfFU IJl9WTDqiUbxARtK1L/vFaQUCiV2qkaqo34R2yjrpO3A3LNvPvl7pgI+VjawM9rKVq GZjaNjBcleRbsHV1HiXZrxBvoR7Yni5tGCcZ+f850IMyx7fpVMZl5GQgwRX8CbpcyD dlNRi0eO7yu1BQNkdIaha53M= Received: from [IPv6:::1] (0114-0000-0000-0000-13c8-8437-07d0-2001.dyn.estpak.ee [IPv6:2001:7d0:8437:13c8::114]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail.ketas.si.pri.ee (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 28E3F59D719 for ; Fri, 23 May 2025 15:34:21 +0300 (EEST) Date: Fri, 23 May 2025 15:34:20 +0300 From: Sulev-Madis Silber To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: epair(4) User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: <45d0f49d-229b-46b4-af95-6e8c4c856661@plan-b.pwste.edu.pl> <932111f8-f5ca-46d1-9f66-983f80f6116b@protected-networks.net> <8DCF0DAB-5EE5-4FEF-8CCC-1D7AF971BA8C@hausen.com> <1eb27b2a-c05a-470f-ba1b-6730e39cc1d8@plan-b.pwste.edu.pl> <1245F3CD-393C-44BC-BAF1-0D70AC83A0CC@hausen.com> Message-ID: <69E34A33-A93D-4B9E-8C42-791E5D3C777D@ketas.si.pri.ee> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4b3l3H0Xt9z3vvD X-Spamd-Bar: + X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.84 / 15.00]; HFILTER_HOSTNAME_5(3.00)[d004-fea2-0bff-021e-13e8-8437-07d0-2001.dyn.estpak.ee]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.99)[0.989]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.94)[-0.945]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[ketas.si.pri.ee,reject]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.41)[-0.407]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2001:7d0:8437:1300::/56]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.20)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[ketas.si.pri.ee:s=ketas-si-pri-ee-20240416002854-4096]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:3249, ipnet:2001:7d0::/32, country:EE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[ketas.si.pri.ee:+] On May 23, 2025 2:11:24 PM GMT+03:00, void wrote: >On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 09:36:22AM +0200, Patrick M=2E Hausen wrote: >>=20 >> If I did not get this conversation entirely wrong, the problem >> is exactly that there are probably many people running an >> unsupported configuration without knowing=2E >>=20 >> How to reach them? > >I think an entry on the 15=2E0-RELEASE page, perhaps highlighted, >in a section of the page dealing with virtualization, together >with the the email announcing 15-stable, advising to examine >their bridge configuration, would suffice=2E Because it'd be reasonable (= IMO) to assume these would be read through before >upgrading=2E this is not the first time the things appear, disappear or change in fbsd = with only dark secret back room discussions i have been here since 4=2E6 and if i didn't read this, i would only know = this unusual setup finally stopped working when network doesn't come up aft= er reboot yea yea yea, testing envs and everything=2E reading docs and changelogs=2E= you still hate having sometning slipped in that derails everything for mer= e perf reasons that you missed