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Thu, 22 May 2025 13:05:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 22 May 2025 18:05:34 +0100 From: void To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updating build and jail manual pages to include missing or obscure information Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: <2d6ef406-2a4e-4876-b784-e9ad5a0e11be@app.fastmail.com> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4b3F6V5ylMz3wvF X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.35 / 15.00]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.99)[0.989]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.982]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[f-m.fm,none]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_EXCELLENT(-0.40)[202.12.124.148:from]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.36)[-0.357]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[f-m.fm:s=fm3,messagingengine.com:s=fm3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:202.12.124.128/27]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[202.12.124.148:from]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[f-m.fm]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[f-m.fm:+,messagingengine.com:+]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[f-m.fm]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[messagingengine.com:dkim] On Thu, May 22, 2025 at 07:56:38AM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > >I object to removing these. I do agree we should document other methods, >but my spidt sense is this is still in use... I object also. `make kernel` is useful if only for that by using it, one doesn't need to type `make buildkernel && make installkernel`. --