From nobody Thu May 22 16:16:28 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4b3D1p0fTYz5wrnl; Thu, 22 May 2025 16:16:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ivy@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R11" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4b3D1n6t5Xz3jYR; Thu, 22 May 2025 16:16:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ivy@FreeBSD.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1747930590; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=oqglLz/jEi9s29JgypDvIo9Qrv6mgnz0wCVkUqO35aU=; b=O9fgzCehfWmA+Z2axPBxFH9Bje0sO0G/cFYWhUaLT4wVWiJryCY34AMy0L4TWh7rNEIjt3 WmnzHzNjKSn7lWR0q8h+U1vg5ymCUA6oIvQEyqk7vhFxy5gIjUzeco2fxRpb8/QwSBRsha o+7xNQplgBaPozGQSC5/Lpg1tbzJuMq9ASf6z2+74KAdtRFzZHVYxqNaluivoBxid3Sf5f wPZRLKascyfBBkNH6vu/ZqXmU4BF6i2kW2r0cF651krcpL8/l+TTsMGcbFy25mUJXfLrJI ncSrLWuky39gB+Mm1FIhiVN6aGTuzZGPel1R872CbcoUgNbf855c5uEg0GC+DA== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1747930590; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=oqglLz/jEi9s29JgypDvIo9Qrv6mgnz0wCVkUqO35aU=; b=GA6uv+4TXVjLMmD9Ql8J7O9BrhxcBrKtiSFn7lanX9nybSh6nXkCvr1YwX4TEBiZ/fXx1I 3ZFxlWXnhUzMSH2VbJqTRvMkmCNipjO5PPVhnMjAe/3/+aPiVW0Pp5u+PGDOvpVbYC5dW1 ggFhly3Gtvu4/2WyOJ3qr2q3OyhAXK9XwnOFvgN7rNiEeZsBzu9TiOHXI0qlxWIWCz6KTP hHgd9yML/HG7gnP8xqSeDqik2o1u29rym4qj0V6VNki7lrG+wImA33dtrsVmnE2rdaauQA WLRM+67KjwEU7Yc9rVlT0BTM1BTfOotjjPx08ZZoLj0oDxDE0fCFc1HTQe/0pQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1747930590; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=NArMGoMavTS3EsynQgPBzj7KJe0vYBFocjr+DqeWZk1mrnGiuapbteQbqRstUKKqKgBztT kxQfhhWTrvq0/KqzIe0sUiEsKhbI+QSTGjIWPKfCI+5vouGjJqZbaLKrJ924HdJGxvq8FD +2gNA5nmD3u+Tprc4Sc1Yk4541HgYbJDlvjmFYlk6wpXAwsT52UuEzVWT5/X3m40xxJ6Ts 2vDhUOtyTUefAmc+UHQM7TyFwyrZGZW+uFzZdYksXYFH4ZZiAX1kkQ4KPQL00QddQm7bFQ iTNaG8OjzYsUVRSKHhis+8Z62JR9N3PSfCtvaqY3+O3K6jREayCCJqNGXRRvaQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from ragweed.eden.le-fay.org (ragweed.eden.le-fay.org [IPv6:2001:8b0:aab5:c401:1::1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: ivy/mail) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4b3D1n1Kf2zw8b; Thu, 22 May 2025 16:16:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ivy@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 22 May 2025 17:16:28 +0100 From: Lexi Winter To: Warner Losh Cc: Alexander Ziaee , Dave Cottlehuber , freebsd-current , doc , emaste Subject: Re: Updating build and jail manual pages to include missing or obscure information Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: Warner Losh , Alexander Ziaee , Dave Cottlehuber , freebsd-current , doc , emaste References: <2d6ef406-2a4e-4876-b784-e9ad5a0e11be@app.fastmail.com> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="pUiAu0w3ayFZj2M0" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: --pUiAu0w3ayFZj2M0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Warner Losh: > On Thu, May 22, 2025, 7:40=E2=80=AFAM Alexander Ziaee = wrote: > > There seems to be a rough consensus that we should remove the world and > > kernel targets. >=20 > I object to removing these. I do agree we should document other methods, > but my spidt sense is this is still in use... note that 'make world' already doesn't work unless you're using DESTDIR (or you set a special make knob) so it shouldn't be documented as a way of upgrading the system in general, e.g. in build(7). afaik, every invocation of 'make world' can be trivially replaced by 'make buildworld installworld', but there may be some argument for keeping it around for people who use it to build jails, for the sake of muscle memory. --pUiAu0w3ayFZj2M0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEABYKAB0WIQSyjTg96lp3RifySyn1nT63mIK/YAUCaC9N2wAKCRD1nT63mIK/ YHr0AQDPLEkrZ42dlsFtVdbfFYSLrLLBoDnb3PB0FrW4icZA6wEA68Ii7+Op0DIG w4VLJpCOYLRz6HmeMsA2y/rKzwfaOQg= =pxj2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pUiAu0w3ayFZj2M0--