From nobody Thu Jun 05 06:30:48 2025 X-Original-To: current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4bCZMc0Q26z5yHr1; Thu, 05 Jun 2025 06:30:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.netfence.it (mailserver.netfence.it [78.134.96.152]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mailserver.netfence.it", Issuer "R10" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4bCZMb4Jxsz49Kb; Thu, 05 Jun 2025 06:30:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from [10.1.2.18] (alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18]) (authenticated bits=0) by soth.netfence.it (8.18.1/8.17.2) with ESMTPSA id 5556UmSs071813 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 5 Jun 2025 08:30:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=netfence.it; s=202504; t=1749105049; bh=LQvo1kvBXdcRz/RCyTDKQpF9dRmZ044EL4T81KANIJw=; h=Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=DsnlT91s/E8H5Ky6qjDhOezw6t2M+LVkEnAt2n4A6Kj4hbboYR3+alTiD9LsNVWwd S1L39XdNt4u1tE7GdxYlmhH2ig43N3b7rWXJtGi8AUOZeFEzwZcR2OuuX9+cldpgps yyHgaCErR8vA1ysLcOQtN+wJDPXYQNpX8Op9w6C4= X-Authentication-Warning: soth.netfence.it: Host alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18] claimed to be [10.1.2.18] Message-ID: <76c3c408-02e4-4a07-9745-064ad7abcc43@netfence.it> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2025 08:30:48 +0200 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: HEADS UP: wireless KPI and KBI and FreeBSD 15 Content-Language: en-US To: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" , FreeBSD wireless mailing list Cc: current@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org, desktop@freebsd.org References: <114q5890-nrs9-55r5-44n9-86506985490s@SerrOFQ.bet> From: Andrea Venturoli In-Reply-To: <114q5890-nrs9-55r5-44n9-86506985490s@SerrOFQ.bet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4bCZMb4Jxsz49Kb X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:35612, ipnet:78.134.0.0/17, country:IT] On 6/4/25 19:51, Bjoern A. Zeeb wrote: > This would imply development happening in FreeBSD 16-CURRENT (main at > that point) would stay there.  The first release to ship anything major > beyond now would be FreeBSD 16.0 in December 2027 [1]. > > After some discussion we think this is not a feasible solution and we > will declare the KPI and KBI for wireless as unstable in FreeBSD 15. Hello. Other have already answered with more details and insight, so I'll just give my 2c. Waiting for (practically) 2028 is way too long. So OK if 15 has some ABI instability; OK if 15 is delayed in order to make it stable. Just to give contest, I'm eagerly awating 14.3 release in order to start investigating my WiFi again; right now I've cherry-picked too many patches and would need to stop and think about what I did... :). Thanks for all your work. bye av.