From nobody Thu Jul 31 05:05:33 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4bsxqW1gm4z63S7c; Thu, 31 Jul 2025 05:05:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joel@vnode.se) Received: from oden.vnode.se (oden.vnode.se [IPv6:2001:19f0:6c01:6b7:5400:1ff:fe33:16b1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature ECDSA (secp384r1) client-digest SHA384) (Client CN "oden.vnode.se", Issuer "E5" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4bsxqV6Cvbz3P85; Thu, 31 Jul 2025 05:05:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joel@vnode.se) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from ymer.vnode.se (81-232-101-195-no600.tbcn.telia.com [81.232.101.195]) by oden.vnode.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 97E5C167D6F; Thu, 31 Jul 2025 07:05:33 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=vnode.se; s=mail; t=1753938334; bh=UbU+VEXscOYcAHlC25YE9E1FmiTNWrshfdyFQNiPVyM=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=CZ0KB/wH/6i9Clx34FlXxCsmxjMPG8Jhmkv+rH1sz0ec2GcUP0fTpbh67qL5dnX2L I2LKRhUqP+r6NJZm9EfDu/VPPIAVxcelc8C8mbjA1n+ZCFrGf1okK8NTC/jWDzjfVg HWWZ6kwGVRhTN1T12s/panTN/1Kj9TUdDCS5Q2J8= Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2025 07:05:33 +0200 From: Joel Dahl To: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> Cc: vermaden , Shawn Webb , "freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" , pete@nomadlogic.org, bapt@freebsd.org, bane@pmf.uns.ac.rs Subject: Re: PKGBASE Removes FreeBSD Base System Feature Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz>, vermaden , Shawn Webb , "freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" , pete@nomadlogic.org, bapt@freebsd.org, bane@pmf.uns.ac.rs References: List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4bsxqV6Cvbz3P85 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:6c00::/38, country:US] On Thu, Jul 31, 2025 at 03:57:47AM +0200, Miroslav Lachman wrote: > On 30/07/2025 20:30, vermaden wrote: > > Hi. > > > > I have only two proposals that seem sensible. > > > > (1) > > > > Keep pkg(8) for third party packages with /etc/pkg and /usr/local/etc/pkg and /var/db/pkg dirs for configuration. > > > > Use separate pkgbase(8) with /etc/pkgbase and /usr/local/etc/pkgbase and /var/db/pkgbase dirs for managing PKGBASE packages. By pkgbase(8) I have the same pkg(8) project in mind - just renamed as pkgbase(8) and with */pkgbase dirs instead of */pkg. > > > > (2) > > > > My other idea is to 'mark' all FreeBSD Base System packages as 'vital' - so they are never removed automatically - but if someone wants to remove them with additional force option - then I assume he knows what he is doing. > > > > I would prefer (1) over (2) if you ask me. > > I would also like to separate it. Use one command to update (upgrade) 3rd > party packages and another to update (upgrade) base packages. It is our > workflow for the last 25+ years thus running one command to update both is > really unexpected and unwanted. A big +1 here. Please keep commands for base and 3rd party packages separated. -- Joel