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Message-Id: Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2025 18:20:26 -0800 To: Dennis Clarke , FreeBSD Current X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.300.87.4.3) References: X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.50 / 15.00]; RBL_SENDERSCORE_REPUT_9(-1.00)[98.137.65.84:from]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.998]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.65.84:from]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.65.84:from] X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4YYRRY05bLz49Rn Dennis Clarke wrote on Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2025 15:16:58 UTC : > Over the past month or so I see endless fails in builds for the big > three user facing window manager things. This means that a simple user > type person can not get a desktop. Really? Yes really. For at least a > month or more you can not build KDE5 nor LXDE nor XFCE desktop. . . . Here you seem to have leaped from your context's bulk build problems to most everyone else's bulk builds of similar software having similar bulk build problems. (Since Jan-7 I'm I'm temporarily without access to the FreeBSD systems that I normally do. Also, I do not normally build those specific ports. So I do not have evidence about those from my own activities.) > . . . > > Why do I always see things like this : Just rhetorical? (See more later.) > Queued: 31 Built: 21 Failed: 1 Skipped: 9 Ignored: 0 Fetched: 0 > Tobuild: 0 Time: 00:09:43 > > Every day. Over and over. For 14.2 and 13.4 and even 15.0 ? Every day. > > [142amd64-latest] [2025-01-15_15h06m30s] [parallel_build] Queued: 315 > Built: 20 Failed: 0 Skipped: 0 Ignored: 0 Fetched: 0 Tobuild: > 295 Time: 00:03:39 > > It will fail. For 2025Q1 or 2024Q4 or whatever is "latest". Fail. > > . . . I've not seen anything presented that might allow someone to help improve what happens in your context --or even to test if they can specifically reproduce any of your builds' specific failures, not even if they can match which ports blocked the potentially more overall builds. The note reads more as an expression of furstation than anything else, no attempt at getting help. Or, maybe, an attempt, in part, to see how many "me too" responses show up. The note was sent to freebsd-current. I'm not sure if I should read someting into that or not. Nothing hints at the platform(s) used vs. not or that fail vs. not. Prior to my FreeBSD use stopping on 2025-Jan-7, bulk builds that I had done worked fine. But it is likely to be a rather different workload vs. yours. Looking at the FreeBD package builders, I do see latest for main armv7 having: x11/kde5 being blocked by libfido2-1.15.0 x11-wm/xfce being blocked by vte3-0.70.2_5 x11/xfce4-goodies being blocked by vte3-0.70.2_5 x11/xfce4-terminal being blocked by vte3-0.70.2_5 But I did not see LXDE being blocked. I did not see such blocks for amd64 or arm64. Where I do see all of KDE5, LXDE, and XFCE blocked is by rust-1.81.0 in: 134releng-armv7-quarterly 141releng-armv7-quarterly For 141releng-armv7-default (a.k.a. latest): x11/kde5 being blocked by qt5-webengine-5.15.18p5_1 x11-wm/xfce being blocked by vte3-0.70.2_5 x11/xfce4-goodies being blocked by vte3-0.70.2_5 x11/xfce4-terminal being blocked by vte3-0.70.2_5 But I did not see LXDE being blocked. Note: So far, 134releng-armv7-default had a very early, global build failure where nothing built. But I've no clue if any of this matches your example build failures. === Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com