From nobody Sat Aug 09 07:08:53 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4bzX7T0njcz63b9j for ; Sat, 09 Aug 2025 07:08:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mmel@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R11" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4bzX7T03lHz3wxP for ; Sat, 09 Aug 2025 07:08:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mmel@FreeBSD.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1754723333; h=from:from:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=i0v7OQBTdSpSjy6dLwSsN2ihpvnzOQ5VSdDTuHbwwxs=; b=qeJrnwFWQGWmCDf+KdsFBNCyecYnOQwnZEY80DCxrjpc37cVez1wgQ+tEa0CQAh4xIqvib JPmYCXV7uOyKwjc5vqWSHx8ip/CwKv7xsnur64WfAGj6eF5WDV9W/xVYLts4i1RLfCQDuH gna/1uxlfbMiCWGOXSknEXPuwwB7uWoGsKoiu5Iut5vh+t5ysouQImXGL9i7OlnCX3OBJa yfXLMCxd/7eSYikRL4iwUJ0Bv9m60PRrYMnsbnzlIwFymQwdKhZ7cB3I/Tht1CFQPeaBiT EZkH4qlraAblzUB69VYQ7yFC/fr4NzVePfQCZ88N6Y19S7LZQHH2GTTYIrfm2g== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1754723333; h=from:from:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=i0v7OQBTdSpSjy6dLwSsN2ihpvnzOQ5VSdDTuHbwwxs=; b=A5kgSv3WFeWN141AhIx0shZ/b6WO3xEy8nmfgpw0FzjE2aeZWYexcKk9quBrUJc6KB1DCH kPFgg+fsp0bBk9NsmNuRuhRrjfgL69Pr/P/AyeeENz/itBuoVrEIincBTe+DfT+rE7eA1X uqQc3Hjk54x/nOdAmoY5KgOtohtVNO22dx8b1Yp9+0/ZD8J6kDgWj42KKw0MU2/nT66vjw XPyEF35PHGCF74+Josx2vyo2JdYX2yKOhngDiUnORmBzhB/+qBPj4TExwXQvmZxHaEn+4W n8aAWBDZaD+c6Y5LFfnkGVchVfT5EG0jmQ4URomMJJo2K0RXBrignYWdP9vKmA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1754723333; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=IDuv8ckvnNvDDTMmdpwTbAnOC0W4k7qpVZP+51LV439VGibntqQlNA7vgavEk08QYlyGx2 nGpcDfcTb5mToHn9zAr6mXpNzIrYtqvjZOorIXU3B3mawxErO1Kw5x01egLhKfo3P5xbxI VrLrz+OHH8peMWjJ0tHx8Sia5o1r6dEfIDlNb0PDBOzbwqEb66iSQJQuErXygKzPNoL6Om 0o7J8yAYQk7XS5ubKV0IInJQgai+NWrDZE/t6UT6FNZpK81EZ1MOZ0tBGnVN16RuGvJfEa y+PsigvSjdU9BnPPyfhX9cskyYp/+lPlPCiwinWkYNSlYNX29+YtDMGD0O+BXg== Received: from [IPV6:2001:67c:14a0:5fe0:cc8b:1cd7:47c6:d3d5] (unknown [IPv6:2001:67c:14a0:5fe0:cc8b:1cd7:47c6:d3d5]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: mmel/mail) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4bzX7S4pmCzwxV for ; Sat, 09 Aug 2025 07:08:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mmel@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <96820ff6-bdb0-4d25-ad78-502e30b7e479@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2025 09:08:53 +0200 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Reply-To: mmel@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: PKGBASE Removes FreeBSD Base System Feature To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: <20250809062925.GN26557@mailx.dglawrence.com> <929543B2-633E-44B5-B6F6-F292CCEADAB3@freebsd.org> <20250809065247.GO26557@mailx.dglawrence.com> Content-Language: cs, en-US From: Michal Meloun In-Reply-To: <20250809065247.GO26557@mailx.dglawrence.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 8/9/2025 8:52 AM, David G Lawrence wrote: >> On 9 Aug 2025, at 07:29, David Greenman-Lawrence wrote: >>> >>> FWIW, I do have an opinion on this: I think that "pkg delete -af" is >>> a useful thing that should not destroy your base system. We should find >>> a way to make that work as it always has >> >> Today, it will destroy any kernel modules installed from packages, including those necessary for the display to work. It will destroy the ability for WiFi to work if you???re using wifibox. There are a lot of other things in ports that are essential to the system for some systems. > > We can fix that, too. ...but destroying kernel modules doesn't mean your > system doesn't work - it just means X11 won't work when you reboot - but then > it wouldn't anyway because you deleted X11. But, here's the thing: X11 didn't > work when you first installed the base system, either. And perhaps your > Wifi didn't work out of the box, either. So you have some work to do to > get back basic functionality - but you knew that when you did the > "pkg delete -af" in the first place. > > -DG I cannot but agree wholeheartedly.. The actual situation with pkg delete and pkgbase is (for me) simply absurd. kmod in the ports is a different problem – it shows the inability of FBSD developers to implement these things on their own, so this solution has some problems. And don't kill me, I fully understand that it's not possible , but that doesn't change the previous fact. Michal