From nobody Tue Aug 05 12:08:52 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4bxBzT576Dz64Nk9 for ; Tue, 05 Aug 2025 12:08:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R11" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4bxBzT4GvWz3vx5; Tue, 05 Aug 2025 12:08:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1754395733; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=EECbfVWqotSMcxwiIyZmh/xGrq6xiKRb0JcdDDP2NSM=; b=mLoXhxaUb34nf9xGcnKmyu8Ghx5NJj/LWTgRMipLvpResqWS18ONx1z9A4QJK5qzscb93i kWsODA9kdP/EA+3+7eW1L+CoALq4KppcteJLoOPEa3OeSdJ4p1GVDii/yoKduii4G2Te02 Y67FSalPN7Kve2Zh6E7eq5qUQV8iKIGcipmswHXU63yKBgMe3xyOv+CF4W3ArfEjbBjTIk 2g5mb662QwsU8y6r614Z97sIkqHfBcbnAQ9Vq6SD+wjNCqrQ4I8afVjhGCF7CAg9K70uHB c1/wzALmhz6yk7U/ZhgPgRdqG+jlkleCPr8GX1JcXZey7JU8vaFNMQBnlBmPqQ== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1754395733; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=EECbfVWqotSMcxwiIyZmh/xGrq6xiKRb0JcdDDP2NSM=; b=O/C8OL590JCsTRjucgnH3A0IzRE6JYsY9lBQ0+3f4ABvLo6Voi8nw5/LsPQq09DVMRKVct grvr5n1a2Z+v+xrtVPeseXzxN71RCoSVHRg/2LXuDHvFStm4DAAkKz9SoW7C8c1euhXL4B TA1tbgr0AQOzihC2YyXBGI26XWTcPonq4jX3lr37AmjOndbkWlcNBFM6xjIAQHbyXZEZAY WyZHGmWEHin0H5UXnMv+o3OaLZdpBfcXQd3AmtjvtOBbFx6L7B65fJiFcRay9m3ha96Y/A PBI6sIGh6bWHQKTG34NN3M6nezwGYUQk9EVI007PdxU4NzkcojCxBljN+g37Mw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1754395733; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=M7sQn6pMsRpq5FM75ntpezWSrlsHaHtJw0E5xa4mc095nOdz2Tn3XGtA7mLHsFtPZq2Hsp +AGHQZ3PcYBwgX1vrBkdoP60RIKmEMWfoyYSAvbdKKTh0bhHpSaAGkc3SBB9zSb4qhENcc PzKHwNa+4iijqa0dYFqfCl8NNMJZqFIJvVnZeXU6b9vkcW58WeUPn55wF4YePbG2/Tnu0P uJqxXgcBPL7rC9DVTrTZ//rpJGyD8dUHlHy8QDkrcoG/adwez7KzZWiyz7Zq1ydh8ZUtze qpLNcPK7X6kXnWF2MZnQz3tyw0EXV5Uf713/MKAJY2BJyAxCkH+Kt57gTCLxtw== Received: from ltc.des.dev (88-177-82-251.subs.proxad.net [88.177.82.251]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: des) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4bxBzT2y6vzv1F; Tue, 05 Aug 2025 12:08:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@freebsd.org) Received: by ltc.des.dev (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2EA11129BC; Tue, 05 Aug 2025 14:08:52 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Sulev-Madis Silber Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PKGBASE Removes FreeBSD Base System Feature In-Reply-To: (Sulev-Madis Silber's message of "Tue, 05 Aug 2025 14:16:13 +0300") References: <967353A4-1A54-46D6-9BB9-5E1A741DB789@ketas.si.pri.ee> <864ium6t31.fsf@ltc.des.dev> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2025 14:08:52 +0200 Message-ID: <86v7n255t7.fsf@ltc.des.dev> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sulev-Madis Silber writes: > pkg replaced old system just recently pkg replaced the old system 12 years ago. > i wonder how many people object on pkgbase when they find it coming > default and they find it less than ideal. kind of same feedback you > get from people who see backhoe driving next yard and suddently turns > out they are going to build a highrise there with all plans already > discussed and set years ago. We've been working on pkgbase for close to ten years. All the work has been done in public. There's been a wiki page since 2016. There have been conference talks (many of them livestreamed and / or later posted on YouTube), public code reviews, discussions on public mailing lists, progress updates in the quarterly reports, etc. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@FreeBSD.org