From nobody Sat Jul 09 23:59:27 2022 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 782621CF8152 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2022 23:59:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grembo@freebsd.org) Received: from mail.evolve.de (mail.evolve.de [213.239.217.29]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA512 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.evolve.de", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4LgRvr3bDcz3Ymx; Sat, 9 Jul 2022 23:59:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grembo@freebsd.org) Received: by mail.evolve.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id b650321d; Sat, 9 Jul 2022 23:59:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.evolve.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id f5b3f175 (TLSv1.3:AEAD-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256:NO); Sat, 9 Jul 2022 23:59:29 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: Accessibility in the FreeBSD installer and console From: Michael Gmelin In-Reply-To: <080B179E-359E-4796-BFC8-0AAC65089100@googlemail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2022 01:59:27 +0200 Cc: Hans Petter Selasky , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Message-Id: <788EF362-E06B-4BA9-BDDB-E550D35E21CB@freebsd.org> References: <080B179E-359E-4796-BFC8-0AAC65089100@googlemail.com> To: =?utf-8?Q?Klaus_K=C3=BCchemann?= X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (19E258) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4LgRvr3bDcz3Ymx X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=softfail (mx1.freebsd.org: 213.239.217.29 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of grembo@freebsd.org) smtp.mailfrom=grembo@freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.60 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[googlemail.com]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:213.239.192.0/18, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[grembo]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_SOFTFAIL(0.00)[~all:c]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N > On 9. Jul 2022, at 03:22, Klaus K=C3=BCchemann = wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF >> Am 07.07.2022 um 19:32 schrieb Hans Petter Selasky : >>=20 >> Hi, >>=20 >> The only argument I've heard from some non-sighted friends about not usin= g FreeBSD natively is that ooh, MacOSX is so cool. It starts speaking from t= he start if I press this and this key. =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. >=20 > Hi, >=20 > I would like to shortly introduce myself. > I am indispensable for all your friends and everybody else > and yes, I can speak (and I can even hear)- > I am the de facto standard for everything audio for Apple users and I even= can=20 > make users of other OSes very very happy. >=20 >>=20 >> Am 08.07.2022 um 12:53 schrieb Hans Petter Selasky : >> Hi, >> Here is the complete patch for Voice-Over in the FreeBSD console: >>=20 >> https://reviews.freebsd.org/D35754 >>=20 >> You need to install espeak from pkg and then install the /etc/devd/access= ibility.conf file and then run sysctl kern.vt.accessibility.enable=3D1 after= booting the new kernel. >>=20 >> It is freaking awesome! >>=20 >> There might be some bugs, but it worked fine for me! >>=20 >> =E2=80=94HPS >=20 > Congratulations !=20 >=20 > But while reading the docs of your system`s bluetooth drivers I became a b= it afraid=20 > that I won=E2=80=99t be fully supported , I hope this is unfounded. >=20 > It=E2=80=99s not only that I=E2=80=99m a shiny white culty thing .. > your friends can leave me in their ears and can simultaneously hear the su= rroundings AND the Audio output. > That=E2=80=99s why I=E2=80=99m indispensable=E2=80=A6 >=20 > Will you ensure that at least one bt-chip will support me in your system a= nd will you=20 > care for the corresponding drivers? >=20 > If yes I would be happy to meet you in your VT-console , >=20 > And when you later even support vice versa:=20 > -SpeechToText- , > It=E2=80=99s possible that we become friends for life . >=20 >=20 > Best Regards, > yours=20 >=20 > AirPodsPro :-)=20 But why would you ever leave your family that was designed from the ground u= p to match you and any need you could potentially have? And why would you no= t share any word your "owner" (the person who spent money on you, so they co= uld use you) says with your creator and all its connected systems and entiti= es, so that they could be fully analyzed and monetized? -m p.s. seriously, if you want the full Apple experience, you really should sta= y within their ecosystem. Trying to compete with that (with all its question= able implications in terms of digital sovereignty) is pointless, especially i= f you are neither broke nor care too much about privacy. If these things mea= n nothing to you, just buy the off the shelf solution and save the time that= tinkering with free alternatives (that will never be as smooth as "the real= thing") would require and spend it on things that mean something to you (fr= iends, family, charity).=