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RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: Y --Apple-Mail-21B2EC8B-C2DD-4250-80DC-A72AB9444BED Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sep 23, 2021, at 3:01 PM, Lucas Nali de Magalh=C3=A3es wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF >>> On Sep 22, 2021, at 5:38 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote= : >>>=20 >> TL;DR: this is not a proposal to deorbit csh from base!!! (=E2=80=A6) >=20 > I'm used to see FreeBSD remembered as a traditional OS full of professiona= lism > and open to innovation. The front door for the BSD world and an OS that do= esn't > copy Linux. But more and more I'm seeing that BSD will need a new front do= or > soon, that this OS is becoming more and more another Linux, that professio= nalism > is being left aside and that innovation is being undone and/or simply eras= ed. > I wish I were about to write that it's the first time in a lot of time tha= t I see a problem > being systematically recreated but this isn't true either. And I feel sad I= 'm being > getting used to this, too. >=20 > Mark Millard found that LLVM multi-threaded linker is buggy on Armv7 and r= eported > it in another thread. I commented on it, even. It wasn't mention in that t= hread that the > numbers there shows another problem recreated that must be solved again. T= he > processes there were killed *before* virtual memory started to being heavi= ly used. This > goes against the intended use of virtual memory. If virtual memory isn't u= sed it's lost > resource: a thing that must be removed from the system, optimized away. In= that > specific case, virtual memory should have entered into place, being fully f= illed and then > the process will be killed. And just to be complete, the non-debuggability= of LLVM were > a known problem of LLVM by the time of the discussions that lead to it's i= mport in the > tree. And, by mentioning problems needing solution, I received: Post to freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.org denied: Re: [HEADSUP] making /bin/sh the de= fault shell for root This used to not be a problem. I know of what followed were the truth and I'= ve no intention in changing my status about this. And this huge thread is about a cosmetic change. Fanta= stic! --=20 rollingbits =E2=80=94 =F0=9F=93=A7 rollingbits@icloud.com =F0=9F=93=A7 rolli= ngbits@gmail.com =F0=9F=93=A7 rollingbits@yahoo.com