svn commit: r279603 - in head: bin/rcp usr.bin/rlogin usr.bin/rsh

[George Neville-Neil]

On 5 Mar 2015, at 13:47, Garrett Cooper wrote:

> On Mar 5, 2015, at 10:21, Hans Ottevanger <hans at beastielabs.net> wrote:
>
>> On 03/05/15 13:21, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote:
>>> On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 02:48:29PM +0300, Gleb Smirnoff wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 10:01:45PM +0000, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
>>>> B> Author: bapt
>>>> B> Date: Wed Mar  4 22:01:44 2015
>>>> B> New Revision: 279603
>>>> B> URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/279603
>>>> B>
>>>> B> Log:
>>>> B>   r* commands are not precious anymore
>>>> B>
>>>> B> Modified:
>>>> B>   head/bin/rcp/Makefile
>>>> B>   head/usr.bin/rlogin/Makefile
>>>>
>>>> I guess when they are going to be not precious enough to be removed? :)
>>>>
>>>> In modern world of ssh and https, does any OS require them in base?
>>>
>>> yes.
>>> Some telecom equipment require rlogin.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> Considering that the r-commands are not particularly large and also not really a maintenance nightmare, a would just keep them. They are (still) more or less part of the standard Unix toolbox, as perceived by end-users, and you had better not make life too difficult for them. The same is true for telnet.
>>
>> I see these tools in use regularly, e.g. to control measurement equipment programmatically. Due to the price tag of those instruments, that won't change overnight. The usage is limited to a LAN however, nobody I know uses these tools over the public Internet anymore.
>>
>> As far as I know only OpenBSD got rid of these tools up to now. Most other Unix(-like) systems still have them.
>>
>> And if they absolutely have to go, what happens to the corresponding daemons in /usr/libexec (rshd and rlogind)?
>
> Why not just move them to ports so the people that need them can have them…?

OK, telnet, used by every single person who even configures a network switch.  It's in their muscle
memory and, for now, we should leave it in the base system.

The r* programs are less used though, as someone points out, from time to time used with telco equipment.
Let's do this by stages.  Move the r* stuff to a port/package and leave telnet alone for now.

I know of no network admin who ever touches nc.

Let's make sure we're providing for what people actually use day to day.

Best,
George
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