svn commit: r212867 - head/sys/kern

Ed Schouten ed at
Mon Sep 20 19:51:36 UTC 2010

* Bruce Evans <brde at> wrote:
> Er, my review explained how wrong this is.  Please back it out.

So basically you want to have it in its current form, with the only
difference that CLOCAL is not enforced for callout devices, but still
want callout devices to skip waiting for DCD? If so, I can change that
if you like.

About the default flags for serial devices. I really have no idea how to
sanely address the issue you're raising. Isn't it a good thing that
right now we initialize all termios structures similarly? It makes the
system far more predictive than pushing that logic into the driver.

Also, I don't think "breaking historical behaviour" should always be
considered a bug, which is often something you seem to imply.

Look, I am more than willing to get things improved in the TTY layer,
but please, just create a patch. In the same (probably even less) time
you've written your email, you could have simply crafted a patch and
sent it to me. That way it is practically impossible for us to
miscommunicate and it saves me a lot of time.

 Ed Schouten <ed at>
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