From lgj at usenix.org Mon Dec 3 11:41:48 2007 From: lgj at usenix.org (Lionel Garth Jones) Date: Mon Dec 3 11:42:05 2007 Subject: USENIX '08 Call For Papers Submissions Deadline: January 7, 2008 Message-ID: <475454D3.50605@usenix.org> --------------------------------------- Call for Papers 2008 USENIX Annual Technical Conference June 22-27, 2008, Boston, MA Paper Submissions Deadline: January 7, 2008, 11:59 p.m. PST http://www.usenix.org/usenix08/cfpb/ --------------------------------------- Dear Colleague, On behalf of the 2008 USENIX Annual Technical Conference program committee, we request your ideas, proposals, and papers for tutorials, refereed papers, and posters. Authors are invited to submit original and innovative papers to the Refereed Papers Track of the 2008 USENIX Annual Technical Conference. Papers can be either full papers of at most 14 pages or short papers of at most 6 pages. Authors are required to submit papers by 11:59 p.m. PST, Monday, January 7, 2008. 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To change your contact information, please visit: http://www.usenix.org/membership/ If you have any questions about the mailing list, please send email to office@usenix.org. We may also be reached via postal mail at: USENIX Association 2560 9th Street, Suite 215 Berkeley CA 94710 (510) 528-8649 From twickline at gmail.com Thu Dec 6 10:15:38 2007 From: twickline at gmail.com (Tom Wickline) Date: Thu Dec 6 10:15:42 2007 Subject: Wine compatibility and performance on FreeBSD 7 Message-ID: <53e3a9930712060959t6f446534xee6ba49d043dd70a@mail.gmail.com> Hello Everyone, I have a small blog about running Wine on Unix operating systems and over the last couple days I've been experimenting with Wine on FreeBSD 7 beta 2 (I see beta 4 is out, many thanks!) If anyone here is interested I ran Office 97 and 2000 out of the box on FreeBSD 7beta no registry files or special hacks needed. Ive also run a couple small applications (Qicktime 7.1.6) (IE 5 5.5 6) and then some benchmarks 3DMark 2000v1.1, 3DMark2001SE, GL Excess and PC Mark04. In the future ill see if I can get 3DMark 2003 and 3DMark 2005 to run and produce results as well. I don't know if any of you guys or gals are Gamers.... But just in case I also installed Halo in Wine and it runs about the same on FreeBSD as it does on Linux. With D3D, DDraw and OpenGL working most every game that is running in Wine should run on FreeBSD.. I don't know this as fact as I've only tried one Game and four Benchmarks, but it does look promising. More info can be found here: Wine-Review front Page: http://wine-review.blogspot.com/ Office 97/2000: http://wine-review.blogspot.com/2007/12/microsoft-office-2000-on-freebsd-7-with.html http://wine-review.blogspot.com/2007/12/office-97-on-freebsd-with-wine.html IE, QT etc.. http://wine-review.blogspot.com/2007/12/quicktime-716-on-freebsd-7-with-wine.html http://wine-review.blogspot.com/2007/12/ies-4-freebsd-internet-explorer-50-55.html Benchmark results & Halo: http://wine-review.blogspot.com/2007/12/benchmarking-wine-on-freebsd-7.html http:/http://wine-review.blogspot.com/2007/12/halo-combat-evolved-on-freebsd-with.html Oh yea, were seeking contributors... if your interested in Wine on FreeBSD and believe you can help us out see : http://wine-review.blogspot.com/2007/12/wine-review-is-currently-seeking.html Thanks for your time......... Cheers, Tom Wickline From twickline at gmail.com Mon Dec 10 20:44:56 2007 From: twickline at gmail.com (Tom Wickline) Date: Mon Dec 10 20:45:00 2007 Subject: Wine compatibility and performance on FreeBSD 7 In-Reply-To: <200712110441.VAA05322@lariat.net> References: <53e3a9930712060959t6f446534xee6ba49d043dd70a@mail.gmail.com> <200712110441.VAA05322@lariat.net> Message-ID: <53e3a9930712102044v768e794fq118e2fe3d6d2fa0d@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 10, 2007 11:41 PM, Brett Glass wrote: > It's worth noting that the WINE project, not long ago, abandoned > the BSD license for the GPL despite urging from many sources to keep > the code open and free for use by developers. We've stopped using it > as a result. > > --Brett Glass > Wins is under a free licence, its LGPL and I'm almost 100% sure you have no idea why the licence was changed! Tom From brett at lariat.net Mon Dec 10 21:00:32 2007 From: brett at lariat.net (Brett Glass) Date: Mon Dec 10 21:00:43 2007 Subject: Wine compatibility and performance on FreeBSD 7 In-Reply-To: <53e3a9930712060959t6f446534xee6ba49d043dd70a@mail.gmail.co m> References: <53e3a9930712060959t6f446534xee6ba49d043dd70a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200712110441.VAA05322@lariat.net> It's worth noting that the WINE project, not long ago, abandoned the BSD license for the GPL despite urging from many sources to keep the code open and free for use by developers. We've stopped using it as a result. --Brett Glass At 10:59 AM 12/6/2007, Tom Wickline wrote: >Oh yea, were seeking contributors... if your interested in Wine on >FreeBSD and believe you can >help us out see : >http://wine-review.blogspot.com/2007/12/wine-review-is-currently-seeking.html From tevans.uk at googlemail.com Tue Dec 11 02:10:20 2007 From: tevans.uk at googlemail.com (Tom Evans) Date: Tue Dec 11 02:10:23 2007 Subject: Wine compatibility and performance on FreeBSD 7 In-Reply-To: <53e3a9930712102044v768e794fq118e2fe3d6d2fa0d@mail.gmail.com> References: <53e3a9930712060959t6f446534xee6ba49d043dd70a@mail.gmail.com> <200712110441.VAA05322@lariat.net> <53e3a9930712102044v768e794fq118e2fe3d6d2fa0d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1197366373.1472.0.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2007-12-10 at 23:44 -0500, Tom Wickline wrote: > On Dec 10, 2007 11:41 PM, Brett Glass wrote: > > It's worth noting that the WINE project, not long ago, abandoned > > the BSD license for the GPL despite urging from many sources to keep > > the code open and free for use by developers. We've stopped using it > > as a result. > > > > --Brett Glass > > > > Wins is under a free licence, its LGPL and I'm almost 100% sure you > have no idea why > the licence was changed! > > Tom Depends upon your definition of free. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 187 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-user-groups/attachments/20071211/c92c4723/attachment.pgp From braulio at solsoft.co.cr Tue Dec 11 07:39:27 2007 From: braulio at solsoft.co.cr (Braulio =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Solano_Rojas?=) Date: Tue Dec 11 07:39:31 2007 Subject: Wine compatibility and performance on FreeBSD 7 In-Reply-To: <200712110441.VAA05322@lariat.net> References: <53e3a9930712060959t6f446534xee6ba49d043dd70a@mail.gmail.com> <200712110441.VAA05322@lariat.net> Message-ID: <1481.163.178.104.130.1197385733.squirrel@webmail9.pair.com> On Mon, 10 de Diciembre de 2007, 10:41 pm, Brett Glass wrote: > It's worth noting that the WINE project, not long ago, abandoned > the BSD license for the GPL despite urging from many sources to keep > the code open and free for use by developers. We've stopped using it > as a result. You can find the story of what happened in the Wikipedia. There is still this: http://www.cedega.com/rewind/, if you like better the X11 license. You still have *freedom* of choice. Regardless of the current license of Wine they have merit for what they have done. Any open source developer regardless of his "Creed" has merit in fact. ;-) > At 10:59 AM 12/6/2007, Tom Wickline wrote: > >>Oh yea, were seeking contributors... if your interested in Wine on >>FreeBSD and believe you can >>help us out see : >>http://wine-review.blogspot.com/2007/12/wine-review-is-currently-seeking.html From chuckr at chuckr.org Wed Dec 12 19:12:39 2007 From: chuckr at chuckr.org (Chuck Robey) Date: Wed Dec 12 19:12:43 2007 Subject: Wine compatibility and performance on FreeBSD 7 In-Reply-To: <53e3a9930712102044v768e794fq118e2fe3d6d2fa0d@mail.gmail.com> References: <53e3a9930712060959t6f446534xee6ba49d043dd70a@mail.gmail.com> <200712110441.VAA05322@lariat.net> <53e3a9930712102044v768e794fq118e2fe3d6d2fa0d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47609C43.6010304@chuckr.org> Tom Wickline wrote: > On Dec 10, 2007 11:41 PM, Brett Glass wrote: >> It's worth noting that the WINE project, not long ago, abandoned >> the BSD license for the GPL despite urging from many sources to keep >> the code open and free for use by developers. We've stopped using it >> as a result. >> >> --Brett Glass >> > > Wins is under a free licence, its LGPL and I'm almost 100% sure you > have no idea why > the licence was changed! > Anyone who has sat in on company conferences discussing what changes would be forced because of GPL or LPGL knows that only the BSD is free, not thje GPL. LRPL is closer, but the folks who call GPL free are either lying or ignorant. They want to force you to do things their way, but they don't want you to be able to call that coercion. > Tom > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From gastonlrey at yahoo.com.ar Sun Dec 16 08:07:04 2007 From: gastonlrey at yahoo.com.ar (Gaston Rey) Date: Sun Dec 16 08:07:10 2007 Subject: Question Message-ID: <163630.88727.qm@web50505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi all, I need to know how to migrate a HD from my actual Server to another recently made up. This HD has the base operating system and i want to move up it to the other server but surely it'll carry up a kernel panic error :s does Anybody know how to do it? Thanks in advance Gaston Rey Los referentes m?s importantes en compra/ venta de autos se juntaron: Demotores y Yahoo! Ahora comprar o vender tu auto es m?s f?cil. Vist? ar.autos.yahoo.com/ From jhs at berklix.org Sun Dec 16 09:00:51 2007 From: jhs at berklix.org (Julian H. Stacey) Date: Sun Dec 16 09:00:55 2007 Subject: Question In-Reply-To: <163630.88727.qm@web50505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <163630.88727.qm@web50505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200712161623.lBGGN7I3048588@fire.js.berklix.net> Gaston Rey wrote: > Hi all, > I need to know how to migrate a HD from my actual Server to another recently made up. This HD has the base operating system and i want to move up it to the other server but surely it'll carry up a kernel panic error :s > > does Anybody know how to do it? > > Thanks in advance > > > Gaston Rey Wrong list to ask on, try questions@freebsd.org -- Julian Stacey. Munich Computer Consultant, BSD Unix C Linux. http://berklix.com Ihr Rauch = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz. Dump cigs 4 snuff. From sdavtaker at gmail.com Sun Dec 23 14:46:16 2007 From: sdavtaker at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sd=E4vtaker?=) Date: Sun Dec 23 14:46:20 2007 Subject: How to start a BUG? Message-ID: <476EDEF0.70005@gmail.com> Hello. I am looking for some advice about starting a BUG. I didnt find a BUG here in Argentina in long time, only a pretty dead forum, so I gather with a couple of friends and we up to set it up. We're probably getting support from our university since they already got a LUG, so our path is pretty clear for the BUG setup burocracy (someone already fight half our battles setting up the LUG). Our plan is to influence the researchers and students to look a little more to *BSD and not just M$/Linux stuff like they do right now. Hope we could do that. I will appreciate any advice and help you can give me. Thanks in advance Sdav From jon at caamora.com.au Sun Dec 23 19:35:34 2007 From: jon at caamora.com.au (jonathan michaels) Date: Sun Dec 23 19:35:37 2007 Subject: How to start a BUG? In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3C476EDEF0=2E70005=40gmail=2Ecom=3E=3B_from_Sd=E4vtaker_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?on_Sun=2C_Dec_23=2C_2007_at_07=3A19=3A28PM_-0300?= References: <476EDEF0.70005@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20071224140417.28977@caamora.com.au> greetings from australia best wishes for teh coming new year, and i hope you your friends family have a happpy peaceful and holy christmas. On Sun, Dec 23, 2007 at 07:19:28PM -0300, Sd?vtaker wrote: > Hello. > I am looking for some advice about starting a BUG. > I didnt find a BUG here in Argentina in long time, only a pretty dead > forum, so I gather with a couple of friends and we up to set it up. > We're probably getting support from our university since they already > got a LUG, so our path is pretty clear for the BUG setup burocracy > (someone already fight half our battles setting up the LUG). > Our plan is to influence the researchers and students to look a little > more to *BSD and not just M$/Linux stuff like they do right now. > Hope we could do that. > I will appreciate any advice and help you can give me. > Thanks in advance > Sdav well there is not much to say, looks like you have got all that you need right there .. just a few things i would suggest from my few decades (grin), i set up a usergroup for tandy colour computers and os9 user in my local area sydney australia back in the 80's it lasted some 10 more years and then about 5 or 6 years ago i organised a few people and we started teh bugs (berekley unix user group, sydney) our main users come from freebsd and we have a few netbsd and one or two openbsd. we also have a mailing list and a website, details can be found on teh main freebsd.org site, in teh usergroup section. sorry fro teh bragging, oh and for teh poor spelling, i am disabled man, i have broken brain and wonky neurology that helps me make my spelling and typing unique a few things i learned along the way was to work with people not against people once you build a reputation for cohesive support people will come to you and you will build a good strong support network, i think the linux groups are starting to find this out. i have noticed this change over teh years that i have been watch. also do not make your organisational overhead too "bureaucratic" too top heavy, too legalistic. people don't like being "told" what to do, they will offer to help if there is a (well) defined structure that encourages this basic kind of behaviour. because linux is teh big brother it would be a good idea to hook up with a local linux group and see how they do things and for a while work with them, untill you have strong legs/shoulders and you can walk/work on your own as a group. but, after that still have close ties as people who have interests in both worlds will find it easy to work in a cohesive envoronment .. being combattive serves only to isolate people and keep people/groups territorial and very adverserial thus doomed to very slow growth . if any at all. the other side, that is having no structure, no defined bureaucracy and leaving the users do thier own "thing", well the bugs here in sydney is a good example of that .. it hasent progressed much beyond its starting structure some 6 years ago, in a lot of ways it has gone backwards even theough it has some 100-150 members on th mailing list, we are lucky to get 10 bodies at a group meeting, usually its more like 5 sometimes less. while it is a resource it is not a good "advertisement" for freebsd .. please note this is all my opinion, my own thoughts based on watching several usergroups, os9, ibmpc, ibm os/2, as well as a couple of not hardware mainly rather software related usergroups over my 30 some years of computer related activity. things could be better, for us in sydney, they will be when enough of teh userlist git organised abnd start to want something different, note that different is not better, it is just different .. it will offer different services, differnt resources differnt aspects of teh computing environment .. the computer world is so diverse it is not always possible to make a single usergroup offer 'everything', pick the things you want to do, it helps if you have people who are good in those choosen skills and want to 'serve' as tehy say. once you have a core just advertise, just advertise, and, they will come . people look for resources when they want/need them, it helps if tehy can find them easily .. if they feel comfortable welcome and have enough of there needs met they will beome teh best advertisment off all, nothing beats an enthusiastic, happy member of a club, usergroup. i am still enthusiastic about "my baby" even though it has yet to learn to walk to talk and get its socialisation skills .. but it is growning, oops growing i meant to say, er, write. as with all things it takes time and patience .. again best wishes for christmass and teh coming new year, hope you have much success with the bsd usergroup .. much success. hope, my ramblings help a bit .. most kind regards jonathan note, please excuse my poor typing .. it is mostly all caused by what is wrong with my brain and damaged neurological circuits, frontal cortx damage. take care. -- ================================================================ powered by .. QNX, OS9 and freeBSD -- http://caamora com au/operating system ==== === appropriate solution in an inappropriate world === ==== From dwchandler at stilyagin.com Thu Dec 27 06:47:59 2007 From: dwchandler at stilyagin.com (Darrin Chandler) Date: Thu Dec 27 06:48:01 2007 Subject: How to start a BUG? In-Reply-To: <476EDEF0.70005@gmail.com> References: <476EDEF0.70005@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20071227144756.GP29562@tuppy.intrepidhosting.net> On Sun, Dec 23, 2007 at 07:19:28PM -0300, Sd?vtaker wrote: > Hello. > I am looking for some advice about starting a BUG. > I didnt find a BUG here in Argentina in long time, only a pretty dead > forum, so I gather with a couple of friends and we up to set it up. > We're probably getting support from our university since they already > got a LUG, so our path is pretty clear for the BUG setup burocracy > (someone already fight half our battles setting up the LUG). > Our plan is to influence the researchers and students to look a little > more to *BSD and not just M$/Linux stuff like they do right now. > Hope we could do that. > I will appreciate any advice and help you can give me. > Thanks in advance > Sdav In addition to other advice you have received, consider talking to us at MetaBUG.org. Several of us can be found on freenode's irc network in the #metabug channel. Helping new and existing BUGs get started and share resources is exactly what we are trying to do. :) -- Darrin Chandler | Phoenix BSD User Group | MetaBUG dwchandler@stilyagin.com | http://phxbug.org/ | http://metabug.org/ http://www.stilyagin.com/ | Daemons in the Desert | Global BUG Federation From sdavtaker at gmail.com Thu Dec 27 16:26:54 2007 From: sdavtaker at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sd=E4vtaker?=) Date: Thu Dec 27 16:26:58 2007 Subject: How to start a BUG? In-Reply-To: <20071227144756.GP29562@tuppy.intrepidhosting.net> References: <476EDEF0.70005@gmail.com> <20071227144756.GP29562@tuppy.intrepidhosting.net> Message-ID: <477442C9.9030501@gmail.com> Hello, Im glad to announce University of Buenos Aires (Biggest Argentina's University) will support a BUG (our BUG). :-) Domain and list will start working next week. Thanks for all the help everyone. I will keep you up on news. See ya around. Sdavtaker