reason 23 why we've moved to linux

[Reko Turja]

-----Original Message----- 
From: Randy Bush

> in the hope that ports will be made usable before so many people give up
> that critical mass is lost.  a real tragedy if the great freebsd core
> dies because of ports lack of usability.

Interestingly, I've found the ports nowadays to be almost exact opposite of 
unusable, but then I don't use FreeBSD as a desktop, the boxes are in 
firewall, server etc. uses. Ports coupled with pkgng and portupgrade work 
just a treat on freshly built 10.0 system, nowadays one can run 
portupdate -rf <portname> and get the end result that's expected instead of 
building tons of stuff that isn't in any need of update.

Of course, there are warts, snags and bumps now and then, but based on what 
I've seen, I like where the project is heading. Unless in the future the 
only way to build ports is using Poudriere + Sun/Oracle "How to get the 
suck... errr, customer invest into tons of our very costly special memory" 
filesystem.

So so far I can say, keep up the good work, just keep in mind that even the 
small time users might want to keep ports buildable "by hand", instead of 
using one size fits all packages due lack of resources to run ZFS. Needless 
to say, nearly every port I use/run are heavily tweaked and meshed together.

-Reko