recommendations for laptop and desktop

[Adrian Chadd]

Hi,

If you'd like space on the freebsd wiki site, please create an account
and then email me (or grab me on IRC) to sort out access.

Non-developers can have access to the Wiki. I don't know why people
think it's developers only. :)



Adrian

On 14 July 2011 17:22, Ian Smith <smithi at nimnet.asn.au> wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Jul 2011, Rick Macklem wrote:
>  > Kevin Oberman wrote:
>  > > On Jul 13, 2011 7:31 AM, "Zoran Kolic" <zkolic at sbb.rs> wrote:
>  > > >
>  > > > > There is this list for laptops:
>  > > > > http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/
>  > > >
>  > > > Been there. Seen that. Obsolete.
>  > > > My very idea would be to have recent models in some kind
>  > > > of wiki. I believe that at least hundred guys on the list
>  > > > could post quality articles on the subject regarding lap-
>  > > > tops they regurarly use.
>  > > >
>  > > > > See the recent thread on the freebsd-mobile list with subject
>  > > > > "Laptop recommendations?"
>  > > >
>  > > > Mostly older stuff recommended. Hard to find or I dislike
>  > > > what I see on the review for particular model.
>  > > > Thank you for answering my question.
>  > > >
>  > > >                              Zoran
>  > >
>  > > I agree that a wiki would be ideal, but it would require active
>  > > management.
>  > > That's the real issue.
>  > >
>  > > It's also the reason wiki.FreeBSD.org would not be practical. I might
>  > > be
>  > > able to admin such a wiki, but I have no place to put it. But I'm
>  > > retired,
>  > > so I should have time.
>  > >
>  > I recently installed Fedora15 and I thought it had a fairly clever
>  > idea in it. At the end of the install (so presumably it had worked for
>  > the hardware), it asked you if you wanted to email your hardware config
>  > to them.
>
> I recall one Debian install doing something similar.  People seem to be
> forgetting about bsdstats (port sysutils/bsdstats, http://bsdstats.org/)
> which attempts to do something similar though it focuses more on FreeBSD
> versions, hardware lists via pciconf and optionally ports lists, posting
> stats monthly and anonymously .. a plus for security but perhaps a minus
> for being able to seek information from people having certain hardware.
>
> As seen at bsdstats.org, the very much greater number of PC-BSD systems
> reporting reflects the fact that PC-BSD installs bsdstats as a matter of
> course; clearly the voluntary approach is far less effective, and people
> don't know that bsdstats reveals no personally identifying information
> until they've looked it over; many likely don't even know it exists.
>
> Zoran's comments that http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/ is 'obsolete'
> are a bit misplaced regarding older kit that some of us use by choice or
> necessity (eg my 2.5 Thinkpad T23s :) but that site did get swamped with
> spam for ages, not all of which has been removed, and there's no way to
> group posts describing the same models in slightly different terms.
>
> Hard to get past the notion that someone needs to actively work on it,
> yet it needs to be largely self-maintained by its users independent of
> anyone's ongoing enthusiasm; difficult, perhaps contradictory criteria?
>
>  > Something that just captured such emails and put them in a list (especially
>  > if could catch duplicates) for people to look at might be nice. The list
>  > would get long (and not really indicate how well the hardware worked), but
>  > at least it would be up-to-date and not require manual maintenance.
>
> It could only be up to date initially, and just grow from there .. one
> advantage of the bsdstats approach is that only systems that continue
> reporting in monthly continue being reported.  One could argue about the
> various ways that database information is presented, but any skillful
> database programmer could do quite a lot with such anonymised data,
> particularly if there were some identification of hardware make/model,
> though that's not available in the environment of reporting programs.
>
>  > I'm not volunteering to do this;-) although I'm retired too, but it might
>  > be a useful thing to have? rick
>
> Me neither, me too, and yes indeed.  Just a few pent-up thoughts ..
>
> cheers, Ian
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