xorg 7.4 keyboard localisation (xorg.conf vs hal)

Mon Feb 2 11:39:58 PST 2009

On Mon, 2009-02-02 at 11:18 -0800, Joe Kelsey wrote:
> Robert Noland wrote:
> > On Sun, 2009-02-01 at 14:10 -0800, Joe Kelsey wrote:
> >   
> >> Sebastien Chassot wrote:
> >>     
> >>> On Sun, 2009-02-01 at 17:19 +0000, Daniel Bye wrote:
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >>>> On Sun, Feb 01, 2009 at 05:42:39PM +0100, Sebastien Chassot wrote:
> >>>>     
> >>>>         
> >>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I've upgrade to xorg7.4 and apparently keyboard and mouse are now
> >>>>> working with hald.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In xorg.conf changing "old" keybord config as no effect and I can't find
> >>>>> how change it with hal. I've got  /usr/local/etc/hal/fdi/* but no
> >>>>> *keymap* and I don't know how build such a file.
> >>>>>       
> >>>>>           
> >>>> This should get you started:
> >>>>
> >>>> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1"?>
> >>>> <deviceinfo version="0.2">
> >>>>   <device>
> >>>>     <match key="info.capabilities" contains="input.keyboard">
> >>>>       <merge key="input.xkb.layout" type="string">gb</merge>
> >>>>     </match>
> >>>>   </device>
> >>>> </deviceinfo>
> >>>>
> >>>> Change the `gb' in the example to your local keymap name, save the file
> >>>> as /usr/local/etc/hal/fdi/policy/x11-input.fdi and restart hald.
> >>>>     
> >>>>         
> >> This seems to have a way to enable HAL to detect a keyboard and export 
> >> it to X, but what about mice?  My Xorg log tells me that it is ignoring 
> >> my USB mouse in addition to ignoring my keyboard, so what sort of HAL 
> >> file do I add to enable it to find my mouse?
> >>     
> >
> > The above is only to set keyboard layout, everything to detect the
> > keyboard is already present.
> >
> >   
> >> Where in HAL documentation is this information found?  R. Noland seemed 
> >> to think it was a trivial process to make HAL do keyboards and mice?  In 
> >> fact it is not trivial but a pain in the ass!  If you intend to inflict 
> >> broken software on unsuspecting users you had better think through all 
> >> of the problems and come up with explicit solutions to all of those 
> >> problems so that everyone has a chance to make their systems work.
> >>     
> >
> > We (marcus and I) have gone to great pains to try and ensure that hal
> > behaves correctly in pretty much all mice configurations with or without
> > sysmouse.  If you don't want to use hal, set AutoAddDevices off and
> > configure away.
> >
> >   
> I did my best to follow ALL of the posted directions to absolutely NO AVAIL.
> 
> When I start Xorg, it explicitly tells me it is disabling all automatic 
> devices and refuses to use HAL or any other detectable methosd to find 
> the mouse and/or keyboard.
> 
> There is no documentation ANYWHERE about how HAL is supposed to help in 
> any of this.  There is no documentation ANYWHERE about what exaqctly the 
> new Xorg is supposed to do about it.  There is no documentation ANYWHERE 
> about the new, secret, hidden options that you can put in your xorg.conf 
> file to disable this whole HAL mess.

man xorg.conf search for Input...

> The only documentation available ANYWHERE is the skimpy little paragraph 
> that says, it works or it doesn't.  No explanation about why it works or 
> doesn't or how to determine exactly what might be wrong in your 
> configuration to make it work or not work.
> 
> I would not compalin if you actually documented what you are inflicting 
> on us rather than just say, here it is, good luck!  I understand how 
> difficult some of these port upgrades are, but you have to realize that 
> you have not provided ANY resources that anyone else can use to help 
> themselves figure out their issues.
> 
> I don't want to pay you with money I do not have from a job I do not 
> have.  You have to realize how many people may or may not have problems 
> due to your blithe posting of this complicated mess.  Either explain how 
> to use HAL properly to configure X resources or disable the capability.

Set Options "AutoAddDevices" "off" and you have to configure everything
like you used to.

robert.

> Thank you for all of your effort so far.  I really do appreciate it.
> 
> /Joe
> 
> >> There had better not be any more surprises waiting in the X 1.6 wings to 
> >> surprise and confound everyone again!
> >>     
> >
> > Are you going to stop paying me?  You have no idea how many combinations
> > of hardware and configurations for X  exist, or the amount of wok that
> > goes into making all of those combinations work.
> >
> > robert.
> >
> >   
> >>> I'll start with that
> >>>
> >>> Thank you
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sebastien
> >>>
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