From info at martenvijn.nl Sat Mar 8 20:18:50 2008 From: info at martenvijn.nl (Marten Vijn) Date: Sat Mar 8 20:18:54 2008 Subject: tinybsd qemu small howto In-Reply-To: <1195169880.3240.46.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> References: <1194819232.1047.19.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> <20071115013208.GA3497@kobe.laptop> <1195151049.3240.10.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> <20071115190615.GA2775@kobe.laptop> <1195169880.3240.46.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> Message-ID: <1205006382.1390.4.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 00:38 +0100, Marten Vijn wrote: > > >>> http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/TinyBSD > > >> This an old open todo to rewrite it as paper in the freebsd primer style I decided to not go for it. my reasons: - to much work - primer is to detailed to work with. Thanks for your time and help. kind regards, Marten -- Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl http://wifisoft.org http://opencommunitycamp.org From keramida at ceid.upatras.gr Sat Mar 8 20:40:26 2008 From: keramida at ceid.upatras.gr (Giorgos Keramidas) Date: Sat Mar 8 20:40:34 2008 Subject: tinybsd qemu small howto In-Reply-To: <1205006382.1390.4.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> References: <1194819232.1047.19.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> <20071115013208.GA3497@kobe.laptop> <1195151049.3240.10.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> <20071115190615.GA2775@kobe.laptop> <1195169880.3240.46.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> <1205006382.1390.4.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> Message-ID: <20080308202258.GB2331@kobe.laptop> On 2008-03-08 20:59, Marten Vijn wrote: > On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 00:38 +0100, Marten Vijn wrote: > > > > >>> http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/TinyBSD > > > >> > > This an old open todo to rewrite it as paper in the freebsd primer style > > I decided to not go for it. > > my reasons: > - to much work > - primer is to detailed to work with. > > Thanks for your time and help. That's ok. If you ever feel like writing an article-like thing about ``Building tiny BSD images'', you are most welcome. Reading the current Wiki page, I see that you definitely `have it', i.e. you don't have any particular problems in writing up clear, understandable, well-organized documentation :) From info at martenvijn.nl Sat Mar 8 21:17:02 2008 From: info at martenvijn.nl (Marten Vijn) Date: Sat Mar 8 21:17:06 2008 Subject: tinybsd qemu small howto In-Reply-To: <20080308202258.GB2331@kobe.laptop> References: <1194819232.1047.19.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> <20071115013208.GA3497@kobe.laptop> <1195151049.3240.10.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> <20071115190615.GA2775@kobe.laptop> <1195169880.3240.46.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> <1205006382.1390.4.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> <20080308202258.GB2331@kobe.laptop> Message-ID: <1205010983.1390.10.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> On Sat, 2008-03-08 at 22:22 +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2008-03-08 20:59, Marten Vijn wrote: > > On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 00:38 +0100, Marten Vijn wrote: > > > > > > >>> http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/TinyBSD > > > > >> > > > > This an old open todo to rewrite it as paper in the freebsd primer style > > > > I decided to not go for it. > > > > my reasons: > > - to much work > > - primer is to detailed to work with. > > > > Thanks for your time and help. > > That's ok. If you ever feel like writing an article-like thing about > ``Building tiny BSD images'', you are most welcome. +Marten :) > Reading the current > Wiki page, I see that you definitely `have it', i.e. you don't have any > particular problems in writing up clear, understandable, well-organized > documentation :) Thanks, It is primer that take me to much time to a. understand && b. keep in memeriory && c. use a WYSIWYG edit woudl help :( Kind regards, Marten > -- Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl http://wifisoft.org http://opencommunitycamp.org From jmelo at freebsdbrasil.com.br Sat Mar 8 21:23:39 2008 From: jmelo at freebsdbrasil.com.br (Jean Milanez Melo) Date: Sat Mar 8 21:23:45 2008 Subject: tinybsd qemu small howto In-Reply-To: <20080308202258.GB2331@kobe.laptop> References: <1194819232.1047.19.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> <20071115013208.GA3497@kobe.laptop> <1195151049.3240.10.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> <20071115190615.GA2775@kobe.laptop> <1195169880.3240.46.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> <1205006382.1390.4.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> <20080308202258.GB2331@kobe.laptop> Message-ID: <47D2FD93.5060801@freebsdbrasil.com.br> Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2008-03-08 20:59, Marten Vijn wrote: >> On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 00:38 +0100, Marten Vijn wrote: >> >>>>>>> http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/TinyBSD >> This an old open todo to rewrite it as paper in the freebsd primer style >> >> I decided to not go for it. >> >> my reasons: >> - to much work >> - primer is to detailed to work with. >> >> Thanks for your time and help. > > That's ok. If you ever feel like writing an article-like thing about > ``Building tiny BSD images'', you are most welcome. Reading the current > Wiki page, I see that you definitely `have it', i.e. you don't have any > particular problems in writing up clear, understandable, well-organized > documentation :) > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-small@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-small > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-small-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Hello, I already updated the tinybsd URL with the new features. Maybe it could be a good point to start. There are anyone avaliable to sgml it? The URL is: http://www.tinybsd.org/tinybsd/Documentation Feedbacks are welcome. -- Jean From keramida at freebsd.org Mon Mar 10 01:29:56 2008 From: keramida at freebsd.org (Giorgos Keramidas) Date: Mon Mar 10 01:30:05 2008 Subject: TinyBSD article for the doc/ tree [was: Re: tinybsd qemu small howto] In-Reply-To: <47D2FD93.5060801@freebsdbrasil.com.br> References: <1194819232.1047.19.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> <20071115013208.GA3497@kobe.laptop> <1195151049.3240.10.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> <20071115190615.GA2775@kobe.laptop> <1195169880.3240.46.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> <1205006382.1390.4.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> <20080308202258.GB2331@kobe.laptop> <47D2FD93.5060801@freebsdbrasil.com.br> Message-ID: <20080309235108.GA29312@kobe.laptop> On 2008-03-08 17:56, Jean Milanez Melo wrote: >Giorgos Keramidas wrote: >> [about] >> http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/TinyBSD >> >> That's ok. If you ever feel like writing an article-like thing >> about ``Building tiny BSD images'', you are most welcome. Reading >> the current Wiki page, I see that you definitely `have it', i.e. you >> don't have any particular problems in writing up clear, >> understandable, well-organized documentation :) > > Hello, > > I already updated the tinybsd URL with the new features. Maybe it > could be a good point to start. That looks good, indeed! > There are anyone avaliable to sgml it? That would be me. > The URL is: > > http://www.tinybsd.org/tinybsd/Documentation An SGML article, with most of the text being just an adaptation of the tinybsd/Documentation wiki page is now online at: http://people.freebsd.org/~keramida/tinybsd-20080310-01/article.sgml A preformatted version of the article is available in the same directory. You can read it at: http://people.freebsd.org/~keramida/tinybsd-20080310-01/article.html Can you please review the article? It would be interesting to know: - If there are technical errors in what I wrote. My first TinyBSD build is running as I'm typing this, so I don't really count as an experienced TinyBSD user. - If there is something else you would like me to add. - If there are parts you don't like about the text, sections that we should rewrite, fix, and so on. There are also a few parts which I haven't completely converted yet, and some places where I have questions about MFSROOT images and config file changes. I'll experiment a bit with the TinyBSD image I'm building now, but if you can help me fill in the last few sections, it would be nice :) You can see how I'm considering to organize the remaining sections by reading the SGML comments in the `article.sgml' file. From jmelo at freebsdbrasil.com.br Mon Mar 10 15:45:13 2008 From: jmelo at freebsdbrasil.com.br (Jean Milanez Melo) Date: Mon Mar 10 15:45:20 2008 Subject: TinyBSD article for the doc/ tree [was: Re: tinybsd qemu small howto] In-Reply-To: <20080309235108.GA29312@kobe.laptop> References: <1194819232.1047.19.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> <20071115013208.GA3497@kobe.laptop> <1195151049.3240.10.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> <20071115190615.GA2775@kobe.laptop> <1195169880.3240.46.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> <1205006382.1390.4.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> <20080308202258.GB2331@kobe.laptop> <47D2FD93.5060801@freebsdbrasil.com.br> <20080309235108.GA29312@kobe.laptop> Message-ID: <47D55781.4050308@freebsdbrasil.com.br> Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > An SGML article, with most of the text being just an adaptation of the > tinybsd/Documentation wiki page is now online at: > > http://people.freebsd.org/~keramida/tinybsd-20080310-01/article.sgml > > A preformatted version of the article is available in the same directory. > You can read it at: > > http://people.freebsd.org/~keramida/tinybsd-20080310-01/article.html > That's great Giorgos! Thanks for your help. :) > Can you please review the article? It would be interesting to know: > > - If there are technical errors in what I wrote. My first TinyBSD > build is running as I'm typing this, so I don't really count as > an experienced TinyBSD user. There are no errors, everything is ok. > > - If there is something else you would like me to add. > The article is very objective and i think that is what we want to. Congratz! :) > - If there are parts you don't like about the text, sections that > we should rewrite, fix, and so on. No, that's ok, very good as i said, please just change only my mail address to jmelo@freebsd.org. > > There are also a few parts which I haven't completely converted yet, and > some places where I have questions about MFSROOT images and config file > changes. I'll experiment a bit with the TinyBSD image I'm building now, > but if you can help me fill in the last few sections, it would be nice :) > Oks, what are your questions about MFSROOT and config files? About the last sections i'll organize what i wrote and will send it to you by private mail. > You can see how I'm considering to organize the remaining sections by > reading the SGML comments in the `article.sgml' file. > I have a sugestion: what do you think about create a new handbook session called "embedded" and add both nanobsd and tinybsd article? i think it could be better. Cheers, -- Jean From keramida at ceid.upatras.gr Mon Mar 10 21:12:16 2008 From: keramida at ceid.upatras.gr (Giorgos Keramidas) Date: Mon Mar 10 21:12:23 2008 Subject: TinyBSD article for the doc/ tree [was: Re: tinybsd qemu small howto] In-Reply-To: <47D55781.4050308@freebsdbrasil.com.br> References: <1194819232.1047.19.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> <20071115013208.GA3497@kobe.laptop> <1195151049.3240.10.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> <20071115190615.GA2775@kobe.laptop> <1195169880.3240.46.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> <1205006382.1390.4.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> <20080308202258.GB2331@kobe.laptop> <47D2FD93.5060801@freebsdbrasil.com.br> <20080309235108.GA29312@kobe.laptop> <47D55781.4050308@freebsdbrasil.com.br> Message-ID: <20080310211158.GB1838@kobe.laptop> On 2008-03-10 12:45, Jean Milanez Melo wrote: >Giorgos Keramidas wrote: >> An SGML article, with most of the text being just an adaptation of the >> tinybsd/Documentation wiki page is now online at: >> >> http://people.freebsd.org/~keramida/tinybsd-20080310-01/article.sgml >> >> A preformatted version of the article is available in the same directory. >> You can read it at: >> >> http://people.freebsd.org/~keramida/tinybsd-20080310-01/article.html > > That's great Giorgos! Thanks for your help. :) Neat. >> - If there are parts you don't like about the text, sections that >> we should rewrite, fix, and so on. > > No, that's ok, very good as i said, please just change only my mail > address to jmelo@freebsd.org. Done, and a new copy uploaded (in place). >> There are also a few parts which I haven't completely converted yet, and >> some places where I have questions about MFSROOT images and config file >> changes. I'll experiment a bit with the TinyBSD image I'm building now, >> but if you can help me fill in the last few sections, it would be nice :) > > Oks, what are your questions about MFSROOT and config files? If one is using an MFSROOT image, config changes have to be saved on disk, right? What is the preferred way of doing this in TinyBSD images? My intuition would be to search for /dev/da0 partitions, mount them as read-write, edit the configuration, and unmount. Does that sound ok? > About the last sections i'll organize what i wrote and will send it to > you by private mail. Excellent! I'll wait for the new text :) > I have a sugestion: what do you think about create a new handbook > session called "embedded" and add both nanobsd and tinybsd article? i > think it could be better. That's a worthy goal. When we finish writing up the TinyBSD text and polishing any final details, it will be a good idea to work with Daniel (who wrote about NanoBSD) and add a Handbook chapter called `Embedded FreeBSD'. There's a lot of interest in embedding FreeBSD these days, so my guess is people are going to love reading about it :) From jmelo at freebsdbrasil.com.br Tue Mar 11 18:05:54 2008 From: jmelo at freebsdbrasil.com.br (Jean Milanez Melo) Date: Tue Mar 11 18:06:01 2008 Subject: TinyBSD article for the doc/ tree [was: Re: tinybsd qemu small howto] In-Reply-To: <20080310211158.GB1838@kobe.laptop> References: <1194819232.1047.19.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> <20071115013208.GA3497@kobe.laptop> <1195151049.3240.10.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> <20071115190615.GA2775@kobe.laptop> <1195169880.3240.46.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> <1205006382.1390.4.camel@workstation.martenvijn.nl> <20080308202258.GB2331@kobe.laptop> <47D2FD93.5060801@freebsdbrasil.com.br> <20080309235108.GA29312@kobe.laptop> <47D55781.4050308@freebsdbrasil.com.br> <20080310211158.GB1838@kobe.laptop> Message-ID: <47D6C9FA.7030505@freebsdbrasil.com.br> Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > If one is using an MFSROOT image, config changes have to be saved on > disk, right? What is the preferred way of doing this in TinyBSD images? It's a problem yet, at moment the users can't save the changes when they are using MFSROOT. I hope i can fix it soon... > > My intuition would be to search for /dev/da0 partitions, mount them as > read-write, edit the configuration, and unmount. Does that sound ok? Yes, it's a could thing to do. > >> About the last sections i'll organize what i wrote and will send it to >> you by private mail. > > Excellent! I'll wait for the new text :) oks. :) > >> I have a sugestion: what do you think about create a new handbook >> session called "embedded" and add both nanobsd and tinybsd article? i >> think it could be better. > > That's a worthy goal. When we finish writing up the TinyBSD text and > polishing any final details, it will be a good idea to work with Daniel > (who wrote about NanoBSD) and add a Handbook chapter called `Embedded > FreeBSD'. There's a lot of interest in embedding FreeBSD these days, so > my guess is people are going to love reading about it :) > Is great hear it from you. Thanks :) -- Jean From received at postcard.org Wed Mar 12 16:16:05 2008 From: received at postcard.org (received@postcard.org) Date: Wed Mar 12 16:16:33 2008 Subject: You have just received a virtual postcard from a friend ! Message-ID: <200803121616.m2CGG2O8055440@StarGate.SharkTech.net> You have just received a virtual postcard from a friend ! . You can pick up your postcard at the following web address: . [1]http://dozer.apid.com/~jcapp/postcard.gif.exe . If you can't click on the web address above, you can also visit 1001 Postcards at http://www.postcards.org/postcards/ and enter your pickup code, which is: d21-sea-sunset . (Your postcard will be available for 60 days.) . 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