Okay, once more, regardless of the merits, etc. At what version do I need to freeze to avoid vt and what xwindows must be frozen / rolledback to 1) keep vttys in text mode using cons25 2) allow switching between xwindows and vttys and vice versa -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266