FreeBSD is really great.. BUT..

[Friedrich Locke]

Hi,

*BSD is by far superior to any linux distro you may ever think. Of course
BSD has their problems too. For instance: the installation process of
FreeBSD is to complex, OpenBSD is too simple (try to install both and you
will see what i mean).

I have used FreeBSD and now i am with OpenBSD, but due to questions related
to performance, i am having to face FreeBSD again. But only because
performance.

[] fried


On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 8:15 AM, Johan Hendriks <joh.hendriks at gmail.com>wrote:

> Martin Braun schreef:
>
>> FreeBSD is really great.. BUT..
>>
>> I stopped using FreeBSD when it was about 5.x or something because I found
>> I spend more time compiling than I did managing our server room. I went
>> with Debian (and the beloved apt-get tool) and I never looked back.
>>
>> Then I needed to test different containers out so I tested Linux-VServer,
>> Xen, UML, and other stuff, and naturally I had to test FreeBSD Jails. I
>> decided to use ezjail and I noticed that FreeBSD has gotten some new
>> really
>> cool tools and jails combined with ZFS are incredible.
>>
>> So pkg_add is gone and now there is the new and improved pkg and together
>> with "freebsd-update" it is possible to keep a system upgraded at all
>> times
>> using ONLY binary packages, which are great!
>>
>> The whole point of the ports system is as stated on the OpenBSD FAQ:
>>
>>      "The end result of the porting effort are ready-to-install binary
>> packages."
>>
>> So great.. yes?
>>
>> NO!
>>
>> Why not?
>>
>> Because still the FreeBSD ports team doesn't agree with that notion from
>> the OpenBSD FAQ about packages.
>>
> Well it is not said that OpenBSD is right and that there way is the only
> way. If you want there policy, use OpenBSD. If it does not cut it, then you
> need another solution.
> If Linux does not have jails, and you want them then you need FreeBSD with
> there package/ports system. If you do not want to compile stuff then there
> is almost no choice then to go back to Linux and use apt get. It is a
> choice you will need to make.
> FreeBSD does have some great features like poudriere which will create
>
>
>> The binary packages on FreeBSD are compiled with so few options available
>> that you end up compiling the whole bunch from source anyway!
>>
>> A simple setup on a mailserver with Postfix, Dovecot, MySQL, and a couple
>> of other packages doesn't work using the binary packages because they are
>> NOT compiled to fit together!
>>
> Well i use postfix, dovecot and postgreSQL, And another person does not
> use a database at all  and so on. So to please them all we need a postfix,
> dovecot version that has support for all databases!   But what about sasl
> support, some want dovecot sasl and other courier sasl.  I think the power
> off FreeBSD lies in the ports system. I do not want a postfix version with
> all options for all databases compiled in that I do not use. The package
> system gives you the option to install and use basic versions of the
> software, if you want other options then you need to compile the ports.
> If you are using a larger set of servers, then start using poudriere. It
> will generate packages for you that you can redistribute across servers.
> Here is a nice howto .
> http://www.bsdnow.tv/tutorials/poudriere
> It will give you fine controlled packages ready to pkg add at any time.
>
> It does not take that long to compile most off the stuff. And to be
> honest, sometimes I also would like the pkg add option and be done with it.
> But with the few servers we are running, I can live with the compile time
> it takes to update the services. And when i find time I am going to setup a
> poudriere system to give me the packages I want.
>
>
>
>> Now.. what the "¤"%"#!"!¤ is the point then!? Why don't we just forget
>> about binary packages in FreeBSD and make everyone compile?
>>
>> There's no point in making those pre-made binary packages ready for usage
>> when they are only freaking compiled to run alone without any kind of
>> usage
>> what so ever!
>>
>> Now.. was this post an "acid reflux"? Ooh.. yeah!
>>
>> Sorry, but I really think it's a shame.
>>
>> Some don't trust binary packages from FreeBSD and some just like to tweak
>> -
>> GREAT!
>>
>> But others just like to get some work done.. rather than compiling..
>> compiling.. compiling..!
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