Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD?

[Jurgen Debo]

Hello Jerry

2011/6/19 Jerry <jerry at seibercom.net>

> On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 15:50:44 +0200
> Jurgen Debo articulated:
>
> > The fact Microsoft did buy Skype, does worry me too.
> > The Skype protocol is a closed protocol.  SIP is an open standard.
>
> Open or closed makes no relative difference to me or the majority of
> users as has been demonstrated numerous time with various software
> titles. The bottom line is does it work and what is the learning curve
> of the product. It has been demonstrated numerous times that the
> majority of end users do not want to invest large amounts of time
> trying to get an application configured and up and running. With the
> exception of the hobbyist, that is virtually always true.
>
>
Open source software is not related to the comfort to configure or install
software.
It depends how the software is written.


> > And about Microsoft ?  Almost EVERYTHING in hands of Microsoft
> > turns to a disaster or something which does compromise security,
> > privacy or whatever.  They can't make a secured OS, their servers
> > are nothing compared to BSD servers, their hypervisors are sh.t as
> > their messenger took ICQ from the market.  And the last one
> > did piss me off, because in the old days, I got nice dates with
> > academic people with ICQ.  But Messenger killed this all.
>
> I am not sure about this ICQ rant. I never was much for IMs anyway. My
> favorite was Trillian though.


Trillian is not a messenger service.  It is software to run different
accounts
on messenger services.  Same can be done with opensource Jitsi.
As Trillion does not support SIP.


> I have not used it in several years
> though. I am still not sure about your rant regarding "messenger vs
> ICQ". ICQ is certainly still in use; I just checked.
>

It is, but most users did quit. Because the common user is lazy and does use
the Microsoft Messenger.  In this messenger there is no search function etc.


>
> I have been in various environment and I been exposed to both Linux and
> Microsoft servers. I cannot say with any certainty that BSD servers
> were employed however. In any case, I have never personally experienced
> any appreciable difference. That, of course, is my own personal
> observation. The quality of the server is usually, at least in my own
> experience, directly related to the personnel who are responsible for
> its configuration and maintenance.
>

If You want to be hacked in no time, trust me, do run Microsoft servers.
And if You are not hacked, it is, You did have luck or You are not running
important websites.


>
> > My opinion, when I can get away from Microsoft, I do it.
> > This company is a complete failure, and I don't belief they will
> > persist to even exist in a decade due to their policies.
>
> Please define "failure". When you control virtually 90% of the PC
> market, I fail to see how you can call that a failure. They released
> Kinect in advance of *.nix forcing others to play catch-up. To control
> any theater of operations you must get ahead of the curve.
>

The PC market is NOT the server market.  When people do buy a PC they got
Microsoft software for free.  As related to the security of the OS, you need
to
study the articles on the internet.  I have no time to explain the
difference between
Unix and Microsoft OS. You can read this on the internet.


> While hobbyists love anything not Microsoft, in the medical profession,
> legal profession, etcetera, Microsoft rules. There are highly
> specialized software written for their operating system that simply
> does not exist anywhere else. When it comes to Office Suites, there is
> nothing even remotely close to what Office 10 offers, no matter what
> flavor you prefer. OO tried for over ten years and never even produced
> an Office-97 clone that was anywhere as fully functional as the
> prototype. I have seen grown men and women reduced to tears trying to
> get OO to accomplish what MS Office could easily do. Again, this is not
> a criticism but a simple statement of fact. Before anyone can seriously
> make an attempt to dethrone Microsoft, they have to produce an Office
> Suite that is as fully functional as and compatible with existing MS
> Office products. That is just not going to happen in the foreseeable
> future.
>

To run programs, it is just fun.  But if You would trace all outgoing
connections
from Your workstations to the internet, if You have no concerns about
security, privacy
and so on, then I can understand Your vision.


>
> I think this tidbit is rather interesting:
>
> The German Foreign Office first started using Linux as a server
> platform in 2001 before making Linux and open source software their
> default desktop choice in 2005. Most observers thought the move a
> success. However, the government will now transition back to Windows
> XP, to be followed by Windows 7, also dropping OpenOffice and
> Thunderbird in favor of MS Office and Outlook.
>

And Russia did recommend recently their citizens to switch to Linux.
Btw from decades, the best hackers were Russians.

If you want Your company to expose everything to the public, to breach
security and
privacy, yes, run Microsoft software.

When I do buy software, I do not want, software does communicate to the
outside.

If You have insight inside the software of Microsoft, You would see, there
is always
a backdoor which is not closed, which is used to send information to the
internet.
Those backdoors are exploited by hackers to enter into the OS.


> Until open-source proponents stop blaming Microsoft for their problems
> and rather focus on making better and easier to use applications the
> demise of Microsoft is certainly not in sight. Alas, it is easier to
> blame than to correct so I do not see the status quo ante changing
> anytime soon.
>

Blaming Microsoft.  Who does write closed protocols ?  Microsoft.  Who does
refuse
to deliver properly software which does connect seamless with the Unix
environment ?
Who does refuse to open the DirectX library of games etc.

Microsoft is a commercial entity and they have no interest in open software.
At the contrary
they want to create a closed box.  And even when programmers do put
Microsoft on the court,
they do change a little bit of their policies, their software, but next
year, be sure, they found another
way to breach security, privacy, whatever.


>
> > With Microsoft there is ALWAYS a catch.
>
> The same can be said of any OS. For instance, with FreeBSD one catch is
> that there are virtually no drivers for "N" class wireless devices even
> though said devices have been available for over 5 years. That is not a
> knock but rather a fact. There is ALWAYS a catch no matter what OS you
> are referring to.
>

FreeBSD can be compiled from Source.  You can read all code.
You can't do this with Microsoft OS.

FreeBSD is an operating system, from day one, multitask, multiuser and build
in view of security,
etc.  All Microsoft OS is build from a perspective of single use, single
process, afterwards they
did try to fix all those things.  But in the process, they made a monster
which does run, but full
of security holes.

I have running servers on the internet for 16 years.  I did start with
Microsoft IIS, in one week it was
hacked.  Afterwards I did try again a few times, always hacked.  With
FreeBSD servers, Your server
does run, pretty safe. Especially when You do jail services. The only place
for a Microsoft server,
is inside a LAN, behind a good firewall.  But even then, You got problems,
because the server
communicates to the outside, like a fish wife.

Anyway.  This thread is about SIP.  And I have no time to discuss the
Microsoft failure.  There
is enough information on the internet.


>
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