kline at thought.org
Wed Oct 13 03:20:19 UTC 2010
New issues below...
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 01:43:26AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Oct 2010 16:30:02 -0700, Gary Kline <kline at thought.org> wrote:
> > The guy who set up my KVM/mouse deal thinks I would be better
> > off just having a service do my hosting; I am close to agreeing.
> It it possible that you recently had mail problems? When fetchmail'ing
> today's bunch of messages, I got the error message that thought.org
> did not resolve... but seems to work again now.
Right. For some reason my server has seemed to die without
notice. I'm pretty sure it is operator error, :-) ... things
seem stable for the past few hours. --One thing is that I have
been rebooting or deliberately crashing/rebooting when there was
no other way. Be nice if ctl-alt-delete still worked....
> > Clearly, the Beklin model I have only supports USB keybd+mouse.
> > They sell another that does USB and PS/2, but I didn't think of
> > that gotcha.
> The problem might be related to USB handling on FreeBSD, I think.
> >From your reports I see that there are no keyboard problems when
> switching from / to the FreeBSD box, but the mouse doesn't fully
> work. Did you get X working in the meantime?
Switching around by the buttons [say from my new desktop to the
server] is not a problem. The mouse only works in certain rare
cases. Sometimes the mouse shakes violently and jumps around.
I tried the "poll" string, but it died after a few moments, so I
sh moused stop. And the server was okay.
I have gotten
to present the trio of twm screens. Usually the keyboard is
dead and the mouse cursor is frozen. The times I _have_ gotten
the mouse to act smoothly [in console mode], when I do a
`startx', someimes I can type into the center xterm [twm], but
there is no mouse cursor.
I just looked at the handbook "2.10.10 Mouse Settings" I am
running 7.2 on the server, not that old, but the text does not
match what I see on my sysinstall screen.
// cut and paste
This option will allow you to cut and paste text in the console and
user programs with a 3-button mouse. If using a 2-button mouse,
refer to manual page, moused(8), after installation for details on
emulating the 3-button style. This example depicts a non-USB mouse
configuration (such as a PS/2 or COM port mouse):
User Confirmation Requested
Does this system have a PS/2, serial, or bus mouse?
[ Yes ] No
Select [ Yes ] for a PS/2, serial or bus mouse, or [ No ] for a USB
mouse and press Enter.
Figure 2-42. Select Mouse Protocol Type
[[ GRAPHIC ]]
I mouse down to the Post-install section of the sysinstall menu.
I do not see anything like the
"User Confirmation Requested, [[etc]]"
that lets me select Yes or No. *This may be what has been
causing the trouble. What I _do_ see is just the graph that
begins, "You can cut and paste text... ." etc. Nowhere do I
see an option to select the USB protocol; it is only the PS/2
> > The kernel is set for PS/2 mice and evidently sticks them on
> > /dev/sysmouse.
> Yes - if one is present. At least X can be set to use sysmouse as
> pointer device, but it is not a symlink to either a USB or PS/2
> mouse. Currently, I'm using a Sun USB mouse, and there is
> crw------- 1 root wheel 0, 10 Oct 13 01:31 /dev/sysmouse
> as well as
> crw-r--r-- 1 root operator 0, 122 Oct 13 01:31 /dev/ums0
> If this does survive a KVM switch-over, all is fine.
p0 19:51 Server <ethic>  ll sysmouse
0 crw------- 1 root wheel 0, 11 Oct 12 17:12 sysmouse
0 crw-r--r-- 1 root operator 0, 44 Oct 12 17:12 ums0
So, both devices are there. Just that when I set the mouse to
the latter, /dev/ums0, the kernel sees it always as busy. A
poster to our -stable lists thought it might be hald bug, so I
commented out that in /etc/rc.conf. BZZZT. It's back:)
> > Thru the sysinstall script, I see a mouse active
> > in not-X11 but in console-mode. And the /device for that tweak
> > is missing from the /dev table.
> I read that as follows: The sysinstall program initializes a mouse
> and provides a cursor in text mode, means: mouse DOES WORK in text
> mode, but not in X.
> This is part 1 of the solution. You can now check what happens when
> you switch off / to the FreeBSD box - to see if the mouse does still
> work in text mode.
> Part 2 would be to review X settings.
> > I *can* get some mouse pointer working in one of at least two
> > ways. AS plain /dev/sysinstall, the mouse pointer jumps all
> > over the screen untill I sh-exec /etc/rc.d/mouse with the "poll"
> > arg. Having a pointer in console mode tells me that at least
> > FreeBSD does know the mouse is there, but I am out of ideas.
> I think it is X (again, ah...) having problems here.
> > Nutshell:: whatever, nothing mouse works in X11. That was the
> > whole point of this exercise.
> Then you might be able to solve the problem when you check the
> configuration file for X (or its absence, but then, the presence
> of HAL and DBUS services).
Will you please check out this posting:
The way that the mose config worked as to turn off the
moused_enable, to moused_enable="NO". Didn't seem to do
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