From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Mon Jun 1 00:03:26 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Mon Jun 1 00:03:32 2009 Subject: What's wrong with this picture? In-Reply-To: <1243809390.6672.17.camel@ubuntu> References: <20090530160540.C5BCD106575F@hub.freebsd.org> <20090531142921.B65025@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <1243809390.6672.17.camel@ubuntu> Message-ID: > passed muster from any reasonable moderator (aye, but there's the rub: > who gets to define 'reasonable'?). > > The phrase "You're fast to agree with our resident M$ troll when he > argues against government control of anything, even of protecting the > population from a 'free' market that's happy to profit by poisoning > people in body or mind" stands in stark contrast to your exhortation > that he "focus [his] energies on things you do know something about". > > I'm against moderation, for the simple reason that people who want to be > moderators will bring their baggage to their efforts (like your > "corporations kill the environment and are protected by the 'free' > market" stuff, or my "government is the problem, full stop: Caedite Eos" > stuff). That is to say, anyone who wants to be a moderator ought to be > disqualified from doing so (that goes for anyone who wants to control so you like to moderate me, being against moderation From roberthuff at rcn.com Mon Jun 1 00:11:05 2009 From: roberthuff at rcn.com (Robert Huff) Date: Mon Jun 1 00:11:12 2009 Subject: changing tab stops In-Reply-To: <20090531222531.GA21537@saltmine.radix.net> References: <18978.56856.705030.492797@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20090531222531.GA21537@saltmine.radix.net> Message-ID: <18979.7307.657951.468037@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Thomas Dickey writes: > > I have a C program that writes to a terminal (currently xterm, > > but could be anything). For reasons I won't go into, I would like > > to read and change the terminal's tab stops ... from within the > > program ... in a generic/portable way. > > You could make a program which does what "resize" does to find the > screensize: it moves the cursor and asks where it is. (I'm not > aware of an existing program which asks based on tab stops). Ugh. If that's the alternative, I can probably live without. Thanks for the suggestion. Robert Huff From glen.j.barber at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 00:23:07 2009 From: glen.j.barber at gmail.com (Glen Barber) Date: Mon Jun 1 00:23:13 2009 Subject: What's wrong with this picture? In-Reply-To: <1243809390.6672.17.camel@ubuntu> References: <20090530160540.C5BCD106575F@hub.freebsd.org> <20090531142921.B65025@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <1243809390.6672.17.camel@ubuntu> Message-ID: <4ad871310905311723l784fc210ra0640b5ed1e9f65c@mail.gmail.com> Please take this to chat@, because this is getting really old. -- Glen Barber http://www.dev-urandom.com/ From kline at thought.org Mon Jun 1 01:06:11 2009 From: kline at thought.org (Gary Kline) Date: Mon Jun 1 01:06:18 2009 Subject: is there a macro that prints the incoming param list? Message-ID: <20090601010602.GA9692@thought.org> is there any marco that printfs the incoming list, or am i asking too much of the compiler at runtime? example: main (int argc, char *argv) with this macro might print: "2", "testinput" and baz(char *file, int count) similarly might print, "testinput", "47" i'm probably asking the impossible, but this is certainly the place to ask. thanks, gary ps: i'm looking to create a DEBUG header. -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 4.91a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From till.plewe at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 01:23:02 2009 From: till.plewe at gmail.com (till plewe) Date: Mon Jun 1 01:23:09 2009 Subject: is there a macro that prints the incoming param list? In-Reply-To: <20090601010602.GA9692@thought.org> References: <20090601010602.GA9692@thought.org> Message-ID: <8be8566f0905311823y7871c5a3q1b8d57a4d9f520c@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Gary Kline wrote: > > is there any marco that printfs the incoming list, or am i asking too much of the > compiler at runtime? > > example: > > main (int argc, char *argv) > > with this macro might print: > > "2", "testinput" > > and baz(char *file, int count) > > similarly might print, > > "testinput", "47" > > i'm probably asking the impossible, but this is certainly the place to > ask. > > thanks, > > gary > > > ps: i'm looking to create a DEBUG header. > > > > -- > Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix > http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org > The 4.91a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > How is the macro supposed to know how to print the arguments? There may be user defined types. The simplest way would be to add a printf statement after each function definition. You could write scripts which generate the format strings for you from your header files and then use a (variadic) macro which expects that you have generated a table which contains for each function name the corresponding format string and argument list. From kline at thought.org Mon Jun 1 01:47:08 2009 From: kline at thought.org (Gary Kline) Date: Mon Jun 1 01:47:14 2009 Subject: is there a macro that prints the incoming param list? In-Reply-To: <8be8566f0905311823y7871c5a3q1b8d57a4d9f520c@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090601010602.GA9692@thought.org> <8be8566f0905311823y7871c5a3q1b8d57a4d9f520c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090601014702.GB9839@thought.org> On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 10:23:01AM +0900, till plewe wrote: > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Gary Kline wrote: > > > > is there any marco that printfs the incoming list, or am i asking too much of the > > compiler at runtime? > > > > example: > > > > main (int argc, char *argv) > > > > with this macro might print: > > > > "2", "testinput" > > > > and baz(char *file, int count) > > > > similarly might print, > > > > "testinput", "47" > > > > i'm probably asking the impossible, but this is certainly the place to > > ask. > > > > thanks, > > > > gary > > > > > > ps: i'm looking to create a DEBUG header. > > > > > > > > -- > > Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix > > http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org > > The 4.91a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > How is the macro supposed to know how to print the arguments? > There may be user defined types. > > The simplest way would be to add a printf statement after each > function definition. yeah, this is what i've done by hand. printfs at first, then gdb last. > > You could write scripts which generate the format strings for you from > your header files and then use a (variadic) macro which expects that you have > generated a table which contains for each function name the corresponding > format string and argument list. a script might work, thanks for the idea. but it's enought to have been reminded of the gcc macros . -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 4.91a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From pkelectronics at mail.com Mon Jun 1 01:53:46 2009 From: pkelectronics at mail.com (Ivan Fortuny (Sales Manager)) Date: Mon Jun 1 01:53:54 2009 Subject: Buy Apple Ipod , Iphone etc.... 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For Further Enquiries Interested buyers should contact us via email listed below: Contact Person: Ivan Fortuny (Sales Manager) PK Electronics Limited (UK) Email: phonesltd009@gmail.com Email: phonesltd0009@yahoo.com From freebsd at edvax.de Mon Jun 1 02:02:32 2009 From: freebsd at edvax.de (Polytropon) Date: Mon Jun 1 02:02:39 2009 Subject: Text attribute differences of syscons and xterm Message-ID: <20090601040223.42f76711.freebsd@edvax.de> I'd like to ask the following question: Can the syscons driver be configured in a way that certain screen attributes are displayed in the same way? Read: It is possible to use the underline attribute in text mode? For example, when I call "man man" in an xterm, the effect is this, black on white: SYNOPSIS man [-adfhkotw] [-m arch[:machine]] ^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^^^^ bold font underlined It is the same when using grey on black color settings, like the text mode console does. On the "real" text mode console, the display is different, grey on black: SYNOPSIS man [-adfhkotw] [-m arch[:machine]] ^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^^^^ white (not grey) inverted Which file / setting does control how text is displayed when attributed with some "emphasize" (bold / invert / underline)? I think it has something to do with the capabilities of the attached "terminal driver", e. g. a terminal that can do underline uses underline if requested, one which can't uses invert instead. But how can I tell (e. g. through a C program, maybe using ncurses) that text should be underlined? Inverted is no problem (change color pair)... At least according to "man curs_attr", there are several attributes that can be set. I've made a simple testing program (attached, I hope) which does, when run in an xterm, exactly what is intended (almost): colors are chosen like at the text mode console (grey on black), and both bold and underlining do work, inverse too. Blinking doesn't. At the text mode console, blink works, inverse too, but underlining does not (no effect). Is there any possible way to get underlining in the "real" text mode? -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From vilanova_rodrigo at hotmail.com Mon Jun 1 02:26:09 2009 From: vilanova_rodrigo at hotmail.com (Rodrigo Vilanova) Date: Mon Jun 1 02:26:18 2009 Subject: kernel compile problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Chris, Tks for help. My source was incomplete. My bad! best regards,Cabelyn > From: utisoft@googlemail.com > Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 20:32:46 +0100 > To: vilanova_rodrigo@hotmail.com > CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: kernel compile problem > > 2009/5/31 Rodrigo Vilanova : >> >> Hi there, >> >> >> I want to use FreeBSD 7.2 as a simple firewall and VPN at home. I?ve a >> dedicated computer to this. >> >> >> I?m trying to compile my FreeBSD 7.2 Kernel on my computer and I having >> the following problem: >> >> >> [...] >> >> /usr/src/sys/modules/svr4/../../compat/svr4/svr4_stat.c: In function 'svr4_sys_systeminfo':/usr/src/sys/modules/svr4/../../compat/svr4/svr4_stat.c:461: error: 'hostid' undeclared (first use in this function)/usr/src/sys/modules/svr4/../../compat/svr4/svr4_stat.c:461: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once/usr/src/sys/modules/svr4/../../compat/svr4/svr4_stat.c:461: error: for each function it appears in.)*** Error code 1 >> Stop in /usr/src/sys/modules/svr4.*** Error code 1 >> Stop in /usr/src/sys/modules.*** Error code 1 >> Stop in /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/FW.*** Error code 1 >> Stop in /usr/src.*** Error code 1 >> Stop in /usr/src. >> >> >> >> >> >> How can I solve this problem, please? >> >> >> >> >> I attached these files: >> >> >> >> compile.tar >> >> >> FW -> kernel config file >> >> >> dmesg.boot >> >> >> compiler.end - it is the exit from "make buidkernel KERNCONF=FW" >> >> >> >> best regards, >> >> Cabelyn >> > > Before anyone reads your config file, are you sure the sources are > complete? Can you build GENERIC? > > Chris > > > > -- > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > A: Top-posting. > Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail?. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd1_052009 From luvbeastie at larseighner.com Mon Jun 1 02:53:24 2009 From: luvbeastie at larseighner.com (Lars Eighner) Date: Mon Jun 1 02:53:31 2009 Subject: Text attribute differences of syscons and xterm In-Reply-To: <20090601040223.42f76711.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20090601040223.42f76711.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: <20090531214947.G44077@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> On Mon, 1 Jun 2009, Polytropon wrote: > I'd like to ask the following question: Can the syscons driver > be configured in a way that certain screen attributes are > displayed in the same way? Read: It is possible to use the > underline attribute in text mode? If your video card and monitor combination supports underlining this might be worth pursuing. Many VGA-compatible cards do not, and text-mode underlining has not been common for a long time. See man 4 screen for the ansi codes to see if you can get your combination of video card and monitor to display underscores at all. More than likely you will never get past this step because the odds are your hardware doesn't have this ability. If you can get ANSI underscores in text mode, the termcap code for underline overstrikes is ul. Perhaps you can devise a termcap that more accurately describes the capabilities of your monitor/video card combination. By all means, backup your original termcap before trying this. -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 From admin at cpcnw.co.uk Mon Jun 1 07:42:36 2009 From: admin at cpcnw.co.uk (Graham Bentley) Date: Mon Jun 1 07:42:43 2009 Subject: UK Currency Symbol in 7.2 Console References: <20090530160540.E9D361065762@hub.freebsd.org><0690E2A8B16B4C0C8D9A734F1FF0A232@main> <20090601011658.6a9d892c.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: <30B9DACB49314DECA37A609793D6C0A7@main> > keymap="german.iso" > keyrate="fast" > font8x14="iso-8x14" > font8x16="iso-8x16" > font8x8="iso-8x8" PT ~ I tried your settings above in /etc/rc.conf Still no pound signs Im afraid - just a beep :( From admin at cpcnw.co.uk Mon Jun 1 07:59:15 2009 From: admin at cpcnw.co.uk (Graham Bentley) Date: Mon Jun 1 07:59:22 2009 Subject: UK Currency Symbol in 7.2 Console References: <20090530160540.E9D361065762@hub.freebsd.org> <0690E2A8B16B4C0C8D9A734F1FF0A232@main> <20090531234629.GA60723@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> Message-ID: > keymap="uk.cp850" Same here! > For reporting bugs: send-pr(1). > This isn't a bug though, as my UK keyboard works fine on 7.2-RC2 Lets see thats 1 out 3 of us so far that this doesnt work for - so ... thats not a bug? > Your problem can probably be fixed by: > # vidcontrol -f 8x16 /usr/share/syscons/fonts/cp850-8x16.fnt > # kbdcontrol -l /usr/share/syscons/keymaps/uk.cp850.kbd Thanks for the reply Frank, but sadly the above makes no difference at all - I still get a beep, not a pound sign :( From m.seaman at infracaninophile.co.uk Mon Jun 1 08:03:47 2009 From: m.seaman at infracaninophile.co.uk (Matthew Seaman) Date: Mon Jun 1 08:03:54 2009 Subject: migrating berkeley DBs (4.3 to 4.6) In-Reply-To: <4A2284D6.2080304@locolomo.org> References: <4A2284D6.2080304@locolomo.org> Message-ID: <4A238B4D.9050801@infracaninophile.co.uk> Erik Norgaard wrote: > I have cyrus-imapd 2.3 with Berkeley DB 4.3 and openldap also compiled > with BDB 4.3. > > Now, openldap won't build with 4.3 and defaults to 4.6 so I need to > migrate my data, and I would like to migrate my cyrus-imapd also to a > newer version of BDB. > > Are there any tools or tricks for doing this? > > The BDB v4.4 port refers to a compatibility page maintained at > sleepycat, but this is now redirected to Oracle and I find no such > information. Any page listing the db file compatibility? Yes -- I believe BDB 4.3 and 4.6 aren't binary compatible it seems. For the special case of cyrus-imapd you should use cvt_cyrusdb(8) to dump out the contents of cyrus DB files to ascii, update everything, and then use cvt_cyrusdb to reload the data. As I recall, the real biggie for this is maintaining the 'seen' state. I think just about anything else can be rebuilt from the mailbox data itself by running a reconstruct. However, on a large mailspool reconstruct will take a while, so dump'n'reload would be preferable. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. Flat 3 7 Priory Courtyard PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW, UK -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(#0 versus #1) What does #Number actually mean: is this the same as -pNumber used in the mails from @daily root freebsd-update cron "The following files will be updated as part of updating to X.Y-RELEASE-pNumber" If not, what is the difference ? what's the difference between version, level, patchlevel, 'release level', 'version level of a release' (any others ?), ... From freebsd-questions at pp.dyndns.biz Mon Jun 1 08:55:49 2009 From: freebsd-questions at pp.dyndns.biz (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Morgan_Wesstr=F6m?=) Date: Mon Jun 1 08:55:56 2009 Subject: vmstat questions Message-ID: <4A238FD1.1010708@pp.dyndns.biz> Hi. This is my "vmstat -i" from my newly installed 7.2-RELEASE-amd64: # vmstat -i interrupt total rate irq4: sio0 1105 0 irq17: em1 uhci1+ 10921807 182 irq19: uhci3++ 8196905 136 cpu0: timer 117164643 1956 irq256: em0 7346687 122 irq257: re0 166625 2 cpu1: timer 117164471 1956 Total 260962243 4358 For a long time I've tried to find out what the + and ++ means. Can anyone shed some light on that? Also, where did my atapcis on irq19 go? I'm pretty sure I had them listed there in 7.0-RELEASE. dmesg snip: uhci3: port 0xd480-0xd49f irq 19 at device 29.1 on pci0 atapci2: port 0xe880-0xe887,0xe800-0xe803,0xe480-0xe487,0xe400-0xe403,0xe080-0xe08f,0xe000-0xe00f irq 19 at device 31.2 on pci0 atapci3: port 0xd080-0xd087,0xd000-0xd003,0xcc00-0xcc07,0xc880-0xc883,0xc800-0xc80f,0xc480-0xc48f irq 19 at device 31.5 on pci0 Regards Morgan From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Mon Jun 1 09:06:16 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Mon Jun 1 09:06:22 2009 Subject: is there a macro that prints the incoming param list? In-Reply-To: <20090601010602.GA9692@thought.org> References: <20090601010602.GA9692@thought.org> Message-ID: > is there any marco that printfs the incoming list, or am i asking too much of the > compiler at runtime? > what a problem to do int a; for (a=0;a example: > > main (int argc, char *argv) > > with this macro might print: > > "2", "testinput" > > and baz(char *file, int count) > > similarly might print, > > "testinput", "47" > > i'm probably asking the impossible, but this is certainly the place to > ask. > > thanks, > > gary > > > ps: i'm looking to create a DEBUG header. > > > > -- > Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix > http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org > The 4.91a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Mon Jun 1 09:08:16 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Mon Jun 1 09:08:23 2009 Subject: Text attribute differences of syscons and xterm In-Reply-To: <20090531214947.G44077@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> References: <20090601040223.42f76711.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090531214947.G44077@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> Message-ID: > If your video card and monitor combination supports underlining this > might be worth pursuing. Many VGA-compatible cards do not, and text-mode hmm. my knowledge of VGA programming is from 386 times, but i remember it to be a standard - underline or ability to display another 256 characters - selectable. From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Mon Jun 1 09:09:00 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Mon Jun 1 09:09:08 2009 Subject: freebsd version numbers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > I upgraded to Freebsd systems from 7.0 to 7.2 > on the first one, done May 25th, I use the generic kernel > $ uname -a reports: 7.2-RELEASE #0 > > on the second one, done 3 days later (May 28th) > on this system I also build and installed a custom kernel after upgrade. > $ uname -a reports: 7.2-RELEASE #1 every time you do config and make depend;make it bumps that number by one From m.seaman at infracaninophile.co.uk Mon Jun 1 09:34:15 2009 From: m.seaman at infracaninophile.co.uk (Matthew Seaman) Date: Mon Jun 1 09:34:22 2009 Subject: freebsd version numbers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A23A07F.5030809@infracaninophile.co.uk> Pieter Donche wrote: > I upgraded to Freebsd systems from 7.0 to 7.2 > on the first one, done May 25th, I use the generic kernel > $ uname -a reports: 7.2-RELEASE #0 > > on the second one, done 3 days later (May 28th) > on this system I also build and installed a custom kernel after upgrade. > $ uname -a reports: 7.2-RELEASE #1 > > Why is this different? (#0 versus #1) > > What does #Number actually mean: is this the same as -pNumber used in > the mails from @daily root freebsd-update cron > "The following files will be updated as part of updating to > X.Y-RELEASE-pNumber" No, it's nothing like that. It's a count of the number of times a kernel has been built from a particular source tree. Unless you're doing active kernel development it doesn't mean anything much. > If not, what is the difference ? > > what's the difference between version, level, patchlevel, 'release > level', 'version level of a release' (any others ?), ... See http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/current-stable.html which explains quite a lot of that sort of thing. Effectively there are releases made at approximately regular intervals of about 4 months. These have names like '7.2-RELEASE'. When significant problems or security holes are discovered, patches will be produced for any supported releases. These have names like '7.1-RELEASE-p5' where the p-number is just a counter showing how many patches there have been since the actual release. There may be several major versions with releases being made from them -- e.g. 6.4-RELEASE and 7.1-RELEASE came out pretty much simultaneously. The next release due is 8.0-RELEASE, but there will be 7.3-RELEASE sometime after that. There's a new major version approximately every 18 months, from which there will typically be 4 or 5 minor version releases). In addition to the releases there are two types of development streams that you can track: at the moment that's 8.0-CURRENT also known as HEAD (the bleeding edge which is not at all suitable for beginners, nor would any sensible person run anything important on it) and then the various STABLE streams such as 7.2-STABLE a.k.a RELENG_7 (STABLE here is a comment on the runtime characteristics of the OS, not on the rate of change of the code base -- these are active development branches). Around the time a release is made, the STABLE streams change name to eg. 7.3-PRERELEASE and possibly a few others, but it's all from the same CVS branch. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. Flat 3 7 Priory Courtyard PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW, UK -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 259 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/attachments/20090601/e7907f8e/signature.pgp From der at btsig.ru Mon Jun 1 09:44:14 2009 From: der at btsig.ru (=?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CC=C5=CB=D3=C1=CE=C4=D2_=E4=C5=D2=C5=D7=D1=CE=CB=CF?=) Date: Mon Jun 1 09:44:23 2009 Subject: Strange text from kernel then detaching USB drive: "sldoosstf sd/e v irceemo" Message-ID: <4A239BC2.7050606@rusig.ru> Hello all ! I got a very confusing messages from kernel then detaching one of my USB external HD (used only for backups): May 29 12:40:08 perforce kernel: GEOM_LABEL: Label ufs/Backup5 removed. May 29 12:40:08 perforce kernel: GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider da0s1 is ufs/Backup5. May 29 12:40:08 perforce kernel: GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider da0s1 is msdosfs/ . May 29 12:40:32 perforce kernel: umass0: at uhub3 port 1 (addr 2) disconnected May 29 12:40:32 perforce kernel: (da0:uGmEaOsMs_-LsAiBmE0L::0 :La0b:e0l) :m sldoosstf sd/e v irceemo May 29 12:40:32 perforce kernel: v(edda.0: May 29 12:40:32 perforce kernel: umGaEsOsM-_sLiAmBE0L::0 :L0a:b0e)l: ruefmso/vBiancgk udpe5v irceem oevnetdr.y May 29 12:40:32 perforce kernel: May 29 12:40:32 perforce kernel: umass0: detached I don't understand messages between "umass0: at uhub3 port 1 (addr 2) disconnected" and "umass0: detached". What does it mean? Best Regards, Alexander Derevyanko. From rj45 at slacknet.com Mon Jun 1 09:55:37 2009 From: rj45 at slacknet.com (RJ45) Date: Mon Jun 1 09:55:43 2009 Subject: problem on a MX sendmail machine Message-ID: hello I have a FreeBSD machine FreeBSD infngw.infn.it 7.0-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD being a MX record with high loads. I often ahve this message on logs right before the machien locks up. any hints ? thank you swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 482607, size: 61440 swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 469743, size: 61440 swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 468639, size: 61440 swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 500495, size: 61440 swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 487647, size: 61440 swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 478575, size: 61440 swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 510111, size: 61440 swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 490815, size: 61440 swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 522943, size: 61440 swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 513311, size: 61440 swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 519727, size: 61440 From elegoff at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 10:18:59 2009 From: elegoff at gmail.com (Eric Le Goff) Date: Mon Jun 1 10:19:07 2009 Subject: gnat gpl 2009 Message-ID: I noticed that AdaCore has delivered?2009 Edition [http://libre.adacore.com/libre/tools/gnat-gpl-edition/] of its GNAT GPL toolset. Will the port lang/gnat reflect this update ? Should I stick to gnat gpl 2006 which is the latest I found in my ports tree ? or go for any of the lang/gnat-gcc* ports ? The x86-linux version is downloadable from : [http://libre2.adacore.com/dynamic/view/gnat-gpl-2009-43-i686-gnu-linux-libc2.3-bin.tar.gz?version=2009&config=x86-linux&filename=gnat-gpl-2009-43-i686-gnu-linux-libc2.3-bin.tar.gz] But I would need a step by step instruction from for how to set it up in my FreeBSD 7.2 (i386) box Thanks for your help -- Eric Le Goff From ertr1013 at student.uu.se Mon Jun 1 10:54:28 2009 From: ertr1013 at student.uu.se (Erik Trulsson) Date: Mon Jun 1 10:54:35 2009 Subject: UK Currency Symbol in 7.2 Console In-Reply-To: References: <20090530160540.E9D361065762@hub.freebsd.org> <0690E2A8B16B4C0C8D9A734F1FF0A232@main> <20090531234629.GA60723@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090601105310.GA13688@owl.midgard.homeip.net> On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 08:28:51AM +0100, Graham Bentley wrote: > > keymap="uk.cp850" > Same here! > > > For reporting bugs: send-pr(1). > > This isn't a bug though, as my UK keyboard works fine on 7.2-RC2 > > Lets see thats 1 out 3 of us so far that this doesnt work for > - so ... thats not a bug? > > > Your problem can probably be fixed by: > > # vidcontrol -f 8x16 /usr/share/syscons/fonts/cp850-8x16.fnt > > # kbdcontrol -l /usr/share/syscons/keymaps/uk.cp850.kbd > > Thanks for the reply Frank, but sadly the above makes no > difference at all - I still get a beep, not a pound sign :( >From within which program? It is quite possible that is the program you are using which refuses to accept characters outside standard ASCII. You probably have to set the LC_CTYPE or LC_ALL environment variable to something suitable to make programs accept such characters. (I know it makes a difference for some shells at least.) Using the correct *.fnt or *.kbd files just tell the system which key should generate a character and what it should look like if displayed, not which characters are to be considered printable or not. -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From admin at cpcnw.co.uk Mon Jun 1 11:06:24 2009 From: admin at cpcnw.co.uk (Graham Bentley) Date: Mon Jun 1 11:07:06 2009 Subject: UK Currency Symbol in 7.2 Console References: <20090530160540.E9D361065762@hub.freebsd.org> <0690E2A8B16B4C0C8D9A734F1FF0A232@main> <20090531234629.GA60723@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> <20090601105310.GA13688@owl.midgard.homeip.net> Message-ID: > From within which program? No program, just the standard shell CLI installed by doing a minimal install. > You probably have to set the LC_CTYPE or LC_ALL > environment variable to something suitable to make programs > accept such characters. How to do this? Also, I dont understand why? In 7.1 I do a minimal install and it just works how its always done in previous versions. From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Mon Jun 1 11:12:52 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Mon Jun 1 11:12:59 2009 Subject: problem on a MX sendmail machine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: assuming you don't run out of swap, it looks like kernel bug or disk I/O problems. On Mon, 1 Jun 2009, RJ45 wrote: > > hello I have a FreeBSD machine > > FreeBSD infngw.infn.it 7.0-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD > > being a MX record with high loads. > I often ahve this message on logs right before the machien locks up. > any hints ? > thank you > > swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 482607, size: 61440 > swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 469743, size: 61440 > swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 468639, size: 61440 > swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 500495, size: 61440 > swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 487647, size: 61440 > swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 478575, size: 61440 > swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 510111, size: 61440 > swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 490815, size: 61440 > swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 522943, size: 61440 > swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 513311, size: 61440 > swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 519727, size: 61440 > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Mon Jun 1 11:15:01 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Mon Jun 1 11:15:08 2009 Subject: gnat gpl 2009 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > Will the port lang/gnat reflect this update ? > > Should I stick to gnat gpl 2006 which is the latest I found in my ports tree ? > or go for any of the lang/gnat-gcc* ports ? the best solution is to write a port for v2009 (use v2006 port as base), use what is better for you, and do sent-pr to port maintainers so that port will be included :) From mroshi11 at hotmail.com Mon Jun 1 03:52:55 2009 From: mroshi11 at hotmail.com (Mike's Hotmail Account) Date: Mon Jun 1 11:17:03 2009 Subject: hello Message-ID: I am trying to install freebsd on my m-2625u gateway laptop but am running into trouble. whe I try to start x all I get is a black screen. I would try to configure the xorg file but I have no idea what my screen specs are. I know these questions are dumb but im kind of new to bsd. From martinbadie at yahoo.com Mon Jun 1 09:03:12 2009 From: martinbadie at yahoo.com (Martin Badie) Date: Mon Jun 1 11:26:35 2009 Subject: a binary package update Message-ID: <726041.18476.qm@web59916.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hi, How can I update a pre-compiled package for example I have a package-1.0.tbz and I have downloaded package-2.0.tbz. What I want is to update a installed 1.0 package to 2.0 without internet connection. I have portupgrade-2.4.6_2,2 installed on my system. Regards. From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Mon Jun 1 11:26:52 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Mon Jun 1 11:27:01 2009 Subject: hello In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > I am trying to install freebsd on my m-2625u gateway laptop but am running into trouble. whe I try to start x all I get is a black screen. X -configure and look if it works fine (no crash etc). It will generate xorg.conf file in current directory. move it to /etc/X11 and try to edit something Xorg tries to autoconfigure things but it may not always work From nealhogan at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 11:36:56 2009 From: nealhogan at gmail.com (Neal Hogan) Date: Mon Jun 1 11:37:03 2009 Subject: hello In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> I am trying to install freebsd on my m-2625u ?gateway laptop but am >> running into trouble. whe ?I try to start x all I get is a black screen. > > X -configure > > and look if it works fine (no crash etc). > > It will generate ?xorg.conf file in current directory. move it to /etc/X11 > and try to edit something > > Xorg tries to autoconfigure things but it may not always work if auto-config fails, check out the xrandr pkg/port to get some screen specs. Have you looked at the output of 'dmesg' (or /var/run/dmesg.boot)? It will give you detailed hardware info. Also, I suggest posting that info on this list as well. Perhaps someone has the same hardware as you and can suggest something specific to it. -Neal > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From sonicy at otenet.gr Mon Jun 1 11:46:46 2009 From: sonicy at otenet.gr (Manolis Kiagias) Date: Mon Jun 1 11:46:54 2009 Subject: X configuration (was: Re: hello) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A23BFA3.7030407@otenet.gr> Mike's Hotmail Account wrote: > I am trying to install freebsd on my m-2625u gateway laptop but am running into trouble. whe I try to start x all I get is a black screen. I would try to configure the xorg file but I have no idea what my screen specs are. I know these questions are dumb but im kind of new to bsd. > Please read the relevant Handbook section, 5.4.2: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/x-config.html To start a desktop like Gnome or KDE you will have to install the relevant packages and create an .xinitrc file. Please see section 5.7: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/x11-wm.html and also the FreeBSD web pages. For example, for Gnome see here: http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/ From bruce at cran.org.uk Mon Jun 1 12:28:19 2009 From: bruce at cran.org.uk (Bruce Cran) Date: Mon Jun 1 12:28:26 2009 Subject: how to i designate the current function...? In-Reply-To: References: <20090531223136.GA9212@thought.org> Message-ID: <20090601132812.12d93819@gluon.draftnet> On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 00:53:39 +0200 Ond?ej Majerech wrote: > On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 00:31:40 +0200, Gary Kline > wrote: > > > I'm not sure this is std yet, but think it is available in > > gcc. If I'm calling funtion bar(char *, char) with one of the args > > incorrect, is there a way to have gcc name bar() in an > > error message? > > > > Are you looking for the __FUNCTION__ macro? > > void baz( char yes_no ) { > if ( yes_no == 'Y' || yes_no == 'N' ) { > // Do stuff... > } else { > printf( "%s: %s\n", __FUNCTION__, "I got an invalid arg" ); > } > } > > AFAIK, this isn't standard C, but well supported on GCC. __FUNCTION__ is commonly supported, but has never been standardised; C99 defines __func__ instead. See http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Function-Names.html for details. -- Bruce Cran From darkpenguin at yandex.ru Mon Jun 1 13:39:52 2009 From: darkpenguin at yandex.ru (Valery A. Carpenter) Date: Mon Jun 1 13:41:13 2009 Subject: Strange text from kernel then detaching USB drive: "sldoosstf sd/e v irceemo" In-Reply-To: <4A239BC2.7050606@rusig.ru> References: <4A239BC2.7050606@rusig.ru> Message-ID: <1237342436.9232.12.camel@eddie.socket.lc> On Mon, 2009-06-01 at 13:13 +0400, ????????? ????????? wrote: > Hello all ! > > I got a very confusing messages from kernel then detaching one of my USB > external HD (used only for backups): > > > May 29 12:40:08 perforce kernel: GEOM_LABEL: Label ufs/Backup5 removed. > May 29 12:40:08 perforce kernel: GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider da0s1 is > ufs/Backup5. > May 29 12:40:08 perforce kernel: GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider da0s1 is > msdosfs/ . > May 29 12:40:32 perforce kernel: umass0: at uhub3 port 1 (addr 2) > disconnected > May 29 12:40:32 perforce kernel: (da0:uGmEaOsMs_-LsAiBmE0L::0 :La0b:e0l) > :m sldoosstf sd/e v irceemo > May 29 12:40:32 perforce kernel: v(edda.0: > May 29 12:40:32 perforce kernel: umGaEsOsM-_sLiAmBE0L::0 :L0a:b0e)l: > ruefmso/vBiancgk udpe5v irceem oevnetdr.y > May 29 12:40:32 perforce kernel: > May 29 12:40:32 perforce kernel: umass0: detached > > > I don't understand messages between "umass0: at uhub3 port 1 (addr 2) > disconnected" and "umass0: detached". > What does it mean? > > Best Regards, > Alexander Derevyanko. It looks like two messages goung out at the same time, if you combine the letters like this: (da0:u_m_a_s_s_-_s_i_m_0_:_0_:_a_b_e_l_ _:_ _l_o_s_t_ _d_e_v_i_c_e_o :_ _l_o_s_t_ _d_e_v_i_c_e_o _(_d_a_0_ um_a_s_s_-_s_i_m__0_:_0_:_0_:_0_)_: r_e_m_o_v_i_n_g_ _d_e_v_i_c_e_ _e_n_t_r_y (da0:_G_E_O_M___L_A_B_E_L_:_ _L_0_:_0_) _m_s_d_o_s_f_s_/_ _ _r_e_m_ v_e_d_._: __G_E_O_M___L_A_B_E_L_:_ _L_a_b_e_l: _u_f_s_/_B_a_c_k_u_p_5_ _r_e_m_o_v_e_d_. From cpghost at cordula.ws Mon Jun 1 14:08:11 2009 From: cpghost at cordula.ws (cpghost) Date: Mon Jun 1 14:08:17 2009 Subject: Strange text from kernel then detaching USB drive: "sldoosstf sd/e v irceemo" In-Reply-To: <4A239BC2.7050606@rusig.ru> References: <4A239BC2.7050606@rusig.ru> Message-ID: <20090601135210.GA5720@phenom.cordula.ws> On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 01:13:38PM +0400, ????????? ????????? wrote: > Hello all ! > > I got a very confusing messages from kernel then detaching one of my USB > external HD (used only for backups): > > > May 29 12:40:08 perforce kernel: GEOM_LABEL: Label ufs/Backup5 removed. > May 29 12:40:08 perforce kernel: GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider da0s1 is > ufs/Backup5. > May 29 12:40:08 perforce kernel: GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider da0s1 is > msdosfs/ . > May 29 12:40:32 perforce kernel: umass0: at uhub3 port 1 (addr 2) > disconnected > May 29 12:40:32 perforce kernel: (da0:uGmEaOsMs_-LsAiBmE0L::0 :La0b:e0l) > :m sldoosstf sd/e v irceemo > May 29 12:40:32 perforce kernel: v(edda.0: > May 29 12:40:32 perforce kernel: umGaEsOsM-_sLiAmBE0L::0 :L0a:b0e)l: > ruefmso/vBiancgk udpe5v irceem oevnetdr.y > May 29 12:40:32 perforce kernel: > May 29 12:40:32 perforce kernel: umass0: detached > > > I don't understand messages between "umass0: at uhub3 port 1 (addr 2) > disconnected" and "umass0: detached". It's a known problem on SMP systems. Citing from: http://wiki.freebsd.org/BugBusting/Commonly_reported_issues Scrambled or garbled kernel output, such as: SdMaP0:: AP1 6C0P.U0 0#0M1B /Lsa utnrcahnesdf!e da0: Sep 5 00:34:38 test kernel: Waiting (max 60 Sep 5 00:34:38 test kernel: seScyonncdisn)g fdoirs kssy,s tvenmo dperso creesmsa i`nsiynngc.e.r.' to3 stop...0 0 done Sep 5 00:34:38 test kernel: All buffers synced. <... snip ...> Workaround (partial): Use options PRINTF_BUFR_SIZE=256 in your kernel configuration. This will decrease the amount of interspersed output, but does not solve issue entirely > What does it mean? > > Best Regards, > Alexander Derevyanko. -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From dnelson at allantgroup.com Mon Jun 1 14:41:52 2009 From: dnelson at allantgroup.com (Dan Nelson) Date: Mon Jun 1 14:41:59 2009 Subject: vmstat questions In-Reply-To: <4A238FD1.1010708@pp.dyndns.biz> References: <4A238FD1.1010708@pp.dyndns.biz> Message-ID: <20090601144141.GD90077@dan.emsphone.com> In the last episode (Jun 01), Morgan Wesstr?m said: > Hi. This is my "vmstat -i" from my newly installed 7.2-RELEASE-amd64: > > # vmstat -i > interrupt total rate > irq4: sio0 1105 0 > irq17: em1 uhci1+ 10921807 182 > irq19: uhci3++ 8196905 136 > cpu0: timer 117164643 1956 > irq256: em0 7346687 122 > irq257: re0 166625 2 > cpu1: timer 117164471 1956 > Total 260962243 4358 > > For a long time I've tried to find out what the + and ++ means. Can > anyone shed some light on that? > > Also, where did my atapcis on irq19 go? I'm pretty sure I had them > listed there in 7.0-RELEASE. There is a very small buffer in the kernel for recording which devices are assigned to which IRQs in a human-readable format (MAXCOMLEN: 19 characters per IRQ, including the "irqNNN:" text). Code in /sys/kern/kern_intr.c:intr_event_update() truncates the list and adds a + for each omitted device name. http://fxr.watson.org/fxr/source/kern/kern_intr.c#L194 I'm not even sure why MAXCOMLEN is being used at this point; it's not storing a command name. http://fxr.watson.org/fxr/source/sys/interrupt.h#L104 I don't know what the repercussions would be if you increased MAXCOMLEN to 40, but you can try bumping it and see what breaks :) -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From cpghost at cordula.ws Mon Jun 1 14:43:44 2009 From: cpghost at cordula.ws (cpghost) Date: Mon Jun 1 14:43:52 2009 Subject: Sponsoring FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> Message-ID: <20090601144341.GA5818@phenom.cordula.ws> On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 02:36:18PM +0200, Kian T. Gould - AOE media GmbH wrote: > Dear FreeBSD Team, > > We are a small Open Source company in Germany, and due to our close > connection to the Open Source world we sponsor several successful > Open Source projects that help us in our daily work and/or are great > contributions to the OS world as such. Therefore we have also picked > your project as a possible recipient of sponsorship. Kian, every donation is highly welcome. Please have a look at http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml As you can see, every donor is mentioned, no matter how small the amount. They'll display a link for donations of $5,000 or more, and a logo for donations of $10,000 or more. The donation page is here: http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/ > Kian Gould > > AOE media GmbH > Borsigstr. 3 > 65205 Wiesbaden > Germany Tel. +49 (0) 6122 70 70 7 -111 > Fax. +49 (0) 6122 70 70 7 -199 > Mobil: +49 (0) 177 38 191 09 > > e-Mail: kian.gould@aoemedia.de > Web: http://www.aoemedia.de/ Kind regards, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From pstreem at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 14:49:56 2009 From: pstreem at gmail.com (PstreeM China) Date: Mon Jun 1 14:50:03 2009 Subject: what about BadAtom Error? Message-ID: <2c66535d0906010728r1c793f42l43109285a0d668f8@mail.gmail.com> hi all: yesterday , after i upgrade my Ports, use the command #portupgrade -arR ... then , my program rox is error .. Today From Google , i haven't find any useful information .. how can i Fix it ??? thanks All !! use the command $rox -p Default , Report the Error:: ############### (ROX-Filer:78077): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_x11_atom_to_xatom_for_display: assertion `atom != GDK_NONE' failed The program 'ROX-Filer' received an X Window System error. This probably reflects a bug in the program. The error was 'BadAtom (invalid Atom parameter)'. (Details: serial 246 error_code 5 request_code 20 minor_code 0) (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously; that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it. To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.) ##################### From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Mon Jun 1 15:48:52 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Mon Jun 1 15:48:58 2009 Subject: Sponsoring FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <20090601144341.GA5818@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <20090601144341.GA5818@phenom.cordula.ws> Message-ID: > every donation is highly welcome. Please have a look at > http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml > > As you can see, every donor is mentioned, no matter how > small the amount. They'll display a link for donations > of $5,000 or more, and a logo for donations of $10,000 > or more. > finally clear rules! Exactly what i said in the beginning - add two zeroes to 50-100$ to get good advert. From ivan at ivangelion.tw Mon Jun 1 15:52:34 2009 From: ivan at ivangelion.tw (Chun-fan Ivan Liao) Date: Mon Jun 1 15:52:41 2009 Subject: Still 2 apcupsd problems using USB to connect on FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE AMD64 Message-ID: <173f52ec0906010852p5b7d2a91k59f27860f63ca295@mail.gmail.com> The time of the first post of the original topic "4 apcupsd problems using USB to connect on FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE" was some 20 days ago, and there are still 2 problems remained. So I copy the unsolved problems here, plus the thing I did. Any help will be greatly appreciated. ========= OS version: FreeBSD 7.2 RELEASE apcupsd version: 3.14.5 UPS model: APC-MGE Back-UPS RS 1000VA (BR1000TW) UPS cable type: usb 3 important lines in /usr/local/etc/apcupsd/apcupsd.conf: --------- UPSCABLE usb UPSTYPE usb DEVICE ((using "DEVICE ugen0" yields the same problem)) --------- Other lines are default. Problem Description: 1. The APC box cannot be detected when connected to the FreeBSD system on system boot. (apcupsd_enable="YES" is set in /etc/rc.conf ) The associated messages in /var/log/messages: --------- May 10 16:08:27 aura-cosmetics apcupsd[901]: apcupsd FATAL ERROR in bsd-usb.c at line 735 Cannot find UPS device -- For a link to detailed USB trouble shooting information, please see . May 10 16:08:27 aura-cosmetics apcupsd[901]: apcupsd error shutdown completed --------- 2. Continuing 1, if I unplug the connecting USB then re-plug it to the same port, the USB cannot be identified. The associated message in /var/log/messages: --------- May 10 16:36:17 aura-cosmetics kernel: uhub0: device problem (TIMEOUT), disabling port 3 --------- I have applied Tetcu's suggestion, disabling all USB-related configurations in my kernel, and put the following 3 lines in /boot/loader.conf, but the problems still exist: usb_load="YES" ugen_load="YES" umass_load="YES" Here is my /var/run/dmesg.boot: http://www.ivangelion.tw/~cfliao/dmesg.boot From freebsd at edvax.de Mon Jun 1 17:01:47 2009 From: freebsd at edvax.de (Polytropon) Date: Mon Jun 1 17:01:55 2009 Subject: a binary package update In-Reply-To: <726041.18476.qm@web59916.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <726041.18476.qm@web59916.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090601190139.37ae524a.freebsd@edvax.de> On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 02:03:10 -0700 (PDT), Martin Badie wrote: > Hi, > > How can I update a pre-compiled package [...] You cannot update a pre-compiled package, you can only overwrite or replace the package (tbz file). However, you can update an installed port or package; in most cases, it doesn't even matter if you installed from a port or from a package. > [...] for example I have a package-1.0.tbz and I have downloaded > package-2.0.tbz. What I want is to update a installed 1.0 package > to 2.0 without internet connection. Is is relatively easy, but you need to make sure first that you have all the dependencies for package-2.0, for example libdep-1.3, depend-3.2.1 and libfoo-0.22.7. You first need to fetch them. Now a question: The system that has internet access: Do you want to install the new packages there, too? > I have portupgrade-2.4.6_2,2 > installed on my system. If you answered the question with "yes", then portupgrade can do it for you. Simply update package-1.0 to package-2.0 and let portupgrade create packages (-p). You can then transfer those packages to the other system which can't fetch them by itself. But if you answered "no", the task would be as follows: Get the newest version of a package along with all those packages this new version depends on. In order to do so, you may use the simple (and ugly) shell script I attached. It uses pkg_add to fetch those packages, but it does NOT install anything. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From jeff at m2.seamanpaper.com Mon Jun 1 17:47:37 2009 From: jeff at m2.seamanpaper.com (Jeff Dickens) Date: Mon Jun 1 17:47:44 2009 Subject: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail In-Reply-To: <1F9F36FCD9644D4683DADAF7DD62B412@john> References: <1F9F36FCD9644D4683DADAF7DD62B412@john> Message-ID: <4A240DDB.5010308@m2.seamanpaper.com> Another option: Qmail and Dovecot. Actually I have multiple servers running those at multiple sites. For webmail, I have use squirrelmail and perdition, which is an imap proxy/multiplexer. It makes the multiple dovecot systems look like one to the webmail system. You could replace squirrelmail with any other imap-based webmail. For anti-spam and anti-virus I use Postini. A dollar a month per user. I send no mail except via Postini, and I accept no mail except from Postini, enforced by both qmail's tcprules and our cisco firewalls. The combination is fast, safe and low-maintenance (but perhaps not your definition of cheap). I've built this thing but only have a small contingent of users on it so far.. the rest are still on a external host. Last week I set up mstone, (see sourceforge project) and have been loading it up to see where it creaks. So far so good. John Dakos [ Enovation Technologies ] wrote: > > > Hello all , I want to install a Mail Server with Webmail, > > Anybody to know a good Stable Mail Server and Web Mail > > I will appreciate > > Thanks all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Dakos > Network Administrator > Enovation Technologies > Filellinon 35, Chalandrion > 15232 Athens, GREECE > Tel: +30-210 811 9673 > Mob: +30-6979348082 > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > __________________________________________________________ Scanned by Google Message Security - Leaving Seaman Paper From leslie at eskk.nu Mon Jun 1 18:06:37 2009 From: leslie at eskk.nu (Leslie Jensen) Date: Mon Jun 1 18:06:45 2009 Subject: Stop in /usr/ports/lang/gcc43 In-Reply-To: References: <4A157EC8.3050507@eskk.nu> <4A157F4A.1000509@isafeelin.org> <4A191A51.1070905@eskk.nu> <4A1F64CF.1020206@eskk.nu> <4A1F6BBE.6060602@eskk.nu> <4A1FAC1A.9000508@eskk.nu> <4A203231.5010408@eskk.nu> Message-ID: <4A2418A6.7000100@eskk.nu> I can't get gcc43 to compile. I've deinstalled and reinstalled all its dependencies but it still fails. I'm on a 7.2-RELEASE system with all ports installed from a clean install. The problem turned up when an update for fftw3 became available. Apparently gcc43 is a new dependency for fftw3! Any hints appreciated Thanks ----------------- snip -------------------------- 0090531/gcc -I.././../gcc-4.3-20090531/gcc/build -I.././../gcc-4.3-20090531/gcc/../include -I.././../gcc-4.3-20090531/gcc/../libcpp/include -I/usr/local/include -I.././../gcc-4.3-20090531/gcc/../libdecnumber -I.././../gcc-4.3-20090531/gcc/../libdecnumber/dpd -I../libdecnumber -I/usr/local/include -o build/gencheck.o .././../gcc-4.3-20090531/gcc/gencheck.c In file included from ./tm.h:7, from .././../gcc-4.3-20090531/gcc/gencheck.c:24: ./options.h:1101: error: redeclaration of enumerator 'OPT_w' ./options.h:1099: error: previous definition of 'OPT_w' was here ./options.h:1102: error: redeclaration of enumerator 'OPT_v' ./options.h:1100: error: previous definition of 'OPT_v' was here gmake[3]: *** [build/gencheck.o] Error 1 gmake[3]: *** waiting for unfinished jobs... rm cpp.pod gcc.pod fsf-funding.pod gfdl.pod gcov.pod gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/build/gcc' gmake[2]: *** [all-stage1-gcc] Error 2 gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/build' gmake[1]: *** [stage1-bubble] Error 2 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/lang/gcc43/work/build' gmake: *** [bootstrap-lean] Error 2 *** Error code 1 From dkelly at hiwaay.net Mon Jun 1 18:12:43 2009 From: dkelly at hiwaay.net (David Kelly) Date: Mon Jun 1 18:12:59 2009 Subject: Stop in /usr/ports/lang/gcc43 In-Reply-To: <4A2418A6.7000100@eskk.nu> References: <4A191A51.1070905@eskk.nu> <4A1F64CF.1020206@eskk.nu> <4A1F6BBE.6060602@eskk.nu> <4A1FAC1A.9000508@eskk.nu> <4A203231.5010408@eskk.nu> <4A2418A6.7000100@eskk.nu> Message-ID: <20090601181241.GA11206@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 08:06:30PM +0200, Leslie Jensen wrote: > > > I can't get gcc43 to compile. I've deinstalled and reinstalled all its > dependencies but it still fails. > > I'm on a 7.2-RELEASE system with all ports installed from a clean install. > > The problem turned up when an update for fftw3 became available. > > Apparently gcc43 is a new dependency for fftw3! > > Any hints appreciated Add this to /etc/make.conf. Worked for me: WITHOUT_JAVA=1 Apparently to build Java one has to increase the size of some tables in the kernel. I'd just as soon do without Java. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From leslie at eskk.nu Mon Jun 1 18:21:55 2009 From: leslie at eskk.nu (Leslie Jensen) Date: Mon Jun 1 18:22:02 2009 Subject: Stop in /usr/ports/lang/gcc43 In-Reply-To: <20090601181241.GA11206@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> References: <4A191A51.1070905@eskk.nu> <4A1F64CF.1020206@eskk.nu> <4A1F6BBE.6060602@eskk.nu> <4A1FAC1A.9000508@eskk.nu> <4A203231.5010408@eskk.nu> <4A2418A6.7000100@eskk.nu> <20090601181241.GA11206@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> Message-ID: <4A241C3C.6050202@eskk.nu> David Kelly wrote: > On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 08:06:30PM +0200, Leslie Jensen wrote: >> >> I can't get gcc43 to compile. I've deinstalled and reinstalled all its >> dependencies but it still fails. >> >> I'm on a 7.2-RELEASE system with all ports installed from a clean install. >> >> The problem turned up when an update for fftw3 became available. >> >> Apparently gcc43 is a new dependency for fftw3! >> >> Any hints appreciated > > Add this to /etc/make.conf. Worked for me: > > WITHOUT_JAVA=1 > > Apparently to build Java one has to increase the size of some tables in > the kernel. I'd just as soon do without Java. > It does not work here :-( / From leslie at eskk.nu Mon Jun 1 18:31:13 2009 From: leslie at eskk.nu (Leslie Jensen) Date: Mon Jun 1 18:31:21 2009 Subject: Stop in /usr/ports/lang/gcc43 In-Reply-To: <4A241C3C.6050202@eskk.nu> References: <4A191A51.1070905@eskk.nu> <4A1F64CF.1020206@eskk.nu> <4A1F6BBE.6060602@eskk.nu> <4A1FAC1A.9000508@eskk.nu> <4A203231.5010408@eskk.nu> <4A2418A6.7000100@eskk.nu> <20090601181241.GA11206@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <4A241C3C.6050202@eskk.nu> Message-ID: <4A241E69.3040903@eskk.nu> Leslie Jensen wrote: > > > David Kelly wrote: >> On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 08:06:30PM +0200, Leslie Jensen wrote: >>> >>> I can't get gcc43 to compile. I've deinstalled and reinstalled all >>> its dependencies but it still fails. >>> >>> I'm on a 7.2-RELEASE system with all ports installed from a clean >>> install. >>> >>> The problem turned up when an update for fftw3 became available. >>> >>> Apparently gcc43 is a new dependency for fftw3! >>> >>> Any hints appreciated >> >> Add this to /etc/make.conf. Worked for me: >> >> WITHOUT_JAVA=1 >> >> Apparently to build Java one has to increase the size of some tables in >> the kernel. I'd just as soon do without Java. >> > > It does not work here :-( > / I also have this in my /boot/loader.conf but it makes no difference. kern.maxdsiz="734003200" / From perrin at apotheon.com Mon Jun 1 18:51:21 2009 From: perrin at apotheon.com (Chad Perrin) Date: Mon Jun 1 18:51:35 2009 Subject: What's wrong with this picture? In-Reply-To: References: <20090530160540.C5BCD106575F@hub.freebsd.org> <20090531142921.B65025@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <1243809390.6672.17.camel@ubuntu> Message-ID: <20090601184611.GB68446@kokopelli.hydra> On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 02:03:19AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > so you like to moderate me, being against moderation I think GT would like you to moderate yourself, as would I. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Larry Niven: "That's the thing about people who think they hate computers. What they really hate is lousy programmers." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 196 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/attachments/20090601/dade071c/attachment.pgp From dkelly at hiwaay.net Mon Jun 1 18:51:26 2009 From: dkelly at hiwaay.net (David Kelly) Date: Mon Jun 1 18:51:36 2009 Subject: Stop in /usr/ports/lang/gcc43 In-Reply-To: <4A2418A6.7000100@eskk.nu> References: <4A191A51.1070905@eskk.nu> <4A1F64CF.1020206@eskk.nu> <4A1F6BBE.6060602@eskk.nu> <4A1FAC1A.9000508@eskk.nu> <4A203231.5010408@eskk.nu> <4A2418A6.7000100@eskk.nu> Message-ID: <20090601185123.GA11384@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 08:06:30PM +0200, Leslie Jensen wrote: > > I can't get gcc43 to compile. I've deinstalled and reinstalled all its > dependencies but it still fails. Including perl? What version of perl do you have installed? I know it builds with 5.8.9. > In file included from ./tm.h:7, > from .././../gcc-4.3-20090531/gcc/gencheck.c:24: > ./options.h:1101: error: redeclaration of enumerator 'OPT_w' > ./options.h:1099: error: previous definition of 'OPT_w' was here > ./options.h:1102: error: redeclaration of enumerator 'OPT_v' > ./options.h:1100: error: previous definition of 'OPT_v' was here > gmake[3]: *** [build/gencheck.o] Error 1 > gmake[3]: *** waiting for unfinished jobs... > rm cpp.pod gcc.pod fsf-funding.pod gfdl.pod gcov.pod See above? Its deleting .pod files which I believe are perl. Perl *documentation* but still somehow related to perl. There was something else the past month or two where I believe a dependency for KDE could not build because it was finding its own older version include files. That port had to be pkg_deinstall -f'ed before it would build and install the new version. Then "pkgdb -fu" may or may not have been required to force an update of the ports database. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From don_read at att.net Mon Jun 1 18:56:54 2009 From: don_read at att.net (Don Read) Date: Mon Jun 1 18:57:00 2009 Subject: FreeBSD on USB drive for a MacBook Pro In-Reply-To: <200905302136.49369.lists@jnielsen.net> References: <200905302136.49369.lists@jnielsen.net> Message-ID: <20090601145650.5cef1601@att.net> On Sat, 30 May 2009 21:36:49 -0400 John Nielsen said: > I'm looking for advice and/or pointers. I have an Intel-based MacBook Pro > and I would like to use a USB thumb drive to be able to boot FreeBSD on > it. This should get you started: http://groups.google.com/group/lucky.freebsd.questions/msg/5c759b1c87376b22?pli=1 Regards, -- Don Read don_read@att.net It's always darkest before the dawn. So if you are going to steal the neighbor's newspaper, that's the time to do it. From tajudd at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 19:20:58 2009 From: tajudd at gmail.com (Tim Judd) Date: Mon Jun 1 19:21:07 2009 Subject: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail In-Reply-To: References: <1F9F36FCD9644D4683DADAF7DD62B412@john> <200905272209.28550.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Message-ID: On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Tim Judd wrote: > > > 2009/5/27 Mel Flynn > > > >> On Monday 25 May 2009 13:53:40 Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: >> > Hello, >> > >> > > Hello all , I want to install a Mail Server with Webmail, >> > > >> > > Anybody to know a good Stable Mail Server and Web Mail >> > >> > I recommend the following step-by-step instructions: >> > http://www.purplehat.org/?page_id=4 >> >> It's a detailed how-to but consider the following: >> a) With Oracle acquiring Sun, one should move to PostgreSQL where ever >> possible. >> b) Spam Assassin is a resource hog, use mail/dspam. >> c) While postfix-admin is ok for one box setup, it doesn't scale at all - >> you'll have to install it for every physical machine to manage that >> specific >> database for that box. I know of no alternatives, hence I'm rolling my >> own. >> > > > Just thought I should make a couple comments, it's not a message to change > or correct Mel's message but rather just a idea on a possible solution I > have deployed and would like input and experience/results relayed to me. > > > Put whatever MTA you want, I use postfix primarily. sendmail would work > too, but I don't know exim or qmail. > > Install OpenBSD's spamd (that works with PF, and ipfw support is early, but > there) on the host to block the (at last count) ~460k hosts and subnets that > are known spammers so your MTA doesn't even have to mess with it. > Include DNS Blacklisting support with your MTA. These are the servers that > have mistakenly sent out a spam and gotten caught. DNSBL will report to the > client that it's being blocked and how to remove it. > > > I'd love to hear success stories with this. Both pieces together work very > well, and I am still working on seeing if any spam does come through. If > spam does come through, a product like dspam or spamassassin could finish > off the job. > > > I don't have a live domain, so I can give directions if anybody's > interested. Maybe one day I'll write up an article for this. > > > I ask please - for those who are interested in trying this, to give me the > success or not-so-success stories so I can fine tune it and work out the > missing link. > > > --Tim > I just had my first answer to this setup. only roughly 5% of the volume of mail is spam. This is very acceptable given that there's no spam filter yet. and the last 5% can be cleaned up with a proper anti-spam solution, and my first anticipation would be spamd for that solution From datahead4 at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 19:22:30 2009 From: datahead4 at gmail.com (Matt) Date: Mon Jun 1 19:22:38 2009 Subject: Stop in /usr/ports/lang/gcc43 In-Reply-To: <20090601181241.GA11206@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> References: <4A191A51.1070905@eskk.nu> <4A1F6BBE.6060602@eskk.nu> <4A1FAC1A.9000508@eskk.nu> <4A203231.5010408@eskk.nu> <4A2418A6.7000100@eskk.nu> <20090601181241.GA11206@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 1:12 PM, David Kelly wrote: > On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 08:06:30PM +0200, Leslie Jensen wrote: >> >> >> I can't get gcc43 to compile. I've deinstalled and reinstalled all its >> dependencies but it still fails. >> >> I'm on a 7.2-RELEASE system with all ports installed from a clean install. >> >> The problem turned up when an update for fftw3 became available. >> >> Apparently gcc43 is a new dependency for fftw3! >> >> Any hints appreciated > > Add this to /etc/make.conf. Worked for me: > > WITHOUT_JAVA=1 > > Apparently to build Java one has to increase the size of some tables in > the kernel. I'd just as soon do without Java. I've noticed that the lang/gcc43 port's Makefile includes a builtin call (ulimit -d) that is not available in the csh shell (but is available in sh and bash). If csh is the shell in use when the port is built, the port build will fail unless you define WITHOUT_JAVA as previously stated. However, this issue results in a different error condition than the one stated by the original poster. Matt From tajudd at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 19:23:28 2009 From: tajudd at gmail.com (Tim Judd) Date: Mon Jun 1 19:23:35 2009 Subject: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail In-Reply-To: References: <1F9F36FCD9644D4683DADAF7DD62B412@john> <200905272209.28550.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Tim Judd wrote: > > > On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Tim Judd wrote: > >> >> >> 2009/5/27 Mel Flynn >> > >> >>> On Monday 25 May 2009 13:53:40 Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: >>> > Hello, >>> > >>> > > Hello all , I want to install a Mail Server with Webmail, >>> > > >>> > > Anybody to know a good Stable Mail Server and Web Mail >>> > >>> > I recommend the following step-by-step instructions: >>> > http://www.purplehat.org/?page_id=4 >>> >>> It's a detailed how-to but consider the following: >>> a) With Oracle acquiring Sun, one should move to PostgreSQL where ever >>> possible. >>> b) Spam Assassin is a resource hog, use mail/dspam. >>> c) While postfix-admin is ok for one box setup, it doesn't scale at all - >>> you'll have to install it for every physical machine to manage that >>> specific >>> database for that box. I know of no alternatives, hence I'm rolling my >>> own. >>> >> >> >> Just thought I should make a couple comments, it's not a message to change >> or correct Mel's message but rather just a idea on a possible solution I >> have deployed and would like input and experience/results relayed to me. >> >> >> Put whatever MTA you want, I use postfix primarily. sendmail would work >> too, but I don't know exim or qmail. >> >> Install OpenBSD's spamd (that works with PF, and ipfw support is early, >> but there) on the host to block the (at last count) ~460k hosts and subnets >> that are known spammers so your MTA doesn't even have to mess with it. >> Include DNS Blacklisting support with your MTA. These are the servers >> that have mistakenly sent out a spam and gotten caught. DNSBL will report >> to the client that it's being blocked and how to remove it. >> >> >> I'd love to hear success stories with this. Both pieces together work >> very well, and I am still working on seeing if any spam does come through. >> If spam does come through, a product like dspam or spamassassin could finish >> off the job. >> >> >> I don't have a live domain, so I can give directions if anybody's >> interested. Maybe one day I'll write up an article for this. >> >> >> I ask please - for those who are interested in trying this, to give me the >> success or not-so-success stories so I can fine tune it and work out the >> missing link. >> >> >> --Tim >> > > > I just had my first answer to this setup. only roughly 5% of the volume of > mail is spam. This is very acceptable given that there's no spam filter > yet. and the last 5% can be cleaned up with a proper anti-spam solution, > and my first anticipation would be spamd for that solution > > erm.... dspam, not spamd. :) firewall w/ spamd MTA with DNSBL dspam invoked by MTA :) From leslie at eskk.nu Mon Jun 1 19:32:45 2009 From: leslie at eskk.nu (Leslie Jensen) Date: Mon Jun 1 19:32:52 2009 Subject: Stop in /usr/ports/lang/gcc43 In-Reply-To: <20090601185123.GA11384@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> References: <4A191A51.1070905@eskk.nu> <4A1F64CF.1020206@eskk.nu> <4A1F6BBE.6060602@eskk.nu> <4A1FAC1A.9000508@eskk.nu> <4A203231.5010408@eskk.nu> <4A2418A6.7000100@eskk.nu> <20090601185123.GA11384@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> Message-ID: <4A242CD6.9030804@eskk.nu> David Kelly wrote: > On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 08:06:30PM +0200, Leslie Jensen wrote: >> I can't get gcc43 to compile. I've deinstalled and reinstalled all its >> dependencies but it still fails. > > Including perl? What version of perl do you have installed? I know it > builds with 5.8.9. I have perl-5.8.9_2 installed And I just de and reinstalled it. / > >> In file included from ./tm.h:7, >> from .././../gcc-4.3-20090531/gcc/gencheck.c:24: >> ./options.h:1101: error: redeclaration of enumerator 'OPT_w' >> ./options.h:1099: error: previous definition of 'OPT_w' was here >> ./options.h:1102: error: redeclaration of enumerator 'OPT_v' >> ./options.h:1100: error: previous definition of 'OPT_v' was here >> gmake[3]: *** [build/gencheck.o] Error 1 >> gmake[3]: *** waiting for unfinished jobs... >> rm cpp.pod gcc.pod fsf-funding.pod gfdl.pod gcov.pod > > See above? Its deleting .pod files which I believe are perl. Perl > *documentation* but still somehow related to perl. > > There was something else the past month or two where I believe a > dependency for KDE could not build because it was finding its own older > version include files. That port had to be pkg_deinstall -f'ed before it > would build and install the new version. Then "pkgdb -fu" may or may not > have been required to force an update of the ports database. > From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Mon Jun 1 20:07:14 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Mon Jun 1 20:07:21 2009 Subject: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail In-Reply-To: References: <1F9F36FCD9644D4683DADAF7DD62B412@john> <200905272209.28550.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Message-ID: > I just had my first answer to this setup. only roughly 5% of the volume of on what planet do You live? really at least 80% of mail that comes to my servers are spam. spamassassin deletes far over 95% of it fortunately. From tajudd at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 20:21:49 2009 From: tajudd at gmail.com (Tim Judd) Date: Mon Jun 1 20:21:57 2009 Subject: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail In-Reply-To: References: <1F9F36FCD9644D4683DADAF7DD62B412@john> <200905272209.28550.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Wojciech Puchar < wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> wrote: > I just had my first answer to this setup. only roughly 5% of the volume >> of >> > > on what planet do You live? really at least 80% of mail that comes to my > servers are spam. spamassassin deletes far over 95% of it fortunately. > > You don't follow context very well. with the setup I'm talking about, only 5% of the total volume currently received is spam. and that's a guestimate. My point is that this is 5% coming through without using an anti-spam product. I was trying to get a feel for the software combination I spoke about, how effective it was without anti-spam. And then I said that the last 5% can be cleaned up by using anti-spam software. I won't elaborate to you any more. From tangled.messs at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 20:34:36 2009 From: tangled.messs at gmail.com (tangled) Date: Mon Jun 1 20:34:44 2009 Subject: archivers/file-roller In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <23821628.post@talk.nabble.com> I had the same problem. To resolve this I edited the file: fr-enum-types.c Change the following line: #include "/home/paolo/workspace/file-roller/src/typedefs.h" To this: #include "typedefs.h" Tim Judd-3 wrote: > > fr-enum-types.c:7:60: error: > /home/paolo/workspace/file-roller/src/typedefs.h: No such file or > directory > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/archivers-file-roller-tp23680360p23821628.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Mon Jun 1 20:49:54 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Mon Jun 1 20:50:01 2009 Subject: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail In-Reply-To: References: <1F9F36FCD9644D4683DADAF7DD62B412@john> <200905272209.28550.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Message-ID: > of > > > on what planet do You live? really at least 80% of mail that comes to my servers are spam. > spamassassin deletes far over 95% of it fortunately. > > > > > You don't follow context very well. Seems so - sorry. as for input it's rather 5% being not a spam. > with the setup I'm talking about, only 5% of the total volume currently received is spam.? and > that's a guestimate. > Just checked - i received 350 spams today (since 0:00) and got 4 uncatched by spamassassin. so like 1-1.5% From chris at timico.net Mon Jun 1 21:07:58 2009 From: chris at timico.net (Chris Nicholls) Date: Mon Jun 1 21:08:43 2009 Subject: IBM x345 Dual 2.8Ghz Xeon poor performance Message-ID: <20090601185419.GA92199@atsuko> Hello List I recently aquired and IBM eServer x345, which is taking up to 12 hours to build a kernel! I've spent quite a bit of spare time trawling archives etc for any hints to the reason why. Initally I thought it was the disks causing the problem, but the general usage of the machine and disk I/O is pretty snappy just seems to be CPU intensive operations where things seem to lag. I've been using kernel builds as a rough benchmark where an older P3 dual 2.4ghz IBM x330 compiles in about 15min under moderate load. I've attached the dmesg with a boot -v from the box in question, any comments would be a great help, also if this is not the best place to post such questions please let me know so i can better direct it. Regards FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE #0: Fri May 1 08:49:13 UTC 2009 root@walker.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC Preloaded elf kernel "/boot/kernel/kernel" at 0xc0e67000. Preloaded elf module "/boot/kernel/acpi.ko" at 0xc0e67160. Calibrating clock(s) ... i8254 clock: 1193158 Hz CLK_USE_I8254_CALIBRATION not specified - using default frequency Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 Calibrating TSC clock ... TSC clock: 2793915192 Hz CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.80GHz (2793.92-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0xf29 Stepping = 9 Features=0xbfebfbff Features2=0x4400 Instruction TLB: 4 KB, 2 MB or 4 MB pages, fully associative, 128 entries Data TLB: 4 KB or 4 MB pages, fully associative, 64 entries 1st-level data cache: 8 KB, 4-way set associative, sectored cache, 64 byte line size Trace cache: 12K-uops, 8-way set associative 2nd-level cache: 512 KB, 8-way set associative, sectored cache, 64 byte line size real memory = 2147332096 (2047 MB) Physical memory chunk(s): 0x0000000000001000 - 0x000000000009afff, 630784 bytes (154 pages) 0x0000000000100000 - 0x00000000003fffff, 3145728 bytes (768 pages) 0x0000000001025000 - 0x000000007db85fff, 2092306432 bytes (510817 pages) avail memory = 2091646976 (1994 MB) Table 'FACP' at 0x7ffdff00 Table 'APIC' at 0x7ffdfe80 MADT: Found table at 0x7ffdfe80 MP Configuration Table version 1.4 found at 0xc009cea0 APIC: Using the MADT enumerator. MADT: Found CPU APIC ID 0 ACPI ID 0: enabled SMP: Added CPU 0 (AP) MADT: Found CPU APIC ID 6 ACPI ID 1: enabled SMP: Added CPU 6 (AP) ACPI APIC Table: INTR: Adding local APIC 6 as a target FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 6 bios32: Found BIOS32 Service Directory header at 0xc00fd790 bios32: Entry = 0xfd7a1 (c00fd7a1) Rev = 0 Len = 1 pcibios: PCI BIOS entry at 0xf0000+0xd7dc pnpbios: Found PnP BIOS data at 0xc00fdf90 pnpbios: Entry = f0000:444c Rev = 1.0 Other BIOS signatures found: APIC: CPU 0 has ACPI ID 0 APIC: CPU 1 has ACPI ID 1 ULE: setup cpu group 0 ULE: setup cpu 0 ULE: adding cpu 0 to group 0: cpus 1 mask 0x1 ULE: setup cpu group 1 ULE: setup cpu 1 ULE: adding cpu 1 to group 1: cpus 1 mask 0x2 ACPI: RSDP @ 0x0xfdfc0/0x0014 (v 0 IBM ) ACPI: RSDT @ 0x0x7ffdff80/0x0030 (v 1 IBM SERONYXP 0x00001000 IBM 0x45444F43) ACPI: FACP @ 0x0x7ffdff00/0x0074 (v 1 IBM SERONYXP 0x00001000 IBM 0x45444F43) ACPI: DSDT @ 0x0x7ffdb300/0x4A26 (v 1 IBM SERGEODE 0x00001000 MSFT 0x0100000B) ACPI: FACS @ 0x0x7ffdfe40/0x0040 ACPI: APIC @ 0x0x7ffdfe80/0x0076 (v 1 IBM SERONYXP 0x00001000 IBM 0x45444F43) ACPI: ASF! @ 0x0x7ffdfdc0/0x004B (v 16 IBM SERONYXP 0x00000001 IBM 0x45444F43) MADT: Found IO APIC ID 14, Interrupt 0 at 0xfec00000 ioapic0: Routing external 8259A's -> intpin 0 MADT: Found IO APIC ID 13, Interrupt 16 at 0xfec01000 MADT: Found IO APIC ID 12, Interrupt 32 at 0xfec02000 MADT: Interrupt override: source 0, irq 2 ioapic0: Routing IRQ 0 -> intpin 2 lapic0: Routing NMI -> LINT1 lapic0: LINT1 trigger: edge lapic0: LINT1 polarity: high MADT: Ignoring local NMI routed to ACPI CPU 6 MADT: Forcing active-low polarity and level trigger for SCI ioapic0: intpin 7 polarity: low ioapic0: intpin 7 trigger: level ioapic2 irqs 32-47 on motherboard ioapic1 irqs 16-31 on motherboard ioapic0 irqs 0-15 on motherboard cpu0 BSP: ID: 0x00000000 VER: 0x00050014 LDR: 0x00000000 DFR: 0xffffffff lint0: 0x00010700 lint1: 0x00000400 TPR: 0x00000000 SVR: 0x000001ff timer: 0x000100ef therm: 0x00010000 err: 0x00010000 pcm: 0x00010000 wlan_amrr: wlan: <802.11 Link Layer> null: random: nfslock: pseudo-device io: kbd: new array size 4 kbd1 at kbdmux0 mem: Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled hptrr: RocketRAID 17xx/2xxx SATA controller driver v1.2 (May 1 2009 08:47:24) npx0: INT 16 interface acpi0: on motherboard ioapic0: routing intpin 7 (ISA IRQ 7) to vector 48 acpi0: [MPSAFE] acpi0: [ITHREAD] acpi0: Power Button (fixed) acpi0: wakeup code va 0xc50a1000 pa 0x1000 pci_open(1): mode 1 addr port (0x0cf8) is 0x80002800 pci_open(1a): mode1res=0x80000000 (0x80000000) pci_cfgcheck: device 0 [class=060000] [hdr=80] is there (id=00141166) pcibios: BIOS version 2.10 AcpiOsDerivePciId: \\_SB_.PCI0.RCNB -> bus 0 dev 0 func 0 AcpiOsDerivePciId: \\_SB_.PCI0.USB0.CFG2 -> bus 0 dev 15 func 2 AcpiOsDerivePciId: \\_SB_.PCI0.CI10.IOB2 -> bus 0 dev 16 func 0 AcpiOsDerivePciId: \\_SB_.PCI0.CI12.IOB2 -> bus 0 dev 16 func 2 AcpiOsDerivePciId: \\_SB_.PCI0.CI20.IOB2 -> bus 0 dev 17 func 0 AcpiOsDerivePciId: \\_SB_.PCI0.CI22.IOB2 -> bus 0 dev 17 func 2 acpi0: reservation of 460, 2 (4) failed ACPI timer: 0/3 0/3 0/3 0/3 0/4 0/3 0/3 0/3 0/3 0/3 -> 0 Timecounter "ACPI-safe" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 850 acpi_timer0: <32-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x488-0x48b on acpi0 pci_link0: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link1: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link2: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 9 N 0 9 Validation 0 9 N 0 9 After Disable 0 255 N 0 9 pci_link3: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link4: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link5: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link6: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link7: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link8: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link9: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link10: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 10 N 0 10 Validation 0 10 N 0 10 After Disable 0 255 N 0 10 pci_link11: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link12: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link13: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 3 N 0 3 Validation 0 3 N 0 3 After Disable 0 255 N 0 3 pci_link14: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 5 N 0 5 Validation 0 5 N 0 5 After Disable 0 255 N 0 5 pci_link15: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link16: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link17: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link18: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link19: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link20: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link21: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link22: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link23: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link24: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link25: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link26: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link27: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link28: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link29: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link30: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link31: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 255 N 0 none Validation 0 255 N 0 none After Disable 0 255 N 0 none pci_link32: Index IRQ Rtd Ref IRQs Initial Probe 0 11 N 0 11 Validation 0 11 N 0 11 After Disable 0 255 N 0 11 pcib0: on acpi0 ACPI: Found matching pin for 0.15.INTA at func 2: 11 pci0: on pcib0 pci0: domain=0, physical bus=0 found-> vendor=0x1166, dev=0x0014, revid=0x33 domain=0, bus=0, slot=0, func=0 class=06-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1 cmdreg=0x0000, statreg=0x0000, cachelnsz=16 (dwords) lattimer=0x00 (0 ns), mingnt=0x00 (0 ns), maxlat=0x00 (0 ns) found-> vendor=0x1166, dev=0x0014, revid=0x00 domain=0, bus=0, slot=0, func=1 class=06-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1 cmdreg=0x0000, statreg=0x0000, cachelnsz=16 (dwords) lattimer=0x00 (0 ns), mingnt=0x00 (0 ns), maxlat=0x00 (0 ns) found-> vendor=0x1166, dev=0x0014, revid=0x00 domain=0, bus=0, slot=0, func=2 class=06-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1 cmdreg=0x0000, statreg=0x0000, cachelnsz=16 (dwords) lattimer=0x00 (0 ns), mingnt=0x00 (0 ns), maxlat=0x00 (0 ns) found-> vendor=0x1002, dev=0x4752, revid=0x27 domain=0, bus=0, slot=6, func=0 class=03-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 cmdreg=0x0087, statreg=0x0290, cachelnsz=8 (dwords) lattimer=0x40 (1920 ns), mingnt=0x08 (2000 ns), maxlat=0x00 (0 ns) intpin=a, irq=10 powerspec 2 supports D0 D1 D2 D3 current D0 map[10]: type Memory, range 32, base 0xfd000000, size 24, enabled map[14]: type I/O Port, range 32, base 0x2400, size 8, enabled map[18]: type Memory, range 32, base 0xfebff000, size 12, enabled pcib0: matched entry for 0.6.INTA pcib0: slot 6 INTA hardwired to IRQ 26 found-> vendor=0x1166, dev=0x0201, revid=0x93 domain=0, bus=0, slot=15, func=0 class=06-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1 cmdreg=0x0147, statreg=0x2200, cachelnsz=0 (dwords) lattimer=0x40 (1920 ns), mingnt=0x00 (0 ns), maxlat=0x00 (0 ns) found-> vendor=0x1166, dev=0x0212, revid=0x93 domain=0, bus=0, slot=15, func=1 class=01-01-82, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1 cmdreg=0x0155, statreg=0x0200, cachelnsz=8 (dwords) lattimer=0x40 (1920 ns), mingnt=0x00 (0 ns), maxlat=0x00 (0 ns) map[20]: type I/O Port, range 32, base 0x700, size 4, enabled found-> vendor=0x1166, dev=0x0220, revid=0x05 domain=0, bus=0, slot=15, func=2 class=0c-03-10, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1 cmdreg=0x0157, statreg=0x0280, cachelnsz=8 (dwords) lattimer=0x40 (1920 ns), mingnt=0x00 (0 ns), maxlat=0x50 (20000 ns) intpin=a, irq=11 map[10]: type Memory, range 32, base 0xfebfe000, size 12, enabled pcib0: matched entry for 0.15.INTA (src \\LPUS:0) ioapic0: Changing trigger for pin 11 to level ioapic0: Changing polarity for pin 11 to low pcib0: slot 15 INTA routed to irq 11 via \\LPUS found-> vendor=0x1166, dev=0x0225, revid=0x00 domain=0, bus=0, slot=15, func=3 class=06-01-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1 cmdreg=0x0144, statreg=0x0200, cachelnsz=0 (dwords) lattimer=0x00 (0 ns), mingnt=0x00 (0 ns), maxlat=0x00 (0 ns) found-> vendor=0x1166, dev=0x0101, revid=0x05 domain=0, bus=0, slot=16, func=0 class=06-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1 cmdreg=0x0142, statreg=0x2230, cachelnsz=0 (dwords) lattimer=0x40 (1920 ns), mingnt=0x00 (0 ns), maxlat=0x00 (0 ns) found-> vendor=0x1166, dev=0x0101, revid=0x05 domain=0, bus=0, slot=16, func=2 class=06-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1 cmdreg=0x0142, statreg=0x2230, cachelnsz=0 (dwords) lattimer=0x40 (1920 ns), mingnt=0x00 (0 ns), maxlat=0x00 (0 ns) found-> vendor=0x1166, dev=0x0101, revid=0x05 domain=0, bus=0, slot=17, func=0 class=06-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1 cmdreg=0x0142, statreg=0x2230, cachelnsz=0 (dwords) lattimer=0x40 (1920 ns), mingnt=0x00 (0 ns), maxlat=0x00 (0 ns) found-> vendor=0x1166, dev=0x0101, revid=0x05 domain=0, bus=0, slot=17, func=2 class=06-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1 cmdreg=0x0142, statreg=0x2230, cachelnsz=0 (dwords) lattimer=0x40 (1920 ns), mingnt=0x00 (0 ns), maxlat=0x00 (0 ns) vgapci0: port 0x2400-0x24ff mem 0xfd000000-0xfdffffff,0xfebff000-0xfebfffff irq 26 at device 6.0 on pci0 atapci0: port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0x700-0x70f at device 15.1 on pci0 atapci0: Reserved 0x10 bytes for rid 0x20 type 4 at 0x700 ata0: on atapci0 atapci0: Reserved 0x8 bytes for rid 0x10 type 4 at 0x1f0 atapci0: Reserved 0x1 bytes for rid 0x14 type 4 at 0x3f6 ata0: reset tp1 mask=03 ostat0=50 ostat1=00 ata0: stat0=0x00 err=0x01 lsb=0x14 msb=0xeb ata0: stat1=0x00 err=0x04 lsb=0x00 msb=0x00 ata0: reset tp2 stat0=00 stat1=00 devices=0x4 ioapic0: routing intpin 14 (ISA IRQ 14) to vector 49 ata0: [MPSAFE] ata0: [ITHREAD] ata1: on atapci0 atapci0: Reserved 0x8 bytes for rid 0x18 type 4 at 0x170 atapci0: Reserved 0x1 bytes for rid 0x1c type 4 at 0x376 ata1: reset tp1 mask=00 ostat0=ff ostat1=ff ioapic0: routing intpin 15 (ISA IRQ 15) to vector 50 ata1: [MPSAFE] ata1: [ITHREAD] ohci0: mem 0xfebfe000-0xfebfefff irq 11 at device 15.2 on pci0 ohci0: Reserved 0x1000 bytes for rid 0x10 type 3 at 0xfebfe000 ohci0: (New OHCI DeviceId=0x02201166) ioapic0: routing intpin 11 (ISA IRQ 11) to vector 51 ohci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] ohci0: [ITHREAD] usb0: OHCI version 1.0, legacy support usb0: SMM does not respond, resetting usb0: on ohci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: <(0x1166) OHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1> on usb0 uhub0: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered isab0: at device 15.3 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 pcib1: on acpi0 pci2: on pcib1 pci2: domain=0, physical bus=2 pcib2: on acpi0 pci4: on pcib2 pci4: domain=0, physical bus=4 pcib3: on acpi0 pci6: on pcib3 pci6: domain=0, physical bus=6 found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x1010, revid=0x01 domain=0, bus=6, slot=8, func=0 class=02-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1 cmdreg=0x0147, statreg=0x0230, cachelnsz=8 (dwords) lattimer=0x40 (1920 ns), mingnt=0xff (63750 ns), maxlat=0x00 (0 ns) intpin=a, irq=3 powerspec 2 supports D0 D3 current D0 MSI supports 1 message, 64 bit map[10]: type Memory, range 64, base 0xfbfe0000, size 17, enabled map[20]: type I/O Port, range 32, base 0x2500, size 6, enabled pcib3: matched entry for 6.8.INTA pcib3: slot 8 INTA hardwired to IRQ 29 found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x1010, revid=0x01 domain=0, bus=6, slot=8, func=1 class=02-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1 cmdreg=0x0147, statreg=0x0230, cachelnsz=8 (dwords) lattimer=0x40 (1920 ns), mingnt=0xff (63750 ns), maxlat=0x00 (0 ns) intpin=b, irq=5 powerspec 2 supports D0 D3 current D0 MSI supports 1 message, 64 bit map[10]: type Memory, range 64, base 0xfbfc0000, size 17, enabled map[20]: type I/O Port, range 32, base 0x2540, size 6, enabled pcib3: matched entry for 6.8.INTB pcib3: slot 8 INTB hardwired to IRQ 30 em0: port 0x2500-0x253f mem 0xfbfe0000-0xfbffffff irq 29 at device 8.0 on pci6 em0: Reserved 0x20000 bytes for rid 0x10 type 3 at 0xfbfe0000 em0: Reserved 0x40 bytes for rid 0x20 type 4 at 0x2500 ioapic1: routing intpin 13 (PCI IRQ 29) to vector 52 em0: [FILTER] em0: bpf attached em0: Ethernet address: 00:0d:60:eb:46:a6 em1: port 0x2540-0x257f mem 0xfbfc0000-0xfbfdffff irq 30 at device 8.1 on pci6 em1: Reserved 0x20000 bytes for rid 0x10 type 3 at 0xfbfc0000 em1: Reserved 0x40 bytes for rid 0x20 type 4 at 0x2540 ioapic1: routing intpin 14 (PCI IRQ 30) to vector 53 em1: [FILTER] em1: bpf attached em1: Ethernet address: 00:0d:60:eb:46:a7 pcib4: on acpi0 pci8: on pcib4 pci8: domain=0, physical bus=8 found-> vendor=0x9005, dev=0x0250, revid=0x02 domain=0, bus=8, slot=2, func=0 class=01-04-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 cmdreg=0x01d6, statreg=0x0230, cachelnsz=8 (dwords) lattimer=0x40 (1920 ns), mingnt=0x80 (32000 ns), maxlat=0x00 (0 ns) intpin=a, irq=9 powerspec 2 supports D0 D1 D3 current D0 MSI supports 2 messages, 64 bit map[10]: type Memory, range 32, base 0xf3fff000, size 12, enabled map[18]: type Prefetchable Memory, range 32, base 0xf4000000, size 26, enabled pcib4: matched entry for 8.2.INTA pcib4: slot 2 INTA hardwired to IRQ 18 ips0: mem 0xf3fff000-0xf3ffffff,0xf4000000-0xf7ffffff irq 18 at device 2.0 on pci8 ips0: Reserved 0x1000 bytes for rid 0x10 type 3 at 0xf3fff000 ioapic1: routing intpin 2 (PCI IRQ 18) to vector 54 ips0: [MPSAFE] ips0: [ITHREAD] psmcpnp0: irq 12 on acpi0 fdc0: port 0x3f0-0x3f5 irq 6 drq 2 on acpi0 fdc0: ic_type 90 part_id 73 ioapic0: routing intpin 6 (ISA IRQ 6) to vector 55 fdc0: [FILTER] fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 sio0: irq maps: 0x4801 0x4811 0x4801 0x4801 sio0: irq maps: 0x4801 0x4811 0x4801 0x4801 sio0: <16550A-compatible COM port> port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on acpi0 sio0: type 16550A ioapic0: routing intpin 4 (ISA IRQ 4) to vector 56 sio0: [FILTER] cpu0: on acpi0 cpu0: switching to generic Cx mode p4tcc0: on cpu0 cpu1: on acpi0 p4tcc1: on cpu1 unknown: status reg test failed ff unknown: status reg test failed ff unknown: status reg test failed ff unknown: status reg test failed ff unknown: status reg test failed ff unknown: status reg test failed ff ahc_isa_probe 0: ioport 0xc00 alloc failed ex_isa_identify() ata: ata0 already exists; skipping it ata: ata1 already exists; skipping it fdc: fdc0 already exists; skipping it sio: sio0 already exists; skipping it pnp_identify: Trying Read_Port at 203 pnp_identify: Trying Read_Port at 243 pnp_identify: Trying Read_Port at 283 pnp_identify: Trying Read_Port at 2c3 pnp_identify: Trying Read_Port at 303 pnp_identify: Trying Read_Port at 343 pnp_identify: Trying Read_Port at 383 pnp_identify: Trying Read_Port at 3c3 PNP Identify complete sc: sc0 already exists; skipping it vga: vga0 already exists; skipping it isa_probe_children: disabling PnP devices isa_probe_children: probing non-PnP devices pmtimer0 on isa0 orm0: at iomem 0xc0000-0xc7fff,0xc8000-0xc97ff pnpid ORM0000 on isa0 adv0: not probed (disabled) aha0: not probed (disabled) aic0: not probed (disabled) atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 atkbd: the current kbd controller command byte 0065 atkbd: keyboard ID 0xffffffff (1) atkbd: failed to reset the keyboard. kbd0 at atkbd0 kbd0: atkbd0, AT 84 (1), config:0x0, flags:0x3d0000 ioapic0: routing intpin 1 (ISA IRQ 1) to vector 57 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] atkbd0: [ITHREAD] psm0: current command byte:0065 psm0: failed to reset the aux device. bt0: not probed (disabled) cs0: not probed (disabled) ed0: not probed (disabled) fe0: not probed (disabled) ie0: not probed (disabled) le0: not probed (disabled) ppc0: parallel port not found. ppc0: failed to probe at irq 7 on isa0 sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> sc0: fb0, kbd1, terminal emulator: sc (syscons terminal) sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio1: port may not be enabled sio1: irq maps: 0x4801 0x4801 0x4801 0x4801 sio1: probe failed test(s): 0 1 2 4 6 7 9 sio1 failed to probe at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa0 sio2: not probed (disabled) sio3: not probed (disabled) sn0: not probed (disabled) vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 vt0: not probed (disabled) isa_probe_children: probing PnP devices ums0: on uhub0 ums0: 3 buttons and Z dir. ukbd0: on uhub0 kbd2 at ukbd0 kbd2: ukbd0, generic (0), config:0x0, flags:0x3d0000 ums1: on uhub0 ums1: 8 buttons and Z dir. Device configuration finished. Reducing kern.maxvnodes 134098 -> 100000 procfs registered lapic: Divisor 2, Frequency 66521798 hz Timecounter "TSC" frequency 2793915192 Hz quality -100 Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec lo0: bpf attached hptrr: no controller detected. ata0-master: pio=PIO4 wdma=WDMA2 udma=UDMA33 cable=40 wire acd0: setting PIO4 on CSB5 chip acd0: setting UDMA33 on CSB5 chip acd0: CDROM drive at ata0 as master acd0: read 4134KB/s (4134KB/s), 128KB buffer, UDMA33 acd0: Reads: CDR, CDRW, CDDA stream, packet acd0: Writes: acd0: Audio: play, 256 volume levels acd0: Mechanism: ejectable tray, unlocked acd0: Medium: no/blank disc ips0: resetting adapter, this may take up to 5 minutes ips0: adapter type: ServeRAID 6i (sebring) ips0: logical drives: 1 ips0: Logical Drive 0: RAID5 sectors: 213288960, state OK ipsd0: on ips0 ipsd0: Logical Drive (104145MB) ATA PseudoRAID loaded SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! cpu1 AP: ID: 0x06000000 VER: 0x00050014 LDR: 0x00000000 DFR: 0xffffffff lint0: 0x00010700 lint1: 0x00000400 TPR: 0x00000000 SVR: 0x000001ff timer: 0x000200ef therm: 0x00010000 err: 0x00010000 pcm: 0x00010000 ioapic0: Assigning ISA IRQ 1 to local APIC 0 ioapic0: Assigning ISA IRQ 4 to local APIC 6 ioapic0: Assigning ISA IRQ 6 to local APIC 0 ioapic0: Assigning ISA IRQ 7 to local APIC 6 ioapic0: Assigning ISA IRQ 11 to local APIC 0 ioapic0: Assigning ISA IRQ 14 to local APIC 6 ioapic0: Assigning ISA IRQ 15 to local APIC 0 ioapic1: Assigning PCI IRQ 18 to local APIC 6 ioapic1: Assigning PCI IRQ 29 to local APIC 0 ioapic1: Assigning PCI IRQ 30 to local APIC 6 GEOM: new disk ipsd0 GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ipsd0s1 is ufsid/4a2194d5145e8ebf. GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ipsd0s3d is ufsid/4a2194dc937da73e. GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ipsd0s3e is ufsid/4a2194d56580c185. GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ipsd0s3f is ufsid/4a2194d618b6e472. Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ipsd0s1a start_init: trying /sbin/init GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a2194d5145e8ebf removed. GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ipsd0s1 is ufsid/4a2194d5145e8ebf. GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a2194d56580c185 removed. GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ipsd0s3e is ufsid/4a2194d56580c185. GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a2194d618b6e472 removed. GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ipsd0s3f is ufsid/4a2194d618b6e472. GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a2194dc937da73e removed. GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider ipsd0s3d is ufsid/4a2194dc937da73e. GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a2194d5145e8ebf removed. GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a2194d56580c185 removed. GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a2194d618b6e472 removed. GEOM_LABEL: Label ufsid/4a2194dc937da73e removed. em1: Link is up 100 Mbps Full Duplex em0: Link is up 1000 Mbps Full Duplex ukbd0: at uhub0 port 3 (addr 3) disconnected ukbd0: detached ums1: at uhub0 port 3 (addr 3) disconnected ums1: detached t_delta 15.fefcbbd571062e80 too short -- _ Chris Nicholls ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) Timico Network Operations - against HTML, vCards and X chris@timico.net - proprietary attachments in e-mail / \ From kline at thought.org Mon Jun 1 21:36:18 2009 From: kline at thought.org (Gary Kline) Date: Mon Jun 1 21:36:25 2009 Subject: is there a program to joinlines? Message-ID: <20090601213610.GA13395@thought.org> I recently discovered it is a "good thing" to use a utility of some kind to joing the lines of a vi/vim-created file before using my ascii-to-markup program. I have a trivial program that I use that is essential beforedumping my file into OOo. Is there another way? gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 4.91a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From slogster at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 21:37:05 2009 From: slogster at gmail.com (Momchil Ivanov) Date: Mon Jun 1 21:37:12 2009 Subject: top view different screens Message-ID: <200906012300.43296.slogster@gmail.com> Hi, how can I view the second and third screens in top? Is it possible? Thanks, Momchil From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Mon Jun 1 21:48:54 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Mon Jun 1 21:49:01 2009 Subject: is there a program to joinlines? In-Reply-To: <20090601213610.GA13395@thought.org> References: <20090601213610.GA13395@thought.org> Message-ID: > I recently discovered it is a "good thing" to use a utility of some kind > to joing the lines of a vi/vim-created file before using my you mean getting one line from line file+line one from other file and producing one line of output containing both man paste :) From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Mon Jun 1 21:50:10 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Mon Jun 1 21:50:18 2009 Subject: IBM x345 Dual 2.8Ghz Xeon poor performance In-Reply-To: <20090601185419.GA92199@atsuko> References: <20090601185419.GA92199@atsuko> Message-ID: > I recently aquired and IBM eServer x345, which is taking up to 12 hours > to build a kernel! sorry if it's stupod question but do you have softupdates enabled? > I've spent quite a bit of spare time trawling archives > etc for any hints to the reason why. > > Initally I thought it was the disks causing the problem, but the general > usage of the machine and disk I/O is pretty snappy just seems to be CPU > intensive operations where things seem to lag. caches disabled? From nvass9573 at gmx.com Mon Jun 1 22:07:04 2009 From: nvass9573 at gmx.com (Nikos Vassiliadis) Date: Mon Jun 1 22:07:11 2009 Subject: is there a program to joinlines? In-Reply-To: References: <20090601213610.GA13395@thought.org> Message-ID: <4A2450BF.4070802@gmx.com> Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> I recently discovered it is a "good thing" to use a utility of >> some kind >> to joing the lines of a vi/vim-created file before using my > > you mean getting one line from line file+line one from other file and > producing one line of output containing both > > man paste > :) I think he means join all lines from a single file, to produce a single-line file. In this case, you should translate the \n character to space: tr '\n' ' ' < /etc/motd You could also use: echo `tr '\n' ' ' < /etc/motd` which will add a final \n, to avoid the funny looking output of a text file with no \n at the end. Nikos From pschmehl_lists at tx.rr.com Mon Jun 1 22:28:45 2009 From: pschmehl_lists at tx.rr.com (Paul Schmehl) Date: Mon Jun 1 22:28:51 2009 Subject: What's wrong with this picture? In-Reply-To: <20090601184611.GB68446@kokopelli.hydra> References: <20090530160540.C5BCD106575F@hub.freebsd.org> <20090531142921.B65025@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <1243809390.6672.17.camel@ubuntu> <20090601184611.GB68446@kokopelli.hydra> Message-ID: --On Monday, June 01, 2009 13:46:11 -0500 Chad Perrin wrote: > On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 02:03:19AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >> so you like to moderate me, being against moderation > > I think GT would like you to moderate yourself, as would I. Moderation is available to anyone who wants it. It's called filtering. Yours is the first of these I've seen in quite some time - which means I need to tweak my filters a bit. Mr. Puchar's posts no longer bother me. I suggest you do the same. -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* Check the headers before clicking on Reply. From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Mon Jun 1 22:37:28 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Mon Jun 1 22:37:38 2009 Subject: What's wrong with this picture? In-Reply-To: References: <20090530160540.C5BCD106575F@hub.freebsd.org> <20090531142921.B65025@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <1243809390.6672.17.camel@ubuntu> <20090601184611.GB68446@kokopelli.hydra> Message-ID: exactly On Mon, 1 Jun 2009, Paul Schmehl wrote: > --On Monday, June 01, 2009 13:46:11 -0500 Chad Perrin > wrote: > >> On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 02:03:19AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> >>> so you like to moderate me, being against moderation >> >> I think GT would like you to moderate yourself, as would I. > > Moderation is available to anyone who wants it. It's called filtering. > Yours is the first of these I've seen in quite some time - which means I need > to tweak my filters a bit. Mr. Puchar's posts no longer bother me. I > suggest you do the same. > > -- > Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst > As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions > are my own and not those of my employer. > ******************************************* > Check the headers before clicking on Reply. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From kline at thought.org Mon Jun 1 22:55:40 2009 From: kline at thought.org (Gary Kline) Date: Mon Jun 1 22:55:46 2009 Subject: is there a program to joinlines? In-Reply-To: <4A2450BF.4070802@gmx.com> References: <20090601213610.GA13395@thought.org> <4A2450BF.4070802@gmx.com> Message-ID: <20090601225534.GA13614@thought.org> On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 01:05:51AM +0300, Nikos Vassiliadis wrote: > Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> I recently discovered it is a "good thing" to use a utility of > >>some kind > >> to joing the lines of a vi/vim-created file before using my > > > >you mean getting one line from line file+line one from other file and > >producing one line of output containing both > > > >man paste > >:) > > I think he means join all lines from a single file, > to produce a single-line file. In this case, you > should translate the \n character to space: > tr '\n' ' ' < /etc/motd > > You could also use: > echo `tr '\n' ' ' < /etc/motd` > which will add a final \n, to avoid the funny looking > output of a text file with no \n at the end. > > Nikos You got it, Nikos. I wrote a C prog that cuts the '\n' and replaces it with a blank. The tr stuff is too much typing:) thanks, you guys. gary PS: If atom ever gets ported, maybe a 'J' switch should automate what jlines jasciifile does. Suggestions? (i'm asking because i found there were billions and billions of places in my 150K+ story and using jlines makes it a bit simpler. ---At least in english, there are rules for how you quote something over paragraphs if the speaker/quote is the same...... PPS: *NOw* i'm starting to realize why OOo is so huge!! PPPS: i will make available several chapters of my geek novel to the readers of the list online... . > -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 4.91a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From lenzi at k1.com.br Tue Jun 2 01:28:16 2009 From: lenzi at k1.com.br (Sergio de Almeida Lenzi) Date: Tue Jun 2 01:28:23 2009 Subject: openoffice.org-3.01 packages available (i386) Message-ID: <1243904814.59343.2.camel@localhost> Hello, I have the package for openoffice 3.2m49 for the FreeBSD 7.2/amd64 available for the languages EN and pt_BR in UTF-8, with full support for cups. If you are interested, I can upload the package (120Mb) in the tinderbox. I think it is interesting for the FreeBSD community, as with this port, FreeBSD is much ahead then the Linux office package Thanks for your attention, Sergio From kyle.g18 at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 03:38:17 2009 From: kyle.g18 at gmail.com (Kyle Grieb) Date: Tue Jun 2 03:38:31 2009 Subject: JDK US DST Timezone Update Tool - 1.3.12 Message-ID: <20090602033810.GA1232@Buglouse.Sytes.net> I get a dead link from [http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index.jsp] to download the required file [tzupdater-1_3_12-2009a.zip]. This is a dep for 'ftp/jftp'. Google has failed me. -- ~ ##The United States of America is a Slave Nation## ##The Human race is a Slave race## !!InfoWars.com!! From m.seaman at infracaninophile.co.uk Tue Jun 2 05:44:04 2009 From: m.seaman at infracaninophile.co.uk (Matthew Seaman) Date: Tue Jun 2 05:44:11 2009 Subject: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail In-Reply-To: References: <1F9F36FCD9644D4683DADAF7DD62B412@john> <200905272209.28550.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Message-ID: <4A24BC17.7000207@infracaninophile.co.uk> Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> I just had my first answer to this setup. only roughly 5% of the >> volume of > > on what planet do You live? really at least 80% of mail that comes to my > servers are spam. spamassassin deletes far over 95% of it fortunately. It takes a few weeks before the spammers become aware of a brand new mail system -- you have to send e-mail from the system before they can harvest your addresses and start trying to sell you dubious pharmaceuticals. Look on it as a grace period where you can get your anti-spam defenses into shape before the real onslaught begins. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 259 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/attachments/20090602/76338cfd/signature.pgp From m.seaman at infracaninophile.co.uk Tue Jun 2 05:50:42 2009 From: m.seaman at infracaninophile.co.uk (Matthew Seaman) Date: Tue Jun 2 05:50:49 2009 Subject: top view different screens In-Reply-To: <200906012300.43296.slogster@gmail.com> References: <200906012300.43296.slogster@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A24BDAA.4030503@infracaninophile.co.uk> Momchil Ivanov wrote: > how can I view the second and third screens in top? Is it possible? Ah, now for that you'ld have to use middle(1) and bottom(1), Unfortunately no one has written them yet... Seriously though: you can run top in an xterm and make the window as tall as you can bear, you can filter the top output by username, turn the display of idle processes on or off, sort the output order by any of the columns shown, or else you can forget top(1) entirely and use ps(1) to examine the whole process list. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 259 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/attachments/20090602/cae7eea7/signature.pgp From masoom.shaikh at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 06:47:23 2009 From: masoom.shaikh at gmail.com (Masoom Shaikh) Date: Tue Jun 2 06:47:31 2009 Subject: openoffice.org-3.01 packages available (i386) In-Reply-To: <1243904814.59343.2.camel@localhost> References: <1243904814.59343.2.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 6:36 AM, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote: > > Hello, > > I have the package for openoffice 3.2m49 for the FreeBSD 7.2/amd64 > available for the languages EN and pt_BR in UTF-8, with > full support for cups. > > If you are interested, I can upload the package (120Mb) in the > tinderbox. please do that > > I think it is interesting for the FreeBSD community, as > with this port, FreeBSD is much ahead then the Linux office package if it is, it is because of people like you, thanks Sergio > > ?Thanks for your attention, > > > Sergio > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" OOo just does not make sense to compile from source unless development environment is needed. I compiled it last time and it took so long that I felt I have wasted my time and computing power for almost same result as pkg_add of pre-built binaries. From georg at dts.su Tue Jun 2 06:51:15 2009 From: georg at dts.su (georg@dts.su) Date: Tue Jun 2 06:51:22 2009 Subject: fatal trap 12 Message-ID: <1523133717.20090602100847@dts.su> Hello, Freebsd-questions. I use FreeBSD 7.2-STABLE amd64. About month ago system was crashed with "Fatal trap 12"... I bay new hardware and install new FreeBSD 7.2-STABLE amd64. cPanel and ASSP (anti spam proxy). And one a day or two days have this: Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode cpuid: = 0; apic id = 00 fault virtual address = 0x8000000000 fault code = supervisor write data, page not present instruction pointer = 0x8:0xffffffff8018b839 stack pointer = 0x10:0xffffff807a25d190 frame pointer = 0x10:0xea5f code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, long 1, def32 0, gran 1 processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 current process = 59397 (perl5.10.0) trap number = 12 And alway, after crash, I see "current process = perl5.10.0"... Can You help me? -- Regards, mailto:georg@dts.su Yura From utisoft at googlemail.com Tue Jun 2 07:37:08 2009 From: utisoft at googlemail.com (Chris Rees) Date: Tue Jun 2 07:37:15 2009 Subject: openoffice.org-3.01 packages available (i386) In-Reply-To: References: <1243904814.59343.2.camel@localhost> Message-ID: 2009/6/2 Masoom Shaikh : > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 6:36 AM, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> I have the package for openoffice 3.2m49 for the FreeBSD 7.2/amd64 >> available for the languages EN and pt_BR in UTF-8, with >> full support for cups. >> >> If you are interested, I can upload the package (120Mb) in the >> tinderbox. > > please do that > >> >> I think it is interesting for the FreeBSD community, as >> with this port, FreeBSD is much ahead then the Linux office package > > if it is, it is because of people like you, thanks Sergio > >> >> ?Thanks for your attention, >> >> >> Sergio >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > OOo just does not make sense to compile from source unless development > environment is needed. I compiled it last time and it took so long > that I felt I have wasted my time and computing power for almost same > result as pkg_add of pre-built binaries. Couldn't agree more. You know it's like that when even the Gentoo people have a binary package for it ;) Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From norgaard at locolomo.org Tue Jun 2 08:42:29 2009 From: norgaard at locolomo.org (Erik Norgaard) Date: Tue Jun 2 08:42:36 2009 Subject: migrating berkeley DBs (4.3 to 4.6) In-Reply-To: <4A238B4D.9050801@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <4A2284D6.2080304@locolomo.org> <4A238B4D.9050801@infracaninophile.co.uk> Message-ID: <4A24E5F2.7070909@locolomo.org> Matthew Seaman wrote: > Erik Norgaard wrote: > >> I have cyrus-imapd 2.3 with Berkeley DB 4.3 and openldap also compiled >> with BDB 4.3. >> >> Now, openldap won't build with 4.3 and defaults to 4.6 so I need to >> migrate my data, and I would like to migrate my cyrus-imapd also to a >> newer version of BDB. >> >> Are there any tools or tricks for doing this? >> >> The BDB v4.4 port refers to a compatibility page maintained at >> sleepycat, but this is now redirected to Oracle and I find no such >> information. Any page listing the db file compatibility? > > Yes -- I believe BDB 4.3 and 4.6 aren't binary compatible it seems. > > For the special case of cyrus-imapd you should use cvt_cyrusdb(8) to > dump out the contents of cyrus DB files to ascii, update everything, and > then use cvt_cyrusdb to reload the data. Thanks, it doesn't seem that you can use this tool to convert from one version of BDB to another: alpha$ /usr/local/cyrus/bin/cvt_cyrusdb Usage: /usr/local/cyrus/bin/cvt_cyrusdb [-C altconfig] Usable Backends: berkeley, berkeley-nosync, berkeley-hash, berkeley-hash-nosync, flat, skiplist, quotalegacy So, I can restructure but not upgrade... It doesn't seem like other tools are provided with cyrus-imapd. I took a look on the files in my imap-dir, and it's a mess. Maybe the strategy would be to setup two servers and transfer mail one by one. Anyone got experience with this? Thanks, Erik -- Erik N?rgaard Ph: +34.666334818/+34.915211157 http://www.locolomo.org From bsam at ipt.ru Tue Jun 2 09:13:48 2009 From: bsam at ipt.ru (Boris Samorodov) Date: Tue Jun 2 09:13:56 2009 Subject: IBM x345 Dual 2.8Ghz Xeon poor performance In-Reply-To: <20090601185419.GA92199@atsuko> (Chris Nicholls's message of "Mon\, 1 Jun 2009 19\:54\:20 +0100") References: <20090601185419.GA92199@atsuko> Message-ID: <54837285@bb.ipt.ru> On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 19:54:20 +0100 Chris Nicholls wrote: > I recently aquired and IBM eServer x345, which is taking up to 12 hours > to build a kernel! I've spent quite a bit of spare time trawling archives > etc for any hints to the reason why. I've got mothing similar with my Intel server. Then it was a memory bank to blame. The server has been fine after replacing that bank. WBR -- Boris Samorodov (bsam) Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone & Internet SP FreeBSD Committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve From sonicy at otenet.gr Tue Jun 2 09:56:33 2009 From: sonicy at otenet.gr (Manolis Kiagias) Date: Tue Jun 2 09:56:41 2009 Subject: openoffice.org-3.01 packages available (i386) In-Reply-To: <1243904814.59343.2.camel@localhost> References: <1243904814.59343.2.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <4A24F74D.3020207@otenet.gr> Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote: > Hello, > > I have the package for openoffice 3.2m49 for the FreeBSD 7.2/amd64 > available for the languages EN and pt_BR in UTF-8, with > full support for cups. > > If you are interested, I can upload the package (120Mb) in the > tinderbox. > > I think it is interesting for the FreeBSD community, as > with this port, FreeBSD is much ahead then the Linux office package > > Thanks for your attention, > > > Sergio > Thank you Sergio! I currently don't have a suitable machine to run 64bit package builds, so my packages are currently limited to the i386 versions. If you have enough space and bandwidth to upload this somewhere please do. Otherwise, hopefully Glen Barber may be able to assist ;) From mexas at bristol.ac.uk Tue Jun 2 10:06:37 2009 From: mexas at bristol.ac.uk (Anton Shterenlikht) Date: Tue Jun 2 10:06:44 2009 Subject: sshd: Did not receive identification string from xx.xx.xx.xx Message-ID: <20090602095443.GA10694@mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk> Could somebody point me to a relevant sshd documentation where the cause of these rejection messages is explained: sshd: Did not receive identification string from xx.xx.xx.xx The user is trying to connect from some MS ssh client and gets timeout. I get the above message in the logs. I just could not find anything relevant in the docs or on the net. many thanks anton -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Tue Jun 2 10:51:28 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Tue Jun 2 10:51:36 2009 Subject: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail In-Reply-To: <4A24BC17.7000207@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <1F9F36FCD9644D4683DADAF7DD62B412@john> <200905272209.28550.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <4A24BC17.7000207@infracaninophile.co.uk> Message-ID: >> on what planet do You live? really at least 80% of mail that comes to my >> servers are spam. spamassassin deletes far over 95% of it fortunately. > > It takes a few weeks before the spammers become aware of a brand new mail > system -- you have to send e-mail from the system before they can harvest > your addresses and start trying to sell you dubious pharmaceuticals. Look on Users of your mail service will help them very well. For example sending christmas greets using CC: instead of Bcc: From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Tue Jun 2 10:53:00 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Tue Jun 2 10:53:06 2009 Subject: openoffice.org-3.01 packages available (i386) In-Reply-To: <1243904814.59343.2.camel@localhost> References: <1243904814.59343.2.camel@localhost> Message-ID: > I have the package for openoffice 3.2m49 for the FreeBSD 7.2/amd64 > available for the languages EN and pt_BR in UTF-8, with > full support for cups. > > If you are interested, I can upload the package (120Mb) in the > tinderbox. > > I think it is interesting for the FreeBSD community, as > with this port, FreeBSD is much ahead then the Linux office package I don't understand why it's ahead, or behind or whatever. Just good you made read to use openoffice binary package. Those who needs openoffice program will say thanks. Those who rarely needs openoffice will say too - including me. thanks! From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Tue Jun 2 10:54:53 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Tue Jun 2 10:55:04 2009 Subject: IBM x345 Dual 2.8Ghz Xeon poor performance In-Reply-To: <54837285@bb.ipt.ru> References: <20090601185419.GA92199@atsuko> <54837285@bb.ipt.ru> Message-ID: >> to build a kernel! I've spent quite a bit of spare time trawling archives >> etc for any hints to the reason why. > > I've got mothing similar with my Intel server. Then it was a memory > bank to blame. The server has been fine after replacing that bank. with no ECC machine it would simply crash. With ECC - it was probably constantly doing ECC that's why it was damn slow. anyway - can hardware give any info for OS about how often ECC corrects errors? From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Tue Jun 2 10:55:42 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Tue Jun 2 10:55:55 2009 Subject: sshd: Did not receive identification string from xx.xx.xx.xx In-Reply-To: <20090602095443.GA10694@mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk> References: <20090602095443.GA10694@mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk> Message-ID: > Could somebody point me to a relevant sshd documentation where > the cause of these rejection messages is explained: > > sshd: Did not receive identification string from xx.xx.xx.xx it's not rejection. sshd waited waited and didn't got next think it should It may be ssh windows client bug or just connectivity problem. From guru at unixarea.de Tue Jun 2 11:01:34 2009 From: guru at unixarea.de (Matthias Apitz) Date: Tue Jun 2 11:01:40 2009 Subject: openoffice.org-3.01 packages available (i386) In-Reply-To: References: <1243904814.59343.2.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20090602110126.GA3298@current.Sisis.de> El d?a Tuesday, June 02, 2009 a las 12:52:50PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar escribi?: > >I have the package for openoffice 3.2m49 for the FreeBSD 7.2/amd64 > >available for the languages EN and pt_BR in UTF-8, with > >full support for cups. > > > >If you are interested, I can upload the package (120Mb) in the > >tinderbox. > > > >I think it is interesting for the FreeBSD community, as > >with this port, FreeBSD is much ahead then the Linux office package > > I don't understand why it's ahead, or behind or whatever. > Just good you made read to use openoffice binary package. > > Those who needs openoffice program will say thanks. Those who rarely needs > openoffice will say too - including me. thanks! I'd like to give this a try as well on 8-CURRENT; for the moment I have my own compiled from the ports as: $ pkg_info | fgrep openoffice es-openoffice.org-3.2.20090412 Integrated wordprocessor/dbase/spreadsheet/drawing/chart/br which works fine, but on quit it crashes while closing the display, which could also be a bug in X11 libs or even in CURRENT; that's why I'd like to try it with your pkg; matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ People who hate Microsoft Windows use Linux but people who love UNIX use FreeBSD. From chris at timico.net Tue Jun 2 11:02:25 2009 From: chris at timico.net (Chris Nicholls) Date: Tue Jun 2 11:02:32 2009 Subject: IBM x345 Dual 2.8Ghz Xeon poor performance In-Reply-To: References: <20090601185419.GA92199@atsuko> Message-ID: <20090602110143.GE33990@atsuko> On Monday, 1 June 2009 at K:49:59 +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >I recently aquired and IBM eServer x345, which is taking up to 12 hours > >to build a kernel! > > sorry if it's stupod question but do you have softupdates enabled? > Yeah, enabled > >I've spent quite a bit of spare time trawling archives > >etc for any hints to the reason why. > > > >Initally I thought it was the disks causing the problem, but the general > >usage of the machine and disk I/O is pretty snappy just seems to be CPU > >intensive operations where things seem to lag. > > caches disabled? Disk I/O seems fine, and i'm getting good rates when testing with dd and iostat, gstat show what i'd expect. I Initally thought it was the disks but that was due to issues with getting the RAID controller working correctlly which was sovled with the use if the IBM RAID tools cd. Regards -- _ Chris Nicholls ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) Timico Network Operations - against HTML, vCards and X chris@timico.net - proprietary attachments in e-mail / \ From utisoft at googlemail.com Tue Jun 2 11:55:37 2009 From: utisoft at googlemail.com (Chris Rees) Date: Tue Jun 2 11:55:45 2009 Subject: var socket in random directories Message-ID: OK, so does anyone know why I get a socket called 'var' randomly appearing in directories? I always use ls -F, and it turns up as var=, as can be seen in my ports directory. [chris@amnesiac]~% cd /usr/ports/ [chris@amnesiac]/usr/ports% ls CHANGES arabic/ finance/ multimedia/ textproc/ COPYRIGHT archivers/ french/ net/ ukrainian/ GIDs astro/ ftp/ net-im/ var= INDEX-7 audio/ games/ net-mgmt/ vietnamese/ INDEX-7.bz2 benchmarks/ german/ net-p2p/ www/ INDEX-7.db biology/ graphics/ news/ x11/ KNOBS cad/ hebrew/ packages/ x11-clocks/ LEGAL chinese/ hungarian/ palm/ x11-drivers/ MOVED comms/ irc/ polish/ x11-fm/ Makefile converters/ japanese/ ports-mgmt/ x11-fonts/ Mk/ databases/ java/ portuguese/ x11-servers/ README deskutils/ korean/ print/ x11-themes/ Templates/ devel/ lang/ russian/ x11-toolkits/ Tools/ distfiles/ mail/ science/ x11-wm/ UIDs dns/ math/ security/ UPDATING editors/ mbone/ shells/ accessibility/ emulators/ misc/ sysutils/ [chris@amnesiac]/usr/ports% [chris@amnesiac]/usr/ports% uname -a FreeBSD amnesiac.bayofrum.net 7.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE #1: Sun May 3 21:54:38 BST 2009 root@amnesiac.bayofrum.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/AMNESIAC i386 [chris@amnesiac]/usr/ports% I have an inkling it may be due to openldap, any ideas? Any ideas? Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From chris at timico.net Tue Jun 2 11:56:42 2009 From: chris at timico.net (Chris Nicholls) Date: Tue Jun 2 11:56:48 2009 Subject: IBM x345 Dual 2.8Ghz Xeon poor performance In-Reply-To: References: <20090601185419.GA92199@atsuko> <54837285@bb.ipt.ru> Message-ID: <20090602115602.GA29137@atsuko> On Tuesday, 2 June 2009 at K:54:43 +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>to build a kernel! I've spent quite a bit of spare time trawling archives > >>etc for any hints to the reason why. > > > >I've got mothing similar with my Intel server. Then it was a memory > >bank to blame. The server has been fine after replacing that bank. > > with no ECC machine it would simply crash. With ECC - it was probably > constantly doing ECC that's why it was damn slow. > > anyway - can hardware give any info for OS about how often ECC corrects > errors? This feels like the right track, I'll run memtest86 on it later tonight. Regards -- _ Chris Nicholls ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) Timico Network Operations - against HTML, vCards and X chris@timico.net - proprietary attachments in e-mail / \ From freebsd-questions-local at be-well.ilk.org Tue Jun 2 12:04:00 2009 From: freebsd-questions-local at be-well.ilk.org (Lowell Gilbert) Date: Tue Jun 2 12:04:08 2009 Subject: JDK US DST Timezone Update Tool - 1.3.12 In-Reply-To: <20090602033810.GA1232@Buglouse.Sytes.net> (Kyle Grieb's message of "Mon\, 1 Jun 2009 22\:38\:12 -0500") References: <20090602033810.GA1232@Buglouse.Sytes.net> Message-ID: <44r5y2hmfq.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> Kyle Grieb writes: > I get a dead link from [http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index.jsp] to download the required file [tzupdater-1_3_12-2009a.zip]. It's up to /usr/ports/distfiles/tzupdater-1_3_15-2009g.zip now. You need to update your ports. -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ From kenneth.hatteland at kleppnett.no Tue Jun 2 12:32:08 2009 From: kenneth.hatteland at kleppnett.no (kenneth hatteland) Date: Tue Jun 2 12:32:16 2009 Subject: JDK US DST Timezone Update Tool - 1.3.12 Message-ID: <4A251BB5.6040904@kleppnett.no> I have had the same problem when trying to compile OO this weekend. it is still unavailable. I have just noticed Sun about the problem and hopefully within a reasonable amount of time we have the tze tool back online Kenneth From mail25 at bzerk.org Tue Jun 2 12:40:30 2009 From: mail25 at bzerk.org (Ruben de Groot) Date: Tue Jun 2 12:40:40 2009 Subject: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) In-Reply-To: References: <4ad871310905270944s43c052b3he419d732fd3be606@mail.gmail.com> <4A1D7764.1060104@otenet.gr> <752e2b0b5bcdacec2fb767357964af98.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <20090527220819.GA55127@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Message-ID: <20090602124023.GA53857@ei.bzerk.org> On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 01:08:30AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar typed: > > >I still cannot understand why you - an active, experienced and > >knowledgeable FBSD user - would want to scare off potential donors for the > > once again please reread that post. it wasn't even potential donor, but > potential advert buyer. But if i'm really wrong, i will mail him and say > that he can buy advert on FreeBSD webpage for 100$. I just re-read it. >>>1. Monthly sponsoring of around 50 to 100 USD That's *monthly*. It's not insubstantial as you keep implying, and it even shows commitment, not a one-time shot. Hardly spam in my book. >>>What we ask for in return for our sponsorships is a short mentioning on the site somewhere with a link to our website. They don't want an advert but a link. That's what you get for 5000 USD/year on http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml So, instead of being pissed on, they might have been persuaded to pay a little more, get their link and help the project as a whole. Missed opportunity. From martinbadie at yahoo.com Tue Jun 2 13:15:43 2009 From: martinbadie at yahoo.com (Martin Badie) Date: Tue Jun 2 13:15:50 2009 Subject: a binary package update In-Reply-To: <20090601190139.37ae524a.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <726041.18476.qm@web59916.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20090601190139.37ae524a.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: <754382.65193.qm@web59907.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hi, I have package-1.0 installed and want to update to package-2.0 using package-2.0.tbz package file. This binary package is at /var/tmp/packages/All. I have no /usr/ports directory export PKG_PATH=/var/tmp/packages/All export PKG_FETCH=/usr/bin/false portupgrade -PP postgresql-server ** Port directory not found: databases/postgresql83-server ** Listing the failed packages (-:ignored / *:skipped / !:failed) - databases/postgresql83-server (port directory error) Do I need to have /usr/ports/ installed on that system? I just want to upgrade to package-2.0.tbz without having anything related to Ports ( /usr/ports) on my systems? Just like a rpm -Uhv package-2.0.rpm on Linux. Can someone enlighten me on how to do that with portupgrade? Or maybe with another tool on FreeBSD? Regards. ________________________________ From: Polytropon To: Martin Badie Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Monday, June 1, 2009 8:01:39 PM Subject: Re: a binary package update On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 02:03:10 -0700 (PDT), Martin Badie wrote: > Hi, > > How can I update a pre-compiled package [...] You cannot update a pre-compiled package, you can only overwrite or replace the package (tbz file). However, you can update an installed port or package; in most cases, it doesn't even matter if you installed from a port or from a package. > [...] for example I have a package-1.0.tbz and I have downloaded > package-2.0.tbz. What I want is to update a installed 1.0 package > to 2.0 without internet connection. Is is relatively easy, but you need to make sure first that you have all the dependencies for package-2.0, for example libdep-1.3, depend-3.2.1 and libfoo-0.22.7. You first need to fetch them. Now a question: The system that has internet access: Do you want to install the new packages there, too? > I have portupgrade-2.4.6_2,2 > installed on my system. If you answered the question with "yes", then portupgrade can do it for you. Simply update package-1.0 to package-2.0 and let portupgrade create packages (-p). You can then transfer those packages to the other system which can't fetch them by itself. But if you answered "no", the task would be as follows: Get the newest version of a package along with all those packages this new version depends on. In order to do so, you may use the simple (and ugly) shell script I attached. It uses pkg_add to fetch those packages, but it does NOT install anything. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From twelcome at mobileemail.vodafonesa.co.za Tue Jun 2 13:48:17 2009 From: twelcome at mobileemail.vodafonesa.co.za (twelcome@mobileemail.vodafonesa.co.za) Date: Tue Jun 2 13:48:24 2009 Subject: JDK US DST Timezone Update Tool - 1.3.12 Message-ID: <1494314171-1243948776-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-9951010-@bxe1035.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> I managed to work around this by plugging the package name into google and downloading it from non-Sun sites. ------Original Message------ From: kenneth hatteland Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org Sent: Jun 2, 2009 2:31 PM Subject: re: JDK US DST Timezone Update Tool - 1.3.12 I have had the same problem when trying to compile OO this weekend. it is still unavailable. I have just noticed Sun about the problem and hopefully within a reasonable amount of time we have the tze tool back online Kenneth _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! From matti.k at bigpond.net.au Tue Jun 2 13:52:55 2009 From: matti.k at bigpond.net.au (matti k) Date: Tue Jun 2 13:53:52 2009 Subject: Stop in /usr/ports/lang/gcc43 In-Reply-To: <4A241E69.3040903@eskk.nu> References: <4A191A51.1070905@eskk.nu> <4A1F64CF.1020206@eskk.nu> <4A1F6BBE.6060602@eskk.nu> <4A1FAC1A.9000508@eskk.nu> <4A203231.5010408@eskk.nu> <4A2418A6.7000100@eskk.nu> <20090601181241.GA11206@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <4A241C3C.6050202@eskk.nu> <4A241E69.3040903@eskk.nu> Message-ID: <20090602215953.0a9d5f20@platypus.freebsd.home> On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 20:31:05 +0200 Leslie Jensen wrote: > > Leslie Jensen wrote: > > > > > > David Kelly wrote: > >> On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 08:06:30PM +0200, Leslie Jensen wrote: > >>> > >>> I can't get gcc43 to compile. I've deinstalled and reinstalled > >>> all its dependencies but it still fails. > >>> > >>> I'm on a 7.2-RELEASE system with all ports installed from a clean > >>> install. > >>> > >>> The problem turned up when an update for fftw3 became available. > >>> > >>> Apparently gcc43 is a new dependency for fftw3! > >>> > >>> Any hints appreciated > >> > >> Add this to /etc/make.conf. Worked for me: > >> > >> WITHOUT_JAVA=1 > >> > >> Apparently to build Java one has to increase the size of some > >> tables in the kernel. I'd just as soon do without Java. > >> > > > > It does not work here :-( > > / > > I also have this in my /boot/loader.conf but it makes no difference. > > kern.maxdsiz="734003200" > Try with this? kern.dfldsiz="1073741824" kern.maxdsiz="734003200" Cheers, Matti From rgarcia31 at verizon.net Tue Jun 2 14:33:20 2009 From: rgarcia31 at verizon.net (Rafael E Garcia) Date: Tue Jun 2 14:33:27 2009 Subject: HandbooK-Free BSD Message-ID: Gentlemen Please How I can copy the Free BSD Handbook in my computer? Any Sugestion will be apreciate. Thank you.... Rafael E Garcia -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From nvass9573 at gmx.com Tue Jun 2 14:40:48 2009 From: nvass9573 at gmx.com (Nikos Vassiliadis) Date: Tue Jun 2 14:40:56 2009 Subject: var socket in random directories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A2539A2.3060904@gmx.com> Chris Rees wrote: > OK, so does anyone know why I get a socket called 'var' randomly > appearing in directories? > > I always use ls -F, and it turns up as var=, as can be seen in my > ports directory. > > [chris@amnesiac]~% cd /usr/ports/ > [chris@amnesiac]/usr/ports% ls > CHANGES arabic/ finance/ multimedia/ textproc/ > COPYRIGHT archivers/ french/ net/ ukrainian/ > GIDs astro/ ftp/ net-im/ var= > INDEX-7 audio/ games/ net-mgmt/ vietnamese/ > INDEX-7.bz2 benchmarks/ german/ net-p2p/ www/ > INDEX-7.db biology/ graphics/ news/ x11/ > KNOBS cad/ hebrew/ packages/ x11-clocks/ > LEGAL chinese/ hungarian/ palm/ x11-drivers/ > MOVED comms/ irc/ polish/ x11-fm/ > Makefile converters/ japanese/ ports-mgmt/ x11-fonts/ > Mk/ databases/ java/ portuguese/ x11-servers/ > README deskutils/ korean/ print/ x11-themes/ > Templates/ devel/ lang/ russian/ x11-toolkits/ > Tools/ distfiles/ mail/ science/ x11-wm/ > UIDs dns/ math/ security/ > UPDATING editors/ mbone/ shells/ > accessibility/ emulators/ misc/ sysutils/ > [chris@amnesiac]/usr/ports% > [chris@amnesiac]/usr/ports% uname -a > FreeBSD amnesiac.bayofrum.net 7.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE #1: Sun > May 3 21:54:38 BST 2009 > root@amnesiac.bayofrum.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/AMNESIAC i386 > [chris@amnesiac]/usr/ports% > > I have an inkling it may be due to openldap, any ideas? Not a really helpful response, but why openldap(or any other program) would create sockets in random directories? > Any ideas? You mean you see sockets appear and disappear on their own? in random directories? Maybe sou should do something like "find / -type s" and then use stat(1) on the findings and see if birth timestamp ring any bells. Just a stub in the dark, Nikos From freebsd-questions-local at be-well.ilk.org Tue Jun 2 14:50:44 2009 From: freebsd-questions-local at be-well.ilk.org (Lowell Gilbert) Date: Tue Jun 2 14:50:51 2009 Subject: HandbooK-Free BSD In-Reply-To: (Rafael E. Garcia's message of "Tue\, 02 Jun 2009 10\:06\:38 -0400") References: Message-ID: <44k53uk7um.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> "Rafael E Garcia" writes: > Please How I can copy the Free BSD Handbook in my computer? Any > Sugestion will be apreciate. Thank you.... Rafael E Garcia Look at the Handbook on the web. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html Right at the start are directions for downloading the Handbook in a variety of formats. -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ From Johan at double-l.nl Tue Jun 2 14:53:27 2009 From: Johan at double-l.nl (Johan Hendriks) Date: Tue Jun 2 14:53:35 2009 Subject: HandbooK-Free BSD References: Message-ID: <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE8FE@w2003s01.double-l.local> >Gentlemen >Please How I can copy the Free BSD Handbook in my computer? Any Sugestion >will be apreciate. Thank you.... Rafael E Garcia Try the following and download the pdf.zip file ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/en/books/handbook/ regards, Johan Hendriks No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.46/2145 - Release Date: 05/31/09 05:53:00 From frederique at isafeelin.org Tue Jun 2 15:02:23 2009 From: frederique at isafeelin.org (Frederique Rijsdijk) Date: Tue Jun 2 15:02:30 2009 Subject: HandbooK-Free BSD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A253B1E.4010701@isafeelin.org> Rafael E Garcia wrote: > Gentlemen > Please How I can copy the Free BSD Handbook in my computer? Any > Sugestion will be apreciate. Thank you.... Rafael E Garcia > /usr/share/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook -- Frederique From utisoft at googlemail.com Tue Jun 2 15:11:42 2009 From: utisoft at googlemail.com (Chris Rees) Date: Tue Jun 2 15:11:48 2009 Subject: var socket in random directories In-Reply-To: <4A2539A2.3060904@gmx.com> References: <4A2539A2.3060904@gmx.com> Message-ID: 2009/6/2 Nikos Vassiliadis : > Chris Rees wrote: >> >> OK, so does anyone know why I get a socket called 'var' randomly >> appearing in directories? >> >> I always use ls -F, and it turns up as var=, as can be seen in my >> ports directory. >> >> [chris@amnesiac]~% cd /usr/ports/ >> [chris@amnesiac]/usr/ports% ls >> CHANGES ? ? ? ? arabic/ ? ? ? ? finance/ ? ? ? ?multimedia/ ? ? textproc/ >> COPYRIGHT ? ? ? archivers/ ? ? ?french/ ? ? ? ? net/ ? ? ? ? ? ?ukrainian/ >> GIDs ? ? ? ? ? ?astro/ ? ? ? ? ?ftp/ ? ? ? ? ? ?net-im/ ? ? ? ? var= >> INDEX-7 ? ? ? ? audio/ ? ? ? ? ?games/ ? ? ? ? ?net-mgmt/ >> vietnamese/ >> INDEX-7.bz2 ? ? benchmarks/ ? ? german/ ? ? ? ? net-p2p/ ? ? ? ?www/ >> INDEX-7.db ? ? ?biology/ ? ? ? ?graphics/ ? ? ? news/ ? ? ? ? ? x11/ >> KNOBS ? ? ? ? ? cad/ ? ? ? ? ? ?hebrew/ ? ? ? ? packages/ >> x11-clocks/ >> LEGAL ? ? ? ? ? chinese/ ? ? ? ?hungarian/ ? ? ?palm/ >> x11-drivers/ >> MOVED ? ? ? ? ? comms/ ? ? ? ? ?irc/ ? ? ? ? ? ?polish/ ? ? ? ? x11-fm/ >> Makefile ? ? ? ?converters/ ? ? japanese/ ? ? ? ports-mgmt/ ? ? x11-fonts/ >> Mk/ ? ? ? ? ? ? databases/ ? ? ?java/ ? ? ? ? ? portuguese/ >> x11-servers/ >> README ? ? ? ? ?deskutils/ ? ? ?korean/ ? ? ? ? print/ >> ?x11-themes/ >> Templates/ ? ? ?devel/ ? ? ? ? ?lang/ ? ? ? ? ? russian/ >> ?x11-toolkits/ >> Tools/ ? ? ? ? ?distfiles/ ? ? ?mail/ ? ? ? ? ? science/ ? ? ? ?x11-wm/ >> UIDs ? ? ? ? ? ?dns/ ? ? ? ? ? ?math/ ? ? ? ? ? security/ >> UPDATING ? ? ? ?editors/ ? ? ? ?mbone/ ? ? ? ? ?shells/ >> accessibility/ ?emulators/ ? ? ?misc/ ? ? ? ? ? sysutils/ >> [chris@amnesiac]/usr/ports% >> [chris@amnesiac]/usr/ports% uname -a >> FreeBSD amnesiac.bayofrum.net 7.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE #1: Sun >> May ?3 21:54:38 BST 2009 >> root@amnesiac.bayofrum.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/AMNESIAC ?i386 >> [chris@amnesiac]/usr/ports% >> >> I have an inkling it may be due to openldap, any ideas? > > Not a really helpful response, but why openldap(or any other > program) would create sockets in random directories? > >> Any ideas? > > You mean you see sockets appear and disappear on their own? > in random directories? > > Maybe sou should do something like "find / -type s" and > then use stat(1) on the findings and see if birth timestamp > ring any bells. > > Just a stub in the dark, Nikos > [chris@amnesiac]/usr/ports/print/lyx16% stat /usr/local/lib/webmin/init/var 78 566252 srwxrwxrwx 1 root bin 0 0 "May 5 11:04:51 2009" "May 5 11:04:51 2009" "May 5 11:04:51 2009" "May 5 11:04:51 2009" 4096 0 0 /usr/local/lib/webmin/init/var Interesting, seems to be the fault of webmin. I'll investigate further, thanks. Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From cblasius at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 15:15:24 2009 From: cblasius at gmail.com (Zbigniew Komarnicki) Date: Tue Jun 2 15:15:33 2009 Subject: openoffice.org-3.01 packages available (i386) In-Reply-To: <20090602110126.GA3298@current.Sisis.de> References: <1243904814.59343.2.camel@localhost> <20090602110126.GA3298@current.Sisis.de> Message-ID: <200906021715.12428.cblasius@gmail.com> On Tuesday 02 of June 2009 13:01:26 Matthias Apitz wrote: > which works fine, but on quit it crashes while closing the display, ... I have also this same problem on i386. When closing OO then it produce core file. From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Tue Jun 2 15:22:23 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Tue Jun 2 15:22:29 2009 Subject: IBM x345 Dual 2.8Ghz Xeon poor performance In-Reply-To: <20090602115602.GA29137@atsuko> References: <20090601185419.GA92199@atsuko> <54837285@bb.ipt.ru> <20090602115602.GA29137@atsuko> Message-ID: >> constantly doing ECC that's why it was damn slow. >> >> anyway - can hardware give any info for OS about how often ECC corrects >> errors? > This feels like the right track, I'll run memtest86 on it later tonight. > if i'm right memtest86 will not detect anything as too - all errors get corrected. for example - on your DIMM with 72-bit bus (64+8) one pin is dirty and is not connected well. then you'll get a single bit error every few reads/writes, and all will be corrected. If you can disable ECC - do it, and then run memtest so it will detect errors. If you can't, remove all but one DIMM, check if speed improved, if so, remove this and put other DIMM etc.. until you'll find what is bad. Or maybe it will then work fine because it's just contact problem. From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Tue Jun 2 15:23:16 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Tue Jun 2 15:23:23 2009 Subject: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) In-Reply-To: <20090602124023.GA53857@ei.bzerk.org> References: <4ad871310905270944s43c052b3he419d732fd3be606@mail.gmail.com> <4A1D7764.1060104@otenet.gr> <752e2b0b5bcdacec2fb767357964af98.squirrel@relay.lc-words.com> <20090527220819.GA55127@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20090602124023.GA53857@ei.bzerk.org> Message-ID: > > http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml > > So, instead of being pissed on, they might have been persuaded to pay a little > more, get their link and help the project as a whole. That's what i told - add two zeroes to be advertised. > Missed opportunity. > sure not. From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Tue Jun 2 15:24:39 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Tue Jun 2 15:24:47 2009 Subject: openoffice.org-3.01 packages available (i386) In-Reply-To: <200906021715.12428.cblasius@gmail.com> References: <1243904814.59343.2.camel@localhost> <20090602110126.GA3298@current.Sisis.de> <200906021715.12428.cblasius@gmail.com> Message-ID: > On Tuesday 02 of June 2009 13:01:26 Matthias Apitz wrote: > >> which works fine, but on quit it crashes while closing the display, > ... > > I have also this same problem on i386. When closing OO then it produce core > file. ulimit -c 0 :) From glen.j.barber at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 15:26:04 2009 From: glen.j.barber at gmail.com (Glen Barber) Date: Tue Jun 2 15:26:11 2009 Subject: openoffice.org-3.01 packages available (i386) In-Reply-To: <4A24F74D.3020207@otenet.gr> References: <1243904814.59343.2.camel@localhost> <4A24F74D.3020207@otenet.gr> Message-ID: <4ad871310906020826l70e89dp7008bdbeec1f0136@mail.gmail.com> Hi guys, 2009/6/2 Manolis Kiagias : > Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I have the package for openoffice 3.2m49 for the FreeBSD 7.2/amd64 >> available for the languages EN and pt_BR in UTF-8, with >> full support for cups. >> >> If you are interested, I can upload the package (120Mb) in the >> tinderbox. >> >> I think it is interesting for the FreeBSD community, as >> with this port, FreeBSD is much ahead then the Linux office package >> >> ?Thanks for your attention, >> >> >> Sergio >> > > Thank you Sergio! > I currently don't have a suitable machine to run 64bit package builds, > so my packages are currently limited to the i386 versions. > If you have enough space and bandwidth to upload this somewhere please > do. Otherwise, hopefully Glen Barber may be able to assist ;) > > Sergio, If you need space to host the packages, email me off-list. Regards, -- Glen Barber http://www.dev-urandom.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/glenjbarber From wclark at dl1.njit.edu Tue Jun 2 15:30:50 2009 From: wclark at dl1.njit.edu (wclark@dl1.njit.edu) Date: Tue Jun 2 15:30:57 2009 Subject: pcre Message-ID: <64886b11eadf1dc3f3063e71ccd059be.squirrel@dl1.njit.edu> I am having problems starting drupal6 on 7.2 freebsd when i try strating it on apache20 I get a error mesg that read PCRe boot strap From madunix at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 15:36:53 2009 From: madunix at gmail.com (madunix) Date: Tue Jun 2 15:37:00 2009 Subject: Open_Source Message-ID: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> Dear Experts, I want to know out of your experience people the following, 1- How open source served your businesses requirements? 2- What kind of application that running on Open Source? 3- General experience with Open Source technology? Your input would be really appreciated. Thanks madunix From leslie at eskk.nu Tue Jun 2 15:37:29 2009 From: leslie at eskk.nu (Leslie Jensen) Date: Tue Jun 2 15:37:38 2009 Subject: Stop in /usr/ports/lang/gcc43 In-Reply-To: <20090602215953.0a9d5f20@platypus.freebsd.home> References: <4A191A51.1070905@eskk.nu> <4A1F64CF.1020206@eskk.nu> <4A1F6BBE.6060602@eskk.nu> <4A1FAC1A.9000508@eskk.nu> <4A203231.5010408@eskk.nu> <4A2418A6.7000100@eskk.nu> <20090601181241.GA11206@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <4A241C3C.6050202@eskk.nu> <4A241E69.3040903@eskk.nu> <20090602215953.0a9d5f20@platypus.freebsd.home> Message-ID: <4A254734.9090904@eskk.nu> / >> I also have this in my /boot/loader.conf but it makes no difference. >> >> kern.maxdsiz="734003200" >> > > Try with this? > > kern.dfldsiz="1073741824" > kern.maxdsiz="734003200" > > Cheers, > Matti Unfortunately it did not make any difference. The build error persists. / From glen.j.barber at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 15:43:52 2009 From: glen.j.barber at gmail.com (Glen Barber) Date: Tue Jun 2 15:43:59 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> Hi, On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:12 AM, madunix wrote: > Dear Experts, > > I want to know out of your experience people the following, > 1- How open source served your businesses ?requirements? Allowing extensibility. Generally, if something needs to be changed, it _can_ be changed, and usually with minimal overhead. > 2- What kind of application that running on Open Source? This is a very vague question. Do you mean desktop or server applications? (I use FreeBSD for both purposes... Hopefully that answers your question. :) ) > 3- General experience with Open Source technology? > I believe people can get more experience in general with open source technologies than they can with closed source. The reason is simple: I can look at the code. I can study it. I can see what ${APPLICATION} is doing, and how the developer designed it. This, in itself, makes me better at what I do, and better at troubleshooting my own code. On the same note, free software enables me to get experience with more applications without burning through my wallet. :) > Your input would be really appreciated. > > Thanks > madunix -- Glen Barber http://www.dev-urandom.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/glenjbarber From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Tue Jun 2 15:44:48 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Tue Jun 2 15:45:03 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > > I want to know out of your experience people the following, > 1- How open source served your businesses requirements? excellent. > 2- What kind of application that running on Open Source? All i needed - do you want a list ? > 3- General experience with Open Source technology? what exactly you want to know? > > Your input would be really appreciated. > > Thanks > madunix > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Tue Jun 2 15:59:58 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Tue Jun 2 16:00:16 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > I believe people can get more experience in general with open source > technologies than they can with closed source. The reason is simple: > I can look at the code. I can study it. I can see what > ${APPLICATION} is doing, and how the developer designed it. This, in > itself, makes me better at what I do, and better at troubleshooting my > own code. I would add - with Open Source add it's far smaller (actually close to zero) probability that it doesn't do anything except it's supposed to do. I mean things like sending private data to someone else, scanning for other programs i have on disk, my addressbook etc. If anyone would do this, soon someone else would see it because source code is available for everybody. From steve at ibctech.ca Tue Jun 2 16:18:02 2009 From: steve at ibctech.ca (Steve Bertrand) Date: Tue Jun 2 16:18:09 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A2550C1.6060702@ibctech.ca> madunix wrote: > Dear Experts, > > I want to know out of your experience people the following, > 1- How open source served your businesses requirements? Our business would likely not exist if it weren't for Open Source (and/or free) software. Other than our Windows workstations, a few Windows servers, Cisco IOS and a few other specifics here-and-there, we are all open source. Everything is FreeBSD. > 2- What kind of application that running on Open Source? Pretty much everything: - routers (Quagga BGP, OSPF etc) - RADIUS - web servers - email servers - database servers - backup (AMANDA) - infrastructure config management (RANCID) - performance graphing (MRTG) - performance testing (iperf etc) - troubleshooting (tcpdump, wireshark etc) - traffic engineering (ipfw etc) - communications (firefox, thunderbird) - and hundreds more > 3- General experience with Open Source technology? Very, very good. I find though that the more you give, the more you get out. In our environment, things are very dynamic, and very custom. We can change software live-time to make it do what we need it to do. Being able to look into the source code makes it very easy to write custom applications that 'hook in' to existing ones. Steve -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3233 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/attachments/20090602/90e06625/smime.bin From jerrymc at msu.edu Tue Jun 2 16:40:00 2009 From: jerrymc at msu.edu (Jerry McAllister) Date: Tue Jun 2 16:40:07 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090602163749.GA23560@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 05:59:51PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >I believe people can get more experience in general with open source > >technologies than they can with closed source. The reason is simple: > >I can look at the code. I can study it. I can see what > >${APPLICATION} is doing, and how the developer designed it. This, in > >itself, makes me better at what I do, and better at troubleshooting my > >own code. > > I would add - with Open Source add it's far smaller (actually close to > zero) probability that it doesn't do anything except it's supposed to do. > > I mean things like sending private data to someone else, scanning for > other programs i have on disk, my addressbook etc. YES! This is the biggest of the three things I have against MS and one of the main reasons for using FreeBSD and other Open Source software as much as possible. ////jerry (ps. The other two are the quality of MS systems and MS business practices) > > If anyone would do this, soon someone else would see it because source > code is available for everybody. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From brentb at beanfield.com Tue Jun 2 16:40:38 2009 From: brentb at beanfield.com (Brent Bloxam) Date: Tue Jun 2 16:40:45 2009 Subject: HandbooK-Free BSD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A253CB7.7010402@beanfield.com> Rafael E Garcia wrote: > Gentlemen > Please How I can copy the Free BSD Handbook in my computer? Any > Sugestion will be apreciate. Thank you.... Rafael E Garcia > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/handbook/ From kline at thought.org Tue Jun 2 16:54:25 2009 From: kline at thought.org (Gary Kline) Date: Tue Jun 2 16:54:32 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: <4A2550C1.6060702@ibctech.ca> References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4A2550C1.6060702@ibctech.ca> Message-ID: <20090602165527.GA23405@thought.org> On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 12:18:09PM -0400, Steve Bertrand wrote: > madunix wrote: > > Dear Experts, > > > > I want to know out of your experience people the following, > > > 1- How open source served your businesses requirements? > > Our business would likely not exist if it weren't for Open Source > (and/or free) software. Other than our Windows workstations, a few > Windows servers, Cisco IOS and a few other specifics here-and-there, we > are all open source. > > Everything is FreeBSD. > > > 2- What kind of application that running on Open Source? > > Pretty much everything: > > - routers (Quagga BGP, OSPF etc) > - RADIUS > - web servers > - email servers > - database servers > - backup (AMANDA) > - infrastructure config management (RANCID) > - performance graphing (MRTG) > - performance testing (iperf etc) > - troubleshooting (tcpdump, wireshark etc) > - traffic engineering (ipfw etc) > - communications (firefox, thunderbird) > - and hundreds more > > > 3- General experience with Open Source technology? > > Very, very good. I find though that the more you give, the more you get out. > > In our environment, things are very dynamic, and very custom. We can > change software live-time to make it do what we need it to do. Being > able to look into the source code makes it very easy to write custom > applications that 'hook in' to existing ones. > > Steve Yes! Like Glen (prev post), I occassionally look at the src to see how something was coded; this gave my own coding abilities a boost and didn't hurt the original code a whit. Interesting how muvh we can learn from one another, isn't it? The only rationale I've heard for closed source is that somebody could steal the idea. Or get a jump on creating a clone. My experience has been that EVERY bit of commercial code could be open; people would still want/need/demand/pay-for *support*. gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php From wmoran at potentialtech.com Tue Jun 2 17:05:38 2009 From: wmoran at potentialtech.com (Bill Moran) Date: Tue Jun 2 17:05:46 2009 Subject: pcre In-Reply-To: <64886b11eadf1dc3f3063e71ccd059be.squirrel@dl1.njit.edu> References: <64886b11eadf1dc3f3063e71ccd059be.squirrel@dl1.njit.edu> Message-ID: <20090602130535.c0a449c2.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In response to wclark@dl1.njit.edu: > I am having problems starting drupal6 on 7.2 freebsd when i try strating > it on apache20 I get a error mesg that read PCRe boot strap If English is your second language, you should look to see if there is a FreeBSD mailing list in your native language. Cut/pasting the actual error message into your question will also help you get better assistance. My guess would be that you don't have the php?-pcre package installed. You can use pkg_info to check this, however I can't be sure that's your actual problem from the information you've given. The documentation on installing/maintaining packages is here: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports.html -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com http://people.collaborativefusion.com/~wmoran/ From pgiessel at mac.com Tue Jun 2 17:16:59 2009 From: pgiessel at mac.com (Peter Giessel) Date: Tue Jun 2 17:17:06 2009 Subject: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) Message-ID: <53863834643291151633405127023894512032-Webmail@me.com> On Tuesday, June 02, 2009, at 07:23AM, "Wojciech Puchar" wrote: >> >> http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml >> >> So, instead of being pissed on, they might have been persuaded to pay a little >> more, get their link and help the project as a whole. > >That's what i told - add two zeroes to be advertised. I can't resist. The lack of math is killing me: ONE zero. ONE (1) ONE zero. 12 months/year * 50/month = $600/year 12 months/year * 100/month = $1200/year $600/year / $5000/year = 0.12 $1200/year / $5000/year = 0.24 (or about a quarter of what is needed for a link). $417/month = $5004/year. >> Missed opportunity. >> >sure not. >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Tue Jun 2 17:44:55 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Tue Jun 2 17:45:02 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: <20090602163749.GA23560@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090602163749.GA23560@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Message-ID: >> I mean things like sending private data to someone else, scanning for >> other programs i have on disk, my addressbook etc. > > YES! This is the biggest of the three things I have against MS > and one of the main reasons for using FreeBSD and other Open Source > software as much as possible. But i'm not agains micro-soft. If someone want to pay and be controlled - his problem. Today micro-soft doesn't even hide with this!! So it's clear - you pay big brother and he does well the job he's paid for! > (ps. The other two are the quality of MS systems and MS business practices) I didn't mean microsoft but any commercial software. Actually i just switched from opera to firefox for similar reasons. I DO NOT say that opera doing such things, but i'm not sure it does not. Every minute or so when i use opera is starts lots of disk I/O and slows down. It do so no matter if i'm loading some pages or do just nothing. It wasn't happening with older versions, but with that opera-9.64.20090302 From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Tue Jun 2 17:48:17 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Tue Jun 2 17:48:25 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: <20090602165527.GA23405@thought.org> References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4A2550C1.6060702@ibctech.ca> <20090602165527.GA23405@thought.org> Message-ID: > The only rationale I've heard for closed source is that somebody could > steal the idea. There will always be both of them. And that's OK as long as you can choose. From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Tue Jun 2 17:49:11 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Tue Jun 2 17:49:17 2009 Subject: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) In-Reply-To: <53863834643291151633405127023894512032-Webmail@me.com> References: <53863834643291151633405127023894512032-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: > I can't resist. The lack of math is killing me: > > ONE zero. ONE (1) ONE zero. > > 12 months/year * 50/month = $600/year > 12 months/year * 100/month = $1200/year > > $600/year / $5000/year = 0.12 > $1200/year / $5000/year = 0.24 (or about a quarter of what is needed > for a link). > > $417/month = $5004/year. You believe he will pay for 4 years? From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Tue Jun 2 18:00:36 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Tue Jun 2 18:00:42 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: <20090602163749.GA23560@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090602163749.GA23560@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Message-ID: >> other programs i have on disk, my addressbook etc. > > YES! This is the biggest of the three things I have against MS > and one of the main reasons for using FreeBSD and other Open Source > software as much as possible. I think we all forget about third case, open and closed source being first two. The case when you PAY for the product, you are not allowed to copy it to others but you do get a source. It was common years ago with software like unix. And still exist just it's not common. From jerrymc at msu.edu Tue Jun 2 18:24:42 2009 From: jerrymc at msu.edu (Jerry McAllister) Date: Tue Jun 2 18:24:48 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090602163749.GA23560@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Message-ID: <20090602182230.GA24045@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 07:44:46PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>I mean things like sending private data to someone else, scanning for > >>other programs i have on disk, my addressbook etc. > > > >YES! This is the biggest of the three things I have against MS > >and one of the main reasons for using FreeBSD and other Open Source > >software as much as possible. > > But i'm not agains micro-soft. If someone want to pay and be > controlled - his problem. > > Today micro-soft doesn't even hide with this!! So it's clear - you pay big > brother and he does well the job he's paid for! I am, -- on my machines. What someone else does is there problem unless it spreads to my stuff. > >(ps. The other two are the quality of MS systems and MS business practices) > > I didn't mean microsoft but any commercial software. I know, but I picked that as my example. ////jerry > > Actually i just switched from opera to firefox for similar reasons. > > I DO NOT say that opera doing such things, but i'm not sure it does not. > > Every minute or so when i use opera is starts lots of disk I/O and slows > down. It do so no matter if i'm loading some pages or do just nothing. > > It wasn't happening with older versions, but with that > opera-9.64.20090302 > From steve at ibctech.ca Tue Jun 2 18:24:53 2009 From: steve at ibctech.ca (Steve Bertrand) Date: Tue Jun 2 18:25:03 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4A2550C1.6060702@ibctech.ca> <20090602165527.GA23405@thought.org> Message-ID: <4A256E7B.5050906@ibctech.ca> Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> The only rationale I've heard for closed source is that somebody >> could >> steal the idea. > > There will always be both of them. And that's OK as long as you can choose. Yes, I agree. I use Windows as my workstation, because there are some specific applications that require Windows to run. The rest of the applications on my workstation are open source win32 apps. Visio is the main one. I've been told that there are alternatives to Visio that will run on *nix. However, the alternatives either: - take more time (time * salary) to get configured than the cost of the software - take more time (time * salary) to familiarize myself with the alternative than the cost of the software - don't provide certain functionality that I need ISPs are very dynamic in nature. From my experience in both the enterprise and ISP environments, enterprise need to stay focused on stability, whereas the ISP needs to be more adaptive to new technologies. In the enterprise, I've found that it is by far more cost effective to run almost exclusively on commercial software. The number of IT staff is kept to a minimum, and let's face it, it's easier/cheaper to find an employee with a Windows background than it is someone who has extensive real-world open source operations experience. Being able to modify software to fit our ever changing environment is key, and so is knowing that (for the most part), the ability is there to communicate directly with the developers. Another side-effect of using open source software is that over time, you learn how things *really* work. For instance, if you have garnered up experience running an MTA on FreeBSD (and understand the logs etc), you will undoubtedly be able to fudge your way through troubleshooting an Exchange server, it will just take a bit of time to know where to click. The reverse is not really true (from my experience). Speaking of logging, open source applications do log...properly. Steve -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But most people - as they acts show - prefer to be owned. And micro-soft (and others) just give what they want. From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Tue Jun 2 18:30:53 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Tue Jun 2 18:31:00 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: <4A256E7B.5050906@ibctech.ca> References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4A2550C1.6060702@ibctech.ca> <20090602165527.GA23405@thought.org> <4A256E7B.5050906@ibctech.ca> Message-ID: >> There will always be both of them. And that's OK as long as you can choose. > > Yes, I agree. > > I use Windows as my workstation, because there are some specific > applications that require Windows to run. You don't have to explain - you use because you want to :) that's all. > Being able to modify software to fit our ever changing environment is > key, and so is knowing that (for the most part), the ability is there to > communicate directly with the developers. > > Another side-effect of using open source software is that over time, you > learn how things *really* work. For instance, if you have garnered up But this is not because of open source. Some closed source too - allows you or even motivates to understand things. And some open source apps - try to prevent you from understanding anything. It's depend of certain product, NOT only the fact of source availability. > Speaking of logging, open source applications do log...properly. Depends of program. There are as much open source crap as closed source. From freebsd at edvax.de Tue Jun 2 18:38:41 2009 From: freebsd at edvax.de (Polytropon) Date: Tue Jun 2 18:38:49 2009 Subject: a binary package update In-Reply-To: <754382.65193.qm@web59907.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <726041.18476.qm@web59916.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20090601190139.37ae524a.freebsd@edvax.de> <754382.65193.qm@web59907.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090602203833.4cee5c80.freebsd@edvax.de> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 06:15:37 -0700 (PDT), Martin Badie wrote: > Hi, > > I have package-1.0 installed and want to update to package-2.0 > using package-2.0.tbz package file. This binary package is at > /var/tmp/packages/All. I have no /usr/ports directory > > export PKG_PATH=/var/tmp/packages/All > export PKG_FETCH=/usr/bin/false > > portupgrade -PP postgresql-server > > ** Port directory not found: databases/postgresql83-server > ** Listing the failed packages (-:ignored / *:skipped / !:failed) > - databases/postgresql83-server (port directory error) > > Do I need to have /usr/ports/ installed on that system? If you want to use portupgrade - yes, I think so. > I just want to upgrade to package-2.0.tbz without having > anything related to Ports ( /usr/ports) on my systems? Just > like a rpm -Uhv package-2.0.rpm on Linux. Can someone > enlighten me on how to do that with portupgrade? As far as I understand, not possible. Portupgrade is not the tool to do this. > Or maybe with another tool on FreeBSD? Yes, as I said, pkg_add is used for this. You can even use it to overwrite the installed package (pkg_add -f). In order to achieve what I thought you intend to do, use the script I attached to you. It will download all the packages required. Then, transfer them to the other machine, and use pkg_add with the file name of the package you want to install. It will usually overwrite everything with the "wrong" version number that still does exist. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From madunix at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 19:00:34 2009 From: madunix at gmail.com (madunix) Date: Tue Jun 2 19:00:42 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: <4A2550C1.6060702@ibctech.ca> References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4A2550C1.6060702@ibctech.ca> Message-ID: <4d3f56c90906021200g6e5fd4eay77e30d722f731633@mail.gmail.com> in my case i have the following: Multiple linux/bsd distributions: (RHEL, SuSE, FreeBSD + commercial UNIX as AIX) Monitoring Application:(Cacti, Nagios, MRTG) Backup utility:(rsync, tar, mondo) Content Management system:(Jommla, Durpal) Virtualization:(Wine) Web Server:(Apache) Web filtering:(Squid, dansgaurdian + blacklist) Mail System:(Qmail, Postfix, sendmail) DB:(MySQL) Scripting:(Shell/bash,Perl,PHP) Servers: IBM SystemX and SystemP, DELL SAN storage: EMC, IBM DS8000 madunix On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Steve Bertrand wrote: > madunix wrote: >> Dear Experts, >> >> I want to know out of your experience people the following, > >> 1- How open source served your businesses ?requirements? > > Our business would likely not exist if it weren't for Open Source > (and/or free) software. Other than our Windows workstations, a few > Windows servers, Cisco IOS and a few other specifics here-and-there, we > are all open source. > > Everything is FreeBSD. > >> 2- What kind of application that running on Open Source? > > Pretty much everything: > > - routers (Quagga BGP, OSPF etc) > - RADIUS > - web servers > - email servers > - database servers > - backup (AMANDA) > - infrastructure config management (RANCID) > - performance graphing (MRTG) > - performance testing (iperf etc) > - troubleshooting (tcpdump, wireshark etc) > - traffic engineering (ipfw etc) > - communications (firefox, thunderbird) > - and hundreds more > >> 3- General experience with Open Source technology? > > Very, very good. I find though that the more you give, the more you get out. > > In our environment, things are very dynamic, and very custom. We can > change software live-time to make it do what we need it to do. Being > able to look into the source code makes it very easy to write custom > applications that 'hook in' to existing ones. > > Steve > From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Tue Jun 2 19:10:09 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Tue Jun 2 19:10:16 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: <4d3f56c90906021200g6e5fd4eay77e30d722f731633@mail.gmail.com> References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4A2550C1.6060702@ibctech.ca> <4d3f56c90906021200g6e5fd4eay77e30d722f731633@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > > Multiple linux/bsd distributions: (RHEL, SuSE, FreeBSD + commercial > UNIX as AIX) > Monitoring Application:(Cacti, Nagios, MRTG) > Backup utility:(rsync, tar, mondo) > Content Management system:(Jommla, Durpal) > Virtualization:(Wine) wine is virtualization? From mel.flynn+fbsd.questions at mailing.thruhere.net Tue Jun 2 19:11:36 2009 From: mel.flynn+fbsd.questions at mailing.thruhere.net (Mel Flynn) Date: Tue Jun 2 19:11:43 2009 Subject: top view different screens In-Reply-To: <4A24BDAA.4030503@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <200906012300.43296.slogster@gmail.com> <4A24BDAA.4030503@infracaninophile.co.uk> Message-ID: <200906022111.32855.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> On Tuesday 02 June 2009 07:50:34 Matthew Seaman wrote: > Momchil Ivanov wrote: > > how can I view the second and third screens in top? Is it possible? > > Ah, now for that you'ld have to use middle(1) and bottom(1), Unfortunately > no one has written them yet... > > Seriously though: you can run top in an xterm and make the window as tall > as you can bear, you can filter the top output by username, turn the > display of idle processes on or off, sort the output order by any of the > columns shown, or else you can forget top(1) entirely and use ps(1) to > examine the whole process list. I'd still appreciate the feature myself. sysutils/pftop has a pager, granted it's a bit more important there, but sometimes (especially on 80x25 consoles with your colo's airco breathing down your neck) it's convenient. You can work around it, by dumping output to file and loading that in your favorite editor. -- Mel From mel.flynn+fbsd.questions at mailing.thruhere.net Tue Jun 2 19:20:39 2009 From: mel.flynn+fbsd.questions at mailing.thruhere.net (Mel Flynn) Date: Tue Jun 2 19:20:46 2009 Subject: problem on a MX sendmail machine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200906022120.36705.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> On Monday 01 June 2009 11:33:59 RJ45 wrote: > hello I have a FreeBSD machine > > FreeBSD infngw.infn.it 7.0-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD > > being a MX record with high loads. > I often ahve this message on logs right before the machien locks up. > any hints ? > thank you > > swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 482607, size: 61440 a) Check disk connectivity and health b) Don't let your mailserver swap: - add memory and/or - divide load over multiple machine c) Limit disk io if you cannot stop occasional swaps: - mailstore on different physical disk then queue, no swap on this disk - memory disk for logs - switch to Maildir if using mbox Mailservers are particularly bad for swapping as every new request will 100% result in one disk write (the logfile) and possible more (header file, queue body). -- Mel From mel.flynn+fbsd.questions at mailing.thruhere.net Tue Jun 2 19:23:30 2009 From: mel.flynn+fbsd.questions at mailing.thruhere.net (Mel Flynn) Date: Tue Jun 2 19:23:37 2009 Subject: Greylisting and new posters In-Reply-To: <4A218479.1090207@telenix.org> References: <200905292311.58235.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <4A218479.1090207@telenix.org> Message-ID: <200906022123.26099.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> On Saturday 30 May 2009 21:09:45 Chuck Robey wrote: > Probably, the only thing that really might need > another word or two is to make the services offered by FreeBSD-test list > better advertised (it does still exist, right?) People can post all the > test mail they want to that list. Nice story but don't see how it's relevant. FreeBSD greylisting is not server wide, but per destination, so the test list doesn't come into view even for "pre-greylisting". -- Mel From Kevin at RawFedDogs.net Tue Jun 2 19:35:33 2009 From: Kevin at RawFedDogs.net (Kevin Monceaux) Date: Tue Jun 2 19:35:40 2009 Subject: Math/Quote (Was: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)) In-Reply-To: References: <53863834643291151633405127023894512032-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: <20090602193524.GA8089@RawFedDogs.net> On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 07:48:40PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> $417/month = $5004/year. > > You believe he will pay for 4 years? This thread is starting to remind me of a quote: "You know, the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit the views, which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering." -- Doctor Who -- Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! From Ggatten at waddell.com Tue Jun 2 19:44:39 2009 From: Ggatten at waddell.com (Gary Gatten) Date: Tue Jun 2 19:44:47 2009 Subject: Math/Quote (Was: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)) In-Reply-To: <20090602193524.GA8089@RawFedDogs.net> References: <53863834643291151633405127023894512032-Webmail@me.com> <20090602193524.GA8089@RawFedDogs.net> Message-ID: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE70@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> My Mom always told me if you ignore things long enough they'll go away, so I've been trying to do that with several of these infinite mutating threads. That quote though is some funny $hit! I'm gonna print it out on a plotter and hang it in my cube! -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Monceaux Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 2:35 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Math/Quote (Was: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)) On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 07:48:40PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> $417/month = $5004/year. > > You believe he will pay for 4 years? This thread is starting to remind me of a quote: "You know, the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit the views, which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering." -- Doctor Who -- Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. 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It starts and opens it's sockets, but whenever I try to establish a connection to pop3 or imap ports (i.e. via telnet or cyradm) cyrus goes nuts and spawns child processes in endless manner, trashing logs with this: >tail /var/log/debug.log Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[49269]: about to exec /usr/local/cyrus/bin/pop3d Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[43639]: process 49269 exited, status 1 Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[49270]: about to exec /usr/local/cyrus/bin/pop3d Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[43639]: process 49270 exited, status 1 Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[49271]: about to exec /usr/local/cyrus/bin/pop3d Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[43639]: process 49271 exited, status 1 Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[49272]: about to exec /usr/local/cyrus/bin/pop3d Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[43639]: process 49272 exited, status 1 Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[49281]: about to exec /usr/local/cyrus/bin/pop3d Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[43639]: process 49281 exited, status 1 ... ...until I stop the master process. I tried both cyrus-imapd23 and 22 with default configurations but it gives the same problem every time. I have similar configuration on 6.4-RELEASE without such troubles. Any advices would be much appreciated. -- Best regards, Jeff | "Nobody wants to say how this works. | | Maybe nobody knows ..." | | Xorg.conf(5) | From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Tue Jun 2 19:58:19 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Tue Jun 2 19:58:25 2009 Subject: Math/Quote (Was: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)) In-Reply-To: <20090602193524.GA8089@RawFedDogs.net> References: <53863834643291151633405127023894512032-Webmail@me.com> <20090602193524.GA8089@RawFedDogs.net> Message-ID: > This thread is starting to remind me of a quote: > > "You know, the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in > common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They > alter the facts to fit the views, which can be uncomfortable if > you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering." > if you say i alter the facts just tell me about "lost opportunity" of sponsoring - did i prevent anyhow FreeBSD owners to talk to this "potential sponsor" to talk with him? Maybe they even did. But it doesn't change my opinion about it's mail being something close to spam. that's all. And many people's problem here is that they just can't accept other people right to show their opinion. If it's too different from their then it's important that thread is off-topic. If it's not - it's fine. That's why i opted (and still do) for moderation. Lets eliminate ALL off-topic thread. If not - then please accept every people right to present their opinion. From rwmaillists at googlemail.com Tue Jun 2 20:08:01 2009 From: rwmaillists at googlemail.com (RW) Date: Tue Jun 2 20:08:07 2009 Subject: top view different screens In-Reply-To: <4A24BDAA.4030503@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <200906012300.43296.slogster@gmail.com> <4A24BDAA.4030503@infracaninophile.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090602210743.59acb642@gumby.homeunix.com> On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 06:50:34 +0100 Matthew Seaman wrote: > Momchil Ivanov wrote: > > > how can I view the second and third screens in top? Is it possible? > > Ah, now for that you'ld have to use middle(1) and bottom(1), > Unfortunately no one has written them yet... > > Seriously though: you can run top in an xterm and make the window as > tall as you can bear, you can filter the top output by username, turn > the display of idle processes on or off, sort the output order by any > of the columns shown, or else you can forget top(1) entirely and use > ps(1) to examine the whole process list. or you can do something like top 999 |less From gesbbb at yahoo.com Tue Jun 2 20:09:36 2009 From: gesbbb at yahoo.com (Jerry) Date: Tue Jun 2 20:09:43 2009 Subject: Math/Quote (Was: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD)) In-Reply-To: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE70@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> References: <53863834643291151633405127023894512032-Webmail@me.com> <20090602193524.GA8089@RawFedDogs.net> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE70@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> Message-ID: <20090602160923.35253f63@scorpio> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:44:01 -0500 "Gary Gatten" wrote: >My Mom always told me if you ignore things long enough they'll go away, >so I've been trying to do that with several of these infinite mutating >threads. That quote though is some funny $hit! I'm gonna print it out >on a plotter and hang it in my cube! Yes, it is from the Jan. 1977 - from The Face of Evil episode, written by Chris Boucher. I have it hanging in my office. -- Jerry gesbbb@yahoo.com To teach is to learn. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 196 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/attachments/20090602/c334da70/signature.pgp From utisoft at googlemail.com Tue Jun 2 20:12:57 2009 From: utisoft at googlemail.com (Chris Rees) Date: Tue Jun 2 20:13:04 2009 Subject: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) In-Reply-To: References: <53863834643291151633405127023894512032-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: 2009/6/2 Wojciech Puchar : >> I can't resist. ?The lack of math is killing me: >> >> ONE zero. ?ONE (1) ONE zero. >> >> 12 months/year * 50/month = $600/year >> 12 months/year * 100/month = $1200/year >> >> $600/year / $5000/year = 0.12 >> $1200/year / $5000/year = 0.24 (or about a quarter of what is needed >> for a link). >> >> $417/month = $5004/year. > > You believe he will pay for 4 years? > No... he is suggesting quadrupling the amount. Big clue: >> $417/month = $5004/year. Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From utisoft at googlemail.com Tue Jun 2 20:16:00 2009 From: utisoft at googlemail.com (Chris Rees) Date: Tue Jun 2 20:16:07 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4A2550C1.6060702@ibctech.ca> <4d3f56c90906021200g6e5fd4eay77e30d722f731633@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2009/6/2 Wojciech Puchar : >> >> Multiple linux/bsd distributions: (RHEL, SuSE, FreeBSD + commercial >> UNIX as AIX) >> Monitoring Application:(Cacti, Nagios, MRTG) >> Backup utility:(rsync, tar, mondo) >> Content Management system:(Jommla, Durpal) >> Virtualization:(Wine) > > wine is virtualization? > You're right, wine is NOT virtualization (sic). It merely implements the 'Windows' API to make it available for 'Windows' programs. There is no 'translation' or 'emulation'. This is why Wine is an acronym: Wine Is Not an Emulator. Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From norgaard at locolomo.org Tue Jun 2 20:19:04 2009 From: norgaard at locolomo.org (Erik Norgaard) Date: Tue Jun 2 20:19:12 2009 Subject: cyrus-imapd spawning multiple processes In-Reply-To: <20090602194756.GB43583@free.bsd.loc> References: <20090602194756.GB43583@free.bsd.loc> Message-ID: <4A258935.7090708@locolomo.org> Jeff Laine wrote: > The troublemaker is the cyrus. It starts and opens it's sockets, but whenever > I try to establish a connection to pop3 or imap ports (i.e. via telnet or cyradm) > cyrus goes nuts and spawns child processes in endless manner, trashing logs with this: > >> tail /var/log/debug.log > > Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[49269]: about to exec /usr/local/cyrus/bin/pop3d > Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[43639]: process 49269 exited, status 1 > Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[49270]: about to exec /usr/local/cyrus/bin/pop3d > Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[43639]: process 49270 exited, status 1 > Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[49271]: about to exec /usr/local/cyrus/bin/pop3d > Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[43639]: process 49271 exited, status 1 > Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[49272]: about to exec /usr/local/cyrus/bin/pop3d > Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[43639]: process 49272 exited, status 1 > Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[49281]: about to exec /usr/local/cyrus/bin/pop3d > Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[43639]: process 49281 exited, status 1 > ... > > ...until I stop the master process. It seems that when you try to connect with pop3 a child process is spawned as it should, but it dies unexpectedly so a new is spawned. Could it be something as simple as permissions to access the mailbox files? Rather than relying on log files, try to launch the master manually with the -D flag, it may give you a more verbose output. > I tried both cyrus-imapd23 and 22 with default configurations but it > gives the same problem every time. > > I have similar configuration on 6.4-RELEASE without such troubles. Similar but not the same? Sounds like you should review again your config files, also, the versions of cyrus-imapd on your working installation, is that the same as the new one? Consider posting your configs in next post. BR, Erik -- Erik N?rgaard Ph: +34.666334818/+34.915211157 http://www.locolomo.org From beat.siegenthaler at beatsnet.com Tue Jun 2 20:36:26 2009 From: beat.siegenthaler at beatsnet.com (Beat Siegenthaler) Date: Tue Jun 2 20:36:33 2009 Subject: mailman-with-htdig 2.1.12 does not build Message-ID: <4A258D45.90905@beatsnet.com> Hi, the Makefile try to get the patches for 2.2.12, but the newest from www.openinfo.co.uk are still 2.1.11 => indexing-2.1.12-0.1.patch.gz doesn't seem to exist in /usr/ports/distfiles/mailman. => Attempting to fetch from http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mm/patches/444879/. fetch: http://www.openinfo.co.uk/mm/patches/444879/indexing-2.1.12-0.1.patch.gz: Not Found => Attempting to fetch from ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/mailman/. fetch: ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/mailman/indexing-2.1.12-0.1.patch.gz: File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access) => Couldn't fetch it - please try to retrieve this => port manually into /usr/ports/distfiles/mailman and try again. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/mail/mailman. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/mail/mailman. Maintainer does not answer. My three options are: - Wait - Build without htdig - Manually change Makefile for 2.1.12 Some suggestions ? Kind regards, Beat From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Tue Jun 2 20:45:06 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Tue Jun 2 20:45:13 2009 Subject: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) In-Reply-To: References: <53863834643291151633405127023894512032-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: >> You believe he will pay for 4 years? >> > > No... he is suggesting quadrupling the amount. so we end in what i suggested in the beginning - 5-10 thousands. just added option to pay by instalments From arab at tangerine-army.co.uk Tue Jun 2 20:57:36 2009 From: arab at tangerine-army.co.uk (Graeme Dargie) Date: Tue Jun 2 20:57:50 2009 Subject: Intel NIC issues Message-ID: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956DF@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> Hi all Ok lets not go to war over this I just need some advice. I have a 1u rack system that has one of these motherboards http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/E7501/X5DPR-iG2+.cfm Now according to where I got the server and that page it is supposed to have dual gigabit nics on board. Dmesg shows the following em0: port 0x3000-0x301f mem 0xfc220000-0xfc23ffff,0xfc200000-0xfc21ffff irq 31 at device 4.0 on pci3 em0: [FILTER] em0: Ethernet address: 00:30:48:24:84:f2 fxp0: port 0x4400-0x443f mem 0xfc321000-0xfc321fff,0xfc300000-0xfc31ffff irq 17 at device 2.0 on pci4 miibus0: on fxp0 inphy0: PHY 1 on miibus0 inphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto fxp0: Ethernet address: 00:30:48:24:84:f3 fxp0: [ITHREAD] Now for reasons I can not fathom, one nic is showing just fine and the other is using a different driver and only speeds of upto 100mbs. I have tried both 7.1 and 7.2 So is the information on the board wrong or is there something I am missing. Regards Graeme From pgiessel at mac.com Tue Jun 2 20:59:43 2009 From: pgiessel at mac.com (Peter Giessel) Date: Tue Jun 2 20:59:51 2009 Subject: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) Message-ID: <4688025620918128507458768288443306245-Webmail@me.com> On Tuesday, June 02, 2009, at 12:44PM, "Wojciech Puchar" wrote: >>> You believe he will pay for 4 years? >>> >> >> No... he is suggesting quadrupling the amount. > >so we end in what i suggested in the beginning - 5-10 thousands. >just added option to pay by instalments The original poster several days ago suggested installments. His original post suggested $50-$100/month. That is $600-$1200/year. You repeatedly said that he would need to "add two zeros". Adding "two zeros" would be $60,000 - $120,000/year. This is not accurate. Adding less than one zero would be more than sufficient to obtain a link. Instead of the original poster's range of $50-$100/month, the minimum amount needed for a link is $417/month. A modest increase over what the original poster suggested, not 100 times what the original poster suggested as you repeatedly stated. From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Tue Jun 2 21:12:20 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Tue Jun 2 21:12:39 2009 Subject: Intel NIC issues In-Reply-To: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956DF@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> References: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956DF@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> Message-ID: > em0: port 0x3000-0x301f mem > 0xfc220000-0xfc23ffff,0xfc200000-0xfc21ffff irq 31 at device 4.0 on pci3 > > em0: [FILTER] > > em0: Ethernet address: 00:30:48:24:84:f2 > fxp0: port 0x4400-0x443f mem > 0xfc321000-0xfc321fff,0xfc300000-0xfc31ffff irq 17 at device 2.0 on pci4 > > miibus0: on fxp0 > > inphy0: PHY 1 on miibus0 > > inphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto > > fxp0: Ethernet address: 00:30:48:24:84:f3 > > fxp0: [ITHREAD] > I have tried both 7.1 and 7.2 So is the information on the board wrong > or is there something I am missing. If that board would be really 2*1000Mbps, for sure producer would use 2 the same chips. Then - it's impossible that FreeBSD would detect one chip properly and other - the same - improperly. It's just wrong info. From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Tue Jun 2 21:20:32 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Tue Jun 2 21:20:39 2009 Subject: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) In-Reply-To: <4688025620918128507458768288443306245-Webmail@me.com> References: <4688025620918128507458768288443306245-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: >> just added option to pay by instalments > > The original poster several days ago suggested installments. His original post > suggested $50-$100/month. That is $600-$1200/year. You repeatedly said that he > would need to "add two zeros". Adding "two zeros" would be $60,000 - $120,000/year. Yes - i missed this "monthly" and sorry for this. > Instead of the original poster's range of $50-$100/month, the minimum amount needed > for a link is $417/month. A modest increase over what the original poster suggested, > not 100 times what the original poster suggested as you repeatedly stated. It would be very nice for people to just say about this at the beginning. All i suggested was that 5-10 thousands are needed to get real advert on main site, which i repeated lots of times. Finally it was confirmed! Wouldn't be much easier to just tell this instead of flamewars, attacks and using me to relieve one's personal mental problems? Not for me, as i don't care about such kind of answers, but for everyone else reading this? Or - completete nonsense - talking about lost opportunity of sponsoring. Do you really mean i have enough power to just dumb any sponsors (potential, not "potential") by writing a post on public mailing list? Even at first post i wrote that i'm not FreeBSD owners and they will decide. Maybe if i would be the man that gives 50000$ PER YEAR i would have such a power. But i rather think not. From martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu Tue Jun 2 21:59:42 2009 From: martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Tue Jun 2 21:59:50 2009 Subject: Can One Query an Oracle 10 Data Base under FreeBSD? Message-ID: <200906022159.n52LxQlS089946@dc.cis.okstate.edu> The Subject is most of the question. We will need to query an Oracle 10 data base and manipulate data. Is this presently possible under FreeBSD? Thank you. Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK Systems Engineer OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Tue Jun 2 22:03:19 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Tue Jun 2 22:03:25 2009 Subject: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) In-Reply-To: <20090602215339.GA86750@barragry.com> References: <4688025620918128507458768288443306245-Webmail@me.com> <20090602215339.GA86750@barragry.com> Message-ID: >> ... >> Even at first post i wrote that i'm not FreeBSD owners and they will >> decide. > > We're all human. The potential sponsors might have missed the line > where you said that you were not an owner. this way - nobody should write anyone. there is always a line that missed - completely changes a sense of sentence. > > Just as you missed the bit where they were interested in monthly > contributions. yes. > > >> Do you really mean i have enough power to just dumb any sponsors >> (potential, not "potential") by writing a post on public mailing >> list? > > Any person might look at people in the community and decide that they > don't want to be a part of that community after all. That's why it > would be nice if everyone could be courteous and helpful. > > I'm not specifically referring to you, Mr. Puchar. I'm talking about > the general case. You are right. But do you try to say that we should think about consequences for potential sponsoring every word we say?! Is FreeBSD FREE SOFTWARE or commercial product that's selling some way? If first - then we should not care how much more/less money people will pay as a gift every time we post. If second - then please Owners declare it clearly and just add statement about this. Anyway - Do users of any commercial product support list must think if their words will lower the selling of the product? i don't think so. But if i'm not right - please add on FreeBSD webpage/mailing list info "Every sentence that can potentially lower the income or core team are punished with 10 lashes. Erik Osterholm will be the executor". From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Tue Jun 2 22:03:42 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Tue Jun 2 22:03:49 2009 Subject: Can One Query an Oracle 10 Data Base under FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <200906022159.n52LxQlS089946@dc.cis.okstate.edu> References: <200906022159.n52LxQlS089946@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Message-ID: > The Subject is most of the question. We will need to query an > Oracle 10 data base and manipulate data. Is this presently > possible under FreeBSD? grep -i oracle /usr/ports/INDEX|cut -b 1-75|more From ertr1013 at student.uu.se Tue Jun 2 22:07:20 2009 From: ertr1013 at student.uu.se (Erik Trulsson) Date: Tue Jun 2 22:07:27 2009 Subject: Intel NIC issues In-Reply-To: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956DF@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> References: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956DF@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> Message-ID: <20090602220709.GA24465@owl.midgard.homeip.net> On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 09:56:01PM +0100, Graeme Dargie wrote: > Hi all > > > > Ok lets not go to war over this I just need some advice. > > > > I have a 1u rack system that has one of these motherboards > http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/E7501/X5DPR-iG2+.cfm Are you *sure* that you actually have that particular motherboard? As you can see if you look through their product listings ( http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon1333/#e7501 ) Supermicro has several other similar models, some of which are equipped with one Gigabit NIC and one 100Mbit NIC much like you seem to have.. > > > > Now according to where I got the server and that page it is supposed to > have dual gigabit nics on board. > > > > Dmesg shows the following > > > > em0: port 0x3000-0x301f mem > 0xfc220000-0xfc23ffff,0xfc200000-0xfc21ffff irq 31 at device 4.0 on pci3 > > em0: [FILTER] > > em0: Ethernet address: 00:30:48:24:84:f2 > > > > fxp0: port 0x4400-0x443f mem > 0xfc321000-0xfc321fff,0xfc300000-0xfc31ffff irq 17 at device 2.0 on pci4 > > miibus0: on fxp0 > > inphy0: PHY 1 on miibus0 > > inphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto > > fxp0: Ethernet address: 00:30:48:24:84:f3 > > fxp0: [ITHREAD] > > > Now for reasons I can not fathom, one nic is showing just fine and the > other is using a different driver and only speeds of upto 100mbs. The obvious reason is that there is two different ethernet controllers on that board - one Gigabit and one 100Mbit. It is worth noting that according to the above, they are found on different PCI-buses, while the dual-gigabit controller you thought you had is a single chip where obviously both ports would be connected to the same bus. > > > > I have tried both 7.1 and 7.2 So is the information on the board wrong > or is there something I am missing. Most likely you have a different motherboard than you think you have. The *complete* dmesg output as well as the output of 'pciconf -lv' might be useful in determining what you actually have. (Opening the box and checking for any useful labels on the motherboard can also of course be useful, but is not something we can help you doing.) -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From Ggatten at waddell.com Tue Jun 2 22:08:36 2009 From: Ggatten at waddell.com (Gary Gatten) Date: Tue Jun 2 22:08:43 2009 Subject: Can One Query an Oracle 10 Data Base under FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <200906022159.n52LxQlS089946@dc.cis.okstate.edu> References: <200906022159.n52LxQlS089946@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE7D@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> Surely there's a native Oracle SQL or ODBC client in the ports collection. Have you checked there? -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Martin McCormick Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 4:59 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Can One Query an Oracle 10 Data Base under FreeBSD? The Subject is most of the question. We will need to query an Oracle 10 data base and manipulate data. Is this presently possible under FreeBSD? Thank you. Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK Systems Engineer OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
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From utisoft at googlemail.com Tue Jun 2 22:09:34 2009 From: utisoft at googlemail.com (Chris Rees) Date: Tue Jun 2 22:09:42 2009 Subject: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) In-Reply-To: References: <4688025620918128507458768288443306245-Webmail@me.com> <20090602215339.GA86750@barragry.com> Message-ID: 2009/6/2 Wojciech Puchar : ... >> >>> Do you really mean i have enough power to just dumb any sponsors >>> (potential, not "potential") by writing a post on public mailing >>> list? >> >> Any person might look at people in the community and decide that they >> don't want to be a part of that community after all. ?That's why it >> would be nice if everyone could be courteous and helpful. >> >> I'm not specifically referring to you, Mr. Puchar. ?I'm talking about >> the general case. > > You are right. But do you try to say that we should think about consequences > for potential sponsoring every word we say?! > > Is FreeBSD FREE SOFTWARE or commercial product that's selling some way? > > If first - then we should not care how much more/less money people will pay > as a gift every time we post. > > If second - then please Owners declare it clearly and just add statement > about this. > > Anyway - Do users of any commercial product support list must think if their > words will lower the selling of the product? i don't think so. > > > But if i'm not right - please add on FreeBSD webpage/mailing list info > > "Every sentence that can potentially lower the income or core team are > punished with 10 lashes. Erik Osterholm will be the executor". > Or, you could see from the attitude of the users that they don't deserve your hard earned cash, and can carry on using an underfunded operating system TO MAKE MONEY. Yes, that's you. I bet you don't talk to YOUR customers like that. Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From freebsd-lists-erik at erikosterholm.org Tue Jun 2 22:11:35 2009 From: freebsd-lists-erik at erikosterholm.org (Erik Osterholm) Date: Tue Jun 2 22:11:42 2009 Subject: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) In-Reply-To: References: <4688025620918128507458768288443306245-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: <20090602215339.GA86750@barragry.com> On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 11:20:23PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> just added option to pay by instalments > > > > The original poster several days ago suggested installments. His > > original post suggested $50-$100/month. That is $600-$1200/year. > > You repeatedly said that he would need to "add two zeros". Adding > > "two zeros" would be $60,000 - $120,000/year. > > Yes - i missed this "monthly" and sorry for this. > ... > Even at first post i wrote that i'm not FreeBSD owners and they will > decide. We're all human. The potential sponsors might have missed the line where you said that you were not an owner. Just as you missed the bit where they were interested in monthly contributions. > Do you really mean i have enough power to just dumb any sponsors > (potential, not "potential") by writing a post on public mailing > list? Any person might look at people in the community and decide that they don't want to be a part of that community after all. That's why it would be nice if everyone could be courteous and helpful. I'm not specifically referring to you, Mr. Puchar. I'm talking about the general case. Like it or not, people who post on a mailing list or forum of an open source project often make or break the project and influence people's decisions to use support the project. Ubuntu's success is credited, in part, to the wonderful community. Erik From tajudd at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 22:22:08 2009 From: tajudd at gmail.com (Tim Judd) Date: Tue Jun 2 22:22:25 2009 Subject: Intel NIC issues In-Reply-To: <20090602220709.GA24465@owl.midgard.homeip.net> References: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956DF@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> <20090602220709.GA24465@owl.midgard.homeip.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Erik Trulsson wrote: > On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 09:56:01PM +0100, Graeme Dargie wrote: > > Hi all > > > > > > > > Ok lets not go to war over this I just need some advice. > > > > > > > > I have a 1u rack system that has one of these motherboards > > http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/E7501/X5DPR-iG2+.cfm > > Are you *sure* that you actually have that particular motherboard? > > As you can see if you look through their product listings > ( http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon1333/#e7501 ) > Supermicro has > several other similar models, some of which are equipped with one Gigabit > NIC and one 100Mbit NIC much like you seem to have.. > > > > > > > > > Now according to where I got the server and that page it is supposed to > > have dual gigabit nics on board. > > > > > > > > Dmesg shows the following > > > > > > > > em0: port 0x3000-0x301f mem > > 0xfc220000-0xfc23ffff,0xfc200000-0xfc21ffff irq 31 at device 4.0 on pci3 > > > > em0: [FILTER] > > > > em0: Ethernet address: 00:30:48:24:84:f2 > > > > > > > > fxp0: port 0x4400-0x443f mem > > 0xfc321000-0xfc321fff,0xfc300000-0xfc31ffff irq 17 at device 2.0 on pci4 > > > > miibus0: on fxp0 > > > > inphy0: PHY 1 on miibus0 > > > > inphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto > > > > fxp0: Ethernet address: 00:30:48:24:84:f3 > > > > fxp0: [ITHREAD] > > > > > > Now for reasons I can not fathom, one nic is showing just fine and the > > other is using a different driver and only speeds of upto 100mbs. > > The obvious reason is that there is two different ethernet controllers > on that board - one Gigabit and one 100Mbit. > > It is worth noting that according to the above, they are found on different > PCI-buses, while the dual-gigabit controller you thought you had is a > single > chip where obviously both ports would be connected to the same bus. > > > > > > > > > I have tried both 7.1 and 7.2 So is the information on the board wrong > > or is there something I am missing. > > Most likely you have a different motherboard than you think you have. > The *complete* dmesg output as well as the output of 'pciconf -lv' might > be useful in determining what you actually have. (Opening the box and > checking for any useful labels on the motherboard can also of course be > useful, but is not something we can help you doing.) > Using kenv smbios.system.product might be a good indication of what you have too. Good luck. Nothing like troubleshooting a piece of hardware from remote. :) From chris at smartt.com Tue Jun 2 22:33:26 2009 From: chris at smartt.com (Chris St Denis) Date: Tue Jun 2 22:33:34 2009 Subject: named: error sending response: not enough free resources Message-ID: <4A25A415.5010502@smartt.com> I occasionally get named errors like these in my messages log. I've done a lot of searching and have found others with similar problems, but no solutions. named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not enough free resources named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not enough free resources named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not enough free resources named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not enough free resources named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not enough free resources System isn't particularly heavily loaded. Load averages around 0.5, cpu averages about 90% idle, not swapping much. Other messages on this subject suggest a shortage of mbuffs of an issue with the nic driver (the item I read was complaining about fxp, but I have em) so here is the related info. eureka# uname -a FreeBSD eureka 6.3-RELEASE-p1 FreeBSD 6.3-RELEASE-p1 #1: Mon Feb 25 08:17:08 PST 2008 cstdenis@eureka:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/EUREKA i386 eureka# named -v BIND 9.3.4-P1 eureka# ifconfig em1 em1: flags=8843 mtu 1500 options=1b *IPs removed* ether 00:30:48:94:0a:31 media: Ethernet 10baseT/UTP status: active eureka# netstat -m 1240/2165/3405 mbufs in use (current/cache/total) 1216/1290/2506/25600 mbuf clusters in use (current/cache/total/max) 1216/150 mbuf+clusters out of packet secondary zone in use (current/cache) 0/0/0/0 4k (page size) jumbo clusters in use (current/cache/total/max) 0/0/0/0 9k jumbo clusters in use (current/cache/total/max) 0/0/0/0 16k jumbo clusters in use (current/cache/total/max) 2742K/3121K/5863K bytes allocated to network (current/cache/total) 0/0/0 requests for mbufs denied (mbufs/clusters/mbuf+clusters) 0/0/0 requests for jumbo clusters denied (4k/9k/16k) 8/430/6656 sfbufs in use (current/peak/max) 0 requests for sfbufs denied 0 requests for sfbufs delayed 999635 requests for I/O initiated by sendfile 276104 calls to protocol drain routines How do I fix this? -- Chris St Denis Programmer SmarttNet (www.smartt.com) Ph: 604-473-9700 Ext. 200 ------------------------------------------- "Smart Internet Solutions For Businesses" From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Tue Jun 2 22:35:06 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Tue Jun 2 22:35:13 2009 Subject: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) In-Reply-To: <20090602215339.GA86750@barragry.com> References: <4688025620918128507458768288443306245-Webmail@me.com> <20090602215339.GA86750@barragry.com> Message-ID: > Any person might look at people in the community and decide that they > don't want to be a part of that community after all. That's why it Just reread this and, ... don't you think it's quite like a good filter? I don't talk about sponsors, but a new potential users. If someone needs good unix, he/she will try it and join us. As i said before if he/she agrees with maillist users personal opinions doesn't matter at all. Rather if you can get answer to questions about FreeBSD. You can, even easier if some moderation would be present here. If someone needs to "feel good", "feel the spirit" instead of good software etc... Let's better use Ubuntu or whatever. Some people may want both, but well you can't have everything. It's not possible to everyone will agree with everyone on mailing list, and with every potential new user. This keeps the system's quality high. From freebsd-lists-erik at erikosterholm.org Tue Jun 2 22:46:23 2009 From: freebsd-lists-erik at erikosterholm.org (Erik Osterholm) Date: Tue Jun 2 22:46:36 2009 Subject: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) In-Reply-To: References: <4688025620918128507458768288443306245-Webmail@me.com> <20090602215339.GA86750@barragry.com> Message-ID: <20090602224622.GA88422@barragry.com> On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 12:03:06AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> ... > >> Even at first post i wrote that i'm not FreeBSD owners and they will > >> decide. > > > > We're all human. The potential sponsors might have missed the line > > where you said that you were not an owner. > > this way - nobody should write anyone. there is always a line that missed > - completely changes a sense of sentence. I'm sure you know that this is an absurd proposition. > >> Do you really mean i have enough power to just dumb any sponsors > >> (potential, not "potential") by writing a post on public mailing > >> list? > > > > Any person might look at people in the community and decide that > > they don't want to be a part of that community after all. That's > > why it would be nice if everyone could be courteous and helpful. > > > > I'm not specifically referring to you, Mr. Puchar. I'm talking > > about the general case. > > You are right. But do you try to say that we should think about > consequences for potential sponsoring every word we say?! > > Is FreeBSD FREE SOFTWARE or commercial product that's selling some > way? > > If first - then we should not care how much more/less money people > will pay as a gift every time we post. > > If second - then please Owners declare it clearly and just add > statement about this. Isn't there a middle-ground? Where we can care about how we present ourselves, yet we do not feel beholden to the possible sponsors? A good example would be to always respond kindly and appropriately, yet not yield to demands made on us by others. > Anyway - Do users of any commercial product support list must think > if their words will lower the selling of the product? i don't think > so. They probably care less about the product. I personally want FreeBSD to succeed because it is, in many ways, superior to all of the alternatives. As such, I hope that when I discuss it, I present it in a good light. For example, if someone asks me, "How do you do in FreeBSD?", I rarely suggest that the go read the fine manual. > But if i'm not right - please add on FreeBSD webpage/mailing list > info > > "Every sentence that can potentially lower the income or core team > are punished with 10 lashes. Erik Osterholm will be the executor". More absurdity. Erik From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Tue Jun 2 22:46:25 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Tue Jun 2 22:46:37 2009 Subject: named: error sending response: not enough free resources In-Reply-To: <4A25A415.5010502@smartt.com> References: <4A25A415.5010502@smartt.com> Message-ID: > lot of searching and have found others with similar problems, but no > solutions. > > named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not > enough free resources > named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not > enough free resources > named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not > enough free resources > named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not > enough free resources > named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not > enough free resources quite misleading message, but the problem is that named want to send UDP packet and get's error from kernel. possible reasons - your firewall rules are the cause - check it. - your network card produce problems (REALLY i have that case) - the network/LAN named tries to sent UDP packet is somehow flooded. i experienced all 3 cases. last is of course easiest to detect. > > Other messages on this subject suggest a shortage of mbuffs of an issue with no you are fine with mbufs, memory etc.. From mel.flynn+fbsd.questions at mailing.thruhere.net Tue Jun 2 22:47:39 2009 From: mel.flynn+fbsd.questions at mailing.thruhere.net (Mel Flynn) Date: Tue Jun 2 22:47:47 2009 Subject: migrating berkeley DBs (4.3 to 4.6) In-Reply-To: <4A2284D6.2080304@locolomo.org> References: <4A2284D6.2080304@locolomo.org> Message-ID: <200906030047.34680.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> On Sunday 31 May 2009 15:23:34 Erik Norgaard wrote: > Hi: > > I have cyrus-imapd 2.3 with Berkeley DB 4.3 and openldap also compiled > with BDB 4.3. > > Now, openldap won't build with 4.3 and defaults to 4.6 so I need to > migrate my data, and I would like to migrate my cyrus-imapd also to a > newer version of BDB. > > Are there any tools or tricks for doing this? > > The BDB v4.4 port refers to a compatibility page maintained at > sleepycat, but this is now redirected to Oracle and I find no such > information. Any page listing the db file compatibility? The big page @ oracle is here: Additional info and details: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=470084 -- Mel From fquest at ccstores.com Tue Jun 2 22:53:36 2009 From: fquest at ccstores.com (Jim Pazarena) Date: Tue Jun 2 22:53:43 2009 Subject: at/batch subsystem time limit Message-ID: <4A25A843.6060907@ccstores.com> Is there a upper execution (or real) time limit that the system enforces on at jobs? I have an at job which would run for at least two hours .. IF it would run to completion, but it always seems to die for unknown reasons. I do not get an email or any advice of the reason the job has terminated. So I was thinking that there may be a kernel timer which kills the job. is this possible? -- Jim Pazarena fquest@ccstores.com From freebsd-lists-erik at erikosterholm.org Tue Jun 2 22:55:33 2009 From: freebsd-lists-erik at erikosterholm.org (Erik Osterholm) Date: Tue Jun 2 22:55:46 2009 Subject: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) In-Reply-To: References: <4688025620918128507458768288443306245-Webmail@me.com> <20090602215339.GA86750@barragry.com> Message-ID: <20090602225532.GA88740@barragry.com> On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 12:34:55AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > Any person might look at people in the community and decide that they > > don't want to be a part of that community after all. That's why it > > Just reread this and, ... don't you think it's quite like a good filter? > > I don't talk about sponsors, but a new potential users. > > If someone needs good unix, he/she will try it and join us. As i said > before if he/she agrees with maillist users personal opinions doesn't > matter at all. Rather if you can get answer to questions about FreeBSD. > You can, even easier if some moderation would be present here. Considering that the mailing list is one of the few places where support exists, I don't know that I can agree with you. Also, I don't think that an artificial filter or barrier-to-entry is desirable, in general. If a person needs good unix, but they don't learn well by reading technical documentation, a good community can be highly beneficial. Personally, I wouldn't want to discriminate against users for this. > Some people may want both, but well you can't have everything. It's not > possible to everyone will agree with everyone on mailing list, and with > every potential new user. I know that disagreeing is inevitable. My position is that a pleasant tone would be nice. An example of a harsh tone (one which I haven't seen on here) is telling someone to RTFM. Another example (which I have seen on here) is people who just enjoy arguing turning reasonable threads into flamewars. > This keeps the system's quality high. I politely disagree. I doubt that a harsh community does anything to maintain a high-quality system. Erik From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Tue Jun 2 22:55:39 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Tue Jun 2 22:55:46 2009 Subject: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) In-Reply-To: <20090602224622.GA88422@barragry.com> References: <4688025620918128507458768288443306245-Webmail@me.com> <20090602215339.GA86750@barragry.com> <20090602224622.GA88422@barragry.com> Message-ID: >> this way - nobody should write anyone. there is always a line that missed >> - completely changes a sense of sentence. > > I'm sure you know that this is an absurd proposition. It's just explanation. You can't write anything that will be absolutely resistible to misreading. >> >> If second - then please Owners declare it clearly and just add >> statement about this. > > Isn't there a middle-ground? Where we can care about how we present > ourselves, yet we do not feel beholden to the possible sponsors? > > A good example would be to always respond kindly and appropriately, There is some difference between responding kindly, and shutting up being aware that your opinion may be not accepted by potential new users. If you are for the second - you propose that any "non-standard" opinion should not be presented. Actually - this way FreeBSD should cease to exist, because it's based on non-standard opinions about how operating system should be done - contrary to "standard" which define things like micro-soft windows. >> Anyway - Do users of any commercial product support list must think >> if their words will lower the selling of the product? i don't think >> so. > > They probably care less about the product. I personally want FreeBSD > to succeed because it is Why you want it to succeed? IT ALREADY DID! You should want it only to be kept that way - keeping the quality. > , in many ways, superior to all of the > alternatives. No - in many ways it does not have alternatives at all. > As such, I hope that when I discuss it, I present it in > a good light. For example, if someone asks me, "How do you do in > FreeBSD?", I rarely suggest that the go read the fine manual. And i do - when the answer is clearly readable in manual. So i help reader can both get answer to his question and learn how to use man(1) >> "Every sentence that can potentially lower the income or core team >> are punished with 10 lashes. Erik Osterholm will be the executor". > > More absurdity. Really no sense of humour? From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Tue Jun 2 23:01:54 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Tue Jun 2 23:02:00 2009 Subject: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) In-Reply-To: <20090602225532.GA88740@barragry.com> References: <4688025620918128507458768288443306245-Webmail@me.com> <20090602215339.GA86750@barragry.com> <20090602225532.GA88740@barragry.com> Message-ID: >> matter at all. Rather if you can get answer to questions about FreeBSD. >> You can, even easier if some moderation would be present here. > > Considering that the mailing list is one of the few places where > support exists, I don't know that I can agree with you. > > Also, I don't think that an artificial filter or barrier-to-entry is > desirable, in general. Definitely is. It saves our time and their time. > but they don't learn well by reading technical documentation Then he/she don't need unix, or at least will not ever be able to use it without ability to read the documentation. >> Some people may want both, but well you can't have everything. It's not >> possible to everyone will agree with everyone on mailing list, and with >> every potential new user. > > I know that disagreeing is inevitable. My position is that a pleasant > tone would be nice. Mine too. What i really don't like here sometimes are lack of discussion, just agressive answers from some people. > An example of a harsh tone (one which I haven't > seen on here) is telling someone to RTFM. No it isn't if you point out WHICH manual - which i always do. > Another example (which I > have seen on here) is people who just enjoy arguing turning reasonable > threads into flamewars. Maybe they enjoy, but usually - they just can't resist different opinions and start to attack personally. > >> This keeps the system's quality high. > > I politely disagree. I doubt that a harsh community does anything to > maintain a high-quality system. Why harsh? I don't understand you here. From steve at ibctech.ca Tue Jun 2 23:05:07 2009 From: steve at ibctech.ca (Steve Bertrand) Date: Tue Jun 2 23:05:15 2009 Subject: Set task priority Message-ID: <4A25B029.1030608@ibctech.ca> Hi everyone, I'm attempting to "mysqldump" a database on a box that is hovering near max CPU and mem usage. When I run the command, other critical programs fail to respond causing an 'outage-like' situation. Normally, this is a time-of-day task and will run happily later into the night, but I want to run it now. What is the best way to set priority on my task in order to ensure it completes as quickly as possible, but does not cause a situation where other programs and their children can't respond? Steve -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3233 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/attachments/20090602/f93d31b5/smime.bin From mikes at siralan.org Tue Jun 2 23:06:50 2009 From: mikes at siralan.org (Michael L. Squires) Date: Tue Jun 2 23:06:57 2009 Subject: Can One Query an Oracle 10 Data Base under FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE7D@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> References: <200906022159.n52LxQlS089946@dc.cis.okstate.edu> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE7D@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> Message-ID: <20090602182901.Y16783@familysquires.net> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009, Gary Gatten wrote: > Surely there's a native Oracle SQL or ODBC client in the ports > collection. Have you checked there? > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Martin > McCormick > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 4:59 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Can One Query an Oracle 10 Data Base under FreeBSD? > > The Subject is most of the question. We will need to query an > Oracle 10 data base and manipulate data. Is this presently > possible under FreeBSD? > > Thank you. > > > Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK > Systems Engineer > OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group There is a port of the Oracle instant client which runs under Linux emulation in /usr/ports/databases/linux-oracle-instantclient- This appears to use the 10.2.0.3 Oracle Linux instant client. I used them some time ago to query an Oracle 10g server, but I didn't test them extensively. There are also what appear to be older native clients from the Oracle 7 and 8 days, including an Oracle ODBC client. A search of the freebsd-databases mailing list might turn up something. I've been peeking at Talend's Open Studio which appears to be a very powerful tool for working with databases, including Oracle. This may be trying to shoot a mouse with a 155mm self-propelled gun, however. Talend is open source and there are Linux binaries which may run under FreeBSD Linux emulation. Mike Squires From glen.j.barber at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 23:09:35 2009 From: glen.j.barber at gmail.com (Glen Barber) Date: Tue Jun 2 23:09:42 2009 Subject: Set task priority In-Reply-To: <4A25B029.1030608@ibctech.ca> References: <4A25B029.1030608@ibctech.ca> Message-ID: <4ad871310906021609y4b85025bwe16346b824df7bf3@mail.gmail.com> Hi Steve On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 7:05 PM, Steve Bertrand wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm attempting to "mysqldump" a database on a box that is hovering near > max CPU and mem usage. > > When I run the command, other critical programs fail to respond causing > an 'outage-like' situation. > > Normally, this is a time-of-day task and will run happily later into the > night, but I want to run it now. > > What is the best way to set priority on my task in order to ensure it > completes as quickly as possible, but does not cause a situation where > other programs and their children can't respond? > You can use nice(1) or renice(1) to set priorities, but I/O and bandwidth will end up being your bottleneck. -- Glen Barber http://www.dev-urandom.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/glenjbarber From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Tue Jun 2 23:11:08 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Tue Jun 2 23:11:16 2009 Subject: Set task priority In-Reply-To: <4A25B029.1030608@ibctech.ca> References: <4A25B029.1030608@ibctech.ca> Message-ID: > When I run the command, other critical programs fail to respond causing > an 'outage-like' situation. > > Normally, this is a time-of-day task and will run happily later into the > night, but I want to run it now. > > What is the best way to set priority on my task in order to ensure it > completes as quickly as possible, but does not cause a situation where > other programs and their children can't respond? generally single program could not make that - FreeBSD schedules tasks well. in certain cases it may be like that. For example - programs that runs for long time constantly and uses CPU gets automatically "downgraded" so your newly run backup task can make them really out of CPU power. man nice will help you - get your backup program priority down. Actually i don't know if "downgrading" (called autorenice) can be disabled for certain processes. If would make sense for - say - database servers. Anyone know? From mikes at siralan.org Tue Jun 2 23:12:04 2009 From: mikes at siralan.org (Michael L. Squires) Date: Tue Jun 2 23:12:11 2009 Subject: Intel NIC issues In-Reply-To: References: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956DF@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> <20090602220709.GA24465@owl.midgard.homeip.net> Message-ID: <20090602190148.B16783@familysquires.net> > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Erik Trulsson wrote: > > Using kenv smbios.system.product might be a good indication of what you > have too. > Running "kenv smbios.system.product" on two of my machines with Supermicro motherboards gives me "P4SSE" and "P4DC6" which are both correct. I know Supermicro has made variants of boards for vendors; for example, I have a P4DC6 which has no RAID card slot (the solder pads are there, not the card connector) although this is alleged to be a standard feature of the P4DC6 in the Supermicro manual. I have a 1U server (the P4SSE) with a "bge" gigabit Ethernet NIC; rather than fight with the cards issues I installed an Intel PCI-X gigabit card, cost $15. Now that the "bge" problems appear to be solved I may go back to it, however. (The Intel NIC uses an internal riser which allows for one card). If your vendor promised you two gigabit NICs this may be the cheap solution (other than replacing the motherboard). I'm using Intel Pro/1000 and Pro/100 cards exclusively, except in a notebook, and I've never found FreeBSD to incorrectly identify the card. Mike Squires From steve at ibctech.ca Tue Jun 2 23:12:21 2009 From: steve at ibctech.ca (Steve Bertrand) Date: Tue Jun 2 23:12:28 2009 Subject: Set task priority In-Reply-To: <4ad871310906021609y4b85025bwe16346b824df7bf3@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A25B029.1030608@ibctech.ca> <4ad871310906021609y4b85025bwe16346b824df7bf3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A25B1DA.10201@ibctech.ca> Glen Barber wrote: > Hi Steve > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 7:05 PM, Steve Bertrand wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> I'm attempting to "mysqldump" a database on a box that is hovering near >> max CPU and mem usage. >> >> When I run the command, other critical programs fail to respond causing >> an 'outage-like' situation. >> >> Normally, this is a time-of-day task and will run happily later into the >> night, but I want to run it now. >> >> What is the best way to set priority on my task in order to ensure it >> completes as quickly as possible, but does not cause a situation where >> other programs and their children can't respond? >> > > You can use nice(1) or renice(1) to set priorities, but I/O and > bandwidth will end up being your bottleneck. Thanks Glen, I'll have to play around a bit. Looking closer, it does appear to be a disk I/O issue, but I figured that if I tried to prioritize the job, it might ease-up on all system aspects. Cheers, Steve -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Nope eureka# ipfw list 00100 allow ip from any to any via lo0 00200 deny ip from any to 127.0.0.0/8 00300 deny ip from 127.0.0.0/8 to any 65534 allow ip from any to any 65535 deny ip from any to any > - your network card produce problems (REALLY i have that case) I have had this kind of error on multiple servers over the years, so i don't think it's a hardware problem. > - the network/LAN named tries to sent UDP packet is somehow flooded. Dns is probably fairly busy. It's the primary authorative dns for some busy domains. Is there a setting I can do to increase the limits of UDP packets to keep it from causing problems? The server is approaching it's 10 mbps interface speed during peak hours, I may need to upgrade it to 100mbps. > > i experienced all 3 cases. last is of course easiest to detect. > >> >> Other messages on this subject suggest a shortage of mbuffs of an >> issue with > > no you are fine with mbufs, memory etc.. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Chris St Denis Programmer SmarttNet (www.smartt.com) Ph: 604-473-9700 Ext. 200 ------------------------------------------- "Smart Internet Solutions For Businesses" From glarkin at FreeBSD.org Tue Jun 2 23:19:57 2009 From: glarkin at FreeBSD.org (Greg Larkin) Date: Tue Jun 2 23:20:05 2009 Subject: Set task priority In-Reply-To: <4A25B1DA.10201@ibctech.ca> References: <4A25B029.1030608@ibctech.ca> <4ad871310906021609y4b85025bwe16346b824df7bf3@mail.gmail.com> <4A25B1DA.10201@ibctech.ca> Message-ID: <4A25B395.6060502@FreeBSD.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Steve Bertrand wrote: > Glen Barber wrote: >> Hi Steve >> >> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 7:05 PM, Steve Bertrand wrote: >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> I'm attempting to "mysqldump" a database on a box that is hovering near >>> max CPU and mem usage. >>> >>> When I run the command, other critical programs fail to respond causing >>> an 'outage-like' situation. >>> >>> Normally, this is a time-of-day task and will run happily later into the >>> night, but I want to run it now. >>> >>> What is the best way to set priority on my task in order to ensure it >>> completes as quickly as possible, but does not cause a situation where >>> other programs and their children can't respond? >>> >> You can use nice(1) or renice(1) to set priorities, but I/O and >> bandwidth will end up being your bottleneck. > > Thanks Glen, > > I'll have to play around a bit. Looking closer, it does appear to be a > disk I/O issue, but I figured that if I tried to prioritize the job, it > might ease-up on all system aspects. > > Cheers, > > Steve Hi Steve, I had the same situation here, and nice(1) wasn't cutting it for me. I finally switched to idprio(1): http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=idprio&sourceid=opensearch idprio 31 mysqldump ..... will run only when other processes are idle. That should prevent any further self-incurred DOS symptoms for you. Cheers, Greg - -- Greg Larkin http://www.FreeBSD.org/ - The Power To Serve http://www.sourcehosting.net/ - Ready. Set. Code. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKJbOV0sRouByUApARAs7DAKC2+IC4xaB+ErFBlIAdhvoLd9isigCgr9Gc 8nScru/gfYcptK1EeFaekfI= =SS04 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From steve at ibctech.ca Tue Jun 2 23:25:39 2009 From: steve at ibctech.ca (Steve Bertrand) Date: Tue Jun 2 23:25:46 2009 Subject: Set task priority In-Reply-To: <4A25B395.6060502@FreeBSD.org> References: <4A25B029.1030608@ibctech.ca> <4ad871310906021609y4b85025bwe16346b824df7bf3@mail.gmail.com> <4A25B1DA.10201@ibctech.ca> <4A25B395.6060502@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: <4A25B4FB.4040003@ibctech.ca> Greg Larkin wrote: > Steve Bertrand wrote: >> I'll have to play around a bit. Looking closer, it does appear to be a >> disk I/O issue, but I figured that if I tried to prioritize the job, it >> might ease-up on all system aspects. > I had the same situation here, and nice(1) wasn't cutting it for me. I > finally switched to idprio(1): > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=idprio&sourceid=opensearch > > idprio 31 mysqldump ..... > > will run only when other processes are idle. That should prevent any > further self-incurred DOS symptoms for you. Ok that looks promising. I will give that a try and see how it goes. Before I ask how mysqldump works, I'll have to do some research on when/how/if/how long it holds the db tables unreadable/unwritable during it's process, if it does it at all. Steve -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll have to add that to my toolbox. :) -- Glen Barber http://www.dev-urandom.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/glenjbarber From bruce at cran.org.uk Tue Jun 2 23:49:22 2009 From: bruce at cran.org.uk (Bruce Cran) Date: Tue Jun 2 23:49:28 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:59:51 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > I believe people can get more experience in general with open source > > technologies than they can with closed source. The reason is > > simple: I can look at the code. I can study it. I can see what > > ${APPLICATION} is doing, and how the developer designed it. This, > > in itself, makes me better at what I do, and better at > > troubleshooting my own code. > > I would add - with Open Source add it's far smaller (actually close > to zero) probability that it doesn't do anything except it's supposed > to do. > > I mean things like sending private data to someone else, scanning for > other programs i have on disk, my addressbook etc. Given enough incentive, it unfortunately seems even open source developers will resort to sneaky tactics: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/05/mozilla-ponders-policy-change-after-firefox-extension-battle.ars -- Bruce Cran From arab at tangerine-army.co.uk Wed Jun 3 00:16:07 2009 From: arab at tangerine-army.co.uk (Graeme Dargie) Date: Wed Jun 3 00:16:14 2009 Subject: Intel NIC issues In-Reply-To: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956DF@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> Message-ID: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956E2@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> -----Original Message----- From: Graeme Dargie [mailto:arab@tangerine-army.co.uk] Sent: 02 June 2009 21:56 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Intel NIC issues I opened the case and the motherboard does not match what was supposed to be in the machine. I will contact the supplier and see what happens from there. Regards Graeme From kurt.buff at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 00:19:10 2009 From: kurt.buff at gmail.com (Kurt Buff) Date: Wed Jun 3 00:19:17 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 08:12, madunix wrote: > Dear Experts, That's an incorrect assumption! Heh. No expert me... > I want to know out of your experience people the following, > 1- How open source served your businesses ?requirements? Low cost implementations of useful tools for spam/virus mitigation and network monitoring, plus a network gateway. > 2- What kind of application that running on Open Source? Maia Mailguard (including postfix, mysql, clamav, spamassassin), ntop, netdisco, mrtg, nagios and a few others. Built a gateway/router with a whitebox, FreeBSD and 3 dual-port NICS to segregate our production network from our test/dev networks. Built a router with a Sangoma card and a white box for our DS3 and T1 connections. > 3- General experience with Open Source technology? In what sense do you ask? > Your input would be really appreciated. Turn about is fair play, methinks. For what purpose(s) are you asking the question? Kurt From steve at ibctech.ca Wed Jun 3 00:38:35 2009 From: steve at ibctech.ca (Steve Bertrand) Date: Wed Jun 3 00:38:42 2009 Subject: named: error sending response: not enough free resources In-Reply-To: <4A25B309.7000701@smartt.com> References: <4A25A415.5010502@smartt.com> <4A25B309.7000701@smartt.com> Message-ID: <4A25C613.3070301@ibctech.ca> Chris St Denis wrote: > Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> possible reasons >> - your firewall rules are the cause - check it. > > Nope > > eureka# ipfw list > >> - your network card produce problems (REALLY i have that case) > > I have had this kind of error on multiple servers over the years, so > i don't think it's a hardware problem. > >> - the network/LAN named tries to sent UDP packet is somehow flooded. > > Dns is probably fairly busy. It's the primary authorative dns for > some busy domains. Is there a setting I can do to increase the > limits of UDP packets to keep it from causing problems? > > The server is approaching it's 10 mbps interface speed during peak > hours, I may need to upgrade it to 100mbps. The 10Mb ceiling (provided by your ifconfig output) could be a damper on this. What type of device is em1 attached to? Is it a switch or a hub? Is it possible to upgrade this? You should upgrade it to 100 (or 1000) anyways. Does this device show any collisions? Can you do the following for a few minutes (until at least the problem is triggered): # tcpdump -n -i em1 proto 17 port 53 -s -w /var/log/dns.pcap ...and then: # mail -s "tcpdump output" steve@ipv6canada.com < /var/log/dns.pcap Is this server a caching recursive server for internal clients, or an authoritative server? What else runs on this box? If you generate further network traffic over the interface, do the log entries pile up faster? What does: # netstat -s -p udp say? I'd focus squarely on the 10Mbps cap first. That should be easy to test and eliminate. Then, once that is rectified, we can find out whether it's an inherent problem with the system. Steve -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's the primary authorative dns for >> some busy domains. Is there a setting I can do to increase the >> limits of UDP packets to keep it from causing problems? >> >> The server is approaching it's 10 mbps interface speed during peak >> hours, I may need to upgrade it to 100mbps. > > The 10Mb ceiling (provided by your ifconfig output) could be a damper on > this. > > What type of device is em1 attached to? Is it a switch or a hub? Is it > possible to upgrade this? You should upgrade it to 100 (or 1000) > anyways. Does this device show any collisions? > > Can you do the following for a few minutes (until at least the problem > is triggered): > > # tcpdump -n -i em1 proto 17 port 53 -s -w /var/log/dns.pcap ...meh, that should be: # tcpdump -n -i em1 proto 17 and port 53 -s -w /var/log/dns.pcap Steve -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's the primary authorative dns for >>> some busy domains. Is there a setting I can do to increase the >>> limits of UDP packets to keep it from causing problems? >>> >>> The server is approaching it's 10 mbps interface speed during peak >>> hours, I may need to upgrade it to 100mbps. >> The 10Mb ceiling (provided by your ifconfig output) could be a damper on >> this. >> >> What type of device is em1 attached to? Is it a switch or a hub? Is it >> possible to upgrade this? You should upgrade it to 100 (or 1000) >> anyways. Does this device show any collisions? >> >> Can you do the following for a few minutes (until at least the problem >> is triggered): >> >> # tcpdump -n -i em1 proto 17 port 53 -s -w /var/log/dns.pcap > > ...meh, that should be: > > # tcpdump -n -i em1 proto 17 and port 53 -s -w /var/log/dns.pcap Ok. Perhaps I'm getting too old to try to recollect from memory. One more try (tested ;) pearl# tcpdump -n -i em1 -s 0 -w /var/log/dns.pcap port 53 and proto 17 Sorry! 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It's the primary authorative dns for >> some busy domains. Is there a setting I can do to increase the >> limits of UDP packets to keep it from causing problems? >> >> The server is approaching it's 10 mbps interface speed during peak >> hours, I may need to upgrade it to 100mbps. >> > > The 10Mb ceiling (provided by your ifconfig output) could be a damper on > this. > > What type of device is em1 attached to? Is it a switch or a hub? Is it > possible to upgrade this? You should upgrade it to 100 (or 1000) > anyways. Does this device show any collisions? > This is a dedicated server in a datacenter. I don't know the exact switch specs but it's likely a layer 2/3 managed switch. Probably a 1U catalyst. I can upgrade the connection to 100mbps for a small monthly fee. I've left it at 10 because I haven't had a need, but with traffic recently growing, this is probably the problem. > Can you do the following for a few minutes (until at least the problem > is triggered): > > # tcpdump -n -i em1 proto 17 port 53 -s -w /var/log/dns.pcap > > ...and then: > > # mail -s "tcpdump output" steve@ipv6canada.com < /var/log/dns.pcap > I don't think this is necessary. If cutting down the http traffic or raising the port speed doesn't fix it, I'll look into further debugging with this. > Is this server a caching recursive server for internal clients, or an > authoritative server? > An authoritative for some moderately busy domains. Also recursive for some jails on this and another server (main recursive is on a private (10.0.0.0/24 on em0) network, and this server predates multi-ip jails) A "tcpdump -n -i em1 -s 0 port 53 > packets.txt" for 1 minute shows eureka# wc -l packets.txt 359 packets.txt So about 350 dns packets a minute, at least in this particular minute. Less than I expected, I guess most is going to the other dns server at the moment. > What else runs on this box? > Web hosting. Thats where the full 10mbps comes from. > If you generate further network traffic over the interface, do the log > entries pile up faster? > > What does: > > # netstat -s -p udp > eureka# netstat -s -p udp udp: 194973570 datagrams received 0 with incomplete header 13 with bad data length field 884 with bad checksum 68521 with no checksum 669174 dropped due to no socket 17 broadcast/multicast datagrams dropped due to no socket 733 dropped due to full socket buffers 0 not for hashed pcb 194302749 delivered 195188906 datagrams output Fyi, if these are since last reboot, this server has been up 381 days. > say? > > I'd focus squarely on the 10Mbps cap first. That should be easy to test > and eliminate. Then, once that is rectified, we can find out whether > it's an inherent problem with the system. > Yes, I'll deal with this, then reply again if the problem is not resolved. Thanks for the suggestions. > Steve > From tajudd at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 01:06:20 2009 From: tajudd at gmail.com (Tim Judd) Date: Wed Jun 3 01:06:33 2009 Subject: named: error sending response: not enough free resources In-Reply-To: References: <4A25A415.5010502@smartt.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Wojciech Puchar < wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> wrote: > lot of searching and have found others with similar problems, but no >> solutions. >> >> named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not >> enough free resources >> named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not >> enough free resources >> named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not >> enough free resources >> named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not >> enough free resources >> named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not >> enough free resources >> > > quite misleading message, but the problem is that named want to send UDP > packet and get's error from kernel. > > > possible reasons > - your firewall rules are the cause - check it. Not logically. If the firewall were to block it, we would not (except by logging) see any error. The error we're seeing is the inability to send the packet, such as the Tx or Rx buffer in the ethernet card is full and can't store another item in the queue > > - your network card produce problems (REALLY i have that case) > a 1000Mbit card on a 10Mbit link can have problems. A 100/10Mbit card on a 10Mbit doesn't have the same problems. Had that problem in past jobs. > - the network/LAN named tries to sent UDP packet is somehow flooded. > Given the OPs later response that he's reaching the 10Mbit capacity, this is very likely, and would be the first thing I'd check out. Given that you're unable to send the packets, I'd say the NICs Tx buffer is full due to a network link at capacity, so the NIC driver is returning an error when it tries to queue the packet in the buffers. From tajudd at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 01:10:16 2009 From: tajudd at gmail.com (Tim Judd) Date: Wed Jun 3 01:11:02 2009 Subject: named: error sending response: not enough free resources In-Reply-To: <4A25B309.7000701@smartt.com> References: <4A25A415.5010502@smartt.com> <4A25B309.7000701@smartt.com> Message-ID: - the network/LAN named tries to sent UDP packet is somehow flooded. >> > > Dns is probably fairly busy. It's the primary authorative dns for > some busy domains. Is there a setting I can do to increase the > limits of UDP packets to keep it from causing problems? > If you extend the SOA record to extend the refresh/TTL etc, you can lighten the load, until that refresh hits again. There is no solution other than to bump up the bandwidth, it seems. From rwmaillists at googlemail.com Wed Jun 3 01:15:01 2009 From: rwmaillists at googlemail.com (RW) Date: Wed Jun 3 01:15:10 2009 Subject: Set task priority In-Reply-To: <4A25B395.6060502@FreeBSD.org> References: <4A25B029.1030608@ibctech.ca> <4ad871310906021609y4b85025bwe16346b824df7bf3@mail.gmail.com> <4A25B1DA.10201@ibctech.ca> <4A25B395.6060502@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: <20090603021426.67acd729@gumby.homeunix.com> On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:19:49 -0400 Greg Larkin wrote: > I had the same situation here, and nice(1) wasn't cutting it for me. > I finally switched to idprio(1): > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=idprio&sourceid=opensearch > > idprio 31 mysqldump ..... > > will run only when other processes are idle. That should prevent any > further self-incurred DOS symptoms for you. IIRC idprio can actually make things worse under heavy load, because it can lead to priority inversion. I think that's why you have to be root to set it. From steve at ibctech.ca Wed Jun 3 01:19:21 2009 From: steve at ibctech.ca (Steve Bertrand) Date: Wed Jun 3 01:19:28 2009 Subject: named: error sending response: not enough free resources In-Reply-To: <4A25CC86.90509@smartt.com> References: <4A25A415.5010502@smartt.com> <4A25B309.7000701@smartt.com> <4A25C613.3070301@ibctech.ca> <4A25CC86.90509@smartt.com> Message-ID: <4A25CFA1.50104@ibctech.ca> Chris St Denis wrote: > Steve Bertrand wrote: >> What type of device is em1 attached to? Is it a switch or a hub? Is it >> possible to upgrade this? You should upgrade it to 100 (or 1000) >> anyways. Does this device show any collisions? >> > This is a dedicated server in a datacenter. I don't know the exact > switch specs but it's likely a > layer 2/3 managed switch. Probably a 1U catalyst. Do you force 10Mb on your NIC, or do you auto-negotiate that? Perhaps before you pay a higher fee, your colo centre could allow you to connect to a 100Mb port (with perhaps some traffic policing) so you, as a client, could quickly verify if you want to scale up to their next tier without having to spend these up-front costs on troubleshooting this back-asswards. > I can upgrade the connection to 100mbps for a small monthly fee. I've > left it at 10 because I haven't > had a need, but with traffic recently growing, this is probably the problem. Tell the colo that. Tell them you need to test their next tier of service! >> # mail -s "tcpdump output" steve@ipv6canada.com < /var/log/dns.pcap >> > I don't think this is necessary. If cutting down the http traffic or > raising the port speed doesn't > fix it, I'll look into further debugging with this. ...one more time, don't attempt to throttle your own traffic to troubleshoot what looks like a throughput bottleneck. Start with the collocation provider. They should, for free, allow you to have a testing period with their next service tier. Hopefully, they can do it without having to swap your Ethernet cable into another device. If it works during the test, then a small 'migration' and monthly upgrade fee would be acceptable (if they choose). Steve -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have been on this questions list for years and once before I had posts blocked for some reason after something on your side was updated. Can you check for me please. ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* + < email: noc@hdk5.net > "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol From steve at ibctech.ca Wed Jun 3 03:03:18 2009 From: steve at ibctech.ca (Steve Bertrand) Date: Wed Jun 3 03:03:34 2009 Subject: Is gray listing blocking my server? In-Reply-To: <4A25E288.6@hdk5.net> References: <4A25E288.6@hdk5.net> Message-ID: <4A25E66E.30006@ibctech.ca> Al Plant wrote: > Aloha, > > Is there something blocking my server from posting to the list. I can > post fine to test. > I have been on this questions list for years and once before I had posts > blocked for some reason after something on your side was updated. > Can you check for me please. I've received your message ok...and your last "Test" message. Steve -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3233 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/attachments/20090603/dfa96a28/smime.bin From glen.j.barber at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 03:07:17 2009 From: glen.j.barber at gmail.com (Glen Barber) Date: Wed Jun 3 03:07:23 2009 Subject: Is gray listing blocking my server? In-Reply-To: <4A25E66E.30006@ibctech.ca> References: <4A25E288.6@hdk5.net> <4A25E66E.30006@ibctech.ca> Message-ID: <4ad871310906022007se5e2556r9680316aaa300bc9@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:56 PM, Steve Bertrand wrote: > Al Plant wrote: >> Aloha, >> >> Is there something blocking my server from posting to the list. I can >> post fine to test. >> I have been on this questions list for years and once before I had posts >> blocked for some reason after something on your side was updated. >> Can you check for me please. > > I've received your message ok...and your last "Test" message. > > Steve > Same here. -- Glen Barber http://www.dev-urandom.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/glenjbarber From anujhere at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 03:20:15 2009 From: anujhere at gmail.com (Anuj Singh) Date: Wed Jun 3 03:20:22 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3120c9e30906021915m4d1465f7jbf01a609827b5539@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:42 PM, madunix wrote: > Dear Experts, > > I want to know out of your experience people the following, > 1- How open source served your businesses ?requirements? Better performance, stability & savings. > 2- What kind of application that running on Open Source? I've seen many, mail servers, DNS servers, Cluster (HA), mysql, apache, tomact, snort, nessus, long list, you want it you get it. Most recent is a proxy server which is working great over FreeBSD and is far far better than the any other $MS based server. > 3- General experience with Open Source technology? Satisfaction. Easy support available, there are many great people who can always help you out, you don't have to sit and wait for the support from a bunch of people, where you really can't get what's happening, you don't have the code. Open source Do as it says. It's wonderful, and as good as it's user. > > Your input would be really appreciated. > > Thanks > madunix > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Thanks & Regards Anuj Singh From frank at shute.org.uk Wed Jun 3 04:32:07 2009 From: frank at shute.org.uk (Frank Shute) Date: Wed Jun 3 04:32:13 2009 Subject: shell script port In-Reply-To: References: <20090602160112.GA76243@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090603043155.GA79586@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 07:42:56PM +0200, Stefan Miklosovic wrote: > > Hi, Hi Stefan, > > > > If you don't fancy porting it yourself, I'd be happy to have a go at > > porting it for you. > > > > I want to port a more complex piece of software to FreeBSD but I > > wouldn't mind starting on a simple port first so as to familiarise > > myself with the porting process. > > > > > > That program should be my result of project in > school in next months. it is not necessary > to port it, but it would be nice to show up that > I am able to do so :) Best of luck with that! Don't be bashful (groan...pun intended) make sure you post any questions to questions@ and ports@. Even though it's for school, part of building software is collaboration which means asking others questions when you get stuck, amongst other things. > > If that program was successfull, i would like > to maintain it as long as possible, just for fun. Good. I hope your script is useful to others > > I read porters handbook briefly, I have never ported so > it will be quite interesting. porters handbook open in browser, your Makefile open in an editor of your choice and an example Makefile open in less(1) and you shouldn't go too far wrong. Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html From fbsdlilly at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 05:17:33 2009 From: fbsdlilly at gmail.com (mojo fms) Date: Wed Jun 3 05:17:40 2009 Subject: acpi HD spin down and CPU sleep Message-ID: How would I configure freebsd 7.1 (7.2 upgrade in the future) to sleep the HD's and maybe sleep the CPU after an idle time out? I am trying to save power and I would like it to wake on network requests and HD needs. I read the handbook and looked at the acpiconf man page and such but I have not seen anything about doing this really. Thanks From on at cs.ait.ac.th Wed Jun 3 05:20:45 2009 From: on at cs.ait.ac.th (Olivier Nicole) Date: Wed Jun 3 05:20:51 2009 Subject: Cannot delete files in Samba Message-ID: <200906030520.n535KgpD067034@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> Hi, I recently upgraded from Samba 3.0.31 to 3.3.2 on a FreeBSD 6.4 server, and since then, the Windows machines have no right to delete files unless the directory is "chmod o+w" I tried to play with "map read only" and 'store dos attribues" but not to avail. My FreeBSD server is quite standard, the Samba cnfiguration too. I Googled with no succees. Any clue is much welcome. Best regards, Olivier From tajudd at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 05:34:20 2009 From: tajudd at gmail.com (Tim Judd) Date: Wed Jun 3 05:34:27 2009 Subject: acpi HD spin down and CPU sleep In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:17 PM, mojo fms wrote: > How would I configure freebsd 7.1 (7.2 upgrade in the future) to sleep the > HD's and maybe sleep the CPU after an idle time out? I am trying to save > power and I would like it to wake on network requests and HD needs. I read > the handbook and looked at the acpiconf man page and such but I have not > seen anything about doing this really. > > Thanks > ataidle in ports for the HDD powerd in base for the CPU (if the CPU supports it) From jjuanino at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 06:41:26 2009 From: jjuanino at gmail.com (Jose Garcia Juanino) Date: Wed Jun 3 06:41:32 2009 Subject: Can One Query an Oracle 10 Data Base under FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <20090602182901.Y16783@familysquires.net> References: <200906022159.n52LxQlS089946@dc.cis.okstate.edu> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE7D@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090602182901.Y16783@familysquires.net> Message-ID: <20090603064116.GA1899@banach> El mi?rcoles 03 de junio a las 00:41:16 CEST, Michael L. Squires escribi?: > > There is a port of the Oracle instant client which runs under Linux > emulation in /usr/ports/databases/linux-oracle-instantclient- > > This appears to use the 10.2.0.3 Oracle Linux instant client. > > I used them some time ago to query an Oracle 10g server, but I didn't test > them extensively. I use sqlplus with instantclient every day and every hour in my FreeBSD desktop, and works perfectly. I had some issues in FreeBSD 7.0: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-emulation/2008-September/005247.html but they were fixed in FreeBSD 7.1. Apart from sqlplus with instantcliente, you can give a try to databases/sqldeveloper. It works with java, which has addvantages and dissanvantages. Regards -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 196 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/attachments/20090603/5aff5666/attachment.pgp From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Wed Jun 3 06:48:25 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Wed Jun 3 06:48:33 2009 Subject: named: error sending response: not enough free resources In-Reply-To: <4A25B309.7000701@smartt.com> References: <4A25A415.5010502@smartt.com> <4A25B309.7000701@smartt.com> Message-ID: > - the network/LAN named tries to sent UDP packet is somehow flooded. > > Dns is probably fairly busy. It's the primary authorative dns for some busy domains. > Is there a setting I can do to increase the limits of UDP packets to keep it from > causing problems? it would need to sent 50 (i think) udp packets in burst faster than NIC can send it. unlikely. i'm 90% sure there is some problem with network. From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Wed Jun 3 06:50:01 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Wed Jun 3 06:50:08 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> Message-ID: >> >> I mean things like sending private data to someone else, scanning for >> other programs i have on disk, my addressbook etc. > > Given enough incentive, it unfortunately seems even open source > developers will resort to sneaky tactics: > http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/05/mozilla-ponders-policy-change-after-firefox-extension-battle.ars but it's at least much more difficult. And - my other rule fits very well here. Avoid OVERCOMPLEX programs. Unfortunately there are no well done WWW browsers for unix in the world. links -g is an exceptions, but in the same time it's quite limited. But have best fonts :) From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Wed Jun 3 06:51:26 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Wed Jun 3 06:51:32 2009 Subject: Intel NIC issues In-Reply-To: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956E2@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> References: <01FB8F39BAD0BD49A6D0DA8F7897392956E2@Mercury.galaxy.lan.lcl> Message-ID: > > > I opened the case and the motherboard does not match what was supposed > to be in the machine. I will contact the supplier and see what happens > from there. Maybe it was just a mistake, but i bet not. At least here putting other cheaper products in computer and getting a price for the expensive one - is very common practice in polish shops. Simply because most people buy more expensive because it's "better" and will not see a difference then - so such cheating works. From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Wed Jun 3 06:54:51 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Wed Jun 3 06:54:58 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: <3120c9e30906021915m4d1465f7jbf01a609827b5539@mail.gmail.com> References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <3120c9e30906021915m4d1465f7jbf01a609827b5539@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >> >> I want to know out of your experience people the following, >> 1- How open source served your businesses ?requirements? > Better performance, stability & savings. Only saving is a feature of Open Source software. Others are features of just particular programs you use! > >> 2- What kind of application that running on Open Source? > I've seen many, mail servers, DNS servers, Cluster (HA), mysql, > apache, tomact, snort, nessus, long list, you want it you get it. Most > recent is a proxy server which is working great over FreeBSD and is > far far better than the any other $MS based server. There are not only "open source products" and micro-soft in the world. Of course i agree about performance of FreeBSD based setups. From sajozsattila at citromail.hu Wed Jun 3 07:19:29 2009 From: sajozsattila at citromail.hu (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Saj=F3_Zsolt_Attila?=) Date: Wed Jun 3 07:19:38 2009 Subject: sshd in jail Message-ID: <20090603071925.22294.qmail@server14.citromail.hu> Hi! I would like use the sshd in jail, but the port forwarding doesn't work in the pf firewall. My jail ip: 10.0.0.40. If I use the ssh -l user 10.0.0.40 command it's well, but when I use the "ssh -p 5859 -vv -l user luk1814.no-ip.org" command I get this error: OpenSSH_5.1p1 FreeBSD-20080901, OpenSSL 0.9.8e 23 Feb 2007 debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 0 debug1: Connecting to luk1814.no-ip.org [84.3.27.205] port 5859. debug1: connect to address 84.3.27.205 port 5859: Connection refused ssh: connect to host luk1814.no-ip.org port 5859: Connection refused The "pfctr -sn" command output's: nat on vr0 inet from 10.0.0.20 to any -> (vr0) round-robin nat on vr0 inet from 10.0.0.40 to any -> (vr0) round-robin rdr on vr0 inet proto tcp from any to any port = 5859 -> 10.0.0.40 port 22 My pf.conf: Ext = "vr0" # output interface Loop = "lo0" # Loopback interface IntNet1="10.0.0.20" # Jail 1 IntNet2="10.0.0.40" # Jail 2 this is running the sshd NoRoute = "{ 127.0.0.1/8, 192.168.0.0/16, 172.16.0.0/12, 10.0.0.0/8, 255.255.255.255/32 }" InServicesTCP = "{ ssh, http, https }" OutServicesTCP = "{ http, https, whois, domain, ssh, ftp, ftp-data, nntp, 1863, 8880 }" OutServicesUDP = "{ ntp, domain }" NowDeny = "{ 445, 67, 68 }" X11 = "{ 6010, 5900}" Timeserver = "{ 148.6.0.1 }" CVSupServers = "{ 212.19.57.134 }" CVSupPorts = "{ 5999 }" DynDNSServer = "{ 63.208.196.94 }" DynDNSPorts = "{ 8245 }" scrub in on $Ext all altq on $Ext priq bandwidth 100Kb queue { q_pri, q_def } queue q_pri priority 7 queue q_def priority 1 priq(default) nat on $Ext from $IntNet1 to any -> ($Ext) nat on $Ext from $IntNet2 to any -> ($Ext) rdr on $Ext proto tcp from any to any port 5859 -> $IntNet2 port 22 block in quick on $Ext proto { tcp, udp} from any to any port $NowDeny block out log on $Ext all block in log on $Ext all block return-rst out log on $Ext proto tcp all block return-rst in log on $Ext proto tcp all block return-icmp out log on $Ext proto udp all block return-icmp in log on $Ext proto udp all block in log quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any flags FUP/FUP block in log quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any flags SF/SFRA block in log quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any flags /SFRA block in log quick on $Ext from $NoRoute to any block out log quick on $Ext from any to $NoRoute block in quick on $Ext from any to 255.255.255.255 pass in quick on $Ext proto tcp from any to $IntNet2 port 8022 keep state pass in quick on $Loop all pass out quick on $Loop all pass out quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any port > 1024 flags S/SA keep state pass out quick on $Ext inet proto icmp all icmp-type 8 code 0 keep state pass in log quick on $Ext inet proto icmp all icmp-type 8 code 0 keep state pass in quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any port $InServicesTCP flags S/SA keep state pass out quick on $Ext inet proto udp from any to any port $OutServicesUDP keep state pass out quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any port $OutServicesTCP flags S/SA modulate state pass out quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to $CVSupServers port $CVSupPorts flags S/SA modulate state pass out quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to $Timeserver port time flags S/SA modulate state pass out quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any port { 6880><6889, 6969 } flags S/SAFR keep state pass in quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any port 6880><6889 flags S/SAFR keep state anchor passin Somebody knows why doesn't work the rdr? From valentin.bud at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 07:32:25 2009 From: valentin.bud at gmail.com (Valentin Bud) Date: Wed Jun 3 07:32:32 2009 Subject: sshd in jail In-Reply-To: <20090603071925.22294.qmail@server14.citromail.hu> References: <20090603071925.22294.qmail@server14.citromail.hu> Message-ID: <139b44430906030032o7bb798e1rcbcf80fc9b26e46@mail.gmail.com> 2009/6/3 Saj? Zsolt Attila > Hi! > > I would like use the sshd in jail, but the port forwarding doesn't work in > the pf firewall. My jail ip: 10.0.0.40. If I use the ssh -l user 10.0.0.40 > command it's well, but when I use the "ssh -p 5859 -vv -l user > luk1814.no-ip.org" command I get this error: > OpenSSH_5.1p1 FreeBSD-20080901, OpenSSL 0.9.8e 23 Feb 2007 > debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config > debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 0 > debug1: Connecting to luk1814.no-ip.org [84.3.27.205] port 5859. > debug1: connect to address 84.3.27.205 port 5859: Connection refused > ssh: connect to host luk1814.no-ip.org port 5859: Connection refused > > > The "pfctr -sn" command output's: > nat on vr0 inet from 10.0.0.20 to any -> (vr0) round-robin > nat on vr0 inet from 10.0.0.40 to any -> (vr0) round-robin > rdr on vr0 inet proto tcp from any to any port = 5859 -> 10.0.0.40 port > 22 > > > My pf.conf: > Ext = "vr0" # output interface > Loop = "lo0" # Loopback interface > IntNet1="10.0.0.20" # Jail 1 > IntNet2="10.0.0.40" # Jail 2 this is running the sshd > NoRoute = "{ 127.0.0.1/8, 192.168.0.0/16, 172.16.0.0/12, 10.0.0.0/8, > 255.255.255.255/32 }" > InServicesTCP = "{ ssh, http, https }" > OutServicesTCP = "{ http, https, whois, domain, ssh, ftp, ftp-data, nntp, > 1863, 8880 }" > OutServicesUDP = "{ ntp, domain }" > NowDeny = "{ 445, 67, 68 }" > X11 = "{ 6010, 5900}" > Timeserver = "{ 148.6.0.1 }" > CVSupServers = "{ 212.19.57.134 }" > CVSupPorts = "{ 5999 }" > DynDNSServer = "{ 63.208.196.94 }" > DynDNSPorts = "{ 8245 }" > scrub in on $Ext all > altq on $Ext priq bandwidth 100Kb queue { q_pri, q_def } > queue q_pri priority 7 > queue q_def priority 1 priq(default) > nat on $Ext from $IntNet1 to any -> ($Ext) > nat on $Ext from $IntNet2 to any -> ($Ext) > rdr on $Ext proto tcp from any to any port 5859 -> $IntNet2 port 22 > block in quick on $Ext proto { tcp, udp} from any to any port $NowDeny > block out log on $Ext all > block in log on $Ext all > block return-rst out log on $Ext proto tcp all > block return-rst in log on $Ext proto tcp all > block return-icmp out log on $Ext proto udp all > block return-icmp in log on $Ext proto udp all > block in log quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any flags FUP/FUP > block in log quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any flags SF/SFRA > block in log quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any flags /SFRA > block in log quick on $Ext from $NoRoute to any > block out log quick on $Ext from any to $NoRoute > block in quick on $Ext from any to 255.255.255.255 > pass in quick on $Ext proto tcp from any to $IntNet2 port 8022 keep state > > pass in quick on $Loop all > pass out quick on $Loop all This two could be changed to 'set skip on lo0' in the pf OPTIONS section. > > pass out quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any port > 1024 flags > S/SA keep state > pass out quick on $Ext inet proto icmp all icmp-type 8 code 0 keep state > pass in log quick on $Ext inet proto icmp all icmp-type 8 code 0 keep state > pass in quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any port $InServicesTCP > flags S/SA keep state > pass out quick on $Ext inet proto udp from any to any port $OutServicesUDP > keep state > pass out quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any port $OutServicesTCP > flags S/SA modulate state > pass out quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to $CVSupServers port > $CVSupPorts flags S/SA modulate state > pass out quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to $Timeserver port time > flags S/SA modulate state > pass out quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any port { > 6880><6889, 6969 } flags S/SAFR keep state > pass in quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any port 6880><6889 > flags S/SAFR keep state > anchor passin > > > Somebody knows why doesn't work the rdr? > You don't have a pass rule for the 5859 port. You can, however, accomplish what you want in a couple of ways. 1. use the pass keyword in rdr rdr *pass* on vr0 inet proto tcp from any to any port = 5859 -> 10.0.0.40 port 22 2. a separate pass in rule pass in quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any port 5859 flags S/SA keep state. 3. simply add 5859 port to $InServicesTCP macro. a great day, v > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- network warrior since 2005 From utisoft at googlemail.com Wed Jun 3 07:45:00 2009 From: utisoft at googlemail.com (Chris Rees) Date: Wed Jun 3 07:45:07 2009 Subject: what about BadAtom Error? In-Reply-To: <2c66535d0906022239m70be842eudd4780b75d74502a@mail.gmail.com> References: <2c66535d0906010728r1c793f42l43109285a0d668f8@mail.gmail.com> <2c66535d0906022239m70be842eudd4780b75d74502a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2009/6/3 PstreeM China : > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Chris Rees wrote: >> >> 2009/6/1 PstreeM China : >> > hi all: >> > >> > ? ? yesterday , after i upgrade my Ports, use the command #portupgrade >> > -arR ?... >> > ? ? then , my program rox is error .. >> > ? ? Today From Google , i haven't find any useful information .. >> > >> > ? ? how can i Fix it ??? ?thanks All !! >> > >> > use the command $rox -p Default , Report the Error:: >> > ############### >> > (ROX-Filer:78077): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_x11_atom_to_xatom_for_display: >> > assertion `atom != GDK_NONE' failed >> > The program 'ROX-Filer' received an X Window System error. >> > This probably reflects a bug in the program. >> > The error was 'BadAtom (invalid Atom parameter)'. >> > ?(Details: serial 246 error_code 5 request_code 20 minor_code 0) >> > ?(Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously; >> > ? that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it. >> > ? To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line >> > ? option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful >> > ? backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() >> > function.) >> > ##################### >> >> Try portupgrade -fr rox >> >> Sometimes just recompiling and relinking can help; stops dependencies >> on stale libraries. >> >> Chris >> >> > > after reinstall the rox-filer , there is not help me to fix it .. > > thanks all the time.. > > Do you mean it hasn't worked, and hasn't fixed it? Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From utisoft at googlemail.com Wed Jun 3 08:08:20 2009 From: utisoft at googlemail.com (Chris Rees) Date: Wed Jun 3 08:08:27 2009 Subject: Test In-Reply-To: <4A25DE58.5030208@hdk5.net> References: <4A25DE58.5030208@hdk5.net> Message-ID: 2009/6/3 Al Plant : > Test > -- > Now try using freebsd-test@ ;) Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From utisoft at googlemail.com Wed Jun 3 08:09:58 2009 From: utisoft at googlemail.com (Chris Rees) Date: Wed Jun 3 08:10:05 2009 Subject: acpi HD spin down and CPU sleep In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2009/6/3 Tim Judd : > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:17 PM, mojo fms wrote: > >> How would I configure freebsd 7.1 (7.2 upgrade in the future) to sleep the >> HD's and maybe sleep the CPU after an idle time out? ?I am trying to save >> power and I would like it to wake on network requests and HD needs. ?I read >> the handbook and looked at the acpiconf man page and such but I have not >> seen anything about doing this really. >> >> Thanks >> > > ataidle in ports for the HDD > > powerd in base for the CPU (if the CPU supports it) Or, for hard drives, I have in my rc.local /sbin/atacontrol spindown ad1 3600 from base system. Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From sajozsattila at citromail.hu Wed Jun 3 08:13:07 2009 From: sajozsattila at citromail.hu (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Saj=F3_Zsolt_Attila?=) Date: Wed Jun 3 08:13:15 2009 Subject: sshd in jail In-Reply-To: <139b44430906030032o7bb798e1rcbcf80fc9b26e46@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090603081304.28276.qmail@server14.citromail.hu> Thank you the help, but it doesn't work yet. I prefer the "rdr pass on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any port 5859 -> 10.0.0.40 port 22", but I tried all ways, but absolutely nothing's changed. -- Eredeti ?zenet -- Felad?: Valentin Bud <valentin.bud@gmail.com> C?mzett: Saj? Zsolt Attila<sajozsattila@citromail.hu> Elk?ldve: 09:33 T?ma: Re: sshd in jail 2009/6/3 Saj? Zsolt Attila luk1814.no-ip.org" command I get this error: > OpenSSH_5.1p1 FreeBSD-20080901, OpenSSL 0.9.8e 23 Feb 2007 > debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config > debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 0 > debug1: Connecting to luk1814.no-ip.org [84.3.27.205] port 5859. > debug1: connect to address 84.3.27.205 port 5859: Connection refused > ssh: connect to host luk1814.no-ip.org port 5859: Connection refused > > > The "pfctr -sn" command output's: > nat on vr0 inet from 10.0.0.20 to any -> (vr0) round-robin > nat on vr0 inet from 10.0.0.40 to any -> (vr0) round-robin > rdr on vr0 inet proto tcp from any to any port = 5859 -> 10.0.0.40 port > 22 > > > My pf.conf: > Ext = "vr0" # output interface > Loop = "lo0" # Loopback interface > IntNet1="10.0.0.20" # Jail 1 > IntNet2="10.0.0.40" # Jail 2 this is running the sshd > NoRoute = "{ 127.0.0.1/8, 192.168.0.0/16, 172.16.0.0/12, 10.0.0.0/8, > 255.255.255.255/32 }" > InServicesTCP = "{ ssh, http, https }" > OutServicesTCP = "{ http, https, whois, domain, ssh, ftp, ftp-data, nntp, > 1863, 8880 }" > OutServicesUDP = "{ ntp, domain }" > NowDeny = "{ 445, 67, 68 }" > X11 = "{ 6010, 5900}" > Timeserver = "{ 148.6.0.1 }" > CVSupServers = "{ 212.19.57.134 }" > CVSupPorts = "{ 5999 }" > DynDNSServer = "{ 63.208.196.94 }" > DynDNSPorts = "{ 8245 }" > scrub in on $Ext all > altq on $Ext priq bandwidth 100Kb queue { q_pri, q_def } > queue q_pri priority 7 > queue q_def priority 1 priq(default) > nat on $Ext from $IntNet1 to any -> ($Ext) > nat on $Ext from $IntNet2 to any -> ($Ext) > rdr on $Ext proto tcp from any to any port 5859 -> $IntNet2 port 22 > block in quick on $Ext proto { tcp, udp} from any to any port $NowDeny > block out log on $Ext all > block in log on $Ext all > block return-rst out log on $Ext proto tcp all > block return-rst in log on $Ext proto tcp all > block return-icmp out log on $Ext proto udp all > block return-icmp in log on $Ext proto udp all > block in log quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any flags FUP/FUP > block in log quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any flags SF/SFRA > block in log quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any flags /SFRA > block in log quick on $Ext from $NoRoute to any > block out log quick on $Ext from any to $NoRoute > block in quick on $Ext from any to 255.255.255.255 > pass in quick on $Ext proto tcp from any to $IntNet2 port 8022 keep state > > pass in quick on $Loop all > pass out quick on $Loop all This two could be changed to 'set skip on lo0' in the pf OPTIONS section. > > pass out quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any port > 1024 flags > S/SA keep state > pass out quick on $Ext inet proto icmp all icmp-type 8 code 0 keep state > pass in log quick on $Ext inet proto icmp all icmp-type 8 code 0 keep state > pass in quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any port $InServicesTCP > flags S/SA keep state > pass out quick on $Ext inet proto udp from any to any port $OutServicesUDP > keep state > pass out quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any port $OutServicesTCP > flags S/SA modulate state > pass out quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to $CVSupServers port > $CVSupPorts flags S/SA modulate state > pass out quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to $Timeserver port time > flags S/SA modulate state > pass out quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any port { > 6880> pass in quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any port 6880> flags S/SAFR keep state > anchor passin > > > Somebody knows why doesn't work the rdr? > You don't have a pass rule for the 5859 port. You can, however, accomplish what you want in a couple of ways. 1. use the pass keyword in rdr rdr *pass* on vr0 inet proto tcp from any to any port = 5859 -> 10.0.0 .40 port 22 2. a separate pass in rule pass in quick on $Ext inet proto tcp from any to any port 5859 flags S/SA keep state. 3. simply add 5859 port to $InServicesTCP macro. a great day, v > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- network warrior since 2005 _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From mail25 at bzerk.org Wed Jun 3 08:35:26 2009 From: mail25 at bzerk.org (Ruben de Groot) Date: Wed Jun 3 08:35:43 2009 Subject: Sponsoring FreeBSD In-Reply-To: References: <6C96EEF057EDE24197FECB0D1EA035044A8F6EB461@h1341255.aoemedia.de> <20090601144341.GA5818@phenom.cordula.ws> Message-ID: <20090603083521.GA66546@ei.bzerk.org> On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 05:48:29PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar typed: > >every donation is highly welcome. Please have a look at > > http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml > > > >As you can see, every donor is mentioned, no matter how > >small the amount. They'll display a link for donations > >of $5,000 or more, and a logo for donations of $10,000 > >or more. > > > finally clear rules! Exactly what i said in the beginning - add two zeroes > to 50-100$ to get good advert. Do you suffer from memory loss? This is exactly what Boris Samorodov said on may 27, and you responded to his message, so you didn't miss it. The "rules" were clear from then on. And again, they don't offer 50-100$ one time, they offer it PER MONTH. I agree with a lot of your statements on this list, but here I think your still trying to cover up for a too fast response. let it go. even better: say you're sorry. Ruben From dan.naumov at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 08:59:06 2009 From: dan.naumov at gmail.com (Dan Naumov) Date: Wed Jun 3 08:59:14 2009 Subject: pkg_deinstall: "delete all packages installed, except for X, Y and Z" Message-ID: Hello list. I am trying to clean up a system with a LOT of cruft. Is there some argument I could pass to pkg_deinstall that would result in "delete all packages installed, except for X, Y and Z" (and obviously their dependancies)? Thanks! - Dan Naumov From mel.flynn+fbsd.questions at mailing.thruhere.net Wed Jun 3 09:04:35 2009 From: mel.flynn+fbsd.questions at mailing.thruhere.net (Mel Flynn) Date: Wed Jun 3 09:04:43 2009 Subject: [FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE] Audio going silent after wakeup. In-Reply-To: <4A22E35D.4080606@gmail.com> References: <4A220EC4.7010202@gmail.com> <3a142e750905310223keef56e7y7db0ebcb8bbae066@mail.gmail.com> <4A22E35D.4080606@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200906031104.31562.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> On Sunday 31 May 2009 22:06:53 LoH wrote: > Unloading the module, letting it suspend on its own, then waking it up > and reloading the module does not cause the symptoms to appear. > > Wish I knew offhand what was being called to let it suspend, and which > state it was. See man acpiconf. Basically you can hack /etc/rc.suspend and /etc/rc.resume to unload and reload the sound modules. -- Mel From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Wed Jun 3 09:10:05 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Wed Jun 3 09:10:20 2009 Subject: pkg_deinstall: "delete all packages installed, except for X, Y and Z" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Hello list. > > I am trying to clean up a system with a LOT of cruft. Is there some > argument I could pass to pkg_deinstall that would result in "delete > all packages installed, except for X, Y and Z" (and obviously their > dependancies)? just do pkg_info |cut -f 1 -d " " >/tmp/pkglist edit pkglist and delete lines X, Y and Z do pkg_delete `cat /tmp/pkglist` rm /tmp/pkglist ignore errors about package can't be deleted because X, Y or Z requires it. it's exactly what you want. From cpghost at cordula.ws Wed Jun 3 09:18:05 2009 From: cpghost at cordula.ws (cpghost) Date: Wed Jun 3 09:18:13 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> Message-ID: <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws> On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 08:49:50AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> > >> I mean things like sending private data to someone else, scanning for > >> other programs i have on disk, my addressbook etc. > > > > Given enough incentive, it unfortunately seems even open source > > developers will resort to sneaky tactics: > > http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/05/mozilla-ponders-policy-change-after-firefox-extension-battle.ars > > but it's at least much more difficult. And - my other rule fits very well > here. Avoid OVERCOMPLEX programs. > > Unfortunately there are no well done WWW browsers for unix in the world. > links -g is an exceptions, but in the same time it's quite limited. > But have best fonts :) You're right: browser code is overly complex, and a nightmare to audit properly for security purposes. That's why when working in a sensitive environment, I browse the web primarily with elinks (with JavaScript disabled, of course), and secondarily and only when absolutely necessary with the usual firefox+noscript+abp... both browsers running in a virtual box (qemu, virtualbox) dedicated to this purpose and this purpose only. Of course, I'm taking more precautions, as running in a box may still not be 100% secure, if someone creative enough found a way to break out of the guest OS into the host OS; but everything else is just irresponsible and way too risky, from a security point of view. Surely, not everyone has the same security requirements, and YMMV. ;-) -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Wed Jun 3 09:24:21 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Wed Jun 3 09:24:28 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws> Message-ID: >> Unfortunately there are no well done WWW browsers for unix in the world. >> links -g is an exceptions, but in the same time it's quite limited. >> But have best fonts :) > > You're right: browser code is overly complex, and a nightmare to audit > properly for security purposes. links is not complex, and REALLY well done, unfortunately now nobody (or close to) works on it. If they would just implement CSS - it's enough! > That's why when working in a sensitive environment, I browse the web > primarily with elinks (with JavaScript disabled, of course), and right. but javascript in links is rather safe. Anyway - you may simply NOT LIKE someone else unknown programs to be run on your computer except when you want to. > secondarily and only when absolutely necessary with the usual > firefox+noscript+abp... both browsers running in a virtual box (qemu, > virtualbox) dedicated to this purpose and this purpose only. Exaggeration IMHO. just make sure your normal user has 700 permissions, create another and run browser from it. > Of course, I'm taking more precautions, as running in a box may still > not be 100% secure, if someone creative enough found a way to break > out of the guest OS into the host OS; but everything else is just Nobody would write specially prepared webpage exactly for You to break ;) It's a matter of protecting yourself from "big brothers" that watch others. From dan.naumov at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 09:26:23 2009 From: dan.naumov at gmail.com (Dan Naumov) Date: Wed Jun 3 09:26:33 2009 Subject: pkg_deinstall: "delete all packages installed, except for X, Y and Z" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks a lot, this worked like a charm! - Dan Naumov On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> Hello list. >> >> I am trying to clean up a system with a LOT of cruft. Is there some >> argument I could pass to pkg_deinstall that would result in "delete >> all packages installed, except for X, Y and Z" (and obviously their >> dependancies)? > > just do > > pkg_info |cut -f 1 -d " " >/tmp/pkglist > edit pkglist and delete lines X, Y and Z > > do > > pkg_delete `cat /tmp/pkglist` > rm /tmp/pkglist > > ignore errors about package can't be deleted because X, Y or Z requires it. > it's exactly what you want. > From onemda at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 09:28:53 2009 From: onemda at gmail.com (Paul B. Mahol) Date: Wed Jun 3 09:29:06 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws> Message-ID: <3a142e750906030228i6b0409d4s7772b3c1bec7172f@mail.gmail.com> On 6/3/09, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> Unfortunately there are no well done WWW browsers for unix in the world. >>> links -g is an exceptions, but in the same time it's quite limited. >>> But have best fonts :) >> >> You're right: browser code is overly complex, and a nightmare to audit >> properly for security purposes. > > links is not complex, and REALLY well done, unfortunately now nobody (or > close to) works on it. If they would just implement CSS - it's enough! elinks have simplistic CSS support. >> That's why when working in a sensitive environment, I browse the web >> primarily with elinks (with JavaScript disabled, of course), and > > right. but javascript in links is rather safe. > > Anyway - you may simply NOT LIKE someone else unknown programs to be run > on your computer except when you want to. > >> secondarily and only when absolutely necessary with the usual >> firefox+noscript+abp... both browsers running in a virtual box (qemu, >> virtualbox) dedicated to this purpose and this purpose only. > > Exaggeration IMHO. just make sure your normal user has 700 permissions, > create another and run browser from it. > >> Of course, I'm taking more precautions, as running in a box may still >> not be 100% secure, if someone creative enough found a way to break >> out of the guest OS into the host OS; but everything else is just > > Nobody would write specially prepared webpage exactly for You to break ;) > > It's a matter of protecting yourself from "big brothers" that watch > others. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Paul From mel.flynn+fbsd.questions at mailing.thruhere.net Wed Jun 3 09:36:13 2009 From: mel.flynn+fbsd.questions at mailing.thruhere.net (Mel Flynn) Date: Wed Jun 3 09:36:21 2009 Subject: Set task priority In-Reply-To: <4A25B029.1030608@ibctech.ca> References: <4A25B029.1030608@ibctech.ca> Message-ID: <200906031136.10054.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> On Wednesday 03 June 2009 01:05:13 Steve Bertrand wrote: > What is the best way to set priority on my task in order to ensure it > completes as quickly as possible, but does not cause a situation where > other programs and their children can't respond? You may want to consider the fact that priority has nothing to do with the outage symptom. If your other services use MySQL, they will time out because mysqldump will exclusively lock the tables your services are trying to query and/or update. The best way to do this if you need the feature more then once is to setup a slave replicator that isn't queried by the services at all and then you do your dumps on that machine. Replication will catch up after the dump. If you have enough hard disk space, can even do this on your laptop. -- Mel From mel.flynn+fbsd.questions at mailing.thruhere.net Wed Jun 3 09:45:52 2009 From: mel.flynn+fbsd.questions at mailing.thruhere.net (Mel Flynn) Date: Wed Jun 3 09:45:59 2009 Subject: named: error sending response: not enough free resources In-Reply-To: References: <4A25A415.5010502@smartt.com> Message-ID: <200906031145.49209.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> On Wednesday 03 June 2009 00:46:20 Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > named[69750]: client *ip removed*: error sending response: not > > enough free resources > > quite misleading message, but the problem is that named want to send UDP > packet and get's error from kernel. > > > possible reasons > - your firewall rules are the cause - check it. > - your network card produce problems (REALLY i have that case) > - the network/LAN named tries to sent UDP packet is somehow flooded. - the network card changes from UP to DOWN state at the time of the error See that a lot running local resolver on a wireless-g card and turning on the microwave. -- Mel From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Wed Jun 3 09:48:58 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Wed Jun 3 09:49:05 2009 Subject: named: error sending response: not enough free resources In-Reply-To: <200906031145.49209.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> References: <4A25A415.5010502@smartt.com> <200906031145.49209.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Message-ID: >> >> possible reasons >> - your firewall rules are the cause - check it. >> - your network card produce problems (REALLY i have that case) >> - the network/LAN named tries to sent UDP packet is somehow flooded. > - the network card changes from UP to DOWN state at the time of the error > > See that a lot running local resolver on a wireless-g card and turning on the > microwave. this is extreme case. but card don't need to turn UP and DOWN for long enough for system to get a message. my second case >> - your network card produce problems (REALLY i have that case) is an example. i had such card that just reported error every some amount of packets. From mel.flynn+fbsd.questions at mailing.thruhere.net Wed Jun 3 10:13:53 2009 From: mel.flynn+fbsd.questions at mailing.thruhere.net (Mel Flynn) Date: Wed Jun 3 10:14:01 2009 Subject: named: error sending response: not enough free resources In-Reply-To: References: <4A25A415.5010502@smartt.com> <200906031145.49209.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Message-ID: <200906031213.39911.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> On Wednesday 03 June 2009 11:48:48 Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> possible reasons > >> - your firewall rules are the cause - check it. > >> - your network card produce problems (REALLY i have that case) > >> - the network/LAN named tries to sent UDP packet is somehow flooded. > > > > - the network card changes from UP to DOWN state at the time of the > > error > > > > See that a lot running local resolver on a wireless-g card and turning on > > the microwave. > > this is extreme case. Not really. The point is that at the time the network card goes from up to down, named spits out this error. If you log named to a different log file then /var/log/messages, you will not see the relation. The reason for changing UP to DOWN can be from a device operating at the 2.4Ghz band when using wireless-g to someone bumping his elbow into the colo's network cable, driver problems to switch failures, etc etc. -- Mel From cpghost at cordula.ws Wed Jun 3 10:27:24 2009 From: cpghost at cordula.ws (cpghost) Date: Wed Jun 3 10:27:31 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws> Message-ID: <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 11:24:02AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > secondarily and only when absolutely necessary with the usual > > firefox+noscript+abp... both browsers running in a virtual box (qemu, > > virtualbox) dedicated to this purpose and this purpose only. > > Exaggeration IMHO. just make sure your normal user has 700 permissions, > create another and run browser from it. What about permissions in X? Even if you started the browser as another user, you'd still have to xhost + that user. And from there, it's easy to hijack the X session (including keylogging etc.). So you'll start another Xorg process as the other user, but are you sure both processes are totally isolated and can't communicate via unix-domain sockets etc? Checked all perms of all devices, all FIFOs etc? The point is: if you start *any* untrusted program on your host OS, there's a remote possibility that you've overlooked something (your example with 0700 permissions for home dirs is a good example, but there's a lot more), and that the process starts seeing stuff it isn't meant to see. And even chroot(2) isn't perfect. Remember: http://unixwiz.net/techtips/chroot-practices.html http://wiki.netbsd.se/How_to_break_out_of_a_chroot_environment That's just the tip of the iceberg. You never know what's still lurking out there on the host OS, and when you need strong security, a virtualized environment for untrusted processes as a minimum is a *must-have*. And even then, that is risky, if the emulator or paravirtualizer contains bugs and flaws. You can get a little bit more confidence with virtualizers if emulated CPU arch != host CPU arch (e.g. when emulating PPC, 68000 or even more exotic processors on x86), but that's dog slow for modern day browsing even on fast machines. So it's not always practical to do so (though when security is paramount, browsing slowing may well be the price to pay). And obviously, the emulator sill needs to resist especially crafted bytecode that may crash it in a very specific way (read: an exploit of an emulator's bug)! > > Of course, I'm taking more precautions, as running in a box may still > > not be 100% secure, if someone creative enough found a way to break > > out of the guest OS into the host OS; but everything else is just > > Nobody would write specially prepared webpage exactly for You to break ;) That's right, and that's why non-Windows users are less exposed to the usual risks. But still, one has to be careful. > It's a matter of protecting yourself from "big brothers" that watch > others. Or from "little brothers" that explicitly target your infrastructure (think: industrial espionage etc.). Those attackers are much more worrying that your usual suspects, script kiddies et al., as contrary to the broad attackes of the latter, the former usually have more resources, including time, to conduct targeted penetration attempts into your secure environment. You see, security is more than just protecting the normal desktop user from vanilla attacks. ;-) -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From on at cs.ait.ac.th Wed Jun 3 10:38:26 2009 From: on at cs.ait.ac.th (Olivier Nicole) Date: Wed Jun 3 10:38:33 2009 Subject: How to reset a connection stuck in CLOSE_WAIT state Message-ID: <200906031038.n53AcO36073173@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> Hi, I am runnig FlexNet license manager on FreeBSD (6.4), this is alinux application, but it is running smoothly. The problem occurs sometime at stop time, it will not stop cleanly and leave a connection in CLOSE_WAIT state. As a result, the ports are not freed and the license managerserver cannot restart. Is there a simple way to force reset the hanging connection? Best regards, Olivier From wtf.jlaine at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 10:41:38 2009 From: wtf.jlaine at gmail.com (Jeff Laine) Date: Wed Jun 3 10:41:45 2009 Subject: cyrus-imapd spawning multiple processes In-Reply-To: <4A258935.7090708@locolomo.org> References: <20090602194756.GB43583@free.bsd.loc> <4A258935.7090708@locolomo.org> Message-ID: <20090603104131.GA40064@free.bsd.loc> On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 10:19:01PM +0200, Erik Norgaard wrote: > Jeff Laine wrote: > >The troublemaker is the cyrus. It starts and opens it's sockets, but > >whenever > >I try to establish a connection to pop3 or imap ports (i.e. via telnet or > >cyradm) cyrus goes nuts and spawns child processes in endless manner, > >trashing logs with this: > > > >>tail /var/log/debug.log > > > >Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[49269]: about to exec > >/usr/local/cyrus/bin/pop3d > >Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[43639]: process 49269 exited, status 1 > >Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[49270]: about to exec > >/usr/local/cyrus/bin/pop3d > >Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[43639]: process 49270 exited, status 1 > >Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[49271]: about to exec > >/usr/local/cyrus/bin/pop3d > >Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[43639]: process 49271 exited, status 1 > >Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[49272]: about to exec > >/usr/local/cyrus/bin/pop3d > >Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[43639]: process 49272 exited, status 1 > >Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[49281]: about to exec > >/usr/local/cyrus/bin/pop3d > >Jun 2 23:27:35 free master[43639]: process 49281 exited, status 1 > >... > > > >...until I stop the master process. > > It seems that when you try to connect with pop3 a child process is > spawned as it should, but it dies unexpectedly so a new is spawned. > Could it be something as simple as permissions to access the mailbox files? > > Rather than relying on log files, try to launch the master manually with > the -D flag, it may give you a more verbose output. > > >I tried both cyrus-imapd23 and 22 with default configurations but it > >gives the same problem every time. > > > >I have similar configuration on 6.4-RELEASE without such troubles. > > Similar but not the same? Sounds like you should review again your > config files, also, the versions of cyrus-imapd on your working > installation, is that the same as the new one? Consider posting your > configs in next post. > > > BR, Erik Thanks for your reply, Eric. Running master in debugging mode helped to find out that I had 640 permissions on libdb* files. Doh. Thanks! -- Best regards, Jeff From cpghost at cordula.ws Wed Jun 3 10:41:56 2009 From: cpghost at cordula.ws (cpghost) Date: Wed Jun 3 10:42:03 2009 Subject: How to reset a connection stuck in CLOSE_WAIT state In-Reply-To: <200906031038.n53AcO36073173@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> References: <200906031038.n53AcO36073173@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> Message-ID: <20090603104151.GD1349@phenom.cordula.ws> On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 05:38:24PM +0700, Olivier Nicole wrote: > Hi, > > I am runnig FlexNet license manager on FreeBSD (6.4), this is alinux > application, but it is running smoothly. > > The problem occurs sometime at stop time, it will not stop cleanly and > leave a connection in CLOSE_WAIT state. As a result, the ports are not > freed and the license managerserver cannot restart. > > Is there a simple way to force reset the hanging connection? /usr/sbin/tcpdrop maybe? Not sure it would reset/kill the connection immediately though. You'll have to try it. > Best regards, > > Olivier -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From wtf.jlaine at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 10:43:44 2009 From: wtf.jlaine at gmail.com (Jeff Laine) Date: Wed Jun 3 10:44:06 2009 Subject: How to reset a connection stuck in CLOSE_WAIT state In-Reply-To: <200906031038.n53AcO36073173@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> References: <200906031038.n53AcO36073173@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> Message-ID: <20090603104337.GB40064@free.bsd.loc> On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 05:38:24PM +0700, Olivier Nicole wrote: > Hi, > > I am runnig FlexNet license manager on FreeBSD (6.4), this is alinux > application, but it is running smoothly. > > The problem occurs sometime at stop time, it will not stop cleanly and > leave a connection in CLOSE_WAIT state. As a result, the ports are not > freed and the license managerserver cannot restart. > > Is there a simple way to force reset the hanging connection? > > Best regards, > > Olivier I think tcpdrop(8) can handle that. -- Best regards, Jeff | "Nobody wants to say how this works. | | Maybe nobody knows ..." | | Xorg.conf(5) | From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Wed Jun 3 11:10:40 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Wed Jun 3 11:10:47 2009 Subject: named: error sending response: not enough free resources In-Reply-To: <200906031213.39911.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> References: <4A25A415.5010502@smartt.com> <200906031145.49209.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <200906031213.39911.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Message-ID: > Not really. The point is that at the time the network card goes from up to > down, named spits out this error. If you log named to a different log file > then /var/log/messages, you will not see the relation. The reason for changing this is one reason i always change syslog.conf to configure everything to /var/log/messages. As you said - i see all events in time order. Fortunately i don't use radio networking unless i have no other choice. From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Wed Jun 3 11:15:50 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Wed Jun 3 11:15:58 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> Message-ID: >>> virtualbox) dedicated to this purpose and this purpose only. >> >> Exaggeration IMHO. just make sure your normal user has 700 permissions, >> create another and run browser from it. > > What about permissions in X? Even if you started the browser as > another user, you'd still have to xhost + that user. And from i just copy .Xauthority file. > there, it's easy to hijack the X session (including keylogging etc.). You mean Xorg can easily be hijack'ed that way? > So you'll start another Xorg process as the other user, but are you Nothing forbids you to start 2 X servers and do console switching. > That's just the tip of the iceberg. You never know what's still > lurking out there on the host OS, and when you need strong security, a > virtualized environment for untrusted processes as a minimum is a > *must-have*. And even then, that is risky, if the emulator or > paravirtualizer contains bugs and flaws. Even more important is to not use "standard" methods, as potential attcker can only quess what you do. > modern day browsing even on fast machines. So it's not always > practical to do so (though when security is paramount, browsing > slowing may well be the price to pay). Separate computer is 1000 times simpler solution to your needs. > That's right, and that's why non-Windows users are less exposed to > the usual risks. But still, one has to be careful. agree. > >> It's a matter of protecting yourself from "big brothers" that watch >> others. > > Or from "little brothers" that explicitly target your infrastructure > (think: industrial espionage etc.). Those attackers are much more > worrying that your usual suspects, script kiddies et al., as contrary > to the broad attackes of the latter, the former usually have more > resources, including time, to conduct targeted penetration attempts > into your secure environment. But they will not attack your company for sure. There are MUCH simpler methods. Just pay few bucks to charwoman to look at papers glued to monitor with passwords on them ;), or maybe a minute more to look at different places. Are you sure the employees in your company doesn't do that? :) From ghirai at ghirai.com Wed Jun 3 12:08:04 2009 From: ghirai at ghirai.com (Ghirai) Date: Wed Jun 3 12:08:11 2009 Subject: phidgets for FreeBSD? Message-ID: <20090603120803.9298D8FC1B@mx1.freebsd.org> Is there any (native) FreeBSD supoprt for Phidgets (http://www.phidgets.com? Someone seems to have attempted (and succeeded) to run things on 7.0, some time ago, but there doesn't seem to be any further info (http://www.phidgets.com/phorum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=507). Any ideas? Thanks. -- Ghirai. From cpghost at cordula.ws Wed Jun 3 13:33:47 2009 From: cpghost at cordula.ws (cpghost) Date: Wed Jun 3 13:33:59 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> Message-ID: <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 01:15:32PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > there, it's easy to hijack the X session (including keylogging etc.). > > You mean Xorg can easily be hijack'ed that way? If you can connect to the X server, you can also attach any kind of monitoring software to it. Think vncserver and the like... > > So you'll start another Xorg process as the other user, but are you > > Nothing forbids you to start 2 X servers and do console switching. That's what I do, and it's easy enough. > >> It's a matter of protecting yourself from "big brothers" that watch > >> others. > > > > Or from "little brothers" that explicitly target your infrastructure > > (think: industrial espionage etc.). Those attackers are much more > > worrying that your usual suspects, script kiddies et al., as contrary > > to the broad attackes of the latter, the former usually have more > > resources, including time, to conduct targeted penetration attempts > > into your secure environment. > > But they will not attack your company for sure. It always depends on the company... > There are MUCH simpler methods. Just pay few bucks to charwoman to look at > papers glued to monitor with passwords on them ;), or maybe a minute more > to look at different places. Oh yes indeed: THAT's always bee the more serious threat, security-wise. And don't forget about TEMPEST-like kinds of attack: you can't imagine just how much information you give away on the electromagnetic spectrum, even if you don't use WLANs... information that can be picked up a few hundred meters away or even more outside of your security perimeter and reconstructed. Talking about (justified?) paranoia: some 10 years ago, we had some routing equipment in a server room that was NOT in the basement (i.e. it had a window to the outside). Guess what? We had to put black electrician's tape on the switches' LEDs, because it turned out that those LEDs were blinking at the exact rate of the transmitted data, bit-for-bit, and that anyone with a telescope and an optical sensor could have picked that pattern up, and reconstructed the data stream. Scary, uh? > Are you sure the employees in your company doesn't do that? :) I can't, but that's the job of our security dept. They're conducting the background checks. If they still missed a human "troyan," well, that's life. ;-) -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From glen.j.barber at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 13:53:10 2009 From: glen.j.barber at gmail.com (Glen Barber) Date: Wed Jun 3 13:53:17 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> Message-ID: <4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:33 AM, cpghost wrote: >> There are MUCH simpler methods. Just pay few bucks to charwoman to look at >> papers glued to monitor with passwords on them ;), or maybe a minute more >> to look at different places. > > Oh yes indeed: THAT's always bee the more serious threat, > security-wise. > A colleague of mine is a Windows administrator for a local company. I didn't think people actually did this until he told me a little "prank" he pulls on those who do: When he finds a Post-It on their monitor with a password (or something resembling a password), he will write a different "word" on the Post-It and replace it with what was there (the real password) to teach them a lesson... > And don't forget about TEMPEST-like kinds of attack: you can't > imagine just how much information you give away on the electromagnetic > spectrum, even if you don't use WLANs... information that can be picked > up a few hundred meters away or even more outside of your security > perimeter and reconstructed. > > Talking about (justified?) paranoia: some 10 years ago, we had some > routing equipment in a server room that was NOT in the basement (i.e. > it had a window to the outside). Guess what? We had to put black > electrician's tape on the switches' LEDs, because it turned out that > those LEDs were blinking at the exact rate of the transmitted data, > bit-for-bit, and that anyone with a telescope and an optical sensor > could have picked that pattern up, and reconstructed the data stream. > > Scary, uh? My colleagues never understood (nor do they to this day) my paranoia regarding security and untrusted code. I always point them in the same direction: http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html -- Glen Barber http://www.dev-urandom.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/glenjbarber From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Wed Jun 3 14:45:55 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Wed Jun 3 14:46:02 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> Message-ID: >> You mean Xorg can easily be hijack'ed that way? > > If you can connect to the X server, you can also attach any > kind of monitoring software to it. Think vncserver and the like... vncserver creater new X server. Can't monitor yours unless you have special module for X server installed and loaded (it is in ports) >> Nothing forbids you to start 2 X servers and do console switching. > > That's what I do, and it's easy enough. and works. >> papers glued to monitor with passwords on them ;), or maybe a minute more >> to look at different places. > > Oh yes indeed: THAT's always bee the more serious threat, > security-wise. so it's the first thing you should care about. Humans are ALWAYS weakest point of any security system. How many employees of your company ACTUALLY understand what are passwords for. Really? Yes, probably most of them don't, just know that it's something you have to type in ;) > And don't forget about TEMPEST-like kinds of attack: you can't > imagine just how much information you give away on the electromagnetic > spectrum, even if you don't use WLANs... information that can be picked forget about it. it's too difficult compared to abuse of common human dumbness. Kevin Mitnick book is really worth of reading. i read polish translation. He NEVER cracked any system by using exploits. He just politely asked for a password. From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Wed Jun 3 14:47:37 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Wed Jun 3 14:47:44 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: <4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com> References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >> Oh yes indeed: THAT's always bee the more serious threat, >> security-wise. >> > > A colleague of mine is a Windows administrator for a local company. I > didn't think people actually did this until he told me a little People do even more things. In my public internet access network i found that 90% of people actually don't understand what is password for. They treat it as a form of torture from administrator ;) Yes - 90% From cpghost at cordula.ws Wed Jun 3 15:29:42 2009 From: cpghost at cordula.ws (cpghost) Date: Wed Jun 3 15:29:49 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: <4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com> References: <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws> On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 09:53:07AM -0400, Glen Barber wrote: > My colleagues never understood (nor do they to this day) my paranoia > regarding security and untrusted code. I always point them in the > same direction: > > http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html YES! An absolute classic. We're using it to teach sysadmin trainees about trust and security very early on in their careers. Always an excellent reminder. Another perfect example that open source alone can't guarantee security: I remember a CPAN perl module that used to warn you that you shouldn't blindly install software as root without checking it first. It didn't do anything harmful (really just a 'warn'), but potentially, it could have wreaked havoc... at least until someone spotted and reported it. I don't recall exactly what module it was or if it is still in CPAN now, but that was also a good reminder to be careful and use common sense. > Glen Barber > http://www.dev-urandom.com > http://www.linkedin.com/in/glenjbarber -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From cpghost at cordula.ws Wed Jun 3 15:43:53 2009 From: cpghost at cordula.ws (cpghost) Date: Wed Jun 3 15:43:59 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: References: <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> Message-ID: <20090603154349.GG1988@phenom.cordula.ws> On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 04:45:42PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> You mean Xorg can easily be hijack'ed that way? > > > > If you can connect to the X server, you can also attach any > > kind of monitoring software to it. Think vncserver and the like... > > vncserver creater new X server. Can't monitor yours unless you have > special module for X server installed and loaded (it is in ports) Okay, okay, how about this? * http://www.keyfrog.org/ * http://www.randombit.net/code/logger.c * /usr/ports/security/xspy * /usr/ports/security/uberkey Now back to work... -cpghost -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From mel.flynn+fbsd.questions at mailing.thruhere.net Wed Jun 3 16:18:39 2009 From: mel.flynn+fbsd.questions at mailing.thruhere.net (Mel Flynn) Date: Wed Jun 3 16:18:46 2009 Subject: cyrus-imapd spawning multiple processes In-Reply-To: <20090603104131.GA40064@free.bsd.loc> References: <20090602194756.GB43583@free.bsd.loc> <4A258935.7090708@locolomo.org> <20090603104131.GA40064@free.bsd.loc> Message-ID: <200906031818.35160.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> On Wednesday 03 June 2009 12:41:31 Jeff Laine wrote: > Thanks for your reply, Eric. > Running master in debugging mode helped to find out that I had 640 > permissions on libdb* files. Doh. I'd file a bugreport upstream, this is not a "debug level message" but critical error condition, in fact with Denial of Service potential for the entire machine. -- Mel From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Wed Jun 3 16:21:51 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Wed Jun 3 16:21:58 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: <20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com> <20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws> Message-ID: > > Another perfect example that open source alone can't guarantee open source - just by being opensource - can't guarantee anything more that availability of sources. It's important to stay away of all that hype that opensource programs are just better. Many are, many not. From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Wed Jun 3 16:25:34 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Wed Jun 3 16:25:40 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: <20090603154349.GG1988@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603154349.GG1988@phenom.cordula.ws> Message-ID: > * http://www.randombit.net/code/logger.c compiled this, did ./logger 0xe0000d where 0xe0000d was my other xterm then typed at least 10 lines at that xterm window got: -rw------- 1 wojtek wheel 0 3 cze 18:23 logger-e0000d.log From mel.flynn+fbsd.questions at mailing.thruhere.net Wed Jun 3 16:33:22 2009 From: mel.flynn+fbsd.questions at mailing.thruhere.net (Mel Flynn) Date: Wed Jun 3 16:33:29 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200906031833.16554.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> On Tuesday 02 June 2009 17:12:28 madunix wrote: > 3- General experience with Open Source technology? Kinda getting fed up with the amount of trolling lately and loving Sieve. -- Mel From norgaard at locolomo.org Wed Jun 3 16:34:31 2009 From: norgaard at locolomo.org (Erik Norgaard) Date: Wed Jun 3 16:34:39 2009 Subject: cyrus-imapd spawning multiple processes In-Reply-To: <200906031818.35160.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> References: <20090602194756.GB43583@free.bsd.loc> <4A258935.7090708@locolomo.org> <20090603104131.GA40064@free.bsd.loc> <200906031818.35160.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Message-ID: <4A26A614.9090409@locolomo.org> Mel Flynn wrote: > On Wednesday 03 June 2009 12:41:31 Jeff Laine wrote: > >> Thanks for your reply, Eric. >> Running master in debugging mode helped to find out that I had 640 >> permissions on libdb* files. Doh. > > I'd file a bugreport upstream, this is not a "debug level message" but > critical error condition, in fact with Denial of Service potential for the > entire machine. Hold that, I reinstalled my server this week from source and encountered no such problems. Before filing any bug report, consider how permissions where changed: Did you accidentially change them manually? Do you have umask set to some non-standard value? Do/should ports override root's umask? Of course, some condition that causes a proces to exit unexpectedly ought to give a clearer log message, and it shouldn't keep retrying, for that you might consider sending a bug report to the developers. BR, Erik -- Erik N?rgaard Ph: +34.666334818/+34.915211157 http://www.locolomo.org From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Wed Jun 3 16:36:26 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Wed Jun 3 16:36:33 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: <20090603154349.GG1988@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603154349.GG1988@phenom.cordula.ws> Message-ID: > * /usr/ports/security/xspy but this do. so 2 X servers are compulsory... thanks From quakerdoomer at fmguy.com Wed Jun 3 16:48:26 2009 From: quakerdoomer at fmguy.com (Azim) Date: Wed Jun 3 16:48:33 2009 Subject: Mounting Encrypted ISO and mdconfig In-Reply-To: <20090603081315.GA65381@ei.bzerk.org> References: <1243794760.10762.1318068173@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20090603081315.GA65381@ei.bzerk.org> Message-ID: <1244047704.9452.1318609673@webmail.messagingengine.com> Because I need something like TrueCrypt on FreeBSD. Decrypting the whole ISO file first will make the situation insecure and definitely will kill the purpose. An accidental reboot alongwith loss of the system/disk while having the iso in a decrypted form can cause problems. I need decryption on the fly, without making an extra copy of the same file. On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:13 +0200, "Ruben de Groot" wrote: > > Why not decrypt it first? > > On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 09:32:40PM +0300, Azim typed: > > Does FreeBSD or any BSD/OS have "mount -o encryption" support ? > > I want to pipe aespipe and mount an encrypted iso. I have already > > checked on FreeBSD 7.1 amd64 that loop option isn't available, so I am > > sticking to mdconfig and vnconfig on old versions. > > > > If not then, > > Is it possible to pipe aespipe with mdconfig > > How do you on-the-fly-mount an Encrypted ISO under FreeBSD ? > > > > Regards, > > QD > > -- > > Azim > > quakerdoomer@fmguy.com > > //////////////////////////////////////////// > > “You can only get smarter by playing a smarter opponent." > > “The greatest enemy will hide in the last place you would ever look.” > > “The harder the battle, the sweeter the victory.” > > > > __________________ > > `---- """""""""""""""""""""""""""|] > > /_ ==o _____ ___________|" > > ),---.(_(___) / > > // (\) ),----" > > //....// > > '----- > > > > \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > > > > -- > > http://www.fastmail.fm - IMAP accessible web-mail > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Azim -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access your email from home and the web From freebsd at edvax.de Wed Jun 3 16:50:47 2009 From: freebsd at edvax.de (Polytropon) Date: Wed Jun 3 16:51:00 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: References: <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com> <20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws> Message-ID: <20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de> On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:21:28 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > open source - just by being opensource - can't guarantee anything more > that availability of sources. > > It's important to stay away of all that hype that opensource programs are > just better. > > Many are, many not. I'd like to add that IF security problems get discovered in OSS, it's usually just a matter of few time that this problem gets corrected. This is mostly because the public is able to look at the source code, so many programmers with different approaches and opinions can evaluate a certain security concept, and harden it that way. There is no need even to rely on someone else to fix it - you can fix it yourself. In MICROS~1 land, you give yourself entirely into the hand of a corporation that is not interested in selling secure products, but ANY products, so you can't be sure that with the next release you can buy, a known security problem has been corrected - and if new problems are just delivered the same way. A counter-example is VMS. It is a commercial product, but highly reliable and secure. (Allthough, the sayings about the human being the weakest point in security considerations applies there, too.) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From dave.mehler at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 16:56:24 2009 From: dave.mehler at gmail.com (Dave) Date: Wed Jun 3 16:56:32 2009 Subject: freebsd-update from 7.0 to 7.2 Message-ID: <30D9ABDEF9FE40E6B95E751EBF90AC8A@hades> Hello, I've got an older machine running 7.0. I ran freebsd-update upgrade on it to update it to 7.2, aftetr two reboots i'm still seeing 7.0 in the uname -r output. I did not get any errors during the download or installation of patches. Is this a recommended upgrade path? Thanks. Dave. From tajudd at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 16:58:48 2009 From: tajudd at gmail.com (Tim Judd) Date: Wed Jun 3 16:58:55 2009 Subject: Mounting Encrypted ISO and mdconfig In-Reply-To: <1244047704.9452.1318609673@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1243794760.10762.1318068173@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20090603081315.GA65381@ei.bzerk.org> <1244047704.9452.1318609673@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: Does it need to be an ISO file? i'm just curious why you can't use a UFS file that's then geli encrypted? If it does need to be an iso, simply make the same UFS filesystem (2k blocksize) of 700MB and geli encrypt that. It'll still burn to CD, but won't be a CD Filesystem. Does this help? On 6/3/09, Azim wrote: > Because I need something like TrueCrypt on FreeBSD. Decrypting the whole > ISO file first will make the situation insecure and definitely will kill > the purpose. An accidental reboot alongwith loss of the system/disk > while having the iso in a decrypted form can cause problems. > I need decryption on the fly, without making an extra copy of the same > file. > > > > > On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:13 +0200, "Ruben de Groot" > wrote: >> >> Why not decrypt it first? >> >> On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 09:32:40PM +0300, Azim typed: >> > Does FreeBSD or any BSD/OS have "mount -o encryption" support ? >> > I want to pipe aespipe and mount an encrypted iso. I have already >> > checked on FreeBSD 7.1 amd64 that loop option isn't available, so I am >> > sticking to mdconfig and vnconfig on old versions. >> > >> > If not then, >> > Is it possible to pipe aespipe with mdconfig >> > How do you on-the-fly-mount an Encrypted ISO under FreeBSD ? >> > >> > Regards, >> > QD >> > -- >> > Azim >> > quakerdoomer@fmguy.com >> > //////////////////////////////////////////// >> > “You can only get smarter by playing a smarter opponent." >> > “The greatest enemy will hide in the last place you would ever >> > look.” >> > “The harder the battle, the sweeter the victory.” >> > >> > __________________ >> > `---- """""""""""""""""""""""""""|] >> > /_ ==o _____ ___________|" >> > ),---.(_(___) / >> > // (\) ),----" >> > //....// >> > '----- >> > >> > \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ >> > >> > -- >> > http://www.fastmail.fm - IMAP accessible web-mail >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> > To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- > Azim > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - Access your email from home and the web > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From mel.flynn+fbsd.questions at mailing.thruhere.net Wed Jun 3 17:01:34 2009 From: mel.flynn+fbsd.questions at mailing.thruhere.net (Mel Flynn) Date: Wed Jun 3 17:02:05 2009 Subject: cyrus-imapd spawning multiple processes In-Reply-To: <4A26A614.9090409@locolomo.org> References: <20090602194756.GB43583@free.bsd.loc> <200906031818.35160.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <4A26A614.9090409@locolomo.org> Message-ID: <200906031901.30415.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> On Wednesday 03 June 2009 18:34:28 Erik Norgaard wrote: > Of course, some condition that causes a proces to exit unexpectedly > ought to give a clearer log message, and it shouldn't keep retrying, for > that you might consider sending a bug report to the developers. That's exactly what I meant. Even if it's your own fault, you might not know this (a chmod -RL boldly going where no one has gone before) and you will only notice when someone tries to use the service. If 200 people start using the service, it will be too late for your machine and your ssh session. -- Mel From sonicy at otenet.gr Wed Jun 3 17:02:15 2009 From: sonicy at otenet.gr (Manolis Kiagias) Date: Wed Jun 3 17:02:26 2009 Subject: freebsd-update from 7.0 to 7.2 In-Reply-To: <30D9ABDEF9FE40E6B95E751EBF90AC8A@hades> References: <30D9ABDEF9FE40E6B95E751EBF90AC8A@hades> Message-ID: <4A26AC62.1080900@otenet.gr> Dave wrote: > Hello, > I've got an older machine running 7.0. I ran freebsd-update upgrade > on it to update it to 7.2, aftetr two reboots i'm still seeing 7.0 in the > uname -r output. I did not get any errors during the download or > installation of patches. > The syntax for upgrading to a next version is slightly more involved, please read Handbook's section 24.2.3: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/updating-upgrading-freebsdupdate.html#FREEBSDUPDATE-UPGRADE > Is this a recommended upgrade path? > Thanks. > Dave. > Yes ;) From kirk at strauser.com Wed Jun 3 17:36:21 2009 From: kirk at strauser.com (Kirk Strauser) Date: Wed Jun 3 17:36:28 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200906031236.14533.kirk@strauser.com> On Tuesday 02 June 2009 10:59:51 am Wojciech Puchar wrote: > I would add - with Open Source add it's far smaller (actually close to > zero) probability that it doesn't do anything except it's supposed to do. > > I mean things like sending private data to someone else, scanning for > other programs i have on disk, my addressbook etc. I agree completely. I'd never voluntarily trust my personal information to a system that I (or other interested parties on my behalf) couldn't audit. -- Kirk Strauser From quakerdoomer at fmguy.com Wed Jun 3 17:43:24 2009 From: quakerdoomer at fmguy.com (Azim) Date: Wed Jun 3 17:43:31 2009 Subject: Mounting Encrypted ISO and mdconfig In-Reply-To: References: <1243794760.10762.1318068173@webmail.messagingengine.com><20090603081315.GA65381@ei.bzerk.org><1244047704.9452.1318609673@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1244051002.20244.1318619169@webmail.messagingengine.com> No it need not strictly be an iso. Infact I want a 10 GB file. I had given GELI encrypted UFS file a thought but I want it to be mountable from MS-Windows as well. UFS Explorer mounts UFS Disks but allows one way data xfrer (from UFS to Windows). You cannot write onto using UFS Explorer. Besides that, I doubt if UFS Explorer would ask for a password on encountering the encrypted file. Any inputs how to mount a UFS encrypted file as a drive on Windows with RW support ? That would be the best solution !! Any ideas ? On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:58 -0600, "Tim Judd" wrote: > Does it need to be an ISO file? i'm just curious why you can't use a > UFS file that's then geli encrypted? > > > If it does need to be an iso, simply make the same UFS filesystem (2k > blocksize) of 700MB and geli encrypt that. It'll still burn to CD, > but won't be a CD Filesystem. > > > Does this help? Regards, -- Azim -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Faster than the air-speed velocity of an unladen european swallow From tajudd at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 18:00:36 2009 From: tajudd at gmail.com (Tim Judd) Date: Wed Jun 3 18:00:43 2009 Subject: Mounting Encrypted ISO and mdconfig In-Reply-To: <1244051002.20244.1318619169@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1243794760.10762.1318068173@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20090603081315.GA65381@ei.bzerk.org> <1244047704.9452.1318609673@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1244051002.20244.1318619169@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: Maybe if instead of you asking about filesystem compatibility (we all know that problem), what if you ask on what your purpose for this cross is. Because I know I'll be shooting from the hip to try to understand the scenario before I can be of real help. --Tim On 6/3/09, Azim wrote: > > No it need not strictly be an iso. Infact I want a 10 GB file. > I had given GELI encrypted UFS file a thought but I want it to be > mountable from MS-Windows as well. > UFS Explorer mounts UFS Disks but allows one way data xfrer (from UFS to > Windows). You cannot write onto using UFS Explorer. Besides that, I > doubt if UFS Explorer would ask for a password on encountering the > encrypted file. > > Any inputs how to mount a UFS encrypted file as a drive on Windows with > RW support ? That would be the best solution !! > > Any ideas ? > > > On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:58 -0600, "Tim Judd" wrote: >> Does it need to be an ISO file? i'm just curious why you can't use a >> UFS file that's then geli encrypted? >> >> >> If it does need to be an iso, simply make the same UFS filesystem (2k >> blocksize) of 700MB and geli encrypt that. It'll still burn to CD, >> but won't be a CD Filesystem. >> >> >> Does this help? > > > > Regards, > -- > Azim > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - Faster than the air-speed velocity of an > unladen european swallow > > From rsmith at xs4all.nl Wed Jun 3 18:02:38 2009 From: rsmith at xs4all.nl (Roland Smith) Date: Wed Jun 3 18:02:47 2009 Subject: Mounting Encrypted ISO and mdconfig In-Reply-To: <1244051002.20244.1318619169@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1243794760.10762.1318068173@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20090603081315.GA65381@ei.bzerk.org> <1244047704.9452.1318609673@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1244051002.20244.1318619169@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <20090603180233.GA4428@slackbox.xs4all.nl> On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 08:43:22PM +0300, Azim wrote: > > No it need not strictly be an iso. Infact I want a 10 GB file. > I had given GELI encrypted UFS file a thought but I want it to be > mountable from MS-Windows as well. > UFS Explorer mounts UFS Disks but allows one way data xfrer (from UFS to > Windows). You cannot write onto using UFS Explorer. Besides that, I > doubt if UFS Explorer would ask for a password on encountering the > encrypted file. > > Any inputs how to mount a UFS encrypted file as a drive on Windows with > RW support ? That would be the best solution !! > > Any ideas ? None of the encyption schemes that is native to FreeBSD is supported on MS windows. Truecrypt[www.truecrypt.org] is supported on MS windows, Linux and OS X, but the FreeBSD port isn't stable yet (it seems to hang the system when copying a lot of small files). Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 196 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/attachments/20090603/54c34fad/attachment.pgp From kirk at strauser.com Wed Jun 3 18:25:00 2009 From: kirk at strauser.com (Kirk Strauser) Date: Wed Jun 3 18:25:14 2009 Subject: Swap on ZFS - still a bad idea? Message-ID: <200906031324.54199.kirk@strauser.com> Putting swap on ZFS is listed as broken on the wiki. Is that still true of the newly MFC'ed version? -- Kirk Strauser From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Wed Jun 3 18:33:01 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Wed Jun 3 18:33:09 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: <20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com> <20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: > > I'd like to add that IF security problems get discovered in OSS, > it's usually just a matter of few time that this problem gets > corrected. This is mostly because the public is able to look at that's true - i pointed it out at the beginning. It can be found easily that someone adds backdoor intentionally. But unintentional security holes are different thing. Everyone can find them and fix, but at the same time everyone can find them and use them. With closed source both are more difficult. > In MICROS~1 land, you give yourself entirely into the hand of a > corporation that is not interested in selling secure products, So this is not open/closed source problem, but micro-soft approach. They just don't care about security. As they don't care about performance and about bugs. But that's just micro-soft. > A counter-example is VMS. It is a commercial product, but highly > reliable and secure. At least is said too, i never used or even seen VMS. From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Wed Jun 3 18:34:32 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Wed Jun 3 18:34:39 2009 Subject: Mounting Encrypted ISO and mdconfig In-Reply-To: <1244047704.9452.1318609673@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1243794760.10762.1318068173@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20090603081315.GA65381@ei.bzerk.org> <1244047704.9452.1318609673@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: If you need true-crypt compatible encryption you must ask truecrypt for FreeBSD port :) If you like good encryption at all, use geli. it's useful for any block device. Recording encrypted DVD's are bit tricky, but not difficult. Then you use them as any normal block device. From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Wed Jun 3 18:36:45 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Wed Jun 3 18:36:57 2009 Subject: Swap on ZFS - still a bad idea? In-Reply-To: <200906031324.54199.kirk@strauser.com> References: <200906031324.54199.kirk@strauser.com> Message-ID: > Putting swap on ZFS is listed as broken on the wiki. Is that still true of > the newly MFC'ed version? No idea. You may just make separate partition for swapping and it will work. Good if you have swap "just for sure". If your system needs swapping under normal operation, using ZFS is really bad idea as it needs lots of memory - which you are already short of. With RAM costs of <20$/GB (DDR2) it's best to get as much memory as your software needs. From davidcollins001 at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 18:36:47 2009 From: davidcollins001 at gmail.com (David Collins) Date: Wed Jun 3 18:36:58 2009 Subject: ethernet card not working Message-ID: <1b30fd140906031136u577c15b1rdca015869491720f@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I have just gotten an old ethernet card, not entirely sure how old it is but it has pulse H1012 on one of the chips and appears as ethernet device fxp0 in freebsd 7.0. When I plug an ethernet cable between this card and another computer (freebsd 7.2) ifconfig says that the status has no carrier. When I unplug either end and plug it into my ibook (OS X) the status changes to active and I can ping the other computer. From this I can see that both both freebsd computers have working ethernet cards and the cable works also, just not freebsd-freebsd. Does anyone have any ideas why this might be the case and how to fix it? Thanks David From perlcat at windstream.net Wed Jun 3 18:40:47 2009 From: perlcat at windstream.net (Tyson Boellstorff) Date: Wed Jun 3 18:40:53 2009 Subject: Can One Query an Oracle 10 Data Base under FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE7D@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> References: <200906022159.n52LxQlS089946@dc.cis.okstate.edu> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE7D@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> Message-ID: <200906031340.32626.perlcat@windstream.net> On Tuesday 02 June 2009 17:07:57 Gary Gatten wrote: > Surely there's a native Oracle SQL or ODBC client in the ports > collection. Have you checked there? > I believe OP is looking for assurances that the oracle 7 and 8 clients listed in ports/databases would work. If he just needs a connection and to run ANSI SQL, it would work just as fine or maybe a little better than ODBC. The problem is that some things are not supported in the 7/8 clients that he may want. In that case, he should be looking at running the linux-based clients for more direct supportability from Oracle. IMO, it is a case of using the wrong tool if optimal performance is a requirement. There are plenty of up-to-the-minute databases and clients for FreeBSD that are not Oracle. Otherwise, the older versions are just fine, and I haven't had any truly serious performance problems. ymmv. From Ggatten at waddell.com Wed Jun 3 18:41:07 2009 From: Ggatten at waddell.com (Gary Gatten) Date: Wed Jun 3 18:41:13 2009 Subject: ethernet card not working In-Reply-To: <1b30fd140906031136u577c15b1rdca015869491720f@mail.gmail.com> References: <1b30fd140906031136u577c15b1rdca015869491720f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE8F@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> Maybe the MAC card has auto MDI-X? You usually need a crossover cable to connected two computers directly without a hub/switch. -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of David Collins Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 1:37 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: ethernet card not working Hi, I have just gotten an old ethernet card, not entirely sure how old it is but it has pulse H1012 on one of the chips and appears as ethernet device fxp0 in freebsd 7.0. When I plug an ethernet cable between this card and another computer (freebsd 7.2) ifconfig says that the status has no carrier. When I unplug either end and plug it into my ibook (OS X) the status changes to active and I can ping the other computer. From this I can see that both both freebsd computers have working ethernet cards and the cable works also, just not freebsd-freebsd. Does anyone have any ideas why this might be the case and how to fix it? 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From nightrecon at verizon.net Wed Jun 3 19:04:43 2009 From: nightrecon at verizon.net (Michael Powell) Date: Wed Jun 3 19:04:51 2009 Subject: ethernet card not working References: <1b30fd140906031136u577c15b1rdca015869491720f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: David Collins wrote: > Hi, > > I have just gotten an old ethernet card, not entirely sure how old it > is but it has pulse H1012 on one of the chips and appears as ethernet > device fxp0 in freebsd 7.0. > > When I plug an ethernet cable between this card and another computer > (freebsd 7.2) ifconfig says that the status has no carrier. When I > unplug either end and plug it into my ibook (OS X) the status changes > to active and I can ping the other computer. From this I can see that > both both freebsd computers have working ethernet cards and the cable > works also, just not freebsd-freebsd. > > Does anyone have any ideas why this might be the case and how to fix it? > One thing to consider is you may require a crossover cable for a computer to computer connection (e.g., no hub or switch in use). Most newer equipment will auto configure for any cabling arrangement so it doesn't matter if it's a straight-thru or crossover; but if you are using a straight-thru it may be failing because the old card is balking. Try using a crossover cable and see if it makes any difference. -Mike From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Wed Jun 3 19:05:36 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Wed Jun 3 19:05:43 2009 Subject: ethernet card not working In-Reply-To: <1b30fd140906031136u577c15b1rdca015869491720f@mail.gmail.com> References: <1b30fd140906031136u577c15b1rdca015869491720f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > unplug either end and plug it into my ibook (OS X) the status changes > to active and I can ping the other computer. From this I can see that > both both freebsd computers have working ethernet cards and the cable > works also, just not freebsd-freebsd. > > Does anyone have any ideas why this might be the case and how to fix it? > bad cable or not swapped at all. between 2 computers you have to make swapped cable on one side put green pair in place of yellow, yellow in place of green, brown in place of blue and blue in place of brown. If it's 10 or 100 Mbps ethernet blue&brown doesn't matter, only 2 pairs are used. From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Wed Jun 3 19:09:16 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Wed Jun 3 19:09:23 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE90@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> References: <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com><20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet><20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws><20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws><20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws><4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com><20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws><20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE90@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> Message-ID: > Isn't there an "OpenVMS" somewhere? Is it true OSS? No. it's just product name, and is closed source. They changed the name when IMHO it started to provide some api that allow porting apps from other systems (like unix) easier. > Also, how many people actually review source code AND have the skills to > find security related issues? very few. and even less actually do this. some do it to actually make use of security holes, not fix it. Even more probable, they use it for some time, and then tell when they'll find another ;) > I like "Open" for all the reasons most people do, but not convinced > having access to source to review for security holes is a major > "feature". I like source to fix things and add features / The only feature of open source is ... open source and no paying for program. Everything else - depends of actual software :) From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Wed Jun 3 19:10:41 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Wed Jun 3 19:10:48 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE93@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> References: <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws><20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws><20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws><4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com><20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws><20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090603184836.GA46417@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE93@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> Message-ID: > Yes, and that old urban legend, that Windows NT is "better" than VMS, so > the initials are one higher in each position - at least in my alphabet: Actually - this man and few others from Digital made good job on kernel programming. Micro-soft f..ed everything else up. From kirk at strauser.com Wed Jun 3 19:11:08 2009 From: kirk at strauser.com (Kirk Strauser) Date: Wed Jun 3 19:11:15 2009 Subject: Swap on ZFS - still a bad idea? In-Reply-To: References: <200906031324.54199.kirk@strauser.com> Message-ID: <200906031410.59524.kirk@strauser.com> On Wednesday 03 June 2009 01:36:37 pm Wojciech Puchar wrote: > No idea. You may just make separate partition for swapping and it will > work. Good if you have swap "just for sure". Well, the problem is that I wanted to have a "bare-metal" ZFS system without any FreeBSD slices or partitions. > If your system needs swapping under normal operation, using ZFS is really > bad idea as it needs lots of memory - which you are already short of. It was more of the "just in case", with plenty of RAM for normal operation. -- Kirk Strauser From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Wed Jun 3 19:24:38 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Wed Jun 3 19:24:44 2009 Subject: Swap on ZFS - still a bad idea? In-Reply-To: <200906031410.59524.kirk@strauser.com> References: <200906031324.54199.kirk@strauser.com> <200906031410.59524.kirk@strauser.com> Message-ID: > On Wednesday 03 June 2009 01:36:37 pm Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> No idea. You may just make separate partition for swapping and it will >> work. Good if you have swap "just for sure". > > Well, the problem is that I wanted to have a "bare-metal" ZFS system without > any FreeBSD slices or partitions. slices are not needed with any fs. partitions - you need at least boot partition. > >> If your system needs swapping under normal operation, using ZFS is really >> bad idea as it needs lots of memory - which you are already short of. > > It was more of the "just in case", with plenty of RAM for normal operation. > -- so just don't set up swap at all, or do under ZFS as it's "just in case" not normal operation From freebsd at edvax.de Wed Jun 3 19:35:42 2009 From: freebsd at edvax.de (Polytropon) Date: Wed Jun 3 19:35:48 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE90@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> References: <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com> <20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE90@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> Message-ID: <20090603213531.c56f385b.freebsd@edvax.de> On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:46:15 -0500, "Gary Gatten" wrote: > Isn't there an "OpenVMS" somewhere? VMS is called OpenVMS today, and owned by HP, if I remember correctly - I didn't check, sorry.? > Is it true OSS? No. I mentioned VMS as an example that even closed source can be of high quality (as an exception to MICROS~1 stuff). > Also, how many people actually review source code AND have the skills to > find security related issues? Obviously enough of them - OpenSSH is an example. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From freebsd at edvax.de Wed Jun 3 19:39:26 2009 From: freebsd at edvax.de (Polytropon) Date: Wed Jun 3 19:51:53 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: References: <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com> <20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE90@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> Message-ID: <20090603213924.3695c53b.freebsd@edvax.de> On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:08:50 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > Isn't there an "OpenVMS" somewhere? Is it true OSS? > > No. it's just product name, and is closed source. Yes. > They changed the name when IMHO it started to provide some api > that allow porting apps from other systems (like unix) easier. The "Open" indicates that it is conform to certain standards, like "it's open for interoperability" in terms of certain interfaces. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From rsmith at xs4all.nl Wed Jun 3 20:13:46 2009 From: rsmith at xs4all.nl (Roland Smith) Date: Wed Jun 3 20:13:53 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: <20090603213531.c56f385b.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com> <20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE90@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090603213531.c56f385b.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: <20090603201342.GA8685@slackbox.xs4all.nl> On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 09:35:31PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:46:15 -0500, "Gary Gatten" wrote: > > Isn't there an "OpenVMS" somewhere? There is an open source clone in the works: http://www.freevms.net/ No idea of the state it is in. The OZONE OS [http://www.o3one.org/] uses a lot of VMS concepts. Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 196 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/attachments/20090603/73aad851/attachment.pgp From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Wed Jun 3 20:21:01 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Wed Jun 3 20:21:07 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: <20090603201342.GA8685@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com> <20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE90@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090603213531.c56f385b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090603201342.GA8685@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: > > There is an open source clone in the works: http://www.freevms.net/ > No idea of the state it is in. basically doesn't work. > > The OZONE OS [http://www.o3one.org/] uses a lot of VMS concepts. downloading From lreid at cs.okstate.edu Wed Jun 3 20:36:23 2009 From: lreid at cs.okstate.edu (Reid Linnemann) Date: Wed Jun 3 20:36:30 2009 Subject: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) In-Reply-To: References: <4688025620918128507458768288443306245-Webmail@me.com> <20090602215339.GA86750@barragry.com> <20090602225532.GA88740@barragry.com> <4A26D44A.8040705@cs.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <4A26DEB8.3050702@cs.okstate.edu> Written by Wojciech Puchar on 06/03/09 15:15>> >> >> I'm literally rolling on the floor laughing at your hypocritical >> observation here. The whole reason this tangled mess of threads even >> exists is because you were aggressive in your own response to the >> potential donor. >> >> That's all I have to say. The sooner this thread and its godforsaken >> stepchildren die, the better. >> >> > so stop posting and shut up about "being aggressive" to "potential > donor"==real spammer. I don't see why I should accept that order. You have no supporters of your rude and outlandish behavior, and you get worse with each criticism. You do not represent FreeBSD, the FreeBSD foundation, or the freebsd-questions mailing list. You can have whatever ridiculous opinions you want, and I and others can rebut them to our heart's content, but do not presume that you have some right or privilege to tell anyone on this list to "shut up" and "stop posting". Thank you. From lreid at cs.okstate.edu Wed Jun 3 20:47:57 2009 From: lreid at cs.okstate.edu (Reid Linnemann) Date: Wed Jun 3 20:48:10 2009 Subject: An adage for gmirror users Message-ID: <4A26DBAD.6000005@cs.okstate.edu> I was recently updating my 7-STABLE system from a 7.1-PRERELEASE era tree, and after having quite an unexpected headache doing so I have a few words of wisdom. When updating FreeBSD, treat it like a car and ALWAYS CHECK YOUR MIRRORS! My mirror gm0 consists of two SATA disks, ad4 and ad6. Now, I have a finicky controller that sporadically spits out READ_DMA and READ_DMA48 timeouts inexplicably. So at some point in time immemorial after installing the last kernel, ad4 suffered a number of READ_DMA48 errors and dropped out without being removed from the mirror's provider list . So when I installed my new flashy kernel with all my filesystems mounted, it was put into /boot/kernel on the mirror, which at that point consisted of only ad6. On boot, the loader grabbed the kernel from ad4s1a by default, since that's the first probed disk, and that kernel is not the one I installed to the mirror! It took a little while for that to sink in as I built and rebuilt and re-re-built the kernel, perplexed that not only did my version in uname never changed from 7.1-PRERELEASE, but also that the build number in uname output never changed and I could see the recently written kernel in an ls of /boot/kernel (when all filesystems were mounted). I gmirror forget'ed gm0 and rebuilt ad4, and all was right in the world again. So there you have it, learn from my oblivious mistake and remember to check your mirrors! From lreid at cs.okstate.edu Wed Jun 3 20:47:57 2009 From: lreid at cs.okstate.edu (Reid Linnemann) Date: Wed Jun 3 20:48:11 2009 Subject: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) In-Reply-To: References: <4688025620918128507458768288443306245-Webmail@me.com> <20090602215339.GA86750@barragry.com> <20090602225532.GA88740@barragry.com> Message-ID: <4A26D44A.8040705@cs.okstate.edu> Written by Wojciech Puchar on 06/02/09 18:01>> >>> Some people may want both, but well you can't have everything. It's not >>> possible to everyone will agree with everyone on mailing list, and with >>> every potential new user. >> >> I know that disagreeing is inevitable. My position is that a pleasant >> tone would be nice. > > Mine too. What i really don't like here sometimes are lack of > discussion, just agressive answers from some people. > I'm literally rolling on the floor laughing at your hypocritical observation here. The whole reason this tangled mess of threads even exists is because you were aggressive in your own response to the potential donor. That's all I have to say. The sooner this thread and its godforsaken stepchildren die, the better. From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Wed Jun 3 20:49:42 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Wed Jun 3 20:49:48 2009 Subject: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) In-Reply-To: <4A26DEB8.3050702@cs.okstate.edu> References: <4688025620918128507458768288443306245-Webmail@me.com> <20090602215339.GA86750@barragry.com> <20090602225532.GA88740@barragry.com> <4A26D44A.8040705@cs.okstate.edu> <4A26DEB8.3050702@cs.okstate.edu> Message-ID: >> donor"==real spammer. > > I don't see why I should accept that order. You have no supporters of > your rude and outlandish behavior, and you get worse with each all your opinions > criticism. You do not represent FreeBSD, the FreeBSD foundation, or the > freebsd-questions mailing list. You can have whatever ridiculous > opinions you want, and I and others can rebut them to our heart's > content, but do not presume that you have some right or privilege to > tell anyone on this list to "shut up" and "stop posting". Thank you. > > I replied to you privately, and you said about stopping that thread. Yet - you forwarded this on public. From utisoft at googlemail.com Wed Jun 3 20:50:46 2009 From: utisoft at googlemail.com (Chris Rees) Date: Wed Jun 3 20:50:53 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: <20090603201342.GA8685@slackbox.xs4all.nl> References: <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com> <20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE90@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090603213531.c56f385b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090603201342.GA8685@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: 2009/6/3 Roland Smith : > On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 09:35:31PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: >> On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:46:15 -0500, "Gary Gatten" wrote: >> > Isn't there an "OpenVMS" somewhere? > > There is an open source clone in the works: http://www.freevms.net/ > No idea of the state it is in. > > The OZONE OS [http://www.o3one.org/] uses a lot of VMS concepts. > I just LOVE the webpage. The kind of one I'd make in my spare time... Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Wed Jun 3 20:56:04 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Wed Jun 3 20:56:12 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: References: <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com> <20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE90@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090603213531.c56f385b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090603201342.GA8685@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: >> >> The OZONE OS [http://www.o3one.org/] uses a lot of VMS concepts. >> > > I just LOVE the webpage. The kind of one I'd make in my spare time... > i have no VMS knowledge so for now i just booted it on qemu and on computer directly. loads quickly, i logged in and for now don't know any more ;) From freebsd at edvax.de Wed Jun 3 20:56:33 2009 From: freebsd at edvax.de (Polytropon) Date: Wed Jun 3 20:56:42 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: References: <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com> <20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE90@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090603213531.c56f385b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090603201342.GA8685@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20090603225625.0a828067.freebsd@edvax.de> On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:50:24 +0100, Chris Rees wrote: > > The OZONE OS [http://www.o3one.org/] uses a lot of VMS concepts. > > I just LOVE the webpage. The kind of one I'd make in my spare time... Why? Because it's so L33T? :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Wed Jun 3 20:58:20 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Wed Jun 3 20:58:27 2009 Subject: An adage for gmirror users In-Reply-To: <4A26DBAD.6000005@cs.okstate.edu> References: <4A26DBAD.6000005@cs.okstate.edu> Message-ID: > My mirror gm0 consists of two SATA disks, ad4 and ad6. Now, I have a > finicky controller that sporadically spits out READ_DMA and READ_DMA48 or bad cables. > timeouts inexplicably. So at some point in time immemorial after > installing the last kernel, ad4 suffered a number of READ_DMA48 errors > and dropped out without being removed from the mirror's provider list . > So when I installed my new flashy kernel with all my filesystems > mounted, it was put into /boot/kernel on the mirror, which at that point > consisted of only ad6. On boot, the loader grabbed the kernel from i simply have in crontab a script running once per hour: #!/bin/sh /sbin/gmirror status|grep -q DEGRADED && \\ mail -s "gmirror failure" myphonenumber@mygsmoperator.pl I'm looking to an existing way to output a date in the format YY/DDD, where YY is the year (last two digits) and DDD is the of the year, starting from 1, preceeded by zeroes if needed, and YYYY/DDD, where YYYY is the year with four digits, such as 2009-01-01 would be 09/001, 2009-02-01 would be 2009/032. I've read "man date" and "man strftime", and it didn't look like this is already built in. What am I missing? If it's not invented yet, I'll do this on my own, but maybe I don't need to re-invent the wheel. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From fbsdq at peterk.org Wed Jun 3 21:07:14 2009 From: fbsdq at peterk.org (Peter) Date: Wed Jun 3 21:07:27 2009 Subject: nfs / showmount using wrong IP -> nfs weirdness Message-ID: <07c5daf976003376fe3679b7a872c0a5.squirrel@webmail.pknet.net> Setting up a test lab and ran into a weird NFS mounting problem: [7.2-STABLE FreeBSD 7.2-STABLE #0: Tue Jun 2 12:02:57 MDT 2009] denver:#ifconfig fxp0|grep inet inet 172.20.6.15 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 172.20.6.255 inet 116.123.45.215 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 116.123.45.255 denver:#grep cherno /etc/hosts 172.20.6.210 cherno 116.123.45.210 cherno denver:#ping -c1 cherno PING cherno (172.20.6.210): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 172.20.6.210: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=0.363 ms denver:#showmount -e 172.20.6.210|wc -l 8 denver:#showmount cherno|wc -l ^Cdenver:# it fails to 'showmount' via hostname. On the NFS Server/on cherno:: 10. 014455 00:02:b3:89:82:6e > 00:b0:d0:79:f0:e0, ethertype IPv4 (0x0800), length 98: 116.123.45.215.994 > 116.123.45.210.111: UDP, length 56 Why is it trying to use the other IP/entry from the hosts file? Now, if I remove the "public" ip from the interface: denver:#ifconfig fxp0 -alias 116.123.45.215 denver:#showmount -e cherno|wc -l 8 Then if I add another subnet to fxp0 it still works: denver:#ifconfig fxp0 alias 116.123.45.15/24 denver:#showmount -e cherno|wc -l 8 Then it fails again: denver:#ifconfig fxp0 -alias 116.123.45.15 denver:#ifconfig fxp0 alias 116.123.45.215/24 denver:#showmount -e cherno|wc -l ^Cdenver:# Now uncomment the public IP from /etc/hosts: denver:#grep cherno /etc/hosts 172.20.6.210 cherno #116.123.45.210 cherno it still has the 'evil' public ip: denver:#ifconfig fxp0|grep inet inet 172.20.6.15 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 172.20.6.255 inet 116.123.45.215 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 116.123.45.255 denver:#showmount -e cherno|wc -l 8 denver:#netstat -rna Routing tables Internet: Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 UH 0 522 lo0 172.20.6.0/24 link#2 UC 0 0 fxp0 172.20.6.210 00:b0:d0:79:f0:e0 UHLW 1 31 fxp0 569 172.20.6.213 00:03:47:e8:4e:11 UHLW 1 1264 fxp0 91 116.123.45.0/24 link#2 UC 0 0 fxp0 116.123.45.210 00:b0:d0:79:f0:e0 UHLW 1 1 fxp0 1136 It seems if the alias IP on fxp0 is from 116.123.45.192 -> 223 it fails, and does not even try to use the 172.20.6.X... ssh/ping/file server/ftp/etc - Everything else works fine using /etc/hosts and from there it is using the 172.20.6.X network, only NFS wants to use the 116 network.... From kirk at strauser.com Wed Jun 3 21:07:17 2009 From: kirk at strauser.com (Kirk Strauser) Date: Wed Jun 3 21:07:28 2009 Subject: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD In-Reply-To: <20090603230314.bfeecf1a.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20090603230314.bfeecf1a.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: <200906031607.11697.kirk@strauser.com> On Wednesday 03 June 2009 04:03:14 pm Polytropon wrote: > I'm looking to an existing way to output a date in the format > YY/DDD, where YY is the year (last two digits) and DDD is the > of the year, starting from 1, preceeded by zeroes if needed, > and YYYY/DDD, where YYYY is the year with four digits, such > as 2009-01-01 would be 09/001, 2009-02-01 would be 2009/032. Like this? $ date +'%y/%j' 09/154 $ date +'%Y/%j' 2009/154 -- Kirk Strauser From Ggatten at waddell.com Wed Jun 3 21:07:34 2009 From: Ggatten at waddell.com (Gary Gatten) Date: Wed Jun 3 21:08:01 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: <20090603225625.0a828067.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws><20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws><4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com><20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws><20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de><70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE90@WADPEXV0.waddell.com><20090603213531.c56f385b.freebsd@edvax.de><20090603201342.GA8685@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090603225625.0a828067.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE9E@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> -----Original Message----- From: Polytropon [mailto:freebsd@edvax.de] Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 3:56 PM To: utisoft@gmail.com Cc: Chris Rees; Roland Smith; Gary Gatten; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open_Source On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:50:24 +0100, Chris Rees wrote: > > The OZONE OS [http://www.o3one.org/] uses a lot of VMS concepts. > > I just LOVE the webpage. The kind of one I'd make in my spare time... Why? Because it's so L33T? :-) LMAO! Browsed the page a little and the OS sounds interesting though. Whatever happened to BeOS?
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From utisoft at googlemail.com Wed Jun 3 21:08:09 2009 From: utisoft at googlemail.com (Chris Rees) Date: Wed Jun 3 21:08:20 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: <20090603225625.0a828067.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE90@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090603213531.c56f385b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090603201342.GA8685@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090603225625.0a828067.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: 2009/6/3 Polytropon : > On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:50:24 +0100, Chris Rees wrote: >> > The OZONE OS [http://www.o3one.org/] uses a lot of VMS concepts. >> >> I just LOVE the webpage. The kind of one I'd make in my spare time... > > Why? Because it's so L33T? :-) > > Yeah, and the apologies for inclusion of COMMENTS /* gasp */ -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Wed Jun 3 21:13:09 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Wed Jun 3 21:13:15 2009 Subject: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD In-Reply-To: <20090603230314.bfeecf1a.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20090603230314.bfeecf1a.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: > as 2009-01-01 would be 09/001, 2009-02-01 would be 2009/032. > > I've read "man date" and "man strftime", and it didn't look > like this is already built in. > > What am I missing? > > If it's not invented yet, I'll do this on my own, but maybe > I don't need to re-invent the wheel. :-) > #include #include main(int argc,char **argv) { time_t tmp1=time(0); struct tm tmp2; localtime_r(&tmp1,&tmp2); if(argc>1) printf("%02d",(tmp2.tm_year/100)+19); printf("%02d/%03d\n",tmp2.tm_year%100,tmp2.tm_yday+1); return 0; }; started with no arguments gives YY/DDD, with any argument - YYYY/DDD From lreid at cs.okstate.edu Wed Jun 3 21:15:07 2009 From: lreid at cs.okstate.edu (Reid Linnemann) Date: Wed Jun 3 21:15:14 2009 Subject: An adage for gmirror users In-Reply-To: References: <4A26DBAD.6000005@cs.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <4A26E7CA.6020306@cs.okstate.edu> Written by Wojciech Puchar on 06/03/09 15:58>> >> My mirror gm0 consists of two SATA disks, ad4 and ad6. Now, I have a >> finicky controller that sporadically spits out READ_DMA and READ_DMA48 > > or bad cables. > I'll have to try different cables sometime, you may very well be correct. >> timeouts inexplicably. So at some point in time immemorial after >> installing the last kernel, ad4 suffered a number of READ_DMA48 errors >> and dropped out without being removed from the mirror's provider list . >> So when I installed my new flashy kernel with all my filesystems >> mounted, it was put into /boot/kernel on the mirror, which at that point >> consisted of only ad6. On boot, the loader grabbed the kernel from > > i simply have in crontab a script running once per hour: > > #!/bin/sh > /sbin/gmirror status|grep -q DEGRADED && \\ > mail -s "gmirror failure" myphonenumber@mygsmoperator.pl > > anyway - what a sense of using gmirror without regularly checking of > failures at all? Touch?! I set up my mirror after my last disk started dying and I realized I needed at least some minimal fault protection. Mirroring seemed expedient. My ideal situation would be additionally backing up things I can't bear to lose on optical or tape media, but as this is my hobby machine and I have many adult responsibilities that fall before it, some things just have to wait. From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Wed Jun 3 21:20:13 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Wed Jun 3 21:20:20 2009 Subject: An adage for gmirror users In-Reply-To: <4A26E7CA.6020306@cs.okstate.edu> References: <4A26DBAD.6000005@cs.okstate.edu> <4A26E7CA.6020306@cs.okstate.edu> Message-ID: >> >> or bad cables. >> > > I'll have to try different cables sometime, you may very well be correct. i had such problems many times. it always was cables or disk drive. Disk drive - check with smartmontools from ports. >> i simply have in crontab a script running once per hour: >> >> #!/bin/sh >> /sbin/gmirror status|grep -q DEGRADED && \\ >> mail -s "gmirror failure" myphonenumber@mygsmoperator.pl > Surely you jest! You presume that I have access to cheap, unrestrictive > communications technology ;) In the US, ISPs prevent clients routing > their own mail and text messages are outrageously expensive with our > cell carriers! Seriously though, that's a good idea. Maybe I could have so just send it to your mail! Actually - only one operator in Poland still work this way, and doesn't officially say it's supported. And it's the only reason i still use it, as others are bit cheaper. > Touch?! I set up my mirror after my last disk started dying and I How about regular backups? mirroring is only protection agains downtime, not loss of data that, as you may lose data because of other reasons. Like accidental deletion, someone cracking into, hardware failure causing reading nonsense from disk and then writing nonsense results to both drives etc. etc. > realized I needed at least some minimal fault protection. Mirroring > seemed expedient. My ideal situation would be additionally backing up > things I can't bear to lose on optical or tape media, but as this is my DVDs are not expensive. and usually really small part of disk space needs to be backed up. From ccowart at rescomp.berkeley.edu Wed Jun 3 21:33:05 2009 From: ccowart at rescomp.berkeley.edu (Chris Cowart) Date: Wed Jun 3 21:33:12 2009 Subject: An adage for gmirror users In-Reply-To: <4A26E7CA.6020306@cs.okstate.edu> References: <4A26DBAD.6000005@cs.okstate.edu> <4A26E7CA.6020306@cs.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <20090603213302.GM49013@hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu> Reid Linnemann wrote: > Written by Wojciech Puchar on 06/03/09 15:58>> > > i simply have in crontab a script running once per hour: > > > > #!/bin/sh > > /sbin/gmirror status|grep -q DEGRADED && \\ > > mail -s "gmirror failure" myphonenumber@mygsmoperator.pl > Surely you jest! You presume that I have access to cheap, unrestrictive > communications technology ;) In the US, ISPs prevent clients routing > their own mail and text messages are outrageously expensive with our > cell carriers! Seriously though, that's a good idea. Maybe I could have > it wall the message and/or put it in /etc/motd to get my attention. Or simply put daily_status_gmirror_enable="YES" in /etc/periodic.conf and watch your dailies. -- Chris Cowart Network Technical Lead Network & Infrastructure Services, RSSP-IT UC Berkeley -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 834 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/attachments/20090603/f83c7c7e/attachment.pgp From freebsd at edvax.de Wed Jun 3 21:52:26 2009 From: freebsd at edvax.de (Polytropon) Date: Wed Jun 3 21:52:33 2009 Subject: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD In-Reply-To: <200906031607.11697.kirk@strauser.com> References: <20090603230314.bfeecf1a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031607.11697.kirk@strauser.com> Message-ID: <20090603235219.2e8abb8a.freebsd@edvax.de> On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:07:11 -0500, Kirk Strauser wrote: > Like this? > > $ date +'%y/%j' > 09/154 > $ date +'%Y/%j' > 2009/154 Exactly. After re-reading "man strftime", I really found it mentioned there: %j is replaced by the day of the year as a decimal number (001-366). Would be nice to have this in "man date", too. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From jos at webrz.net Wed Jun 3 21:55:58 2009 From: jos at webrz.net (Jos Chrispijn) Date: Wed Jun 3 21:56:04 2009 Subject: Stale lockfile Message-ID: <4A26F16C.2010805@webrz.net> Can someone tell me what this file exactly is for? Got the message 'Stale lock file found. Removed' running 'portupgrade -a'. thanks, Jos Chrispijn From kirk at strauser.com Wed Jun 3 22:00:52 2009 From: kirk at strauser.com (Kirk Strauser) Date: Wed Jun 3 22:01:37 2009 Subject: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD In-Reply-To: <20090603235219.2e8abb8a.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20090603230314.bfeecf1a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031607.11697.kirk@strauser.com> <20090603235219.2e8abb8a.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: <200906031700.45600.kirk@strauser.com> On Wednesday 03 June 2009 04:52:19 pm Polytropon wrote: > Exactly. After re-reading "man strftime", I really found it > mentioned there: > > %j is replaced by the day of the year as a decimal number > (001-366). > > Would be nice to have this in "man date", too. :-) Well, I see the point of documenting it in one canonical location, and pointing everything else at that location (instead of having to maintain every related man page every time it's updated). -- Kirk Strauser From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Wed Jun 3 22:09:01 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Wed Jun 3 22:09:08 2009 Subject: Stale lockfile In-Reply-To: <4A26F16C.2010805@webrz.net> References: <4A26F16C.2010805@webrz.net> Message-ID: > Can someone tell me what this file exactly is for? > Got the message 'Stale lock file found. Removed' running 'portupgrade -a'. that you use portupgrade -a before and it was stopped by some way and did not removed it's lock file. Now it found a lock file, but no longer process that it referenced too, so it gave a message and deleted it From davidcollins001 at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 22:25:19 2009 From: davidcollins001 at gmail.com (David Collins) Date: Wed Jun 3 22:25:25 2009 Subject: ethernet card not working In-Reply-To: References: <1b30fd140906031136u577c15b1rdca015869491720f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1b30fd140906031525g7e2e2eafw2a4256800ab4a126@mail.gmail.com> On 03/06/2009, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> unplug either end and plug it into my ibook (OS X) the status changes >> to active and I can ping the other computer. From this I can see that >> both both freebsd computers have working ethernet cards and the cable >> works also, just not freebsd-freebsd. >> >> Does anyone have any ideas why this might be the case and how to fix it? >> > bad cable or not swapped at all. > > between 2 computers you have to make swapped cable on one side put green > pair in place of yellow, yellow in place of green, brown in place of blue > and blue in place of brown. > > If it's 10 or 100 Mbps ethernet blue&brown doesn't matter, only 2 pairs > are used. > The cable works find and so does the network card. I have it plugged into my ibook and am sshing across it - everything works fine and as it should when using freebsd to osx, just can't do the same from freebsd to freebsd. From Ggatten at waddell.com Wed Jun 3 22:33:07 2009 From: Ggatten at waddell.com (Gary Gatten) Date: Wed Jun 3 22:33:21 2009 Subject: ethernet card not working Message-ID: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EEA6@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> Again, cross-over cable! ----- Original Message ----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Wed Jun 03 17:25:17 2009 Subject: Re: ethernet card not working On 03/06/2009, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> unplug either end and plug it into my ibook (OS X) the status changes >> to active and I can ping the other computer. From this I can see that >> both both freebsd computers have working ethernet cards and the cable >> works also, just not freebsd-freebsd. >> >> Does anyone have any ideas why this might be the case and how to fix it? >> > bad cable or not swapped at all. > > between 2 computers you have to make swapped cable on one side put green > pair in place of yellow, yellow in place of green, brown in place of blue > and blue in place of brown. > > If it's 10 or 100 Mbps ethernet blue&brown doesn't matter, only 2 pairs > are used. > The cable works find and so does the network card. I have it plugged into my ibook and am sshing across it - everything works fine and as it should when using freebsd to osx, just can't do the same from freebsd to freebsd. _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
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From freebsd at edvax.de Wed Jun 3 23:01:02 2009 From: freebsd at edvax.de (Polytropon) Date: Wed Jun 3 23:01:11 2009 Subject: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD In-Reply-To: <200906031700.45600.kirk@strauser.com> References: <20090603230314.bfeecf1a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031607.11697.kirk@strauser.com> <20090603235219.2e8abb8a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031700.45600.kirk@strauser.com> Message-ID: <20090604010054.a45f5880.freebsd@edvax.de> On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:00:45 -0500, Kirk Strauser wrote: > Well, I see the point of documenting it in one canonical location, and > pointing everything else at that location (instead of having to maintain every > related man page every time it's updated). I really shoud have paid more attention to strftime manual, allthough I noticed it in the text of "man date", saying: The format string may contain any of the conversion specifications described in the strftime(3) manual page, as well as any arbitrary text. And it was mentioned in SEE ALSO". This is how I got from "man date" to "man strftime" where I should have recognized the correct answer. Life is hard if you can't read properly. :-) PS. I love FreeBSD for its excellent documentation. Can't tell something similar about Linux, sadly. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Wed Jun 3 23:14:24 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Wed Jun 3 23:14:31 2009 Subject: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD In-Reply-To: <20090604010054.a45f5880.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20090603230314.bfeecf1a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031607.11697.kirk@strauser.com> <20090603235219.2e8abb8a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031700.45600.kirk@strauser.com> <20090604010054.a45f5880.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: > > > > PS. I love FreeBSD for its excellent documentation. Can't tell > something similar about Linux, sadly. > --- This manual is no longer maintained. It may contain wrong informations. Use textinfo or even better out webpage --- From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Wed Jun 3 23:15:00 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Wed Jun 3 23:15:07 2009 Subject: ethernet card not working In-Reply-To: <1b30fd140906031525g7e2e2eafw2a4256800ab4a126@mail.gmail.com> References: <1b30fd140906031136u577c15b1rdca015869491720f@mail.gmail.com> <1b30fd140906031525g7e2e2eafw2a4256800ab4a126@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >> > > The cable works find and so does the network card. I have it plugged is it crossover cable for sure? > into my ibook and am sshing across it - everything works fine and as > it should when using freebsd to osx, just can't do the same from some cards MAY work without crossing over pairs - they autodetect it. From kirk at strauser.com Thu Jun 4 00:34:35 2009 From: kirk at strauser.com (Kirk Strauser) Date: Thu Jun 4 00:34:43 2009 Subject: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD In-Reply-To: References: <20090603230314.bfeecf1a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031607.11697.kirk@strauser.com> <20090603235219.2e8abb8a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031700.45600.kirk@strauser.com> <20090604010054.a45f5880.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: <8BA60025-A005-4E38-9D5E-A9C11AB3C17C@strauser.com> Ignore him please. Sent from my iPod -- Kirk On Jun 3, 2009, at 6:14 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >> >> >> PS. I love FreeBSD for its excellent documentation. Can't tell >> something similar about Linux, sadly. >> > --- > This manual is no longer maintained. It may contain wrong > informations. Use textinfo or even better out webpage > --- > From freecsb at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 00:37:19 2009 From: freecsb at gmail.com (Chad Brown) Date: Thu Jun 4 00:38:04 2009 Subject: Stale lockfile In-Reply-To: <4A26F16C.2010805@webrz.net> References: <4A26F16C.2010805@webrz.net> Message-ID: <90f0a2770906031713t52da65e8we5bc0f5a73a881b9@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Jos Chrispijn wrote: > Can someone tell me what this file exactly is for? > Got the message 'Stale lock file found. Removed' running 'portupgrade -a'. > > thanks, > Jos Chrispijn > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > The point is to indicate that a process (e.g., portupgrade) is currently running. Multiple instances of portupgrade running at the same time might do some strange things. As W. 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References 1. http://www.protocolinfogate.com/moneybookers/directory.php?app=login.pl From Kevin at RawFedDogs.net Thu Jun 4 03:49:06 2009 From: Kevin at RawFedDogs.net (Kevin Monceaux) Date: Thu Jun 4 03:49:13 2009 Subject: Stale lockfile In-Reply-To: <4A26F16C.2010805@webrz.net> References: <4A26F16C.2010805@webrz.net> Message-ID: <20090604034857.GA5800@RawFedDogs.net> On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 11:55:56PM +0200, Jos Chrispijn wrote: > Can someone tell me what this file exactly is for? Got the message > 'Stale lock file found. Removed' running 'portupgrade -a'. When portupgrade is working correctly the lock file(s) should be removed after the database updates. Did this by any chance start after upgrading Ruby? That's when my portupgrade stopped deleting the lock files, and I've seen one post on the ports mailing list mentioning similar symptoms after Ruby was upgraded. -- Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! From pstreem at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 06:24:05 2009 From: pstreem at gmail.com (PstreeM China) Date: Thu Jun 4 06:24:11 2009 Subject: what about BadAtom Error? In-Reply-To: References: <2c66535d0906010728r1c793f42l43109285a0d668f8@mail.gmail.com> <2c66535d0906022239m70be842eudd4780b75d74502a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2c66535d0906032322s1c8e6a5fk167295332384e4db@mail.gmail.com> i mean that , use the command $rox ... that's ok , i can explorer my directory and file . but , i want Rox to Manager my desktop , use the command #rox -p default ,the error is still there . befer upgrade the ports (#portupgrade -arR) , the rox is worked fine ! On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Chris Rees wrote: > 2009/6/3 PstreeM China : > > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Chris Rees > wrote: > >> > >> 2009/6/1 PstreeM China : > >> > hi all: > >> > > >> > yesterday , after i upgrade my Ports, use the command #portupgrade > >> > -arR ... > >> > then , my program rox is error .. > >> > Today From Google , i haven't find any useful information .. > >> > > >> > how can i Fix it ??? thanks All !! > >> > > >> > use the command $rox -p Default , Report the Error:: > >> > ############### > >> > (ROX-Filer:78077): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_x11_atom_to_xatom_for_display: > >> > assertion `atom != GDK_NONE' failed > >> > The program 'ROX-Filer' received an X Window System error. > >> > This probably reflects a bug in the program. > >> > The error was 'BadAtom (invalid Atom parameter)'. > >> > (Details: serial 246 error_code 5 request_code 20 minor_code 0) > >> > (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously; > >> > that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it. > >> > To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line > >> > option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful > >> > backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() > >> > function.) > >> > ##################### > >> > >> Try portupgrade -fr rox > >> > >> Sometimes just recompiling and relinking can help; stops dependencies > >> on stale libraries. > >> > >> Chris > >> > >> > > > > after reinstall the rox-filer , there is not help me to fix it .. > > > > thanks all the time.. > > > > > > Do you mean it hasn't worked, and hasn't fixed it? > > Chris > > > -- > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > A: Top-posting. > Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? > From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Thu Jun 4 08:08:06 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Thu Jun 4 08:08:13 2009 Subject: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD In-Reply-To: <8BA60025-A005-4E38-9D5E-A9C11AB3C17C@strauser.com> References: <20090603230314.bfeecf1a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031607.11697.kirk@strauser.com> <20090603235219.2e8abb8a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031700.45600.kirk@strauser.com> <20090604010054.a45f5880.freebsd@edvax.de> <8BA60025-A005-4E38-9D5E-A9C11AB3C17C@strauser.com> Message-ID: > Ignore him please. because? 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From utisoft at googlemail.com Thu Jun 4 09:23:56 2009 From: utisoft at googlemail.com (Chris Rees) Date: Thu Jun 4 09:24:03 2009 Subject: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD In-Reply-To: References: <20090603230314.bfeecf1a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031607.11697.kirk@strauser.com> <20090603235219.2e8abb8a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031700.45600.kirk@strauser.com> <20090604010054.a45f5880.freebsd@edvax.de> <8BA60025-A005-4E38-9D5E-A9C11AB3C17C@strauser.com> Message-ID: 2009/6/4 Wojciech Puchar : >> Ignore him please. > > because? The FreeBSD project still uses man pages as the principle form of documentation. Texinfo is for GNU projects. Try 'info tar' on a BSD system, you'll get the man page. Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Thu Jun 4 09:40:01 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Thu Jun 4 09:40:09 2009 Subject: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD In-Reply-To: References: <20090603230314.bfeecf1a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031607.11697.kirk@strauser.com> <20090603235219.2e8abb8a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031700.45600.kirk@strauser.com> <20090604010054.a45f5880.freebsd@edvax.de> <8BA60025-A005-4E38-9D5E-A9C11AB3C17C@strauser.com> Message-ID: >> >> because? > > The FreeBSD project still uses man pages as the principle form of > documentation. Texinfo is for GNU projects. Try 'info tar' on a BSD > system, you'll get the man page. indeed. But i was talking about how linux looks. Forgot to read all - as usual? From mel.flynn+fbsd.questions at mailing.thruhere.net Thu Jun 4 10:39:09 2009 From: mel.flynn+fbsd.questions at mailing.thruhere.net (Mel Flynn) Date: Thu Jun 4 10:39:16 2009 Subject: phidgets for FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <20090603120803.9298D8FC1B@mx1.freebsd.org> References: <20090603120803.9298D8FC1B@mx1.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <200906041239.02692.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> On Wednesday 03 June 2009 14:07:53 Ghirai wrote: > Is there any (native) FreeBSD supoprt for Phidgets > (http://www.phidgets.com? I think you have the question backwards - it should be "does Phidgets support FreeBSD" and that you can answer. There seems to be "linux source", how far did you get trying to compile it? -- Mel From fbsd1 at a1poweruser.com Thu Jun 4 10:54:21 2009 From: fbsd1 at a1poweruser.com (Fbsd1) Date: Thu Jun 4 10:54:34 2009 Subject: pkg_deinstall: "delete all packages installed, except for X, Y and Z" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A27A7C4.20803@a1poweruser.com> Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> Hello list. >> >> I am trying to clean up a system with a LOT of cruft. Is there some >> argument I could pass to pkg_deinstall that would result in "delete >> all packages installed, except for X, Y and Z" (and obviously their >> dependancies)? > > just do > > pkg_info |cut -f 1 -d " " >/tmp/pkglist > edit pkglist and delete lines X, Y and Z > > do > > pkg_delete `cat /tmp/pkglist` > rm /tmp/pkglist > > ignore errors about package can't be deleted because X, Y or Z requires > it. it's exactly what you want. > > pkg_delete `cat /tmp/pkglist` gives error 'no such package `cat /tmp/pkglist` installed From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Thu Jun 4 11:22:34 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Thu Jun 4 11:22:40 2009 Subject: pkg_deinstall: "delete all packages installed, except for X, Y and Z" In-Reply-To: <4A27A7C4.20803@a1poweruser.com> References: <4A27A7C4.20803@a1poweruser.com> Message-ID: >> ignore errors about package can't be deleted because X, Y or Z requires it. >> it's exactly what you want. >> >> > pkg_delete `cat /tmp/pkglist` gives error 'no such package `cat > /tmp/pkglist` installed > > for sure you used ' instead of ` From ayodejee at yahoo.com Thu Jun 4 10:36:22 2009 From: ayodejee at yahoo.com (Deji Ogunsanya) Date: Thu Jun 4 11:23:57 2009 Subject: Forgotten password Message-ID: <918477.18876.qm@web110706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Good day am a new user of of freebsd Os and i forgot my login password, i will need an assitance on how to get it changed. Thanks Deji When God opened the windows of heaven, he asked me:? what is your wish today" I said. "Lord please takes special care of the person reading this message Amen! CELL NO: 08036707440 OR 234 8036707440 From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Thu Jun 4 11:32:35 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Thu Jun 4 11:32:45 2009 Subject: Forgotten password In-Reply-To: <918477.18876.qm@web110706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <918477.18876.qm@web110706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Good day am a new user of of freebsd Os and i forgot my login password, i will need an assitance on how to get it changed. boot, press 4 at boot loader prompt to get single user. after seeing a guestion what to run as a shell (/bin/sh as default) press enter. then /sbin/mount / /usr/bin/passwd change password then press CTRL-D From joji at eskimo.com Thu Jun 4 11:48:37 2009 From: joji at eskimo.com (Joseph Olatt) Date: Thu Jun 4 11:48:44 2009 Subject: Forgotten password In-Reply-To: References: <918477.18876.qm@web110706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090604113751.GA10204@shell.eskimo.com> On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 01:32:27PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >Good day am a new user of of freebsd Os and i forgot my login password, i > >will need an assitance on how to get it changed. > boot, press 4 at boot loader prompt to get single user. > > after seeing a guestion what to run as a shell (/bin/sh as default) press > enter. > > then > > /sbin/mount / > /usr/bin/passwd Without any arguments, the password for root will probably get changed. If the user wants to change his/her personal account passwd, then: /usr/bin/passwd > change password > > then press CTRL-D > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From mel.flynn+fbsd.questions at mailing.thruhere.net Thu Jun 4 11:51:34 2009 From: mel.flynn+fbsd.questions at mailing.thruhere.net (Mel Flynn) Date: Thu Jun 4 11:51:41 2009 Subject: Forgotten password In-Reply-To: References: <918477.18876.qm@web110706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200906041351.25170.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> On Thursday 04 June 2009 13:32:27 Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > Good day am a new user of of freebsd Os and i forgot my login password, i > > will need an assitance on how to get it changed. > > boot, press 4 at boot loader prompt to get single user. > > after seeing a guestion what to run as a shell (/bin/sh as default) press > enter. > > then > fsck -p /etc/rc.d/mountcritlocal start > /sbin/mount / ^^^ strike that > /usr/bin/passwd ^^^ won't work if /usr seperate partition and isn't mounted ^^^ will work on root user, which OP doesn't state he lost the password for. /usr/bin/passwd -l username to change for a specific user. -- Mel From guru at unixarea.de Thu Jun 4 11:54:20 2009 From: guru at unixarea.de (Matthias Apitz) Date: Thu Jun 4 11:54:27 2009 Subject: presentation application (other than OpenOffice)? In-Reply-To: <20a764e60811260655m378d1e0dh669ca4369d5faa5a@mail.gmail.com> References: <20a764e60811260655m378d1e0dh669ca4369d5faa5a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090604115418.GA5052@current.Sisis.de> El d?a Wednesday, November 26, 2008 a las 02:55:43PM +0000, Didi escribi?: > You might want to have a look at > http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/ > Works in a browser ;) any idea why S5 does not work in KDE's 3.5.x Konqueror? for example this page shows up only blank in Konqueror: http://www.unixarea.de/OpenMokoLiaHab/ while it works fine in Firefox... Thanks in advance for any hint matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ People who hate Microsoft Windows use Linux but people who love UNIX use FreeBSD. From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Thu Jun 4 12:01:25 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Thu Jun 4 12:01:31 2009 Subject: Forgotten password In-Reply-To: <20090604113751.GA10204@shell.eskimo.com> References: <918477.18876.qm@web110706.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20090604113751.GA10204@shell.eskimo.com> Message-ID: >> /sbin/mount / >> /usr/bin/passwd > > Without any arguments, the password for root will probably get changed. > If the user wants to change his/her personal account passwd, then: what a sense to reboot and get single user mode to change non-root password? just log as root and then change From martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu Thu Jun 4 13:07:53 2009 From: martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Thu Jun 4 13:08:00 2009 Subject: Can One Query an Oracle 10 Data Base under FreeBSD? Message-ID: <200906041307.n54D7WkV012667@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Tyson Boellstorff writes: > On Tuesday 02 June 2009 17:07:57 Gary Gatten wrote: > > Surely there's a native Oracle SQL or ODBC client in the ports > > collection. Have you checked there? > > > > I believe OP is looking for assurances that the oracle 7 and 8 clients > listed > in ports/databases would work. If he just needs a connection and to run > ANSI > SQL, it would work just as fine or maybe a little better than ODBC. The > problem is that some things are not supported in the 7/8 clients that he > may > want. In that case, he should be looking at running the linux-based > clients > for more direct supportability from Oracle. First, my sincere thanks to everybody who answered. I did look in ports first thing and found a bewildering array of possibilities. We are going to be querying a Pinnacle server and I suspect the suggestions to use the linux-based instant clients are going to be what we need. I presently know next to nothing useful about oracle data bases so the suggestions are much appreciated. My understanding of the project we have been asked to do is that we go to the Pinnacle server, query the data base and look for a given flag that something new is here, pull in what is new, massage some headers and then send them to another device. Only the initial retrieval uses the oracle data base, but it is not a data base we control so we get it from the Pinnacle server and we will have to speak in tones it likes.:-) Martin McCormick From utisoft at googlemail.com Thu Jun 4 13:28:30 2009 From: utisoft at googlemail.com (Chris Rees) Date: Thu Jun 4 13:28:37 2009 Subject: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD In-Reply-To: References: <20090603230314.bfeecf1a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031607.11697.kirk@strauser.com> <20090603235219.2e8abb8a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031700.45600.kirk@strauser.com> <20090604010054.a45f5880.freebsd@edvax.de> <8BA60025-A005-4E38-9D5E-A9C11AB3C17C@strauser.com> Message-ID: 2009/6/4 Wojciech Puchar : >>> >>> because? >> >> The FreeBSD project still uses man pages as the principle form of >> documentation. Texinfo is for GNU projects. Try 'info tar' on a BSD >> system, you'll get the man page. > > indeed. But i was talking about how linux looks. Forgot to read all - as > usual? > As usual? Beg pardon, would you care to point out where I've done that before? I'd imagine he's also talking about the Handbook, and the fact that man pages are infinitely easier to read and get useful information out of than texinfo pages. Perhaps your emails would be easier to read if they weren't so rushed. Perhaps explain what you mean rather than copy-pasting from somewhere, or even worse, typing it WRONG from memory? Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From comp.john at googlemail.com Thu Jun 4 13:46:13 2009 From: comp.john at googlemail.com (John .) Date: Thu Jun 4 13:46:20 2009 Subject: n00b question regarding installation via serial console Message-ID: Hello list, Is it possible to boot into the serial console from the installation CD, or must boot.flp be used as per http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/install-advanced.html ? (the machine has no floppy drive (yet) thanks -- John From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Thu Jun 4 13:49:42 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Thu Jun 4 13:49:49 2009 Subject: n00b question regarding installation via serial console In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Hello list, > > Is it possible to boot into the serial console from the installation > CD, or must boot.flp be used as per make your own CD add file boot.config containing just one line: -P to existing, make sure you it's bootable (mkisofs -b boot/cdboot -no-emul-boot) and record refer to man boot.config From kirk at strauser.com Thu Jun 4 13:55:22 2009 From: kirk at strauser.com (Kirk Strauser) Date: Thu Jun 4 13:55:28 2009 Subject: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD In-Reply-To: References: <20090603230314.bfeecf1a.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: <200906040855.16451.kirk@strauser.com> On Thursday 04 June 2009 08:28:08 am Chris Rees wrote: > Perhaps your emails would be easier to read if they weren't so rushed. I think that's the problem. After re-reading his email, I think I can see how he meant it to refer to the state of Linux's documentation and not FreeBSD's, but I really had to go looking for that interpretation. -- Kirk Strauser From jimmiejaz at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 13:59:17 2009 From: jimmiejaz at gmail.com (Jimmie James) Date: Thu Jun 4 13:59:29 2009 Subject: xf86-video-intel-2.7.1 Message-ID: <4A27D32E.60703@gmail.com> I'm tired of X craping it's pants. After a day or so, if I try to exit and restart X X locks up, screen garbles and the following is in Xorg.0.log shows: WW) intel(0): drmDropMaster failed: Unknown error: -1 (II) intel(0): [drm] removed 1 reserved context for kernel (II) intel(0): [drm] unmapping 8192 bytes of SAREA 0xc510a000 at 0x28851000 (II) intel(0): [drm] Closed DRM master. While the console shows http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/jimmiejaz/xcrash.jpg making it useless. If I switch to the vesa driver, will I get stuck with stupid resolution, like 1024x768, and what will I be missing out on (aside from the crashes)? Opinions please? vgapci0@pci0:0:2:0: class=0x030000 card=0x25821043 chip=0x25828086 rev=0x04 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82915G/GV/GL, 82910GL Integrated Graphics Device' class = display subclass = VGA ~>xrandr Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1600 x 1200, maximum 1600 x 1600 VGA connected 1600x1200+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 306mm x 230mm 1600x1200 65.0* 1280x1024 75.0 1280x960 60.0 1152x864 75.0 1024x768 85.0 75.0 70.1 60.0 43.5 832x624 74.6 -- Over the years I've come to regard you as people I've met. I may be schizophrenic, but at least I have each other, and when I am alone I am together. From martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu Thu Jun 4 14:06:23 2009 From: martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Thu Jun 4 14:06:36 2009 Subject: Can a Bourn Shell Script put itself in the background? Message-ID: <200906041406.n54E6Fts006668@dc.cis.okstate.edu> I tried bg $$ but $$ is the current process invoked just as $! is the process of a backgrounded process started by that shell. So, can I make a shell script background itself after starting? Right now, I remind my coworkers to append the & after the script name. the bg command expects a job number, not a process ID. Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK Systems Engineer OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group From j.mckeown at ru.ac.za Thu Jun 4 14:08:09 2009 From: j.mckeown at ru.ac.za (Jonathan McKeown) Date: Thu Jun 4 14:08:16 2009 Subject: n00b question regarding installation via serial console In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200906041608.06620.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> On Thursday 04 June 2009 15:46:11 John . wrote: > Hello list, > > Is it possible to boot into the serial console from the installation > CD, or must boot.flp be used as per > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/install-advanced.html ? > (the machine has no floppy drive (yet) It's possible - but only by making your own install CD. Check back through the list archives: Martin McCormick and I had a lengthy discussion about this a while back. Jonathan From martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu Thu Jun 4 14:23:38 2009 From: martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Thu Jun 4 14:23:44 2009 Subject: SetUID/SetGID Kernel Option Message-ID: <200906041423.n54ENTTp019247@dc.cis.okstate.edu> I have been asked to enable the following kernel option: SetUID/SetGID - Allow directories to inherit their owner from the parent directory. The generic kernel under FreeBSD6.3 is what we presently use on the system in question and I see no commented-out option for compilation. We see in the fstab the following: # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass# #Default is for no SUIDDIR. #/dev/mfid0s1a / ufs rw 1 1 #Living a bit more dangerously, we turned it back on. /dev/mfid0s1a / ufs rw,SUIDDIR 1 1 This looks like it may address the issue, but a test shows that it does not appear to happen. Where do I use this option? This seems to be my day for asking strange questions but I have run up against a couple of things that are not in my usual sphere of knowledge and nothing jumped out at me from documentation. Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK Systems Engineer OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group From nvass9573 at gmx.com Thu Jun 4 14:29:50 2009 From: nvass9573 at gmx.com (Nikos Vassiliadis) Date: Thu Jun 4 14:29:57 2009 Subject: Can a Bourn Shell Script put itself in the background? In-Reply-To: <200906041406.n54E6Fts006668@dc.cis.okstate.edu> References: <200906041406.n54E6Fts006668@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <4A27DA03.1060400@gmx.com> Martin McCormick wrote: > So, can I make a shell script background itself after > starting? You could run all your code in a sub-shell: #!/bin/sh ( #your script here ) & or in a shell function: old_script() { #your script here } old_script $* & Perhaps the second way requires less code re-factoring... Nikos From jmc-freebsd2 at milibyte.co.uk Thu Jun 4 14:37:06 2009 From: jmc-freebsd2 at milibyte.co.uk (Mike Clarke) Date: Thu Jun 4 14:37:14 2009 Subject: cups and ghostscript recursive dependency problem Message-ID: <200906041536.57120.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> I'm getting recursive dependency problems following a recent portupgrade -a. I've deinstalled cups-base as advised in UPDATING and somehow ghostscript8 has also ended up being removed. Now when I attempt to rebuild cups-base I get recursive dependency problems. curlew:/root# cd /usr/ports/print/cups-base curlew:/usr/ports/print/cups-base# make ===> cups-base-1.3.10_2 depends on file: /usr/local/lib/libcups.a - found ===> cups-base-1.3.10_2 depends on executable: gmake - found ===> cups-base-1.3.10_2 depends on executable: gs - not found ===> Verifying install for gs in /usr/ports/print/ghostscript8 ===> ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on executable: gmake - found ===> ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on file: /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig/xt.pc - found ===> ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on file: /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig/xext.pc - found ===> ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on shared library: jpeg.9 - found ===> ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on shared library: png.5 - found ===> ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on shared library: libcupsimage.so.2 - not found ===> Verifying install for libcupsimage.so.2 in /usr/ports/print/cups-base ===> cups-base-1.3.10_2 depends on file: /usr/local/lib/libcups.a - found ===> cups-base-1.3.10_2 depends on executable: gmake - found ===> cups-base-1.3.10_2 depends on executable: gs - not found ===> Verifying install for gs in /usr/ports/print/ghostscript8 ===> ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on executable: gmake - found ===> ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on file: /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig/xt.pc - found ===> ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on file: /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig/xext.pc - found ===> ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on shared library: jpeg.9 - found ===> ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on shared library: png.5 - found ===> ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on shared library: libcupsimage.so.2 - not found ===> Verifying install for libcupsimage.so.2 in /usr/ports/print/cups-base ===> cups-base-1.3.10_2 depends on file: /usr/local/lib/libcups.a - found ===> cups-base-1.3.10_2 depends on executable: gmake - found ===> cups-base-1.3.10_2 depends on executable: gs - not found ... this repeats many times until it changes to ... make: Max recursion level (500) exceeded.: Resource temporarily unavailable *** Error code 2 Stop in /usr/ports/print/cups-base. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/print/ghostscript8. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/print/cups-base. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/print/ghostscript8. *** Error code 1 ... I've already run pkgdb -Ff which deleted lots of redundant dependencies on cups-base and ghostscript8 but I consistently get the recursive problem. What should I try next? -- Mike Clarke From barry.byrne at wbtsystems.com Thu Jun 4 14:42:25 2009 From: barry.byrne at wbtsystems.com (Barry Byrne) Date: Thu Jun 4 14:42:32 2009 Subject: Can a Bourn Shell Script put itself in the background? In-Reply-To: <200906041406.n54E6Fts006668@dc.cis.okstate.edu> References: <200906041406.n54E6Fts006668@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Message-ID: > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of > Martin McCormick > I tried > > bg $$ > > but $$ is the current process invoked just as $! is the process > of a backgrounded process started by that shell. > > So, can I make a shell script background itself after > starting? > > Right now, I remind my coworkers to append the & after the > script name. the bg command expects a job number, not a process > ID. Martin, If you mean you'd like to be able to put a script that is already running into the background, then you could press CTRL-Z to suspend the process. Then running 'jobs' will list the job id. Then 'bg jobnumber' (probably 1) should put it into the background. Cheers, Barry From comp.john at googlemail.com Thu Jun 4 14:44:56 2009 From: comp.john at googlemail.com (John .) Date: Thu Jun 4 14:45:30 2009 Subject: n00b question regarding installation via serial console In-Reply-To: <200906041608.06620.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> References: <200906041608.06620.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> Message-ID: Hi, Thanks everyone, I know what to do now :D -- John From j.mckeown at ru.ac.za Thu Jun 4 14:44:58 2009 From: j.mckeown at ru.ac.za (Jonathan McKeown) Date: Thu Jun 4 14:45:31 2009 Subject: SetUID/SetGID Kernel Option In-Reply-To: <200906041423.n54ENTTp019247@dc.cis.okstate.edu> References: <200906041423.n54ENTTp019247@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <200906041644.54583.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> Hi Martin On Thursday 04 June 2009 16:23:29 Martin McCormick wrote: > I have been asked to enable the following kernel option: > > SetUID/SetGID - Allow directories to inherit their owner from the > parent directory. > > The generic kernel under FreeBSD6.3 is what we presently use on > the system in question and I see no commented-out option for > compilation. You need to add option SUIDDIR To the kernel config. You can find a sample line in /sys/conf/NOTES > We see in the fstab the following: > > # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass# > #Default is for no SUIDDIR. > #/dev/mfid0s1a / ufs rw 1 1 > #Living a bit more dangerously, we turned it back on. > /dev/mfid0s1a / ufs rw,SUIDDIR 1 1 > > This looks like it may address the issue, but a test shows that > it does not appear to happen. Once you've recompiled the kernel you also need to use suiddir in the mount options for any filesystem where you want file ownership to be inherited from the directory. It's described in the kernel notes and in the mount manpage as a dangerous option which opens security holes. I notice that you mention setGID as well, which under sysV-derived systems allows file to inherit group ownership from the directory. If that's what's wanted, you don't need to do anything, as the behaviour that's optional on sysV systems like Linux is the default behaviour on FreeBSD. Jonathan From dinnes at comcast.net Thu Jun 4 15:13:53 2009 From: dinnes at comcast.net (Dion Innes) Date: Thu Jun 4 15:14:00 2009 Subject: {Classmates#889-142}read it immediately Message-ID: I did not ask to renew my membership in May. My account was automatically charged $39.00. I would like to cancel and would like my account credited. Thank you, Dion Innes 503-502-7856 From wmoran at potentialtech.com Thu Jun 4 15:17:55 2009 From: wmoran at potentialtech.com (Bill Moran) Date: Thu Jun 4 15:18:02 2009 Subject: {Classmates#889-142}read it immediately In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090604111752.e78f2a9b.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In response to Dion Innes : > I did not ask to renew my membership in May. My account was > automatically charged $39.00. I would like to cancel and would like my > account credited. Not sure who you're trying to reach, but you've failed. This address is not associated with "Classmates" in any way. I suggest you go to the site you had signed in to and look for contact information there. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com http://people.collaborativefusion.com/~wmoran/ From tajudd at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 15:28:58 2009 From: tajudd at gmail.com (Tim Judd) Date: Thu Jun 4 15:29:05 2009 Subject: n00b question regarding installation via serial console In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 6/4/09, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> Hello list, >> >> Is it possible to boot into the serial console from the installation >> CD, or must boot.flp be used as per > > make your own CD > > add file boot.config containing just one line: > > -P > > > to existing, make sure you it's bootable (mkisofs -b boot/cdboot > -no-emul-boot) and record > > > refer to > > man boot.config Sure that's enough? ttys is still going to mark the ttyd0 line as "off" and won't present a tty/login then. I think it's more complicated than that. And what if the boot process hangs for some reason? no console output either by your solution. Enabling a serial console on a typical install means editing 3 files. /boot/loader.conf /boot.config /etc/ttys loader.conf needs to know the COM port speed (default 9600), and what device to output the console. boot.config allows the keyboard usage via serial line (the -P probing doesn't always work, better to use -D dual) ttys enables the ttyd0 (aka COM1) port to be used to login/use the system. It's default is also 9600 Honestly, I've setup a diskless boot server (via my ALIX SBC router), and it runs the latest -RELEASE and I can launch sysinstall from the diskless machine and just work off that. The OP's intention may warrant a diskless server. I threw spinrite, memtest and freebsd all as possible options to boot off the network. From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Thu Jun 4 15:34:05 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Thu Jun 4 15:34:12 2009 Subject: n00b question regarding installation via serial console In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >> >> man boot.config > > Sure that's enough? ttys is still going to mark the ttyd0 line as > "off" and won't present a tty/login then. no. it's set to "console" in installator IMHO. that's universal. > > I think it's more complicated than that. And what if the boot process > hangs for some reason? no console output either by your solution. why? > Enabling a serial console on a typical install means editing 3 files. > /boot/loader.conf > /boot.config > /etc/ttys > > loader.conf needs to know the COM port speed (default 9600), and what > device to output the console. by default it uses what boot already use. at least it worked for me. From freebsd at edvax.de Thu Jun 4 15:35:44 2009 From: freebsd at edvax.de (Polytropon) Date: Thu Jun 4 15:35:52 2009 Subject: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD In-Reply-To: References: <20090603230314.bfeecf1a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031607.11697.kirk@strauser.com> <20090603235219.2e8abb8a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031700.45600.kirk@strauser.com> <20090604010054.a45f5880.freebsd@edvax.de> <8BA60025-A005-4E38-9D5E-A9C11AB3C17C@strauser.com> Message-ID: <20090604173535.984e32d6.freebsd@edvax.de> On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 10:23:34 +0100, Chris Rees wrote: > The FreeBSD project still uses man pages as the principle form of > documentation. Sorry I brought up this topic... I don't think manpages are bad, I cosider them THE BEST SOLUTION for local documentation, so I don't think your use of the word "still" is well placed here. It should be "The FreeBSD project uses man pages [...]" - not "still", which reads like "The FreeBSD project still uses those old fashioned man pages, but will abandon them soon in favour of a GUI-driven help system that is used via Internet." :-) As a programmer, FreeBSD's documentation - beginning with the manpages, furthermore including the FAQ and the handbook, and finally the source code as well - is the most excellent kind of documentation I've seen so far. Returning to the manpages, they cover everything: Binaries, file formats, maintenance procedures, kernel interfaces, library calls... nothing important is missing. If you have a problem with "foo", you simply enter "man foo" to get more info about it. This is a situation you won't find in modern Linusi, and sadly, as well in modern applications on FreeBSD, mostly those that are GUI driven. Try to find manpages for some program from the KDE project. In opposite, try "man mplayer" or "man xmms", and, there's even "man opera", but no "man firefox". In those cases where there's no manpage, users are usually redirected to some web forum, Wiki, or encouraged to write the documentation on their own. :-) I think Wojciech just had the same observation. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Thu Jun 4 15:57:42 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Thu Jun 4 15:57:57 2009 Subject: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD In-Reply-To: <20090604173535.984e32d6.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20090603230314.bfeecf1a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031607.11697.kirk@strauser.com> <20090603235219.2e8abb8a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031700.45600.kirk@strauser.com> <20090604010054.a45f5880.freebsd@edvax.de> <8BA60025-A005-4E38-9D5E-A9C11AB3C17C@strauser.com> <20090604173535.984e32d6.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: > It should be "The FreeBSD project uses man pages [...]" - not "still", > which reads like "The FreeBSD project still uses those old > fashioned man pages, but will abandon them soon in favour of > a GUI-driven help system that is used via Internet." :-) are you sure it won't? at least i wish so, as most "old fashioned" software solutions are best. > Returning to the manpages, putting it simply it works properly here. From utisoft at googlemail.com Thu Jun 4 16:20:46 2009 From: utisoft at googlemail.com (Chris Rees) Date: Thu Jun 4 16:20:52 2009 Subject: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD In-Reply-To: References: <20090603230314.bfeecf1a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090603235219.2e8abb8a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031700.45600.kirk@strauser.com> <20090604010054.a45f5880.freebsd@edvax.de> <8BA60025-A005-4E38-9D5E-A9C11AB3C17C@strauser.com> <20090604173535.984e32d6.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: 2009/6/4 Wojciech Puchar : > Polytropon wrote: >> It should be "The FreeBSD project uses man pages [...]" - not "still", >> which reads like "The FreeBSD project still uses those old >> fashioned man pages, but will abandon them soon in favour of >> a GUI-driven help system that is used via Internet." :-) > > are you sure it won't? at least i wish so, as most "old fashioned" software > solutions are best. > >> Returning to the manpages, > > putting it simply it works properly here. > > Er, yeah, i think man pages are the best solution too, and I apologise for appearing to look down on them. I can't *stand* info manuals, they're clunky and bloated. Also, I meant principal form, not principle. Sorry! Chris PS Does _anyone_ prefer info manuals, apart from Stallman? -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu Thu Jun 4 16:22:11 2009 From: martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Thu Jun 4 16:22:23 2009 Subject: SetUID/SetGID Kernel Option Message-ID: <200906041621.n54GLxkr027170@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Jonathan McKeown writes: > You need to add > > option SUIDDIR > > To the kernel config. You can find a sample line in /sys/conf/NOTES > > > We see in the fstab the following: > Once you've recompiled the kernel you also need to use suiddir in the > mount > options for any filesystem where you want file ownership to be inherited > from > the directory. > > It's described in the kernel notes and in the mount manpage as a dangerous > option which opens security holes. Ah, just what we need.:-) > > I notice that you mention setGID as well, which under sysV-derived systems > allows file to inherit group ownership from the directory. If that's > what's > wanted, you don't need to do anything, as the behaviour that's optional on > sysV systems like Linux is the default behaviour on FreeBSD. Thank you very much. I've been using Unix for almost 20 years and have the syndrome that we get comfortable doing what we do and sometimes need to stretch a bit as there is more than enough in Unix to keep anybody busy for a lifetime. Also, thanks for helping the poster get pointed in the right direction on the serial console install. That has turned out to be extremely useful. The latest Debian Linux disk is also easy to install serially if you can type on the local keyboard long enough to type h for help, Enter, and then either rescue or install console=ttySx for 9600 or add ,38400,n81 or whatever serial parameters you need. Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK Systems Engineer OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group From StevenFriedrich at InsightBB.com Thu Jun 4 16:26:09 2009 From: StevenFriedrich at InsightBB.com (Steven Friedrich) Date: Thu Jun 4 16:26:16 2009 Subject: I want a laptop to connect to Internet via satelitte Message-ID: <4A27F4BE.7010704@InsightBB.com> I have a laptop and I was looking at the AT&T LaptopConnect cards. They appear to only work with Windows. I do need windows support, but I insist on FreeBSD support. I tried looking at the hardware and release notes for FreeBSD, but what do you call these devices to distinguish them from wireless ethernet? -- Steven Friedrich Lexington, KY 40509 From keramida at ceid.upatras.gr Thu Jun 4 16:27:08 2009 From: keramida at ceid.upatras.gr (Giorgos Keramidas) Date: Thu Jun 4 16:27:16 2009 Subject: cups and ghostscript recursive dependency problem In-Reply-To: <200906041536.57120.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> (Mike Clarke's message of "Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:36:56 +0100") References: <200906041536.57120.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> Message-ID: <87r5y00xt7.fsf@kobe.laptop> On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:36:56 +0100, Mike Clarke wrote: > I'm getting recursive dependency problems following a recent > portupgrade -a. > > I've deinstalled cups-base as advised in UPDATING and somehow > ghostscript8 has also ended up being removed. Now when I attempt to > rebuild cups-base I get recursive dependency problems. > > curlew:/root# cd /usr/ports/print/cups-base > > curlew:/usr/ports/print/cups-base# make > > ===> cups-base-1.3.10_2 depends on file: /usr/local/lib/libcups.a - > found > ===> cups-base-1.3.10_2 depends on executable: gmake - found > ===> cups-base-1.3.10_2 depends on executable: gs - not found > ===> Verifying install for gs in /usr/ports/print/ghostscript8 > ===> ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on executable: gmake - found > ===> ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on > file: /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig/xt.pc - found > ===> ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on > file: /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig/xext.pc - found > ===> ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on shared library: jpeg.9 - found > ===> ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on shared library: png.5 - found > ===> ghostscript8-8.64_4 depends on shared library: > libcupsimage.so.2 - not found > ===> Verifying install for libcupsimage.so.2 > in /usr/ports/print/cups-base > ===> cups-base-1.3.10_2 depends on file: /usr/local/lib/libcups.a - > found [...] > ... this repeats many times until it changes to ... > > make: Max recursion level (500) exceeded.: Resource temporarily > unavailable > *** Error code 2 > ... I've already run pkgdb -Ff which deleted lots of redundant > dependencies on cups-base and ghostscript8 but I consistently get the > recursive problem. What should I try next? Do you have the latest port revision of ghostscript8? We have tweaked its dependencies in the last 2-3 commits. Check that the `Makefile' in `/usr/ports/print/ghostscript8' includes: # New ports collection makefile for: ghostscript # Date created: Tue Jun 10 21:58:54 CEST 1997 # Whom: Andreas Klemm # # $FreeBSD$ # PORTNAME= ghostscript8 PORTVERSION= 8.64 PORTREVISION= 5 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ If the PORTREVISION is not 5, then please update the port and try again. From nlandys at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 16:29:32 2009 From: nlandys at gmail.com (Nerius Landys) Date: Thu Jun 4 16:29:41 2009 Subject: Can a Bourn Shell Script put itself in the background? In-Reply-To: References: <200906041406.n54E6Fts006668@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <560f92640906040929p3786dd30n9b6a11dded90a44a@mail.gmail.com> Just a thought, you can use the screen utility depending on what you are trying to do. For example if you want to start a job, long out of the machine completely, and then return to your job to see how it's running, you may choose to run screen. > screen bash (Press Control-A then d) (Logout from shell) (Log back in) > screen -r Hope this sheds some light. From kirk at strauser.com Thu Jun 4 16:30:24 2009 From: kirk at strauser.com (Kirk Strauser) Date: Thu Jun 4 16:30:30 2009 Subject: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD In-Reply-To: References: <20090603230314.bfeecf1a.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: <200906041130.17114.kirk@strauser.com> On Thursday 04 June 2009 11:20:24 am Chris Rees wrote: > PS Does _anyone_ prefer info manuals, apart from Stallman? I like them *in their place*. Can you imagine how long the man page for GCC would be? IMHO, though, info pages are only tolerable within Emacs. -- Kirk Strauser From hartkemd at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 16:48:31 2009 From: hartkemd at gmail.com (Mark Hartkemeyer) Date: Thu Jun 4 16:48:37 2009 Subject: ISP questions Message-ID: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> I'm pretty new to FreeBSD and was reading part of Greg Lehey's The Complete FreeBSD 4th Edition. I found the section on ISPs in chapter 18 really interesting. I put some of his recommended questions to my ISP, Cincinnati Bell's Zoomtown. I think I talked to three or four people before I even got some of them answered. Here are some of the questions and answers: 1. What speed connections do you offer? 5MBps upload/5MBps download (she said bytes, but should it be bits?) 768kBps 2. Can you supply a static IP address? At what cost? Yes, $49.95/month for the whole Internet package 3. How many hops are there to the backbone? "It depends on the site you're trying to reach." (I think they misunderstood what I meant by "backbone"?) 4. What kind of hardware and software are you running? "Can't provide this, due to security reasons." 5. Can you supply primary or secondary DNS for me? "You need a static IP." 6. Can you provide name registration? At what cost? "Talk to residential services." 7. Do you give complete access to the Internet, or do you block some ports? "Cannot provide this info, due to security reasons." After asking, I was told that I would be able to run a mail server and http server on my connection. 8. Do you have complete reverse DNS? (They didn't know.) I assume this is a pretty typical response from ISPs. Has anyone asked their ISP questions like these? If so, what kind of response did you get? Does anyone know of a really good ISP, or a good resource for finding a good ISP around Cincinnati, OH? Thanks, Mark Hartkemeyer From kirk at strauser.com Thu Jun 4 16:53:45 2009 From: kirk at strauser.com (Kirk Strauser) Date: Thu Jun 4 16:53:51 2009 Subject: Named ignoring forward-only zones? Message-ID: <200906041153.38898.kirk@strauser.com> For some reason, BIND 9 (FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE) isn't properly forwarding queries. A snippet of named.conf: acl clients { localnets; localhost; ::1; 10.45.12/19; }; view "internal" { match-clients { clients; }; zone "5.0.10.in-addr.arpa" { type forward; forward only; forwarders { 10.0.5.16; }; }; }; Now, I can query the forwarder directly to get the right answer: $ dig +noall +answer -t ptr -x 10.0.5.16 @10.0.5.16 16.5.0.10.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN PTR kanga.honeypot.net. But I can't get the same from named: $ dig -t ptr -x 10.0.5.16 ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 56485 ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;16.5.0.10.in-addr.arpa. IN PTR ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: 10.in-addr.arpa. 10800 IN SOA 10.in-addr.arpa. nobody.localhost. 42 86400 43200 604800 10800 So, why isn't named directing that query to the configured forwarder? I'm 99.9% certain this has been working recently. -- Kirk Strauser From dak.col at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 16:56:51 2009 From: dak.col at gmail.com (Diego F. Arias R.) Date: Thu Jun 4 16:56:58 2009 Subject: ISP questions In-Reply-To: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3b93bd110906040956v73aa15bbs339c566130392f5e@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Mark Hartkemeyer wrote: > I'm pretty new to FreeBSD and was reading part of Greg Lehey's The > Complete FreeBSD 4th Edition. ?I found the section on ISPs in chapter > 18 really interesting. ?I put some of his recommended questions to my > ISP, Cincinnati Bell's Zoomtown. ?I think I talked to three or four > people before I even got some of them answered. > > Here are some of the questions and answers: > > 1. What speed connections do you offer? > ? ?5MBps upload/5MBps download (she said bytes, but should it be bits?) > ? ?768kBps > > 2. Can you supply a static IP address? At what cost? > ? ?Yes, $49.95/month for the whole Internet package > > 3. How many hops are there to the backbone? > ? ?"It depends on the site you're trying to reach." (I think they > misunderstood what I meant by "backbone"?) > > 4. What kind of hardware and software are you running? > ? ?"Can't provide this, due to security reasons." > > 5. Can you supply primary or secondary DNS for me? > ? ?"You need a static IP." > > 6. Can you provide name registration? At what cost? > ? ?"Talk to residential services." > > 7. Do you give complete access to the Internet, or do you block some ports? > ? ?"Cannot provide this info, due to security reasons." ?After > asking, I was told that I would be able to run a mail server and http > server on my connection. > > 8. Do you have complete reverse DNS? > ? ?(They didn't know.) > > I assume this is a pretty typical response from ISPs. ?Has anyone > asked their ISP questions like these? ?If so, what kind of response > did you get? ?Does anyone know of a really good ISP, or a good > resource for finding a good ISP around Cincinnati, OH? > > Thanks, > Mark Hartkemeyer > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > 8.Q: I need to change my Reverse DNS on my Static IP for running a mail server. A: What are you talking about? That doesnt Exist. -- mmm, interesante..... From wmoran at potentialtech.com Thu Jun 4 17:10:19 2009 From: wmoran at potentialtech.com (Bill Moran) Date: Thu Jun 4 17:10:27 2009 Subject: ISP questions In-Reply-To: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090604131017.a85fb456.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In response to Mark Hartkemeyer : > I'm pretty new to FreeBSD and was reading part of Greg Lehey's The > Complete FreeBSD 4th Edition. I found the section on ISPs in chapter > 18 really interesting. I put some of his recommended questions to my > ISP, Cincinnati Bell's Zoomtown. I think I talked to three or four > people before I even got some of them answered. > > Here are some of the questions and answers: > > 1. What speed connections do you offer? > 5MBps upload/5MBps download (she said bytes, but should it be bits?) If they're doing 5 megabyte per second, then sign me up! > 3. How many hops are there to the backbone? > "It depends on the site you're trying to reach." (I think they > misunderstood what I meant by "backbone"?) I suspect you're correct, although it is possible to have multiple backbones that are different hops away. > 4. What kind of hardware and software are you running? > "Can't provide this, due to security reasons." That's the stupidest answer I've heard today. > 7. Do you give complete access to the Internet, or do you block some ports? > "Cannot provide this info, due to security reasons." After > asking, I was told that I would be able to run a mail server and http > server on my connection. That's the stupidest answer I've heard today (just trumped the previous one). Reminds me of when I was trying to pay my student loan back, and the bank refused to tell me what the monthly payment was until I started paying it back. No, I'm not making that up or exaggerating. "How do I know what to write the check for?" "We'll tell you." "Well then tell me now." "I can't divulge that information until you start making payments." > 8. Do you have complete reverse DNS? > (They didn't know.) Heh. Can they find the bathroom in the dark? > I assume this is a pretty typical response from ISPs. Has anyone > asked their ISP questions like these? If so, what kind of response > did you get? Does anyone know of a really good ISP, or a good > resource for finding a good ISP around Cincinnati, OH? I recommend hooking up with your local user's group. There's probably a LUG in Cinci somewhere, and most LUGs I know are pretty friendly to BSD folks, and there will be someone in the LUG who's already done this research. How 'bout this: http://www.clug.org/ If you meet anyone there who recognizes my name, tell them I said "Hi." -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com http://people.collaborativefusion.com/~wmoran/ From rsmith at xs4all.nl Thu Jun 4 17:11:00 2009 From: rsmith at xs4all.nl (Roland Smith) Date: Thu Jun 4 17:11:08 2009 Subject: I want a laptop to connect to Internet via satelitte In-Reply-To: <4A27F4BE.7010704@InsightBB.com> References: <4A27F4BE.7010704@InsightBB.com> Message-ID: <20090604171057.GB41411@slackbox.xs4all.nl> On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 12:22:22PM -0400, Steven Friedrich wrote: > I have a laptop and I was looking at the AT&T LaptopConnect cards. They > appear to only work with Windows. I do need windows support, but I > insist on FreeBSD support. According to http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/solutions/wireless-laptop/laptop-connect.jsp LaptopConnect cards work via GSM/EDGE networks, not via satellite. They also require something called "AT&T Communication Manager" which is windows-only, AFAICT. In short, don't bother with these cards. Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 196 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/attachments/20090604/591ff3c6/attachment.pgp From tfcheng at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 17:15:22 2009 From: tfcheng at gmail.com (Tsu-Fan Cheng) Date: Thu Jun 4 17:15:30 2009 Subject: linux compatibility ports upgrade Message-ID: Hi, Just use portmaster to upgrade ports and found out a lot of linux-* ports are renewed. But strange to see that upgrading was interrupted by ports conflicts, such as linux-f8-tiff and linux-tiff. What I have are a whole bunch of f8 stuff, I dont understand why portmaster choose to upgrade ports that are not "f8". And also curious to know which linux* is better? with or without f8/f10? thank you!! TFC From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Thu Jun 4 17:21:20 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Thu Jun 4 17:21:28 2009 Subject: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD In-Reply-To: References: <20090603230314.bfeecf1a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090603235219.2e8abb8a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031700.45600.kirk@strauser.com> <20090604010054.a45f5880.freebsd@edvax.de> <8BA60025-A005-4E38-9D5E-A9C11AB3C17C@strauser.com> <20090604173535.984e32d6.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: > PS Does _anyone_ prefer info manuals, apart from Stallman? > I don't, it's much easier to just type man something than browsing through big document From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Thu Jun 4 17:22:21 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Thu Jun 4 17:22:28 2009 Subject: I want a laptop to connect to Internet via satelitte In-Reply-To: <4A27F4BE.7010704@InsightBB.com> References: <4A27F4BE.7010704@InsightBB.com> Message-ID: > I have a laptop and I was looking at the AT&T LaptopConnect cards. They > appear to only work with Windows. I do need windows support, but I insist on > FreeBSD support. > > I tried looking at the hardware and release notes for FreeBSD, but what do > you call these devices to distinguish them from wireless ethernet? > -- just plug that card and look what dmesg says. Usually marketing people don't even know if it work under anything else. You have to check From jerrymc at msu.edu Thu Jun 4 17:47:30 2009 From: jerrymc at msu.edu (Jerry McAllister) Date: Thu Jun 4 17:47:39 2009 Subject: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD In-Reply-To: References: <20090603235219.2e8abb8a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031700.45600.kirk@strauser.com> <20090604010054.a45f5880.freebsd@edvax.de> <8BA60025-A005-4E38-9D5E-A9C11AB3C17C@strauser.com> <20090604173535.984e32d6.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: <20090604174510.GA32547@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 05:20:24PM +0100, Chris Rees wrote: > Er, yeah, i think man pages are the best solution too, and I apologise > for appearing to look down on them. I can't *stand* info manuals, > they're clunky and bloated. > > Chris > > PS Does _anyone_ prefer info manuals, apart from Stallman? Well, man pages are good at formally documenting the how of use, but they often are not so helpful on the why and wherefor of use. Sometimes info manuals add a little for that. But, that is more of a content issue than a form issue. Man pages could easily be more forthcoming on the why and wherefor concepts. ////jerry > -- > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > A: Top-posting. > Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From gesbbb at yahoo.com Thu Jun 4 17:47:45 2009 From: gesbbb at yahoo.com (Jerry) Date: Thu Jun 4 17:47:52 2009 Subject: ISP questions In-Reply-To: <20090604131017.a85fb456.wmoran@potentialtech.com> References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <20090604131017.a85fb456.wmoran@potentialtech.com> Message-ID: <20090604134732.32595d16@scorpio> On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:10:17 -0400 Bill Moran wrote: >In response to Mark Hartkemeyer : >> 4. What kind of hardware and software are you running? >> "Can't provide this, due to security reasons." > >That's the stupidest answer I've heard today. Actually, I had a Comcast representative give basically the same answer. Evidently, they are trying to discourage 'social engineering'' which is probably not such a bad idea. >> 7. Do you give complete access to the Internet, or do you block some >> ports? "Cannot provide this info, due to security reasons." After >> asking, I was told that I would be able to run a mail server and http >> server on my connection. > >That's the stupidest answer I've heard today (just trumped the previous >one). If they can run a mail & http server, they are obviously not blocking ports 25 & 80. I would like to know how they are handling MX setting though. >> 8. Do you have complete reverse DNS? >> (They didn't know.) > >Heh. Can they find the bathroom in the dark? 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From onemda at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 17:53:07 2009 From: onemda at gmail.com (Paul B. Mahol) Date: Thu Jun 4 17:53:14 2009 Subject: Can't get ndis0 working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3a142e750906041053t11c5f676u99e969873275471a@mail.gmail.com> On 5/14/09, Neal Hogan wrote: > On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 4:00 AM, Walter, Richard > wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I tried to activate my Acer's Aspire 5315 wireless card >> with FreeBSD 7.2 i386 and had no luck. >> >> What i did: >> 1) #prtconf -lv >> none2@pci0:6:0:0: class=0x028000 card=0x04221468 chip=0x431114e4 >> rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 >> vendor = 'Broadcom Corporation' >> device = 'Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card' >> class = network >> >> 2) i Downloaded the R112196.EXE archive from the Dell ftp server and >> extracted bcmwl5.inf and bcmwl5.sys >> 3) i copied those files to /sys/modules/if_ndis >> 4) # iconv -c -f utf-16 -t ascii bcmwl5.inf > bcmwl5.inf.ascii >> 5) with ndisgen and bcmwl5.inf.ascii/bcmwl5.sys i created >> successful bcmwl5_sys.ko. >> The ndisgen wrote a message at sys file loading: >> "This .SYS file appears to be in Windows(r) PE format" >> 6) # cp bcmwl5_sys.ko /boot/kernel >> 7) # kldload bcmwl5_sys.ko >> kldload: cant't load bcmwl5_sys.ko >> >> # kldloat /boot/kernel/bcmwl5_sys.ko >> kldload: cant't load /boot/kernel/bcmwl5_sys.ko This is wrong, what is displayed on console? >> >> 8) Next try with help from >> http://dannyman.toldme.com/2005/01/05/freebsd-howto-ndisulate-windows-drivers >> >> # rm /boot/kernel/bcmwl5_sys.ko >> # rm /sys/modules/if_ndis/bcmwl5_sys.ko >> >> 9)cd /sys/modules/if_ndis >> # ndiscvt -i bcmwl5.inf.ascii -s bcmwl5.sys -o ndis_driver_data.h >> >> 10) # make && make install >> Warning: Object directory not changed from original >> /usr/src/sys/modules/if_ndis >> @ -> /usr/src/sys >> machine -> /usr/src/sys/i386/include >> awk -f @/tools/makeobjops.awk @/kern/device_if.m -h >> awk -f @/tools/makeobjops.awk @/kern/bus_if.m -h >> awk -f @/tools/makeobjops.awk @/dev/pci/pci_if.m -h >> awk -f @/tools/makeobjops.awk @/dev/pccard/card_if.m -h >> awk -f @/tools/pccarddevs2h.awk @/dev/pccard/pccarddevs >> :> opt_usb.h >> awk -f @/tools/usbdevs2h.awk @/dev/usb/usbdevs -h >> cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -std=c99 >> -nostdinc -I. -I@ -I@/contrib/altq -finline-limit=8000 --param >> inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -fno-common >> -mno-align-long-strings -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow >> -mno-sse -mno-sse2 -mno-sse3 -ffreestanding -Wall -Wredundant-decls >> -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith >> -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -c >> /usr/src/sys/modules/if_ndis/../../dev/if_ndis/if_ndis.c >> cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -std=c99 >> -nostdinc -I. -I@ -I@/contrib/altq -finline-limit=8000 --param >> inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -fno-common >> -mno-align-long-strings -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow >> -mno-sse -mno-sse2 -mno-sse3 -ffreestanding -Wall -Wredundant-decls >> -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith >> -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -c >> /usr/src/sys/modules/if_ndis/../../dev/if_ndis/if_ndis_pci.c >> cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -std=c99 >> -nostdinc -I. -I@ -I@/contrib/altq -finline-limit=8000 --param >> inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -fno-common >> -mno-align-long-strings -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow >> -mno-sse -mno-sse2 -mno-sse3 -ffreestanding -Wall -Wredundant-decls >> -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith >> -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -c >> /usr/src/sys/modules/if_ndis/../../dev/if_ndis/if_ndis_pccard.c >> cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -std=c99 >> -nostdinc -I. -I@ -I@/contrib/altq -finline-limit=8000 --param >> inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -fno-common >> -mno-align-long-strings -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow >> -mno-sse -mno-sse2 -mno-sse3 -ffreestanding -Wall -Wredundant-decls >> -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith >> -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -c >> /usr/src/sys/modules/if_ndis/../../dev/if_ndis/if_ndis_usb.c >> ld -d -warn-common -r -d -o if_ndis.kld if_ndis.o if_ndis_pci.o >> if_ndis_pccard.o if_ndis_usb.o >> :> export_syms >> awk -f /usr/src/sys/modules/if_ndis/../../conf/kmod_syms.awk if_ndis.kld >> export_syms | xargs -J% objcopy % if_ndis.kld >> ld -Bshareable -d -warn-common -o if_ndis.ko if_ndis.kld >> objcopy --strip-debug if_ndis.ko >> install -o root -g wheel -m 555 if_ndis.ko /boot/kernel >> kldxref /boot/kernel >> >> 11) # kldload if_ndis >> # kldstat >> Id Refs Address Size Name >> 1 19 0xc0400000 9fab28 kernel >> 2 1 0xc0dfb000 6a45c acpi.ko >> 3 1 0xc4767000 22000 linux.ko >> 4 1 0xc489c000 9000 i915.ko >> 5 1 0xc48a5000 13000 drm.ko >> 6 1 0xc532c000 c000 if_ndis.ko >> 7 1 0xc5338000 16000 ndis.ko >> >> 12) # ifconfig ndis0 up >> ifconfig: interface ndis0 does not exist >> >> I've no idea whats going wrong , perhaps anyone can help ? > > Perhaps I can indirectly help . . . > > I had a discussion on this list a little while back about the ndis > wrapper. Perhaps some of the suggestions made to me by folks who have > had success with it will help you. It looks as though you did some (if > not all) of the things that I did, which were commented on in the > discussion. My patience wore too thin for me to fully work it out, but > perhaps you're a better man than I. > > http://freebsd.monkey.org/freebsd-questions/200901/msg00435.html > > One thing that may not be mentioned in the above the thread is that > you may have to try different .inf and .sys files until you get one > that works . . . that consumed most of the little patience that I had. > > Good luck! > > -Neal > > >> >> Best regards, >> >> Richard >> >> >> >> >> HOB RD VPN - einfach, sicher und flexibel auf alle >> Unternehmensanwendungen und -daten zugreifen >> >> Praesentation unter: http://www.hob.de/rdvpn2/ >> >> >> HOB GmbH & Co. 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DE 132747002 >> >> Komplementaerin HOB electronic Beteiligungs GmbH >> AG Fuerth, HRB 3416 >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > > > -- > www.nealhogan.net www.lambdaserver.com > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Paul From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Thu Jun 4 17:56:13 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Thu Jun 4 17:56:22 2009 Subject: ISP questions In-Reply-To: <20090604131017.a85fb456.wmoran@potentialtech.com> References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <20090604131017.a85fb456.wmoran@potentialtech.com> Message-ID: >> 4. What kind of hardware and software are you running? >> "Can't provide this, due to security reasons." > > That's the stupidest answer I've heard today. It isn't that stupid. As many ISPs admins aren't very good, they simply fear. From bsam at ipt.ru Thu Jun 4 17:59:18 2009 From: bsam at ipt.ru (Boris Samorodov) Date: Thu Jun 4 17:59:25 2009 Subject: linux compatibility ports upgrade In-Reply-To: (Tsu-Fan Cheng's message of "Thu\, 4 Jun 2009 13\:15\:21 -0400") References: Message-ID: <24399562@bb.ipt.ru> On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:15:21 -0400 Tsu-Fan Cheng wrote: > Hi, Just use portmaster to upgrade ports and found out a lot of linux-* > ports are renewed. But strange to see that upgrading was interrupted by > ports conflicts, such as linux-f8-tiff and linux-tiff. Yes, those ports install files with the sane name/path, so they have a conflict and can't be used/unstalled together. > What I have are a > whole bunch of f8 stuff, I dont understand why portmaster choose to upgrade > ports that are not "f8". I don't use portmaster but you are first to complain. Can you show the output of "pkg_info -xI linux"? > And also curious to know which linux* is better? Hm, it a good question. ;-) The one which does what you need. But there are some security problems (seems with pango ports) which won't be resolved for Fedora Core 4 ports (since there is no new fixed packages). > with or without f8/f10? thank you!! It depends on your OS version and your tasks. The default (even for 8-CURRENT so far) is linux_base-fc4 and it's infrastructure ports. I think that for FreeBSD-6.x and lower there is no other alternative. For 7.2-RELEASE (and even better, 7-STABLE) one can use -f8- base and infrastructure ports. For recent 8-CURRENT one can use -f10- ports. There is a WIP to change this to default for 8-CURRENT. WBR -- Boris Samorodov (bsam) Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone & Internet SP FreeBSD Committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve From leonardo at softel.cu Thu Jun 4 18:10:07 2009 From: leonardo at softel.cu (leonardo) Date: Thu Jun 4 18:15:22 2009 Subject: about restarting services References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <97EA15DA433141609E65F89FF18FB033@softel.cu> hello everybody: I?m new to freeBSD, I want to know how I can restart the network services From tfcheng at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 18:15:43 2009 From: tfcheng at gmail.com (Tsu-Fan Cheng) Date: Thu Jun 4 18:15:49 2009 Subject: linux compatibility ports upgrade In-Reply-To: <24399562@bb.ipt.ru> References: <24399562@bb.ipt.ru> Message-ID: Thank you, Boris. This is my linux ports,linux-f8-atk-1.20.0_1 Accessibility Toolkit, Linux/i386 binary (Linux Fedora 8) linux-f8-cairo-1.4.14_1 Vector graphics library Cairo (Linux Fedora 8) linux-f8-curl-7.18.2_1 The command line tool for transferring files with URL synta linux-f8-expat-2.0.1_1 Linux/i386 binary port of Expat XML-parsing library (Linux linux-f8-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0 Image loading library for GTK+ (Linux Fedora 8) linux-f8-libidn-0.6.14_1 Internationalized Domain Name support library (Linux Fedora linux-f8-libxml2-2.7.2 Library providing XML and HTML support (Linux Fedora 8) linux-f8-nspr-4.7.3 Netscape Portable Runtime (Linux Fedora 8) linux-f8-nss-3.12.2.0 Network Security Services (Linux Fedora 8) linux-f8-openssl-0.9.8b The OpenSSL toolkit (Linux Fedora 8) linux-f8-pango-1.18.4 The pango library (Linux Fedora 8) linux-f8-png-1.2.22_1 RPM of the PNG lib (Linux Fedora 8) linux-f8-sqlite3-3.4.2_1 The library that implements an embeddable SQL database engi linux-f8-tiff-3.8.2 The TIFF library, Linux/i386 binary (Linux Fedora 8) linux-f8-xorg-libs-7.3_3 Xorg libraries (Linux Fedora 8) linux-flashplugin-10.0r22 Adobe Flash Player NPAPI Plugin linux-fontconfig-2.2.3_9 Linux/i386 binary of Fontconfig linux-gtk2-2.6.10_2 GTK+ library, version 2.X, Linux binary linux-hicolor-icon-theme-0.5_2 A high-color icon theme shell from the FreeDesktop project linux-jpeg-6b.34_2 RPM of the JPEG lib linux-libsigc-2.0.17_1 Callback Framework for C++ (linux version) linux-mplayerplug-in-3.50_3 Embed MPlayer into browser linux-nvu-1.0_1 A complete Web Authoring System linux-openmotif-2.2.4_3 Motif toolkit Linux libraries linux-pango-1.10.2_2 Linux pango binary linux-realplayer-10.0.9.809.20070726 Linux RealPlayer 10 from RealNetworks linux-scim-gtk-fc8-1.4.7_1 Smart Common Input Method platform, gtk module, Linux binar linux-scim-libs-fc8-1.4.7_2 Smart Common Input Method platform, library part, Linux bin linux_base-f8-8_11 Base set of packages needed in Linux mode (for i386/amd64) linux_dri-7.0 Binary Linux DRI libraries for 3D hardware acceleration of and I am running 7.2-stable, looks like linux-f8* is just as good to me. TFC On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Boris Samorodov wrote: > On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:15:21 -0400 Tsu-Fan Cheng wrote: > > > Hi, Just use portmaster to upgrade ports and found out a lot of linux-* > > ports are renewed. But strange to see that upgrading was interrupted by > > ports conflicts, such as linux-f8-tiff and linux-tiff. > > Yes, those ports install files with the sane name/path, so they have > a conflict and can't be used/unstalled together. > > > What I have are a > > whole bunch of f8 stuff, I dont understand why portmaster choose to > upgrade > > ports that are not "f8". > > I don't use portmaster but you are first to complain. Can you show > the output of "pkg_info -xI linux"? > > > And also curious to know which linux* is better? > > Hm, it a good question. ;-) > The one which does what you need. But there are some security > problems (seems with pango ports) which won't be resolved for > Fedora Core 4 ports (since there is no new fixed packages). > > > with or without f8/f10? thank you!! > > It depends on your OS version and your tasks. The default (even > for 8-CURRENT so far) is linux_base-fc4 and it's infrastructure > ports. I think that for FreeBSD-6.x and lower there is no other > alternative. For 7.2-RELEASE (and even better, 7-STABLE) one can > use -f8- base and infrastructure ports. For recent 8-CURRENT one > can use -f10- ports. There is a WIP to change this to default for > 8-CURRENT. > > > WBR > -- > Boris Samorodov (bsam) > Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone & Internet SP > FreeBSD Committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve > From dave.mehler at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 18:17:13 2009 From: dave.mehler at gmail.com (Dave) Date: Thu Jun 4 18:17:19 2009 Subject: repeating error message from ssh Message-ID: Hello, I'm seeing this message repeating in my logs from ssh. I'm running a 7.2 system, no patches, with ssh installed from ports. Suggestions welcome. Thanks. Dave. Jun 4 13:08:06 ssh: gethostby*.getanswer: asked for "NetworkMachineName IN AAAA", got type "A" From tfcheng at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 18:19:09 2009 From: tfcheng at gmail.com (Tsu-Fan Cheng) Date: Thu Jun 4 18:19:16 2009 Subject: linux compatibility ports upgrade In-Reply-To: References: <24399562@bb.ipt.ru> Message-ID: It's funny, sometimes I think portmaster knows that it should upgrade linux-f8* ports and not linux-* ports but sometimes doesn't. I don't know why... TFC On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Tsu-Fan Cheng wrote: > Thank you, Boris. This is my linux ports,linux-f8-atk-1.20.0_1 > Accessibility Toolkit, Linux/i386 binary (Linux Fedora 8) > linux-f8-cairo-1.4.14_1 Vector graphics library Cairo (Linux Fedora 8) > linux-f8-curl-7.18.2_1 The command line tool for transferring files with > URL synta > linux-f8-expat-2.0.1_1 Linux/i386 binary port of Expat XML-parsing library > (Linux > linux-f8-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0 Image loading library for GTK+ (Linux Fedora 8) > linux-f8-libidn-0.6.14_1 Internationalized Domain Name support library > (Linux Fedora > linux-f8-libxml2-2.7.2 Library providing XML and HTML support (Linux Fedora > 8) > linux-f8-nspr-4.7.3 Netscape Portable Runtime (Linux Fedora 8) > linux-f8-nss-3.12.2.0 Network Security Services (Linux Fedora 8) > linux-f8-openssl-0.9.8b The OpenSSL toolkit (Linux Fedora 8) > linux-f8-pango-1.18.4 The pango library (Linux Fedora 8) > linux-f8-png-1.2.22_1 RPM of the PNG lib (Linux Fedora 8) > linux-f8-sqlite3-3.4.2_1 The library that implements an embeddable SQL > database engi > linux-f8-tiff-3.8.2 The TIFF library, Linux/i386 binary (Linux Fedora 8) > linux-f8-xorg-libs-7.3_3 Xorg libraries (Linux Fedora 8) > linux-flashplugin-10.0r22 Adobe Flash Player NPAPI Plugin > linux-fontconfig-2.2.3_9 Linux/i386 binary of Fontconfig > linux-gtk2-2.6.10_2 GTK+ library, version 2.X, Linux binary > linux-hicolor-icon-theme-0.5_2 A high-color icon theme shell from the > FreeDesktop project > linux-jpeg-6b.34_2 RPM of the JPEG lib > linux-libsigc-2.0.17_1 Callback Framework for C++ (linux version) > linux-mplayerplug-in-3.50_3 Embed MPlayer into browser > linux-nvu-1.0_1 A complete Web Authoring System > linux-openmotif-2.2.4_3 Motif toolkit Linux libraries > linux-pango-1.10.2_2 Linux pango binary > linux-realplayer-10.0.9.809.20070726 Linux RealPlayer 10 from RealNetworks > linux-scim-gtk-fc8-1.4.7_1 Smart Common Input Method platform, gtk module, > Linux binar > linux-scim-libs-fc8-1.4.7_2 Smart Common Input Method platform, library > part, Linux bin > linux_base-f8-8_11 Base set of packages needed in Linux mode (for > i386/amd64) > linux_dri-7.0 Binary Linux DRI libraries for 3D hardware acceleration > of > > > and I am running 7.2-stable, looks like linux-f8* is just as good to me. > > > TFC > > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Boris Samorodov wrote: > >> On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:15:21 -0400 Tsu-Fan Cheng wrote: >> >> > Hi, Just use portmaster to upgrade ports and found out a lot of >> linux-* >> > ports are renewed. But strange to see that upgrading was interrupted by >> > ports conflicts, such as linux-f8-tiff and linux-tiff. >> >> Yes, those ports install files with the sane name/path, so they have >> a conflict and can't be used/unstalled together. >> >> > What I have are a >> > whole bunch of f8 stuff, I dont understand why portmaster choose to >> upgrade >> > ports that are not "f8". >> >> I don't use portmaster but you are first to complain. Can you show >> the output of "pkg_info -xI linux"? >> >> > And also curious to know which linux* is better? >> >> Hm, it a good question. ;-) >> The one which does what you need. But there are some security >> problems (seems with pango ports) which won't be resolved for >> Fedora Core 4 ports (since there is no new fixed packages). >> >> > with or without f8/f10? thank you!! >> >> It depends on your OS version and your tasks. The default (even >> for 8-CURRENT so far) is linux_base-fc4 and it's infrastructure >> ports. I think that for FreeBSD-6.x and lower there is no other >> alternative. For 7.2-RELEASE (and even better, 7-STABLE) one can >> use -f8- base and infrastructure ports. For recent 8-CURRENT one >> can use -f10- ports. There is a WIP to change this to default for >> 8-CURRENT. >> >> >> WBR >> -- >> Boris Samorodov (bsam) >> Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone & Internet SP >> FreeBSD Committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve >> > > From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Thu Jun 4 18:19:48 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Thu Jun 4 18:19:55 2009 Subject: ISP questions In-Reply-To: <4A280CB2.6020909@ibctech.ca> References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <20090604131017.a85fb456.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <4A280CB2.6020909@ibctech.ca> Message-ID: >>> That's the stupidest answer I've heard today. >> >> It isn't that stupid. As many ISPs admins aren't very good, they simply >> fear. > > Based on the answers provided, I highly doubt that the OP was speaking > to an admin... Of course not, but THEY require others to not talk about used hardware and software because they fear. And they really believe it helps :) In Poland actually the "hated" Polish Telecom have best managed IP network. Most others are really poor and that's the important reason that Polish Telecom have really little competition. They invested millions of dollars each for hardware, but not employees. From cpghost at cordula.ws Thu Jun 4 18:20:01 2009 From: cpghost at cordula.ws (cpghost) Date: Thu Jun 4 18:20:08 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE9E@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> References: <20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE90@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090603213531.c56f385b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090603201342.GA8685@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090603225625.0a828067.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE9E@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> Message-ID: <20090604181957.GA1386@phenom.cordula.ws> On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 04:06:18PM -0500, Gary Gatten wrote: > Whatever happened to BeOS? http://www.haiku-os.org/ -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Thu Jun 4 18:20:16 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Thu Jun 4 18:20:24 2009 Subject: about restarting services In-Reply-To: <97EA15DA433141609E65F89FF18FB033@softel.cu> References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <97EA15DA433141609E65F89FF18FB033@softel.cu> Message-ID: > hello everybody: > > I?m new to freeBSD, I want to know how I can restart the network services what services? /etc/rc.d/ restart or if installed from ports /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ restart From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Thu Jun 4 18:21:52 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Thu Jun 4 18:21:59 2009 Subject: repeating error message from ssh In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > I'm seeing this message repeating in my logs from ssh. I'm running a > 7.2 system, no patches, with ssh installed from ports. Suggestions welcome. > Thanks. > Dave. > > Jun 4 13:08:06 ssh: gethostby*.getanswer: asked for > "NetworkMachineName IN AAAA", got type "A" > DNS behave strangely. ssh ask for IPv6 address, there is probably no IPv6 answer, but DNS responds with IPv4 address instead of nothing. From bsam at ipt.ru Thu Jun 4 18:26:24 2009 From: bsam at ipt.ru (Boris Samorodov) Date: Thu Jun 4 18:26:31 2009 Subject: linux compatibility ports upgrade In-Reply-To: (Tsu-Fan Cheng's message of "Thu\, 4 Jun 2009 14\:15\:42 -0400") References: <24399562@bb.ipt.ru> Message-ID: <58317936@bb.ipt.ru> On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:15:42 -0400 Tsu-Fan Cheng wrote: > Thank you, Boris. This is my linux ports,linux-f8-atk-1.20.0_1 Accessibility > Toolkit, Linux/i386 binary (Linux Fedora 8) > linux-f8-cairo-1.4.14_1 Vector graphics library Cairo (Linux Fedora 8) > linux-f8-curl-7.18.2_1 The command line tool for transferring files with URL > synta > linux-f8-expat-2.0.1_1 Linux/i386 binary port of Expat XML-parsing library > (Linux > linux-f8-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0 Image loading library for GTK+ (Linux Fedora 8) > linux-f8-libidn-0.6.14_1 Internationalized Domain Name support library > (Linux Fedora > linux-f8-libxml2-2.7.2 Library providing XML and HTML support (Linux Fedora > 8) > linux-f8-nspr-4.7.3 Netscape Portable Runtime (Linux Fedora 8) > linux-f8-nss-3.12.2.0 Network Security Services (Linux Fedora 8) > linux-f8-openssl-0.9.8b The OpenSSL toolkit (Linux Fedora 8) > linux-f8-pango-1.18.4 The pango library (Linux Fedora 8) > linux-f8-png-1.2.22_1 RPM of the PNG lib (Linux Fedora 8) > linux-f8-sqlite3-3.4.2_1 The library that implements an embeddable SQL > database engi > linux-f8-tiff-3.8.2 The TIFF library, Linux/i386 binary (Linux Fedora 8) > linux-f8-xorg-libs-7.3_3 Xorg libraries (Linux Fedora 8) > linux-flashplugin-10.0r22 Adobe Flash Player NPAPI Plugin > linux-fontconfig-2.2.3_9 Linux/i386 binary of Fontconfig > linux-gtk2-2.6.10_2 GTK+ library, version 2.X, Linux binary > linux-hicolor-icon-theme-0.5_2 A high-color icon theme shell from the > FreeDesktop project > linux-jpeg-6b.34_2 RPM of the JPEG lib > linux-libsigc-2.0.17_1 Callback Framework for C++ (linux version) > linux-mplayerplug-in-3.50_3 Embed MPlayer into browser > linux-nvu-1.0_1 A complete Web Authoring System > linux-openmotif-2.2.4_3 Motif toolkit Linux libraries > linux-pango-1.10.2_2 Linux pango binary > linux-realplayer-10.0.9.809.20070726 Linux RealPlayer 10 from RealNetworks > linux-scim-gtk-fc8-1.4.7_1 Smart Common Input Method platform, gtk module, > Linux binar > linux-scim-libs-fc8-1.4.7_2 Smart Common Input Method platform, library > part, Linux bin > linux_base-f8-8_11 Base set of packages needed in Linux mode (for > i386/amd64) > linux_dri-7.0 Binary Linux DRI libraries for 3D hardware acceleration > of OK, you have a mix with FC4 and F8 ports. The best way for you is to remove all linux ports, clean /compat/linux and reinstall needed linux applications (i.e. linux-realplayer, acroread8, skype, etc.). > and I am running 7.2-stable, looks like linux-f8* is just as good to me. Yes, that may be a good choice for you. WBR -- Boris Samorodov (bsam) Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone & Internet SP FreeBSD Committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve From steve at ibctech.ca Thu Jun 4 18:31:05 2009 From: steve at ibctech.ca (Steve Bertrand) Date: Thu Jun 4 18:31:11 2009 Subject: ISP questions In-Reply-To: References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <20090604131017.a85fb456.wmoran@potentialtech.com> Message-ID: <4A280CB2.6020909@ibctech.ca> Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> 4. What kind of hardware and software are you running? >>> "Can't provide this, due to security reasons." >> >> That's the stupidest answer I've heard today. > > It isn't that stupid. As many ISPs admins aren't very good, they simply > fear. Based on the answers provided, I highly doubt that the OP was speaking to an admin... Steve -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thank you! A wounderful hint. BTW, since we're talking about vintage OSes: anyone knows of a BS2000 clone, emulator, ...? http://ts.fujitsu.com/products/bs2000/index.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BS2000 I'm especially interested in an emulation of the old terminal-based BS2000 before they introduced POSIX compat in 1992 (i.e. BS2000 as of between 1986 and 1992). For other emulators of old hardware, we have the great collecton of /usr/ports/emulators/simh plus images, but nothing BS2000-ish (yet). Or do we? TIA, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From tfcheng at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 18:34:47 2009 From: tfcheng at gmail.com (Tsu-Fan Cheng) Date: Thu Jun 4 18:34:54 2009 Subject: linux compatibility ports upgrade In-Reply-To: <58317936@bb.ipt.ru> References: <24399562@bb.ipt.ru> <58317936@bb.ipt.ru> Message-ID: I see, can you tell me which are FC4 ports?? thanks!! TFC On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Boris Samorodov wrote: > On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:15:42 -0400 Tsu-Fan Cheng wrote: > > > Thank you, Boris. This is my linux ports,linux-f8-atk-1.20.0_1 > Accessibility > > Toolkit, Linux/i386 binary (Linux Fedora 8) > > linux-f8-cairo-1.4.14_1 Vector graphics library Cairo (Linux Fedora 8) > > linux-f8-curl-7.18.2_1 The command line tool for transferring files with > URL > > synta > > linux-f8-expat-2.0.1_1 Linux/i386 binary port of Expat XML-parsing > library > > (Linux > > linux-f8-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0 Image loading library for GTK+ (Linux Fedora > 8) > > linux-f8-libidn-0.6.14_1 Internationalized Domain Name support library > > (Linux Fedora > > linux-f8-libxml2-2.7.2 Library providing XML and HTML support (Linux > Fedora > > 8) > > linux-f8-nspr-4.7.3 Netscape Portable Runtime (Linux Fedora 8) > > linux-f8-nss-3.12.2.0 Network Security Services (Linux Fedora 8) > > linux-f8-openssl-0.9.8b The OpenSSL toolkit (Linux Fedora 8) > > linux-f8-pango-1.18.4 The pango library (Linux Fedora 8) > > linux-f8-png-1.2.22_1 RPM of the PNG lib (Linux Fedora 8) > > linux-f8-sqlite3-3.4.2_1 The library that implements an embeddable SQL > > database engi > > linux-f8-tiff-3.8.2 The TIFF library, Linux/i386 binary (Linux Fedora 8) > > linux-f8-xorg-libs-7.3_3 Xorg libraries (Linux Fedora 8) > > linux-flashplugin-10.0r22 Adobe Flash Player NPAPI Plugin > > linux-fontconfig-2.2.3_9 Linux/i386 binary of Fontconfig > > linux-gtk2-2.6.10_2 GTK+ library, version 2.X, Linux binary > > linux-hicolor-icon-theme-0.5_2 A high-color icon theme shell from the > > FreeDesktop project > > linux-jpeg-6b.34_2 RPM of the JPEG lib > > linux-libsigc-2.0.17_1 Callback Framework for C++ (linux version) > > linux-mplayerplug-in-3.50_3 Embed MPlayer into browser > > linux-nvu-1.0_1 A complete Web Authoring System > > linux-openmotif-2.2.4_3 Motif toolkit Linux libraries > > linux-pango-1.10.2_2 Linux pango binary > > linux-realplayer-10.0.9.809.20070726 Linux RealPlayer 10 from > RealNetworks > > linux-scim-gtk-fc8-1.4.7_1 Smart Common Input Method platform, gtk > module, > > Linux binar > > linux-scim-libs-fc8-1.4.7_2 Smart Common Input Method platform, library > > part, Linux bin > > linux_base-f8-8_11 Base set of packages needed in Linux mode (for > > i386/amd64) > > linux_dri-7.0 Binary Linux DRI libraries for 3D hardware > acceleration > > of > > OK, you have a mix with FC4 and F8 ports. The best way for you is > to remove all linux ports, clean /compat/linux and reinstall needed > linux applications (i.e. linux-realplayer, acroread8, skype, etc.). > > > and I am running 7.2-stable, looks like linux-f8* is just as good to me. > > Yes, that may be a good choice for you. > > > WBR > -- > Boris Samorodov (bsam) > Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone & Internet SP > FreeBSD Committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve > From freebsd at edvax.de Thu Jun 4 18:36:07 2009 From: freebsd at edvax.de (Polytropon) Date: Thu Jun 4 18:36:15 2009 Subject: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD In-Reply-To: References: <20090603230314.bfeecf1a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090603235219.2e8abb8a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031700.45600.kirk@strauser.com> <20090604010054.a45f5880.freebsd@edvax.de> <8BA60025-A005-4E38-9D5E-A9C11AB3C17C@strauser.com> <20090604173535.984e32d6.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: <20090604203558.fb99ea2c.freebsd@edvax.de> On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:21:01 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > PS Does _anyone_ prefer info manuals, apart from Stallman? > > > I don't, it's much easier to just type man something than browsing through > big document As far as I know, info doesn't let you search document-wide (including all subsections, branches and crossreferences) while man documents - being ONE document - let's you do this. Furthermore, it's quite easy to turn a a manpage into a nice looking PS / PDF file for printing and archiving. zcat `man -w ` | groff -Tps -dpaper=a4 -P-pa4 -mandoc | ps2pdf - man.pdf I'm not sure you can do this with info based manuals... -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From m.seaman at infracaninophile.co.uk Thu Jun 4 18:37:15 2009 From: m.seaman at infracaninophile.co.uk (Matthew Seaman) Date: Thu Jun 4 18:37:24 2009 Subject: repeating error message from ssh In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A281447.2060103@infracaninophile.co.uk> Dave wrote: > Hello, > I'm seeing this message repeating in my logs from ssh. I'm running a > 7.2 system, no patches, with ssh installed from ports. Suggestions welcome. > Thanks. > Dave. > > Jun 4 13:08:06 ssh: gethostby*.getanswer: asked for > "NetworkMachineName IN AAAA", got type "A" sshd queried the DNS for an IPv6 address but was returned an IPv4 address. Someone's DNS is misconfigured. sshd(8) is running perfectly well. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 259 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/attachments/20090604/81bcc393/signature.pgp From fbsdq at peterk.org Thu Jun 4 18:48:22 2009 From: fbsdq at peterk.org (Peter) Date: Thu Jun 4 18:48:29 2009 Subject: /etc/hosts - how does that file work?? - was weird nfs issues. Message-ID: <093ebf7d0b078a923d5690a42ef982e7.squirrel@webmail.pknet.net> iH, This all started with NFS not mounting at boot....so, testing in VMs: This is a fresh/generic install of 7.2-REL no firewall em1=10.21.20.0/24 network - DHCP for ssh access client# uname -a FreeBSD client.test 7.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE #0: Fri May 1 08:49:13 UTC 2009 root@walker.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 client# cat /etc/rc.conf gateway_enable="YES" hostname="client.test" ifconfig_em0="inet 172.20.6.2 netmask 255.255.255.0" ifconfig_em0_alias0="inet 116.23.45.2 netmask 255.255.255.0" ifconfig_em1="DHCP" nfs_client_enable="YES" nfs_server_enable="NO" rpcbind_enable="NO" sshd_enable="YES" client# ifconfig em0|grep inet inet 172.20.6.2 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 172.20.6.255 inet 116.23.45.2 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 116.23.45.255 client# cat /etc/hosts ::1 localhost localhost.test 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.test 172.20.6.2 client.test client 116.23.45.2 client.test client 172.20.6.1 server.test server 116.23.45.3 server.test server client# ping -c1 server PING server.test (172.20.6.1): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 172.20.6.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=5.811 ms --- server.test ping statistics --- 1 packets transmitted, 1 packets received, 0.0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 5.811/5.811/5.811/0.000 ms client# ssh -vvv server OpenSSH_5.1p1 FreeBSD-20080901, OpenSSL 0.9.8e 23 Feb 2007 debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 0 debug1: Connecting to server.test [116.23.45.3] port 22. ^C client# ssh to 'server' always goes to 116.23.45.3 IP there is nothing on '116.23.45.3' IP '116.23.45.3/24' is a made up network for testing BUT... client# ifconfig em0|grep inet inet 172.20.6.2 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 172.20.6.255 inet 116.23.45.2 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 116.23.45.255 client# cat /etc/hosts ::1 localhost localhost.test 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.test 172.20.6.2 client.test client 116.23.45.2 client.test client 172.20.6.1 server.test server 116.23.45.4 server.test server client# ping -c1 server PING server.test (172.20.6.1): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 172.20.6.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=0.285 ms --- server.test ping statistics --- 1 packets transmitted, 1 packets received, 0.0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 0.285/0.285/0.285/0.000 ms client# ssh -vvv server OpenSSH_5.1p1 FreeBSD-20080901, OpenSSL 0.9.8e 23 Feb 2007 debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 0 debug1: Connecting to server.test [172.20.6.1] port 22. debug1: Connection established. ... ...... Why if the secondary entry is higher than '116.23.45.3' it always goes to 172/24 network? Why is ping using one IP, and ssh/mount_nfs/showmount using another IP from /etc/hosts? ]confused[ From dave.mehler at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 18:57:48 2009 From: dave.mehler at gmail.com (Dave) Date: Thu Jun 4 18:57:55 2009 Subject: repeating error message from ssh In-Reply-To: <4A281447.2060103@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <4A281447.2060103@infracaninophile.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi, Thanks everyone for the information on this. I'm not running anything ipv6, i'd like to turn this off completely. The dns for my network unfortunately due to lack of computers is being provided by a 2wire gateway 2701, if anyone has any information on this thing's dhcp or dns i'd love to hear it, googling hasn't shown me how to change the internal domain name. Thanks. Dave. -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Seaman [mailto:m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 2:37 PM To: dave.mehler@gmail.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: repeating error message from ssh Dave wrote: > Hello, > I'm seeing this message repeating in my logs from ssh. I'm running a > 7.2 system, no patches, with ssh installed from ports. Suggestions welcome. > Thanks. > Dave. > > Jun 4 13:08:06 ssh: gethostby*.getanswer: asked for > "NetworkMachineName IN AAAA", got type "A" sshd queried the DNS for an IPv6 address but was returned an IPv4 address. Someone's DNS is misconfigured. sshd(8) is running perfectly well. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW From freebsd at edvax.de Thu Jun 4 18:58:32 2009 From: freebsd at edvax.de (Polytropon) Date: Thu Jun 4 18:58:39 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: <20090604183146.GB1386@phenom.cordula.ws> References: <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com> <20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE90@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090603213531.c56f385b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090603201342.GA8685@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090604183146.GB1386@phenom.cordula.ws> Message-ID: <20090604205824.9167e361.freebsd@edvax.de> On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:31:46 +0200, cpghost wrote: > BTW, since we're talking about vintage OSes: anyone knows of a > BS2000 clone, emulator, ...? > > http://ts.fujitsu.com/products/bs2000/index.html > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BS2000 > > I'm especially interested in an emulation of the old terminal-based > BS2000 before they introduced POSIX compat in 1992 (i.e. BS2000 as > of between 1986 and 1992). > > For other emulators of old hardware, we have the great collecton of > /usr/ports/emulators/simh plus images, but nothing BS2000-ish (yet). > Or do we? Maybe you're interested in hercules, which provides emulation of IBM's mainframe architecture that was the "parent" (with OS/360 and OS/390) of Siemens' original BS2000. Vintage operating systems, let's see what I can remember... SCP, DCP, MUTOS, SVP, VMX, PSU, WEGA, KAOS, OS/ES (once my favourite)... I'm sure no one of you knows from mind what I'm talking about. But don't mind, they don't exist anymore. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From pp at pp.dyndns.biz Thu Jun 4 18:59:50 2009 From: pp at pp.dyndns.biz (pp@pp.dyndns.biz) Date: Thu Jun 4 18:59:58 2009 Subject: about restarting services In-Reply-To: <97EA15DA433141609E65F89FF18FB033@softel.cu> References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <97EA15DA433141609E65F89FF18FB033@softel.cu> Message-ID: <4A2814D6.8030807@pp.dyndns.biz> leonardo wrote: > hello everybody: > > I?m new to freeBSD, I want to know how I can restart the network services If you by network services mean your network interfaces you type: /etc/rc.d/netif restart True network services, like inetd, sendmail and others, also have their scripts in the same folder. Network services you install from ports put their scripts in /usr/local/etc/rc.d /Morgan From redtick at sbcglobal.net Thu Jun 4 19:03:08 2009 From: redtick at sbcglobal.net (Mark Busby) Date: Thu Jun 4 19:03:14 2009 Subject: ISP questions Message-ID: <677095.93819.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 6/4/09, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > From: Wojciech Puchar > Subject: Re: ISP questions > To: "Bill Moran" > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 12:56 PM > >> 4. What kind of hardware and > software are you running? > >>? ???"Can't provide this, due > to security reasons." > > > > That's the stupidest answer I've heard today. > > It isn't that stupid. As many ISPs admins aren't very good, > they simply > fear. > Yeah, most admins just get to set around and do nothing but answer questions on mailing lists. =) Being short handed, under paid and taking care of the support overflow. The time I get to tell some "supposed" grad student/software sales person with a sexy voice. "We don't share that information" makes my day. Just call me paranoid. lol Locked into contracts with software venders will make you answer "Info Not Shared". Unable to make changes while you wait for a patch/fix. "Your the only one who's found this problem, so we'll wait until the next version to patch this problem. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From lreid at cs.okstate.edu Thu Jun 4 19:04:42 2009 From: lreid at cs.okstate.edu (Reid Linnemann) Date: Thu Jun 4 19:04:49 2009 Subject: ISP questions In-Reply-To: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A281AB8.5030004@cs.okstate.edu> Written by Mark Hartkemeyer on 06/04/09 11:23>> > I'm pretty new to FreeBSD and was reading part of Greg Lehey's The > Complete FreeBSD 4th Edition. I found the section on ISPs in chapter > 18 really interesting. I put some of his recommended questions to my > ISP, Cincinnati Bell's Zoomtown. I think I talked to three or four > people before I even got some of them answered. > > Here are some of the questions and answers: > > 1. What speed connections do you offer? > 5MBps upload/5MBps download (she said bytes, but should it be bits?) > 768kBps > > 2. Can you supply a static IP address? At what cost? > Yes, $49.95/month for the whole Internet package > > 3. How many hops are there to the backbone? > "It depends on the site you're trying to reach." (I think they > misunderstood what I meant by "backbone"?) > > 4. What kind of hardware and software are you running? > "Can't provide this, due to security reasons." > > 5. Can you supply primary or secondary DNS for me? > "You need a static IP." > > 6. Can you provide name registration? At what cost? > "Talk to residential services." > > 7. Do you give complete access to the Internet, or do you block some ports? > "Cannot provide this info, due to security reasons." After > asking, I was told that I would be able to run a mail server and http > server on my connection. > > 8. Do you have complete reverse DNS? > (They didn't know.) > > I assume this is a pretty typical response from ISPs. Has anyone > asked their ISP questions like these? If so, what kind of response > did you get? Does anyone know of a really good ISP, or a good > resource for finding a good ISP around Cincinnati, OH? > > Thanks, > Mark Hartkemeyer These responses don't surprise me. I'm actually impressed your rep knew the numbers for the up/down bandwidth, even though their metric was wrong. There was a point in time when a technical support representative for an ISP was knowledgeable and courteous, but those days are forever gone and those reps have been replaced with poorly trained monkeys that are forbidden to divert from The Script. You could not get any intelligible information about the ISP's services any more than you could expect to get intelligible information about a Dell computer's north bridge controller from a Walmart Associate. This is attributable to the explosion in popularity of personal internet access, resulting in a greater need for servicing a high volume of low complexity technical support requests (e.g., "my internet don't work"). The reps are paid far to little to be technically competent and the ISP doesn't get a return for training them to be proficient when they can just ist them in front of a knowledge database they've already invested cash into and tell them to read what it says. You have to meander your way at least up to tier II or III support to get to anyone who might possibly be invested enough in the service to know the meaning of your questions and the answers. From bsam at ipt.ru Thu Jun 4 19:26:03 2009 From: bsam at ipt.ru (Boris Samorodov) Date: Thu Jun 4 19:26:11 2009 Subject: linux compatibility ports upgrade In-Reply-To: (Tsu-Fan Cheng's message of "Thu\, 4 Jun 2009 14\:34\:44 -0400") References: <24399562@bb.ipt.ru> <58317936@bb.ipt.ru> Message-ID: <33354534@h30.sp.ipt.ru> On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:34:44 -0400 Tsu-Fan Cheng wrote: > I see, can you tell me which are FC4 ports?? thanks!! Please, reread my previous email. I wrote _all_ linux ports. > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Boris Samorodov wrote: > > On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:15:42 -0400 Tsu-Fan Cheng wrote: > > > > > Thank you, Boris. This is my linux ports,linux-f8-atk-1.20.0_1 > > Accessibility > > > Toolkit, Linux/i386 binary (Linux Fedora 8) > > > linux-f8-cairo-1.4.14_1 Vector graphics library Cairo (Linux Fedora 8) > > > linux-f8-curl-7.18.2_1 The command line tool for transferring files with > > URL > > > synta > > > linux-f8-expat-2.0.1_1 Linux/i386 binary port of Expat XML-parsing > > library > > > (Linux > > > linux-f8-gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0 Image loading library for GTK+ (Linux Fedora > > 8) > > > linux-f8-libidn-0.6.14_1 Internationalized Domain Name support library > > > (Linux Fedora > > > linux-f8-libxml2-2.7.2 Library providing XML and HTML support (Linux > > Fedora > > > 8) > > > linux-f8-nspr-4.7.3 Netscape Portable Runtime (Linux Fedora 8) > > > linux-f8-nss-3.12.2.0 Network Security Services (Linux Fedora 8) > > > linux-f8-openssl-0.9.8b The OpenSSL toolkit (Linux Fedora 8) > > > linux-f8-pango-1.18.4 The pango library (Linux Fedora 8) > > > linux-f8-png-1.2.22_1 RPM of the PNG lib (Linux Fedora 8) > > > linux-f8-sqlite3-3.4.2_1 The library that implements an embeddable SQL > > > database engi > > > linux-f8-tiff-3.8.2 The TIFF library, Linux/i386 binary (Linux Fedora 8) > > > linux-f8-xorg-libs-7.3_3 Xorg libraries (Linux Fedora 8) > > > linux-flashplugin-10.0r22 Adobe Flash Player NPAPI Plugin > > > linux-fontconfig-2.2.3_9 Linux/i386 binary of Fontconfig > > > linux-gtk2-2.6.10_2 GTK+ library, version 2.X, Linux binary > > > linux-hicolor-icon-theme-0.5_2 A high-color icon theme shell from the > > > FreeDesktop project > > > linux-jpeg-6b.34_2 RPM of the JPEG lib > > > linux-libsigc-2.0.17_1 Callback Framework for C++ (linux version) > > > linux-mplayerplug-in-3.50_3 Embed MPlayer into browser > > > linux-nvu-1.0_1 A complete Web Authoring System > > > linux-openmotif-2.2.4_3 Motif toolkit Linux libraries > > > linux-pango-1.10.2_2 Linux pango binary > > > linux-realplayer-10.0.9.809.20070726 Linux RealPlayer 10 from > > RealNetworks > > > linux-scim-gtk-fc8-1.4.7_1 Smart Common Input Method platform, gtk > > module, > > > Linux binar > > > linux-scim-libs-fc8-1.4.7_2 Smart Common Input Method platform, library > > > part, Linux bin > > > linux_base-f8-8_11 Base set of packages needed in Linux mode (for > > > i386/amd64) > > > linux_dri-7.0 Binary Linux DRI libraries for 3D hardware > > acceleration > > > of > > > > OK, you have a mix with FC4 and F8 ports. The best way for you is > > to remove all linux ports, clean /compat/linux and reinstall needed > > linux applications (i.e. linux-realplayer, acroread8, skype, etc.). > > > > > and I am running 7.2-stable, looks like linux-f8* is just as good to me. > > > > Yes, that may be a good choice for you. WBR -- bsam From jmc-freebsd2 at milibyte.co.uk Thu Jun 4 19:26:50 2009 From: jmc-freebsd2 at milibyte.co.uk (Mike Clarke) Date: Thu Jun 4 19:26:57 2009 Subject: cups and ghostscript recursive dependency problem In-Reply-To: <87r5y00xt7.fsf@kobe.laptop> References: <200906041536.57120.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> <87r5y00xt7.fsf@kobe.laptop> Message-ID: <200906042026.46827.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> On Thursday 04 June 2009, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > Do you have the latest port revision of ghostscript8? ?We have > tweaked its dependencies in the last 2-3 commits. ?Check that the > `Makefile' in `/usr/ports/print/ghostscript8' includes: > > ? ? # New ports collection makefile for: ghostscript > ? ? # Date created: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Tue Jun 10 21:58:54 CEST 1997 > ? ? # Whom: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Andreas Klemm > # > ? ? # $FreeBSD$ > ? ? # > > ? ? PORTNAME= ? ? ?ghostscript8 > ? ? PORTVERSION= ? 8.64 > ? ? PORTREVISION= ?5 > ? ? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > If the PORTREVISION is not 5, then please update the port and try > again. That was the cause, I had portversion 4. Updating to 5 fixed it. Thanks for the help. -- Mike Clarke From mel.flynn+fbsd.questions at mailing.thruhere.net Thu Jun 4 19:39:36 2009 From: mel.flynn+fbsd.questions at mailing.thruhere.net (Mel Flynn) Date: Thu Jun 4 19:39:45 2009 Subject: /etc/hosts - how does that file work?? - was weird nfs issues. In-Reply-To: <093ebf7d0b078a923d5690a42ef982e7.squirrel@webmail.pknet.net> References: <093ebf7d0b078a923d5690a42ef982e7.squirrel@webmail.pknet.net> Message-ID: <200906042139.32503.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> On Thursday 04 June 2009 20:48:21 Peter wrote: > iH, > This all started with NFS not mounting at boot....so, testing in VMs: > Why is ping using one IP, and ssh/mount_nfs/showmount using another IP > from /etc/hosts? Q: Where is described that name resolution for A or PTR records should be returned in a fixed order and that a consumer should always use the first one returned? A: Nowhere. Name servers are encouraged to do round-robin returns if not specified otherwise. Applications may sort/pick at their own leisure. -- Mel From mel.flynn+fbsd.questions at mailing.thruhere.net Thu Jun 4 19:45:07 2009 From: mel.flynn+fbsd.questions at mailing.thruhere.net (Mel Flynn) Date: Thu Jun 4 19:45:15 2009 Subject: repeating error message from ssh In-Reply-To: References: <4A281447.2060103@infracaninophile.co.uk> Message-ID: <200906042145.03548.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> On Thursday 04 June 2009 20:59:57 Dave wrote: > Hi, > Thanks everyone for the information on this. I'm not running > anything ipv6, i'd like to turn this off completely. The dns for my network > unfortunately due to lack of computers is being provided by a 2wire gateway > 2701, if anyone has any information on this thing's dhcp or dns i'd love to > hear it, googling hasn't shown me how to change the internal domain name. > Thanks. If you know your ISP's nameservers, simply run a local resolver and tell dhclient to prepend or override the nameserver obtained from dhcp. There's quite a few how-to's on the web on this topic. Suggested local reading: man dhclient.conf man rc.conf /etc/defaults/rc.conf - named_ settings /etc/namedb/named.conf -- Mel From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Thu Jun 4 19:45:24 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Thu Jun 4 19:45:48 2009 Subject: repeating error message from ssh In-Reply-To: References: <4A281447.2060103@infracaninophile.co.uk> Message-ID: > Thanks everyone for the information on this. I'm not running > anything ipv6, i'd like to turn this off completely. The dns for my network > unfortunately due to lack of computers is being provided by a 2wire gateway > 2701, if anyone has any information on this thing's dhcp or dns i'd love to > hear it, googling hasn't shown me how to change the internal domain name. > Thanks. simply ignore these messages. From nightrecon at verizon.net Thu Jun 4 19:45:38 2009 From: nightrecon at verizon.net (Michael Powell) Date: Thu Jun 4 19:45:49 2009 Subject: repeating error message from ssh References: <4A281447.2060103@infracaninophile.co.uk> Message-ID: Dave wrote: > Hi, > Thanks everyone for the information on this. I'm not running > anything ipv6, i'd like to turn this off completely. The dns for my > network unfortunately due to lack of computers is being provided by a > 2wire gateway 2701, if anyone has any information on this thing's dhcp or > dns i'd love to hear it, googling hasn't shown me how to change the > internal domain name. Thanks. > Dave. > > [snip] If you are talking about the server side you may take a look at /etc/ssh/sshd_config for the following: #ListenAddress 0.0.0.0 #ListenAddress :: ListenAddress 192.168.10.1 as in manually bind it particular interface(s) and comment out the wild cards. This is how I have mine and I don't get the IPv6 lookups. Could also be something else I've done and haven't realized it yet either. :-) -Mike From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Thu Jun 4 19:48:08 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Thu Jun 4 19:48:15 2009 Subject: ISP questions In-Reply-To: <677095.93819.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <677095.93819.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > "Your the only one who's found this problem, so we'll wait until the next version to patch this problem. It's just like my upstream network provider. When they have longer problems i heard "Sorry we working on this, you must be really unlucky, as nobody else have problems here". I asked few their other clients then - they heard exactly the same. From mel.flynn+fbsd.questions at mailing.thruhere.net Thu Jun 4 19:54:08 2009 From: mel.flynn+fbsd.questions at mailing.thruhere.net (Mel Flynn) Date: Thu Jun 4 19:54:15 2009 Subject: cups and ghostscript recursive dependency problem In-Reply-To: <87r5y00xt7.fsf@kobe.laptop> References: <200906041536.57120.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> <87r5y00xt7.fsf@kobe.laptop> Message-ID: <200906042154.04609.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> On Thursday 04 June 2009 18:27:00 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > PORTNAME= ghostscript8 > PORTVERSION= 8.64 > PORTREVISION= 5 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ \o/ Thanks for also respecting WITHOUT_CUPS since rev 3. -- Mel From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Thu Jun 4 19:54:48 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Thu Jun 4 19:55:00 2009 Subject: ISP questions In-Reply-To: <4A281AB8.5030004@cs.okstate.edu> References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <4A281AB8.5030004@cs.okstate.edu> Message-ID: > These responses don't surprise me. I'm actually impressed your rep knew > the numbers for the up/down bandwidth, even though their metric was It's just "marketing bandwidth" as most clients don't understand what it mean anyway, but just expect higher value that others for the same price. It's at most - top limit. Actually - such speed are never achievable unless you use it at 3:00 am. Sometimes never at all. Like local cable TV, they have 6 possible prices for internet access, called from 256kbps/64kbps to 10Mbps/2Mbps, actually you rarely see any difference and it's closest to lowest offer. But people like to hear this so they hear, and at least here marketing people know perfectly what to answer about "internet speed" as they call it :) From keramida at freebsd.org Thu Jun 4 19:56:19 2009 From: keramida at freebsd.org (Giorgos Keramidas) Date: Thu Jun 4 19:56:27 2009 Subject: cups and ghostscript recursive dependency problem In-Reply-To: <200906042154.04609.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> (Mel Flynn's message of "Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:54:04 +0200") References: <200906041536.57120.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> <87r5y00xt7.fsf@kobe.laptop> <200906042154.04609.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Message-ID: <87ws7r4vtw.fsf@kobe.laptop> On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:54:04 +0200, Mel Flynn wrote: > On Thursday 04 June 2009 18:27:00 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > >> PORTNAME= ghostscript8 >> PORTVERSION= 8.64 >> PORTREVISION= 5 >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > \o/ Thanks for also respecting WITHOUT_CUPS since rev 3. 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 195 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/attachments/20090604/ba39c2e1/attachment.pgp From mel.flynn+fbsd.questions at mailing.thruhere.net Thu Jun 4 20:05:59 2009 From: mel.flynn+fbsd.questions at mailing.thruhere.net (Mel Flynn) Date: Thu Jun 4 20:06:06 2009 Subject: [off-list] Re: Open_Source In-Reply-To: <4ad871310906031026h42cd5856i25d5d901004d353a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <200906031833.16554.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <4ad871310906031026h42cd5856i25d5d901004d353a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200906042205.55688.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> On Wednesday 03 June 2009 19:26:00 Glen Barber wrote: > Hi, Mel > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Mel Flynn > > wrote: > > On Tuesday 02 June 2009 17:12:28 madunix wrote: > >> 3- General experience with Open Source technology? > > > > Kinda getting fed up with the amount of trolling lately and loving Sieve. > > This thread had me worried at first that it would turn into another > wildfire... I'm happy it has not yet. Don't care about the tone. If people get angry on-topic, it's still relevant (like the hald frustration venting, Xorg 7+, etc). People should really learn to move off and semi-off broad-topic stuff to -chat or private discussions and it shouldn't need moderation, just maturity. -- Mel From dkelly at hiwaay.net Thu Jun 4 20:12:03 2009 From: dkelly at hiwaay.net (David Kelly) Date: Thu Jun 4 20:12:15 2009 Subject: about restarting services In-Reply-To: <97EA15DA433141609E65F89FF18FB033@softel.cu> References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <97EA15DA433141609E65F89FF18FB033@softel.cu> Message-ID: <20090604201151.GA658@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 09:40:16AM -0800, leonardo wrote: > hello everybody: > > I?m new to freeBSD, I want to know how I can restart the network services Start by creating a new email and addressing it to the list rather than Reply-To another and edit it down. The two are not the same. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From mel.flynn+fbsd.questions at mailing.thruhere.net Thu Jun 4 20:14:29 2009 From: mel.flynn+fbsd.questions at mailing.thruhere.net (Mel Flynn) Date: Thu Jun 4 20:14:37 2009 Subject: [off-list] Re: Open_Source In-Reply-To: <200906042205.55688.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906031026h42cd5856i25d5d901004d353a@mail.gmail.com> <200906042205.55688.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Message-ID: <200906042214.26243.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> On Thursday 04 June 2009 22:05:55 Mel Flynn wrote: > On Wednesday 03 June 2009 19:26:00 Glen Barber wrote: > > Hi, Mel > > > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Mel Flynn > > > > wrote: > > > On Tuesday 02 June 2009 17:12:28 madunix wrote: > > >> 3- General experience with Open Source technology? > > > > > > Kinda getting fed up with the amount of trolling lately and loving > > > Sieve. > > > > This thread had me worried at first that it would turn into another > > wildfire... I'm happy it has not yet. > > Don't care about the tone. If people get angry on-topic, it's still > relevant (like the hald frustration venting, Xorg 7+, etc). People should > really learn to move off and semi-off broad-topic stuff to -chat or private > discussions and it shouldn't need moderation, just maturity. k, so reply-to-all is really reply to list. My apologies, should've stayed off list. -- Mel From roberthuff at rcn.com Thu Jun 4 20:18:16 2009 From: roberthuff at rcn.com (Robert Huff) Date: Thu Jun 4 20:18:23 2009 Subject: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD In-Reply-To: References: <20090603235219.2e8abb8a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031700.45600.kirk@strauser.com> <20090604010054.a45f5880.freebsd@edvax.de> <8BA60025-A005-4E38-9D5E-A9C11AB3C17C@strauser.com> <20090604173535.984e32d6.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090604174510.GA32547@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Message-ID: <18984.11239.817035.710659@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Wojciech Puchar writes: > > Well, man pages are good at formally documenting the how > > of use, but they often are not so helpful on the why and > > wherefor of use. > > for me it's exactly for this - to know how and why to use. It is important to understand "man" is a _reference_, not a _tutorial_. It's great if you need to refresh your memory of the "q" flag, or check for exit codes, or check the order of parameters to the _fillintheblank() library call. But if you're trying to figure out how to do X, or even how to do X correctly using this object ... many of the pages can leave you with the feeling you're stupider than you actually are. Being a tutorial may not be what "man" was designed for. But until there's a designated and widely promoted text-only replacement it will be used as one. Robert Huff From fbsdq at peterk.org Thu Jun 4 20:27:20 2009 From: fbsdq at peterk.org (Peter) Date: Thu Jun 4 20:27:28 2009 Subject: /etc/hosts - how does that file work?? - was weird nfs issues. Message-ID: <5359c8a6e4fc10bf951a7ee095b0d29f.squirrel@webmail.pknet.net> > On Thursday 04 June 2009 20:48:21 Peter wrote: >> iH, >> This all started with NFS not mounting at boot....so, testing in VMs: > > > >> Why is ping using one IP, and ssh/mount_nfs/showmount using another IP from /etc/hosts? > > Q: Where is described that name resolution for A or PTR records should be > returned in a fixed order and that a consumer should always use the first > one > returned? > A: Nowhere. Name servers are encouraged to do round-robin returns if not specified otherwise. Applications may sort/pick at their own leisure. > > -- > Mel I do not think /etc/hosts does round robin, I always assumed first match wins...DNS/bind I would understand... Why does ping always return the 172.20.6.1 address, and ftp,nc,ssh,telnet,fetch _always_ uses the 116 address? I would assume at least sometimes it would hit the 172 address with anything besides ping - but it only ping hits the 172 address... If so, I'd guess there would be consistency between ping lookups and 'telnet/ssh/etc' lookups... Why if the 116.23.45.3 last octet is bumped up, everything _always_ returns the 172 address? client# grep server /etc/hosts 172.20.6.1 server.test server 116.23.45.5 server.test server client# telnet server Trying 172.20.6.1... telnet: connect to address 172.20.6.1: Connection refused Trying 116.23.45.5... /etc/hosts - 'server' changed to 116.23.45.3: client# telnet server Trying 116.23.45.3... telnet: connect to address 116.23.45.3: Operation timed out Trying 172.20.6.1... telnet: connect to address 172.20.6.1: Connection refused telnet: Unable to connect to remote host if server has ip>116.23.45.3, it always uses the 172 address first... but ping always uses the 172... even if third entry is added into /etc/hosts - nothing ever uses it as the first/primary IP. Is there an algorithm based on IP/program being used and the returned IP? From martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu Thu Jun 4 20:43:16 2009 From: martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Thu Jun 4 20:43:25 2009 Subject: The quest for linux-oracle-instantclient-sqlplus Message-ID: <200906042043.n54Kh05w003205@dc.cis.okstate.edu> I have run across a couple of other ports that required the acceptance of a software agreement and the process was relatively painless, but this one makes up for all that and then some. For hours today, I have been wading through the Oracle web site trying to connect the URL http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/tech/oci/instantclient/index.html with the agreement I must accept and the ultimate purpose of this so-far futile quest, the download of the zip file has yet to happen because of the utter triumph of form over function which is the state of the art of what passes for web design these days. I am limited to lynx or safari. Nothing else is an option right now. On the Mac, safari is the only browser that truly works with the screen reader known as VoiceOver. The lynx browser while it works perfectly with text-based standard input and output falls flat when confronted with scripting languages like javascript. Oddly enough, both lynx and safari work about the same way on this site. One uses the url that make tells you to use and then things just kind of go to pot in a confused jungle of marketing verbiage and links that are mostly inappropriate to the task at hand. Once, I actually saw the agreement, screen after screen of legalese and then discovered there was no button to click and no way out except to back up to the previous screen. I certainly hope that if I ever get this installed, it is worth wasting literally half a work day due to the IT equivalent of a dialog with an utter idiot. In this case, the idiot is the web site, not a specific person. I figured at this same time a couple of days ago, we'd have it installed and be testing to see if it meets our needs. The interesting thing about all this is that there has been a thread on this list about open source software. One comment I can make is that there is simply not these kinds of hassles. Commercial sites are too busy looking goo-oo-ood! to be useful much of the time. Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK Systems Engineer OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group From fbsd at brightstar.bomgardner.net Thu Jun 4 21:14:53 2009 From: fbsd at brightstar.bomgardner.net (Gene) Date: Thu Jun 4 21:15:00 2009 Subject: Wireless Woes (NDIS, WPA2) Message-ID: <20090604204438.M13014@brightstar.bomgardner.net> Hi All: I'm trying to get wireless working on a laptop. It works fine as long as no encryption is used, but if I try to use either WEP or WPA2, I ueem to always wind up with Status: No Carrier Any help greatly appreciated. _____________________- >From /etc/rc.conf: ifconfig_ndis0="WPA DHCP" >From wpa_supplicant.conf network={ ssid="northstar" psk="Passphrase here" } >From /var/log/messages ndis0: mem 0x88000000-0x8800ffff irq 5 at device 0.0 on cardbus0 ndis0: [ITHREAD] ndis0: NDIS API version: 5.1 NDIS: could not find file preparse.ini in linker list NDIS: and no filesystems mounted yet, aborting NdisOpenFile() NDIS: could not find file regAdd.txt in linker list NDIS: and no filesystems mounted yet, aborting NdisOpenFile() ndis0: WARNING: using obsoleted if_watchdog interface ndis0: Ethernet address: 00:18:39:17:28:35 And from ifconfig ndis0 scan: genesis# ifconfig ndis0 scan SSID BSSID CHAN RATE S:N INT CAPS northstar 00:21:91:de:3f:8d 1 54M -51:-96 100 EPS And finally from ifconfig ndis0: genesis# ifconfig ndiso ndis0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 ether 00:18:39:17:28:35 media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect status: no carrier ssid "" channel 1 (2412 Mhz 11b) authmode OPEN privacy OFF bmiss 7 scanvalid 60 roaming MANUAL bintval 0 ________________________ IHN, Gene -- To everything there is a season, And a time to every purpose under heaven. From kline at thought.org Thu Jun 4 21:16:44 2009 From: kline at thought.org (Gary Kline) Date: Thu Jun 4 21:16:52 2009 Subject: time to ask for help... . Message-ID: <20090604211637.GA4285@thought.org> Around 18 months ago when my network was disintegrating, one Jon Horne very thoughtfully came to my rescue and stuck with me until things were reorganized and then rebuilt. The way my site is now configured, my ISP (Qwest) baby-bell has its router connected to my pfSense firewall. The firewall computer connects to my FreeBSD server which handles my DNS, mail, and web. The server then fans out to my several desktops. This one, my laptop, my daughter's MacBook, and has a spare CAT5 for my wife's PC. At a minimum, I'd like to have CVS working on at least my server. While Jon Horne had no formal bg in comp sci, the guy is a net-wizard. Problem is, that I haven't been able to reach him by chat or email for a couple weeks. Before Xmas, '07, I used ipf and/or IPFW .... managed to catch and kill hundreds of kiddie-scripters trying to crack in. But with pfSense and how things are *now*, I'm in the dark. So any help willl be very welcome. tia, folks, gary PS: personal plug: a slice of my book is within my ~/.sig ... -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php From utisoft at googlemail.com Thu Jun 4 21:18:18 2009 From: utisoft at googlemail.com (Chris Rees) Date: Thu Jun 4 21:18:26 2009 Subject: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD In-Reply-To: <20090604210006.GA33278@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <20090604173535.984e32d6.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090604174510.GA32547@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <18984.11239.817035.710659@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20090604210006.GA33278@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Message-ID: 2009/6/4 Jerry McAllister : > On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 04:17:43PM -0400, Robert Huff wrote: > >> >> Wojciech Puchar writes: >> >> > ?> Well, man pages are good at formally documenting the how >> > ?> of use, but they often are not so helpful on the why and >> > ?> wherefor of use. >> > >> > ?for me it's exactly for this - to know how and why to use. >> >> ? ? ? It is important to understand "man" is a _reference_, not a >> _tutorial_. ?It's great if you need to refresh your memory of the > > Yes, I know. ? That is why some other additional for is also useful. > I don't really propose changing man, but do often wish for some other > form. ?Info does that a little, but still is often inadequate for > some comprehension of the why and wherefor of something that I > have never mucked with. > > I am not sure a 'tutorial' is it either because they tend to take a > person through a couple of particular tasks using the item in > question, but still not discuss much of the why and wherefor. > > ////jerry > > >> "q" flag, or check for exit codes, or check the order of parameters >> to the _fillintheblank() library call. ?But if you're trying to >> figure out how to do X, or even how to do X correctly using this >> object ... many of the pages can leave you with the feeling you're >> stupider than you actually are. >> ? ? ? Being a tutorial may not be what "man" was designed for. ?But >> until there's a designated and widely promoted text-only replacement >> it will be used as one. >> >> >> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Robert Huff >> > Info is horrible to use as a quick reference, because as Polytropon said earlier, you can't just dive in to get something specific. The info is split into (arbitrary????) sections, through which you have to tread, and jump around hyperlinks all over. But then I've never really got on with lynx, either. Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From jhelfman at e-e.com Thu Jun 4 21:55:25 2009 From: jhelfman at e-e.com (Jason Helfman) Date: Thu Jun 4 21:57:10 2009 Subject: openoffice.org-3 compiling issue Message-ID: <20090604211248.GA34388@eggman.experts-exchange.com> Hello, Newbie to FreeBSD here, however I have been studying like a madman, running it on my desktop, and administering systems on a daily basis so I've learned quiet a bit recently. I am trying to install openoffice.org-3 port, and am receiving the following error. 1 module(s): openssl need(s) to be rebuilt Reason(s): ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/BEB300_m3/openssl Attention: if you build and deliver the above module(s) you may prolongue your the build issuing command "build --from openssl" *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3. At first I received this error, I was running -j5 with my make command, but after removing that I managed to get pass the initial error that included icu and ssl issues. All posts that look similar to the error I am having, have no replies to them. Thanks, Jason From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Thu Jun 4 22:06:09 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Thu Jun 4 22:06:15 2009 Subject: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD In-Reply-To: <18984.11239.817035.710659@jerusalem.litteratus.org> References: <20090603235219.2e8abb8a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031700.45600.kirk@strauser.com> <20090604010054.a45f5880.freebsd@edvax.de> <8BA60025-A005-4E38-9D5E-A9C11AB3C17C@strauser.com> <20090604173535.984e32d6.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090604174510.GA32547@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <18984.11239.817035.710659@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Message-ID: > > It is important to understand "man" is a _reference_, not a > _tutorial_. It's great if you need to refresh your memory of the Handbook is a tutorial. And looking at files in /bin, /sbin/ etc.. and doing man was my way of learning unix years ago. > to the _fillintheblank() library call. But if you're trying to > figure out how to do X, or even how to do X correctly using this > object ... many of the pages can leave you with the feeling you're > stupider than you actually are. man Xorg man xorg.conf what's wrong? > until there's a designated and widely promoted text-only replacement text-only is important. Xorg is not part of FreeBSD, not always work, may be not wanted in many cases and finally .. there are no need for any graphics to read text From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Thu Jun 4 22:07:11 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Thu Jun 4 22:07:17 2009 Subject: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD In-Reply-To: <20090604210006.GA33278@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <8BA60025-A005-4E38-9D5E-A9C11AB3C17C@strauser.com> <20090604173535.984e32d6.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090604174510.GA32547@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <18984.11239.817035.710659@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20090604210006.GA33278@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Message-ID: > I am not sure a 'tutorial' is it either because they tend to take a > person through a couple of particular tasks using the item in > question, but still not discuss much of the why and wherefor. What's wrong in FreeBSD handbook and many different paper books available about unix? Actually not that many, but still there are available about design of unix. There is no need for "FreeBSD book" as long as books about unix exists, and there is FreeBSD handbook. From nightrecon at verizon.net Thu Jun 4 22:12:41 2009 From: nightrecon at verizon.net (Michael Powell) Date: Thu Jun 4 22:12:48 2009 Subject: The quest for linux-oracle-instantclient-sqlplus References: <200906042043.n54Kh05w003205@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Message-ID: Martin McCormick wrote: > I have run across a couple of other ports that required the > acceptance of a software agreement and the process was > relatively painless, but this one makes up for all that and then > some. > > For hours today, I have been wading through the Oracle > web site trying to connect the URL > http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/tech/oci/instantclient/index.html > > with the agreement I must accept and the ultimate purpose of > this so-far futile quest, the download of the zip file > has yet to happen because of the utter triumph of form over > function which is the state of the art of what passes for web > design these days. > > I am limited to lynx or safari. Nothing else is an > option right now. On the Mac, safari is the only browser that > truly works with the screen reader known as VoiceOver. The lynx > browser while it works perfectly with text-based standard input > and output falls flat when confronted with scripting languages > like javascript. > > Oddly enough, both lynx and safari work about the same > way on this site. One uses the url that make tells you to use > and then things just kind of go to pot in a confused jungle of > marketing verbiage and links that are mostly inappropriate to the > task at hand. > > Once, I actually saw the agreement, screen after screen > of legalese and then discovered there was no button to click and > no way out except to back up to the previous screen. > > I certainly hope that if I ever get this installed, it is worth > wasting literally half a work day due to the IT equivalent of a > dialog with an utter idiot. In this case, the idiot is the web > site, not a specific person. > > I figured at this same time a couple of days ago, we'd > have it installed and be testing to see if it meets our needs. > > The interesting thing about all this is that there has > been a thread on this list about open source software. One > comment I can make is that there is simply not these kinds of > hassles. Commercial sites are too busy looking goo-oo-ood! to be > useful much of the time. > This is one of the worst I have seen to date. Click here: http://members.verizon.net/nightrecon/instantclient-sqlplus- linux32-10.2.0.3-20061115.zip Copy to /usr/ports/distfiles/oracle/ directory. Good luck to you. -Mike From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Thu Jun 4 22:14:12 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Thu Jun 4 22:14:23 2009 Subject: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD In-Reply-To: <20090604220929.GA33626@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <20090604173535.984e32d6.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090604174510.GA32547@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <18984.11239.817035.710659@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20090604210006.GA33278@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20090604220929.GA33626@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Message-ID: >> What's wrong in FreeBSD handbook and many different paper books available >> about unix? Actually not that many, but still there are available about >> design of unix. > > FreeBSD is really much more than the base OS. > Even though it is divided in to base and ports, it is really all > of them together. port subsystem, but not ported programs. The same way as eg. Corel Draw isn't part of micro-soft windows From nightrecon at verizon.net Thu Jun 4 22:20:26 2009 From: nightrecon at verizon.net (Michael Powell) Date: Thu Jun 4 22:20:33 2009 Subject: The quest for linux-oracle-instantclient-sqlplus References: <200906042043.n54Kh05w003205@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Message-ID: Michael Powell wrote: > Martin McCormick wrote: > >> I have run across a couple of other ports that required the >> acceptance of a software agreement and the process was >> relatively painless, but this one makes up for all that and then >> some. >> >> For hours today, I have been wading through the Oracle >> web site trying to connect the URL >> > http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/tech/oci/instantclient/index.html >> [snip] > Arghh! Wordwrapping broke it as a link. Try, try, and try again. Sigh Click here: http://members.verizon.net/nightrecon/instantclient-sqlplus-linux32-10.2.0.3-20061115.zip Hope this helps. -Mike From jerrymc at msu.edu Thu Jun 4 21:02:29 2009 From: jerrymc at msu.edu (Jerry McAllister) Date: Thu Jun 4 22:39:11 2009 Subject: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD In-Reply-To: <18984.11239.817035.710659@jerusalem.litteratus.org> References: <8BA60025-A005-4E38-9D5E-A9C11AB3C17C@strauser.com> <20090604173535.984e32d6.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090604174510.GA32547@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <18984.11239.817035.710659@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Message-ID: <20090604210006.GA33278@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 04:17:43PM -0400, Robert Huff wrote: > > Wojciech Puchar writes: > > > > Well, man pages are good at formally documenting the how > > > of use, but they often are not so helpful on the why and > > > wherefor of use. > > > > for me it's exactly for this - to know how and why to use. > > It is important to understand "man" is a _reference_, not a > _tutorial_. It's great if you need to refresh your memory of the Yes, I know. That is why some other additional for is also useful. I don't really propose changing man, but do often wish for some other form. Info does that a little, but still is often inadequate for some comprehension of the why and wherefor of something that I have never mucked with. I am not sure a 'tutorial' is it either because they tend to take a person through a couple of particular tasks using the item in question, but still not discuss much of the why and wherefor. ////jerry > "q" flag, or check for exit codes, or check the order of parameters > to the _fillintheblank() library call. But if you're trying to > figure out how to do X, or even how to do X correctly using this > object ... many of the pages can leave you with the feeling you're > stupider than you actually are. > Being a tutorial may not be what "man" was designed for. But > until there's a designated and widely promoted text-only replacement > it will be used as one. > > > Robert Huff > From freebsd at edvax.de Thu Jun 4 21:16:18 2009 From: freebsd at edvax.de (Polytropon) Date: Thu Jun 4 22:39:27 2009 Subject: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD In-Reply-To: <20090604210006.GA33278@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <8BA60025-A005-4E38-9D5E-A9C11AB3C17C@strauser.com> <20090604173535.984e32d6.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090604174510.GA32547@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <18984.11239.817035.710659@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20090604210006.GA33278@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Message-ID: <20090604231605.aa62473b.freebsd@edvax.de> On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:00:06 -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote: > Yes, I know. That is why some other additional for is also useful. > I don't really propose changing man, but do often wish for some other > form. Many programs contain an EXAMPLES section in the man page. Further documentation often is supplied in /usr/local/share/doc and /usr/local/share/examples - available locally. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From jerrymc at msu.edu Thu Jun 4 21:52:24 2009 From: jerrymc at msu.edu (Jerry McAllister) Date: Thu Jun 4 22:48:50 2009 Subject: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD In-Reply-To: <20090604231605.aa62473b.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20090604173535.984e32d6.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090604174510.GA32547@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <18984.11239.817035.710659@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20090604210006.GA33278@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20090604231605.aa62473b.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: <20090604215003.GA33497@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 11:16:05PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:00:06 -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote: > > Yes, I know. That is why some other additional for is also useful. > > I don't really propose changing man, but do often wish for some other > > form. > > Many programs contain an EXAMPLES section in the man page. > Further documentation often is supplied in /usr/local/share/doc > and /usr/local/share/examples - available locally. Something that is helpful in understanding the formal language of the man page, and should be done more. But it is not quite a why and wherefor. ////jerry > > -- > Polytropon > From Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From jerrymc at msu.edu Thu Jun 4 22:11:50 2009 From: jerrymc at msu.edu (Jerry McAllister) Date: Thu Jun 4 22:49:02 2009 Subject: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD In-Reply-To: References: <20090604173535.984e32d6.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090604174510.GA32547@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <18984.11239.817035.710659@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20090604210006.GA33278@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Message-ID: <20090604220929.GA33626@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 12:06:55AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >I am not sure a 'tutorial' is it either because they tend to take a > >person through a couple of particular tasks using the item in > >question, but still not discuss much of the why and wherefor. > > What's wrong in FreeBSD handbook and many different paper books available > about unix? Actually not that many, but still there are available about > design of unix. FreeBSD is really much more than the base OS. Even though it is divided in to base and ports, it is really all of them together. ////jerry > > There is no need for "FreeBSD book" as long as books about unix exists, > and there is FreeBSD handbook. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From freebsd at edvax.de Thu Jun 4 22:35:15 2009 From: freebsd at edvax.de (Polytropon) Date: Thu Jun 4 22:49:21 2009 Subject: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD In-Reply-To: References: <20090603235219.2e8abb8a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031700.45600.kirk@strauser.com> <20090604010054.a45f5880.freebsd@edvax.de> <8BA60025-A005-4E38-9D5E-A9C11AB3C17C@strauser.com> <20090604173535.984e32d6.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090604174510.GA32547@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <18984.11239.817035.710659@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Message-ID: <20090605003511.cc2a1e3c.freebsd@edvax.de> On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 00:04:19 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > text-only is important. > > Xorg is not part of FreeBSD, not always work, may be not wanted in many > cases and finally .. there are no need for any graphics to read text maybe it's worth emphasizing that manpages in the "text only" form are the best solution for users with disabilities. A blind user can easily browse (read through) a manpage on his Braille output system, or have it read to him with a speech synthesizer. Because the text in the manpage is continous (no subsectioning and branching across different documents), the flow of reading is much easier and requires less interaction. The "text only" method describes how things ARE, not how things LOOK LIKE, which seems to be the common way of "modern documenting" using screenshots that show pictures of a screen, and you need many of those pictures to describe a certain process, which often makes it look like a children's book. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Thu Jun 4 23:08:39 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Thu Jun 4 23:08:45 2009 Subject: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD In-Reply-To: <20090605003511.cc2a1e3c.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20090603235219.2e8abb8a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031700.45600.kirk@strauser.com> <20090604010054.a45f5880.freebsd@edvax.de> <8BA60025-A005-4E38-9D5E-A9C11AB3C17C@strauser.com> <20090604173535.984e32d6.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090604174510.GA32547@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <18984.11239.817035.710659@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20090605003511.cc2a1e3c.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: >> cases and finally .. there are no need for any graphics to read text > > maybe it's worth emphasizing that manpages in the "text only" > form are the best solution for users with disabilities. I actually know a blind man. But he has to use windoze+putty to be able to use FreeBSD - because textreader software works only that way. There are no braile style text terminals IMHO. > The "text only" method describes how things ARE, not how things > LOOK LIKE, which seems to be the common way of "modern documenting" The funny things in today GUI's are situation like buttons with text AND icons. Looks like micro-soft and friends do really care of third-world people. When someone can't read, he/she have icon to help. From onemda at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 23:18:43 2009 From: onemda at gmail.com (Paul B. Mahol) Date: Thu Jun 4 23:18:51 2009 Subject: Wireless Woes (NDIS, WPA2) In-Reply-To: <20090604204438.M13014@brightstar.bomgardner.net> References: <20090604204438.M13014@brightstar.bomgardner.net> Message-ID: <3a142e750906041618n132196e8y638e12aabf27453@mail.gmail.com> On 6/4/09, Gene wrote: > Hi All: > > I'm trying to get wireless working on a laptop. It works fine as long as no > encryption is used, but if I try to use either WEP or WPA2, I ueem to always > wind up with > > Status: No Carrier > > Any help greatly appreciated. > _____________________- > > >From /etc/rc.conf: > > ifconfig_ndis0="WPA DHCP" > > >From wpa_supplicant.conf > > network={ > ssid="northstar" > psk="Passphrase here" > } > > >From /var/log/messages > > ndis0: mem 0x88000000-0x8800ffff > irq > 5 at device 0.0 on cardbus0 > ndis0: [ITHREAD] > ndis0: NDIS API version: 5.1 > NDIS: could not find file preparse.ini in linker list > NDIS: and no filesystems mounted yet, aborting NdisOpenFile() > NDIS: could not find file regAdd.txt in linker list > NDIS: and no filesystems mounted yet, aborting NdisOpenFile() > > ndis0: WARNING: using obsoleted if_watchdog interface > ndis0: Ethernet address: 00:18:39:17:28:35 > > And from ifconfig ndis0 scan: > > genesis# ifconfig ndis0 scan > > SSID BSSID CHAN RATE S:N INT CAPS > northstar 00:21:91:de:3f:8d 1 54M -51:-96 100 EPS > > And finally from ifconfig ndis0: > > genesis# ifconfig ndiso > > ndis0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 > ether 00:18:39:17:28:35 > media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect > status: no carrier > ssid "" channel 1 (2412 Mhz 11b) > authmode OPEN privacy OFF bmiss 7 scanvalid 60 roaming MANUAL > bintval 0 > > ________________________ > > IHN, > Gene > > -- > To everything there is a season, > And a time to every purpose under heaven. > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Look in output from wpa_supplicant using -d switch for information about possible misconfiguration. # wpa_supplicant -d -Dndis -iwlan0 -cMY_CONF.FILE -- Paul From bernt at bah.homeip.net Thu Jun 4 23:27:00 2009 From: bernt at bah.homeip.net (Bernt Hansson) Date: Thu Jun 4 23:27:08 2009 Subject: ISP questions In-Reply-To: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A28582C.7040600@bah.homeip.net> Mark Hartkemeyer said the following on 2009-06-04 18:23: > I'm pretty new to FreeBSD and was reading part of Greg Lehey's The > Complete FreeBSD 4th Edition. I found the section on ISPs in chapter > 18 really interesting. I put some of his recommended questions to my > ISP, Cincinnati Bell's Zoomtown. I think I talked to three or four > people before I even got some of them answered. > > Here are some of the questions and answers: > > 1. What speed connections do you offer? > 5MBps upload/5MBps download (she said bytes, but should it be bits?) > 768kBps My isp have up to 1Gbyte/s costs 1000SEK a month > 2. Can you supply a static IP address? At what cost? > Yes, $49.95/month for the whole Internet package Yes 50SEK a month > 3. How many hops are there to the backbone? > "It depends on the site you're trying to reach." (I think they > misunderstood what I meant by "backbone"?) No answer > 4. What kind of hardware and software are you running? > "Can't provide this, due to security reasons." Sun and solaris + linux > 5. Can you supply primary or secondary DNS for me? > "You need a static IP." No. Do it yourself. > 6. Can you provide name registration? At what cost? > "Talk to residential services." No > 7. Do you give complete access to the Internet, or do you block some ports? > "Cannot provide this info, due to security reasons." After > asking, I was told that I would be able to run a mail server and http > server on my connection. Outgoing port 25, 137-139 closed. Incoming port 137-139, 445 closed > 8. Do you have complete reverse DNS? > (They didn't know.) Yes. > I assume this is a pretty typical response from ISPs. Has anyone > asked their ISP questions like these? If so, what kind of response > did you get? Does anyone know of a really good ISP, or a good > resource for finding a good ISP around Cincinnati, OH? > > Thanks, > Mark Hartkemeyer From freebsd at edvax.de Thu Jun 4 23:30:36 2009 From: freebsd at edvax.de (Polytropon) Date: Thu Jun 4 23:30:42 2009 Subject: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD In-Reply-To: References: <20090603235219.2e8abb8a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031700.45600.kirk@strauser.com> <20090604010054.a45f5880.freebsd@edvax.de> <8BA60025-A005-4E38-9D5E-A9C11AB3C17C@strauser.com> <20090604173535.984e32d6.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090604174510.GA32547@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <18984.11239.817035.710659@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20090605003511.cc2a1e3c.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: <20090605013027.61a2b8d6.freebsd@edvax.de> On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 01:08:28 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > I actually know a blind man. But he has to use windoze+putty to be able to > use FreeBSD - because textreader software works only that way. > > There are no braile style text terminals IMHO. I've seen them, used in conjunction with DOS. But that was many years ago. They hooked somewhere into the GPU's output pipeline (after the GPU, prior to the CRT). A slider on the side allowed to select which text lines to put on Braille, one or two lines. 1234567890 QWERTZUIOP ABCDEFGHKL ----+ up/down YXCVBNM,.- | | :.:..:.:.: <---+ The Braille output was 1x80 or 2x80. For outputs with less colums, 1x40 or 2x40, an additional horizontal slider was added. -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Thu Jun 4 23:35:39 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Thu Jun 4 23:35:52 2009 Subject: ISP questions In-Reply-To: <4A28582C.7040600@bah.homeip.net> References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <4A28582C.7040600@bah.homeip.net> Message-ID: >> 5MBps upload/5MBps download (she said bytes, but should it be bits?) >> 768kBps > > My isp have up to 1Gbyte/s costs 1000SEK a month 1Gbyte/s? it's 10Gbit/s What card do you use to connect? >> server on my connection. > > Outgoing port 25, 137-139 closed. Incoming port 137-139, 445 closed So it's not full internet service unless it can unblock it on request. From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Thu Jun 4 23:35:43 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Thu Jun 4 23:35:53 2009 Subject: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD In-Reply-To: <20090605013027.61a2b8d6.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20090603235219.2e8abb8a.freebsd@edvax.de> <200906031700.45600.kirk@strauser.com> <20090604010054.a45f5880.freebsd@edvax.de> <8BA60025-A005-4E38-9D5E-A9C11AB3C17C@strauser.com> <20090604173535.984e32d6.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090604174510.GA32547@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <18984.11239.817035.710659@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20090605003511.cc2a1e3c.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090605013027.61a2b8d6.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: > The Braille output was 1x80 or 2x80. For outputs with less > colums, 1x40 or 2x40, an additional horizontal slider was > added. RS-232 connected braile terminal would be THAT SIMPLE. Really nobody wanted to make money....incredible. From kline at thought.org Fri Jun 5 00:50:35 2009 From: kline at thought.org (Gary Kline) Date: Fri Jun 5 00:50:45 2009 Subject: Network help needed (was: Re: time to ask for help... .) In-Reply-To: <20090604211637.GA4285@thought.org> References: <20090604211637.GA4285@thought.org> Message-ID: <20090605005030.GB4912@thought.org> On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 02:16:39PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > Around 18 months ago when my network was disintegrating, one Jon Horne > very thoughtfully came to my rescue and stuck with me until things were > reorganized and then rebuilt. The way my site is now configured, my ISP > (Qwest) baby-bell has its router connected to my pfSense firewall. The > firewall computer connects to my FreeBSD server which handles my DNS, > mail, and web. The server then fans out to my several desktops. This > one, my laptop, my daughter's MacBook, and has a spare CAT5 for my wife's > PC. > > At a minimum, I'd like to have CVS working on at least my server. While > Jon Horne had no formal bg in comp sci, the guy is a net-wizard. Problem > is, that I haven't been able to reach him by chat or email for a couple > weeks. > > Before Xmas, '07, I used ipf and/or IPFW .... managed to catch and kill > hundreds of kiddie-scripters trying to crack in. But with pfSense and > how things are *now*, I'm in the dark. So any help willl be very welcome. > > tia, folks, > > gary > > PS: personal plug: a slice of my book is within my ~/.sig ... with red face: the php code that was messed up fixed. this is the LAST Time i;ll touch the bloody thing... . -g > > -- > Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix > http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org > For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php The 4.91a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php From bernt at bah.homeip.net Fri Jun 5 00:51:17 2009 From: bernt at bah.homeip.net (Bernt Hansson) Date: Fri Jun 5 00:51:25 2009 Subject: ISP questions In-Reply-To: References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <4A28582C.7040600@bah.homeip.net> Message-ID: <4A286BED.1020300@bah.homeip.net> Wojciech Puchar said the following on 2009-06-05 01:34: >>> 5MBps upload/5MBps download (she said bytes, but should it be bits?) >>> 768kBps >> >> My isp have up to 1Gbyte/s costs 1000SEK a month > > 1Gbyte/s? Yes. > it's 10Gbit/s No. > What card do you use to connect? A netgear 310fx I only have a 100mb/s >>> server on my connection. >> >> Outgoing port 25, 137-139 closed. Incoming port 137-139, 445 closed > > So it's not full internet service unless it can unblock it on request. You can't. But I have a real connection which does not (yet) block the ports. From bernt at bah.homeip.net Fri Jun 5 00:55:05 2009 From: bernt at bah.homeip.net (Bernt Hansson) Date: Fri Jun 5 00:55:14 2009 Subject: ISP questions In-Reply-To: References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <4A28582C.7040600@bah.homeip.net> Message-ID: <4A286CD1.9090605@bah.homeip.net> NB this is a residential ISP I'm writing about. Wojciech Puchar said the following on 2009-06-05 01:34: >>> 5MBps upload/5MBps download (she said bytes, but should it be bits?) >>> 768kBps >> >> My isp have up to 1Gbyte/s costs 1000SEK a month > > 1Gbyte/s? it's 10Gbit/s > What card do you use to connect? > >>> server on my connection. >> >> Outgoing port 25, 137-139 closed. Incoming port 137-139, 445 closed > > So it's not full internet service unless it can unblock it on request. > > From llc2w at virginia.edu Fri Jun 5 02:49:15 2009 From: llc2w at virginia.edu (L Campbell) Date: Fri Jun 5 02:49:22 2009 Subject: Lighttpd wedged and ignoring SIGKILL Message-ID: <792298050906041925g11d7c519k48e6d392be6c6471@mail.gmail.com> As a fore-note, I'm not subscribed to this list, so please CC me :) I was just tweaking a php.ini file and restarted Lighttpd (via rc.d). The rc script was taking forever to stop it (was waiting for the process to terminate). After a couple minutes, I got impatient and killed the rc script with ^C and issued a `killall -9 lighttpd`. Much to my surprise, this didn't have any effect (and neither did kill -9 with the PID). top showed lighttpd with the unchanging PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND 85542 www 1 51 0 102M 85360K CPU6 6 16:34 100.00% lighttpd Basically, wedged on CPU6. root@tomoyo> uname -a FreeBSD tomoyo 7.1-RELEASE-p5 FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE-p5 #0: Mon Apr 27 16:58:17 UTC 2009 bsdadmin@tomoyo:/usr/src/sys/amd64/compile/TOMOYO amd64 Using SMP and SCHED_ULE. I "resolved" the issue by rebooting the machine. I guess my questions are twofold: 1) Should this be possible? What is going on here? 2) If this happens again, how should it be resolved? What diagnostics can I run to further diagnose the problem? Thanks a bunch for any help (and don't forget to CC me!) From martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu Fri Jun 5 03:05:31 2009 From: martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Fri Jun 5 03:05:54 2009 Subject: The quest for linux-oracle-instantclient-sqlplus Message-ID: <200906050224.n552O2Cg081876@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Michael Powell writes: > Arghh! Wordwrapping broke it as a link. Try, try, and try again. Sigh > > Click here: Thanks so much. I did catch the word wrap on the first link and it worked. As I wrote you off list, there is a dependancy that requires yet another trip through insanity to retrieve that file also. From fbsd1 at a1poweruser.com Fri Jun 5 03:13:32 2009 From: fbsd1 at a1poweruser.com (Fbsd1) Date: Fri Jun 5 03:13:44 2009 Subject: pkg_deinstall: "delete all packages installed, except for X, Y and Z" In-Reply-To: References: <4A27A7C4.20803@a1poweruser.com> Message-ID: <4A288D41.1010306@a1poweruser.com> Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> ignore errors about package can't be deleted because X, Y or Z >>> requires it. it's exactly what you want. >>> >>> >> pkg_delete `cat /tmp/pkglist` gives error 'no such package `cat >> /tmp/pkglist` installed >> >> > for sure you used ' instead of ` > Yet that was the error. I did not know there was another type of quote key on the keyboard. The one used in the example is below the Esc key. From modulok at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 03:34:44 2009 From: modulok at gmail.com (Modulok) Date: Fri Jun 5 03:34:52 2009 Subject: ISP questions In-Reply-To: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <64c038660906042034v43b340c6jf1e001ac9941f1f6@mail.gmail.com> On 6/4/09, Mark Hartkemeyer wrote: > I'm pretty new to FreeBSD and was reading part of Greg Lehey's The > Complete FreeBSD 4th Edition. I found the section on ISPs in chapter > 18 really interesting. I put some of his recommended questions to my > ISP, Cincinnati Bell's Zoomtown. I think I talked to three or four > people before I even got some of them answered. > > Here are some of the questions and answers: > > 1. What speed connections do you offer? > 5MBps upload/5MBps download (she said bytes, but should it be bits?) > 768kBps > > 2. Can you supply a static IP address? At what cost? > Yes, $49.95/month for the whole Internet package > > 3. How many hops are there to the backbone? > "It depends on the site you're trying to reach." (I think they > misunderstood what I meant by "backbone"?) > > 4. What kind of hardware and software are you running? > "Can't provide this, due to security reasons." > > 5. Can you supply primary or secondary DNS for me? > "You need a static IP." > > 6. Can you provide name registration? At what cost? > "Talk to residential services." > > 7. Do you give complete access to the Internet, or do you block some ports? > "Cannot provide this info, due to security reasons." After > asking, I was told that I would be able to run a mail server and http > server on my connection. > > 8. Do you have complete reverse DNS? > (They didn't know.) > > I assume this is a pretty typical response from ISPs. Has anyone > asked their ISP questions like these? If so, what kind of response > did you get? Does anyone know of a really good ISP, or a good > resource for finding a good ISP around Cincinnati, OH? > > Thanks, > Mark Hartkemeyer While it sounds pretty bad, I think my ISP takes the cake: - Regardless of the problem, their solution is to unplug the cable modem, wait 30 seconds and plug it back in and hope for the best. - When faced with questions such as, "Do you guys need advanced notice if I change my ethernet (MAC) address?" They inform me that my IP address is static and I should not change it. (I spoofed the MAC address. It would have taken years on hold for htem to understand.) - When I ask them why I have no connection, they go through the unplug-routine again. I later find out that their service was down for half the state, but technical support wasn't informed of the outage. - One time I called after they had switched to a new phone system. I could hear technical support, but they couldn't hear me: "Technical Support, this is Kathy. How may I help you?" "Are you guys having trouble on your end? My connection just bit the dust." "Sir?" "Yes, what?" "Sir are you there?" "Umm...yeah. I'm right here, Kathy. Hello!" "*click*" - I never get the bandwidth I pay for, because they oversold their service. - The guys who wired my location took the most illogical approach possible. There is probably 500 extra feet of cable that just wraps around the building from one end to the other. - When they showed up to install a lighting arrestor, I had to provide them with tools, because they forgot to bring any. (They forgot to bring tools!) - My service was inexplicably cancelled one day, despite me never being offline. So when I had problems a week later, I was told I didn't have an account with them. This took four hours on the telephone (Four freaking hours! Mostly on hold.) to clear up. I think signing up for a new account would have been less painful. Perhaps I should have just not said anything and waited to see if I was still receiving a bill. - They always ask me to 'go to the start menu', despite the fact I'm running FreeBSD. One support person didn't know what an operating system was: "Sir, I need you to go to the start menu..." "I'm not on Windows. What is it you're looking for?" "Sir?" "I'm not using Windows. I'm using FreeBSD." "Free what?" "FreeBSD, it's an operating system." "What's an operating system?" "..." *Oh my God* "Sir are you there?" "Yeah, I'm there. I'm in the Windows control panel. Please proceed." We're pretty rural here, so unless I go with a high latency satellite connection, they're the only game in town. Maybe I should start my own ISP. It couldn't be any worse. Despite frustrations try to remember, it's not the tech support people's fault. They're just there 8-5 trying to make rent and pay for their kids dental. If you want to blame somebody, blame management. Best of luck with your troubles. You're not alone! -Modulok- From itsemu at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 04:10:43 2009 From: itsemu at gmail.com (itsemu) Date: Fri Jun 5 04:11:16 2009 Subject: ISP questions In-Reply-To: <64c038660906042034v43b340c6jf1e001ac9941f1f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <64c038660906042034v43b340c6jf1e001ac9941f1f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: if your dealing with a isp such as a cable/dsl company, remember the requirements to work there, they arent trained on anything besides windows.. probably dont really know what a static ip is or have any idea what hardware each different county they are supporting has in there headend because its all different, reverse dns will probably be a waste of ip space because of the way its assigned in classes and i seriously doubt they will do it via a ticket if its not that way. named registration if im catching that right godaddys probably going to be cheaper maybe im wrong who knows.. On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 11:34 PM, Modulok wrote: > On 6/4/09, Mark Hartkemeyer wrote: > > I'm pretty new to FreeBSD and was reading part of Greg Lehey's The > > Complete FreeBSD 4th Edition. I found the section on ISPs in chapter > > 18 really interesting. I put some of his recommended questions to my > > ISP, Cincinnati Bell's Zoomtown. I think I talked to three or four > > people before I even got some of them answered. > > > > Here are some of the questions and answers: > > > > 1. What speed connections do you offer? > > 5MBps upload/5MBps download (she said bytes, but should it be bits?) > > 768kBps > > > > 2. Can you supply a static IP address? At what cost? > > Yes, $49.95/month for the whole Internet package > > > > 3. How many hops are there to the backbone? > > "It depends on the site you're trying to reach." (I think they > > misunderstood what I meant by "backbone"?) > > > > 4. What kind of hardware and software are you running? > > "Can't provide this, due to security reasons." > > > > 5. Can you supply primary or secondary DNS for me? > > "You need a static IP." > > > > 6. Can you provide name registration? At what cost? > > "Talk to residential services." > > > > 7. Do you give complete access to the Internet, or do you block some > ports? > > "Cannot provide this info, due to security reasons." After > > asking, I was told that I would be able to run a mail server and http > > server on my connection. > > > > 8. Do you have complete reverse DNS? > > (They didn't know.) > > > > I assume this is a pretty typical response from ISPs. Has anyone > > asked their ISP questions like these? If so, what kind of response > > did you get? Does anyone know of a really good ISP, or a good > > resource for finding a good ISP around Cincinnati, OH? > > > > Thanks, > > Mark Hartkemeyer > > While it sounds pretty bad, I think my ISP takes the cake: > > - Regardless of the problem, their solution is to unplug the cable > modem, wait 30 seconds and plug it back in and hope for the best. > > - When faced with questions such as, "Do you guys need advanced notice > if I change my ethernet (MAC) address?" They inform me that my IP > address is static and I should not change it. (I spoofed the MAC > address. It would have taken years on hold for htem to understand.) > > - When I ask them why I have no connection, they go through the > unplug-routine again. I later find out that their service was down for > half the state, but technical support wasn't informed of the outage. > > - One time I called after they had switched to a new phone system. I > could hear technical support, but they couldn't hear me: > > "Technical Support, this is Kathy. How may I help you?" > "Are you guys having trouble on your end? My connection just bit the dust." > "Sir?" > "Yes, what?" > "Sir are you there?" > "Umm...yeah. I'm right here, Kathy. Hello!" > "*click*" > > - I never get the bandwidth I pay for, because they oversold their service. > > - The guys who wired my location took the most illogical approach > possible. There is probably 500 extra feet of cable that just wraps > around the building from one end to the other. > > - When they showed up to install a lighting arrestor, I had to provide > them with tools, because they forgot to bring any. (They forgot to > bring tools!) > > - My service was inexplicably cancelled one day, despite me never > being offline. So when I had problems a week later, I was told I > didn't have an account with them. This took four hours on the > telephone (Four freaking hours! Mostly on hold.) to clear up. I think > signing up for a new account would have been less painful. Perhaps I > should have just not said anything and waited to see if I was still > receiving a bill. > > - They always ask me to 'go to the start menu', despite the fact I'm > running FreeBSD. One support person didn't know what an operating > system was: > > "Sir, I need you to go to the start menu..." > "I'm not on Windows. What is it you're looking for?" > "Sir?" > "I'm not using Windows. I'm using FreeBSD." > "Free what?" > "FreeBSD, it's an operating system." > "What's an operating system?" > "..." *Oh my God* > "Sir are you there?" > "Yeah, I'm there. I'm in the Windows control panel. Please proceed." > > We're pretty rural here, so unless I go with a high latency satellite > connection, they're the only game in town. Maybe I should start my own > ISP. It couldn't be any worse. > > Despite frustrations try to remember, it's not the tech support > people's fault. They're just there 8-5 trying to make rent and pay for > their kids dental. If you want to blame somebody, blame management. > > Best of luck with your troubles. You're not alone! > -Modulok- > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From roberthuff at rcn.com Fri Jun 5 04:15:36 2009 From: roberthuff at rcn.com (Robert Huff) Date: Fri Jun 5 04:32:03 2009 Subject: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD In-Reply-To: <20090604231605.aa62473b.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <8BA60025-A005-4E38-9D5E-A9C11AB3C17C@strauser.com> <20090604173535.984e32d6.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090604174510.GA32547@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <18984.11239.817035.710659@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20090604210006.GA33278@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20090604231605.aa62473b.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: <18984.39851.696031.137774@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Polytropon writes: > Many programs contain an EXAMPLES section in the man page. s/Many/Some/ Robert Huff From sonicy at otenet.gr Fri Jun 5 05:33:28 2009 From: sonicy at otenet.gr (Manolis Kiagias) Date: Fri Jun 5 05:33:40 2009 Subject: openoffice.org-3 compiling issue In-Reply-To: <20090604211248.GA34388@eggman.experts-exchange.com> References: <20090604211248.GA34388@eggman.experts-exchange.com> Message-ID: <4A28AE22.1080101@otenet.gr> Jason Helfman wrote: > Hello, > > Newbie to FreeBSD here, however I have been studying like a madman, > running > it on my desktop, and administering systems on a daily basis so I've > learned > quiet a bit recently. > > I am trying to install openoffice.org-3 port, and am receiving the > following > error. > > 1 module(s): openssl > need(s) to be rebuilt > > Reason(s): > > ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making > /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/BEB300_m3/openssl > > Attention: if you build and deliver the above module(s) you may prolongue > your the build issuing command "build --from openssl" > > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3. > > At first I received this error, I was running -j5 with my make > command, but > after removing that I managed to get pass the initial error that included > icu and ssl issues. > > All posts that look similar to the error I am having, have no replies to > them. > > Thanks, > Jason Which version of FreeBSD are you using? I am getting the above error trying to compile openoffice 3 on 8.0-CURRENT tinderbox (and I tried several times, updating to the latest current). It compiles normally on 7.2-RELEASE (haven't tested on stable). From wahjava.ml at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 05:41:03 2009 From: wahjava.ml at gmail.com (Ashish SHUKLA) Date: Fri Jun 5 05:41:12 2009 Subject: 7.2-RELEASE panics with snd_ds1 loaded. Message-ID: <86skifqn2x.fsf@chateau.d.lf> Hi all, I've recently installed 7.2-RELEASE few weeks ago and noticed that it panics after few minutes of loading snd_ds1 (driver for Yamaha PCI sound card), and playing music on it. I've not added snd_ds1 to my loader.conf so as soon as I explicitly kldload it and start playing music (or try to access sound card like using gnome-sound-recorder) it panics after few minutes. Following are the backtraces of the panics. ,---- | (kgdb) core-file /var/crash/vmcore.0 | | Unread portion of the kernel message buffer: | | | Fatal trap 9: general protection fault while in kernel mode | cpuid = 0; apic id = 00 | instruction pointer = 0x8:0xffffffff807c5f22 | stack pointer = 0x10:0xfffffffebf031a00 | frame pointer = 0x10:0xffff804000020048 | code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b | = DPL 0, pres 1, long 1, def32 0, gran 1 | processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 | current process = 72310 (sshd) | trap number = 9 | panic: general protection fault | cpuid = 0 | Uptime: 6h25m1s | Physical memory: 2025 MB | Dumping 386 MB: 371 355 339 323 307 291 275 259 243 227 211 195 179 163 147 131 115 99 83 67 51 35 19 3 | | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/geom_journal.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/GENERIC/geom_journal.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/geom_journal.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/linprocfs.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/GENERIC/linprocfs.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/linprocfs.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/linux.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/GENERIC/linux.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/linux.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/pf.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/GENERIC/pf.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/pf.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/blank_saver.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/GENERIC/blank_saver.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/blank_saver.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/ng_socket.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/GENERIC/ng_socket.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/ng_socket.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/netgraph.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/GENERIC/netgraph.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/netgraph.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/ng_mppc.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/GENERIC/ng_mppc.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/ng_mppc.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/rc4.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/GENERIC/rc4.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/rc4.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/ng_iface.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/GENERIC/ng_iface.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/ng_iface.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/ng_ppp.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/GENERIC/ng_ppp.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/ng_ppp.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/ng_tee.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/GENERIC/ng_tee.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/ng_tee.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/ng_ether.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/GENERIC/ng_ether.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/ng_ether.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/ng_pppoe.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/GENERIC/ng_pppoe.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/ng_pppoe.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/i915.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/GENERIC/i915.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/i915.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/drm.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/GENERIC/drm.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/drm.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/snd_ds1.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/GENERIC/snd_ds1.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/snd_ds1.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/sound.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/GENERIC/sound.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/sound.ko | #0 doadump () at pcpu.h:195 | 195 pcpu.h: No such file or directory. | in pcpu.h | (kgdb) bt | #0 doadump () at pcpu.h:195 | #1 0x0000000000000004 in ?? () | #2 0xffffffff8050df19 in boot (howto=260) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_shutdown.c:418 | #3 0xffffffff8050e322 in panic (fmt=0x104
) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_shutdown.c:574 | #4 0xffffffff807d2193 in trap_fatal (frame=0xffffff00038bb370, eva=Variable "eva" is not available. | ) at /usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/trap.c:757 | #5 0xffffffff807d2ce5 in trap (frame=0xfffffffebf031950) at /usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/trap.c:558 | #6 0xffffffff807b700e in calltrap () at /usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/exception.S:209 | #7 0xffffffff807c5f22 in pmap_remove_pages (pmap=0xffffff00696730f8) at /usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/pmap.c:3812 | #8 0xffffffff8073e708 in vmspace_exit (td=0xffffff00038bb370) at /usr/src/sys/vm/vm_map.c:404 | #9 0xffffffff804e92b0 in exit1 (td=0xffffff00038bb370, rv=65280) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_exit.c:306 | #10 0xffffffff804ea68e in sys_exit (td=Variable "td" is not available. | ) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_exit.c:110 | #11 0xffffffff807d27e7 in syscall (frame=0xfffffffebf031c80) at /usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/trap.c:900 | #12 0xffffffff807b721b in Xfast_syscall () at /usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/exception.S:330 | #13 0x000000080132850c in ?? () | Previous frame inner to this frame (corrupt stack?) `---- ,---- | (kgdb) core-file /var/crash/vmcore.1 | | Unread portion of the kernel message buffer: | | | Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode | cpuid = 1; apic id = 01 | fault virtual address = 0x258 | fault code = supervisor read data, page not present | instruction pointer = 0x8:0xffffffff8050119d | stack pointer = 0x10:0xfffffffebf1c2950 | frame pointer = 0x10:0xffffff00341f6a50 | code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b | = DPL 0, pres 1, long 1, def32 0, gran 1 | processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 | current process = 34352 (ruby18) | trap number = 12 | panic: page fault | cpuid = 1 | Uptime: 2h59m0s | Physical memory: 2025 MB | Dumping 336 MB: 321 305 289 273 257 241 225 209 193 177 161 145 129 113 97 81 65 49 33 17 1 | | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/geom_journal.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/GENERIC/geom_journal.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/geom_journal.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/linprocfs.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/GENERIC/linprocfs.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/linprocfs.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/linux.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/GENERIC/linux.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/linux.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/pf.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/GENERIC/pf.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/pf.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/blank_saver.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/GENERIC/blank_saver.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/blank_saver.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/i915.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/GENERIC/i915.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/i915.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/drm.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/GENERIC/drm.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/drm.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/ng_socket.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/GENERIC/ng_socket.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/ng_socket.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/netgraph.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/GENERIC/netgraph.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/netgraph.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/ng_mppc.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/GENERIC/ng_mppc.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/ng_mppc.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/rc4.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/GENERIC/rc4.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/rc4.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/ng_iface.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/GENERIC/ng_iface.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/ng_iface.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/ng_ppp.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/GENERIC/ng_ppp.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/ng_ppp.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/ng_tee.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/GENERIC/ng_tee.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/ng_tee.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/ng_ether.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/GENERIC/ng_ether.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/ng_ether.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/ng_pppoe.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/GENERIC/ng_pppoe.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/ng_pppoe.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/snd_ds1.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/GENERIC/snd_ds1.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/snd_ds1.ko | Reading symbols from /boot/kernel/sound.ko...Reading symbols from /boot/GENERIC/sound.ko.symbols...done. | done. | Loaded symbols for /boot/kernel/sound.ko | #0 doadump () at pcpu.h:195 | 195 in pcpu.h | (kgdb) bt | #0 doadump () at pcpu.h:195 | #1 0x0000000000000004 in ?? () | #2 0xffffffff8050df19 in boot (howto=260) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_shutdown.c:418 | #3 0xffffffff8050e322 in panic (fmt=0x104
) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_shutdown.c:574 | #4 0xffffffff807d2193 in trap_fatal (frame=0xffffff00341f6a50, eva=Variable "eva" is not available. | ) at /usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/trap.c:757 | #5 0xffffffff807d2565 in trap_pfault (frame=0xfffffffebf1c28a0, usermode=0) at /usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/trap.c:673 | #6 0xffffffff807d2ea4 in trap (frame=0xfffffffebf1c28a0) at /usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/trap.c:444 | #7 0xffffffff807b700e in calltrap () at /usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/exception.S:209 | #8 0xffffffff8050119d in _mtx_lock_sleep (m=0xffffff003439aca8, tid=18446742975072397904, opts=Variable "opts" is not available. | ) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_mutex.c:339 | #9 0xffffffff8054465a in sleepq_catch_signals (wchan=0xffffff00341a1000) at /usr/src/sys/kern/subr_sleepqueue.c:392 | #10 0xffffffff80544f9b in sleepq_wait_sig (wchan=Variable "wchan" is not available. | ) at /usr/src/sys/kern/subr_sleepqueue.c:594 | #11 0xffffffff8051624e in _sleep (ident=0xffffff00341a1000, lock=0xffffff00341a12b0, priority=180, wmesg=0xffffffff808b162e "piperd", | timo=0) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_synch.c:228 | #12 0xffffffff8054cd60 in pipe_read (fp=0xffffff00341c9300, uio=0xfffffffebf1c2b10, active_cred=Variable "active_cred" is not available. | ) at /usr/src/sys/kern/sys_pipe.c:689 | #13 0xffffffff8054a32d in dofileread (td=0xffffff00341f6a50, fd=4, fp=0xffffff00341c9300, auio=0xfffffffebf1c2b10, offset=Variable "offset" is not available. | ) at file.h:245 | #14 0xffffffff8054a69e in kern_readv (td=0xffffff00341f6a50, fd=4, auio=0xfffffffebf1c2b10) at /usr/src/sys/kern/sys_generic.c:193 | #15 0xffffffff8054a78c in read (td=0xffffff003439aca8, uap=0xffffff00341f6a50) at /usr/src/sys/kern/sys_generic.c:109 | #16 0xffffffff807d27e7 in syscall (frame=0xfffffffebf1c2c80) at /usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/trap.c:900 | #17 0xffffffff807b721b in Xfast_syscall () at /usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/exception.S:330 | #18 0x0000000800d860dc in ?? () | Previous frame inner to this frame (corrupt stack?) `---- Any ideas how to resolve this ? TiA -- Ashish SHUKLA -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 195 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/attachments/20090605/eb6e4f1a/attachment.pgp From m.seaman at infracaninophile.co.uk Fri Jun 5 06:04:42 2009 From: m.seaman at infracaninophile.co.uk (Matthew Seaman) Date: Fri Jun 5 06:04:49 2009 Subject: ISP questions In-Reply-To: <4A281AB8.5030004@cs.okstate.edu> References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <4A281AB8.5030004@cs.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <4A28B56A.7000406@infracaninophile.co.uk> Reid Linnemann wrote: > Written by Mark Hartkemeyer on 06/04/09 11:23>> >> I'm pretty new to FreeBSD and was reading part of Greg Lehey's The >> Complete FreeBSD 4th Edition. I found the section on ISPs in chapter >> 18 really interesting. I put some of his recommended questions to my >> ISP, Cincinnati Bell's Zoomtown. I think I talked to three or four >> people before I even got some of them answered. >> >> Here are some of the questions and answers: >> >> 1. What speed connections do you offer? >> 5MBps upload/5MBps download (she said bytes, but should it be bits?) >> 768kBps >> >> 2. Can you supply a static IP address? At what cost? >> Yes, $49.95/month for the whole Internet package >> >> 3. How many hops are there to the backbone? >> "It depends on the site you're trying to reach." (I think they >> misunderstood what I meant by "backbone"?) >> >> 4. What kind of hardware and software are you running? >> "Can't provide this, due to security reasons." >> >> 5. Can you supply primary or secondary DNS for me? >> "You need a static IP." >> >> 6. Can you provide name registration? At what cost? >> "Talk to residential services." >> >> 7. Do you give complete access to the Internet, or do you block some ports? >> "Cannot provide this info, due to security reasons." After >> asking, I was told that I would be able to run a mail server and http >> server on my connection. >> >> 8. Do you have complete reverse DNS? >> (They didn't know.) >> >> I assume this is a pretty typical response from ISPs. Has anyone >> asked their ISP questions like these? If so, what kind of response >> did you get? Does anyone know of a really good ISP, or a good >> resource for finding a good ISP around Cincinnati, OH? >> >> Thanks, >> Mark Hartkemeyer > > These responses don't surprise me. I'm actually impressed your rep knew > the numbers for the up/down bandwidth, even though their metric was > wrong. There was a point in time when a technical support representative > for an ISP was knowledgeable and courteous, but those days are forever > gone and those reps have been replaced with poorly trained monkeys that > are forbidden to divert from The Script. You could not get any > intelligible information about the ISP's services any more than you > could expect to get intelligible information about a Dell computer's > north bridge controller from a Walmart Associate. This is attributable > to the explosion in popularity of personal internet access, resulting in > a greater need for servicing a high volume of low complexity technical > support requests (e.g., "my internet don't work"). The reps are paid far > to little to be technically competent and the ISP doesn't get a return > for training them to be proficient when they can just ist them in front > of a knowledge database they've already invested cash into and tell them > to read what it says. You have to meander your way at least up to tier > II or III support to get to anyone who might possibly be invested enough > in the service to know the meaning of your questions and the answers. Man, you're with the wrong ISP. The one I use would have no problems at all answering all of the above, and they'd do it on the phone, by e-mail, usenet, IRC and probably by generating smoke-signals from the roof of the datacenter if they thought it would help. Brilliant approach to customer management; technical service levels damn good too, despite everything it seems their NSPs do to foul things up. Actually, the answers to virtually all of those questions are on their web site already. Oh, and they actually like you to run your own mail, web and DNS... The only slight flaw is that they are a bunch of penguinistas rather than embracing the one true daemonic faith. But I can forgive them for that. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 259 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/attachments/20090605/e5e2ab99/signature.pgp From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Fri Jun 5 07:02:20 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Fri Jun 5 07:02:28 2009 Subject: ISP questions In-Reply-To: <4A286BED.1020300@bah.homeip.net> References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <4A28582C.7040600@bah.homeip.net> <4A286BED.1020300@bah.homeip.net> Message-ID: >>> My isp have up to 1Gbyte/s costs 1000SEK a month >> >> 1Gbyte/s? > > Yes. > >> it's 10Gbit/s > > No. So 1Gbyte or Gbit/s? From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Fri Jun 5 07:02:56 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Fri Jun 5 07:03:03 2009 Subject: ISP questions In-Reply-To: <4A28B56A.7000406@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <4A281AB8.5030004@cs.okstate.edu> <4A28B56A.7000406@infracaninophile.co.uk> Message-ID: >> in the service to know the meaning of your questions and the answers. > > Man, you're with the wrong ISP. Or maybe it's best ISP available there? :) From j.mckeown at ru.ac.za Fri Jun 5 07:42:10 2009 From: j.mckeown at ru.ac.za (Jonathan McKeown) Date: Fri Jun 5 07:42:17 2009 Subject: n00b question regarding installation via serial console In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200906050942.05880.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> On Thursday 04 June 2009 17:28:56 Tim Judd wrote: > On 6/4/09, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> Hello list, > >> > >> Is it possible to boot into the serial console from the installation > >> CD, or must boot.flp be used as per > > > > make your own CD > > > > add file boot.config containing just one line: > > > > -P > > > > to existing, make sure you it's bootable (mkisofs -b boot/cdboot > > -no-emul-boot) and record > > > > refer to > > > > man boot.config Unless things have changed since I last did this, this isn't going to work. First of all, the CD boot process doesn't pick up the boot.config. Secondly, many motherboards use a BIOS which causes the -P test to fail. What you can do is create boot/loader.conf on the CD image containing console="comconsole" > > Sure that's enough? ttys is still going to mark the ttyd0 line as > "off" and won't present a tty/login then. Yes, it is. You don't need a login for an installation. You do need to make sure you enable the correct serial port (usually ttyd0, as you point out) in /etc/ttys before you reboot at the end of the installation. > I think it's more complicated than that. And what if the boot process > hangs for some reason? no console output either by your solution. It's not an ideal process (particularly since the serial console only cuts in at a very late stage). One day I will make time to sit down and work out how to do it properly on a CD. Jonathan From valentin.bud at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 07:56:46 2009 From: valentin.bud at gmail.com (Valentin Bud) Date: Fri Jun 5 07:56:52 2009 Subject: pkg_deinstall: "delete all packages installed, except for X, Y and Z" In-Reply-To: <4A288D41.1010306@a1poweruser.com> References: <4A27A7C4.20803@a1poweruser.com> <4A288D41.1010306@a1poweruser.com> Message-ID: <139b44430906050056v7e5f80eyff7b3ed4240fb9fd@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 6:13 AM, Fbsd1 wrote: > Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> ignore errors about package can't be deleted because X, Y or Z requires >>>> it. it's exactly what you want. >>>> >>>> >>>> pkg_delete `cat /tmp/pkglist` gives error 'no such package `cat >>> /tmp/pkglist` installed >>> >>> >>> for sure you used ' instead of ` >> >> Yet that was the error. I did not know there was another type of quote > key on the keyboard. The one used in the example is below the Esc key. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > The `` (below your escape key) do command substitution while '' do quoting. This is just FYI :). a great day, v -- network warrior since 2005 From ghirai at ghirai.com Fri Jun 5 08:27:04 2009 From: ghirai at ghirai.com (Ghirai) Date: Fri Jun 5 08:27:11 2009 Subject: pf nat dual gateways Message-ID: <20090605082703.CE32A8FC14@mx1.freebsd.org> Hi, I would need some help in getting this working. The idea is pretty simple, i have a box with 3 NICs; 2 for net pipes, and one for LAN. Routing and NAT works, however, i need that requests to u_ips always get NATed through u_if, and everything else through ext_if. As it is now, everything goes through ext_if. ext_if="tun0" int_if="vr0" u_if="ed0" ext_services="{2222}" int_services="{53,80}" rdp_port="{3232}" rdp_srv="{192.168.0.250}" u_ips="{123.123.123.123}" u_gw="192.168.1.1" localnet=$int_if:network set skip on lo0 set optimization aggressive set limit states 50000 scrub in all nat on $ext_if from $localnet to any -> ($ext_if) nat on $u_if from $localnet to $u_ips -> ($u_if) rdr pass on $ext_if proto tcp from any to $ext_if port $rdp_port -> $rdp_srv port 3389 antispoof for $ext_if antispoof for $u_if block drop all pass in inet proto tcp from any to any port $ext_services \ flags S/SA keep state pass in inet proto {tcp,udp} from $localnet to $int_if port $int_services \ flags S/SA keep state pass out all keep state pass from $localnet to any keep state And here's ifconfig: vr0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 options=2808 ether 00:13:d4:a7:84:f9 inet 192.168.0.254 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.0.255 media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) status: active ed0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 ether 52:54:00:df:92:3f inet 192.168.1.5 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255 media: Ethernet autoselect (10baseT/UTP) rl0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 options=8 ether 00:02:44:59:91:d5 media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) status: active plip0: flags=108810 metric 0 mtu 1500 lo0: flags=8049 metric 0 mtu 16384 inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x5 inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 tun0: flags=8051 metric 0 mtu 1492 inet 111.111.111.111 --> 111.111.111.254 netmask 0xffffffff Opened by PID 449 As you can see, u_if(ed0) has IP addr 192.168.1.5, and the gateway is 192.168.1.1 (u_gw). Running 7.2-RELEASE, amd64. Any help is appreciated. Thanks. -- Ghirai. From roys1012 at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 08:41:37 2009 From: roys1012 at gmail.com (Roy Stuivenberg) Date: Fri Jun 5 08:41:43 2009 Subject: ICQ - IPFW Message-ID: <1244191116.10570.25.camel@rs-unix.roycs.nl> Hello, I want to start using ICQ (never did before). The question is, I'm looking for a rule in my IPFW script. Running 7.2 stable - ipfw configured in the kernel without nat. Because after some googl'in, i read it's dangerous to just open port 4000 udp. Any suggestions ? Regards, Roy. From wtf.jlaine at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 08:53:04 2009 From: wtf.jlaine at gmail.com (Jeff Laine) Date: Fri Jun 5 08:53:11 2009 Subject: Named ignoring forward-only zones? In-Reply-To: <200906041153.38898.kirk@strauser.com> References: <200906041153.38898.kirk@strauser.com> Message-ID: <20090605085251.GA37781@free.bsd.loc> On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 11:53:38AM -0500, Kirk Strauser wrote: > For some reason, BIND 9 (FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE) isn't properly forwarding > queries. A snippet of named.conf: > > acl clients { > localnets; > localhost; > ::1; > 10.45.12/19; > }; > > view "internal" { > match-clients { clients; }; > zone "5.0.10.in-addr.arpa" { > type forward; > forward only; > forwarders { 10.0.5.16; }; > }; > }; > > > Now, I can query the forwarder directly to get the right answer: > > $ dig +noall +answer -t ptr -x 10.0.5.16 @10.0.5.16 > 16.5.0.10.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN PTR kanga.honeypot.net. > > But I can't get the same from named: > > $ dig -t ptr -x 10.0.5.16 > > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 56485 > ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0 > > ;; QUESTION SECTION: > ;16.5.0.10.in-addr.arpa. IN PTR > > ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: > 10.in-addr.arpa. 10800 IN SOA 10.in-addr.arpa. > nobody.localhost. 42 86400 43200 604800 10800 > > So, why isn't named directing that query to the configured forwarder? I'm > 99.9% certain this has been working recently. Hi, Kirk. I had the similar issue with forward type zones yesterday. Though I'm not quite sure, but it started to work after I put 127.0.0.1 to /etc/resolv.conf on our bind server. My named.conf entries look like this: ... zone "need2.frwd.zone" { type forward; forward only; forwarders { 10.xx.xx.xx; 10.xx.xx.yy; }; }; zone "10.in-addr.arpa" { type forward; forward only; forwarders { 10.xx.xx.xx; 10.xx.xx.yy; }; }; ... -- Best regards, Jeff | "Nobody wants to say how this works. | | Maybe nobody knows ..." | | Xorg.conf(5) | From jmc-freebsd2 at milibyte.co.uk Fri Jun 5 09:23:24 2009 From: jmc-freebsd2 at milibyte.co.uk (Mike Clarke) Date: Fri Jun 5 09:23:32 2009 Subject: Portupgrade very slow upgrading gtk-sharp Message-ID: <200906051023.21751.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> I started portupgrade -a at midnight last night. It started to upgrade gtk-sharp-1.0.10 from _14 to _15 at 00:58 and is still running more than 9 hours later and clocking up 80% to 90% CPU on both cores of my 2.5GHz Athlon. curlew:/root# top 2 last pid: 47507; load averages: 2.00, 2.05, 2.05 up 0+12:10:27 10:11:08 112 processes: 3 running, 109 sleeping CPU: 0.4% user, 7.1% nice, 91.9% system, 0.6% interrupt, 0.0% idle Mem: 405M Active, 1216M Inact, 215M Wired, 76M Cache, 112M Buf, 23M Free Swap: 2048M Total, 2048M Free PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND 35617 root 1 130 2 1336K 820K CPU1 1 548:15 96.88% script 41994 root 3 20 2 15304K 7364K kserel 0 548:29 96.58% mono curlew:/root# date Fri Jun 5 10:14:52 BST 2009 curlew:/root# ps -axuwlc | egrep '(35617|41994)' root 35617 97.4 0.0 1336 820 ?? RN 12:58AM 551:14.08 script 0 89297 561 133 2 - root 35619 0.0 0.1 1288 1180 p0 INs+ 12:58AM 0:00.16 make 0 35617 326 8 2 wait root 41994 0.0 0.4 15304 7348 p0 SN+ 12:58AM 551:28.60 mono 0 41993 561 20 2 kserel Should mono be grabbing so much CPU? It only took 8 hours to build OpenOffice earlier in the week! -- Mike Clarke From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Fri Jun 5 10:10:42 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Fri Jun 5 10:10:49 2009 Subject: ICQ - IPFW In-Reply-To: <1244191116.10570.25.camel@rs-unix.roycs.nl> References: <1244191116.10570.25.camel@rs-unix.roycs.nl> Message-ID: > The question is, I'm looking for a rule in my IPFW script. > Running 7.2 stable - ipfw configured in the kernel without nat. > Because after some googl'in, i read it's dangerous to just open port > 4000 udp. dangerous because of? are you running any insecure service on port 4000 udp? Of course ICQ may be dangerous by itself (i don't know), but as you decided to use it then it's not in question. From psychesnet at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 10:15:29 2009 From: psychesnet at gmail.com (Eric Hsieh) Date: Fri Jun 5 10:15:35 2009 Subject: it is about installing FreeBSD on USB stick Message-ID: <18abc6450906050244u601deafx566c54351bbdd864@mail.gmail.com> hello, this is my first time to ask a help from FreeBSD. I have a question about installing FreeBSD on USB stick. There are so many informations about how to install FreeBSD on USB stick from Internet, but I can not find out any information about follow : first, if i install FreeBSD on USB stick. Could I operate it on any computer. if not, how to reach this issue ? second, if i install FreesBIE on USB stick, i know i can operate it on any computer. but i don't know how to store my setting and installed software on USB stick directly instead of copy my setting to another store device. thanks, good luck for you. From kline at thought.org Fri Jun 5 05:47:03 2009 From: kline at thought.org (Gary Kline) Date: Fri Jun 5 11:26:12 2009 Subject: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD In-Reply-To: <20090604231605.aa62473b.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20090604173535.984e32d6.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090604174510.GA32547@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <18984.11239.817035.710659@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20090604210006.GA33278@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <20090604231605.aa62473b.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: <20090605054649.GA5799@thought.org> On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 11:16:05PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:00:06 -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote: > > Yes, I know. That is why some other additional for is also useful. > > I don't really propose changing man, but do often wish for some other > > form. > > Many programs contain an EXAMPLES section in the man page. > Further documentation often is supplied in /usr/local/share/doc > and /usr/local/share/examples - available locally. > my take of the idea of man pages is simple: they serve as a concise summary of a program you already know. maybe you've forgotten a 'w' flag or switch. otherwise, a number of examples are worth ten thousand words. ----the gotcha is that examples take a lot of skill... . and, yes, the better programs with man pages do have examples! .... gary > > > > -- > Polytropon > >From Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php From i.tanusheff at procreditbank.bg Fri Jun 5 11:30:15 2009 From: i.tanusheff at procreditbank.bg (Ivailo Tanusheff) Date: Fri Jun 5 11:30:22 2009 Subject: ICQ - IPFW In-Reply-To: <1244191116.10570.25.camel@rs-unix.roycs.nl> Message-ID: Hi, Generally you have 2 options: 1. To use ICQ over HTTPS connection, which means you should use Proxy server or permit https traffic out of your firewall/nat. 2. To use it directly. As you may use dynamic NAT, i.e. there will be not possible to have incomming connection on port 4000 and it will not harm your network. Regards, Ivailo Tanusheff Deputy Head of IT Department ProCredit Bank (Bulgaria) AD Roy Stuivenberg Sent by: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org 05.06.2009 11:42 To freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc Subject ICQ - IPFW Hello, I want to start using ICQ (never did before). The question is, I'm looking for a rule in my IPFW script. Running 7.2 stable - ipfw configured in the kernel without nat. Because after some googl'in, i read it's dangerous to just open port 4000 udp. Any suggestions ? Regards, Roy. _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From valentin.bud at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 12:57:43 2009 From: valentin.bud at gmail.com (Valentin Bud) Date: Fri Jun 5 12:57:49 2009 Subject: Opinion request about a file server Message-ID: <139b44430906050557v4ce23a13r259535c3e839deb0@mail.gmail.com> Hello community, I have an old computer (ASRock P4Dual-915GL) with Intel P4 CPU at 3.0Ghz and 2Gb of RAM. I am asking the list maybe is somebody out there with a similar configuration and running FreeBSD on such a system as a File Server and Print Server using samba. What i mainly try to achieve, talking in storage space, is 2 HDD of 1TB in mirroring using gmirror(8) and 1 separate HDD of 500Gb. So do you think the system I've mentioned would handle the load? The server will be used by 4 people for storage of all sorts of files that can be found in Design and daily Office World (Photoshop, Illustrator, etc, Word Documents, etc). Thank you, v -- network warrior since 2005 From dkelly at hiwaay.net Fri Jun 5 13:16:09 2009 From: dkelly at hiwaay.net (David Kelly) Date: Fri Jun 5 13:16:17 2009 Subject: Opinion request about a file server In-Reply-To: <139b44430906050557v4ce23a13r259535c3e839deb0@mail.gmail.com> References: <139b44430906050557v4ce23a13r259535c3e839deb0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090605131607.GB77412@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 03:57:21PM +0300, Valentin Bud wrote: > Hello community, > > I have an old computer (ASRock P4Dual-915GL) with Intel P4 > CPU at 3.0Ghz and 2Gb of RAM. > > I am asking the list maybe is somebody out there with a similar > configuration and running FreeBSD on such a system as a File Server > and Print Server using samba. > > What i mainly try to achieve, talking in storage space, is 2 HDD of > 1TB in mirroring using gmirror(8) and 1 separate HDD of 500Gb. > > So do you think the system I've mentioned would handle the load? The > server will be used by 4 people for storage of all sorts of files that > can be found in Design and daily Office World (Photoshop, Illustrator, > etc, Word Documents, etc). I think its gross overkill for that very light load. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From steve at ibctech.ca Fri Jun 5 13:24:00 2009 From: steve at ibctech.ca (Steve Bertrand) Date: Fri Jun 5 13:24:06 2009 Subject: ISP questions In-Reply-To: References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <64c038660906042034v43b340c6jf1e001ac9941f1f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A291C7C.4040108@ibctech.ca> itsemu wrote: > if your dealing with a isp such as a cable/dsl company, remember the > requirements to work there, they arent trained on anything besides windows.. Excuse me, unless you have ever worked at an ISP, might I kindly ask you to have some respect. (if you have, the call centre you likely worked for != ISP). > probably dont really know what a static ip is or have any idea what hardware > each different county they are supporting has in there headend because its > all different, reverse dns will probably be a waste of ip space because of > the way its assigned in classes and i seriously doubt they will do it via a > ticket if its not that way. named registration if im catching that right > godaddys probably going to be cheaper maybe im wrong who knows.. Nevermind. I should have read your entire post before I started to respond. It's clear that you have the experience and education behind you to make statements about the knowledge of ISP staff. Steve -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The server > will be > used by 4 people for storage of all sorts of files that can be found in > Design and daily > Office World (Photoshop, Illustrator, etc, Word Documents, etc). > > Thank you, > v > Got more than a few of similar systems, and have setup one very similar to this for a friend, primarily used as a Samba server: Pentium 4 2.8Ghz, (socket 478), 2GB RAM Two mirrors (1 Tb total capacity, 4X500Gb drives), using gmirror and gjournal Gigabit Ethernet He stores very large files (he is an avid photographer). Needless to say it works without problems and performance is very good. So, I'd say you can go ahead with your plan. From frederique at isafeelin.org Fri Jun 5 13:42:19 2009 From: frederique at isafeelin.org (Frederique Rijsdijk) Date: Fri Jun 5 13:42:26 2009 Subject: Getting old versions of FreeBSD Message-ID: <4A291C33.30007@isafeelin.org> Hi, For some 'issue' I have to install an old version FreeBSD: 4.7-p28. The ISO of 4.7 I have found, but how to get to p28? Thanks, -- Frederique From steve at ibctech.ca Fri Jun 5 13:43:04 2009 From: steve at ibctech.ca (Steve Bertrand) Date: Fri Jun 5 13:43:12 2009 Subject: ISP questions In-Reply-To: <64c038660906042034v43b340c6jf1e001ac9941f1f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <64c038660906042034v43b340c6jf1e001ac9941f1f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A2920F5.7040504@ibctech.ca> Modulok wrote: > While it sounds pretty bad, I think my ISP takes the cake: > > - Regardless of the problem, their solution is to unplug the cable > modem, wait 30 seconds and plug it back in and hope for the best. Well, I don't know about cable, but this is the way DSL works. 90%+ of the issues with DSL are due to the modem losing connectivity overnight, so a reboot is the quickest and easiest method of troubleshooting. We've got nearly all of our DSL subs trained to reboot their CPE before they call us. If that solution weeds out 50% of support calls, then our staff can focus on bigger and better things. > Despite frustrations try to remember, it's not the tech support > people's fault. They're just there 8-5 trying to make rent and pay for > their kids dental. If you want to blame somebody, blame management. The tech support people do what they are told to do. If you've ever had a job in which every single incoming call is someone who is frustrated, angry and is going to take it out on *you*, it might be understandable why the tech support call centre business is like an employee revolving door, and they can't keep anyone longer than a few months. I've been in the industry quite a while, and I would hazard a guess that about 85% of tech support calls incoming would be user error. Unless it's a relatively small ISP, you can't expect the tech support people to be able to answer questions relating to the engineering of their network (how many hops to the core), what software they run on their servers etc. Perhaps if people were to call into their tech support helpdesk every once in a while when they *aren't* having any issues just to tell them that their doing a heck of a job, and to have a nice day, you might find the staff willing to stay around a bit longer and become a little more knowledgeable for the next time one calls. Steve Disclaimer: I work as a network engineer at a small ISP. From time to time, I still have to answer the phone every once in a while (unfortunately). I do not like dealing directly with users. Most of them complain, bitch and snivel and have no respect. It's not my fault you can't connect if your dog ate your keyboard, why are you bothering me? I thoroughly enjoy a good conversation with a user if they can ask a decent and sincere question, and I can tell they are willing to learn. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3233 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/attachments/20090605/20668e42/smime.bin From wmoran at potentialtech.com Fri Jun 5 13:50:40 2009 From: wmoran at potentialtech.com (Bill Moran) Date: Fri Jun 5 13:50:48 2009 Subject: ISP questions In-Reply-To: <4A2920F5.7040504@ibctech.ca> References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <64c038660906042034v43b340c6jf1e001ac9941f1f6@mail.gmail.com> <4A2920F5.7040504@ibctech.ca> Message-ID: <20090605095038.7ab14b7b.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In response to Steve Bertrand : [snip] > Disclaimer: I work as a network engineer at a small ISP. From time to > time, I still have to answer the phone every once in a while > (unfortunately). > > I do not like dealing directly with users. Most of them complain, bitch > and snivel and have no respect. It's not my fault you can't connect if > your dog ate your keyboard, why are you bothering me? > > I thoroughly enjoy a good conversation with a user if they can ask a > decent and sincere question, and I can tell they are willing to learn. I think there's a serious lesson to be learned here ... many years ago I realized just the kind of crap these people have to deal with on a daily basis, and I make it a point to be polite and friendly _any_ time I call tech support. The upshot of this is that I've noticed that I'll get answers and help where other people won't ... the tech support folks _want_ to stay on the phone with me. The downside to this is when I make a call and either I or the the tech support person knows that they can't fix my problem -- being polite doesn't help much. When the both of us know that management or the higher level tech screwed something up and the tech support folks are supposed to be covering it up, there's not much you can really say or do, and that's _really_ frustrating. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com http://people.collaborativefusion.com/~wmoran/ From valentin.bud at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 13:52:35 2009 From: valentin.bud at gmail.com (Valentin Bud) Date: Fri Jun 5 13:52:42 2009 Subject: Getting old versions of FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <4A291C33.30007@isafeelin.org> References: <4A291C33.30007@isafeelin.org> Message-ID: <139b44430906050652u58e7e955mbcdc096d182ae0b9@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Frederique Rijsdijk < frederique@isafeelin.org> wrote: > Hi, > > For some 'issue' I have to install an old version FreeBSD: 4.7-p28. The > ISO of 4.7 I have found, but how to get to p28? > > > Thanks, > > -- Frederique > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Hello Frederique, You have to track the errata branch of 4.7. That would be RELENG_4_7. Get the sources (i suppose they are on cvs) using csup(1) and rebuild world/kernel and you should get to p28. I don't know for sure if the sources for that specific errata branch are still there. Maybe others can shed some lights on this. Here you can find the errata 4.7-RELEASE errata: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.7R/errata.html. a great day, v -- network warrior since 2005 From wmoran at potentialtech.com Fri Jun 5 13:59:02 2009 From: wmoran at potentialtech.com (Bill Moran) Date: Fri Jun 5 13:59:09 2009 Subject: Getting old versions of FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <4A291C33.30007@isafeelin.org> References: <4A291C33.30007@isafeelin.org> Message-ID: <20090605095859.98289dbc.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In response to Frederique Rijsdijk : > > For some 'issue' I have to install an old version FreeBSD: 4.7-p28. The > ISO of 4.7 I have found, but how to get to p28? That code is still in the version control system, all you need to do is configure cvsup to fetch it and rebuild your system. Instructions: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvsup.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvs-tags.html Use the RELENG_4_7, since p28 was the last patch on the 4.7 branch. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com http://people.collaborativefusion.com/~wmoran/ From steve at ibctech.ca Fri Jun 5 14:03:09 2009 From: steve at ibctech.ca (Steve Bertrand) Date: Fri Jun 5 14:03:15 2009 Subject: ISP questions In-Reply-To: <20090605095038.7ab14b7b.wmoran@potentialtech.com> References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <64c038660906042034v43b340c6jf1e001ac9941f1f6@mail.gmail.com> <4A2920F5.7040504@ibctech.ca> <20090605095038.7ab14b7b.wmoran@potentialtech.com> Message-ID: <4A2925AA.4030909@ibctech.ca> Bill Moran wrote: > In response to Steve Bertrand : > > [snip] > >> Disclaimer: I work as a network engineer at a small ISP. From time to >> time, I still have to answer the phone every once in a while >> (unfortunately). >> >> I do not like dealing directly with users. Most of them complain, bitch >> and snivel and have no respect. It's not my fault you can't connect if >> your dog ate your keyboard, why are you bothering me? >> >> I thoroughly enjoy a good conversation with a user if they can ask a >> decent and sincere question, and I can tell they are willing to learn. > > I think there's a serious lesson to be learned here ... many years ago > I realized just the kind of crap these people have to deal with on a > daily basis, and I make it a point to be polite and friendly _any_ time > I call tech support. The upshot of this is that I've noticed that I'll > get answers and help where other people won't ... the tech support folks > _want_ to stay on the phone with me. You are absolutely right, and I'm glad you pointed that out. Even I will admit to not minding hanging on the phone a few extra minutes with a calm, polite user (no matter how 'green' they are) if they do what I say (without click-click-clicking in the background) throughout the troubleshooting process. We *always* will be up front and honest if we (or any of our wholesalers or intermediaries) are having issues (that we know about). Being small, we also expect users to believe that when we tell them that they are having a problem at their end and they need to call someone in, that we actually know what we are talking about. It's the users who scream and bitch and claim "it hasn't worked for a month!", meanwhile their IE is displaying an illegal page fault that are really frustrating. > The downside to this is when I make a call and either I or the the tech > support person knows that they can't fix my problem -- being polite doesn't > help much. No, but remaining polite after you _both_ realize this and come to terms with it will help you remain calm, and help the tech person be able to deal with the next available irate client a little better. > When the both of us know that management or the higher level > tech screwed something up and the tech support folks are supposed to be > covering it up, there's not much you can really say or do, and that's > _really_ frustrating. Yes, I agree. I've been in that position previously during times where I wasn't connected to my own ISP. I must say, that my experience working in an ISP environment has completely changed my attitude when it comes to me having to call a different ISP on behalf of someone else (mind you, if required, I can usually find someone there that has a clue). Steve -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3233 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/attachments/20090605/0a35fa33/smime.bin From lreid at cs.okstate.edu Fri Jun 5 14:13:46 2009 From: lreid at cs.okstate.edu (Reid Linnemann) Date: Fri Jun 5 14:14:08 2009 Subject: ISP questions In-Reply-To: <4A2920F5.7040504@ibctech.ca> References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <64c038660906042034v43b340c6jf1e001ac9941f1f6@mail.gmail.com> <4A2920F5.7040504@ibctech.ca> Message-ID: <4A2927E5.6070407@cs.okstate.edu> Written by Steve Bertrand on 06/05/09 08:43>> >> Despite frustrations try to remember, it's not the tech support >> people's fault. They're just there 8-5 trying to make rent and pay for >> their kids dental. If you want to blame somebody, blame management. > > The tech support people do what they are told to do. If you've ever had > a job in which every single incoming call is someone who is frustrated, > angry and is going to take it out on *you*, it might be understandable > why the tech support call centre business is like an employee revolving > door, and they can't keep anyone longer than a few months. > I did the support gig for the better part of two years when I started school. It was difficult, especially when the people that were frustrated, angry, and determined to take it out on me had broken or ancient hardware and lived out in the boondocks where audible crackling could be heard over the same phone line they were using to dial in with. I even had a guy call in once who got irate with me because I wouldn't help him troubleshoot why his video card was displaying only 256 colors. He just wanted someone to be mad at, and I was it. > I've been in the industry quite a while, and I would hazard a guess that > about 85% of tech support calls incoming would be user error. > > Unless it's a relatively small ISP, you can't expect the tech support > people to be able to answer questions relating to the engineering of > their network (how many hops to the core), what software they run on > their servers etc. > This is very true. When the ISP I worked at was smaller and had a support staff of around 10 people, and the network engineers where in the next room, everyone knew what servers ran what services, what type of machines they were, what versions of what operating systems were one them, how to edit the zone files, etc. When that ISP was acquired by a larger one, and operations expanded and the different departments separated, things started getting dumb. Rapidly. > Perhaps if people were to call into their tech support helpdesk every > once in a while when they *aren't* having any issues just to tell them > that their doing a heck of a job, and to have a nice day, you might find > the staff willing to stay around a bit longer and become a little more > knowledgeable for the next time one calls. > IMO, I think it's more laudable to take a minute to calm down when you have an issue, take a deep breath, consider the position of the guy/girl on the other end, and then make your tech support call with the intention of making it productive for the poor dude/lady who is likely getting bitched at not only from other users, but from his/her own management as well for having an average call time over 5 minutes or for taking a 16 minute break when only 15 minutes are allowed. Recognize that every time that rep's phone rings, he/she feels a wave of horror and anxiety for what might be on the other end - some problem they can't solve, and irate user, a fed up user calling to cancel (but management won't allow them to comply without trying to dissuade the user or put them through a lengthy exit poll), or maybe the first call to mark the beginning of an outage, sure to be followed by nothing but irate callers for the next several hours. From kirk at strauser.com Fri Jun 5 14:24:29 2009 From: kirk at strauser.com (Kirk Strauser) Date: Fri Jun 5 14:24:42 2009 Subject: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD In-Reply-To: References: <20090604210006.GA33278@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Message-ID: <200906050924.23167.kirk@strauser.com> On Thursday 04 June 2009 04:17:56 pm Chris Rees wrote: > Info is horrible to use as a quick reference, because as Polytropon > said earlier, you can't just dive in to get something specific. The > info is split into (arbitrary????) sections, through which you have to > tread, and jump around hyperlinks all over. In fairness, a good info browser (eg Emacs) makes searching in an info doc trivially easy. I think the biggest problem is that /usr/bin/info is horrid and people lump their impression of it onto their impression of info docs as a whole. -- Kirk Strauser From kirk at strauser.com Fri Jun 5 14:28:17 2009 From: kirk at strauser.com (Kirk Strauser) Date: Fri Jun 5 14:28:25 2009 Subject: D'oh! was Re: Named ignoring forward-only zones? In-Reply-To: <200906041153.38898.kirk@strauser.com> References: <200906041153.38898.kirk@strauser.com> Message-ID: <200906050928.11184.kirk@strauser.com> On Thursday 04 June 2009 11:53:38 am Kirk Strauser wrote: > For some reason, BIND 9 (FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE) isn't properly forwarding > queries. Commenting out // zone "10.in-addr.arpa" { type master; file "master/empty.db"; }; from named.conf fixed the problem. That's kind of... embarrassing. -- Kirk Strauser From bill at flierdevelopers.com Fri Jun 5 15:12:12 2009 From: bill at flierdevelopers.com (Bill luo) Date: Fri Jun 5 15:12:28 2009 Subject: offer laptop accessory Code:241 Message-ID: To: Purchase Dept I am very happy to know you from website http://www.freebsd.org that you are doing business of laptop parts. This is Bill from HongKong Flier Developers Co.,Limited, a reputed supplier of laptop battery. Besides replacement laptop battery, we also have a wide and stable source for original/genuine parts like memories, laptop batteries, laptop adapters, laptop keyboards, etc. I would like to provide detailed pricelist if you request, and hope that we have chance to do lots of business in the future. We apologize for any inconviences if you are not interested in the offer! Thank you! Have a nice day! Bill Luo (Sales Supervisor) HongKong Flier Developers Co.,Limited Tel: +86-755-2828 4807 Fax: +86-755-8957 8417 www.flierdevelopers.com bill@flierdevelopers.com billflier@hotmail.com From smithi at nimnet.asn.au Fri Jun 5 15:25:14 2009 From: smithi at nimnet.asn.au (Ian Smith) Date: Fri Jun 5 15:25:21 2009 Subject: phidgets for FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <20090603190455.811E01065687@hub.freebsd.org> References: <20090603190455.811E01065687@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20090605233731.W38006@sola.nimnet.asn.au> On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 15:07:53 +0300 Ghirai wrote: > Is there any (native) FreeBSD supoprt for Phidgets > (http://www.phidgets.com? > > Someone seems to have attempted (and succeeded) to run things on 7.0, > some time ago, but there doesn't seem to be any further info > (http://www.phidgets.com/phorum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=507). > > Any ideas? No, but colour me interested too. Thanks for the pointer. Copying this to Brooks, who started that thread in 2005 with a patch for phidgets 2.0, which left me wondering if anything has become of that in the 2.1 linux sources, which I'm just grabbing. I'm generally interested in whether linux applications using libusb are more likely than not to work on FreeBSD, operational differences between libusb on FreeBSD and linux, and whether our new USB stack has changed anything in that equation at all? Also wondering if http://www.totalphase.com/products/aardvark_i2cspi/ linux software might be expected to work 'well enough' on FreeBSD 7? > Thanks. > -- > Ghirai. cheers, Ian From martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu Fri Jun 5 15:25:42 2009 From: martin at dc.cis.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Fri Jun 5 15:26:04 2009 Subject: The quest for linux-oracle-instantclient-sqlplus Message-ID: <200906051523.n55FNk4g073888@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Michael Powell writes: > This is one of the worst I have seen to date. Click here: > > Copy to /usr/ports/distfiles/oracle/ directory. Good luck to you. It worked beautifully but there is the following dependency requiring yet another trip to the same well: I sure hope this is it. Due to Oracle license restrictions, you must fetch the source "instantclient-sqlplus-linux32-10.2.0.3-20061115.zip". It appears that this file installs the -basic client. Now, I'll go tie a horse shoe in to a square knot without a forge in order to relieve some pent up frustration. I don't know whether to laugh or swear. Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK Systems Engineer OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group From Ggatten at waddell.com Fri Jun 5 15:31:59 2009 From: Ggatten at waddell.com (Gary Gatten) Date: Fri Jun 5 15:32:05 2009 Subject: The quest for linux-oracle-instantclient-sqlplus In-Reply-To: <200906051523.n55FNk4g073888@dc.cis.okstate.edu> References: <200906051523.n55FNk4g073888@dc.cis.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EECD@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> Can you record your horse-shoe tying prowess and post on uTub3? -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Martin McCormick Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 10:24 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The quest for linux-oracle-instantclient-sqlplus Michael Powell writes: > This is one of the worst I have seen to date. Click here: > > Copy to /usr/ports/distfiles/oracle/ directory. Good luck to you. It worked beautifully but there is the following dependency requiring yet another trip to the same well: I sure hope this is it. Due to Oracle license restrictions, you must fetch the source "instantclient-sqlplus-linux32-10.2.0.3-20061115.zip". It appears that this file installs the -basic client. Now, I'll go tie a horse shoe in to a square knot without a forge in order to relieve some pent up frustration. I don't know whether to laugh or swear. Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK Systems Engineer OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
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I need pdftk to compile on an amd64 system, and see in the pdftk Makefile the following: > # gcj/libgcj don't exist on these platforms > NOT_FOR_ARCHS= amd64 ia64 sparc64 However, I've also read in the pdftk port logs that gcj is included in GCC 3.4+ when WITHOUT_JAVA in the GCC Makefile is set to no or commented out. So, I compiled GCC with gcj support without a problem, and commented out the NOT_FOR_ARCHS line above to force an install of pdftk: > ===> pdftk-1.41 depends on executable: gmake - found > ===> pdftk-1.41 depends on shared library: gcj - not found > ===> Verifying install for gcj in /usr/ports/lang/gcc42 > ===> Returning to build of pdftk-1.41 > Error: shared library "gcj" does not exist gcj does indeed exist in /usr/ports/lang/gcc42: > # find /usr/ports/lang/gcc42 -name "gcj" > /usr/ports/lang/gcc42/work/gcc-4.2-20090325/libjava/gnu/gcj > /usr/ports/lang/gcc42/work/gcc-4.2-20090325/libjava/gcj > /usr/ports/lang/gcc42/work/build/gcc/gcj Any suggestions as to what I can do to build pdftk? This particular project will surely be much harder if I can't get pdftk to build/compile... Thanks very much in advance! -- Joe Auty NetMusician: web publishing software for musicians http://www.netmusician.org joe@netmusician.org From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Fri Jun 5 16:17:03 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Fri Jun 5 16:17:15 2009 Subject: Opinion request about a file server In-Reply-To: <139b44430906050557v4ce23a13r259535c3e839deb0@mail.gmail.com> References: <139b44430906050557v4ce23a13r259535c3e839deb0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > I have an old computer (ASRock P4Dual-915GL) with Intel P4 > CPU at 3.0Ghz and 2Gb of RAM. this is not old - very powerfull machine. > > I am asking the list maybe is somebody out there with a similar > configuration > and running FreeBSD on such a system as a File Server and Print Server > using samba. what a problem? much more than needed. > > What i mainly try to achieve, talking in storage space, is 2 HDD of 1TB in > mirroring using gmirror(8) and 1 separate HDD of 500Gb. > > So do you think the system I've mentioned would handle the load? The server 10 times more power than needed. disks speed is the only limit From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Fri Jun 5 16:24:07 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Fri Jun 5 16:24:14 2009 Subject: ISP questions In-Reply-To: <4A2920F5.7040504@ibctech.ca> References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <64c038660906042034v43b340c6jf1e001ac9941f1f6@mail.gmail.com> <4A2920F5.7040504@ibctech.ca> Message-ID: > > Well, I don't know about cable, but this is the way DSL works. 90%+ of > the issues with DSL are due to the modem losing connectivity overnight, > so a reboot is the quickest and easiest method of troubleshooting. i don't remember now what brand of modem i have (i'm not in place) from Polish Telecom but it never hung for over 1.5 year! >> people's fault. They're just there 8-5 trying to make rent and pay for >> their kids dental. If you want to blame somebody, blame management. > > The tech support people do what they are told to do. If you've ever had > a job in which every single incoming call is someone who is frustrated, > angry and is going to take it out on *you*, it might be understandable > why the tech support call centre business is like an employee revolving > door, and they can't keep anyone longer than a few months. I think there are people doing this that can work for years. just a matter of personal character, they could completely don't care :) > > I've been in the industry quite a while, and I would hazard a guess that > about 85% of tech support calls incoming would be user error. i bet 95% > I do not like dealing directly with users. Most of them complain, bitch > and snivel and have no respect. I don't agree. 90% of my people i have to respond (my clients) are not like that. They ask politely, but the problem is that they ask me to do things that is not my job, because "internet doesn't work". There are no connection problems, but as usual windoze doesn't work properly. I have to explain every time that they have to call some kind of computer/windoze service and pay to have things repaired. Some still insist that it's our fault, they we have to go to them, run some DVD-bootable linux distro with web browser and show that all is fine :) From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Fri Jun 5 16:27:47 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Fri Jun 5 16:27:54 2009 Subject: ISP questions In-Reply-To: <4A2925AA.4030909@ibctech.ca> References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <64c038660906042034v43b340c6jf1e001ac9941f1f6@mail.gmail.com> <4A2920F5.7040504@ibctech.ca> <20090605095038.7ab14b7b.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <4A2925AA.4030909@ibctech.ca> Message-ID: > You are absolutely right, and I'm glad you pointed that out. Even I will > admit to not minding hanging on the phone a few extra minutes with a > calm, polite user (no matter how 'green' they are) if they do what I say > (without click-click-clicking in the background) throughout the > troubleshooting process. To be honest i just don't know windows much so i can't help much. > We *always* will be up front and honest if we (or any of our wholesalers > or intermediaries) are having issues (that we know about). And that's right. Same if WE have/had problems we simply tell clients the truth. > It's the users who scream and bitch and claim "it hasn't worked for a > month!", Simply answer "why didn't you call month ago? As you called now, i count this as problem started today". From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Fri Jun 5 16:30:28 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Fri Jun 5 16:30:37 2009 Subject: ISP questions In-Reply-To: <4A2927E5.6070407@cs.okstate.edu> References: <4096aedd0906040923p6288e319ia083f47c7ccc29e1@mail.gmail.com> <64c038660906042034v43b340c6jf1e001ac9941f1f6@mail.gmail.com> <4A2920F5.7040504@ibctech.ca> <4A2927E5.6070407@cs.okstate.edu> Message-ID: > I did the support gig for the better part of two years when I started > school. It was difficult, especially when the people that were > frustrated, angry, and determined to take it out on me had broken or > ancient hardware and lived out in the boondocks where audible crackling Just put the earphone on table and wait until the noise ends :) > I even had a guy call in once who got irate with me because I wouldn't > help him troubleshoot why his video card was displaying only 256 colors. Simply because it's not your job. > them, how to edit the zone files, etc. When that ISP was acquired by a > larger one, and operations expanded and the different departments > separated, things started getting dumb. Rapidly. And that's why in any normal system big companies will loose to small ones. Small company will ALWAYS be better managed, and run cheaper. But we don't live in normal system. From jhelfman at e-e.com Fri Jun 5 16:49:05 2009 From: jhelfman at e-e.com (Jason Helfman) Date: Fri Jun 5 16:49:11 2009 Subject: openoffice.org-3 compiling issue In-Reply-To: <4A28AE22.1080101@otenet.gr> References: <20090604211248.GA34388@eggman.experts-exchange.com> <4A28AE22.1080101@otenet.gr> Message-ID: <20090605164900.GC1040@eggman.experts-exchange.com> On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 08:33:22AM +0300, Manolis Kiagias thus spake: >Jason wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Newbie to FreeBSD here, however I have been studying like a madman, >> running >> it on my desktop, and administering systems on a daily basis so I've >> learned >> quiet a bit recently. >> >> I am trying to install openoffice.org-3 port, and am receiving the >> following >> error. >> >> 1 module(s): openssl >> need(s) to be rebuilt >> >> Reason(s): >> >> ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making >> /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/BEB300_m3/openssl >> >> Attention: if you build and deliver the above module(s) you may prolongue >> your the build issuing command "build --from openssl" >> >> *** Error code 1 >> >> Stop in /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3. >> >> At first I received this error, I was running -j5 with my make >> command, but >> after removing that I managed to get pass the initial error that included >> icu and ssl issues. >> >> All posts that look similar to the error I am having, have no replies to >> them. >> >> Thanks, >> Jason > >Which version of FreeBSD are you using? 7.1 >I am getting the above error trying to compile openoffice 3 on >8.0-CURRENT tinderbox (and I tried several times, updating to the latest >current). >It compiles normally on 7.2-RELEASE (haven't tested on stable). After updating my ports tree, I was albe to do a successful build. Thanks very much. -jgh From utisoft at googlemail.com Fri Jun 5 16:51:20 2009 From: utisoft at googlemail.com (Chris Rees) Date: Fri Jun 5 16:51:27 2009 Subject: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD In-Reply-To: <200906050924.23167.kirk@strauser.com> References: <20090604210006.GA33278@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <200906050924.23167.kirk@strauser.com> Message-ID: 2009/6/5 Kirk Strauser : > On Thursday 04 June 2009 04:17:56 pm Chris Rees wrote: > >> Info is horrible to use as a quick reference, because as Polytropon >> said earlier, you can't just dive in to get something specific. The >> info is split into (arbitrary????) sections, through which you have to >> tread, and jump around hyperlinks all over. > > In fairness, a good info browser (eg Emacs) makes searching in an info doc > trivially easy. ?I think the biggest problem is that /usr/bin/info is horrid > and people lump their impression of it onto their impression of info docs as a > whole. > -- > Kirk Strauser Is there a 'quick' way to use emacs instead of info? Like info-emacs topic? I've remembered why I hate the info browser so much; it reminds me of the 'help' included with MS-DOS 6.22. Anyone remember that? Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From utisoft at googlemail.com Fri Jun 5 16:54:43 2009 From: utisoft at googlemail.com (Chris Rees) Date: Fri Jun 5 16:55:01 2009 Subject: Opinion request about a file server In-Reply-To: <139b44430906050557v4ce23a13r259535c3e839deb0@mail.gmail.com> References: <139b44430906050557v4ce23a13r259535c3e839deb0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2009/6/5 Valentin Bud : > Hello community, > > ?I have an old computer (ASRock P4Dual-915GL) with Intel P4 > CPU at 3.0Ghz and 2Gb of RAM. > > ?I am asking the list maybe is somebody out there with a similar > configuration > and running FreeBSD on such a system as a File Server and Print Server > using samba. > > ?What i mainly try to achieve, talking in storage space, is 2 HDD of 1TB in > mirroring using gmirror(8) and 1 separate HDD of 500Gb. > > ?So do you think the system I've mentioned would handle the load? The server > will be > used by 4 people for storage of all sorts of files that can be found in > Design and daily > Office World (Photoshop, Illustrator, etc, Word Documents, etc). > > Thank you, > v > -- > network warrior since 2005 Wow! You have a powerhouse. I'm using this: http://www.bayofrum.net/phpsysinfo for *everything*; web server, mail server, file server, the odd bittorrent (usually for ubuntu, I don't touch warez :P), and even run a Left 4 Dead server on it from time to time... Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From glarkin at FreeBSD.org Fri Jun 5 16:54:49 2009 From: glarkin at FreeBSD.org (Greg Larkin) Date: Fri Jun 5 16:55:02 2009 Subject: GCC/GCJ and pdftk In-Reply-To: <4A293723.9000804@netmusician.org> References: <4A293723.9000804@netmusician.org> Message-ID: <4A294DD5.7050900@FreeBSD.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Joe Auty wrote: > Hello, > > I'm a little confused. > > I need pdftk to compile on an amd64 system, and see in the pdftk > Makefile the following: > >> # gcj/libgcj don't exist on these platforms >> NOT_FOR_ARCHS= amd64 ia64 sparc64 > > However, I've also read in the pdftk port logs that gcj is included in > GCC 3.4+ when WITHOUT_JAVA in the GCC Makefile is set to no or commented > out. So, I compiled GCC with gcj support without a problem, and > commented out the NOT_FOR_ARCHS line above to force an install of pdftk: > >> ===> pdftk-1.41 depends on executable: gmake - found >> ===> pdftk-1.41 depends on shared library: gcj - not found >> ===> Verifying install for gcj in /usr/ports/lang/gcc42 >> ===> Returning to build of pdftk-1.41 >> Error: shared library "gcj" does not exist > > gcj does indeed exist in /usr/ports/lang/gcc42: > >> # find /usr/ports/lang/gcc42 -name "gcj" >> /usr/ports/lang/gcc42/work/gcc-4.2-20090325/libjava/gnu/gcj >> /usr/ports/lang/gcc42/work/gcc-4.2-20090325/libjava/gcj >> /usr/ports/lang/gcc42/work/build/gcc/gcj > > > Any suggestions as to what I can do to build pdftk? This particular > project will surely be much harder if I can't get pdftk to build/compile... > > Thanks very much in advance! > > > > Hi Joe, I'm the pdftk port maintainer, and I've got an amd64 build machine here. Let me have a crack at it and see what I can figure out. If you run into any other insights in the mean time, please let me know. Cheers, Greg - -- Greg Larkin http://www.FreeBSD.org/ - The Power To Serve http://www.sourcehosting.net/ - Ready. Set. Code. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKKU3V0sRouByUApARApMmAJ97ErsMvbtI/O6ipY34nFAN2hyKvgCgo0dI Kx6qnJdo45CmTBTY7146UAU= =LMI7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From yuri at rawbw.com Fri Jun 5 16:57:16 2009 From: yuri at rawbw.com (Yuri) Date: Fri Jun 5 16:57:22 2009 Subject: What is the equivalent of Linux command 'ps --forest'? Message-ID: <4A294E6A.7070205@rawbw.com> How can I see processes in a hierarchical way? Yuri From fbsd at brightstar.bomgardner.net Fri Jun 5 17:01:45 2009 From: fbsd at brightstar.bomgardner.net (Gene) Date: Fri Jun 5 17:01:52 2009 Subject: Wireless Woes (NDIS, WPA2) In-Reply-To: <3a142e750906041618n132196e8y638e12aabf27453@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090604204438.M13014@brightstar.bomgardner.net> <3a142e750906041618n132196e8y638e12aabf27453@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090605165231.M1533@brightstar.bomgardner.net> On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 23:18:42 +0000, Paul B. Mahol wrote > On 6/4/09, Gene wrote: > > Hi All: > > > > I'm trying to get wireless working on a laptop. It works fine as long as no > > encryption is used, but if I try to use either WEP or WPA2, I ueem to always > > wind up with > > > > Status: No Carrier > > > > Any help greatly appreciated. > > _____________________- > > > > >From /etc/rc.conf: > > > > ifconfig_ndis0="WPA DHCP" > > > > >From wpa_supplicant.conf > > > > network={ > > ssid="northstar" > > psk="Passphrase here" > > } > > > > >From /var/log/messages > > > > ndis0: mem 0x88000000-0x8800ffff > > irq > > 5 at device 0.0 on cardbus0 > > ndis0: [ITHREAD] > > ndis0: NDIS API version: 5.1 > > NDIS: could not find file preparse.ini in linker list > > NDIS: and no filesystems mounted yet, aborting NdisOpenFile() > > NDIS: could not find file regAdd.txt in linker list > > NDIS: and no filesystems mounted yet, aborting NdisOpenFile() > > > > ndis0: WARNING: using obsoleted if_watchdog interface > > ndis0: Ethernet address: 00:18:39:17:28:35 > > > > And from ifconfig ndis0 scan: > > > > genesis# ifconfig ndis0 scan > > > > SSID BSSID CHAN RATE S:N INT CAPS > > northstar 00:21:91:de:3f:8d 1 54M -51:-96 100 EPS > > > > And finally from ifconfig ndis0: > > > > genesis# ifconfig ndiso > > > > ndis0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 > > ether 00:18:39:17:28:35 > > media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect > > status: no carrier > > ssid "" channel 1 (2412 Mhz 11b) > > authmode OPEN privacy OFF bmiss 7 scanvalid 60 roaming MANUAL > > bintval 0 > > > > ________________________ > > > > IHN, > > Gene > > > > -- > > To everything there is a season, > > And a time to every purpose under heaven. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > Look in output from wpa_supplicant using -d switch > for information about possible misconfiguration. > > # wpa_supplicant -d -Dndis -iwlan0 -cMY_CONF.FILE > > -- > Paul Paul - thanks for the response. Did the above - the output shows that wlan could not be found. It's loaded according to kldstat so I'm not sure what's going on. Should there be an entry for wlan in rc.conf? Output from wpa_supplicant is below. Yhanks! ________________ genesis# wpa_supplicant -dd -Dndis -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf Initializing interface 'wlan0' conf '/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf' driver 'ndis' ctrl_interface 'N/A' bridge 'N/A' Configuration file '/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf' -> '/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf' Reading configuration file '/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf' Line: 1 - start of a new network block ssid - hexdump_ascii(len=9): 6e 6f 72 74 68 73 74 61 72 northstar PSK (ASCII passphrase) - hexdump_ascii(len=15): [REMOVED] PSK (from passphrase) - hexdump(len=32): [REMOVED] Priority group 0 id=0 ssid='northstar' Initializing interface (2) 'wlan0' EAPOL: SUPP_PAE entering state DISCONNECTED EAPOL: KEY_RX entering state NO_KEY_RECEIVE EAPOL: SUPP_BE entering state INITIALIZE EAP: EAP entering state DISABLED EAPOL: External notification - portEnabled=0 EAPOL: External notification - portValid=0 NDIS: Packet.dll version: FreeBSD WinPcap compatibility shim v1.0 NDIS: 1 adapter names found NDIS: 1 adapter descriptions found NDIS: 0 - ndis0 - ndis0 NDIS: Could not find interface 'wlan0' Failed to initialize driver interface Failed to add interface wlan0 Cancelling scan request Cancelling authentication timeout genesis# IHN, Gene -- To everything there is a season, And a time to every purpose under heaven. From kirk at strauser.com Fri Jun 5 17:08:49 2009 From: kirk at strauser.com (Kirk Strauser) Date: Fri Jun 5 17:08:55 2009 Subject: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD In-Reply-To: References: <200906050924.23167.kirk@strauser.com> Message-ID: <200906051208.43135.kirk@strauser.com> On Friday 05 June 2009 11:50:58 am Chris Rees wrote: > Is there a 'quick' way to use emacs instead of info? Like info-emacs topic? Not that I know of. :-/ > I've remembered why I hate the info browser so much; it reminds me of > the 'help' included with MS-DOS 6.22. Anyone remember that? Ouch. You had to go there, didn't you? -- Kirk Strauser From onemda at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 17:12:09 2009 From: onemda at gmail.com (Paul B. Mahol) Date: Fri Jun 5 17:12:17 2009 Subject: What is the equivalent of Linux command 'ps --forest'? In-Reply-To: <4A294E6A.7070205@rawbw.com> References: <4A294E6A.7070205@rawbw.com> Message-ID: <3a142e750906051012u73178f76wfe4ee3726414c1a2@mail.gmail.com> On 6/5/09, Yuri wrote: > How can I see processes in a hierarchical way? http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-head/2009-May/006912.html or pstree from ports. -- Paul From dkelly at hiwaay.net Fri Jun 5 17:36:43 2009 From: dkelly at hiwaay.net (David Kelly) Date: Fri Jun 5 17:36:50 2009 Subject: Opinion request about a file server In-Reply-To: References: <139b44430906050557v4ce23a13r259535c3e839deb0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090605173641.GB16153@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 06:16:49PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > >What i mainly try to achieve, talking in storage space, is 2 HDD of 1TB in > >mirroring using gmirror(8) and 1 separate HDD of 500Gb. > > > >So do you think the system I've mentioned would handle the load? The server > > 10 times more power than needed. disks speed is the only limit I have a P-II at 400 MHz running as a file server. See about 5 MB/sec on most file transfers. Has one of the original 15GB IBM Deskstar drives, and a much slower 6 GB WD drive. Both on ATA16 interfaces. I suspect network speed will determine the limits. A modern SATA drive should be sequentially read or write at at least 80 MB/sec. while a 100M bit/sec ethernet will be limited to 11 MB/sec. Latency of disk drive and network are usually the limiting factors, not server CPU. With gigabit ethernet one could reasonably expect to see 25MB/sec file rates. Depends a lot as to how big the file, the bigger the faster. Used smartctl just now to check, the Deskstar drive has 50331 hours of run time, 5.7 years. Has only been power cycled 72 times. Run time seems low as I have almost never turned this drive off since 2000. The WD drive claims to have 1418293 hours of uptime. Know that is not right. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From perrin at apotheon.com Fri Jun 5 17:42:28 2009 From: perrin at apotheon.com (Chad Perrin) Date: Fri Jun 5 17:42:35 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090602163749.GA23560@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Message-ID: <20090605173658.GA87456@kokopelli.hydra> On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 07:59:55PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>other programs i have on disk, my addressbook etc. > > > >YES! This is the biggest of the three things I have against MS > >and one of the main reasons for using FreeBSD and other Open Source > >software as much as possible. > > I think we all forget about third case, open and closed source being first > two. > > The case when you PAY for the product, you are not allowed to copy it to > others but you do get a source. > > It was common years ago with software like unix. And still exist just it's > not common. That's not really any different from closed source software in the end, because there's no guarantee that the officially "blessed" binary wasn't compiled from code modified to do things that the source provided to you doesn't do. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Marvin Minsky: ". . . anyone could learn Lisp in 1 day, except that if they already knew Fortran, it would take 3 days." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 196 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/attachments/20090605/dad8b94a/attachment.pgp From perrin at apotheon.com Fri Jun 5 17:45:49 2009 From: perrin at apotheon.com (Chad Perrin) Date: Fri Jun 5 17:45:57 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> Message-ID: <20090605174025.GB87456@kokopelli.hydra> On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 12:49:14AM +0100, Bruce Cran wrote: > On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:59:51 +0200 (CEST) > Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > > I would add - with Open Source add it's far smaller (actually close > > to zero) probability that it doesn't do anything except it's supposed > > to do. > > > > I mean things like sending private data to someone else, scanning for > > other programs i have on disk, my addressbook etc. > > Given enough incentive, it unfortunately seems even open source > developers will resort to sneaky tactics: > http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/05/mozilla-ponders-policy-change-after-firefox-extension-battle.ars It's worth noting that this was discovered relatively quickly and became public knowledge. If it was closed source software, there's basically just be complaints about incompatibility and speculation without hard evidence. Yes, such perfidy *can* occur even in open source software, but it's easier to discover and, I believe, less likely to occur because of that ease of discovery. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Malaclypse the Younger: "'Tis an ill wind that blows no minds." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Slight tangent, and you may have mentioned it before: What window manager do you use? > > Unfortunately there are no well done WWW browsers for unix in the world. > links -g is an exceptions, but in the same time it's quite limited. > But have best fonts :) The links browser's interface is crap, as is that of every other text console based browser I've ever encountered. Moving around within a page and selecting a link are two tasks for which text console based browsers have not provided an even halfway decent interface. It seems as though Web browsers provide a rare case of an application type that is specifically suited primarily for a mouse-driven interface. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Scott McNealy: "Microsoft is now talking about the digital nervous system. I guess I would be nervous if my system was built on their technology too." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Yuri From vogelke+unix at pobox.com Fri Jun 5 18:07:57 2009 From: vogelke+unix at pobox.com (Karl Vogel) Date: Fri Jun 5 18:08:03 2009 Subject: ISP questions In-Reply-To: <4A2920F5.7040504@ibctech.ca> (message from Steve Bertrand on Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:43:17 -0400) Message-ID: <20090605180730.DF1B1BED2@kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil> >> On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:43:17 -0400, >> Steve Bertrand said: S> If you've ever had a job in which every single incoming call is someone S> who is frustrated, angry and is going to take it out on *you*, it might S> be understandable why the tech support call centre business is like an S> employee revolving door, and they can't keep anyone longer than a few S> months. I've been at a US Air Force MIS helpdesk since Sept 1988. I wrote an article about some of my favorite tools, and as an aside I mentioned my time working in IT support. My favorite article comment: "If I'm still doing this in 21 years, someone please write a program to kill me." -- Karl Vogel I don't speak for the USAF or my company Oh anchor bimbo, The gleam from your whitened teeth Gives me a migraine. --snotty media haiku From onemda at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 18:09:23 2009 From: onemda at gmail.com (Paul B. Mahol) Date: Fri Jun 5 18:09:30 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: <20090605174621.GC87456@kokopelli.hydra> References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> <20090605174621.GC87456@kokopelli.hydra> Message-ID: <3a142e750906051109p3faf486dt754eecbd2bb8e928@mail.gmail.com> On 6/5/09, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 08:49:50AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >> but it's at least much more difficult. And - my other rule fits very well >> here. Avoid OVERCOMPLEX programs. > > I tend to agree with this take on things, and I follow a similar > philosophy of software choice. > > Slight tangent, and you may have mentioned it before: What window manager > do you use? > > >> >> Unfortunately there are no well done WWW browsers for unix in the world. >> links -g is an exceptions, but in the same time it's quite limited. >> But have best fonts :) > > The links browser's interface is crap, as is that of every other text > console based browser I've ever encountered. Moving around within a > page and selecting a link are two tasks for which text console based > browsers have not provided an even halfway decent interface. It seems as > though Web browsers provide a rare case of an application type that is > specifically suited primarily for a mouse-driven interface. I use mouse with elinks & vim in console without problems. -- Paul From perrin at apotheon.com Fri Jun 5 18:10:37 2009 From: perrin at apotheon.com (Chad Perrin) Date: Fri Jun 5 18:10:44 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: References: <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com> <20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: <20090605180512.GD87456@kokopelli.hydra> On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 08:32:38PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > Everyone can find them and fix, but at the same time everyone can find > them and use them. > > With closed source both are more difficult. That's not strictly true. In general, it's easier to discover vulnerabilities through reverse engineering techniques, fuzzing, et cetera, than by sifting through source code. The exceptions are cases where someone made a *really* bone-headed coding error. As a result, except when a programmer who adds code to the project is just completely incompetent (or has such an incompetent moment -- we all make mistakes), and it somehow passes review by other people on the development team (unlikely unless people aren't reviewing each others' code), it really isn't any easier to discover security vulnerabilities in open source software than in closed source software. The purely technical difference provided by open source software when it comes to vulnerability discovery and patching is that, once a vulnerability has been found, its origins in the source code can be tracked down and patched by *anyone*. In short, in technical terms, open source software makes it easier to *fix* vulnerabilities because it opens the pool of potential patch developers beyond the core team, but it doesn't really make it any easier to *discover* vulnerabilities in the general case. Then, of course, there are the social effects -- which encourage people who have a healthy interest in the software to contribute to its security and stability through a number of related social mechanisms. Overall, it's a tremendous win for open source software development. That doesn't mean that any given open source application will necessarily, inherently be more secure than any given closed source equivalent. It does, however, mean that if you're a betting man, your chances of winning a bet lie with the open source application, all else being equal. > > >In MICROS~1 land, you give yourself entirely into the hand of a > >corporation that is not interested in selling secure products, > > So this is not open/closed source problem, but micro-soft approach. > They just don't care about security. As they don't care about performance > and about bugs. But that's just micro-soft. Part of the problem of closed source software is that it provides a kind of "safe haven" for such unscrupulous software developers and vendors, where many such failings of secure development may go unnoticed due to the inability to determine exactly what's going on under the hood once you've noticed there's something wrong with the application. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Common Reformulation of Greenspun's Tenth Rule: Any sufficiently complicated non-Lisp program contains an ad hoc informally-specified bug-ridden slow implementation of half of Common Lisp. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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That's just one more thing Microsoft does wrong with software development, of course. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Dennis Miller: "Bill Gates is a monocle and a Persian Cat away from being the villain in a James Bond movie." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 196 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/attachments/20090605/14176f17/attachment.pgp From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Fri Jun 5 18:15:16 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Fri Jun 5 18:15:23 2009 Subject: ISP questions In-Reply-To: <20090605180730.DF1B1BED2@kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil> References: <20090605180730.DF1B1BED2@kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil> Message-ID: > S> months. > > I've been at a US Air Force MIS helpdesk since Sept 1988. I wrote an > article about some of my favorite tools, and as an aside I mentioned > my time working in IT support. My favorite article comment: > > "If I'm still doing this in 21 years, someone please write a > program to kill me." just read polish article about whole US army having to switch to windows vista because someone decided so - no i fully understand you :) From perrin at apotheon.com Fri Jun 5 18:15:42 2009 From: perrin at apotheon.com (Chad Perrin) Date: Fri Jun 5 18:15:50 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE9E@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> References: <20090603225625.0a828067.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE9E@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> Message-ID: <20090605181017.GF87456@kokopelli.hydra> On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 04:06:18PM -0500, Gary Gatten wrote: > > Whatever happened to BeOS? Be went out of business. There have been a couple of clone projects to spring up since then. As mentioned, there's Haiku, the heir apparent to BeOS at this point. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Paul Graham: "SUVs are gross because they're the solution to a gross problem. (How to make minivans look more masculine.)" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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See about 5 MB/sec on it depends from both sides ability, but pentium 100 with SDRAM memory can saturate 100Mbit/s network running FreeBSD 6.2 From perrin at apotheon.com Fri Jun 5 18:17:07 2009 From: perrin at apotheon.com (Chad Perrin) Date: Fri Jun 5 18:17:14 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: References: <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com> <20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE90@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090603213531.c56f385b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090603201342.GA8685@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20090605181142.GG87456@kokopelli.hydra> On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 09:50:24PM +0100, Chris Rees wrote: > 2009/6/3 Roland Smith : > > On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 09:35:31PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > >> On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:46:15 -0500, "Gary Gatten" wrote: > >> > Isn't there an "OpenVMS" somewhere? > > > > There is an open source clone in the works: http://www.freevms.net/ > > No idea of the state it is in. > > > > The OZONE OS [http://www.o3one.org/] uses a lot of VMS concepts. > > I just LOVE the webpage. The kind of one I'd make in my spare time... That's horrifying. Remind me to never visit one of your Webpages. Luckily, I can touch-type, because the temporary blindness induced by that site when the bright yellow irradiated my retinas still hasn't entirely faded. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Georg Hackl: "American beer is the first successful attempt at diluting water." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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ALT-X start xterm full screen so xterm "window" looks like text console, with the exception that i can run X program directly. I can post my config if you wish, it's <1700 bytes. >> Unfortunately there are no well done WWW browsers for unix in the world. >> links -g is an exceptions, but in the same time it's quite limited. >> But have best fonts :) > > The links browser's interface is crap, as is that of every other text why? > console based browser I've ever encountered. Moving around within a moving works well. From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Fri Jun 5 18:22:30 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Fri Jun 5 18:22:37 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: <20090605180806.GE87456@kokopelli.hydra> References: <20090603091800.GA1177@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603102720.GB1349@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com> <20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090605180806.GE87456@kokopelli.hydra> Message-ID: >> >> A counter-example is VMS. It is a commercial product, but highly >> reliable and secure. > > It's also a much *simpler* piece of software than something like MS > Windows, which makes it much easier to secure. you meant more logical? It's really hard to take care of software product that looks like random mess of different programs+patches without any higher idea - which micro-soft windows is. From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Fri Jun 5 18:23:04 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Fri Jun 5 18:23:11 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: <20090605181142.GG87456@kokopelli.hydra> References: <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <4ad871310906030653o62d7e708w1a7be44334ab8dab@mail.gmail.com> <20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE90@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090603213531.c56f385b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090603201342.GA8685@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090605181142.GG87456@kokopelli.hydra> Message-ID: >>> >>> The OZONE OS [http://www.o3one.org/] uses a lot of VMS concepts. >> >> I just LOVE the webpage. The kind of one I'd make in my spare time... > > That's horrifying. Remind me to never visit one of your Webpages. > > Luckily, I can touch-type, because the temporary blindness induced by > that site when the bright yellow irradiated my retinas still hasn't > entirely faded. > so use text mode links/elinks :) From dickey at radix.net Fri Jun 5 18:33:30 2009 From: dickey at radix.net (Thomas Dickey) Date: Fri Jun 5 18:33:37 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: <20090605174621.GC87456@kokopelli.hydra> References: <4d3f56c90906020812t40c5fcbv178bcd7f702356f@mail.gmail.com> <4ad871310906020843n3e7dc96ap28d5d622e844abf1@mail.gmail.com> <20090603004914.73f40a60@gluon.draftnet> <20090605174621.GC87456@kokopelli.hydra> Message-ID: <20090605183328.GC19113@saltmine.radix.net> On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 11:46:21AM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: > The links browser's interface is crap, as is that of every other text > console based browser I've ever encountered. Moving around within a > page and selecting a link are two tasks for which text console based > browsers have not provided an even halfway decent interface. It seems as > though Web browsers provide a rare case of an application type that is > specifically suited primarily for a mouse-driven interface. lynx, (e)links(2) and w3m all support a mouse... -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net From perrin at apotheon.com Fri Jun 5 19:07:24 2009 From: perrin at apotheon.com (Chad Perrin) Date: Fri Jun 5 19:07:31 2009 Subject: Can a Bourn Shell Script put itself in the background? In-Reply-To: <560f92640906040929p3786dd30n9b6a11dded90a44a@mail.gmail.com> References: <200906041406.n54E6Fts006668@dc.cis.okstate.edu> <560f92640906040929p3786dd30n9b6a11dded90a44a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090605190200.GH87456@kokopelli.hydra> On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 09:29:30AM -0700, Nerius Landys wrote: > Just a thought, you can use the screen utility depending on what you > are trying to do. For example if you want to start a job, long out of > the machine completely, and then return to your job to see how it's > running, you may choose to run screen. > > > screen bash > (Press Control-A then d) > (Logout from shell) > (Log back in) > > screen -r . . . or use tmux instead of GNU Screen, if you like. I got the impression this question was about a script backgrounding itself, though -- possibly creating a daemon using bash. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Malaclypse the Younger: "'Tis an ill wind that blows no minds." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The > server > will be > used by 4 people for storage of all sorts of files that can be found in > Design and daily > Office World (Photoshop, Illustrator, etc, Word Documents, etc). > > Thank you, > v The short answer is yes - this will be fine for what you need. This is one place where FreeBSD is very good. It will give you performance on slightly downlevel hardware that Windows Server just can't touch. -Mike From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Fri Jun 5 19:49:17 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Fri Jun 5 19:49:24 2009 Subject: Opinion request about a file server In-Reply-To: References: <139b44430906050557v4ce23a13r259535c3e839deb0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > This is one place where FreeBSD is very good. It will give you performance > on slightly downlevel hardware that Windows Server just can't touch. > is really pentium 4 "downlevel" hardware? sound like a joke to me. i made all-need server for small office (8 people) using PIII/500 and 384 MB RAM. i charged them only for configuration and new harddrive, server is for free :) it runs mail server (including spamassassin, and dovecot), file and print server (samba), asterisk VoIP software, squid proxy and www server. with proper configuration it rarely swaps, and can easily saturate 100Mbit/s LAN, just not with single transfer, but it's not hardware problem, but windows problem :) From sonicy at otenet.gr Fri Jun 5 20:13:49 2009 From: sonicy at otenet.gr (Manolis Kiagias) Date: Fri Jun 5 20:13:57 2009 Subject: Opinion request about a file server In-Reply-To: References: <139b44430906050557v4ce23a13r259535c3e839deb0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A297C7A.8050809@otenet.gr> Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> This is one place where FreeBSD is very good. It will give you >> performance >> on slightly downlevel hardware that Windows Server just can't touch. >> > is really pentium 4 "downlevel" hardware? sound like a joke to me. > > Not really. But considering how everyone is buying Core Duos and quads these days, you can get decent P4s for free. Not that I complain about it ;) Got three of them running and have donated few more. From utisoft at googlemail.com Fri Jun 5 20:19:25 2009 From: utisoft at googlemail.com (Chris Rees) Date: Fri Jun 5 20:19:38 2009 Subject: Open_Source In-Reply-To: <20090605181142.GG87456@kokopelli.hydra> References: <20090603133343.GB1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603152939.GF1988@phenom.cordula.ws> <20090603185039.54cdd820.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EE90@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <20090603213531.c56f385b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20090603201342.GA8685@slackbox.xs4all.nl> <20090605181142.GG87456@kokopelli.hydra> Message-ID: 2009/6/5 Chad Perrin : > On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 09:50:24PM +0100, Chris Rees wrote: >> 2009/6/3 Roland Smith : >> > On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 09:35:31PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: >> >> On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:46:15 -0500, "Gary Gatten" wrote: >> >> > Isn't there an "OpenVMS" somewhere? >> > >> > There is an open source clone in the works: http://www.freevms.net/ >> > No idea of the state it is in. >> > >> > The OZONE OS [http://www.o3one.org/] uses a lot of VMS concepts. >> >> I just LOVE the webpage. The kind of one I'd make in my spare time... > > That's horrifying. ?Remind me to never visit one of your Webpages. > > Luckily, I can touch-type, because the temporary blindness induced by > that site when the bright yellow irradiated my retinas still hasn't > entirely faded. > Hehe, mine is the opposite if you're interested; http://www.bayofrum.net Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From utisoft at googlemail.com Fri Jun 5 20:23:28 2009 From: utisoft at googlemail.com (Chris Rees) Date: Fri Jun 5 20:23:38 2009 Subject: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD In-Reply-To: <200906051208.43135.kirk@strauser.com> References: <200906050924.23167.kirk@strauser.com> <200906051208.43135.kirk@strauser.com> Message-ID: 2009/6/5 Kirk Strauser : > On Friday 05 June 2009 11:50:58 am Chris Rees wrote: > >> Is there a 'quick' way to use emacs instead of info? Like info-emacs topic? > > Not that I know of. ?:-/ > >> I've remembered why I hate the info browser so much; it reminds me of >> the 'help' included with MS-DOS 6.22. Anyone remember that? > > Ouch. ?You had to go there, didn't you? I feel GNU is very similar in many ways to DOS, along with their preference for 'long options'. Horrible. You end up with monstrosities of commands. Traditional: % tar xzvf bluurgh.tgz GNU recommended: $ tar --extract --verbose --gunzip --file bluurgh.tgz Seriously, why are long options encouraged? Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? From kurt.buff at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 20:31:09 2009 From: kurt.buff at gmail.com (Kurt Buff) Date: Fri Jun 5 20:31:51 2009 Subject: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD In-Reply-To: References: <200906050924.23167.kirk@strauser.com> <200906051208.43135.kirk@strauser.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 13:23, Chris Rees wrote: > 2009/6/5 Kirk Strauser : >> On Friday 05 June 2009 11:50:58 am Chris Rees wrote: >> >>> Is there a 'quick' way to use emacs instead of info? Like info-emacs topic? >> >> Not that I know of. ?:-/ >> >>> I've remembered why I hate the info browser so much; it reminds me of >>> the 'help' included with MS-DOS 6.22. Anyone remember that? >> >> Ouch. ?You had to go there, didn't you? > > I feel GNU is very similar in many ways to DOS, along with their > preference for 'long options'. Horrible. You end up with monstrosities > of commands. > > Traditional: > > % tar xzvf bluurgh.tgz > > GNU recommended: > > $ tar --extract --verbose --gunzip --file bluurgh.tgz > > Seriously, why are long options encouraged? At a guess? Probably because it allows more options for the command line, and more easily read options, too. Kurt From dickey at radix.net Fri Jun 5 20:31:39 2009 From: dickey at radix.net (Thomas Dickey) Date: Fri Jun 5 20:31:53 2009 Subject: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD In-Reply-To: References: <200906050924.23167.kirk@strauser.com> <200906051208.43135.kirk@strauser.com> Message-ID: <20090605203137.GB14599@saltmine.radix.net> On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 09:23:06PM +0100, Chris Rees wrote: > Seriously, why are long options encouraged? Some programs simply have a lot of options, and after a dozen or so, a single letter loses its mnemonic value. X applications have been using long options for 20 years - long enough to get used to the notion. -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net From nightrecon at verizon.net Fri Jun 5 20:32:50 2009 From: nightrecon at verizon.net (Michael Powell) Date: Fri Jun 5 20:32:57 2009 Subject: Opinion request about a file server References: <139b44430906050557v4ce23a13r259535c3e839deb0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> This is one place where FreeBSD is very good. It will give you >> performance on slightly downlevel hardware that Windows Server just can't >> touch. >> > is really pentium 4 "downlevel" hardware? sound like a joke to me. Sorry - it wasn't really intended that way. Please note that "slightly downlevel..." was meant to refer to a combination of older Netburst architecture and consumer retail motherboard. The Core Xeons that replaced the old Netburst processors are much better performers. In a true datacenter server environment wrt file serving it is better to spend money on I/O rather than CPU. A server motherboard (as opposed to consumer retail) will have better I/O subsystems, enabling better throughput. > i made all-need server for small office (8 people) using PIII/500 and 384 > MB RAM. i charged them only for configuration and new harddrive, server is > for free :) > > it runs mail server (including spamassassin, and dovecot), file and print > server (samba), asterisk VoIP software, squid proxy and www server. Reminds me of my very first FreeBSD server box. It was a Pentium 75MHz that I had overclocked up to 100MHz. I used it on my then dial up connection as a gateway/firewall and pretty much the collection of services you described. With a user load of one (me) it did just fine. > with proper configuration it rarely swaps, and can easily saturate > 100Mbit/s LAN, just not with single transfer, but it's not hardware > problem, but windows problem :) At some point (when I went to a DSL broadband connection) I replaced the above box with a K-6 II 500MHz with 384MB RAM. Same collection of multiple services. This box was previously utilized for beta testing Windows NT 3.5, 3.51, and NT 4. So I was able to make a direct comparison between running Windows NT and FreeBSD on the exact same piece of hardware. FreeBSD simply just made better use of the hardware and outperformed NT. In order to match what FreeBSD was capable of NT would require a more powerful hardware platform. It still remains that, in spite of the OP using a consumer retail motherboard and not a true server component his FreeBSD/Samba arrangement will work just fine for what he and his 4 users have in mind for their needs. I believe the performance characteristics of FreeBSD will maximize his return on CPU cycles. -Mike From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Fri Jun 5 20:48:43 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Fri Jun 5 20:48:50 2009 Subject: Opinion request about a file server In-Reply-To: References: <139b44430906050557v4ce23a13r259535c3e839deb0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > > Sorry - it wasn't really intended that way. Please note that "slightly > downlevel..." was meant to refer to a combination of older Netburst > architecture and consumer retail motherboard. > The Core Xeons that replaced the old Netburst processors are much better > performers. In a true datacenter server environment wrt file serving it is indeed. pentium IV in average usage (contrary to special cases like video encoding) are even 40% slower per clock cycle than pentium III. new core2duo are mostly improved pentium III with higher clock and more cache :) > better to spend money on I/O rather than CPU. A server motherboard (as > opposed to consumer retail) will have better I/O subsystems, enabling better > throughput. indeed. in most unix usage patterns it's more important than CPU speed. >> with proper configuration it rarely swaps, and can easily saturate >> 100Mbit/s LAN, just not with single transfer, but it's not hardware >> problem, but windows problem :) > > At some point (when I went to a DSL broadband connection) I replaced the > above box with a K-6 II 500MHz with 384MB RAM. Same collection of multiple somehow comparable to my config with sligtly slower CPU, would perform similar in my case. > services. This box was previously utilized for beta testing Windows NT 3.5, > 3.51, and NT 4. So I was able to make a direct comparison between running > Windows NT and FreeBSD on the exact same piece of hardware. FreeBSD simply there is no sense of any comparision ;) > just made better use of the hardware and outperformed NT. In order to match > what FreeBSD was capable of NT would require a more powerful hardware > platform. No. it can't do most things that unix is capable of, unless you install cygwin ;) > will work just fine for what he and his 4 users have in mind for their > needs. I believe the performance characteristics of FreeBSD will maximize > his return on CPU cycles. my home laptop (PIII-M/1133) is rarely limited by CPU power. From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Fri Jun 5 20:49:31 2009 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Fri Jun 5 20:49:38 2009 Subject: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD In-Reply-To: References: <200906050924.23167.kirk@strauser.com> <200906051208.43135.kirk@strauser.com> Message-ID: > GNU recommended: > > $ tar --extract --verbose --gunzip --file bluurgh.tgz > > Seriously, why are long options encouraged? > there are people that like to write a lot? ;) From gpeel at thenetnow.com Fri Jun 5 20:49:56 2009 From: gpeel at thenetnow.com (Grant Peel) Date: Fri Jun 5 20:50:03 2009 Subject: RegEx Message-ID: <512055A7FA6F44DCB287AB729AED7351@GRANT> Hi all, Does anyone know of a current mailing list that discusses regular expressions? I have Googled a number of time, but everything I find is old. Specifically, I am looking for a modification to this per code: #!/usr/local/bin/perl ... my $iframeexp="[\IFRAMEiframe]"; ... foreach (@readin){ ... if( $_ =~ /$iframeexp/) { print "Found Match in (HTML?) $fullname\n"; $_ =~ s/$iframeexp/$replace/g; $matched = 1; if ($logfiles == 1) { open(LOG, ">>$logpath") or warn "cannot open $logpath"; print LOG "IFRAME (HTML?) found in $fullname\n"; close(LOG); ... exit; That does not strip out the part of a line that in an html file (if the