From yuri at rawbw.com  Sat Nov  1 00:12:27 2008
From: yuri at rawbw.com (Yuri)
Date: Sat Nov  1 00:12:33 2008
Subject: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
Message-ID: <490C0159.3000908@rawbw.com>

I tried using it but Desktop view window that was initially created when 
I first launched kde4 doesn't appear with the second launch.
I believe KDE4 isn't ready yet.

Anyone can use it without major annoyances?

Yuri

From kline at thought.org  Sat Nov  1 00:38:48 2008
From: kline at thought.org (Gary Kline)
Date: Sat Nov  1 00:38:55 2008
Subject: why does firefox not display icons?
In-Reply-To: <20081031221936.5df24653.freebsd@edvax.de>
References: <20081031202354.GA5768@thought.org>
	<20081031221936.5df24653.freebsd@edvax.de>
Message-ID: <20081101073806.GA25486@thought.org>

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 10:19:36PM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:23:57 -0700, Gary Kline <kline@thought.org> wrote:
> > Hey guys,
> > 
> > in trying to get firefox to work with flash-9, i must have done Something
> > so that now, ff no longer displays, say, the google icons.  there is just
> > a red dot, or the string "[IMAGE]" where a jpg should be.
> 
> One possibility could be that you accidently switched off
> "show images" in some preference dialog. Maybe you could
> check this?


	I've checked this N times and have "Load images automagically"
	checkmarked.  Can any firefox [not ff3] user 2-check to see if there
	is some image-loader that I missed?

	thanks anyway, Polyt.

	gary
> 
> Allthough Firefox is not my primary browser (which is Opera),
> I think there is some setting that prevents images from bein
> loaded. Instead, the alt or longdesc attribute of the <img>
> tag is shown, or, in case that an image has been referenced
> that does not exist, a red dot or X is shown.
> 
> At least, that how your situation looks to me...
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Polytropon
> From Magdeburg, Germany
> Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
> Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...

-- 
 Gary Kline  kline@thought.org  http://www.thought.org  Public Service Unix
        http://jottings.thought.org   http://transfinite.thought.org


From kline at thought.org  Sat Nov  1 00:49:41 2008
From: kline at thought.org (Gary Kline)
Date: Sat Nov  1 00:49:47 2008
Subject: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
In-Reply-To: <490C0159.3000908@rawbw.com>
References: <490C0159.3000908@rawbw.com>
Message-ID: <20081101074936.GB25486@thought.org>

On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 12:12:25AM -0700, Yuri wrote:
> I tried using it but Desktop view window that was initially created when 
> I first launched kde4 doesn't appear with the second launch.
> I believe KDE4 isn't ready yet.
> 
> Anyone can use it without major annoyances?
> 
> Yuri


	Well, I can answer you in the negative.  So far release or vers 4 is
	missing things.  The clock->calendar for one minor thing.  And KSayIt is
	minus its config dialog that lets you set Speaks, select Jobs, and so on.
	....

	gary

> 
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> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"

-- 
 Gary Kline  kline@thought.org  http://www.thought.org  Public Service Unix
        http://jottings.thought.org   http://transfinite.thought.org


From zhangweiwu at realss.com  Sat Nov  1 04:59:38 2008
From: zhangweiwu at realss.com (Zhang Weiwu)
Date: Sat Nov  1 04:59:47 2008
Subject: fail with wireless network configuration with "SIOCS80211:
 Invalid argument"
In-Reply-To: <3a142e750810310253qf1177ffscd22a38804221fcf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48F24060.9030900@realss.com> <4909C9A2.90806@realss.com>	
	<3a142e750810301726o6bb52c3eyb857ca1e8ce27c89@mail.gmail.com>	
	<490A80F1.2020301@realss.com>
	<3a142e750810310253qf1177ffscd22a38804221fcf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <490C44A6.5070808@realss.com>

Paul B. Mahol wrote:
>
> send output of:
> # ifconfig -v wi0
>   
Hi. Thanks for trying to help. I fixed the problem myself (and
demonstrated I couldn't do a prudent thinking). The mistake is trying to
use shared key in an open-systems wireless network. I managed to get it
right by having

authomode open

after managed to learn the difference of shared and open authmode and
how to tell the mode of local network.
From en0f at bokey.mine.nu  Sat Nov  1 05:04:47 2008
From: en0f at bokey.mine.nu (en0f)
Date: Sat Nov  1 05:04:53 2008
Subject: Funny slogans to put on tshirts
In-Reply-To: <20081031203456.GD4905@kokopelli.hydra>
References: <f1019d520810310229q3d7a49a5m532099d9336f6e59@mail.gmail.com>	<490ADAA1.6000108@bokey.mine.nu>
	<20081031203456.GD4905@kokopelli.hydra>
Message-ID: <490C45DD.1020501@bokey.mine.nu>

Chad Perrin wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 08:44:57PM +1030, en0f wrote:
>> Redd Vinylene wrote:
>>> Hello guys,
>>>
>>> It's my friend's birthday tomorrow. I was thinking I'd make him a
>>> tshirt with some funny slogan on it or something. Preferably something
>>> UNIX related. But I'm all outta ideas. Perhaps y'all can help?
>>> Alright, much obliged, thanks.
>>>
>> * hold it right there buddy.
>> + <silent>
>>
>> * that scruffy beard... those suspenders... that smug expression...
>> + <silent>
>>
>> * you're one of those condescending unix computer users!
>> + here's a nickel, kid. get yourself a better computer.
> 
> Isn't that the script of a Dilbert strip?

Yeah. Its also the cover of APUE by Stevens & Rago if you're curious. However, AFAIK the actual credit goes to S. Adams.

> Maybe, for shirt purposes, just distill that down to its essence:
> 
> "Here's a nickel, kid.  Get yourself a better computer."

Yeah that was my thought as well. :P)

> It could also be modified a bit:
> 
> "Here's a nickel, kid.  Blank CDs are cheap.  Get yourself a better
> operating system."

LMAO. This ones nice as well.

> "Power corrupts.  The command line corrupts absolutely."
> 
> . . . or, altneratively:
> 
> "Power corrupts.  Unix corrupts absolutely."

Both are nice. Cracked me up. Heres another one by Scott -

"If you have trouble sounding condescending,
find a Unix user to show you how it's done."
-Scott Adams

-- 
	en0f
From tethys.ocean at gmail.com  Sat Nov  1 05:38:46 2008
From: tethys.ocean at gmail.com (tethys ocean)
Date: Sat Nov  1 05:38:53 2008
Subject: pyhton apache
In-Reply-To: <geftb7$s62$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <235b80000810311312u46dc0979ndf7d4dc0687095fb@mail.gmail.com>
	<geftb7$s62$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <235b80000811010510o9864b8ahf1f030c17f7637b4@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 11:28 PM, Michael Powell <nightrecon@verizon.net>wrote:

> tethys ocean wrote:
>
> > Hi all
> >
> > I have a problem, a freebsd box that is apache22 and python25-2.5.2_3,
> > mod_python-3.3.1_2   after upgrading phyton web site has stoped with this
> > error "Internal Server Error"
> [snip]
> > [Fri Oct 31 05:05:15 2008] [notice] Digest: done
> > [Fri Oct 31 05:05:16 2008] [notice] Apache/2.2.6 (FreeBSD) mod_ssl/2.2.6
> > OpenSSL/0.9.7e-p1 mod_python/3.3.1 Python/2.4.4 PHP/5.2.4 with
>                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Well Apache seems to think it is still using Python 2.4.4.
>
> > Suhosin-Patch configured -- resuming normal operations
> > [Fri Oct 31 10:06:21 2008] [error] [client 195.217.151.57] client sent
> > HTTP/1.1 request without hostname (see RFC2616 section 14.23):
> > /w00tw00t.at.ISC.SANS.DFind:)
> >
> [snip]
>
> I can't be of much help with this as I am not a Python expert by any means,
> but the first thing that occurs to me is to ask: did you rebuild/reinstall
> mod_python after you upgraded to python25? If not you might want to try
> that first. Restart Apache and see if it no longer shows the Python 2.4.4.
>
> As far as the Python environment(s), you may want to ensure that all
> vestiges of the old python24 are truly gone (especially prior to rebuilding
> mod_python).
>
> You may also try and find confirmation somehow whether or not the code that
> is failing on the web server is even compatible with python25. In such a
> case either update the failing code or downgrade back to python24.
>
> If the server is "production" and you just need it back up fast you may
> consider returning it to its pre-python25 upgrade condition. Then conduct
> your python25 experimentation on a non-production test box.
>
> Before any major change of this sort I _always_ do backup dumps of my
> server. So if something goes south I can immediately restore the server to
> the state it was in prior to mucking it up.
>
> -Mike
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "
> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
>

? am reinstaling many times mod_python-3.3.1_2  and Python25 but in
httpd-error.log still shown *Apache/2.2.6 (FreeBSD) mod_ssl/2.2.6
OpenSSL/0.9.7e-p1 mod_python/3.3.1 Python/2.4.4 PHP/5.2.4 with Suhosin-Patch
configured -- resuming normal *operations

means apache22 is still running with *Python/2.4.4  *how can i get rid of
this?!?



ls /var/db/ports
apache22        php5            py-django
portupgrade     *python25*        ruby




 ls /var/db/pkg/
db41-4.1.25_4               *mod_python-3.3.1_2*     *python25-2.5.2_3*

py24-django-1.0            pkgdb.db                      py24-flup-1.0.1
portupgrade-2.4.6,2     py24-setuptools-0.6c9


-- 
Share now a pigeon's flight
Bluebound along the ancient skies,
Its women forever hair and mammal,
A Mediterranean town may arise
If you rip apart a pigeon's heart.
From Lokadamus at gmx.de  Sat Nov  1 07:05:02 2008
From: Lokadamus at gmx.de (Lokadamus)
Date: Sat Nov  1 07:05:10 2008
Subject: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
In-Reply-To: <490C0159.3000908@rawbw.com>
References: <490C0159.3000908@rawbw.com>
Message-ID: <490C621A.4040300@gmx.de>

Yuri wrote:
> I tried using it but Desktop view window that was initially created 
> when I first launched kde4 doesn't appear with the second launch.
> I believe KDE4 isn't ready yet.
>
> Anyone can use it without major annoyances?
>
> Yuri
>
> _______________________________________________
> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
> To unsubscribe, send any mail to 
> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
>
Missing kde4 in current, found it only in
ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-7.1-release/All/kde4-4.1.1.tbz

OTRS 2.3.3 is out, but in OTRS 2.3.2 some perlmodules will not be 
installed, i think (Text/CSV.pm is missing).

Mailscanner devel is at version 4.72.2, in ports its develversion 4.60.5_3.

Perl is at 5.10, in ports is version 5.8.8, which run good.


:(
From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl  Sat Nov  1 08:34:48 2008
From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar)
Date: Sat Nov  1 08:34:55 2008
Subject: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
In-Reply-To: <490C0159.3000908@rawbw.com>
References: <490C0159.3000908@rawbw.com>
Message-ID: <20081101163322.B10508@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>

> I tried using it but Desktop view window that was initially created when I 
> first launched kde4 doesn't appear with the second launch.
> I believe KDE4 isn't ready yet.
>
> Anyone can use it without major annoyances?

the question should be "Is KDE usable at all on any OS?"
the answer is no, it's crappy imitation of windoze.

If someone needs windoze like soft, just buy windows vista.

For someone who need unix, FreeBSD is a good choice.
From mdh_lists at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  1 08:49:10 2008
From: mdh_lists at yahoo.com (mdh)
Date: Sat Nov  1 08:49:17 2008
Subject: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
In-Reply-To: <20081101163322.B10508@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
Message-ID: <901166.83096.qm@web56804.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

--- On Sat, 11/1/08, Wojciech Puchar <wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> wrote:
> From: Wojciech Puchar <wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
> Subject: Re: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
> To: "Yuri" <yuri@rawbw.com>
> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 11:34 AM
> > I tried using it but Desktop view window that was
> initially created when I first launched kde4 doesn't
> appear with the second launch.
> > I believe KDE4 isn't ready yet.
> > 
> > Anyone can use it without major annoyances?
> 
> the question should be "Is KDE usable at all on any
> OS?"
> the answer is no, it's crappy imitation of windoze.
> 
> If someone needs windoze like soft, just buy windows vista.
> 
> For someone who need unix, FreeBSD is a good choice.

I rather like KDE4.  I don't find that it's like Windows at all, given that Windows is an operating system and KDE4 is a development framework, application suite, and window manager.  There're hefty differences there, not the least of which being that KDE4 isn't an operating system kernel.  In general, I've found it to be well-maintained (some of the window managers I've used in the past went defunct when the 1-2 developers actively working on them got bored or whatever), nicely designed, attractive appearance-wise, and easy to configure.  Let's face it, spending a whole bunch of hours over the course of a few weeks writing a perfect afterstep config was really cool when I was a young'un and didn't have a life to worry about, but nowadays I just want to get on with what needs doing.  KDE allows me to accomplish just that, efficiently, and without leaving me unable to toggle/modify/configure certain things as GNOME does.  

- mdh



      
From guru at unixarea.de  Sat Nov  1 09:04:57 2008
From: guru at unixarea.de (Matthias Apitz)
Date: Sat Nov  1 09:05:05 2008
Subject: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
In-Reply-To: <20081101163322.B10508@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
References: <490C0159.3000908@rawbw.com>
	<20081101163322.B10508@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
Message-ID: <20081101160415.GB14218@rebelion.Sisis.de>

El d?a Saturday, November 01, 2008 a las 04:34:38PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar escribi?:

> >I tried using it but Desktop view window that was initially created when I 
> >first launched kde4 doesn't appear with the second launch.
> >I believe KDE4 isn't ready yet.
> >
> >Anyone can use it without major annoyances?
> 
> the question should be "Is KDE usable at all on any OS?"
> the answer is no, it's crappy imitation of windoze.
> 
> If someone needs windoze like soft, just buy windows vista.
> 
> For someone who need unix, FreeBSD is a good choice.

I disagree concerning "KDE && windoze"; I'm using KDE 3.5.8 and it is a very
good and stable desktop, even for kernel folks and hackers; I run it
with FreeBSD 7.0R on my daily work laptop;

In August I've ported in a test machine from the ports KDE 4.1.0 and it
was to unstable for daily usage, at least at this time;

	matthias
-- 
Matthias Apitz
Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH
Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany
t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211
e <matthias.apitz@oclc.org> - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/
b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/
A computer is like an air conditioner, it stops working when you open Windows
Una computadora es como aire acondicionado, deja de funcionar si abres Windows
From apseudoutopia at gmail.com  Sat Nov  1 09:17:02 2008
From: apseudoutopia at gmail.com (APseudoUtopia)
Date: Sat Nov  1 09:17:09 2008
Subject: port versions query
In-Reply-To: <490B99C1.1020907@ccstores.com>
References: <490B99C1.1020907@ccstores.com>
Message-ID: <27ade5280811010917x14781304q1860f819ed4fb977@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 7:50 PM, Jim Pazarena <fquest@ccstores.com> wrote:
>
> I tried the 5.1 mysql port, and found that it was a 5.1.26-rc ... RC
>
> so I rolled back to 5.0.67
>
> Is there a way to tell in general what version is 'current' for FreeBSD 7?
> How could I query any given port in general and see which version it would install?
> --
> Jim Pazarena  fquest@ccstores.com

You could view the ports tree online at http://www.freebsd.org/ports/

If you read the Makefile, changelog, and/or description, it'll tell
you which version it is.
From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl  Sat Nov  1 09:47:57 2008
From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar)
Date: Sat Nov  1 09:48:03 2008
Subject: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
In-Reply-To: <20081101160415.GB14218@rebelion.Sisis.de>
References: <490C0159.3000908@rawbw.com>
	<20081101163322.B10508@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
	<20081101160415.GB14218@rebelion.Sisis.de>
Message-ID: <20081101174556.L11029@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>


it's SLOW and resource hungry - giving nothing else than a good look. 
that's why i compare it to windoze.

and why you need "desktop" (whatever it means) at all?

just window manager is enough, try fvwm2 maybe icewm maybe other etc.

all of them does exactly what's needed. windows management and menu.

what else do you need to WORK? i mean work, not showing up to your 
friends.
From glyn at millingtons.org  Sat Nov  1 09:58:08 2008
From: glyn at millingtons.org (Glyn Millington)
Date: Sat Nov  1 09:58:16 2008
Subject: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
In-Reply-To: <20081101174556.L11029@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> (Wojciech
	Puchar's message of "Sat\, 1 Nov 2008 17\:47\:47 +0100 \(CET\)")
References: <490C0159.3000908@rawbw.com>
	<20081101163322.B10508@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
	<20081101160415.GB14218@rebelion.Sisis.de>
	<20081101174556.L11029@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
Message-ID: <86bpwzs7te.fsf@nowhere.org>

Wojciech Puchar <wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> writes:

> it's SLOW and resource hungry - giving nothing else than a good
> look. that's why i compare it to windoze.
>
> and why you need "desktop" (whatever it means) at all?
>
> just window manager is enough, try fvwm2 maybe icewm maybe other etc.
>
> all of them does exactly what's needed. windows management and menu.
>
> what else do you need to WORK? i mean work, not showing up to your
> friends.



O reason not the need! Our basest beggars
Are in the poorest thing superfluous.
Allow not nature more than nature needs,
Man's life is as cheap as beast's. Thou art a lady:
If only to go warm were gorgeous,
Why, nature needs not what thou gorgeous wear'st,
Which scarcely keeps thee warm. But, for true need--
You heavens, give me that patience, patience I need.
You see me here, you gods, a poor old man,
As full of grief as age, wretched in both.
If it be you that stirs these daughters' hearts
Against their father, fool me not so much
To bear it tamely; touch me with noble anger,
And let not women's weapons, water drops,
Stain my man's cheeks. No, you unnatural hags!
I will have such revenges on you both
That all the world shall--I will do such things--
What they are, yet I know not; but they shall be
The terrors of the earth. You think I'll weep.
No, I'll not weep.
I have full cause of weeping, but this heart
Shall break into a hundred thousand flaws,
Or ere I'll weep. O Fool, I shall go mad!

(Lear to his daughters Goneril and Regan,
"King Lear," Act 2, Scene 4, lines 263-285)

Sorry - couldn' resist!

atb

Glyn
From prad at towardsfreedom.com  Sat Nov  1 10:36:15 2008
From: prad at towardsfreedom.com (prad)
Date: Sat Nov  1 10:36:21 2008
Subject: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
In-Reply-To: <86bpwzs7te.fsf@nowhere.org>
References: <490C0159.3000908@rawbw.com>
	<20081101163322.B10508@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
	<20081101160415.GB14218@rebelion.Sisis.de>
	<20081101174556.L11029@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
	<86bpwzs7te.fsf@nowhere.org>
Message-ID: <20081101100747.479dbdf3@gom.home>

On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 16:57:17 +0000
Glyn Millington <glyn@millingtons.org> wrote:

> (Lear to his daughters Goneril and Regan,
> "King Lear," Act 2, Scene 4, lines 263-285)
>
glyn,

it is evident from lines 283-285 that lear used windoze.

-- 
In friendship,
prad

                                      ... with you on your journey
Towards Freedom
http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website)
Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's
From yuri at rawbw.com  Sat Nov  1 10:44:00 2008
From: yuri at rawbw.com (Yuri)
Date: Sat Nov  1 10:44:06 2008
Subject: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
In-Reply-To: <20081101174556.L11029@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
References: <490C0159.3000908@rawbw.com>
	<20081101163322.B10508@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
	<20081101160415.GB14218@rebelion.Sisis.de>
	<20081101174556.L11029@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
Message-ID: <490C955C.2010201@rawbw.com>

Wojciech Puchar wrote:
>
> it's SLOW and resource hungry - giving nothing else than a good look. 
> that's why i compare it to windoze.
>
> and why you need "desktop" (whatever it means) at all?

You  need desktop for Unix (Linux) to be adopted by simple users.
Also GUI makes life much easier even for advanced users.
I don't want to deal command lines/config files for mundane
things like finding and setting up wireless networks, playing
CDs/DVDs, etc. GUI integrated with desktop would make this
much less time consuming.
>
> just window manager is enough, try fvwm2 maybe icewm maybe other etc.
>
not really enough.

Unfortunately open source is pretty much a failure when it comes to GUI and
desktop. Any kind of GUI, look at ddd for example. Untested 
development-stage
software (like kde4) is being released to the public for some reason.

Yuri

From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl  Sat Nov  1 11:09:03 2008
From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar)
Date: Sat Nov  1 11:09:10 2008
Subject: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
In-Reply-To: <490C955C.2010201@rawbw.com>
References: <490C0159.3000908@rawbw.com>
	<20081101163322.B10508@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
	<20081101160415.GB14218@rebelion.Sisis.de>
	<20081101174556.L11029@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
	<490C955C.2010201@rawbw.com>
Message-ID: <20081101190520.Y11557@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>

>> and why you need "desktop" (whatever it means) at all?
>
> You  need desktop for Unix (Linux) to be adopted by simple users.

why you want unix be adopted by simple users? they already have windows - 
perfect for them, and exactly what they deserve

> Also GUI makes life much easier even for advanced users.

exactly wrong. it make my life harder. these "advanced" users you say 
don't like to read manuals and do once simple config taking few minutes.

> Unfortunately open source is pretty much a failure when it comes to GUI and
> desktop. Any kind of GUI, look at ddd for example. Untested development-stage
> software (like kde4) is being released to the public for some reason.

they try to compete with windoze - so they behave the same way! who first 
learned that giving unfinished/buggy/incomplete software to users is a 
good (in marketing point of view) thing?

Microsoft! they learn from it.
From maslak at ihlas.net.tr  Sat Nov  1 12:37:09 2008
From: maslak at ihlas.net.tr (Yavuz Maslak)
Date: Sat Nov  1 12:37:17 2008
Subject: about vi editor and turkish char
References: <580480006E6C4B4699FE89EBF5E38145@desktop2002>
	<20081031173310.GA2259@rebelion.Sisis.de>
Message-ID: <5D5DA329DBBC4D628B3639AEEE7E8E15@desktop2002>


Hello,

Where do I have to specify "LANG ... " expression to support  any language 
in VI ?

Ok. I have no problem in many editors about that but I wish to learn for vi 
.




> El d?a Friday, October 31, 2008 a las 06:31:02PM +0200, Yavuz Maslak 
> escribi?:
>
>> Hello
>>
>> I use Freebsd7.0.
>> I am not able to use turkish char while I edit a file with vi editor.
>>
>> How can I correct that ?
>
> Hello,
>
> You could use a 'xterm' with UTF-8 support, a correct LANG environment,
> for example LANG=es_ES.UTF-8, and the editor 'vim' (from the
> ports); to enter UTF-8 chars which are not on your keyboard you could
> use, for example, KDE's application KCharSelect
>
> HIH
>
> matthias
>
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> Windows
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From jdp at elvis.rowan.edu  Sat Nov  1 12:45:35 2008
From: jdp at elvis.rowan.edu (Joe Pellegrino)
Date: Sat Nov  1 12:45:41 2008
Subject: A netgraph question.
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.64.0811011523510.1498@elvis.rowan.edu>


I was wondering if this was the correct list to ask a few questions 
related to netgraph. If not could someone point me to the right one?

---jdp

From listreader at lazlarlyricon.com  Sat Nov  1 12:48:44 2008
From: listreader at lazlarlyricon.com (Rolf G Nielsen)
Date: Sat Nov  1 12:48:51 2008
Subject: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
In-Reply-To: <490C955C.2010201@rawbw.com>
References: <490C0159.3000908@rawbw.com>	<20081101163322.B10508@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>	<20081101160415.GB14218@rebelion.Sisis.de>	<20081101174556.L11029@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
	<490C955C.2010201@rawbw.com>
Message-ID: <490CADB3.4070902@lazlarlyricon.com>

Yuri wrote:
> Wojciech Puchar wrote:
>>
>> it's SLOW and resource hungry - giving nothing else than a good look. 
>> that's why i compare it to windoze.
>>
>> and why you need "desktop" (whatever it means) at all?
> 
> You  need desktop for Unix (Linux) to be adopted by simple users.
> Also GUI makes life much easier even for advanced users.
> I don't want to deal command lines/config files for mundane
> things like finding and setting up wireless networks, playing
> CDs/DVDs, etc. GUI integrated with desktop would make this
> much less time consuming.

If I need to (re)configure the behaviour of som app or part of the 
system, I edit the appropriate config file, which takes about a minute 
or two...

If a user of some fancy desktop with lots of whistles and bells wants to 
do the same, he/she has to browse through an extensive hierarchy of 
categories and subcategories to get to the setting he/she wants to 
change. That hierarchy is more than often far from intuitive, so that 
very same task may take ten minutes or more.

In what way is the latter easier than the first? I see none...

>>
>> just window manager is enough, try fvwm2 maybe icewm maybe other etc.
>>
> not really enough.
> 
> Unfortunately open source is pretty much a failure when it comes to GUI and
> desktop. Any kind of GUI, look at ddd for example. Untested 
> development-stage
> software (like kde4) is being released to the public for some reason.
> 
> Yuri
> 
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> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
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> 
> 


-- 

Sincerly,

Rolf Nielsen
From mdh_lists at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  1 13:09:20 2008
From: mdh_lists at yahoo.com (mdh)
Date: Sat Nov  1 13:09:27 2008
Subject: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
In-Reply-To: <490CADB3.4070902@lazlarlyricon.com>
Message-ID: <120974.86441.qm@web56801.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

--- On Sat, 11/1/08, Rolf G Nielsen <listreader@lazlarlyricon.com> wrote:
> From: Rolf G Nielsen <listreader@lazlarlyricon.com>
> Subject: Re: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
> To: yuri@rawbw.com
> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 3:27 PM
> Yuri wrote:
> > Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> >> 
> >> it's SLOW and resource hungry - giving nothing
> else than a good look. that's why i compare it to
> windoze.
> >> 
> >> and why you need "desktop" (whatever it
> means) at all?
> > 
> > You  need desktop for Unix (Linux) to be adopted by
> simple users.
> > Also GUI makes life much easier even for advanced
> users.
> > I don't want to deal command lines/config files
> for mundane
> > things like finding and setting up wireless networks,
> playing
> > CDs/DVDs, etc. GUI integrated with desktop would make
> this
> > much less time consuming.
> 
> If I need to (re)configure the behaviour of som app or part
> of the system, I edit the appropriate config file, which
> takes about a minute or two...

Unless you've never modified the configs for that app before, in which case you have to learn the configuration format.  It also sometimes occurs that these formats and locations and whatnot are changed between released by the developers.  Above and beyond that, some apps have good configuration documentation and are a breeze.  Others, less so.  

I'm not advocating a user interface for configuring everything, but for certain things which are inherently extremely complex, such as window manager layout and behavior, it's my opinion that it really is a time-saver.  

> 
> If a user of some fancy desktop with lots of whistles and
> bells wants to do the same, he/she has to browse through an
> extensive hierarchy of categories and subcategories to get
> to the setting he/she wants to change. That hierarchy is
> more than often far from intuitive, so that very same task
> may take ten minutes or more.

I find KDE's configuration interface to be intuitive and generally quite sane.  GNOME's isn't lacking in that area either, imho, it's just lacking a lot of options that I feel ought to be tunable parameters (most of which are, but require extensive config file hacking...)  

The simple fact is that I can configure my KDE desktop quicker than someone can, seeking the same granularity of modification, configure something which has no UI for configuration.  
This isn't too big a deal for me, or you, or likely many of the folks on this list, but for someone who is new to FreeBSD and has never hacked a window manager config file before, it likely is.  They'd have to spend quite some time learning the format and locations, and finally doing the tweaking to get what they actually want from their system.  

Part of the reason a lot of folks use FreeBSD is for its flexibility.  One can do a great deal with a FreeBSD system.  It doesn't have to be taxing.  There's no sense in giving out "hardcore points" to people who expend time and energy doing something that can be done more efficiently through a UI and without the learning curve.  

> 
> In what way is the latter easier than the first? I see
> none...

The fact is that your opinion (and mine, for that matter) are fairly subjective.  I've done things both ways - I was using FreeBSD before KDE and GNOME were at all widely used, and if you wanted a decent looking desktop that functioned the way you wanted to be most productive, you had to hack a config file.  
That said, I just don't see how KDE's configuration system (as this is the topic at hand in this thread) is at all counterintuitive.  

> 
> >> 
> >> just window manager is enough, try fvwm2 maybe
> icewm maybe other etc.
> >> 
> > not really enough.
> > 
> > Unfortunately open source is pretty much a failure
> when it comes to GUI and
> > desktop. Any kind of GUI, look at ddd for example.
> Untested development-stage
> > software (like kde4) is being released to the public
> for some reason.

I disagree on the failure part.  As far as bugs being released, it happens in the closed-source world plenty, too.  Consider if you will service packs for MSWindows.  As a programmer in the real world, you're going to mess up.  You'll make typos.  Things that work well on your computers may not work well on other peoples'.  Only a limited number of people actively beta test early releases of software.  Consider the number of FreeBSD users running HEAD to those running RELENG_? to those running RELENG_?_? or a -RELEASE.  Most people don't run HEAD all the time because they want/need a system that is stable and can't spend some number of hours each day or week or month updating their world+kernel from CVS.  Yet HEAD is where bugs get introduced and, hopefully!, fixed.  

As far as KDE4 being untested, I'd send you over to the KDE folks to let them set you straight on that.  The short of it is that you're just flat-out wrong.  

KDE4 runs pretty well.  I've come upon two bugs in it.  One is nigh-impossible to track down and deal with, but is a minor graphical issue that doesn't get in my way.  The other turned out to be an nvidia binary driver bug which is not in any way specific to KDE or even FreeBSD (Linux Compiz users seem to be the largest afflicted community).  

At the end of the day, when you find bugs in closed-source software, you call the vendor and file a ticket.  With open-source software, since you aren't paying anything, you ought to deal with bugs through the community.  Bug trackers for KDE exist.  So do mailing lists.  There's a community there with people - usually unpaid volunteers - who are willing to help debug the software, just as commercial software vendors have paid support staff for such issues.  If you don't like free UNIX-like systems, you can buy a nice Sun box and get Solaris support from Sun.  In fact, Sun's support has been really good in my vast experience, so I'd even go so far as to recommend this if what you want is that level of support.  Even Sun releases bugs sometimes though.  This is why they, like those of us in the open-source world, release patches.  

This whole argument just strikes me as a lot of meaningless complaining in lieu of actually productively trying to identify and fix bugs.  

- mdh



      
From cyberleo at cyberleo.net  Sat Nov  1 13:09:28 2008
From: cyberleo at cyberleo.net (CyberLeo Kitsana)
Date: Sat Nov  1 13:09:36 2008
Subject: gmirror slice insertion, "FAILURE - READ_DMA status=51<READY,
 DSC, ERROR>"
In-Reply-To: <200810311736.09706.Thomas.Sparrevohn@btinternet.com>
References: <49067148.6080307@telus.net>
	<49082625.7080804@telus.net>	<20081029100439.GA73714@icarus.home.lan>
	<200810311736.09706.Thomas.Sparrevohn@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <490CB776.6010401@cyberleo.net>

Thomas Sparrevohn wrote:
> The error occured after I had the disk for a couple of days - WHat puzzled me was that the drive
> did not do it automatically 

Hard disks will not map uncorrectable bad sectors on read automatically,
as it no longer knows what the contents of that sector should be. In
this instance, the sector is usually remapped during a write.

Given the symptoms of the problem described above, it looks like this
uncorrectable sector is located in a portion of the disk that isn't
touched by FreeBSD's newfs or installation procedure, and would never
have a chance to be written to and corrected. Then, when the mirror sync
occurs (which copies every block verbatim, regardless of whether it's in
use or not) it's choking on that sector and locking up the disk, thus
freezing the OS.

One thing to try prior to RMAing the disk is to fill the entire disk
with zeroes (dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ad6 bs=131072 or similar) to give
its firmware a chance to remap all flakey sectors, and rewrite all ECC
information. I do this with every new or freshly acquired disk that's
guaranteed to be empty, to ensure that no surprise errors bite me later
on, as well as to make sure no previous data hangs around.

-- 
Fuzzy love,
-CyberLeo
Technical Administrator
CyberLeo.Net Webhosting
http://www.CyberLeo.Net
<CyberLeo@CyberLeo.Net>

Furry Peace! - http://wwww.fur.com/peace/
From jdp at elvis.rowan.edu  Sat Nov  1 14:09:56 2008
From: jdp at elvis.rowan.edu (Joe Pellegrino)
Date: Sat Nov  1 14:10:02 2008
Subject: A netgraph question.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.64.0811011523510.1498@elvis.rowan.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.64.0811011523510.1498@elvis.rowan.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.64.0811011624310.1498@elvis.rowan.edu>


OK so here it goes. I actually have two seperate questions involving 
netgraph, I am new to this subject so please bare with me. If there is 
a better way to achieve these goals too, please suggest them but I 
think netgraph is the way to go.

The first part involves allowing a userland program to communicate with a 
kernel module, similar to how netlink works in Linux. The second part 
involves intercepting network packets and possibly manipulating them 
before they are allowed to proceed, similar to how netfilter works. I 
believe I can do both of these with the netgraph (ng_socket and 
possibly ng_ether). I haven't looked closely at ng_ether yet so I'll 
focus on ng_socket.

I have been able to create a ng_socket (Control and Data) using the socket 
call as described in "All About NetGraphs" and the man page. I've also 
been able to 'name' the node using bind. I was able to verify this using 
ngctl. I know (from the man page) I should eventually be able to 
send/receive using the sendto/recvfrom functions once the connection is 
established. But beyond this I don't know how to proceed. So the question 
is what are the next steps. For example:

Although I see a named netgraph node there are no hooks. ng_socket says it 
supports an arbitrary number of hooks so how do I create the hooks? Then 
of course how do I connect them.

Of course I realize that I proabably need to create a node on the kernel 
side so which type of netgraph node would be suggested? How is it created 
and then hooked to the ng_socket?

Again I am looking to allow some IPC between a userland program and a 
kernel module similar to the Linux netlink. I've been through most man 
pages and can't seem to find a lot of good documentation or example code 
so I am hoping to get some pointers here. BTW If this is the wrong list 
please directly to the right place to ask. Thanks in advance.

---jdp


From aluoor at gmail.com  Sat Nov  1 16:11:57 2008
From: aluoor at gmail.com (Sven Aluoor)
Date: Sat Nov  1 16:12:05 2008
Subject: FreeBSD on Eeepc 1000h
Message-ID: <20081101234311.9bc42999.aluoor@gmail.com>

Hi folks

I tried netinstall of stable and current. Both versions of the
installer dont have driver for my NIC.

How to get ethernet working?

"lscpi" on Debian Lenny:
03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Attansic Technology Corp. L1 Gigabit
Ethernet Adapter (rev b0)

kind regards
Sven
From eitanadlerlist at gmail.com  Sat Nov  1 16:15:57 2008
From: eitanadlerlist at gmail.com (Eitan Adler)
Date: Sat Nov  1 16:16:04 2008
Subject: Funny slogans to put on tshirts
In-Reply-To: <f1019d520810310229q3d7a49a5m532099d9336f6e59@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f1019d520810310229q3d7a49a5m532099d9336f6e59@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <490CE324.3010200@gmail.com>

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> Hello guys,
>
> It's my friend's birthday tomorrow. I was thinking I'd make him a
> tshirt with some funny slogan on it or something. Preferably something
> UNIX related. But I'm all outta ideas. Perhaps y'all can help?
> Alright, much obliged, thanks.
>
just run "fortune"

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From bryant.eadon at gmail.com  Sat Nov  1 16:21:07 2008
From: bryant.eadon at gmail.com (Bryant Eadon)
Date: Sat Nov  1 16:21:14 2008
Subject: A netgraph question.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.64.0811011624310.1498@elvis.rowan.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.64.0811011523510.1498@elvis.rowan.edu>
	<Pine.GSO.4.64.0811011624310.1498@elvis.rowan.edu>
Message-ID: <490CE454.2020800@gmail.com>


Joe Pellegrino wrote:
  OK so here it goes. I actually have two seperate questions involving
> netgraph, I am new to this subject so please bare with me. If there is a 
> better way to achieve these goals too, please suggest them but I think 
> netgraph is the way to go.
> 
> The first part involves allowing a userland program to communicate with 
> a kernel module, similar to how netlink works in Linux. The second part 
> involves intercepting network packets and possibly manipulating them 
> before they are allowed to proceed, similar to how netfilter works. I 
> believe I can do both of these with the netgraph (ng_socket and possibly 
> ng_ether). I haven't looked closely at ng_ether yet so I'll focus on 
> ng_socket.
> 
> I have been able to create a ng_socket (Control and Data) using the 
> socket call as described in "All About NetGraphs" and the man page. I've 
> also been able to 'name' the node using bind. I was able to verify this 
> using ngctl. I know (from the man page) I should eventually be able to 
> send/receive using the sendto/recvfrom functions once the connection is 
> established. But beyond this I don't know how to proceed. So the 
> question is what are the next steps. For example:
> 
> Although I see a named netgraph node there are no hooks. ng_socket says 
> it supports an arbitrary number of hooks so how do I create the hooks? 
> Then of course how do I connect them.
> 
> Of course I realize that I proabably need to create a node on the kernel 
> side so which type of netgraph node would be suggested? How is it 
> created and then hooked to the ng_socket?
> 
> Again I am looking to allow some IPC between a userland program and a 
> kernel module similar to the Linux netlink. I've been through most man 
> pages and can't seem to find a lot of good documentation or example code 
> so I am hoping to get some pointers here. BTW If this is the wrong list 
> please directly to the right place to ask. Thanks in advance.
> 
> ---jdp
> 


Have you looked into how "systat -ifstat" works ?
From bryant.eadon at gmail.com  Sat Nov  1 16:23:30 2008
From: bryant.eadon at gmail.com (Bryant Eadon)
Date: Sat Nov  1 16:23:36 2008
Subject: A netgraph question.
In-Reply-To: <490CE454.2020800@gmail.com>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.64.0811011523510.1498@elvis.rowan.edu>
	<Pine.GSO.4.64.0811011624310.1498@elvis.rowan.edu>
	<490CE454.2020800@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <490CE4E6.5090402@gmail.com>


Bryant Eadon wrote:
> 
> Joe Pellegrino wrote:
>  OK so here it goes. I actually have two seperate questions involving
>> netgraph, I am new to this subject so please bare with me. If there is 
>> a better way to achieve these goals too, please suggest them but I 
>> think netgraph is the way to go.
>>
>> The first part involves allowing a userland program to communicate 
>> with a kernel module, similar to how netlink works in Linux. The 
>> second part involves intercepting network packets and possibly 
>> manipulating them before they are allowed to proceed, similar to how 
>> netfilter works. I believe I can do both of these with the netgraph 
>> (ng_socket and possibly ng_ether). I haven't looked closely at 
>> ng_ether yet so I'll focus on ng_socket.
>>
>> I have been able to create a ng_socket (Control and Data) using the 
>> socket call as described in "All About NetGraphs" and the man page. 
>> I've also been able to 'name' the node using bind. I was able to 
>> verify this using ngctl. I know (from the man page) I should 
>> eventually be able to send/receive using the sendto/recvfrom functions 
>> once the connection is established. But beyond this I don't know how 
>> to proceed. So the question is what are the next steps. For example:
>>
>> Although I see a named netgraph node there are no hooks. ng_socket 
>> says it supports an arbitrary number of hooks so how do I create the 
>> hooks? Then of course how do I connect them.
>>
>> Of course I realize that I proabably need to create a node on the 
>> kernel side so which type of netgraph node would be suggested? How is 
>> it created and then hooked to the ng_socket?
>>
>> Again I am looking to allow some IPC between a userland program and a 
>> kernel module similar to the Linux netlink. I've been through most man 
>> pages and can't seem to find a lot of good documentation or example 
>> code so I am hoping to get some pointers here. BTW If this is the 
>> wrong list please directly to the right place to ask. Thanks in advance.
>>
>> ---jdp
>>
> 
> 
> Have you looked into how "systat -ifstat" works ?

Whoops.  Wrong thread.  Please ignore.

From shinjii at maydias.com  Sat Nov  1 16:27:52 2008
From: shinjii at maydias.com (Warren Liddell)
Date: Sat Nov  1 16:27:59 2008
Subject: Error trying to fetch kdelibs-4.1.3.tar.bz2
Message-ID: <490CE649.7080801@maydias.com>

Does anyone have s ite where i can manually d/l kdelibs-4.1.3.tar.bz2 as 
all the addies in the freebsd ports list for the file arent working for 
myself.
From mdh_lists at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  1 16:34:01 2008
From: mdh_lists at yahoo.com (mdh)
Date: Sat Nov  1 16:34:07 2008
Subject: FreeBSD on Eeepc 1000h
In-Reply-To: <20081101234311.9bc42999.aluoor@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <478010.88633.qm@web56807.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

--- On Sat, 11/1/08, Sven Aluoor <aluoor@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Sven Aluoor <aluoor@gmail.com>
> Subject: FreeBSD on Eeepc 1000h
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 6:43 PM
> Hi folks
> 
> I tried netinstall of stable and current. Both versions of
> the
> installer dont have driver for my NIC.
> 
> How to get ethernet working?
> 
> "lscpi" on Debian Lenny:
> 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Attansic Technology Corp. L1
> Gigabit
> Ethernet Adapter (rev b0)
> 
> kind regards
> Sven

If I recall correctly, the eeepc 1000H has an Attansic L1E, not an L1, ethernet controller chipset.  FreeBSD RELENG_7 has support for the L1 and the L2, but I've heard that the L1E doesn't work yet.  You should do some searching for a driver, it's possible one of our fine developers is looking for helping testing one they're working on.  ;)

- mdh



      
From noc at hdk5.net  Sat Nov  1 16:36:31 2008
From: noc at hdk5.net (Al Plant)
Date: Sat Nov  1 16:36:40 2008
Subject: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
In-Reply-To: <490C955C.2010201@rawbw.com>
References: <490C0159.3000908@rawbw.com>	<20081101163322.B10508@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>	<20081101160415.GB14218@rebelion.Sisis.de>	<20081101174556.L11029@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
	<490C955C.2010201@rawbw.com>
Message-ID: <490CE7FE.807@hdk5.net>

Yuri wrote:
> Wojciech Puchar wrote:
>>
>> it's SLOW and resource hungry - giving nothing else than a good look. 
>> that's why i compare it to windoze.
>>
>> and why you need "desktop" (whatever it means) at all?
> 
> You  need desktop for Unix (Linux) to be adopted by simple users.
> Also GUI makes life much easier even for advanced users.
> I don't want to deal command lines/config files for mundane
> things like finding and setting up wireless networks, playing
> CDs/DVDs, etc. GUI integrated with desktop would make this
> much less time consuming.
>>
>> just window manager is enough, try fvwm2 maybe icewm maybe other etc.
>>
> not really enough.
> 
> Unfortunately open source is pretty much a failure when it comes to GUI and
> desktop. Any kind of GUI, look at ddd for example. Untested 
> development-stage
> software (like kde4) is being released to the public for some reason.
> 
> Yuri
> 
> _______________________________________________
> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
> To unsubscribe, send any mail to 
> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
> 
###################

Aloha,

Try XFCE 3 or 4 for an excellent OS window manager.


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   + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org +
   + http://aloha50.net   - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* +
   < email: noc@hdk5.net >
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From bsam at ipt.ru  Sat Nov  1 16:45:45 2008
From: bsam at ipt.ru (Boris Samorodov)
Date: Sat Nov  1 16:45:53 2008
Subject: FreeBSD on Eeepc 1000h
In-Reply-To: <20081101234311.9bc42999.aluoor@gmail.com> (Sven Aluoor's message
	of "Sat\, 1 Nov 2008 23\:43\:11 +0100")
References: <20081101234311.9bc42999.aluoor@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <16517938@bs1.sp34.ru>

Sven Aluoor <aluoor@gmail.com> writes:

> I tried netinstall of stable and current. Both versions of the
> installer dont have driver for my NIC.
>
> How to get ethernet working?
>
> "lscpi" on Debian Lenny:
> 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Attansic Technology Corp. L1 Gigabit
> Ethernet Adapter (rev b0)

Seems that you may be interested at:
http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=343551+0+current/freebsd-current


WBR
-- 
Boris Samorodov (bsam)
Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone & Internet SP
FreeBSD committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve
From freebsd at edvax.de  Sat Nov  1 16:48:16 2008
From: freebsd at edvax.de (Polytropon)
Date: Sat Nov  1 16:48:24 2008
Subject: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
In-Reply-To: <490CE7FE.807@hdk5.net>
References: <490C0159.3000908@rawbw.com>
	<20081101163322.B10508@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
	<20081101160415.GB14218@rebelion.Sisis.de>
	<20081101174556.L11029@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
	<490C955C.2010201@rawbw.com> <490CE7FE.807@hdk5.net>
Message-ID: <20081102004812.4faecd38.freebsd@edvax.de>

On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 13:36:30 -1000, Al Plant <noc@hdk5.net> wrote:
> Aloha,
> Try XFCE 3 or 4 for an excellent OS window manager.

XFCE 3 can be turned into a CDE lookalike if it's desired.
It's very lightweight and still features all the nice things
you know from a UNIX X environment. Zsers coming from CDE
will feel comfortable, if you take the time to tweak the
settings a little bit.

XFCE 4 has turned into the third "big player", right in one
line with KDE and Gnome. If you don't mind ressources, XFCE 4
is really an excellent piece of software, you even won't miss
dsktop effects featured by KDE or Gnome. It's very versatile
in these regards.

See these:

	http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2008/02/10/design-your-own-desktop-with-xfce-44/

	http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2008/02/15/design-your-own-desktop-with-xfce-44-part-2/

In my opinion - and that's very individual, you know - WindowMaker
is one of the best window managers around. Fast, lightweight,
easy to configure, excellent keyboard support (that's where the
other ones are lacking), ah, and did I mention it's fast? You
can provide a useful (!) system even on a P1 150 MHz system
with it. No joke.

If the magic of the tiling window managers opens up to you,
you will even be more productive. Allthough I tried several
of them, their magic wouldn't open up to me... :-)


-- 
Polytropon
>From Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
From dan at langille.org  Sat Nov  1 17:10:07 2008
From: dan at langille.org (Dan Langille)
Date: Sat Nov  1 17:10:15 2008
Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2008-10-12 - 2008-11-01
Message-ID: <20081102001002.6E6DA509CE@nyi.unixathome.org>

The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical 
examples and how-to guides.  This message is posted weekly
to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people
know what's available on the website.  Before you post a question
here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list 
archives <http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html#mailinglists> 
and/or The FreeBSD Diary <http://www.freebsddiary.org/>. 


-- 
Dan Langille
BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference

From shinjii at maydias.com  Sat Nov  1 17:12:43 2008
From: shinjii at maydias.com (Warren Liddell)
Date: Sat Nov  1 17:12:50 2008
Subject: Error trying to fetch kdebase-workspace-4.1.3.tar.bz2
Message-ID: <490CF0C9.8080207@maydias.com>

Does anyone have s ite where i can manually d/l 
kdebase-workspace-4.1.3.tar.bz2 as all the addies in the freebsd ports 
list for the file arent working for myself.

From jille at quis.cx  Sat Nov  1 17:39:59 2008
From: jille at quis.cx (Jille Timmermans)
Date: Sat Nov  1 17:40:05 2008
Subject: Mounting Sony Ericsson v630i
Message-ID: <490B3FB7.9000903@quis.cx>

Hello list,

First of all: Please keep me in To/Cc; I'm not on the list.

I am trying to mount my Sony Ericsson v630i telephone; connected with an
USB cable.

In short:
How can I tell FreeBSD to wait for checking the device till I chose for
file-transfer-mode ? Or recheck after I had the chance to choose that mode ?


Full text:
If I plug the cable; dmesg says:
ugen0: <Sony Ericsson Sony Ericsson V630, class 2/0, rev 2.00/0.00, addr
2> on uhub1
ugen0: at uhub1 port 2 (addr 2) disconnected
ugen0: detached
umass0: <Sony Ericsson Memory Stick, class 0/0, rev 2.00/0.00, addr 2>
on uhub1
da0 at umass-sim0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0
da0: <Sony Eri Memory Stick 0000> Removable Direct Access SCSI-0 device
da0: 1.000MB/s transfers
da0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present

At this moment, /dev/da0 exists and it shows up in devlist:
[root@istud ~]# camcontrol devlist -v
scbus0 on umass-sim0 bus 0:
<Sony Eri Memory Stick 0000>       at scbus0 target 0 lun 0 (pass0,da0)
scbus-1 on xpt0 bus 0:
<  >                               at scbus-1 target -1 lun -1 (xpt0)

[root@istud ~]# camcontrol tur da0
Unit is not ready
[root@istud ~]# camcontrol tur da0
Unit is ready

(tur always says 'not ready' the first run; and from the second run
always 'ready')
But; da0s1 doesn't show up

I played around with camcontrol and suddenly da0s1 showed up; and I was
able to mount it.
The problem is that I don't know what to do if I want my da0s1;
repeating the same steps (the camcontrol commands I hit in random order)
doesn't do the trick.

I think the problem lies within the way the telephone works:
If I plug the cable, it sees the connection and asks whether I want to
transfer files or use 'telephone mode' (be a mode for the computer I think).
and it only reveals the filesystem when tansfer-mode is chosen.

So how can I tell FreeBSD to wait checking for filesystems etc till I
choose transfer-mode ?
Or how can I let it do the check again ?

I assume he marks the device as useless after not being able to
determine the filesystem size.

FreeBSD istud.quis.cx 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #0 r184077M:
Mon Oct 20 16:22:26 CEST 2008
quis@istud.quis.cx:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ISTUD  amd64
(svn + multi-IP jail patches)

-- Jille

From shinjii at maydias.com  Sat Nov  1 17:50:26 2008
From: shinjii at maydias.com (Warren Liddell)
Date: Sat Nov  1 17:50:33 2008
Subject: Error trying to fetch various KDE 4.1.3 files
Message-ID: <490CF9A2.9030204@maydias.com>

Im trying to d/l various packages for KDE4.1.3, but so far none of the 
mirror sites etc listed seem to have the pakackages for me to build the 
port, is anyone else having this isue ?
From the.real.david.allen at gmail.com  Sat Nov  1 18:50:12 2008
From: the.real.david.allen at gmail.com (David Allen)
Date: Sat Nov  1 18:50:19 2008
Subject: OT: Shell Script using Awk
Message-ID: <2daa8b4e0811011821q210ae3a5j8f612a0fc79e8844@mail.gmail.com>

My apologies for asking on this list, but I'm stuck without Perl and need
to use awk to generate a report.

I'm working with a large data set spread across multiple files, but to
keep things simple, say I have A Very Long String that containing records,
each delimited by a single space.  I need to print those records in
columnar format, but with only 7 columns per line:

record1  record2  record3  record4  record5  record6  record7
record08 record09 record10 record11 record12 record13 record14
...

Should be simple, but I'm getting nowhere.

Thanks!

-- 
David "promising never to do this again" Allen
From koitsu at FreeBSD.org  Sat Nov  1 19:03:47 2008
From: koitsu at FreeBSD.org (Jeremy Chadwick)
Date: Sat Nov  1 19:03:54 2008
Subject: OT: Shell Script using Awk
In-Reply-To: <2daa8b4e0811011821q210ae3a5j8f612a0fc79e8844@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2daa8b4e0811011821q210ae3a5j8f612a0fc79e8844@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081102020344.GA80530@icarus.home.lan>

On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 06:21:55PM -0700, David Allen wrote:
> My apologies for asking on this list, but I'm stuck without Perl and need
> to use awk to generate a report.
> 
> I'm working with a large data set spread across multiple files, but to
> keep things simple, say I have A Very Long String that containing records,
> each delimited by a single space.  I need to print those records in
> columnar format, but with only 7 columns per line:
> 
> record1  record2  record3  record4  record5  record6  record7
> record08 record09 record10 record11 record12 record13 record14
> ...
> 
> Should be simple, but I'm getting nowhere.

$ cat input
col1 col2 col3 col4 col5 col6 col7 col8 col9 col10 col11 col12 col13 col14

$ cat output.awk
{
	print $1 " " $2 " "  $3 " "  $4 " "  $5 " "  $6 " "  $7
	print $8 " " $9 " " $10 " " $11 " " $12 " " $13 " " $14
}

$ cat intput | awk -f output.awk
col1 col2 col3 col4 col5 col6 col7
col8 col9 col10 col11 col12 col13 col14

-- 
| Jeremy Chadwick                                jdc at parodius.com |
| Parodius Networking                       http://www.parodius.com/ |
| UNIX Systems Administrator                  Mountain View, CA, USA |
| Making life hard for others since 1977.              PGP: 4BD6C0CB |

From yuri at rawbw.com  Sat Nov  1 19:43:58 2008
From: yuri at rawbw.com (Yuri)
Date: Sat Nov  1 19:44:05 2008
Subject: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
In-Reply-To: <20081101190520.Y11557@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
References: <490C0159.3000908@rawbw.com>
	<20081101163322.B10508@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
	<20081101160415.GB14218@rebelion.Sisis.de>
	<20081101174556.L11029@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
	<490C955C.2010201@rawbw.com>
	<20081101190520.Y11557@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
Message-ID: <490D13EA.6000604@rawbw.com>

Wojciech Puchar wrote:
>> Also GUI makes life much easier even for advanced users.
>
> exactly wrong. it make my life harder. these "advanced" users you say 
> don't like to read manuals and do once simple config taking few minutes.

totally wrong. imagine setting up WiFi network. one mouse click opens 
WiFi manager window. another double-click selects network to connect. 
another click closes the window of WiFi manager. How in the world it can 
be easier to do this with config files ????

>> Unfortunately open source is pretty much a failure when it comes to 
>> GUI and
>> desktop. Any kind of GUI, look at ddd for example. Untested 
>> development-stage
>> software (like kde4) is being released to the public for some reason.
>
> they try to compete with windoze - so they behave the same way! who 
> first learned that giving unfinished/buggy/incomplete software to 
> users is a good (in marketing point of view) thing?
>
> Microsoft! they learn from it.

they try to compete and fail. doesn't matter who did what first. today 
windoze gui is way more usable than kde4. that's the only thing that 
matters.
if kde4 were a commercial company they would have been fired or go out 
of business long time ago.

From bruce at cran.org.uk  Sat Nov  1 21:11:52 2008
From: bruce at cran.org.uk (Bruce Cran)
Date: Sat Nov  1 21:12:01 2008
Subject: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
In-Reply-To: <490D13EA.6000604@rawbw.com>
References: <490C0159.3000908@rawbw.com>
	<20081101163322.B10508@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
	<20081101160415.GB14218@rebelion.Sisis.de>
	<20081101174556.L11029@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
	<490C955C.2010201@rawbw.com>
	<20081101190520.Y11557@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
	<490D13EA.6000604@rawbw.com>
Message-ID: <20081101211142.5ebb0719@tau.draftnet>

On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 19:43:54 -0700
Yuri <yuri@rawbw.com> wrote:

> Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> >> Also GUI makes life much easier even for advanced users.
> >
> > exactly wrong. it make my life harder. these "advanced" users you
> > say don't like to read manuals and do once simple config taking few
> > minutes.
> 
> totally wrong. imagine setting up WiFi network. one mouse click opens 
> WiFi manager window. another double-click selects network to connect. 
> another click closes the window of WiFi manager. How in the world it
> can be easier to do this with config files ????
> 
> >> Unfortunately open source is pretty much a failure when it comes
> >> to GUI and
> >> desktop. Any kind of GUI, look at ddd for example. Untested 
> >> development-stage
> >> software (like kde4) is being released to the public for some
> >> reason.
> >
> > they try to compete with windoze - so they behave the same way! who 
> > first learned that giving unfinished/buggy/incomplete software to 
> > users is a good (in marketing point of view) thing?
> >
> > Microsoft! they learn from it.
> 
> they try to compete and fail. doesn't matter who did what first.
> today windoze gui is way more usable than kde4. that's the only thing
> that matters.
> if kde4 were a commercial company they would have been fired or go
> out of business long time ago.

I think it depends on what you want to do.  For developers KDE4
provides all the features you'd want such as smart text editors, a
nice terminal and lots of applications.  For normal users I'm not so
sure a stock KDE4 is so usable; however having recently used Ubuntu and
seen what can be done with Gnome, I'm sure KDE can be configured to be
just as good.  Talking of Ubuntu, I believe it's now almost as easy to
use as Windows, and that's for 'normal' users who don't know much
about computers. There are some things that are missing: for example if
for some reason it fails to automatically setup the monitor then you're
kinda stuck, but all the rest works.  

As an example of its usability I plugged a new printer in and a few
seconds later a notification popped up asking me to select settings,
paper type etc. That's neat.  I took some photos and plugged my SDHC
card into a reader: a photo import application popped up and I could
nagivate the photos and select which to copy over.  It's smarts like
these that really make the difference. I consider myself a power user
but I do enjoy things like that being done for me, since I would much
prefer to spend my time coding instead of hacking config files to
import files, get stuff printed etc.   Most people I know are moving
from Debian to Ubuntu for the same reason - things just work.  At the
same time, it's nice to know that if anything does start getting in
your way it's still easy to change a few settings to turn it off.

-- 
Bruce Cran
From the.real.david.allen at gmail.com  Sat Nov  1 21:17:54 2008
From: the.real.david.allen at gmail.com (David Allen)
Date: Sat Nov  1 21:18:01 2008
Subject: OT: Shell Script using Awk
In-Reply-To: <20081102020344.GA80530@icarus.home.lan>
References: <2daa8b4e0811011821q210ae3a5j8f612a0fc79e8844@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081102020344.GA80530@icarus.home.lan>
Message-ID: <2daa8b4e0811012117i5d3f30d3w9ea927679cb5e7b1@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/1/08, Jeremy Chadwick <koitsu@freebsd.org> wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 06:21:55PM -0700, David Allen wrote:
>> My apologies for asking on this list, but I'm stuck without Perl and need
>> to use awk to generate a report.
>>
>> I'm working with a large data set spread across multiple files, but to
>> keep things simple, say I have A Very Long String that containing records,
>> each delimited by a single space.  I need to print those records in
>> columnar format, but with only 7 columns per line:
>>
>> record1  record2  record3  record4  record5  record6  record7
>> record08 record09 record10 record11 record12 record13 record14
>> ...
>>
>> Should be simple, but I'm getting nowhere.
>
> $ cat input
> col1 col2 col3 col4 col5 col6 col7 col8 col9 col10 col11 col12 col13 col14
>
> $ cat output.awk
> {
> 	print $1 " " $2 " "  $3 " "  $4 " "  $5 " "  $6 " "  $7
> 	print $8 " " $9 " " $10 " " $11 " " $12 " " $13 " " $14
> }
>
> $ cat intput | awk -f output.awk
> col1 col2 col3 col4 col5 col6 col7
> col8 col9 col10 col11 col12 col13 col14

Thanks for the reply, Jeremy, but that approach would require an
entirely manual approach, which isn't suitable for what I'm working
with.  Writing a script that's the same size as the data I'm working
with isn't an option.  ;-)
From koitsu at FreeBSD.org  Sat Nov  1 21:31:21 2008
From: koitsu at FreeBSD.org (Jeremy Chadwick)
Date: Sat Nov  1 21:31:28 2008
Subject: OT: Shell Script using Awk
In-Reply-To: <2daa8b4e0811012117i5d3f30d3w9ea927679cb5e7b1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2daa8b4e0811011821q210ae3a5j8f612a0fc79e8844@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081102020344.GA80530@icarus.home.lan>
	<2daa8b4e0811012117i5d3f30d3w9ea927679cb5e7b1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081102043118.GA83340@icarus.home.lan>

On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 08:17:54PM -0800, David Allen wrote:
> On 11/1/08, Jeremy Chadwick <koitsu@freebsd.org> wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 06:21:55PM -0700, David Allen wrote:
> >> My apologies for asking on this list, but I'm stuck without Perl and need
> >> to use awk to generate a report.
> >>
> >> I'm working with a large data set spread across multiple files, but to
> >> keep things simple, say I have A Very Long String that containing records,
> >> each delimited by a single space.  I need to print those records in
> >> columnar format, but with only 7 columns per line:
> >>
> >> record1  record2  record3  record4  record5  record6  record7
> >> record08 record09 record10 record11 record12 record13 record14
> >> ...
> >>
> >> Should be simple, but I'm getting nowhere.
> >
> > $ cat input
> > col1 col2 col3 col4 col5 col6 col7 col8 col9 col10 col11 col12 col13 col14
> >
> > $ cat output.awk
> > {
> > 	print $1 " " $2 " "  $3 " "  $4 " "  $5 " "  $6 " "  $7
> > 	print $8 " " $9 " " $10 " " $11 " " $12 " " $13 " " $14
> > }
> >
> > $ cat intput | awk -f output.awk
> > col1 col2 col3 col4 col5 col6 col7
> > col8 col9 col10 col11 col12 col13 col14
> 
> Thanks for the reply, Jeremy, but that approach would require an
> entirely manual approach, which isn't suitable for what I'm working
> with.  Writing a script that's the same size as the data I'm working
> with isn't an option.  ;-)

I'm confused -- what's the problem?

-- 
| Jeremy Chadwick                                jdc at parodius.com |
| Parodius Networking                       http://www.parodius.com/ |
| UNIX Systems Administrator                  Mountain View, CA, USA |
| Making life hard for others since 1977.              PGP: 4BD6C0CB |

From gary at pattersonsoftware.com  Sat Nov  1 21:38:01 2008
From: gary at pattersonsoftware.com (Gary Newcombe)
Date: Sat Nov  1 21:38:09 2008
Subject: OT: Shell Script using Awk
In-Reply-To: <2daa8b4e0811011821q210ae3a5j8f612a0fc79e8844@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2daa8b4e0811011821q210ae3a5j8f612a0fc79e8844@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081102143753.d1f66ad9.gary@pattersonsoftware.com>

On Sat, 1 Nov 2008 18:21:55 -0700, "David Allen" <the.real.david.allen@gmail.com> wrote:

> My apologies for asking on this list, but I'm stuck without Perl and need
> to use awk to generate a report.
> 
> I'm working with a large data set spread across multiple files, but to
> keep things simple, say I have A Very Long String that containing records,
> each delimited by a single space.  I need to print those records in
> columnar format, but with only 7 columns per line:
> 
> record1  record2  record3  record4  record5  record6  record7
> record08 record09 record10 record11 record12 record13 record14
> ...
> 
> Should be simple, but I'm getting nowhere.

Is this what you're after?

$ cat input
col1 col2 col3 col4 col5 col6 col7 col8 col9 col10 col11 col12 col13 col14 col15 col16 ....

cat input | awk -F\  '{for (i=1;i<NF;i+=7) print $i,$(i+1),$(i+2),$(i+3),$(i+4),$(i+5),$(i+6) }'


> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -- 
> David "promising never to do this again" Allen
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From perrin at apotheon.com  Sat Nov  1 21:48:48 2008
From: perrin at apotheon.com (Chad Perrin)
Date: Sat Nov  1 21:48:57 2008
Subject: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
In-Reply-To: <901166.83096.qm@web56804.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <20081101163322.B10508@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
	<901166.83096.qm@web56804.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20081102044003.GC2112@kokopelli.hydra>

On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 08:49:09AM -0700, mdh wrote:
> 
> I rather like KDE4.  I don't find that it's like Windows at all, given that Windows is an operating system and KDE4 is a development framework, application suite, and window manager.  There're hefty differences there, not the least of which being that KDE4 isn't an operating system kernel.  In general, I've found it to be well-maintained (some of the window managers I've used in the past went defunct when the 1-2 developers actively working on them got bored or whatever), nicely designed, attractive appearance-wise, and easy to configure.  Let's face it, spending a whole bunch of hours over the course of a few weeks writing a perfect afterstep config was really cool when I was a young'un and didn't have a life to worry about, but nowadays I just want to get on with what needs doing.  KDE allows me to accomplish just that, efficiently, and without leaving me unable to toggle/modify/configure certain things as GNOME does.  
> 

My preference is to simply find a window manager that acts as much like
my ideal as possible in its default, unconfigured form -- and make a few
minor tweaks as necessary.  What I don't want is something that has a
whole bunch of stuff heaped on it to cover every possible eventuality the
developers envision, leaving me still wanting more, with an "easy"
configuration interface to try to make up for the lacks.  That, I'm
afraid, is how KDE feels to me.

Worse yet, KDE4 strikes me as significantly counter-intuitive.  I'm aware
that "intuitive" in interfaces is a matter of familiarity -- but I think
it's relevant in this case, in that KDE and GNOME seem to a fair degree
to have a need to cater to the familiarity of people who also use OSes
like MS Windows and Apple MacOS X.  While my primary sense of familiarity
(and thus the "intuitive") isn't with MS and Apple OSes, they do kinda
fill in the secondary and tertiary spots for me; KDE4 falls into line
somewhere back around 20th for me.  It seems to me like it has several
configuration options lacking in something like MS Windows, and lacks
several that something like MS Windows has -- but has made poor
trade-offs, adding less important configuration options and removing more
important options, based on what I've seen so far.

This view of KDE4 is based my recent experience (a few days ago) of
installing and configuring PC-BSD on a laptop for a friend.  PC-BSD's
default version of KDE4 is a newer iteration than what's in FreeBSD
ports, so it certainly isn't a matter of the default install having a
slightly older minor version number and needing to be upgraded.  The
somewhat broken functionality is a bit of a problem, too -- such as the
Plasma Desktop Folder View's inability to just show the damned icons
properly, the tendency of KDE to crash and restart when I try to make
certain changes with widgets "unlocked", panels that might vanish from
view when I try to move them but are apparently still running
*somewhere*, and so on.

I've never been much of a fan of KDE, ever since I discovered the joys of
window managers that aren't derivative of the MS/Apple WIMP style, but
KDE4 strikes me as a case of some visionary project manager stepping on
his own virtual genitals.  I don't know -- maybe I just don't "get" the
new direction for KDE4.  Maybe it's awesome for someone's purposes.  It's
terrible for mine.

. . . not that I think GNOME 2.24 is any better.  I'll stick with AHWM
for now, long since abandoned by its developer, but so elegant in
operation and configuration that it really doesn't even need any further
development.  It does what it needs to do, and doesn't screw around with
a bunch of singing and dancing and backflips to distract me from the fact
it doesn't do anything fundamentally new.

Just one man's opinion.  Yours is surely different.

-- 
Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ]
Quoth Larry Wall: "Perl is, in intent, a cleaned up and summarized
version of that wonderful semi-natural language known as 'Unix'."
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From gary at pattersonsoftware.com  Sat Nov  1 21:50:39 2008
From: gary at pattersonsoftware.com (Gary Newcombe)
Date: Sat Nov  1 21:50:46 2008
Subject: OT: Shell Script using Awk
In-Reply-To: <2daa8b4e0811012117i5d3f30d3w9ea927679cb5e7b1@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, 1 Nov 2008 20:17:54 -0800, "David Allen"
<the.real.david.allen@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 11/1/08, Jeremy Chadwick <koitsu@freebsd.org> wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 06:21:55PM -0700, David Allen wrote:
> >> My apologies for asking on this list, but I'm stuck without Perl and need
> >> to use awk to generate a report.
> >>
> >> I'm working with a large data set spread across multiple files, but to
> >> keep things simple, say I have A Very Long String that containing records,
> >> each delimited by a single space.  I need to print those records in
> >> columnar format, but with only 7 columns per line:
> >>
> >> record1  record2  record3  record4  record5  record6  record7
> >> record08 record09 record10 record11 record12 record13 record14
> >> ...
> >>
> >> Should be simple, but I'm getting nowhere.
> >
> > $ cat input
> > col1 col2 col3 col4 col5 col6 col7 col8 col9 col10 col11 col12 col13 col14
> >
> > $ cat output.awk
> > {
> > 	print $1 " " $2 " "  $3 " "  $4 " "  $5 " "  $6 " "  $7
> > 	print $8 " " $9 " " $10 " " $11 " " $12 " " $13 " " $14
> > }
> >
> > $ cat intput | awk -f output.awk
> > col1 col2 col3 col4 col5 col6 col7
> > col8 col9 col10 col11 col12 col13 col14
> 

Maybe you want them to line up too. Would using tabs be appropriate?
Maybe something like this?

awk -F\  '{for (i=1;i<NF;i+=7) print $i "\t" $(i+1) "\t" $(i+2) "\t"
$(i+3) "\t" $(i+4) "\t" $(i+5) "\t" $(i+6) }' input



> Thanks for the reply, Jeremy, but that approach would require an
> entirely manual approach, which isn't suitable for what I'm working
> with.  Writing a script that's the same size as the data I'm working
> with isn't an option.  ;-)
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From perrin at apotheon.com  Sat Nov  1 21:53:55 2008
From: perrin at apotheon.com (Chad Perrin)
Date: Sat Nov  1 21:54:02 2008
Subject: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
In-Reply-To: <20081101160415.GB14218@rebelion.Sisis.de>
References: <490C0159.3000908@rawbw.com>
	<20081101163322.B10508@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
	<20081101160415.GB14218@rebelion.Sisis.de>
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On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 05:04:15PM +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> El d?a Saturday, November 01, 2008 a las 04:34:38PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar escribi?:
> > 
> > the question should be "Is KDE usable at all on any OS?"
> > the answer is no, it's crappy imitation of windoze.
> > 
> > If someone needs windoze like soft, just buy windows vista.
> > 
> > For someone who need unix, FreeBSD is a good choice.
> 
> I disagree concerning "KDE && windoze"; I'm using KDE 3.5.8 and it is a very
> good and stable desktop, even for kernel folks and hackers; I run it
> with FreeBSD 7.0R on my daily work laptop;

My impression, over the last few years, is that the above description is
backwards.  MS Windows seems to be emulating KDE, rather than the other
way around.  Vista looked surprisingly like KDE3 when it made it into the
public eye, and the rumor now is that the 7 pre-beta looks surprisingly
like KDE4.

As such, KDE appears to be an excellent choice for a gentle transition
from MS Windows to the Unixy world -- and it may provide a better
experience overall.

Still . . . KDE isn't for me.

Besides all that, this thread was spawned by reference to KDE4, which is
significantly different in behavior than KDE3 in some insidious ways.  As
such, I'm not sure one's experience with KDE3 is the best litmus for
whether KDE4 is or will be a good choice.

-- 
Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ]
Quoth Bill McKibben: "The laws of Congress and the laws of physics have
grown increasingly divergent, and the laws of physics are not likely to
yield."
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From sahil at tandon.net  Sat Nov  1 21:54:18 2008
From: sahil at tandon.net (Sahil Tandon)
Date: Sat Nov  1 21:54:25 2008
Subject: OT: Shell Script using Awk
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David Allen <the.real.david.allen@gmail.com> wrote:

> My apologies for asking on this list, but I'm stuck without Perl and need
> to use awk to generate a report.
> 
> I'm working with a large data set spread across multiple files, but to
> keep things simple, say I have A Very Long String that containing records,
> each delimited by a single space.  I need to print those records in
> columnar format, but with only 7 columns per line:
> 
> record1  record2  record3  record4  record5  record6  record7
> record08 record09 record10 record11 record12 record13 record14
> ...

A small sh script:

#!/bin/sh
awk ' {
for (i=1; i<=NF; i++) {
 printf("%s ", $i)
 if (i % 7 == 0) { printf("\n") }
}
if (NF % 7 != 0) { printf("\n") }
} ' input 

-- 
Sahil Tandon <sahil@tandon.net>
From the.real.david.allen at gmail.com  Sat Nov  1 22:03:28 2008
From: the.real.david.allen at gmail.com (David Allen)
Date: Sat Nov  1 22:03:35 2008
Subject: OT: Shell Script using Awk
In-Reply-To: <20081102143753.d1f66ad9.gary@pattersonsoftware.com>
References: <2daa8b4e0811011821q210ae3a5j8f612a0fc79e8844@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <2daa8b4e0811012203u1562cf47h3b92391cbcf77203@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/1/08, Gary Newcombe <gary@pattersonsoftware.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 1 Nov 2008 18:21:55 -0700, "David Allen"
> <the.real.david.allen@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> My apologies for asking on this list, but I'm stuck without Perl and need
>> to use awk to generate a report.
>>
>> I'm working with a large data set spread across multiple files, but to
>> keep things simple, say I have A Very Long String that containing records,
>> each delimited by a single space.  I need to print those records in
>> columnar format, but with only 7 columns per line:
>>
>> record1  record2  record3  record4  record5  record6  record7
>> record08 record09 record10 record11 record12 record13 record14
>> ...
>>
>> Should be simple, but I'm getting nowhere.
>
> Is this what you're after?
>
> $ cat input
> col1 col2 col3 col4 col5 col6 col7 col8 col9 col10 col11 col12 col13 col14
> col15 col16 ....
>
> cat input | awk -F\  '{for (i=1;i<NF;i+=7) print
> $i,$(i+1),$(i+2),$(i+3),$(i+4),$(i+5),$(i+6) }'

Bingo!   That was what similar to what I was starting with before
going off on a tangent.  Seems I screwed up the syntax and gave up too
early.

Thanks, Gary.
From the.real.david.allen at gmail.com  Sat Nov  1 22:10:04 2008
From: the.real.david.allen at gmail.com (David Allen)
Date: Sat Nov  1 22:10:11 2008
Subject: OT: Shell Script using Awk
In-Reply-To: <20081102045414.GA13745@shepherd>
References: <2daa8b4e0811011821q210ae3a5j8f612a0fc79e8844@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081102045414.GA13745@shepherd>
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On 11/1/08, Sahil Tandon <sahil@tandon.net> wrote:
> David Allen <the.real.david.allen@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> My apologies for asking on this list, but I'm stuck without Perl and need
>> to use awk to generate a report.
>>
>> I'm working with a large data set spread across multiple files, but to
>> keep things simple, say I have A Very Long String that containing records,
>> each delimited by a single space.  I need to print those records in
>> columnar format, but with only 7 columns per line:
>>
>> record1  record2  record3  record4  record5  record6  record7
>> record08 record09 record10 record11 record12 record13 record14
>> ...
>
> A small sh script:
>
> #!/bin/sh
> awk ' {
> for (i=1; i<=NF; i++) {
>  printf("%s ", $i)
>  if (i % 7 == 0) { printf("\n") }
> }
> if (NF % 7 != 0) { printf("\n") }
> } ' input

An elegant solution if ever I read one.  The mod operator should have
been the first thing that came to mind.

I'm not sure whether I need a class in remedial math, or remedial awk,
but either way, my thanks for the solution.
From perrin at apotheon.com  Sat Nov  1 22:30:46 2008
From: perrin at apotheon.com (Chad Perrin)
Date: Sat Nov  1 22:30:54 2008
Subject: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
In-Reply-To: <490C955C.2010201@rawbw.com>
References: <490C0159.3000908@rawbw.com>
	<20081101163322.B10508@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
	<20081101160415.GB14218@rebelion.Sisis.de>
	<20081101174556.L11029@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
	<490C955C.2010201@rawbw.com>
Message-ID: <20081102052201.GE2112@kokopelli.hydra>

On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 10:43:56AM -0700, Yuri wrote:
> Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> >
> >it's SLOW and resource hungry - giving nothing else than a good look. 
> >that's why i compare it to windoze.
> >
> >and why you need "desktop" (whatever it means) at all?
> 
> You  need desktop for Unix (Linux) to be adopted by simple users.
> Also GUI makes life much easier even for advanced users.
> I don't want to deal command lines/config files for mundane
> things like finding and setting up wireless networks, playing
> CDs/DVDs, etc. GUI integrated with desktop would make this
> much less time consuming.

A couple of things:

  1. It's true -- many users require a gentler transition than simply
  giving up the "richness" of MS Windows and moving to some spare,
  productivity-enhancing user environment like some of those available on
  Unix systems.  Luckily, Unix can accomodate many different approaches
  to a GUI environment, so all can be happy with what they have.  That's
  one of the benefits of a Unix architecture, as opposed to one where the
  underlying OS is wedded to its "desktop metaphor" implementation.

  2. One doesn't need a "Desktop Environment" to have a GUI -- a point I
  think you glossed over or even missed entirely.  One doesn't even need
  the DE for GUI-based configuration.

  3. The command line is not more time consuming than the GUI for most
  purposes.  It is, in fact, *less* time consuming, as well as being more
  powerful and flexible, for most purposes.  There are some tasks for
  which a GUI approach is the most effective, and there are many more for
  which a TUI is better.  What makes the GUI "easier" for many people is
  that it doesn't tend to have as high an initial learning curve.  Once
  you get past the initial learning curve, though, the CLI is far more
  productive and efficient than a GUI in most cases, at least in my
  experience.  It's all a bit like the relative learning curves of
  various editing environment:

    http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/curves.jpg


> >
> >just window manager is enough, try fvwm2 maybe icewm maybe other etc.
> >
> not really enough.
> 
> Unfortunately open source is pretty much a failure when it comes to GUI and
> desktop. Any kind of GUI, look at ddd for example. Untested 
> development-stage
> software (like kde4) is being released to the public for some reason.

No, it isn't a failure.  It's a raging success in many ways.  Its only
failures are in marketing, for the most part.  KDE4 is buggy as hell in
my experience, but it's no worse than the GUI environment for Millenium
Edition.  In addition to that, we in the open source world still have
significant advances over the bells-and-whistles aesthetic of MS Windows,
in more ways than one:

  1. We have better bells and whistles.  Compiz Fusion comes to mind.

  2. We have better interface design.  Even though Compiz Fusion is a
  steaming pile of unnecessary crap in my personal opinion (where UI
  design is concerned), it's still leagues ahead of Aero Glass for
  purposes of productivity enhancement (or at least refraining from
  getting in the way of productivity), and both GNOME and KDE<4 are
  better than XP's UI in that regard.

  3. A bunch of other GUI environments are far, far better than the
  typical DEs of the OSS world in terms of productivity enhancing UI
  design; they stay the hell out of the way while providing functionality
  that improves user task completion efficiency.

The ddd example is kind of unfair, by the way.  That's a common GNU
problem, not a broader open source problem.  It's my experience that the
GNU project is full of people who have absolutely no idea how to design a
decent interface.  The GNU project is so influential, though, that once
they come up with something that fits within a specific niche, the rest
of the open source world seems reluctant to do anything to reach into the
same niche and replace the GNU train-wreck of UI with a better UI.

I mean, come on -- just look at Info Pages.  What a disaster area.

-- 
Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ]
Quoth Georg Hackl: "American beer is the first successful attempt at
diluting water."
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From jbolivar at cantv.net  Sat Nov  1 22:48:34 2008
From: jbolivar at cantv.net (Julian Bolivar)
Date: Sat Nov  1 22:48:41 2008
Subject: /stand/sysinstall freezed on FreeBSD 7.1 install
In-Reply-To: <20081102045414.GA13745@shepherd>
References: <2daa8b4e0811011821q210ae3a5j8f612a0fc79e8844@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081102045414.GA13745@shepherd>
Message-ID: <490D3B91.2020800@cantv.net>

Dear Friends,


I try to install FreeBSD 7.1 AMD64 beta 2 in an Intel Core 2 Duo and 
motherboard MSI 975X Platinum V.2m, but when /stand/sysinstall try to 
start from the installation CD, the system freezed and don't continue 
the install process.

Anyone know how to solved this problem to install it

Thanks and regards,

Julian Bolivar

From guru at unixarea.de  Sun Nov  2 00:44:30 2008
From: guru at unixarea.de (Matthias Apitz)
Date: Sun Nov  2 00:44:37 2008
Subject: FreeBSD on Eeepc 1000h
In-Reply-To: <16517938@bs1.sp34.ru>
References: <20081101234311.9bc42999.aluoor@gmail.com> <16517938@bs1.sp34.ru>
Message-ID: <20081102074253.GA1822@rebelion.Sisis.de>

El d?a Sunday, November 02, 2008 a las 02:48:13AM +0300, Boris Samorodov escribi?:

> Sven Aluoor <aluoor@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> > I tried netinstall of stable and current. Both versions of the
> > installer dont have driver for my NIC.
> >
> > How to get ethernet working?
> >
> > "lscpi" on Debian Lenny:
> > 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Attansic Technology Corp. L1 Gigabit
> > Ethernet Adapter (rev b0)
> 
> Seems that you may be interested at:
> http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=343551+0+current/freebsd-current

Known issues and FreeBSD work for the eeePC series are described here:
http://wiki.freebsd.org/AsusEee

HIH

	matthias
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From alasdair at iprimus.com.au  Sun Nov  2 01:25:49 2008
From: alasdair at iprimus.com.au (alasdair@iprimus.com.au)
Date: Sun Nov  2 01:25:56 2008
Subject: updating from 6.3 to 7, mirror problems
In-Reply-To: <28283d910810301539v62dd20csd580ff9a7aa76446@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4908AAE400003225@cpms02.int.iprimus.net.au>


>-- Original Message --
>Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:39:23 -0400
>From: "matt donovan" <kitchetech@gmail.com>
>To: alasdair@iprimus.com.au
>Cc: andrew clarke <mail@ozzmosis.com>, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
>Subject: Re: updating from 6.3 to 7, mirror problems
>
>
>does your DNS support SV lookups they are actually putting in some A records
>for a work around for people with "broken" DNS.
>_______________________________________________
>freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
>http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
>To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"

What is SV lookup and how do I check this, any particular man page or resource?

Where (or how) is my DNS likely to be "broken"?

Thanks,

Alasdair

From admin at cpcnw.co.uk  Sun Nov  2 01:31:36 2008
From: admin at cpcnw.co.uk (Graham Bentley)
Date: Sun Nov  2 01:31:43 2008
Subject: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
References: <20081102024409.B93DF1065763@hub.freebsd.org>
Message-ID: <C914064D8D12463681A4EC09C8EAEC07@main>

I left KDE after version 2 as it then seemed to
go in the wrong direction (more features / bloat?)
http://www.kde.org/screenshots/kde2shots.php
In fact, if 2.n would compile on 7.0 I'd have 
another look.

Since then I've been quite a fan of XFCE but found
myself slowly but surely converting to minimalism
i.e. the least needed to get done what I need done!

On my desktop FreeBSD this amount to about 6 jobs 
and for those twm fits the bill perfectly.
http://81.174.174.115/twm/twmrc.htm

(Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing 
more to add, but when there is nothing left to take 
away. by Antoine de Saint-Exuper.)
From naylor.b.david at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 03:18:38 2008
From: naylor.b.david at gmail.com (David Naylor)
Date: Sun Nov  2 03:18:46 2008
Subject: FreeBSD 7.1 - Status
Message-ID: <200811020947.27959.naylor.b.david@gmail.com>

Hi,

According to the Release Schedule for FreeBSD 7.1 it is a few months behind.  
I know that FreeBSD 7.1 will not be released until it is working properly, 
and bug free however I am wondering what the hold ups are.  

If someone could take the time to answer me I would appreciate it.

Regards

David
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From shinjii at maydias.com  Sun Nov  2 03:45:25 2008
From: shinjii at maydias.com (Warren Liddell)
Date: Sun Nov  2 03:45:33 2008
Subject: FreeBSD 7.1 - Status
In-Reply-To: <200811020947.27959.naylor.b.david@gmail.com>
References: <200811020947.27959.naylor.b.david@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <490D9322.8040400@maydias.com>

David Naylor wrote:
> Hi,
>
> According to the Release Schedule for FreeBSD 7.1 it is a few months behind.  
> I know that FreeBSD 7.1 will not be released until it is working properly, 
> and bug free however I am wondering what the hold ups are.  
>
> If someone could take the time to answer me I would appreciate it.
>
> Regards
>
> David
>   
Only thing i know to look at myself is whats on the website 
http://www.freebsd.org/releases/7.1R/schedule.html other then that id 
imagine one of the devalopers or such would know.
From jpaetzel at FreeBSD.org  Sun Nov  2 03:50:42 2008
From: jpaetzel at FreeBSD.org (Josh Paetzel)
Date: Sun Nov  2 03:50:49 2008
Subject: OT: Shell Script using Awk
In-Reply-To: <2daa8b4e0811012210k40e92816ydbc96e36abe9ee5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2daa8b4e0811011821q210ae3a5j8f612a0fc79e8844@mail.gmail.com>	<20081102045414.GA13745@shepherd>
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Message-ID: <490D9411.9070002@FreeBSD.org>

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David Allen wrote:
> On 11/1/08, Sahil Tandon <sahil@tandon.net> wrote:
>> David Allen <the.real.david.allen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My apologies for asking on this list, but I'm stuck without Perl and need
>>> to use awk to generate a report.
>>>
>>> I'm working with a large data set spread across multiple files, but to
>>> keep things simple, say I have A Very Long String that containing records,
>>> each delimited by a single space.  I need to print those records in
>>> columnar format, but with only 7 columns per line:
>>>
>>> record1  record2  record3  record4  record5  record6  record7
>>> record08 record09 record10 record11 record12 record13 record14
>>> ...
>> A small sh script:
>>
>> #!/bin/sh
>> awk ' {
>> for (i=1; i<=NF; i++) {
>>  printf("%s ", $i)
>>  if (i % 7 == 0) { printf("\n") }
>> }
>> if (NF % 7 != 0) { printf("\n") }
>> } ' input
> 
> An elegant solution if ever I read one.  The mod operator should have
> been the first thing that came to mind.
> 
> I'm not sure whether I need a class in remedial math, or remedial awk,
> but either way, my thanks for the solution.

Just in case you've never discovered column, piping the output of this
to column -t will get you nice formatting for free.

- --
Thanks,

Josh Paetzel

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From gesbbb at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  2 04:20:12 2008
From: gesbbb at yahoo.com (GESBBB)
Date: Sun Nov  2 04:20:23 2008
Subject: FreeBSD 7.1 - Status
References: <200811020947.27959.naylor.b.david@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <89865.47403.qm@web32107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> From: David Naylor <naylor.b.david@gmail.com>
> 
> Hi,
> 
> According to the Release Schedule for FreeBSD 7.1 it is a few months behind.? 
> I know that FreeBSD 7.1 will not be released until it is working properly, 
> and bug free however I am wondering what the hold ups are.? 
> 
> If someone could take the time to answer me I would appreciate it.
> 
> Regards
> 
> David

IMHO, if they are waiting until FBSD-7.1 can be certified as 'bug free', then it might never be released. However, if they are simply waiting to insure that all known bugs are squashed, then it probably won't be too much longer.

Personally, I think the fact that the latest version of Perl has been out for nearly a year now and yet there is no sign of it in the ports system.

-- 
Jerry
gesbbb@yahoo.com
From jonathan+freebsd-questions at hst.org.za  Sun Nov  2 04:52:53 2008
From: jonathan+freebsd-questions at hst.org.za (Jonathan McKeown)
Date: Sun Nov  2 04:53:01 2008
Subject: OT: Shell Script using Awk
In-Reply-To: <2daa8b4e0811011821q210ae3a5j8f612a0fc79e8844@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2daa8b4e0811011821q210ae3a5j8f612a0fc79e8844@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811021453.01646.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za>

On Sunday 02 November 2008 03:21:55 David Allen wrote:
> My apologies for asking on this list, but I'm stuck without Perl and need
> to use awk to generate a report.
>
> I'm working with a large data set spread across multiple files, but to
> keep things simple, say I have A Very Long String that containing records,
> each delimited by a single space.  I need to print those records in
> columnar format, but with only 7 columns per line:
>
> record1  record2  record3  record4  record5  record6  record7
> record08 record09 record10 record11 record12 record13 record14

Are you dead set on using awk(1)?

Because my first thought would be rs(1).

cat inputfile | rs 0 7

To turn your space-separated entries into 7 columns. You may need some 
fiddling about (to avoid running out of memory, space on the line, etc).

This is one of my top three sadly-neglected BSD commands everyone should know 
more about, along with lam(1) and jot(1).

Jonathan
From aluoor at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 04:56:31 2008
From: aluoor at gmail.com (Sven Aluoor)
Date: Sun Nov  2 04:56:38 2008
Subject: FreeBSD on Eeepc 1000h
In-Reply-To: <20081102074253.GA1822@rebelion.Sisis.de>
References: <20081101234311.9bc42999.aluoor@gmail.com> <16517938@bs1.sp34.ru>
	<20081102074253.GA1822@rebelion.Sisis.de>
Message-ID: <20081102135627.2ff984ff.aluoor@gmail.com>

On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 08:42:53 +0100
Matthias Apitz <guru@unixarea.de> wrote:
> El d?a Sunday, November 02, 2008 a las 02:48:13AM +0300, Boris
> Samorodov escribi?:
> > Seems that you may be interested at:
> > http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=343551+0+current/freebsd-current

Hi Boris

This link reference to an empty document

> Known issues and FreeBSD work for the eeePC series are described here:
> http://wiki.freebsd.org/AsusEee
> 
> HIH

Hi Matthias

Thanks for the wikipage. I quote from there:

Atheros L1 FastEthernet
This one is second generation of L1 controller which is supposed to be
heavily modified by Atheros after acquiring Attansic. This controller
uses different bits/meaning in register layouts and seems to use
different descriptor formats. This is not supported by the age(4)
driver. 

In clear text: at the moment there is no driver available? Is this
correct?

thanks
kind regards
Sven
From mdh_lists at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  2 05:02:22 2008
From: mdh_lists at yahoo.com (mdh)
Date: Sun Nov  2 05:02:29 2008
Subject: FreeBSD 7.1 - Status
In-Reply-To: <200811020947.27959.naylor.b.david@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <725888.20529.qm@web56803.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

--- On Sun, 11/2/08, David Naylor <naylor.b.david@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: David Naylor <naylor.b.david@gmail.com>
> Subject: FreeBSD 7.1 - Status
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 2:47 AM
> Hi,
> 
> According to the Release Schedule for FreeBSD 7.1 it is a
> few months behind.  
> I know that FreeBSD 7.1 will not be released until it is
> working properly, 
> and bug free however I am wondering what the hold ups are. 
> 
> 
> If someone could take the time to answer me I would
> appreciate it.
> 
> Regards
> 
> David

Generally speaking, the easiest way to find out when a release is really likely to get out the door is probably to check the GNATS system for major bugs and follow the goings-on over on the stable, hackers, and other development-oriented mailing lists.  There hasn't been an RC for 7 yet, so it still has a ways to go.  6.4-R will probably be out the door in a matter of weeks, as RC2 just got tagged a couple of days ago.  Hint: look for kensmith commits to newvers.sh for a much quicker heads-up on activity than you'll get from the schedule on the website.  ;)

- mdh



      
From alex34live at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 05:30:25 2008
From: alex34live at gmail.com (Alex Zhang)
Date: Sun Nov  2 05:30:31 2008
Subject: just a test mail
Message-ID: <2C549F01A2F24911800E5C8E238A2F81@inb>

Hi, Dear admin

 

I want to submit a question to Mail list; I hope to get help in time. Thanks

 

BR

Alex

From guru at unixarea.de  Sun Nov  2 06:34:11 2008
From: guru at unixarea.de (Matthias Apitz)
Date: Sun Nov  2 06:34:18 2008
Subject: FreeBSD on Eeepc 1000h
In-Reply-To: <20081102135627.2ff984ff.aluoor@gmail.com>
References: <20081101234311.9bc42999.aluoor@gmail.com> <16517938@bs1.sp34.ru>
	<20081102074253.GA1822@rebelion.Sisis.de>
	<20081102135627.2ff984ff.aluoor@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081102143317.GA11623@rebelion.Sisis.de>

El d?a Sunday, November 02, 2008 a las 01:56:27PM +0100, Sven Aluoor escribi?:

> Hi Matthias
> 
> Thanks for the wikipage. I quote from there:
> 
> Atheros L1 FastEthernet
> This one is second generation of L1 controller which is supposed to be
> heavily modified by Atheros after acquiring Attansic. This controller
> uses different bits/meaning in register layouts and seems to use
> different descriptor formats. This is not supported by the age(4)
> driver. 
> 
> In clear text: at the moment there is no driver available? Is this
> correct?

I don't know if this is the last information. I have an eeePC 900 and not
the 1000. Write to the autors of the page, maybe they know if someone is
already working on it. In any case you could install from an USB key as
described here http://www.unixarea.de/installEeePC.txt
and Wifi will work, I think.

HIH

	matthias
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From sahil at tandon.net  Sun Nov  2 07:37:59 2008
From: sahil at tandon.net (Sahil Tandon)
Date: Sun Nov  2 07:38:06 2008
Subject: just a test mail
In-Reply-To: <2C549F01A2F24911800E5C8E238A2F81@inb>
References: <2C549F01A2F24911800E5C8E238A2F81@inb>
Message-ID: <20081102153755.GB14649@shepherd>

Alex Zhang <alex34live@gmail.com> wrote:

> I want to submit a question to Mail list; I hope to get help in time.
> Thanks

Never, ever send test emails to freebsd-questions.  From the Handbook:

If you wish to test your ability to send to FreeBSD lists, send a test
message to freebsd-test. Please do not send test messages to any other
list.

-- 
Sahil Tandon <sahil@tandon.net>
From dino_vliet at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  2 06:49:18 2008
From: dino_vliet at yahoo.com (Dino Vliet)
Date: Sun Nov  2 07:39:34 2008
Subject: openacs-5.4.3 on freebsd 6.3 AMD configuration problem SOLVED
Message-ID: <138973.15476.qm@web51102.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


                

        
        Friday, October 31, 2008 11:24 PM
        
                
        
        
            
            From: 
            
                "Dino Vliet" <dino_vliet@yahoo.com>
                         
                        
                        
                        
        
        
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Hi
I'm a new user of openacs-5.4.3 and want to try it out on my amd64
system running Freebsd 6.3 and having postgresql-server-8.2.9
installed. The port installs fine and I have set openacs_enable="YES"
in /etc/rc.conf to have it start at boot time.

The first time configuration does not give the expected results as my browser indicates this:

OpenACS Installation
? ? 

? ? Installing the OpenACS kernel data model...

But nothing happens anymore. 

The last part of the file? /usr/local/openacs/log/error.log:

[31/Oct/2008:22:33:14][1073.5292032][-main-] Notice: nsmain: AOLserver/4.5.0 starting
[31/Oct/2008:22:33:14][1073.5292032][-main-] Notice: nsmain: security info: uid=1005, euid=1005, gid=80, egid=80
[31/Oct/2008:22:33:14][1073.5292032][-main-] Notice: nsmain: max files: FD_SETSIZE = 1024, rl_cur = 11095, rl_max = 11095
[31/Oct/2008:22:33:14][1073.5292032][-main-] Warning: nsmain: rl_max > FD_SETSIZE
[31/Oct/2008:22:33:14][1073.5292032][-main-]
Error: pidfile: failed to open pid file
'/usr/local/aolserver/log/nspid.openacs': 'Permission denied'
[31/Oct/2008:22:33:14][1073.5292032][-main-] Notice: encoding: loaded: utf-8
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[31/Oct/2008:22:33:14][1073.5292032][-main-] Notice: fastpath[openacs]: mapped POST /
[31/Oct/2008:22:33:14][1073.5292032][-main-] Notice: adp[openacs]: mapped GET /*.adp
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[31/Oct/2008:22:33:14][1073.5292032][-main-] Notice: nslog: opened '/usr/local/openacs/log/openacs.log'
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[31/Oct/2008:22:33:14][1073.5292032][-main-] Notice: PostgreSQL loaded.
[31/Oct/2008:22:33:14][1073.5292032][-main-] Notice: conf: [ns/server/openacs]enabletclpages = 0
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[31/Oct/2008:22:33:20][1073.5292032][-main-]
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[31/Oct/2008:22:33:20][1073.5292032][-main-]
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[31/Oct/2008:22:33:20][1073.5292032][-main-]
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/usr/local/openacs/packages/acs-bootstrap-installer/tcl/20-db-bootstrap-procs.tcl
[31/Oct/2008:22:33:20][1073.5292032][-main-]
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/usr/local/openacs/packages/acs-bootstrap-installer/tcl/30-apm-load-procs.tcl
[31/Oct/2008:22:33:20][1073.5292032][-main-]
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/usr/local/openacs/packages/acs-bootstrap-installer/tcl/40-db-query-dispatcher-procs.tcl
[31/Oct/2008:22:33:20][1073.5292032][-main-] Notice: Database API: Default database (dbn) is: 'default'
[31/Oct/2008:22:33:20][1073.5292032][-main-] Notice: Database API: Using ALL database pools for OpenACS.
[31/Oct/2008:22:33:20][1073.5292032][-main-]
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pool2 pool3 pool1
[31/Oct/2008:22:33:20][1073.5292032][-main-] Notice: dbdrv: opening database 'postgres:localhost::openacs'
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[31/Oct/2008:22:33:20][1073.5292032][-main-] Notice: dbdrv: opening database 'postgres:localhost::openacs'
[31/Oct/2008:22:33:20][1073.5292032][-main-] Notice: Opening openacs on localhost
[31/Oct/2008:22:33:20][1073.5292032][-main-] Notice: Ns_PgOpenDb(postgres):? Openned connection to localhost::openacs.
[31/Oct/2008:22:33:20][1073.5292032][-main-] Notice: dbdrv: opening database 'postgres:localhost::openacs'
[31/Oct/2008:22:33:20][1073.5292032][-main-] Notice: Opening openacs on localhost
[31/Oct/2008:22:33:20][1073.5292032][-main-] Notice: Ns_PgOpenDb(postgres):? Openned connection to localhost::openacs.
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[31/Oct/2008:22:37:03][1073.6006784][-conn:1-] Notice: 
[31/Oct/2008:22:37:03][1073.6006784][-conn:1-]
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/usr/local/openacs/packages/acs-bootstrap-installer/installer/install.tcl:
[31/Oct/2008:22:39:03][1073.6006784][-conn:1-] Notice: exiting: timeout waiting for connection
[31/Oct/2008:22:52:34][1073.5292032][-main-] Notice: nsmain: AOLserver/4.5.0 stopping
[31/Oct/2008:22:52:34][1073.5292032][-main-] Notice: driver: stopping: nssock
[31/Oct/2008:22:52:34][1073.5292032][-main-] Notice: sched: shutdown pending
[31/Oct/2008:22:52:34][1073.5434368][-nssock:driver-] Notice: exiting
[31/Oct/2008:22:52:34][1073.5437440][-sched-] Notice: sched: shutdown started
[31/Oct/2008:22:52:34][1073.5437440][-sched-] Notice: sched: shutdown complete
[31/Oct/2008:22:52:34][1073.5292032][-main-] Notice: driver: stopped: nssock
[31/Oct/2008:22:52:34][1073.5438464][-shutdown-] Notice: nslog: closing '/usr/local/openacs/log/openacs.log'
[31/Oct/2008:22:52:34][1073.5292032][-main-]
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'/usr/local/aolserver/log/nspid.openacs': 'Permission denied'
[31/Oct/2008:22:52:34][1073.5292032][-main-] Notice: nsmain: AOLserver/4.5.0 exiting
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:03][1075.5292032][-main-] Notice: nsmain: AOLserver/4.5.0 starting
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:03][1075.5292032][-main-] Notice: nsmain: security info: uid=1005, euid=1005, gid=80, egid=80
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:03][1075.5292032][-main-] Notice: nsmain: max files: FD_SETSIZE = 1024, rl_cur = 11095, rl_max = 11095
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:03][1075.5292032][-main-] Warning: nsmain: rl_max > FD_SETSIZE
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:03][1075.5292032][-main-]
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'/usr/local/aolserver/log/nspid.openacs': 'Permission denied'
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:03][1075.5292032][-main-] Notice: encoding: loaded: utf-8
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:03][1075.5292032][-main-] Notice: fastpath[openacs]: mapped GET /
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:03][1075.5292032][-main-] Notice: fastpath[openacs]: mapped HEAD /
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:03][1075.5292032][-main-] Notice: fastpath[openacs]: mapped POST /
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:03][1075.5292032][-main-] Notice: adp[openacs]: mapped GET /*.adp
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:03][1075.5292032][-main-] Notice: adp[openacs]: mapped HEAD /*.adp
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:03][1075.5292032][-main-] Notice: adp[openacs]: mapped POST /*.adp
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:03][1075.5292032][-main-] Notice: modload: loading '/usr/local/aolserver/bin/nssock.so'
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:03][1075.5292032][-main-] Notice: modload: loading '/usr/local/aolserver/bin/nslog.so'
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:03][1075.5292032][-main-] Notice: nslog: opened '/usr/local/openacs/log/openacs.log'
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:03][1075.5292032][-main-] Notice: modload: loading '/usr/local/aolserver/bin/nssha1.so'
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:03][1075.5292032][-main-] Notice: modload: loading '/usr/local/aolserver/bin/nscache.so'
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:03][1075.5292032][-main-] Notice: nscache module version 1.5 server: openacs
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:03][1075.5292032][-main-] Notice: modload: loading '/usr/local/aolserver/bin/nsdb.so'
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:03][1075.5292032][-main-] Notice: modload: loading '/usr/local/aolserver/bin/nspostgres.so'
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:03][1075.5292032][-main-] Notice: PostgreSQL loaded.
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:04][1075.5292032][-main-] Notice: conf: [ns/server/openacs]enabletclpages = 0
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:11][1075.5292032][-main-] Notice: XOTcl version 1.6.1 loaded
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:11][1075.5292032][-main-] Notice: Loading OpenACS, rooted at /usr/local/openacs
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:11][1075.5292032][-main-] Notice: Sourcing /usr/local/openacs/packages/acs-bootstrap-installer/bootstrap.tcl
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:11][1075.5292032][-main-]
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/usr/local/openacs/packages/acs-bootstrap-installer/tcl/00-proc-procs.tcl
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:11][1075.5292032][-main-]
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/usr/local/openacs/packages/acs-bootstrap-installer/tcl/10-utilities-procs.tcl
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:11][1075.5292032][-main-]
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/usr/local/openacs/packages/acs-bootstrap-installer/tcl/20-db-bootstrap-procs.tcl
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:11][1075.5292032][-main-]
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/usr/local/openacs/packages/acs-bootstrap-installer/tcl/30-apm-load-procs.tcl
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:11][1075.5292032][-main-]
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/usr/local/openacs/packages/acs-bootstrap-installer/tcl/40-db-query-dispatcher-procs.tcl
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:11][1075.5292032][-main-] Notice: Database API: Default database (dbn) is: 'default'
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:11][1075.5292032][-main-] Notice: Database API: Using ALL database pools for OpenACS.
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:11][1075.5292032][-main-]
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pool2 pool3 pool1
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:11][1075.5292032][-main-] Notice: dbdrv: opening database 'postgres:localhost::openacs'
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:11][1075.5292032][-main-] Notice: Opening openacs on localhost
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:11][1075.5292032][-main-] Notice: Ns_PgOpenDb(postgres):? Openned connection to localhost::openacs.
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:11][1075.5292032][-main-] Notice: dbdrv: opening database 'postgres:localhost::openacs'
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:11][1075.5292032][-main-] Notice: Opening openacs on localhost
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:11][1075.5292032][-main-] Notice: Ns_PgOpenDb(postgres):? Openned connection to localhost::openacs.
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:11][1075.5292032][-main-] Notice: dbdrv: opening database 'postgres:localhost::openacs'
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:11][1075.5292032][-main-] Notice: Opening openacs on localhost
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:11][1075.5292032][-main-] Notice: Ns_PgOpenDb(postgres):? Openned connection to localhost::openacs.
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:12][1075.5292032][-main-] Notice: Bootstrap: Loading acs-tcl
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:12][1075.5292032][-main-] Notice: Loading acs-tcl/tcl/00-database-procs-postgresql.tcl
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:12][1075.5292032][-main-] Notice: Loading acs-tcl/tcl/00-database-procs.tcl
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:12][1075.5292032][-main-] Notice: Loading acs-tcl/tcl/10-charset-compat-procs.tcl
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:12][1075.5292032][-main-] Notice: Loading acs-tcl/tcl/30-xml-utils-procs.tcl
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[31/Oct/2008:22:54:14][1075.5292032][-main-] Notice: Bootstrap: Installation is not complete - sourcing the installer.
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:14][1075.5292032][-main-] Notice: Sourcing files for postload...
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:14][1075.5292032][-main-] Notice: Done.
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:14][1075.5292032][-main-] Notice: Executing initialization code blocks...
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:14][1075.5292032][-main-] Notice: nsmain: AOLserver/4.5.0 running
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:14][1075.5292032][-main-] Notice: nsmain: security info: uid=1005, euid=1005, gid=80, egid=80
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:14][1075.5437440][-sched-] Notice: sched: starting
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:14][1075.5292032][-main-] Notice: driver: starting: nssock
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:14][1075.5434368][-nssock:driver-] Notice: starting
[31/Oct/2008:22:54:14][1075.5434368][-nssock:driver-] Notice: nssock: listening on 0.0.0.0:8000
[31/Oct/2008:22:56:51][1075.6005760][-conn:0-] Notice: 
[31/Oct/2008:22:56:51][1075.6005760][-conn:0-]
Error: Error sourcing
/usr/local/openacs/packages/acs-bootstrap-installer/installer/install.tcl:
[31/Oct/2008:22:58:51][1075.6005760][-conn:0-] Notice: exiting: timeout waiting for connection
[31/Oct/2008:23:11:30][1075.6006784][-conn:1-] Notice: 
[31/Oct/2008:23:11:30][1075.6006784][-conn:1-]
Error: Error sourcing
/usr/local/openacs/packages/acs-bootstrap-installer/installer/install.tcl:
[31/Oct/2008:23:13:30][1075.6006784][-conn:1-] Notice: exiting: timeout waiting for connection


What's wrong here?
How can I solve it?

The last file is present on my system:

ls -l /usr/local/openacs/packages/acs-bootstrap-installer/installer/install.tcl 
-rwxrwx---? 1 openacs? openacs? 4455 Jan 10? 2007 /usr/local/openacs/packages/acs-bootstrap-installer/installer/install.tcl


And it's contents are:

##############
#
# Get configuration parameters
#
#############

install_page_contract [install_mandatory_params] [install_optional_params]

# Default all system emails to the administrators email
foreach var_name {system_owner admin_owner host_administrator outgoing_sender new_registrations} {
? ? if { [empty_string_p [set $var_name]] } {
? ? ? ? set $var_name $email
? ? }
}

##############
#
# System setting validation
#
#############

if {$password ne $password_confirmation? } {
? ? install_return 200 "Passwords Don't Match" "
The passwords you've entered don't match. Please <a href=\"javascript:history.back()\">try again</a>.
"
? ? return
}

##############
#
# Install data model
#
#############

ns_write [install_header 200 ""]

if { ![install_good_data_model_p] } {
? ? install_do_data_model_install
} else {
? ? ns_write "Kernel data model already installed."
? ? # If kernel is installed it probably means this page has already been requested,
? ? # let's exit
? ? return
}

##############
#
# Install packages
#
#############

install_do_packages_install

if { $username eq "" } {
? ? set username $email
}

if { ![db_string user_exists {
? ? select count(*) from parties where email = lower(:email)
}] } {

? db_transaction {
? ? 
? ? set user_id [ad_user_new \
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???$email \
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???$first_names \
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???$last_name \
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???$password \
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???"" \
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???"" \
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???"" \
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???"t" \
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???"approved" \
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???"" \
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???$username]
? ? if { !$user_id } {

??? global errorInfo? ? 
??? install_return 200 "Unable to Create Administrator" "
? ? 
Unable to create the site-wide administrator:
???
<blockquote><pre>[ns_quotehtml $errorInfo]</pre></blockquote>
? ? 
Please <a href=\"javascript:history.back()\">try again</a>.
? ? 
"
? ? ? ? return
? ? }

? ? # stub util_memoize_flush...
? ? rename util_memoize_flush util_memoize_flush_saved
? ? proc util_memoize_flush {args} {}
? ? permission::grant -party_id $user_id -object_id [acs_lookup_magic_object security_context_root] -privilege "admin"
? ? # nuke stub 
? ? rename util_memoize_flush {}
? ? rename util_memoize_flush_saved util_memoize_flush
? }
? ad_conn -set user_id $user_id
}

# Now process the application bundle if an install.xml file was found.

if { [file exists "[acs_root_dir]/install.xml"] } {
? ? set output [apm::process_install_xml "/install.xml" {}]
? ? ns_write "<p>[join $output "</p><p>"]</p>"
}


##############
#
# Load message catalogs
#
#############


# Doing this before restart so that keys are available in init files on startup
ns_write "<p>Loading message catalogs..."
lang::catalog::import -initialize
ns_write "? <p>Done.<p>"

##############
#
# Secret tokens
#
#############

ns_write "<p>Generating secret tokens..."
populate_secret_tokens_db
ns_write "? <p>Done.<p>"

##############
#
# System settings
#
#############

set kernel_id [db_string acs_kernel_id_get {
? ? select package_id from apm_packages
? ? where package_key = 'acs-kernel'
}]

foreach { var param } {
? ? system_url SystemURL
? ? system_name SystemName
? ? publisher_name PublisherName
? ? system_owner SystemOwner
? ? admin_owner AdminOwner
? ? host_administrator HostAdministrator
? ? outgoing_sender OutgoingSender
} {
? ? ad_parameter -set [set $var] -package_id $kernel_id $param
}

# set the Main Site RestrictToSSL parameter

set main_site_id [subsite::main_site_id]

ad_parameter -set "acs-admin/*" -package_id $main_site_id RestrictToSSL
ad_parameter -set $new_registrations -package_id $main_site_id NewRegistrationEmailAddress

# We're done - kill the server (will restart if server is setup properly)
ad_schedule_proc -thread t -once t 1 ns_shutdown

set post_installation_message \
? ? [parameter::get_from_package_key -package_key acs-bootstrap-installer \
? ???-parameter post_installation_message \
? ???-default ""]

ns_write "<b>Installation finished</b>

<p> The server has been shut down. Normally, it should come back up by itself after a minute or so. </p>

<p> If not, please check your server error log, or contact your system administrator. </p>"

if { $post_installation_message ne "" } {
? ? ns_write $post_installation_message
} else {
? ? ns_write "
<p>
When the server is back up you can visit <a
href=\"/acs-admin/\">the site-wide administration pages</a>
</p>"
}

Thanks in advanced
Dino

ns_write [install_footer]

*************************************** end of original message *******************

Hi,
This was solved by adding the path to the psql binary into my openacs configuration file:

?ns_param?? pgbin????????? /usr/local/bin/

My openacs-config.tcl now has this:

ns_section "ns/db/drivers"
if { $database eq "oracle" } {
??? ns_param?? ora8?????????? ${bindir}/ora8.so
} else {
??? ns_param?? postgres?????? ${bindir}/nspostgres.so? ;# Load PostgreSQL driver
??? ns_param?? pgbin????????? /usr/local/bin/
}

Thanks.
Dino




      
From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl  Sun Nov  2 08:25:35 2008
From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar)
Date: Sun Nov  2 08:25:43 2008
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	<20081101190520.Y11557@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
	<490D13EA.6000604@rawbw.com>
Message-ID: <20081102172502.G18344@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>

> they try to compete and fail. doesn't matter who did what first. today 
> windoze gui is way more usable than kde4.

this is the only thing i agree.
From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl  Sun Nov  2 08:26:46 2008
From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar)
Date: Sun Nov  2 08:26:53 2008
Subject: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
In-Reply-To: <20081102052201.GE2112@kokopelli.hydra>
References: <490C0159.3000908@rawbw.com>
	<20081101163322.B10508@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
	<20081101160415.GB14218@rebelion.Sisis.de>
	<20081101174556.L11029@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
	<490C955C.2010201@rawbw.com> <20081102052201.GE2112@kokopelli.hydra>
Message-ID: <20081102172600.A18344@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>

> A couple of things:
>
>  1. It's true -- many users require a gentler transition than simply
>  giving up the "richness" of MS Windows and moving to some spare,

no. they don't require transition at all. they will not learn, use 
kde/gnome/whatever windoze-like thing then will get back to windoze.
From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl  Sun Nov  2 08:28:03 2008
From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar)
Date: Sun Nov  2 08:28:10 2008
Subject: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
In-Reply-To: <C914064D8D12463681A4EC09C8EAEC07@main>
References: <20081102024409.B93DF1065763@hub.freebsd.org>
	<C914064D8D12463681A4EC09C8EAEC07@main>
Message-ID: <20081102172700.N18344@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>

> Since then I've been quite a fan of XFCE but found
> myself slowly but surely converting to minimalism
> i.e. the least needed to get done what I need done!
>
> On my desktop FreeBSD this amount to about 6 jobs and for those twm fits the 
> bill perfectly.
> http://81.174.174.115/twm/twmrc.htm

i prefer fvwm2

but GREATLY reconfigured - no windows frames, no start menus etc. just 
100% of screen for use.

>
> (Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when 
> there is nothing left to take away. by Antoine de Saint-Exuper.)
exactly
From mail at ozzmosis.com  Sun Nov  2 08:37:07 2008
From: mail at ozzmosis.com (andrew clarke)
Date: Sun Nov  2 08:37:16 2008
Subject: updating from 6.3 to 7, mirror  problems
In-Reply-To: <4908AAE4000014AD@cpms02.int.iprimus.net.au>
References: <20081030143327.GA6181@ozzmosis.com>
	<4908AAE4000014AD@cpms02.int.iprimus.net.au>
Message-ID: <20081102163702.GA3921@ozzmosis.com>

On Fri 2008-10-31 08:11:49 UTC+1100, alasdair@iprimus.com.au (alasdair@iprimus.com.au) wrote:

> localhost# /usr/sbin/freebsd-update --debug fetch
> Looking up update1.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found.
> Fetching public key from update1.FreeBSD.org...
> fetch: http://update1.FreeBSD.org/6.3-STABLE/i386/pub.ssl: Not Found

Ah, this is not a DNS problem.

You are trying to run freebsd-update from 6.3-STABLE.  This isn't
supported.  From the freebsd-update(8) manpage:

"The FreeBSD Security Team only builds updates for releases shipped in
binary form by the FreeBSD Release Engineering Team, e.g., FreeBSD
6.1-RELEASE and FreeBSD 6.2-RC1, but not FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE or FreeBSD
7.0-CURRENT."
From johnny64 at swissjabber.org  Sun Nov  2 08:43:20 2008
From: johnny64 at swissjabber.org ((-K JohnNy)
Date: Sun Nov  2 08:43:27 2008
Subject: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
In-Reply-To: <20081101163322.B10508@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
References: <490C0159.3000908@rawbw.com>
	<20081101163322.B10508@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
Message-ID: <20081102164309.GE3366@georg.localdomain>

> the question should be "Is KDE usable at all on any OS?"
> the answer is no, it's crappy imitation of windoze.
> 
> If someone needs windoze like soft, just buy windows vista.
> 
> For someone who need unix, FreeBSD is a good choice.
I have to quote some random shoutbox I?vre read a long time ago:
"Narrow-minded is the only opinion worth expressing."

You have to realize that this is the question of every user's
individual needs. Some users, like for example yourself, like going
deep, using the shell for tasks from everyday life, some users are
more GUI-oriented and like somewhat more graphic approach to the same
tasks.

Saying that some software is crap just because it distantly resembles
some other soft and everybody using the soft you're criticizing should
use the other one instead, is just... Stupid. Even more if you compare
a desktop environment to a whole OS.

So, please, stop forcing your opinions to others and let them choose
for themselves. (-;

-- 
(-K JohnNy alias Partial Derivative ?
[home] http://johnny64.fixinko.sk/
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From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl  Sun Nov  2 09:32:48 2008
From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar)
Date: Sun Nov  2 09:32:54 2008
Subject: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
In-Reply-To: <20081102164309.GE3366@georg.localdomain>
References: <490C0159.3000908@rawbw.com>
	<20081101163322.B10508@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
	<20081102164309.GE3366@georg.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20081102183212.G18776@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>

>
> You have to realize that this is the question of every user's
> individual needs. Some users, like for example yourself, like going
> deep, using the shell for tasks from everyday life, some users are
> more GUI-oriented and like somewhat more graphic approach to the same
> tasks.

true. that's why there unix and there windows.

don't mix.
From koitsu at FreeBSD.org  Sun Nov  2 09:33:24 2008
From: koitsu at FreeBSD.org (Jeremy Chadwick)
Date: Sun Nov  2 09:33:32 2008
Subject: FreeBSD on Eeepc 1000h
In-Reply-To: <20081102135627.2ff984ff.aluoor@gmail.com>
References: <20081101234311.9bc42999.aluoor@gmail.com> <16517938@bs1.sp34.ru>
	<20081102074253.GA1822@rebelion.Sisis.de>
	<20081102135627.2ff984ff.aluoor@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081102173321.GA97900@icarus.home.lan>

On Sun, Nov 02, 2008 at 01:56:27PM +0100, Sven Aluoor wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 08:42:53 +0100
> Matthias Apitz <guru@unixarea.de> wrote:
> > El d?a Sunday, November 02, 2008 a las 02:48:13AM +0300, Boris
> > Samorodov escribi?:
> > > Seems that you may be interested at:
> > > http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=343551+0+current/freebsd-current
> 
> Hi Boris
> 
> This link reference to an empty document
> 
> > Known issues and FreeBSD work for the eeePC series are described here:
> > http://wiki.freebsd.org/AsusEee
> > 
> > HIH
> 
> Hi Matthias
> 
> Thanks for the wikipage. I quote from there:
> 
> Atheros L1 FastEthernet
> This one is second generation of L1 controller which is supposed to be
> heavily modified by Atheros after acquiring Attansic. This controller
> uses different bits/meaning in register layouts and seems to use
> different descriptor formats. This is not supported by the age(4)
> driver. 
> 
> In clear text: at the moment there is no driver available? Is this
> correct?

This might be applicable:

I recently send Yong-Hyeon PYUN an Asus P5Q SE motherboard, solely to
develop a driver for the Attansic L1 chip that's on the motherboard.
After a few weeks he returned to me a driver called ate(4), which
supports the Atheros AR8121/AR8113/AR8114 NICs.  The description I
got, as well as the driver:

"Ok, here is a working driver, ate(4), for Atheros AR8121/AR8113
and AR8114. It passed minimal functional requirement of network
driver of FreeBSD but it still needs more test and cleanups.
I'm not sure you have hardwares to test ate(4) but if you have
it give it a try. Note it seems that the hardware, at least AR8121,
has checksum offload bug so I disabled Tx side checksum offload.
TSO seems to work though.

The Tx performance is 920Mbps or higher but Rx performance
is 850~870 Mbps which is lower than Tx. It also requires a lot of
CPU cycles to push the hardware to limit but I think it comes from
hardware limitation not from ate(4) itself."

There is absolutely no guarantee that this is the same exact NIC used on
the Asus Eee, but there's a chance.

This driver isn't publicly available yet, and I do not feel comfortable
sending it to people here without Yong-Hyeon's permission.  I've CC'd
him so he can put it up on freebsd.org somewhere and let folks test it,
assuming it will/does work with the Asus Eee.

-- 
| Jeremy Chadwick                                jdc at parodius.com |
| Parodius Networking                       http://www.parodius.com/ |
| UNIX Systems Administrator                  Mountain View, CA, USA |
| Making life hard for others since 1977.              PGP: 4BD6C0CB |

From bruce at cran.org.uk  Sun Nov  2 10:21:29 2008
From: bruce at cran.org.uk (Bruce Cran)
Date: Sun Nov  2 10:21:36 2008
Subject: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
In-Reply-To: <20081102183212.G18776@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
References: <490C0159.3000908@rawbw.com>
	<20081101163322.B10508@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
	<20081102164309.GE3366@georg.localdomain>
	<20081102183212.G18776@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
Message-ID: <20081102102117.0818f271@tau.draftnet>

On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 18:32:39 +0100 (CET)
Wojciech Puchar <wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> wrote:

> >
> > You have to realize that this is the question of every user's
> > individual needs. Some users, like for example yourself, like going
> > deep, using the shell for tasks from everyday life, some users are
> > more GUI-oriented and like somewhat more graphic approach to the
> > same tasks.
> 
> true. that's why there unix and there windows.
> 
> don't mix.

And what about OS X? To me it seems it's a combination of the
user-friendliness of Windows with the power of *NIX.  And lots of
people have moved over to using it.

-- 
Bruce Cran
From bsam at ipt.ru  Sun Nov  2 13:25:51 2008
From: bsam at ipt.ru (Boris Samorodov)
Date: Sun Nov  2 13:25:59 2008
Subject: FreeBSD on Eeepc 1000h
In-Reply-To: <20081102135627.2ff984ff.aluoor@gmail.com> (Sven Aluoor's message
	of "Sun\, 2 Nov 2008 13\:56\:27 +0100")
References: <20081101234311.9bc42999.aluoor@gmail.com> <16517938@bs1.sp34.ru>
	<20081102074253.GA1822@rebelion.Sisis.de>
	<20081102135627.2ff984ff.aluoor@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <61138835@bs1.sp34.ru>

Sven Aluoor <aluoor@gmail.com> writes:
> On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 08:42:53 +0100
> Matthias Apitz <guru@unixarea.de> wrote:
>> El d?a Sunday, November 02, 2008 a las 02:48:13AM +0300, Boris
>> Samorodov escribi?:
>> > Seems that you may be interested at:
>> > http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=343551+0+current/freebsd-current
>
> Hi Boris
>
> This link reference to an empty document

Hm, it seems to be changed:
http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=343551+0+archive/2008/freebsd-current/20081102.freebsd-current

Anyway here it is:
-----
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 08:48:45PM +0900, To freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org wrote:
 > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 01:06:37PM +0900, To freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org wrote:
 >  > I had been working on writing a driver for Atheros AR8121(L1E),
 >  > AR8113/AR8114(L2E) ethernet controllers since Jeremy Chadwick sent
 >  > the hardware to me. I think it's feature complete state and time
 >  > for more testing for stability or some edge cases. I guess AR81xx
 >  > is commonly found on newer Asus EeePC or P5Q series of Asus
 >  > motherboard. If you have AR81xx controller would you give it spin
 >  > and let me know how it goes? You can get the latest driver at the
 >  > following URL.
 >  > http://people.freebsd.org/~yongari/ate/if_ate.c
 >  > http://people.freebsd.org/~yongari/ate/if_atereg.h
 >  > http://people.freebsd.org/~yongari/ate/if_atevar.h
 >  > http://people.freebsd.org/~yongari/ate/Makefile
 >  > or
 >  > http://people.freebsd.org/~yongari/ate/ate.20081030.tar.gz
 >  > The driver should build without problems on CURRENT, stable/7.
 >  > 
 >  > ATM the driver supports the following hardware features.
 >  >  - TSO
 >  >  - Rx TCP/UDP/IP checksum offload
 >  >  - VLAN tag insertion/stripping
 >  >  - Jumbo frame
 >  >  - WOL
 >  > It seems that hardware supports Tx checksum offload but I couldn't
 >  > make it work for TCP segments. Only short TCP segments seem to work
 >  > so I disabled Tx checksum offload.
 >  > Note, the hardware does not support descriptor based DMA on Rx side
 >  > so driver have to copy recevied frames to pass them to upper stack
 >  > so it will consume a lot of CPU cycles if you push the hardware to
 >  > the limit.
 >  > 
 > 
 > As bruffer pointed out the device name chosen conflicts with other
 > driver in tree so I renamed it to ale(4).The URL for the driver is
 > http://people.freebsd.org/~yongari/ale/if_ale.c
 > http://people.freebsd.org/~yongari/ale/if_alereg.h
 > http://people.freebsd.org/~yongari/ale/if_alevar.h
 > http://people.freebsd.org/~yongari/ale/Makefile
 > or
 > http://people.freebsd.org/~yongari/ale/ale.20081030.tar.gz
 > Sorry for confusion.

FYI:
There was a typo that keep ale(4) from building on stable/7. It was
fixed now and I reuploaded related files(URLs are the same as before).
-- 
Regards,
Pyun YongHyeon
-----


WBR
-- 
Boris Samorodov (bsam)
Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone & Internet SP
FreeBSD committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve
From pyunyh at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 16:17:48 2008
From: pyunyh at gmail.com (Pyun YongHyeon)
Date: Sun Nov  2 16:17:55 2008
Subject: FreeBSD on Eeepc 1000h
In-Reply-To: <20081102173321.GA97900@icarus.home.lan>
References: <20081101234311.9bc42999.aluoor@gmail.com> <16517938@bs1.sp34.ru>
	<20081102074253.GA1822@rebelion.Sisis.de>
	<20081102135627.2ff984ff.aluoor@gmail.com>
	<20081102173321.GA97900@icarus.home.lan>
Message-ID: <20081103001540.GA94302@cdnetworks.co.kr>

On Sun, Nov 02, 2008 at 09:33:21AM -0800, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
 > On Sun, Nov 02, 2008 at 01:56:27PM +0100, Sven Aluoor wrote:
 > > On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 08:42:53 +0100
 > > Matthias Apitz <guru@unixarea.de> wrote:
 > > > El d?a Sunday, November 02, 2008 a las 02:48:13AM +0300, Boris
 > > > Samorodov escribi?:
 > > > > Seems that you may be interested at:
 > > > > http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=343551+0+current/freebsd-current
 > > 
 > > Hi Boris
 > > 
 > > This link reference to an empty document
 > > 
 > > > Known issues and FreeBSD work for the eeePC series are described here:
 > > > http://wiki.freebsd.org/AsusEee
 > > > 
 > > > HIH
 > > 
 > > Hi Matthias
 > > 
 > > Thanks for the wikipage. I quote from there:
 > > 
 > > Atheros L1 FastEthernet
 > > This one is second generation of L1 controller which is supposed to be
 > > heavily modified by Atheros after acquiring Attansic. This controller
 > > uses different bits/meaning in register layouts and seems to use
 > > different descriptor formats. This is not supported by the age(4)
 > > driver. 
 > > 
 > > In clear text: at the moment there is no driver available? Is this
 > > correct?

That's not true anymore. There *IS* a driver, ale(4). See below.

 > 
 > This might be applicable:
 > 
 > I recently send Yong-Hyeon PYUN an Asus P5Q SE motherboard, solely to
 > develop a driver for the Attansic L1 chip that's on the motherboard.
 > After a few weeks he returned to me a driver called ate(4), which
 > supports the Atheros AR8121/AR8113/AR8114 NICs.  The description I
 > got, as well as the driver:
 > 
 > "Ok, here is a working driver, ate(4), for Atheros AR8121/AR8113
 > and AR8114. It passed minimal functional requirement of network
 > driver of FreeBSD but it still needs more test and cleanups.
 > I'm not sure you have hardwares to test ate(4) but if you have
 > it give it a try. Note it seems that the hardware, at least AR8121,
 > has checksum offload bug so I disabled Tx side checksum offload.
 > TSO seems to work though.
 > 
 > The Tx performance is 920Mbps or higher but Rx performance
 > is 850~870 Mbps which is lower than Tx. It also requires a lot of
 > CPU cycles to push the hardware to limit but I think it comes from
 > hardware limitation not from ate(4) itself."
 > 
 > There is absolutely no guarantee that this is the same exact NIC used on
 > the Asus Eee, but there's a chance.
 > 

One of FreeBSD developer also confirmed that ale(4) works on his
Eeepc 1000H. :-)

 > This driver isn't publicly available yet, and I do not feel comfortable
 > sending it to people here without Yong-Hyeon's permission.  I've CC'd
 > him so he can put it up on freebsd.org somewhere and let folks test it,
 > assuming it will/does work with the Asus Eee.
 > 

I've sent CFT to CURRENT ML and waiting for feedbacks from users.
http://marc.info/?t=122533988800003&r=1&w=2
(For unknown reason archiving service of CURRENT ML does'nt seem to
work. :-( )
I'm not subscribed to questions@ so please CC to me.

-- 
Regards,
Pyun YongHyeon
From nikola.lecic at anthesphoria.net  Sun Nov  2 16:22:45 2008
From: nikola.lecic at anthesphoria.net (Nikola =?UTF-8?B?TGXEjWnEhw==?=)
Date: Sun Nov  2 16:22:52 2008
Subject: fastest raw device copy?
In-Reply-To: <gef0dq$l8a$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <490AC650.3000904@kukulies.org>
	<20081031110159.GA30244@icarus.home.lan>
	<gef0dq$l8a$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <20081103010452.6a1f0521@anthesphoria.net>

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On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:16:38 +0100
Ivan Voras <ivoras@freebsd.org> wrote:
 
> Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 09:48:16AM +0100, Christoph Kukulies wrote:
> 
> >> What would be the fastest way to do that sector by sector copy?
> >> I'm using dd right now,
> >>
> >> dd if=/dev/ad0 of=/dev/da0 bs=10000000
> 
> > On the flip side, your blocksize (bs) there is quite high for no
> > good reason.  I'd pick something more like bs=64k or bs=128k.  The
> > default (512) is too small for what you want, but 10MBytes is silly.
> 
> Not only that, but "10000000" isn't even correct - it needs to be a
> multiple of sector size. Generally, using suffixes will do the right
> thing:
> 
> dd if=/dev/ad0 of=/dev/da0 bs=1m

Would there be anything wrong in

  cat /dev/ad0 > /dev/da0

?

- -- 
Nikola Le?i? = ?????? ?????
fingerprint : FEF3 66AF C90E EDC3 D878  7CDC 956D F4AB A377 1C9B
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From kitchetech at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 16:37:31 2008
From: kitchetech at gmail.com (matt donovan)
Date: Sun Nov  2 16:37:40 2008
Subject: updating from 6.3 to 7, mirror problems
In-Reply-To: <20081102163702.GA3921@ozzmosis.com>
References: <20081030143327.GA6181@ozzmosis.com>
	<4908AAE4000014AD@cpms02.int.iprimus.net.au>
	<20081102163702.GA3921@ozzmosis.com>
Message-ID: <28283d910811021637m44b8f613k9550837ca449e9d6@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 11:37 AM, andrew clarke <mail@ozzmosis.com> wrote:

> On Fri 2008-10-31 08:11:49 UTC+1100, alasdair@iprimus.com.au (
> alasdair@iprimus.com.au) wrote:
>
> > localhost# /usr/sbin/freebsd-update --debug fetch
> > Looking up update1.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found.
> > Fetching public key from update1.FreeBSD.org...
> > fetch: http://update1.FreeBSD.org/6.3-STABLE/i386/pub.ssl: Not Found
>
> Ah, this is not a DNS problem.
>
> You are trying to run freebsd-update from 6.3-STABLE.  This isn't
> supported.  From the freebsd-update(8) manpage:
>
> "The FreeBSD Security Team only builds updates for releases shipped in
> binary form by the FreeBSD Release Engineering Team, e.g., FreeBSD
> 6.1-RELEASE and FreeBSD 6.2-RC1, but not FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE or FreeBSD
> 7.0-CURRENT."
> _______________________________________________
> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "
> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
>

yeah I should have noticed the 6.3-STABLE but I did not
From fbsd1 at a1poweruser.com  Sun Nov  2 17:01:06 2008
From: fbsd1 at a1poweruser.com (FBSD1)
Date: Sun Nov  2 17:01:15 2008
Subject: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
In-Reply-To: <20081102044003.GC2112@kokopelli.hydra>
Message-ID: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBOEGOCMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>



-----Original Message-----
From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Chad Perrin
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 12:40 PM
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?


Ok now that you have all let off steam about the off topic of desktop verses
ms/windows lets return the meaning of the  original poster.


	I spent this weekend playing with kde4 as root and had problems with it not
working.
	Could not change the displayed time to from 20.00.00 to 8:00PM
When I changed the resolution from the default to 800x600 and the refresh
rate to 60.0 many of the applications did not auto fit to the new setting
and the change would not carry over between logons.
Some times the desktop just froze up and had to do alt-ctrl-backspace to
force return to command line.
When I changed the font type and size to use, the change would not carry
over between logons.
Could not find a way to remove items from the menu.
Some icons would not display at all.
Koffice was missing.
Not all the application use the new window format which has the option to
return to menu that launched it. Only has x out to return to desktop screen.

Bottom line is imho kde4 is not stable, is not ready for general use. Needs
more development and testing. Should only be contained in the development
ports category.



From fbsd1 at a1poweruser.com  Sun Nov  2 19:30:14 2008
From: fbsd1 at a1poweruser.com (FBSD1)
Date: Sun Nov  2 20:07:32 2008
Subject: XFCE4
Message-ID: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBIEGPCMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>

What port names need to be installed to create a XFCE4 desktop environment?
I was looking for a mega port like kde3 has but could not identify one.
Thanks in advance.

From eitanadlerlist at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 20:14:21 2008
From: eitanadlerlist at gmail.com (Eitan Adler)
Date: Sun Nov  2 20:14:31 2008
Subject: XFCE4
In-Reply-To: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBIEGPCMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>
References: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBIEGPCMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>
Message-ID: <490E7A98.1050403@gmail.com>

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FBSD1 wrote:
> What port names need to be installed to create a XFCE4 desktop
environment?
> I was looking for a mega port like kde3 has but could not identify one.
> Thanks in advance.
I'm going to rake a random guess: x11-wm/xfce4 ?
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From andrewberry at sentex.net  Sun Nov  2 22:07:39 2008
From: andrewberry at sentex.net (Andrew Berry)
Date: Sun Nov  2 22:07:46 2008
Subject: MySQL not restarted after portupgrade
Message-ID: <513F7DF0-642B-4D58-B533-A49FEBD2E2AF@sentex.net>

Hi,

For some reason, after running portupgrade databases/mysql51-server,  
MySQL is brought down, but not restarted. It's not a huge issue, as I  
just have to remember to run the rc.d script after upgrading, but I  
was wondering if anyone else had seen this? portupgrade seems to work  
fine with other daemons such as Apache and Courier IMAP.

Thanks,
--Andrew
From koitsu at FreeBSD.org  Sun Nov  2 22:22:19 2008
From: koitsu at FreeBSD.org (Jeremy Chadwick)
Date: Sun Nov  2 22:22:26 2008
Subject: MySQL not restarted after portupgrade
In-Reply-To: <513F7DF0-642B-4D58-B533-A49FEBD2E2AF@sentex.net>
References: <513F7DF0-642B-4D58-B533-A49FEBD2E2AF@sentex.net>
Message-ID: <20081103062153.GA12804@icarus.home.lan>

On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 12:52:53AM -0500, Andrew Berry wrote:
> For some reason, after running portupgrade databases/mysql51-server,  
> MySQL is brought down, but not restarted. It's not a huge issue, as I  
> just have to remember to run the rc.d script after upgrading, but I was 
> wondering if anyone else had seen this? portupgrade seems to work fine 
> with other daemons such as Apache and Courier IMAP.

This is a per-port thing, unless portupgrade provides some form of
rc.subr script restarting itself.  There is no "standard" for this.

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| UNIX Systems Administrator                  Mountain View, CA, USA |
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From dnelson at allantgroup.com  Sun Nov  2 22:29:35 2008
From: dnelson at allantgroup.com (Dan Nelson)
Date: Sun Nov  2 22:29:42 2008
Subject: MySQL not restarted after portupgrade
In-Reply-To: <513F7DF0-642B-4D58-B533-A49FEBD2E2AF@sentex.net>
References: <513F7DF0-642B-4D58-B533-A49FEBD2E2AF@sentex.net>
Message-ID: <20081103062932.GD47647@dan.emsphone.com>

In the last episode (Nov 03), Andrew Berry said:
> For some reason, after running portupgrade databases/mysql51-server,
> MySQL is brought down, but not restarted. It's not a huge issue, as I
> just have to remember to run the rc.d script after upgrading, but I
> was wondering if anyone else had seen this? portupgrade seems to work
> fine with other daemons such as Apache and Courier IMAP.

It's in the pkg-list.  The first line is "@stopdaemon mysql-server", so
any time you upgrade the port, it kills mysql.  Enough ports do this,
and it's so annoying, that I recommend just disabling it completely:

--- bsd.port.mk	5 Sep 2008 19:41:43 -0000	1.604
+++ bsd.port.mk	8 Oct 2008 06:21:55 -0000
@@ -1588,10 +1588,9 @@
 		DATADIR=${DATADIR} DOCSDIR=${DOCSDIR} EXAMPLESDIR=${EXAMPLESDIR} \
 		WWWDIR=${WWWDIR} ETCDIR=${ETCDIR}
 
-PLIST_REINPLACE+=	dirrmtry stopdaemon rmtry
+PLIST_REINPLACE+=	dirrmtry rmtry
 PLIST_REINPLACE_DIRRMTRY=s!^@dirrmtry \(.*\)!@unexec rmdir %D/\1 2>/dev/null || true!
 PLIST_REINPLACE_RMTRY=s!^@rmtry \(.*\)!@unexec rm -f %D/\1 2>/dev/null || true!
-PLIST_REINPLACE_STOPDAEMON=s!^@stopdaemon \(.*\)!@unexec %D/etc/rc.d/\1${RC_SUBR_SUFFIX} forcestop 2>/dev/null || true!
 
 # kludge to strip trailing whitespace from CFLAGS;
 # sub-configure will not # survive double space


Some ports run the rc.d script themselves on uninstall (sysutils/hal,
for exmaple), so you have to edit the pkg-plist file and remove the
unexec line from those manually.

-- 
	Dan Nelson
	dnelson@allantgroup.com
From Ragendra.Mishra at netapp.com  Sun Nov  2 22:31:00 2008
From: Ragendra.Mishra at netapp.com (Mishra, Ragendra)
Date: Sun Nov  2 22:31:07 2008
Subject: FW: Issues in adding symbols in gdb - FreeBSD.
Message-ID: <2E1EB2CF9ED1CB4AA966F0EB76EAB443016EDA75@SACMVEXC2-PRD.hq.netapp.com>

 
Having issues loading .ko modules. Gets the message ...(no debugging
symbols found).
 
However, attempt to load .kld succeeds and following that .ko also works
good. But soon after that, gets the follwoing message.
 
Ignoring packet error, continuing...
Reply contains invalid hex digit -49
Ignoring packet error, c
 
Please let me know, if you have seen this or could guess of something..
 
Build command: 

 make -m /usr/share/mk -m /disk3/ragendra/src/B_SAN2x/mk
DESTDIR=/disk3/ragendra/src/B_SAN2x/install/md NO_PROFILE=1 NO_SHARED=1
NOTAG=1 NOUPDATE=1 NOGET=1 OWNER=ragendra
BLDROOT=/disk3/ragendra/src/B_SAN2x INTERNAL=1
LOCALCVSROOT=/disk3/ragendra/src/B_SAN2x/ SYSDIR=/usr/src/sys NONAS=1
DCR_PRODUCT=san PRODUCT=san -DDEBUG -DDCR_DEBUG STRIP= KMODSTRIP= world 

Loading Symbols:

(gdb) add-symbol-file /disk3/ragendra/src/B_SAN2x/dfc/kmod/dfc.ko
0x660F63DC
add symbol table from file "/disk3/ragendra/src/B_SAN2x/dfc/kmod/dfc.ko"
at text_addr = 0x660f63dc?
(y or n) y
Reading symbols from /disk3/ragendra/src/B_SAN2x/dfc/kmod/dfc.ko...(no
debugging symbols found)...done.
(gdb) add-symbol-file
/disk3/ragendra/src/B_SAN2x/dfc/dfcispfw/obj/dfcispfw.ko 0x663596D0
add symbol table from file
"/disk3/ragendra/src/B_SAN2x/dfc/dfcispfw/obj/dfcispfw.ko" at text_addr
= 0x663596d0?
(y or n) y
Reading symbols from
/disk3/ragendra/src/B_SAN2x/dfc/dfcispfw/obj/dfcispfw.ko...(no debugging
symbols found)...done.


loading  dfc.kld is successful 


(gdb) add-symbol-file /disk3/ragendra/src/B_SAN2x/dfc/kmod/dfc.kld
0x660F63DC
add symbol table from file
"/disk3/ragendra/src/B_SAN2x/dfc/kmod/dfc.kld" at text_addr =
0x660f63dc?
(y or n) y
Reading symbols from
/disk3/ragendra/src/B_SAN2x/dfc/kmod/dfc.kld...done.

(gdb) add-symbol-file /disk3/ragendra/src/B_SAN2x/dfc/kmod/dfc.ko
0x660F63DC
add symbol table from file "/disk3/ragendra/src/B_SAN2x/dfc/kmod/dfc.ko"
at text_addr = 0x660f63dc?
(y or n) y
Reading symbols from /disk3/ragendra/src/B_SAN2x/dfc/kmod/dfc.ko...done.


 

 

From joeb at a1poweruser.com  Sun Nov  2 22:37:35 2008
From: joeb at a1poweruser.com (joeb)
Date: Sun Nov  2 22:37:42 2008
Subject: XFCE4
In-Reply-To: <490E7A98.1050403@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBAEHBCMAA.joeb@a1poweruser.com>

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FBSD1 wrote:
> What port names need to be installed to create a XFCE4 desktop
environment?
> I was looking for a mega port like kde3 has but could not identify one.
> Thanks in advance.

I'm going to rake a random guess: x11-wm/xfce4 ?
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Eitan Adler
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 12:14 PM
To: fbsd1@a1poweruser.com
Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD. ORG
Subject: Re: XFCE4

Thank you for your random guess, but research of the ports system seem to
indicate a whole suite of ports are needed to build a complete working
environment.
Waiting for a real user to fill in the details of what combination of ports
they used to build their XFCE4 desktop.

From yuri.pankov at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 22:47:03 2008
From: yuri.pankov at gmail.com (Yuri Pankov)
Date: Sun Nov  2 22:47:09 2008
Subject: MySQL not restarted after portupgrade
In-Reply-To: <513F7DF0-642B-4D58-B533-A49FEBD2E2AF@sentex.net>
References: <513F7DF0-642B-4D58-B533-A49FEBD2E2AF@sentex.net>
Message-ID: <20081103061618.GA99308@darklight.homeunix.org>

On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 12:52:53AM -0500, Andrew Berry wrote:
> Hi,
>
> For some reason, after running portupgrade databases/mysql51-server,  
> MySQL is brought down, but not restarted. It's not a huge issue, as I  
> just have to remember to run the rc.d script after upgrading, but I was 
> wondering if anyone else had seen this? portupgrade seems to work fine 
> with other daemons such as Apache and Courier IMAP.
>
> Thanks,
> --Andrew

Apache and Courier IMAP are just not stopped during deinstall stage
(IIRC). You can use AFTERINSTALL in /usr/local/etc/pkgtools.conf to
start MySQL after upgrade.


HTH,
Yuri
From sonic2000gr at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 22:50:32 2008
From: sonic2000gr at gmail.com (Manolis Kiagias)
Date: Sun Nov  2 22:50:42 2008
Subject: XFCE4
In-Reply-To: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBAEHBCMAA.joeb@a1poweruser.com>
References: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBAEHBCMAA.joeb@a1poweruser.com>
Message-ID: <490E9F32.2000204@gmail.com>

joeb wrote:
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>
> FBSD1 wrote:
>   
>> What port names need to be installed to create a XFCE4 desktop
>>     
> environment?
>   
>> I was looking for a mega port like kde3 has but could not identify one.
>> Thanks in advance.
>>     
>
> I'm going to rake a random guess: x11-wm/xfce4 ?
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Eitan Adler
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 12:14 PM
> To: fbsd1@a1poweruser.com
> Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD. ORG
> Subject: Re: XFCE4
>
> Thank you for your random guess, but research of the ports system seem to
> indicate a whole suite of ports are needed to build a complete working
> environment.
> Waiting for a real user to fill in the details of what combination of ports
> they used to build their XFCE4 desktop.
>
>   

It is not really a random guess, x11-wm/xfce4 is the metaport you need 
to build for a working XFCE4 environment.
There are a couple of additional tools you may also wish to use in this 
environment. I would recommend graphics/ristretto for a lightweight 
image viewer,  sysutils/thunar-volman-plugin to handle mounting of 
external media, sysutils/xfce4-battery-plugin if running on a laptop.

Also, make sure to read:

Section 5.7.4:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11-wm.html

For usb mounting:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/usb-disks.html

For policy kit / hal settings:

http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/docs/halfaq.html

and when compiling Thunar (the file manager) make sure to select FAM 
support from the options dialog.
From jonathan+freebsd-questions at hst.org.za  Sun Nov  2 22:57:05 2008
From: jonathan+freebsd-questions at hst.org.za (Jonathan McKeown)
Date: Sun Nov  2 22:57:24 2008
Subject: Broken quoting (was Re: XFCE4)
In-Reply-To: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBAEHBCMAA.joeb@a1poweruser.com>
References: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBAEHBCMAA.joeb@a1poweruser.com>
Message-ID: <200811030902.56054.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za>

On Monday 03 November 2008 08:38:07 joeb wrote:
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>
> FBSD1 wrote:
> > What port names need to be installed to create a XFCE4 desktop
>
> environment?
>
> > I was looking for a mega port like kde3 has but could not identify one.
> > Thanks in advance.
>
> I'm going to rake a random guess: x11-wm/xfce4 ?
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Eitan Adler
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 12:14 PM
> To: fbsd1@a1poweruser.com
> Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD. ORG
> Subject: Re: XFCE4
>
> Thank you for your random guess, but research of the ports system seem to
> indicate a whole suite of ports are needed to build a complete working
> environment.
> Waiting for a real user to fill in the details of what combination of ports
> they used to build their XFCE4 desktop.

I don't know whether it's you or your email client, but your quoting is 
hideously broken. Please fix it.
From freebsd at edvax.de  Sun Nov  2 22:57:33 2008
From: freebsd at edvax.de (Polytropon)
Date: Sun Nov  2 22:57:42 2008
Subject: XFCE4
In-Reply-To: <490E9F32.2000204@gmail.com>
References: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBAEHBCMAA.joeb@a1poweruser.com>
	<490E9F32.2000204@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081103075728.cd0c79da.freebsd@edvax.de>

On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 08:50:26 +0200, Manolis Kiagias <sonic2000gr@gmail.com> wrote:
> It is not really a random guess, x11-wm/xfce4 is the metaport you need 
> to build for a working XFCE4 environment.

This provides you will the basic functionalities of XFCE 4. You
pointed out correctly that there are tools someone might want to
install afterwards. You gave some good suggestions.



> There are a couple of additional tools you may also wish to use in this 
> environment. I would recommend graphics/ristretto for a lightweight 
> image viewer,  sysutils/thunar-volman-plugin to handle mounting of 
> external media, sysutils/xfce4-battery-plugin if running on a laptop.

The sysutils category of the ports offers even more little plugins
for operations and diagnostics that might be useful at some point.

If you're interested, I'd recommend these articles to have a look
at, in case you want a "standard look". :-)

	http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2008/02/10/design-your-own-desktop-with-xfce-44/

	http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2008/02/15/design-your-own-desktop-with-xfce-44-part-2/

Don't mind it's from a Linux blog, it will work in FreeBSD, too.

-- 
Polytropon
>From Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl  Mon Nov  3 00:05:08 2008
From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar)
Date: Mon Nov  3 00:05:14 2008
Subject: fastest raw device copy?
In-Reply-To: <20081103010452.6a1f0521@anthesphoria.net>
References: <490AC650.3000904@kukulies.org>
	<20081031110159.GA30244@icarus.home.lan>
	<gef0dq$l8a$1@ger.gmane.org> <20081103010452.6a1f0521@anthesphoria.net>
Message-ID: <20081103090433.Q7301@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>

> Would there be anything wrong in
>
>  cat /dev/ad0 > /dev/da0
>
> ?

small block size, IMHO 4kB with cat
From koitsu at FreeBSD.org  Mon Nov  3 00:06:34 2008
From: koitsu at FreeBSD.org (Jeremy Chadwick)
Date: Mon Nov  3 00:07:54 2008
Subject: fastest raw device copy?
In-Reply-To: <20081103090433.Q7301@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
References: <490AC650.3000904@kukulies.org>
	<20081031110159.GA30244@icarus.home.lan>
	<gef0dq$l8a$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<20081103010452.6a1f0521@anthesphoria.net>
	<20081103090433.Q7301@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
Message-ID: <20081103080632.GA15011@icarus.home.lan>

On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 09:04:47AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
>> Would there be anything wrong in
>>
>>  cat /dev/ad0 > /dev/da0
>>
>> ?
>
> small block size, IMHO 4kB with cat

Not to mention, doesn't cat operate on a character level and not a block
level?

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| UNIX Systems Administrator                  Mountain View, CA, USA |
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From guru at unixarea.de  Mon Nov  3 01:06:15 2008
From: guru at unixarea.de (Matthias Apitz)
Date: Mon Nov  3 01:06:23 2008
Subject: about vi editor and turkish char
In-Reply-To: <5D5DA329DBBC4D628B3639AEEE7E8E15@desktop2002>
References: <580480006E6C4B4699FE89EBF5E38145@desktop2002>
	<20081031173310.GA2259@rebelion.Sisis.de>
	<5D5DA329DBBC4D628B3639AEEE7E8E15@desktop2002>
Message-ID: <20081103090610.GA2517@rebelion.Sisis.de>

El d?a Saturday, November 01, 2008 a las 09:37:01PM +0200, Yavuz Maslak escribi?:

> 
> Hello,
> 
> Where do I have to specify "LANG ... " expression to support  any language 
> in VI ?
> 
> Ok. I have no problem in many editors about that but I wish to learn for vi 
> .

in sh or bash:

$ LANG=es_ES.UTF-8 export LANG
$ vim yourFileHere

HIH

	matthias

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From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl  Mon Nov  3 01:50:21 2008
From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar)
Date: Mon Nov  3 01:50:28 2008
Subject: fastest raw device copy?
In-Reply-To: <20081103080632.GA15011@icarus.home.lan>
References: <490AC650.3000904@kukulies.org>
	<20081031110159.GA30244@icarus.home.lan>
	<gef0dq$l8a$1@ger.gmane.org> <20081103010452.6a1f0521@anthesphoria.net>
	<20081103090433.Q7301@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
	<20081103080632.GA15011@icarus.home.lan>
Message-ID: <20081103104950.B7771@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>

>>> ?
>>
>> small block size, IMHO 4kB with cat
>
> Not to mention, doesn't cat operate on a character level and not a block
> level?
it just do 4kB read. that's all
From gpbuono at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 02:23:58 2008
From: gpbuono at gmail.com (Gian Paolo Buono)
Date: Mon Nov  3 02:24:05 2008
Subject: CVSup update nagios-3.0.4_1
Message-ID: <c60a46e50811030223m164091cfld125e29b69de7e60@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
from web ports I have see   (
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/ports.cgi?query=nagios-3&stype=all&sektion=all)
that is relased the version nagios-3.0.4_1 of nagios but I have on my system
the version nagios-3.0.3.

Now if i try to update nagios from cvsup I run the follow comands:

cd /usr/ports/ ; make update ; make fetchindex

When the upgrade is finished, i run:
portversion -l '<' -v | grep nagios

but nagios-3.0.4_1 is not present.

This is my /etc/make.conf file:

#############make.conf#################
CPUTYPE=                i686
CFLAGS=                 -O -pipe
INSTALL=                install -C
SUP_UPDATE=             yes
SUP=                    /usr/local/bin/cvsup
SUPFLAGS=               -g -L 2
SUPHOST=                cvsup18.FreeBSD.org
SUPFILE=                /usr/share/examples/cvsup/stable-supfile
PORTSSUPFILE=           /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ports-supfile
DOCSUPFILE=             /usr/share/examples/cvsup/doc-supfile
WRKDIRPREFIX=           /var/tmp
WITHOUT_GNOME=          true
WANT_OPENSSL_MANPAGES=  true
MAKE_IDEA=              YES
WITH_OPTIMIZED_CFLAGS=  yes
PERL_ARCH=              mach
NOPERL=                 yo
NO_PERL=                yo
NO_PERL_WRAPPER=        yo
#############make.conf#################


cvsup18.FreeBSD.org has not yet updated ? Have you an idea ?

Thanks
GianPaolo
From alasdair at iprimus.com.au  Mon Nov  3 02:52:30 2008
From: alasdair at iprimus.com.au (alasdair@iprimus.com.au)
Date: Mon Nov  3 02:52:37 2008
Subject: updating from 6.3 to 7, mirror problems
In-Reply-To: <28283d910811021637m44b8f613k9550837ca449e9d6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4908AAE400004528@cpms02.int.iprimus.net.au>


>-- Original Message --
>Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 19:37:29 -0500
>From: "matt donovan" <kitchetech@gmail.com>
>To: "andrew clarke" <mail@ozzmosis.com>
>Subject: Re: updating from 6.3 to 7, mirror problems
>Cc: alasdair@iprimus.com.au, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
>
>
>On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 11:37 AM, andrew clarke <mail@ozzmosis.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri 2008-10-31 08:11:49 UTC+1100, alasdair@iprimus.com.au (
>> alasdair@iprimus.com.au) wrote:
>>
>> > localhost# /usr/sbin/freebsd-update --debug fetch
>> > Looking up update1.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found.
>> > Fetching public key from update1.FreeBSD.org...
>> > fetch: http://update1.FreeBSD.org/6.3-STABLE/i386/pub.ssl: Not Found
>>
>> Ah, this is not a DNS problem.
>>
>> You are trying to run freebsd-update from 6.3-STABLE.  This isn't
>> supported.  From the freebsd-update(8) manpage:
>>
>> "The FreeBSD Security Team only builds updates for releases shipped in
>> binary form by the FreeBSD Release Engineering Team, e.g., FreeBSD
>> 6.1-RELEASE and FreeBSD 6.2-RC1, but not FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE or FreeBSD
>> 7.0-CURRENT."
>> _______________________________________________
>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "
>> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
>>
>
>yeah I should have noticed the 6.3-STABLE but I did not

Ok I see. How do I update from 6.3 STABLE to 7.0 STABLE ? I imagine there
is a tool for that? Short of down loading the iso files and doing it from
discs.

Thanks for your patience!!

Regards,

Alasdair

From johnny64 at swissjabber.org  Mon Nov  3 05:14:42 2008
From: johnny64 at swissjabber.org ((-K JohnNy)
Date: Mon Nov  3 05:14:50 2008
Subject: updating from 6.3 to 7, mirror problems
In-Reply-To: <4908AAE400004528@cpms02.int.iprimus.net.au>
References: <28283d910811021637m44b8f613k9550837ca449e9d6@mail.gmail.com>
	<4908AAE400004528@cpms02.int.iprimus.net.au>
Message-ID: <20081103131428.GK3366@georg.localdomain>

> Ok I see. How do I update from 6.3 STABLE to 7.0 STABLE ? I imagine there
> is a tool for that? Short of down loading the iso files and doing it from
> discs.

Don't know if there is a tool for this, but the usual way is to make a
RELENG-7 supfile, csup the 7-STABLE sources  and build them. More on
this subject in the handbook.
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cutting-edge.html

> Thanks for your patience!!
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Alasdair

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From rvm at CBORD.com  Mon Nov  3 06:01:13 2008
From: rvm at CBORD.com (Bob McConnell)
Date: Mon Nov  3 06:01:20 2008
Subject: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
In-Reply-To: <20081102102117.0818f271@tau.draftnet>
References: <490C0159.3000908@rawbw.com><20081101163322.B10508@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl><20081102164309.GE3366@georg.localdomain><20081102183212.G18776@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
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On Behalf Of Bruce Cran

> And what about OS X? To me it seems it's a combination of the
> user-friendliness of Windows with the power of *NIX.  And lots of
> people have moved over to using it.

Yes, it appears to be very nice. The programmer in the next cube bought
his own laptop just so he can use it, with MS-Windows running in a VM.
But it can only be run on overpriced hardware available from a single
supplier. Until there are multiple sources, I don't consider it worth
evaluating.

Bob McConnell
From rvm at CBORD.com  Mon Nov  3 06:18:27 2008
From: rvm at CBORD.com (Bob McConnell)
Date: Mon Nov  3 06:18:34 2008
Subject: Broken quoting (was Re: XFCE4)
In-Reply-To: <200811030902.56054.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za>
References: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBAEHBCMAA.joeb@a1poweruser.com>
	<200811030902.56054.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za>
Message-ID: <FF8482A96323694490C194BABEAC24A0037A236B@Email.cbord.com>

On Behalf Of Jonathan McKeown
On Monday 03 November 2008 08:38:07 joeb wrote:

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
>> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Eitan Adler
>> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 12:14 PM
>> To: fbsd1@a1poweruser.com
>> Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD. ORG
>> Subject: Re: XFCE4
>>
>> Thank you for your random guess, but research of the ports system
seem to
>> indicate a whole suite of ports are needed to build a complete
working
>> environment.
>> Waiting for a real user to fill in the details of what combination of
ports
>> they used to build their XFCE4 desktop.
> 
> I don't know whether it's you or your email client, but your quoting
is 
> hideously broken. Please fix it.

It's his email client. Microsoft Lookout will no longer do standard
quoting and forces top posting of replies. I am also required to use it
by our IT department policies and have to manually reformat each message
I reply to. There used to be an option that could be set to get angle
bracket quoting, but that disappeared in the update from MS-Office 2000
to 2003.

The top line, "-----Original Message-----", is the clue that he is using
the Microsoft client. That is its standard separator for all replies.
Yes, it is a major pain. I really do prefer Thunderbird.

Bob McConnell
From alex34live at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 06:32:17 2008
From: alex34live at gmail.com (Alex Zhang)
Date: Mon Nov  3 06:32:24 2008
Subject: Question: the stable edition of Freebsd
Message-ID: <FC85C61A1AD74640B71DCDEC505755D8@inb>

Dear Support:

 

I'm a newcomer and want to install FreeBSD for study. Could you pls let me
know which the stable edition of FreeBSD now? 

And let me know how to subscribe the Q&A list that I prefer.

Thanks in advance.

 

BR

Alex 

From brentgclarklist at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 06:43:37 2008
From: brentgclarklist at gmail.com (Brent Clark)
Date: Mon Nov  3 06:43:44 2008
Subject: raid tool
Message-ID: <490F0881.2030809@gmail.com>

Hiya

New to BSD, Using FreeBSD 7.
I need to build a test fileserver,  but I want it to use Raid 5. 
Googling says I must use vinum.

Looking in the ports I see its not available. The links / sites google 
suggests were moderately old, so my question is, whats the tool for raid?

TIA

Regards
Brent Clark
From jonathan+freebsd-questions at hst.org.za  Mon Nov  3 06:53:47 2008
From: jonathan+freebsd-questions at hst.org.za (Jonathan McKeown)
Date: Mon Nov  3 06:53:56 2008
Subject: Broken quoting (was Re: XFCE4)
In-Reply-To: <FF8482A96323694490C194BABEAC24A0037A236B@Email.cbord.com>
References: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBAEHBCMAA.joeb@a1poweruser.com>
	<200811030902.56054.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za>
	<FF8482A96323694490C194BABEAC24A0037A236B@Email.cbord.com>
Message-ID: <200811031659.39326.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za>

On Monday 03 November 2008 16:17:20 Bob McConnell wrote:

[Jonathan to joeb via freebsd-questions]
> > I don't know whether it's you or your email client, but your quoting
> > is hideously broken. Please fix it.
>
> It's his email client. Microsoft Lookout will no longer do standard
> quoting and forces top posting of replies. I am also required to use it
> by our IT department policies and have to manually reformat each message
> I reply to. There used to be an option that could be set to get angle
> bracket quoting, but that disappeared in the update from MS-Office 2000
> to 2003.
>
> The top line, "-----Original Message-----", is the clue that he is using
> the Microsoft client. That is its standard separator for all replies.
> Yes, it is a major pain. I really do prefer Thunderbird.

I'm used to seeing the original message starting with its headers in the 
Outlook style - that's not what's confusing me here.

joeb, I don't mean to be rude but I find your posts hard to read (and I've 
seen others comment so as well), because instead you somehow end up with the 
original headers AFTER the original message, which is unexpected, and your 
response after that again - looking as though it belongs to the original 
header block.
From Johan at double-l.nl  Mon Nov  3 06:55:34 2008
From: Johan at double-l.nl (Johan Hendriks)
Date: Mon Nov  3 06:55:42 2008
Subject: Question: the stable edition of Freebsd
References: <FC85C61A1AD74640B71DCDEC505755D8@inb>
Message-ID: <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE1FB@w2003s01.double-l.local>

>Dear Support:
>
>I'm a newcomer and want to install FreeBSD for study. Could you pls let me
>know which the stable edition of FreeBSD now? 
>
>And let me know how to subscribe the Q&A list that I prefer.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
> 
>BR
>Alex
 
The latest stable version is a release like 7.0 or 6.3
Both are at the final stages of being replaced by 7.1 and 6.4

You subscribe to the mailing list by going to the following URL:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-MAIL
 
Select the list and on that page you'll see Subscribing to freebsd-(listname)

Fill in your e-mailadres and follow the instructions


Regards,
Johan Hendriks

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From cyb. at gmx.net  Mon Nov  3 06:56:20 2008
From: cyb. at gmx.net (Andreas Rudisch)
Date: Mon Nov  3 06:56:28 2008
Subject: Question: the stable edition of Freebsd
In-Reply-To: <FC85C61A1AD74640B71DCDEC505755D8@inb>
References: <FC85C61A1AD74640B71DCDEC505755D8@inb>
Message-ID: <20081103155614.1ccaa2a3.cyb.@gmx.net>

On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 22:01:21 +0800
"Alex Zhang" <alex34live@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm a newcomer and want to install FreeBSD for study. Could you pls let me
> know which the stable edition of FreeBSD now? 

http://www.freebsd.org/
http://www.freebsd.org/releases/7.0R/announce.html

> And let me know how to subscribe the Q&A list that I prefer.

http://www.freebsd.org/community/mailinglists.html
http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions

Andreas
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From steinex at nognu.de  Mon Nov  3 07:07:43 2008
From: steinex at nognu.de (Frank Steinborn)
Date: Mon Nov  3 07:07:49 2008
Subject: Broken quoting (was Re: XFCE4)
In-Reply-To: <200811031659.39326.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za>
References: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBAEHBCMAA.joeb@a1poweruser.com>
	<200811030902.56054.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za>
	<FF8482A96323694490C194BABEAC24A0037A236B@Email.cbord.com>
	<200811031659.39326.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za>
Message-ID: <1DB1F935-10CD-461B-80EA-4452FB9CAFF0@nognu.de>


That's wrong.


Am 03.11.2008 um 15:59 schrieb Jonathan McKeown <jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za 
 >:

> On Monday 03 November 2008 16:17:20 Bob McConnell wrote:
>
> [Jonathan to joeb via freebsd-questions]
>>> I don't know whether it's you or your email client, but your quoting
>>> is hideously broken. Please fix it.
>>
>> It's his email client. Microsoft Lookout will no longer do standard
>> quoting and forces top posting of replies. I am also required to  
>> use it
>> by our IT department policies and have to manually reformat each  
>> message
>> I reply to. There used to be an option that could be set to get angle
>> bracket quoting, but that disappeared in the update from MS-Office  
>> 2000
>> to 2003.
>>
>> The top line, "-----Original Message-----", is the clue that he is  
>> using
>> the Microsoft client. That is its standard separator for all replies.
>> Yes, it is a major pain. I really do prefer Thunderbird.
>
> I'm used to seeing the original message starting with its headers in  
> the
> Outlook style - that's not what's confusing me here.
>
> joeb, I don't mean to be rude but I find your posts hard to read  
> (and I've
> seen others comment so as well), because instead you somehow end up  
> with the
> original headers AFTER the original message, which is unexpected,  
> and your
> response after that again - looking as though it belongs to the  
> original
> header block.
> _______________________________________________
> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org 
> "
From lists at jnielsen.net  Mon Nov  3 07:09:18 2008
From: lists at jnielsen.net (John Nielsen)
Date: Mon Nov  3 07:09:25 2008
Subject: raid tool
In-Reply-To: <490F0881.2030809@gmail.com>
References: <490F0881.2030809@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811031009.15922.lists@jnielsen.net>

On Monday 03 November 2008 09:19:45 am Brent Clark wrote:
> New to BSD, Using FreeBSD 7.
> I need to build a test fileserver,  but I want it to use Raid 5.
> Googling says I must use vinum.

You have a few options, but strictly speaking the best-supported way to do 
RAID5 in FreeBSD is to use gvinum (vinum's GEOM-ified successor). It is 
part of the base system and not in ports.

There is also an unofficial geom_raid5 module, but last I was aware it 
still had some issues (and you'd have to grab the source and built it 
manually).

> Looking in the ports I see its not available. The links / sites google
> suggests were moderately old, so my question is, whats the tool for
> raid?

If you replace "raid5" with "redundancy and n-1 capacity" then you could 
also look at geom_raid3, which is much simpler to configure than gvinum 
and also part of the base system. Additionally, FreeBSD 7.x has 
experimental support for ZFS (again in the base system and not in ports). 
That includes raidz, which is designed to have all of the good features 
of raid5 and none of the bad. I use it and it works well but you will 
need to do some reading and some manual tuning of your system. You'll 
also want a system with plenty of RAM and preferrably running 
FreeBSD-amd64 (vs FreeBSD-i386).

If you want to look in to RAID1 or RAID1+0 see geom_mirror and 
geom_stripe, also in the base system.

JN

From steinex at nognu.de  Mon Nov  3 07:10:44 2008
From: steinex at nognu.de (Frank Steinborn)
Date: Mon Nov  3 07:10:52 2008
Subject: Broken quoting (was Re: XFCE4)
In-Reply-To: <1DB1F935-10CD-461B-80EA-4452FB9CAFF0@nognu.de>
References: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBAEHBCMAA.joeb@a1poweruser.com>
	<200811030902.56054.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za>
	<FF8482A96323694490C194BABEAC24A0037A236B@Email.cbord.com>
	<200811031659.39326.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za>
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On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Frank Steinborn <steinex@nognu.de> wrote:
>
> That's wrong.
>
>
> Am 03.11.2008 um 15:59 schrieb Jonathan McKeown
> <jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za>:
>
>> On Monday 03 November 2008 16:17:20 Bob McConnell wrote:
>>
>> [Jonathan to joeb via freebsd-questions]
>>>>
>>>> I don't know whether it's you or your email client, but your quoting
>>>> is hideously broken. Please fix it.
>>>
>>> It's his email client. Microsoft Lookout will no longer do standard
>>> quoting and forces top posting of replies. I am also required to use it
>>> by our IT department policies and have to manually reformat each message
>>> I reply to. There used to be an option that could be set to get angle
>>> bracket quoting, but that disappeared in the update from MS-Office 2000
>>> to 2003.
>>>
>>> The top line, "-----Original Message-----", is the clue that he is using
>>> the Microsoft client. That is its standard separator for all replies.
>>> Yes, it is a major pain. I really do prefer Thunderbird.
>>
>> I'm used to seeing the original message starting with its headers in the
>> Outlook style - that's not what's confusing me here.
>>
>> joeb, I don't mean to be rude but I find your posts hard to read (and I've
>> seen others comment so as well), because instead you somehow end up with
>> the
>> original headers AFTER the original message, which is unexpected, and your
>> response after that again - looking as though it belongs to the original
>> header block.
>> _______________________________________________
>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to
>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"

I'm sorry, this was not intended to go to you Jonathan, nor to the
list. I messed something up here. Sorry.

Frank
From brentgclarklist at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 07:19:32 2008
From: brentgclarklist at gmail.com (Brent Clark)
Date: Mon Nov  3 07:19:39 2008
Subject: raid tool
In-Reply-To: <200811031009.15922.lists@jnielsen.net>
References: <490F0881.2030809@gmail.com>
	<200811031009.15922.lists@jnielsen.net>
Message-ID: <490F1681.5020607@gmail.com>

John Nielsen wrote:
> If you replace "raid5" with "redundancy and n-1 capacity" then you could 
> also look at geom_raid3, which is much simpler to configure than gvinum 
> and also part of the base system. Additionally, FreeBSD 7.x has 
> experimental support for ZFS (again in the base system and not in ports). 
> That includes raidz, which is designed to have all of the good features 
> of raid5 and none of the bad. I use it and it works well but you will 
> need to do some reading and some manual tuning of your system. You'll 
> also want a system with plenty of RAM and preferrably running 
> FreeBSD-amd64 (vs FreeBSD-i386).
>
> If you want to look in to RAID1 or RAID1+0 see geom_mirror and 
> geom_stripe, also in the base system.
>
> JN

Hiya

Thanks for this. I was looking at ZFS and I am impress with what I read, 
unfortunately no AMD 64 and I only have 1Gig Ram.

Thanks again.

Regards
Brent Clark
From koitsu at FreeBSD.org  Mon Nov  3 07:28:29 2008
From: koitsu at FreeBSD.org (Jeremy Chadwick)
Date: Mon Nov  3 07:28:36 2008
Subject: raid tool
In-Reply-To: <490F1681.5020607@gmail.com>
References: <490F0881.2030809@gmail.com>
	<200811031009.15922.lists@jnielsen.net>
	<490F1681.5020607@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081103152822.GA23251@icarus.home.lan>

On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 05:19:29PM +0200, Brent Clark wrote:
> John Nielsen wrote:
>> If you replace "raid5" with "redundancy and n-1 capacity" then you 
>> could also look at geom_raid3, which is much simpler to configure than 
>> gvinum and also part of the base system. Additionally, FreeBSD 7.x has  
>> experimental support for ZFS (again in the base system and not in 
>> ports). That includes raidz, which is designed to have all of the good 
>> features of raid5 and none of the bad. I use it and it works well but 
>> you will need to do some reading and some manual tuning of your system. 
>> You'll also want a system with plenty of RAM and preferrably running  
>> FreeBSD-amd64 (vs FreeBSD-i386).
>>
>> If you want to look in to RAID1 or RAID1+0 see geom_mirror and  
>> geom_stripe, also in the base system.
>>
>> JN
>
> Hiya
>
> Thanks for this. I was looking at ZFS and I am impress with what I read,  
> unfortunately no AMD 64 and I only have 1Gig Ram.

You can use ZFS on i386 and with 1GB RAM.

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From johnny64 at swissjabber.org  Mon Nov  3 07:28:58 2008
From: johnny64 at swissjabber.org ((-K JohnNy)
Date: Mon Nov  3 07:29:05 2008
Subject: raid tool
In-Reply-To: <490F1681.5020607@gmail.com>
References: <490F0881.2030809@gmail.com>
	<200811031009.15922.lists@jnielsen.net>
	<490F1681.5020607@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081103152846.GM3366@georg.localdomain>

> Thanks for this. I was looking at ZFS and I am impress with what I read, 
> unfortunately no AMD 64 and I only have 1Gig Ram.

I can tell you I'm using ZFS on an i386 desktop with 1 GB RAM and it
is working flawlessly after some tuning, more specifically:

# For ZFS
vm.kmem_size="521M"
vm.kmem_size_max="512M"
vfs.zfs.arc_min="16M"
vfs.zfs.arc_max="64M"
vfs.zfs.vdev.cache.size="5M"
vfs.zfs.debug=1
vfs.zfs.prefetch_disable="1"

in /boot/loader.conf.local

Today it finished the compilation openoffice.org-alllangs-3.0.0
successfully (after 1 day and 14:42:21). Before tuning the options
I have, there were some problems and the machine used to hang after
some 3 or 4 hours of compilation but from the moment I added the
options on I didn't have a single crash of the machine.
So maybe you could still give it a try...? (-;

Michal Petrucha

> Thanks again.
> 
> Regards
> Brent Clark

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From jerrymc at msu.edu  Mon Nov  3 07:36:43 2008
From: jerrymc at msu.edu (Jerry McAllister)
Date: Mon Nov  3 07:36:50 2008
Subject: XFCE4
In-Reply-To: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBAEHBCMAA.joeb@a1poweruser.com>
References: <490E7A98.1050403@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20081103153303.GA30359@gizmo.acns.msu.edu>

On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 02:38:07PM +0800, joeb wrote:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> FBSD1 wrote:
> > What port names need to be installed to create a XFCE4 desktop
> environment?
> > I was looking for a mega port like kde3 has but could not identify one.
> > Thanks in advance.
> 
> I'm going to rake a random guess: x11-wm/xfce4 ?
> _______________________________________________
> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
> To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Eitan Adler
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 12:14 PM
> To: fbsd1@a1poweruser.com
> Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD. ORG
> Subject: Re: XFCE4
> 
> Thank you for your random guess, but research of the ports system seem to
> indicate a whole suite of ports are needed to build a complete working
> environment.
> Waiting for a real user to fill in the details of what combination of ports
> they used to build their XFCE4 desktop.

If there are dependancies, then, if you install/build from ports, it
should pull in all the dependancies, build and install them automatically
from the xfce4 port build.    That is what is so nice with the port
system - or one of the big things anyway.

Other than that, I don't understand what you could be asking.

////jerry


> 
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From fbsd.questions at rachie.is-a-geek.net  Mon Nov  3 07:56:24 2008
From: fbsd.questions at rachie.is-a-geek.net (Mel)
Date: Mon Nov  3 07:56:31 2008
Subject: XFCE4
In-Reply-To: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBAEHBCMAA.joeb@a1poweruser.com>
References: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBAEHBCMAA.joeb@a1poweruser.com>
Message-ID: <200811031656.02634.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net>

On Monday 03 November 2008 07:38:07 joeb wrote:


> Waiting for a real user to fill in the details of what combination of ports
> they used to build their XFCE4 desktop.

Xfce is not much more then a window manager. It does not come with a suite of 
various desktop applications like gnome and KDE. So, x11-wm/xfce4 is the 
right meta port.

Others have suggested some additional applications and gnome/kde applications 
will work with Xfce seamlessly.
-- 
Mel

Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules
    and never get to the software part.
From aluoor at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 08:09:34 2008
From: aluoor at gmail.com (Sven)
Date: Mon Nov  3 08:09:41 2008
Subject: FreeBSD on Eeepc 1000h
In-Reply-To: <20081103001540.GA94302@cdnetworks.co.kr>
References: <20081101234311.9bc42999.aluoor@gmail.com> <16517938@bs1.sp34.ru>
	<20081102074253.GA1822@rebelion.Sisis.de>
	<20081102135627.2ff984ff.aluoor@gmail.com>
	<20081102173321.GA97900@icarus.home.lan>
	<20081103001540.GA94302@cdnetworks.co.kr>
Message-ID: <6317d8990811030809x23366946mda8909a713cb0982@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/3/08, Pyun YongHyeon <pyunyh@gmail.com> wrote:
>   > > In clear text: at the moment there is no driver available? Is this
>   > > correct?

> That's not true anymore. There *IS* a driver, ale(4). See below.
>  I've sent CFT to CURRENT ML and waiting for feedbacks from users.
>  http://marc.info/?t=122533988800003&r=1&w=2
>  (For unknown reason archiving service of CURRENT ML does'nt seem to
>  work. :-( )
>  I'm not subscribed to questions@ so please CC to me.

Hi Pyun

Thanks for the information and your contribution. I will test the
driver next weekend.

kind regards
Sven
From andrewberry at sentex.net  Mon Nov  3 08:25:04 2008
From: andrewberry at sentex.net (Andrew Berry)
Date: Mon Nov  3 08:25:10 2008
Subject: MySQL not restarted after portupgrade
In-Reply-To: <20081103061618.GA99308@darklight.homeunix.org>
References: <513F7DF0-642B-4D58-B533-A49FEBD2E2AF@sentex.net>
	<20081103061618.GA99308@darklight.homeunix.org>
Message-ID: <B3E12D2D-9BBD-4034-943D-74E036F4492F@sentex.net>

On 3-Nov-08, at 1:16 AM, Yuri Pankov wrote:

> Apache and Courier IMAP are just not stopped during deinstall stage
> (IIRC). You can use AFTERINSTALL in /usr/local/etc/pkgtools.conf to
> start MySQL after upgrade.

Thanks! There's even an example using mysql-server in the file. My  
AFTERINSTALL is now:

  AFTERINSTALL = {
    # Re-enable the X wrapper
    'x11-servers/XFree86-4-Server' => sprintf(
     'cd %s/bin && if [ -x Xwrapper-4 ]; then ln -sf Xwrapper-4 X; fi',
     x11base()),

     # Automatically start MySQL server
     'databases/mysql51-server' => proc { |origin|
       cmd_enable_rc(origin) + ';' + cmd_start_rc(origin)
     },
  }

--Andrew
From tabthorpe at freebsd.org  Mon Nov  3 08:38:41 2008
From: tabthorpe at freebsd.org (Thomas Abthorpe)
Date: Mon Nov  3 08:38:48 2008
Subject: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
In-Reply-To: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBOEGOCMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>
References: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBOEGOCMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>
Message-ID: <200811031138.38016.tabthorpe@freebsd.org>

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On November 2, 2008 08:01:38 pm FBSD1 wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Chad Perrin
> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 12:40 PM
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
>
>
> Ok now that you have all let off steam about the off topic of desktop
> verses ms/windows lets return the meaning of the  original poster.
>
>
> 	I spent this weekend playing with kde4 as root and had problems with it
> not working.
> 	Could not change the displayed time to from 20.00.00 to 8:00PM
> When I changed the resolution from the default to 800x600 and the refresh
> rate to 60.0 many of the applications did not auto fit to the new setting
> and the change would not carry over between logons.
> Some times the desktop just froze up and had to do alt-ctrl-backspace to
> force return to command line.
> When I changed the font type and size to use, the change would not carry
> over between logons.
> Could not find a way to remove items from the menu.
> Some icons would not display at all.
> Koffice was missing.
> Not all the application use the new window format which has the option to
> return to menu that launched it. Only has x out to return to desktop
> screen.
>
> Bottom line is imho kde4 is not stable, is not ready for general use. Needs
> more development and testing. Should only be contained in the development
> ports category.
>
>

I submit to the court of pulic opinion that KDE4 *IS* stable on FreeBSD. I 
would encourage you to check out the following resources

http://freebsd.kde.org
http://wiki.freebsd.org/KDE4

Certainly, if my word is not good enough, the nice folks over at PC-BSD, 
http://www.pcbsd.org, sure have bundled up a nice package based on FreeBSD 7 
and KDE4.


Thomas


- -- 
Thomas Abthorpe		| FreeBSD Committer
tabthorpe@FreeBSD.org	| http://people.freebsd.org/~tabthorpe
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From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl  Mon Nov  3 08:42:24 2008
From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar)
Date: Mon Nov  3 08:42:31 2008
Subject: raid tool
In-Reply-To: <490F0881.2030809@gmail.com>
References: <490F0881.2030809@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081103174146.J10405@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>

> New to BSD, Using FreeBSD 7.
> I need to build a test fileserver,  but I want it to use Raid 5. Googling 
> says I must use vinum.

there is geom_raid5 available but not integrated with FreeBSD

google,download,compile,use

>
> Looking in the ports I see its not available. The links / sites google 
> suggests were moderately old, so my question is, whats the tool for raid?
>
> TIA
>
> Regards
> Brent Clark
> _______________________________________________
> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
>
>
From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl  Mon Nov  3 08:43:22 2008
From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar)
Date: Mon Nov  3 08:43:29 2008
Subject: raid tool
In-Reply-To: <200811031009.15922.lists@jnielsen.net>
References: <490F0881.2030809@gmail.com>
	<200811031009.15922.lists@jnielsen.net>
Message-ID: <20081103174229.T10405@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>

> If you replace "raid5" with "redundancy and n-1 capacity" then you could
> also look at geom_raid3, which is much simpler to configure than gvinum

and slower with random reads.

if he needs it for large files, then it's excellent.

> and also part of the base system. Additionally, FreeBSD 7.x has
> experimental support for ZFS (again in the base system and not in ports).
> That includes raidz, which is designed to have all of the good features
> of raid5 and none of the bad.

it gives performance of raid3 rather than raid5.
From jerrymc at msu.edu  Mon Nov  3 08:56:01 2008
From: jerrymc at msu.edu (Jerry McAllister)
Date: Mon Nov  3 08:56:08 2008
Subject: Question: the stable edition of Freebsd
In-Reply-To: <FC85C61A1AD74640B71DCDEC505755D8@inb>
References: <FC85C61A1AD74640B71DCDEC505755D8@inb>
Message-ID: <20081103165237.GC30359@gizmo.acns.msu.edu>

On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 10:01:21PM +0800, Alex Zhang wrote:

> Dear Support:
>  
> I'm a newcomer and want to install FreeBSD for study. Could you pls let me
> know which the stable edition of FreeBSD now? 
> 
> And let me know how to subscribe the Q&A list that I prefer.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 

All of this is well documented on the FreeBSD website (www.freebsd.org)

For informatino on the mailing lists, go to:
  http://www.freebsd.org/community/mailinglists.html
or
  http://lists.FreeBSD.org/mailman/listinfo 
and look around.

The version setup in FreeBSD can be a little confusing for newcomers
because the terms stable and current are used in very specific ways - 
formally defined rather than in the more loose general conversation
way we often use them.

Current is the bleeding edge of development work - nothing is guaranteed
and stable is the development branch that is actually intended to eventually
become the next new version -- rather than current being the official 
present version out or stable being the most reliable version as one might 
guess from just the words before studying the documentation..
Check this part of the handbook:
 http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/current-stable.html

If you are a FreeBSD beginning, what you want is a RELEASE version.
The latest at the moment are 6.3 and 7.0    In the present form of
the web page, the latest RELEASEs plus the next two are listed right
there on the first page.

Other information on upcoming releases can be found on the Release
Engineering page:
                   http://www.freebsd.org/releng/index.html

By the way, "releng" stands for Release Engineering here and when
you track a version for security updates you track a RELENG version.

So, if you installed FreeBSD 7.1, then in your csupfile you would put:

  *default tag=RELENG_7_1

That would get you the security updates for FreeBSD 7.1

If you wanted to jump up to stable you would put:

  *default tag=RELENG_7

and that would be the stable version of the FreeBSD 7 branch.
But, the funny thing about it is that the STABLE line is not mean
that it is actually stable.   They try to assure that it compiles
and builds.   And, usually it is pretty good.   But it hasn't gone
through all the official builds and been run against all the known
problem sets as has a RELEASE when it is 'released'.

So, for now, just install a RELEASE - probably 7.1 if you can wait
or 7.0 right now and track the security fixes by csup-ing to RELENG_7_1
or RELENG_7_0

Have fun,

////jerry    
   

////jerry
>  
> 
> BR
> 
> Alex 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
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From scrappy at hub.org  Mon Nov  3 08:59:51 2008
From: scrappy at hub.org (Marc G. Fournier)
Date: Mon Nov  3 08:59:59 2008
Subject: copying 'holey' files ...
Message-ID: <F051A44CEADE0E79AEA7654E@ganymede.hub.org>

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I have a disk img for qemu that is 4G, but disk usage is only 650M ... due to 
how the image is created, it will grow to 4G, but only uses as much as it needs 
... but, if I run a simple 'cp' on the file, it goes from:

image: debian.img
file format: raw
virtual size: 4.0G (4294967296 bytes)
disk size: 652M

to:

image: dtc.img
file format: raw
virtual size: 4.0G (4294967296 bytes)
disk size: 4.0G

Is there a way of moving things around such that it *maintains* the holes, 
instead of fills them in?

Thx


- -- 
Marc G. Fournier        Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. (http://www.hub.org)
Email . scrappy@hub.org                              MSN . scrappy@hub.org
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From datahead4 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 09:04:23 2008
From: datahead4 at gmail.com (Matt)
Date: Mon Nov  3 09:04:31 2008
Subject: copying 'holey' files ...
In-Reply-To: <F051A44CEADE0E79AEA7654E@ganymede.hub.org>
References: <F051A44CEADE0E79AEA7654E@ganymede.hub.org>
Message-ID: <cd6b4a5b0811030904r77f1e664jd89bdb1b7400c4c9@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org> wrote:
>
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>
> I have a disk img for qemu that is 4G, but disk usage is only 650M ... due to
> how the image is created, it will grow to 4G, but only uses as much as it needs
> ... but, if I run a simple 'cp' on the file, it goes from:
>
> image: debian.img
> file format: raw
> virtual size: 4.0G (4294967296 bytes)
> disk size: 652M
>
> to:
>
> image: dtc.img
> file format: raw
> virtual size: 4.0G (4294967296 bytes)
> disk size: 4.0G
>
> Is there a way of moving things around such that it *maintains* the holes,
> instead of fills them in?
>
The "qemu-img" program using the "convert" command should do what you
want it to.  I've used it to make copies of qcow-format disks without
having them grow to their max-size.

Matt
From freebsd-listen at fabiankeil.de  Mon Nov  3 09:12:22 2008
From: freebsd-listen at fabiankeil.de (Fabian Keil)
Date: Mon Nov  3 09:12:31 2008
Subject: copying 'holey' files ...
In-Reply-To: <F051A44CEADE0E79AEA7654E@ganymede.hub.org>
References: <F051A44CEADE0E79AEA7654E@ganymede.hub.org>
Message-ID: <20081103181214.1adafa2b@fabiankeil.de>

"Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@hub.org> wrote:

> I have a disk img for qemu that is 4G, but disk usage is only 650M ... due to 
> how the image is created, it will grow to 4G, but only uses as much as it needs 
> ... but, if I run a simple 'cp' on the file, it goes from:
> 
> image: debian.img
> file format: raw
> virtual size: 4.0G (4294967296 bytes)
> disk size: 652M
> 
> to:
> 
> image: dtc.img
> file format: raw
> virtual size: 4.0G (4294967296 bytes)
> disk size: 4.0G
> 
> Is there a way of moving things around such that it *maintains* the holes, 
> instead of fills them in?

Quoting dd(1):

| conv=value[,value ...]
|          Where value is one of the symbols from the following list.
[...]
|          sparse   If one or more output blocks would consist solely of
|                   NUL bytes, try to seek the output file by the required
|                   space instead of filling them with NULs, resulting in a
|                   sparse file.

I haven't actually tested it with qemu images, though.

Fabian
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From scrappy at hub.org  Mon Nov  3 09:12:33 2008
From: scrappy at hub.org (Marc G. Fournier)
Date: Mon Nov  3 09:12:40 2008
Subject: copying 'holey' files ...
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Sweet, never even thought about doing that ... thank you ...

- --On Monday, November 03, 2008 11:04:22 -0600 Matt <datahead4@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org> wrote:
>>
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>> I have a disk img for qemu that is 4G, but disk usage is only 650M ... due to
>> how the image is created, it will grow to 4G, but only uses as much as it
>> needs ... but, if I run a simple 'cp' on the file, it goes from:
>>
>> image: debian.img
>> file format: raw
>> virtual size: 4.0G (4294967296 bytes)
>> disk size: 652M
>>
>> to:
>>
>> image: dtc.img
>> file format: raw
>> virtual size: 4.0G (4294967296 bytes)
>> disk size: 4.0G
>>
>> Is there a way of moving things around such that it *maintains* the holes,
>> instead of fills them in?
>>
> The "qemu-img" program using the "convert" command should do what you
> want it to.  I've used it to make copies of qcow-format disks without
> having them grow to their max-size.
>
> Matt



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From gesbbb at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  3 09:22:57 2008
From: gesbbb at yahoo.com (Jerry)
Date: Mon Nov  3 09:23:03 2008
Subject: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
In-Reply-To: <200811031138.38016.tabthorpe@freebsd.org>
References: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBOEGOCMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>
	<200811031138.38016.tabthorpe@freebsd.org>
Message-ID: <20081103122252.7ddc097c@scorpio>

On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 12:38:30 -0400
Thomas Abthorpe <tabthorpe@freebsd.org> wrote:

>I submit to the court of pulic opinion that KDE4 *IS* stable on
>FreeBSD. I would encourage you to check out the following resources

Stable != Usable

-- 
Jerry
gesbbb@yahoo.com

My own business always bores me to death; I prefer other people's.

	Oscar Wilde
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From mark at msen.com  Mon Nov  3 09:35:56 2008
From: mark at msen.com (Mark Moellering)
Date: Mon Nov  3 09:36:04 2008
Subject: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
In-Reply-To: <200811031138.38016.tabthorpe@freebsd.org>
References: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBOEGOCMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>
	<200811031138.38016.tabthorpe@freebsd.org>
Message-ID: <490F3016.1020103@msen.com>

Thomas Abthorpe wrote:
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> On November 2, 2008 08:01:38 pm FBSD1 wrote:
>   
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
>> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Chad Perrin
>> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 12:40 PM
>> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
>> Subject: Re: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
>>
>>
>> Ok now that you have all let off steam about the off topic of desktop
>> verses ms/windows lets return the meaning of the  original poster.
>>
>>
>> 	I spent this weekend playing with kde4 as root and had problems with it
>> not working.
>> 	Could not change the displayed time to from 20.00.00 to 8:00PM
>> When I changed the resolution from the default to 800x600 and the refresh
>> rate to 60.0 many of the applications did not auto fit to the new setting
>> and the change would not carry over between logons.
>> Some times the desktop just froze up and had to do alt-ctrl-backspace to
>> force return to command line.
>> When I changed the font type and size to use, the change would not carry
>> over between logons.
>> Could not find a way to remove items from the menu.
>> Some icons would not display at all.
>> Koffice was missing.
>> Not all the application use the new window format which has the option to
>> return to menu that launched it. Only has x out to return to desktop
>> screen.
>>
>> Bottom line is imho kde4 is not stable, is not ready for general use. Needs
>> more development and testing. Should only be contained in the development
>> ports category.
>>
>>
>>     
>
> I submit to the court of pulic opinion that KDE4 *IS* stable on FreeBSD. I 
> would encourage you to check out the following resources
>
> http://freebsd.kde.org
> http://wiki.freebsd.org/KDE4
>
> Certainly, if my word is not good enough, the nice folks over at PC-BSD, 
> http://www.pcbsd.org, sure have bundled up a nice package based on FreeBSD 7 
> and KDE4.
>
>
> Thomas
>
>   
I have used KDE-4   While some of the graphics are much better looking, 
I thought it lacked some functionality.  These are minor issues but 
several of the old (KDE 3.5.X) control panel options were not available 
(or I couldn't find them) and figuring out where to set certain options 
was not that intuitive for me.  I never found a central location for 
settings, it seemed that each control (menu, taskbar, etc) had it's own 
'right click' sort of settings page.
The small thing that truly bugged me is that I normally only display 
programs for the current desktop in the taskbar, but there was a small 
control that you could select that would display all windows on all 
desktops (I forget its official name).  I used it alot to make sure I 
didn't forget something running, etc.  I couldn't find this taskbar 
control in KDE 4.
The other problems I had dealt with thrid-party programs.  There is no 
(at least as of a few months ago) K3B for KDE-4 and no FreeBSD port of 
Ktorrent for KDE-4.  I tried the linux port but had lots of problems.
Also, to start you need to give an explicit path, something like 
/usr/local/kde-4/bin/startkde in the .xinitrc file.  (at least I could 
never get anything else to work)
I ultimately changed back to the 3.5.9(?) version from packages.  I am 
using an intel quad core running amd64 FreeBSD 7.0 Release

Hope this helps.

Mark Moellering

From mdh_lists at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  3 09:44:56 2008
From: mdh_lists at yahoo.com (mdh)
Date: Mon Nov  3 09:45:02 2008
Subject: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
In-Reply-To: <490F3016.1020103@msen.com>
Message-ID: <826235.30834.qm@web56807.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Mark Moellering <mark@msen.com> wrote:
> From: Mark Moellering <mark@msen.com>
> Subject: Re: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 12:08 PM
>
> The other problems I had dealt with thrid-party programs. 
> There is no (at least as of a few months ago) K3B for KDE-4
> and no FreeBSD port of Ktorrent for KDE-4.  I tried the
> linux port but had lots of problems.
> Also, to start you need to give an explicit path, something
> like /usr/local/kde-4/bin/startkde in the .xinitrc file. 
> (at least I could never get anything else to work)
> I ultimately changed back to the 3.5.9(?) version from
> packages.  I am using an intel quad core running amd64
> FreeBSD 7.0 Release

The standard ports for ktorrent and k3b work just fine.  They use the KDE3 libraries, but there's nothing to stop them from running great under a KDE4 desktop.  I use them both regularly with KDE4 as my desktop.  In order for them to use the KDE4 libraries, the authors of those applications will have to come up with new versions for KDE4.  That has nothing to do with FreeBSD.  

I also use a lot of GTK based applications as well, and these run on a KDE desktop as well.  The X UI library used by an application does not matter to the desktop environment/wm application except that you may get a little more integration given certain combinations in terms of them pulling theming data from the same sources, etc.  

- mdh



      
From fbsd.questions at rachie.is-a-geek.net  Mon Nov  3 09:56:44 2008
From: fbsd.questions at rachie.is-a-geek.net (Mel)
Date: Mon Nov  3 09:56:50 2008
Subject: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
In-Reply-To: <490F3016.1020103@msen.com>
References: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBOEGOCMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>
	<200811031138.38016.tabthorpe@freebsd.org>
	<490F3016.1020103@msen.com>
Message-ID: <200811031856.42156.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net>

On Monday 03 November 2008 18:08:38 Mark Moellering wrote:

> The other problems I had dealt with thrid-party programs.  There is no
> (at least as of a few months ago) K3B for KDE-4 and no FreeBSD port of
> Ktorrent for KDE-4.  I tried the linux port but had lots of problems.
> I ultimately changed back to the 3.5.9(?) version from packages.  I am
> using an intel quad core running amd64 FreeBSD 7.0 Release

We had a similar experience and for this reason patched the kernel, using 
instructions found here:
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-jail/2008-March/000217.html

Then have set up a jail with an updated kde-4 installed there. Every once in a 
while, we copy over the home dirs and run the jailed version, so that configs 
on the host system are untouched, but we still get a full experience test.

> Also, to start you need to give an explicit path, something like
> /usr/local/kde-4/bin/startkde in the .xinitrc file.  (at least I could
> never get anything else to work)

This is easily worked around by adding /usr/local/kde4/bin 
and /usr/local/kde4/sbin to your PATH in .profile, /etc/profile 
or /etc/login.conf.

Lastly another annoyance is having to click the app menu for it to move to the 
next category, but I'm sure that's configurable somewhere (I hope).
-- 
Mel

Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules
    and never get to the software part.
From fbsd06 at mlists.homeunix.com  Mon Nov  3 10:33:41 2008
From: fbsd06 at mlists.homeunix.com (RW)
Date: Mon Nov  3 10:33:48 2008
Subject: MySQL not restarted after portupgrade
In-Reply-To: <20081103062153.GA12804@icarus.home.lan>
References: <513F7DF0-642B-4D58-B533-A49FEBD2E2AF@sentex.net>
	<20081103062153.GA12804@icarus.home.lan>
Message-ID: <20081103181713.1c251963@gumby.homeunix.com>

On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 22:21:53 -0800
Jeremy Chadwick <koitsu@FreeBSD.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 12:52:53AM -0500, Andrew Berry wrote:
> > For some reason, after running portupgrade
> > databases/mysql51-server, MySQL is brought down, but not restarted.
> > It's not a huge issue, as I just have to remember to run the rc.d
> > script after upgrading, but I was wondering if anyone else had seen
> > this? portupgrade seems to work fine with other daemons such as
> > Apache and Courier IMAP.
> 
> This is a per-port thing, unless portupgrade provides some form of
> rc.subr script restarting itself.  There is no "standard" for this.

You can setup BEFOREDEINSTALL and/or AFTERINSTALL in
pkgtools.conf to run rc.d scripts per port.

Portmanager has a similar feature.
From spap13 at googlemail.com  Mon Nov  3 10:51:58 2008
From: spap13 at googlemail.com (Spiros Papadopoulos)
Date: Mon Nov  3 10:55:33 2008
Subject: Java and FreeBSD
Message-ID: <dab71e150811031026w5d6872f2gf46937e923ba5a62@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

It is now more than eight months that i am not able to use FreeBSD. FreeBSD

version 6.1 was the last.

Back then trying to work with Eclipse and java on FreeBSD was quite tricky.

Can anyone please tell me what the current status is? For example can i use

ports to install everything and start working with Eclipse straight away...?
Or

is Linux a better option?

What versions of FreeBSD and Eclipse would you recommend? Please feel free

to provide with as much information as you want.

Thanks in advance
Spiros P.
From stupendoussteve at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  3 10:53:55 2008
From: stupendoussteve at hotmail.com (Steven Susbauer)
Date: Mon Nov  3 10:55:33 2008
Subject: Question: the stable edition of Freebsd
Message-ID: <BAY122-F395345B2D0AA448DE9B812BA1D0@phx.gbl>

Jerry McAllister wrote:
>On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 10:01:21PM +0800, Alex Zhang wrote:
>
>>Dear Support:
>>  I'm a newcomer and want to install FreeBSD for study. Could you pls let 
>>me
>>know which the stable edition of FreeBSD now?
>>
>>And let me know how to subscribe the Q&A list that I prefer.
>>
>>Thanks in advance.
>>
>
>All of this is well documented on the FreeBSD website (www.freebsd.org)
>
>For informatino on the mailing lists, go to:
>   http://www.freebsd.org/community/mailinglists.html
>or
>   http://lists.FreeBSD.org/mailman/listinfo and look around.
>
>The version setup in FreeBSD can be a little confusing for newcomers
>because the terms stable and current are used in very specific ways - 
>formally defined rather than in the more loose general conversation
>way we often use them.
>
>Current is the bleeding edge of development work - nothing is guaranteed
>and stable is the development branch that is actually intended to 
>eventually
>become the next new version -- rather than current being the official 
>present version out or stable being the most reliable version as one might 
>guess from just the words before studying the documentation..
>Check this part of the handbook:
>  
>http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/current-stable.html
>
>If you are a FreeBSD beginning, what you want is a RELEASE version.
>The latest at the moment are 6.3 and 7.0    In the present form of
>the web page, the latest RELEASEs plus the next two are listed right
>there on the first page.
>
>Other information on upcoming releases can be found on the Release
>Engineering page:
>                    http://www.freebsd.org/releng/index.html
>
>By the way, "releng" stands for Release Engineering here and when
>you track a version for security updates you track a RELENG version.
>
>So, if you installed FreeBSD 7.1, then in your csupfile you would put:
>
>   *default tag=RELENG_7_1
>
>That would get you the security updates for FreeBSD 7.1
>
>If you wanted to jump up to stable you would put:
>
>   *default tag=RELENG_7
>
>and that would be the stable version of the FreeBSD 7 branch.
>But, the funny thing about it is that the STABLE line is not mean
>that it is actually stable.   They try to assure that it compiles
>and builds.   And, usually it is pretty good.   But it hasn't gone
>through all the official builds and been run against all the known
>problem sets as has a RELEASE when it is 'released'.
>
>So, for now, just install a RELEASE - probably 7.1 if you can wait
>or 7.0 right now and track the security fixes by csup-ing to RELENG_7_1
>or RELENG_7_0
>
>Have fun,
>
>////jerry
If using a release, can he not use freebsd-update to keep current on
fixes rather than rebuilding everything? On a slow system, the more
binary the better.

  -Steve


From stupendoussteve at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  3 10:57:15 2008
From: stupendoussteve at hotmail.com (Steven Susbauer)
Date: Mon Nov  3 10:57:23 2008
Subject: updating from 6.3 to 7, mirror problems
Message-ID: <BAY122-F397C3CA50D55B63B82D722BA1D0@phx.gbl>

(-K JohnNy wrote:
>>Ok I see. How do I update from 6.3 STABLE to 7.0 STABLE ? I imagine there
>>is a tool for that? Short of down loading the iso files and doing it from
>>discs.
>
>Don't know if there is a tool for this, but the usual way is to make a
>RELENG-7 supfile, csup the 7-STABLE sources  and build them. More on
>this subject in the handbook.
>http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cutting-edge.html
>
>>Thanks for your patience!!
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Alasdair
This is correct. The tool freebsd-update may be used to update between
releases (and release candidates) with binaries, but not between the
development trees.

   -Steve


From freebsd at edvax.de  Mon Nov  3 11:12:21 2008
From: freebsd at edvax.de (Polytropon)
Date: Mon Nov  3 11:12:28 2008
Subject: Question: the stable edition of Freebsd
In-Reply-To: <BAY122-F395345B2D0AA448DE9B812BA1D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY122-F395345B2D0AA448DE9B812BA1D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20081103201217.4c78a822.freebsd@edvax.de>

On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 12:53:52 -0600, "Steven Susbauer" <stupendoussteve@hotmail.com> wrote:
> If using a release, can he not use freebsd-update to keep current on
> fixes rather than rebuilding everything? On a slow system, the more
> binary the better.

Of course he can, I mean, that's what freebsd-update is intended for.
At least, it's very useful if you want to follow the RELEASE path
and only install the various security patches, so you don't have
7-STABLE, but, for example, 7.1-RELEASE-p5. This is a situation
you will usually find on servers.



-- 
Polytropon
>From Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
From mdh_lists at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  3 11:28:12 2008
From: mdh_lists at yahoo.com (mdh)
Date: Mon Nov  3 11:28:19 2008
Subject: Java and FreeBSD
In-Reply-To: <dab71e150811031026w5d6872f2gf46937e923ba5a62@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <410306.67693.qm@web56805.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Spiros Papadopoulos <spap13@googlemail.com> wrote:
> From: Spiros Papadopoulos <spap13@googlemail.com>
> Subject: Java and FreeBSD
> To: "freebsd mailing list" <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 1:26 PM
> Hi,
> 
> It is now more than eight months that i am not able to use
> FreeBSD. FreeBSD
> 
> version 6.1 was the last.
> 
> Back then trying to work with Eclipse and java on FreeBSD
> was quite tricky.
> 
> Can anyone please tell me what the current status is? For
> example can i use
> 
> ports to install everything and start working with Eclipse
> straight away...?
> Or
> 
> is Linux a better option?
> 
> What versions of FreeBSD and Eclipse would you recommend?
> Please feel free
> 
> to provide with as much information as you want.

My advice is to install the following ports in the following order:  

java/jdk16
java/eclipse-devel

eclipse-devel worked much better for me than did java/eclipse.  I also had trouble without getting jdk16 installed first.  It's been a while now, so I'm not exactly sure what all, but I think if you install those ports in that order, Eclipse will work for you.  You may also want to make a symlink from /usr/local/eclipse to /usr/local/eclipse-devel - this allows the Eclipse plugin ports to install properly.  Without it, they will not.  I've got several (Perl, Ruby, and a couple of others) installed from ports against eclipse-devel and they work fine once that symlink is in place.  

- mdh



      
From freebsd at optiksecurite.com  Mon Nov  3 11:29:38 2008
From: freebsd at optiksecurite.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Francis_Dub=E9?=)
Date: Mon Nov  3 11:29:46 2008
Subject: Images-only webserver, lighttpd vs NginX
Message-ID: <490F50F2.5050706@optiksecurite.com>

Hi everyone,

I posted last week about my webserver hitting the kernel's max process 
allowed (error : "collecting pv entries -- suggest increasing 
PMAP_SHPGPERPROC").

As a part of the solution, I decided to build a jail with a light 
webserver dedicated to images requests, the biggest part of the requests 
the server have to process. Most of the websites hosted on the server 
have approximately 200 small images with a size between 1k and 32k each. 
I'm currently hesitating between NginX and lighttpd, which both seems to 
offer similar benchmarks for this job. The questions :

Is someone doing something similar to this with one of the two ?
Which one do you suggest and why ?
I've read about a memory leak in lighttpd, is anyone is having issues 
with this under FreeBSD ?

Any ideas regarding our situation is appreciated,

Thanks !


Francis Dube
R & D
Optik Securite
www.optiksecurite.com
From jerrymc at msu.edu  Mon Nov  3 11:41:54 2008
From: jerrymc at msu.edu (Jerry McAllister)
Date: Mon Nov  3 11:42:01 2008
Subject: Question: the stable edition of Freebsd
In-Reply-To: <BAY122-F395345B2D0AA448DE9B812BA1D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY122-F395345B2D0AA448DE9B812BA1D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20081103193830.GB31025@gizmo.acns.msu.edu>

On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 12:53:52PM -0600, Steven Susbauer wrote:

> Jerry McAllister wrote:
> >On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 10:01:21PM +0800, Alex Zhang wrote:
> >
> >>Dear Support:
> >> I'm a newcomer and want to install FreeBSD for study. Could you pls let 
> >>me
> >>know which the stable edition of FreeBSD now?
> >>
> >>And let me know how to subscribe the Q&A list that I prefer.
> >>
> >>Thanks in advance.
> >>
> >
> >All of this is well documented on the FreeBSD website (www.freebsd.org)
> >
> >For informatino on the mailing lists, go to:
> >  http://www.freebsd.org/community/mailinglists.html
> >or
> >  http://lists.FreeBSD.org/mailman/listinfo and look around.
> >
> >The version setup in FreeBSD can be a little confusing for newcomers
> >because the terms stable and current are used in very specific ways - 
> >formally defined rather than in the more loose general conversation
> >way we often use them.
> >
> >Current is the bleeding edge of development work - nothing is guaranteed
> >and stable is the development branch that is actually intended to 
> >eventually
> >become the next new version -- rather than current being the official 
> >present version out or stable being the most reliable version as one might 
> >guess from just the words before studying the documentation..
> >Check this part of the handbook:
> > 
> >http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/current-stable.html
> >
> >If you are a FreeBSD beginning, what you want is a RELEASE version.
> >The latest at the moment are 6.3 and 7.0    In the present form of
> >the web page, the latest RELEASEs plus the next two are listed right
> >there on the first page.
> >
> >Other information on upcoming releases can be found on the Release
> >Engineering page:
> >                   http://www.freebsd.org/releng/index.html
> >
> >By the way, "releng" stands for Release Engineering here and when
> >you track a version for security updates you track a RELENG version.
> >
> >So, if you installed FreeBSD 7.1, then in your csupfile you would put:
> >
> >  *default tag=RELENG_7_1
> >
> >That would get you the security updates for FreeBSD 7.1
> >
> >If you wanted to jump up to stable you would put:
> >
> >  *default tag=RELENG_7
> >
> >and that would be the stable version of the FreeBSD 7 branch.
> >But, the funny thing about it is that the STABLE line is not mean
> >that it is actually stable.   They try to assure that it compiles
> >and builds.   And, usually it is pretty good.   But it hasn't gone
> >through all the official builds and been run against all the known
> >problem sets as has a RELEASE when it is 'released'.
> >
> >So, for now, just install a RELEASE - probably 7.1 if you can wait
> >or 7.0 right now and track the security fixes by csup-ing to RELENG_7_1
> >or RELENG_7_0
> >
> >Have fun,
> >
> >////jerry
> If using a release, can he not use freebsd-update to keep current on
> fixes rather than rebuilding everything? On a slow system, the more
> binary the better.

As far as I know.

But, somehow I feel cleaner doing the whole thing.
I haven't found the builds to take all that long.   This system
is not blindingly fast but, I suppose there are others that are
much slower.

////jerry

> 
>  -Steve
> 
> 
From kline at thought.org  Mon Nov  3 11:47:28 2008
From: kline at thought.org (Gary Kline)
Date: Mon Nov  3 11:47:34 2008
Subject: Bizarre:: blank screen [on KVM] refuses to come back...
Message-ID: <20081103194718.GA35402@thought.org>


	A couple of things may be related to this behavior. When I have
	left my keyboard for more than a few hours, FreeBSD with X11
	running KDE3 remains blanck/blank.  No amount of moving my
	mouse of tapping keys will bring back the display.  (I'm writing 
	this ssh'd in my via Ubuntu [KDE?].)

	I noticed--via top--that the system was loaded at above 2.00 
	while otherwise "idle"; I've killed off a bunch of processes but
	cannot get the load below 1.00.   I'm running 7.0, on a
	Dell-8200, 1G RAM.  

	So:  any suggestions how to get my screen back? Has anybody seen
	this before?  Why the heavy load:: any ideas?  And, is there any
	way I can turn off screen blanking *completely*?  I almost always
	turn off the display anyway if I'm gone for > 15-20 minutes.

	thanks for any clues.  i hate to keep rebooting. ...

	gary


-- 
 Gary Kline  kline@thought.org  http://www.thought.org  Public Service Unix
        http://jottings.thought.org   http://transfinite.thought.org


From m.seaman at infracaninophile.co.uk  Mon Nov  3 12:00:17 2008
From: m.seaman at infracaninophile.co.uk (Matthew Seaman)
Date: Mon Nov  3 12:00:26 2008
Subject: Images-only webserver, lighttpd vs NginX
In-Reply-To: <490F50F2.5050706@optiksecurite.com>
References: <490F50F2.5050706@optiksecurite.com>
Message-ID: <490F583C.6040806@infracaninophile.co.uk>

Francis Dub? wrote:

> As a part of the solution, I decided to build a jail with a light 
> webserver dedicated to images requests, the biggest part of the requests 
> the server have to process. Most of the websites hosted on the server 
> have approximately 200 small images with a size between 1k and 32k each. 
> I'm currently hesitating between NginX and lighttpd, which both seems to 
> offer similar benchmarks for this job. The questions :
> 
> Is someone doing something similar to this with one of the two ?

I've had very good results with nginx for doing this sort of thing.

> Which one do you suggest and why ?

I originally chose nginx because it did what I wanted and it didn't conflict with Apache (ie. by installinga binary called 'httpd') on the 
same machine.  However I wasn't aware of lighttpd at that point.  By 
the time I did find out about lighttpd, there was no compelling reason 
to change from nginx.

I think you'll find either is adequate to your needs.  Unless you're
trying to squeeze the absolute last drop of performance out of your 
hardware, consider other things than raw speed.  Do you find the 
configuration files easy to understand and deal with?  Can you strip 
down the server to the absolute minimum necessary to serve your needs, 
and if so which of the two is smaller?  Which server name do you find 
easier to type?

> I've read about a memory leak in lighttpd, is anyone is having issues 
> with this under FreeBSD ?

Hmmmm... That would disqualify it from serious contention straight 
away.  But http://www.lighttpd.net/security/lighttpd_sa_2008_07.txt
shows the memleak bug fixed in the latest version 1.4.20, which is
in ports.

Haven't had any stability problems ever with nginx.

> Any ideas regarding our situation is appreciated,

I think either of these packages will probably serve you well.  If
you really can't choose between them, then toss a coin.  

	Cheers,

	Matthew

-- 
Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil.                   7 Priory Courtyard
                                                  Flat 3
PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey     Ramsgate
                                                  Kent, CT11 9PW

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From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl  Mon Nov  3 12:27:36 2008
From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar)
Date: Mon Nov  3 12:27:43 2008
Subject: copying 'holey' files ...
In-Reply-To: <F051A44CEADE0E79AEA7654E@ganymede.hub.org>
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Message-ID: <20081103212713.M12114@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>

>
> I have a disk img for qemu that is 4G, but disk usage is only 650M ... due to
> how the image is created, it will grow to 4G, but only uses as much as it needs
> ... but, if I run a simple 'cp' on the file, it goes from:

tar have options for that

>
> image: debian.img
> file format: raw
> virtual size: 4.0G (4294967296 bytes)
> disk size: 652M
>
> to:
>
> image: dtc.img
> file format: raw
> virtual size: 4.0G (4294967296 bytes)
> disk size: 4.0G
>
> Is there a way of moving things around such that it *maintains* the holes,
> instead of fills them in?
>
> Thx
>
>
> - --
> Marc G. Fournier        Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. (http://www.hub.org)
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From pprocacci at datapipe.com  Mon Nov  3 12:48:54 2008
From: pprocacci at datapipe.com (Paul A. Procacci)
Date: Mon Nov  3 12:49:00 2008
Subject: Images-only webserver, lighttpd vs NginX
In-Reply-To: <490F50F2.5050706@optiksecurite.com>
References: <490F50F2.5050706@optiksecurite.com>
Message-ID: <490F63A0.3000002@datapipe.com>

Francis Dub? wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I posted last week about my webserver hitting the kernel's max process 
> allowed (error : "collecting pv entries -- suggest increasing 
> PMAP_SHPGPERPROC").
>
> As a part of the solution, I decided to build a jail with a light 
> webserver dedicated to images requests, the biggest part of the 
> requests the server have to process. Most of the websites hosted on 
> the server have approximately 200 small images with a size between 1k 
> and 32k each. I'm currently hesitating between NginX and lighttpd, 
> which both seems to offer similar benchmarks for this job. The 
> questions :
>
> Is someone doing something similar to this with one of the two ?
> Which one do you suggest and why ?
> I've read about a memory leak in lighttpd, is anyone is having issues 
> with this under FreeBSD ?
>
> Any ideas regarding our situation is appreciated,
>
> Thanks !
>
>
> Francis Dube
> R & D
> Optik Securite
> www.optiksecurite.com
> _______________________________________________
> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
> To unsubscribe, send any mail to 
> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
They are both good static content servers.  You can easily max out a 
GiGe link using either.  We use lighttpd more extensively than nginx, 
however we do use both.  Quite frankly, it's truthfully up to you.  
Performance wise, they are on par with once another.

~Paul
From pprocacci at datapipe.com  Mon Nov  3 12:55:50 2008
From: pprocacci at datapipe.com (Paul A. Procacci)
Date: Mon Nov  3 12:55:57 2008
Subject: Images-only webserver, lighttpd vs NginX
In-Reply-To: <11167f520811031252i3cb5940cw8e395ecbf1320f15@mail.gmail.com>
References: <490F50F2.5050706@optiksecurite.com>	
	<490F63A0.3000002@datapipe.com>
	<11167f520811031252i3cb5940cw8e395ecbf1320f15@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <490F6541.3010702@datapipe.com>

Sam Fourman Jr. wrote:
>> They are both good static content servers.  You can easily max out a GiGe
>> link using either.  We use lighttpd more extensively than nginx, however we
>> do use both.  Quite frankly, it's truthfully up to you.  Performance wise,
>> they are on par with once another.
>>
>> ~Paul
>>     
> at the risk of being slightly OT
>
> is there a recent toutorial that anyone knows of for lighthttpd on
> FreeBSD 7, I have used Google and
> I can't turn up anything recent
>
> Sam Fourman Jr.
> Fourman Networks
>   
What kind of tutorial are you looking for?  Their documentation is quite 
extensive.

~Paul
From traveling08 at cox.net  Mon Nov  3 13:04:23 2008
From: traveling08 at cox.net (Robert)
Date: Mon Nov  3 13:04:35 2008
Subject: disappearing mouse pointer
In-Reply-To: <4904C0F6.1020306@gmail.com>
References: <20081020103839.369884cf@asus64> <20081025105151.0e689dc6@asus64>
	<4904C0F6.1020306@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081103130418.790b7ee7@asus386>

On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 15:11:50 -0400
Bryant Eadon <bryant.eadon@gmail.com> wrote:

> Robert wrote:
> > On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:38:39 -0700
> > Robert <traveling08@cox.net> wrote:
> > 
> >> Greetings FreeBSD
> >>
> >> When running XFCE4 I will lose the mouse pointer at times. This
> >> will only happen when I have the driver set to "nv" in xorg.conf.
> >> The mouse will still work as I can see where it is when I pass
> >> over icons and watch them highlight. If I can stop on an icon, I
> >> can click and it works.
> >>
> >> If I drop out of the XFCE4 using ctl-alt-backspace, the mouse
> >> pointer appears and all is well. If I restart the XFCE4, there is
> >> no pointer. If I change the driver to "vesa" and restart then I
> >> have a pointer again. The only way I have found to regain the
> >> pointer using "nv" is to reboot.
> >>
> >> All ports are up to date and I am running amd64 RELENG_7 as of last
> >> Saturday.
> >>
> >> uname -a
> >> FreeBSD asus64.shasta204.local 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD
> >> 7.1-PRERELEASE #1: Sat Oct 18 13:31:00 PDT 2008
> >> root@asus64.shasta204.local:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  amd64
> >>
> >> If I should have posted to a different list please let me know. I
> >> have also attached my xorg.conf.
> >>
> >> TIA
> >>
> >> Robert
>  >
>  > Five days and no responses, so maybe more information. On this
>  > computer I have on board GeForce 6100.
>  >
>  > vgapci0@pci0:0:5:0:	class=0x030000 card=0x81bf1043
>  > chip=0x024210de rev=0xa2 hdr=0x00 vendor     = 'Nvidia Corp'
>  >     device     = 'GeForce 6100'
>  >     class      = display
>  >     subclass   = VGA
>  >
>  > I have the same exact release and ports running on a different
>  > computer equipped with a GeForce 6800 XT in an AGP slot without a
>  > problem. The big difference is that other computer is running
>  > i386. It is using "nv" driver without any problems.
>  >
>  > Can anyone point me in the right direction. Feel free to tell me
>  > where to go. :-)
>  >
>  > Thanks
>  > Robert
>  >
> 
> This seems like a very strange problem.  Let's try focusing on XFCE
> first.
> 
> Are any processes conflicting with drawing something on the screen,
> from your description it seems like XFCE is a problem, but do other
> window managers do the same thing ?
> 
> If it's not wm specific then I'd try chasing down the developers of 
> xf86-video-nv . Here is a starting point : 
> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/xf86-video-nv.html
> 
> Does the driver support any sort of 'debug' mode that you could log
> to file ?
> 
> ....
> 
> Taking a walk through xf86-video-nv, it looks like there are a few
> bitshift and & operators that use pointer and move things to and
> fro.  ( in 64-bit land that maybe these moves should be handled
> differently ? Or are these magic numbers? )
> 
> Take a look into the source, nv_cursor.c
> 
> Examining these lines :
>             #if X_BYTE_ORDER == X_BIG_ENDIAN
>              if ( m & 0x80000000)
>                  *dst = ( b & 0x80000000) ? pNv->curFg : pNv->curBg;
>              else
>                  *dst = TRANSPARENT_PIXEL;
> 
> This case draws the pixel transparently if it fails the test -- which
> seems to coincide with what you're seeing.  This is just a wild
> guess, it could be used elsewhere though with the same affect.
> 
> 
> But then again, since this is working at all, then it may point to
> 	1. the wm
> 	2. Xorg may have a problem reporting it to the wm
> 
> Hope it helps.  Report back if you have any progress.
> 
> 
> Later,
> Bryant

I waited to answer so that I could do further testing. 

I first moved .xinitrc out of the way so I would load the default wm,
"twm". It only took a couple of days and I lost the mouse cursor.

I had a spare slice on a separate disk, so I installed the i386 version
of 7 Beta 2 from CD. I updated it to stable and installed most of my
packages, including XFCE4. 

I made the mistake of copying over all of my config files from the
AMD64 version and the problem recurred. I then cleaned all of my
packages with pkg_delete *. I cleaned out my home directory
and /usr/local. I then reinstalled all of the necessary packages. It
took a few says but it happened again. 

I moved my .xinitrc out of the way and was using "twm" since last
Friday. About an hour ago I returned to my computer and the mouse
cursor was missing. 

Evidently, the problem is something to do with my hardware that the
"nv" driver does not like. I guess we can close this out as weird
hardware problems. For the record, here is what I have:

A8N-VM motherboard with 2 Gig of RAM (4x500)
CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ (2009.16-MHz 686-class CPU)
On board video is GeForce 6100
Wireless mouse and keyboard through a PS2 KVM (happened before the kvm
installed)

If anyone needs more information I will be happy to provide it but for
me, I will just live with it.

Thanks

Robert


From dan-freebsd-questions at ourbrains.org  Mon Nov  3 13:11:32 2008
From: dan-freebsd-questions at ourbrains.org (Dan)
Date: Mon Nov  3 13:11:40 2008
Subject: Images-only webserver, lighttpd vs NginX
In-Reply-To: <490F583C.6040806@infracaninophile.co.uk>
References: <490F50F2.5050706@optiksecurite.com>
	<490F583C.6040806@infracaninophile.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20081103204442.GA42571@ourbrains.org>

Matthew Seaman(m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk)@2008.11.03 19:59:56 +0000:
> Francis Dub? wrote:
> 
> >Which one do you suggest and why ?

nginx. Lighttpd has remote security holes once in a while. nginx has
better security design and is more modular and faster. It happens to
also be feature-rich, which is not easy to do in a fast and secure
server. Lighttpd had one recent remote hole as of .18. IIRC nginx had
none.


-- 
"But oftentimes I'm asked: Why? Why do you care what happens outside of
America?"   Washington, D.C., June 26, 2008
From sfourman at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 13:13:36 2008
From: sfourman at gmail.com (Sam Fourman Jr.)
Date: Mon Nov  3 13:13:43 2008
Subject: Images-only webserver, lighttpd vs NginX
In-Reply-To: <490F63A0.3000002@datapipe.com>
References: <490F50F2.5050706@optiksecurite.com>
	<490F63A0.3000002@datapipe.com>
Message-ID: <11167f520811031252i3cb5940cw8e395ecbf1320f15@mail.gmail.com>

> They are both good static content servers.  You can easily max out a GiGe
> link using either.  We use lighttpd more extensively than nginx, however we
> do use both.  Quite frankly, it's truthfully up to you.  Performance wise,
> they are on par with once another.
>
> ~Paul
at the risk of being slightly OT

is there a recent toutorial that anyone knows of for lighthttpd on
FreeBSD 7, I have used Google and
I can't turn up anything recent

Sam Fourman Jr.
Fourman Networks
From scrappy at hub.org  Mon Nov  3 14:34:03 2008
From: scrappy at hub.org (Marc G. Fournier)
Date: Mon Nov  3 14:41:56 2008
Subject: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In
Message-ID: <47BB6151991A555176831AB5@ganymede.hub.org>


As of November 3rd, 2008, the project has hit a new milestone of 25 000+ hosts 
reporting in, with a break down as follows:

           PC-BSD           17 454 hosts
           FreeBSD           5 526 hosts
           DesktopBSD        1 919 hosts
           NetBSD               86 hosts
           MirBSD               21 hosts
           OpenBSD              55 hosts
           DragonFly            26 hosts
           MidnightBSD          26 hosts
           GNU/kFreeBSD          2 hosts

We currently have hosts being reported in from 135 countries, with the top 10
being:

           United States           6 082
           Russian Federation      1 836
           Germany                 1 586
           Australia               1 341
           Ukraine                   997
           France                    930
           Japan                     898
           United Kingdom            791
           Canada                    767
           Brazil                    729

Project URL: http://www.bsdstats.org

Project Objective:

"The mission of this site is to compile semi-accurate numbers for advocacy and
marketing of the *BSD operating systems."


PC-BSD, to the best of our knowledge, is the only one that defaults to enabled, 
while the rest have to be enabled manually.

For FreeBSD users, you just need to install /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats to set 
things up.

If you aren't participating, we very much encourage you to start ... the report 
script is a shell script, so you can scan it to figure out what, exactly, is 
being sent in .. and there is only one level of reporting that is  required, 
and that is Operating System + Version ... Device and Ports reporting are 100% 
optional ...

For those that are participating ... once more, thank you ... and spread the
word, we need more ...


If you have any questions, please feel free to email me ...

-- 
Marc G. Fournier        Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. (http://www.hub.org)
Email . scrappy@hub.org                              MSN . scrappy@hub.org
Yahoo . yscrappy               Skype: hub.org        ICQ . 7615664

From frederic.perrin at resel.fr  Mon Nov  3 14:44:39 2008
From: frederic.perrin at resel.fr (=?utf-8?Q?Fr=C3=A9d=C3=A9ric_Perrin?=)
Date: Mon Nov  3 14:44:46 2008
Subject: Behaviour of su(1)
In-Reply-To: <6F644950-947E-4D7E-85D7-E992E2A80A8D@quinn.com> (Fred Condo's
	message of "Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:27:37 -0700")
References: <86mygklilz.fsf@chameau.maisel.enst-bretagne.fr>
	<6F644950-947E-4D7E-85D7-E992E2A80A8D@quinn.com>
Message-ID: <86abcga0qc.fsf@chameau.maisel.enst-bretagne.fr>

Le Vendredi 31 ? 20:27, Fred Condo a ?crit :
> Use this syntax (both equivalent):
> su - root
> su -l root
>
> You do have to specify the user with -l. Perhaps the man page could
> clarify that.

I read the first line that says "The su utility requests appropriate
user credentials via PAM and switches to that user ID (the default user
is the superuser)" as "'su -' and 'su - root' are equivalent".

su -l root as the expected behaviour (resetting $LOGNAME to $USER),
thanks a lot.

> On Oct 31, 2008, at 11:33 AM, Fr?d?ric Perrin wrote:
>> As a side question, is it considered bad practice to set root's shell
>> and locales to something else than the default ?

-- 
Fred
From fbsd.questions at rachie.is-a-geek.net  Mon Nov  3 15:08:25 2008
From: fbsd.questions at rachie.is-a-geek.net (Mel)
Date: Mon Nov  3 15:08:32 2008
Subject: Behaviour of su(1)
In-Reply-To: <86mygklilz.fsf@chameau.maisel.enst-bretagne.fr>
References: <86mygklilz.fsf@chameau.maisel.enst-bretagne.fr>
Message-ID: <200811040008.23196.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net>

On Friday 31 October 2008 19:33:44 Fr?d?ric Perrin wrote:

> As a side question, is it considered bad practice to set root's shell
> and locales to something else then the default ?

By some (most?) yes. If you decide to change the default shell, to one that's 
not in the base system (i.e., a ksh/zsh/bash port), then it's highly 
recommended to make a static version that installs into /bin.
This will save you a number of headaches, when a library dependency is 
(unsuccessfully or partially) upgraded or /usr is not accessable.
However, when reporting bugs and you only slightly suspect it to be shell 
related, you should be able to reproduce it on csh for the purpose of 
reporting and adjust the bugreport if you can not.

-- 
Mel

Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules
    and never get to the software part.
From kline at thought.org  Mon Nov  3 15:13:35 2008
From: kline at thought.org (Gary Kline)
Date: Mon Nov  3 15:13:42 2008
Subject: Bizarre:: blank screen [on KVM] refuses to come back...
In-Reply-To: <20081103194718.GA35402@thought.org>
References: <20081103194718.GA35402@thought.org>
Message-ID: <20081103231328.GA3956@thought.org>

On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 11:47:22AM -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
> 
> 	A couple of things may be related to this behavior. When I have
> 	left my keyboard for more than a few hours, FreeBSD with X11
> 	running KDE3 remains blanck/blank.  No amount of moving my
> 	mouse of tapping keys will bring back the display.  (I'm writing 
> 	this ssh'd in my via Ubuntu [KDE?].)
> 
> 	I noticed--via top--that the system was loaded at above 2.00 
> 	while otherwise "idle"; I've killed off a bunch of processes but
> 	cannot get the load below 1.00.   I'm running 7.0, on a
> 	Dell-8200, 1G RAM.  
> 
> 	So:  any suggestions how to get my screen back? Has anybody seen
> 	this before?  Why the heavy load:: any ideas?  And, is there any
> 	way I can turn off screen blanking *completely*?  I almost always
> 	turn off the display anyway if I'm gone for > 15-20 minutes.
> 
> 	thanks for any clues.  i hate to keep rebooting. ...
> 
> 	gary


	Finally found (possible) solutions on a usenet forums site:
	xset s off;
	xset -dpms;

	Then in /etc/X11.org, comment  the DPMS option, e.g.:

		#Option     "DPMS"

	See if this works.  
-- 
 Gary Kline  kline@thought.org  http://www.thought.org  Public Service Unix
        http://jottings.thought.org   http://transfinite.thought.org


From witt at cylogistics.com  Mon Nov  3 15:31:43 2008
From: witt at cylogistics.com (Don Witt)
Date: Mon Nov  3 15:46:25 2008
Subject: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In
In-Reply-To: <47BB6151991A555176831AB5@ganymede.hub.org>
References: <47BB6151991A555176831AB5@ganymede.hub.org>
Message-ID: <02fb01c93e09$b011e3c0$1035ab40$@com>

This is very cool.  What is up with NetBSD and OpenBSD.  Are these numbers
accurate?

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org
[mailto:owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Marc G. Fournier
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 2:34 PM
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org;
users@lists.dragonflybsd.org; netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org; Thorsten Glaser;
Gonzalo Martinez - Sanjuan Sanchez;
midnightbsd-users@stargazer.midnightbsd.org; miros-discuss@66h.42h.de;
general@desktopbsd.net; announce@lists.pcbsd.org; public@lists.pcbsd.org
Subject: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In


As of November 3rd, 2008, the project has hit a new milestone of 25 000+
hosts 
reporting in, with a break down as follows:

           PC-BSD           17 454 hosts
           FreeBSD           5 526 hosts
           DesktopBSD        1 919 hosts
           NetBSD               86 hosts
           MirBSD               21 hosts
           OpenBSD              55 hosts
           DragonFly            26 hosts
           MidnightBSD          26 hosts
           GNU/kFreeBSD          2 hosts

We currently have hosts being reported in from 135 countries, with the top
10
being:

           United States           6 082
           Russian Federation      1 836
           Germany                 1 586
           Australia               1 341
           Ukraine                   997
           France                    930
           Japan                     898
           United Kingdom            791
           Canada                    767
           Brazil                    729

Project URL: http://www.bsdstats.org

Project Objective:

"The mission of this site is to compile semi-accurate numbers for advocacy
and
marketing of the *BSD operating systems."


PC-BSD, to the best of our knowledge, is the only one that defaults to
enabled, 
while the rest have to be enabled manually.

For FreeBSD users, you just need to install /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats to
set 
things up.

If you aren't participating, we very much encourage you to start ... the
report 
script is a shell script, so you can scan it to figure out what, exactly, is

being sent in .. and there is only one level of reporting that is  required,

and that is Operating System + Version ... Device and Ports reporting are
100% 
optional ...

For those that are participating ... once more, thank you ... and spread the
word, we need more ...


If you have any questions, please feel free to email me ...

-- 
Marc G. Fournier        Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. (http://www.hub.org)
Email . scrappy@hub.org                              MSN . scrappy@hub.org
Yahoo . yscrappy               Skype: hub.org        ICQ . 7615664

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From glen.j.barber at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 15:49:15 2008
From: glen.j.barber at gmail.com (Glen Barber)
Date: Mon Nov  3 15:53:33 2008
Subject: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In
In-Reply-To: <02fb01c93e09$b011e3c0$1035ab40$@com>
References: <47BB6151991A555176831AB5@ganymede.hub.org>
	<02fb01c93e09$b011e3c0$1035ab40$@com>
Message-ID: <4ad871310811031549i23b816a8k7cb1ce1ab14c672@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Don Witt <witt@cylogistics.com> wrote:
> This is very cool.  What is up with NetBSD and OpenBSD.  Are these numbers
> accurate?

As far as I know, these numbers can only be accurate if the
administrator enables (installs?) stats reporting.

You can add 1 to FreeBSD, because I don't allow stats reporting.  :)


-- 
Glen Barber
From murray at stokely.org  Mon Nov  3 16:23:48 2008
From: murray at stokely.org (Murray Stokely)
Date: Mon Nov  3 16:31:45 2008
Subject: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In
In-Reply-To: <02fb01c93e09$b011e3c0$1035ab40$@com>
References: <47BB6151991A555176831AB5@ganymede.hub.org>
	<02fb01c93e09$b011e3c0$1035ab40$@com>
Message-ID: <2a7894eb0811031601h3ed4c41flf0bc90679da62ecd@mail.gmail.com>

[BCCed others]

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Don Witt <witt@cylogistics.com> wrote:
> This is very cool.  What is up with NetBSD and OpenBSD.  Are these numbers
> accurate?

These numbers represent the number of people that have installed a
program to report usage, and are almost completely uncorrelated with
actual usage rates.  There needs to be a big warning at the top of
these very misleading reports.  Also, the massive spam to many
different lists is not ideal.  Any guess at actual "usage" numbers
would be many orders of magnitude larger, and PC-BSD would be a
rounding error to other BSDs used in large hosting environments
(nothing against the great work being done by PC-BSD, just a fact
based on desktop vs server focus).

I continue to believe that sending out these numbers which massively
undercount all operating systems is very counter-productive, but I've
said that before.

If you want to get better numbers you could try to survey all web
servers on the internet, identify the host operating systems by server
responses, tcp/ip timing characteristics, or other heuristics.  You
could alternatively mine google analytics  / webserver log data for
large websites if you want client numbers, or countless other data
sources that would give you far more data than this self reporting
mechanism, and with a much better sample than the very biased
mechanism used for these numbers.

                - Murray
From mlobo at digiart.art.br  Mon Nov  3 16:38:56 2008
From: mlobo at digiart.art.br (Mario Lobo)
Date: Mon Nov  3 16:39:11 2008
Subject: flash9 checklist
In-Reply-To: <200810302253.m9UMrXdF014739@saturn.kn-bremen.de>
References: <200810280859.24048@aldan>
	<20081028181731.GA30591@saturn.kn-bremen.de>
	<200810302253.m9UMrXdF014739@saturn.kn-bremen.de>
Message-ID: <200811031923.38317.mlobo@digiart.art.br>

On Thursday 30 October 2008 19:53:33 Juergen Lock wrote:
> In article <49086F1A.2090500@comcast.net> you write:
> >Juergen Lock wrote:
> >> Preliminary checklist for getting flash9 to work in native firefox:
> >> (flash10 needs more ports work, I shall post about that seperately on
> >> -emulation...)  If you have additions to this please post a followup to
> >> this thread, keeping the Cc: (I'm not on -questions...)
> >>
> >> 1. You need RELENG_7 from at least Mon Oct 20 11:15:57 2008 UTC
> >> (the relevant MFC commits are:
> >> 	http://svn.freebsd.org/viewvc/base?view=revision&revision=183819
> >> 	http://svn.freebsd.org/viewvc/base?view=revision&revision=184075
> >> - a recent HEAD should also work of course.)  There are linprocfs
> >> patches for RELENG_6 too (merging the former commit), but the latter
> >> commit can't be merged to 6 (and 7.0) since they lack the cpuset bits,
> >> so flash9 probably won't work on SMP there.  (Although if you have SMP
> >> you probably should be running 7 anyway. :)  Oh and if you do have SMP
> >> you also need to use the ULE scheduler, the cpuset syscalls are not
> >> supported with 4BSD. linprocfs patches for 6:
> >> 	http://people.freebsd.org/~nox/linprocfs-6.3.patch
> >> 	http://people.freebsd.org/~nox/linprocfs-6.4.patch
> >>
> >> 2. Your portstree needs to be from at least Sun Oct 19 17:37:28 2008 UTC
> >> (the last www/linux-flashplugin9 commit is:
> >> 	http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/cvs-ports/2008-October/158404.html
> >> )
> >>
> >> 3. Make sure linprocfs is mounted to /compat/linux/proc .
> >>
> >> 4. Make sure www/nspluginwrapper, www/linux-flashplugin9 and
> >> dependencies are installed and up to date(!).  (the default
> >> emulators/linux_base-fc4 should work, if you want to use a later one
> >> don't forget to set compat.linux.osrelease=2.6.16 in sysctl.conf and
> >> OVERRIDE_LINUX_BASE_PORT to whichever version you use in make.conf. 
> >> Note however that on 6, only the default compat.linux.osrelease=2.4.2
> >> really works.)
> >>
> >> 5. If the plugin doesnt show up in firefox' about:plugins, run
> >> 	nspluginwrapper -i
> >> /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so and restart
> >> firefox.
> >>
> >> 6. And remember there's a security advisory for the current version of
> >> flash9,
> >> 	http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/portaudit/78f456fd-9c87-11dd-a55e-00163e00
> >>0016.html (if you use portaudit you need to `make
> >> -DDISABLE_VULNERABILITIES ...' to be able to install the port), and fc4
> >> seems to be eol'd too, so you probably want to install something like
> >> the noscript firefox extension,
> >> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/722
> >> and only allow plugins (and scripts, tho thats a different problem) on
> >> sites you trust...
> >>
> >>  And finally, if you still get crashes after following the above even
> >> on pages that are reported to work now (like youtube) you probably want
> >> to run `ktrace -di firefox...' and look at the output using linux_kdump
> >> (thats the devel/linux_kdump port, you want to use a package), paying
> >> specific attention to the lines above `PSIG SIGSEGV' (or whichever
> >> signal you got), maybe there are still shlibs missing that the plugin
> >> needs (NAMI ...something.so...), and if this is the case tell us about
> >> it so the appropriate dependencies can be added to the relevant ports.
> >> If you can't figure it out I guess it doesn't hurt to post the last
> >> few 100 lines of the dump up to the relevant PSIG on -emulation...
> >>
> >>  You may also want to check linked shlibs like this:
> >> 	/compat/linux/bin/sh /compat/linux/usr/bin/ldd
> >> /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so and
> >> 	/compat/linux/bin/sh /compat/linux/usr/bin/ldd
> >> /usr/local/lib/nspluginwrapper/i386/linux/npviewer.bin (if you see `not
> >> found' in there you know something is wrong) - although that doesn't
> >> show libs that may be dlopen()d at runtime.
> >
> >Thanks for this.  I was able to get linux-flashplugin9 working in native
> >Firefox 3.0.3 on FreeBSD 7-STABLE i386.  The only additional thing I had
> >to do was copy
> >/usr/X11R6/lib/browser_plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so into
> >~/.mozilla/plugins/ for Firefox to recognize the plugin.
>
> Yeah I forgot to note that you want to run nspluginwrapper -i
> as the user that will run the native browser, not as root, then the
> wrapper will go into ~/.mozilla/plugins/...
>
> >  After that
> >Youtube, google video, and google maps (incl. street view) work fine,
> >but slow.  A friend of mine with a very similar setup was not so lucky
> >and still has problems with flash9 locking up FF.
>
>  Hmm, lockups I haven't seen yet here.
>
>  HTH,
> 	Juergen
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It works almost perfectly for me ! Thanks for this, Juergen !.

I had to say "almost perfectly" because in myspace, for instance, it takes a 
while for the "flashies" to start. One thing I noticed is that if I terminate 
FF, npviewer.bin remains loaded and I have to kill it.

Here is what I've got:

CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 3.20GHz (3199.66-MHz 686-class CPU)
real memory  = 2146304000 (2046 MB)
nvidia0: <GeForce 7100 GS> on vgapci0
FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #3: Wed Oct 29 18:37:07 BRT 2008 (i386)

kern.ipc.shmmax: 33554432  -> 1036870912
kern.ipc.shmall: 8192  -> 261072
compat.linux.osrelease: 2.4.2  -> 2.6.16

firefox-3.0.3,1 AND 2.0.0.17 (both work!)
linux_base-fc-4_10
nspluginwrapper-1.0.0
linux-flashplugin-9.0r124_2

The mtv site worked fine all the way !! Great oldie stuff !

-- 
Mario Lobo
http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br
FreeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99,7% winedows FREE)
From joompz at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 16:58:24 2008
From: joompz at gmail.com (J MPZ)
Date: Mon Nov  3 16:58:31 2008
Subject: Problems with FreeBSD
Message-ID: <e56958de0811031643s473b499haa3243de1ed7c278@mail.gmail.com>

Hi guys,

I have some problem with my FreeBSD server. I have this:

#########                                    ###########      #########
# Linux1  #  -> ASA  -> Internet  -> # FreeBSD  #  -> # Linux2 #
#########                                    ###########      #########

If I run a ssh for Linux1 to FreeBSD, my connection freeze when the return
of some command is a big text. Example:

I make a ssh connection in the from the Linux1 to FreeBSD server, then, I
execute some commands, like: 'pwd', 'whoami', 'ls /'... this work perfectly.
But, if I run some command that return a big text, like as: 'ls /dev/', or
top, my connection freeze.

In other terminal, the tcpdump continues showing packets in this connection
that was freeze.

If I try to access the Linux2, throught FreeBSD (redirect port on natd or
redirect port with rinetd), the same thing happens.

Is this a problem with FreeBSD? Someone know how I can fix it? Some sysctl?

Regards,
J.
From mlobo at digiart.art.br  Mon Nov  3 17:18:02 2008
From: mlobo at digiart.art.br (Mario Lobo)
Date: Mon Nov  3 17:18:08 2008
Subject: Qemu network question
Message-ID: <200811032218.32267.mlobo@digiart.art.br>

Hi:

Please use a fixed font to see the diagram bellow:


       FBSD HOST(7.1-PRERELEASE)
      +-----------------+
      |    10.10.10.1   | 
 LAN -+----- re0        | 
      |                 | 
      |    +-----+      |
  +---+----+tap0 |      |  
  |  ++----+tap1 |      | 
  |  ||    +-----+      |  
  |  ||    bridge0      |  (if_bridge)
  |  || 192.168.100.254 |  
  |  |+-----------------+
  |  |
  |  |      QEMU GUEST 1 (linux Fedora core 5)
  |  |   +-----------------+
  |  |   |                 |
  |  +---+---- eth0        | 
  |      | 192.168.100.1   | 
  |      |                 | 
  |      +-----------------+ 
  |         QEMU GUEST 2  (windows XP)
  |      +-----------------+
  |      |                 |
  +------+--- realtek      | 
         | 192.168.100.2   | 
         |                 | 
         +-----------------+ 

It's working like a charm ! 

I turned my FBSD desktop into a router/gateway, put pf to nat everything and 
set up an independent smb server on the host. Pings travel on any direction!. 
The guests have access to ALL the host's files and vice versa, BOTH guests 
have internet access and best of all, I can access the linux guest through an 
ssh shell and the windows guest through vncviewer, and, of course, the 2 
guests see each other ! Imagine how happy I am !

I tried this without turning my desktop into a gateway. The guests had 
internet access but the host was invisible to them and I got tired of trying 
to make qemu's -smb option work, so I adapted this "a-bit radical" approach I 
saw on a how-to for Sun OS I found on the net.

I'm really impressed with qemu performance !. I?ve compiled kernels, built 
RPMs and the reduction in performance from doing these things in a separate 
machine is really endurable.

My question is: If I don't put re0 into promiscous mode, all of this falls 
apart ! The network goes totally down for the host<->guests, but the host 
retains its internet conectivity. I discovered that by chance! I was trying 
to find out what was happening with conectivity so I tried pinging the host 
from the linux guest. As soon as I started tcpdump on the host, the pings 
went through so I found out what I needed from there.

Is this normal or is there something wrong with my NIC? setup?

Thanks,
-- 
Mario Lobo
http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br
FreeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99,7% winedows FREE)
From pprocacci at datapipe.com  Mon Nov  3 17:28:25 2008
From: pprocacci at datapipe.com (Paul A. Procacci)
Date: Mon Nov  3 17:28:31 2008
Subject: Problems with FreeBSD
In-Reply-To: <e56958de0811031643s473b499haa3243de1ed7c278@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e56958de0811031643s473b499haa3243de1ed7c278@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <490FA51F.7010901@datapipe.com>

J MPZ wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> I have some problem with my FreeBSD server. I have this:
>
> #########                                    ###########      #########
> # Linux1  #  -> ASA  -> Internet  -> # FreeBSD  #  -> # Linux2 #
> #########                                    ###########      #########
>
> If I run a ssh for Linux1 to FreeBSD, my connection freeze when the return
> of some command is a big text. Example:
>
> I make a ssh connection in the from the Linux1 to FreeBSD server, then, I
> execute some commands, like: 'pwd', 'whoami', 'ls /'... this work perfectly.
> But, if I run some command that return a big text, like as: 'ls /dev/', or
> top, my connection freeze.
>
> In other terminal, the tcpdump continues showing packets in this connection
> that was freeze.
>
> If I try to access the Linux2, throught FreeBSD (redirect port on natd or
> redirect port with rinetd), the same thing happens.
>
> Is this a problem with FreeBSD? Someone know how I can fix it? Some sysctl?
>
> Regards,
> J.
> _______________________________________________
> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
>   
The tcpdump that you say continues showing packets......are the packets 
leaving the freeBSD machine or arriving at the FreeBSD machine.
My guess is you meant leaving the FreeBSD destined for your linux 
machine.  If this is the case, then the problem most likely lies with 
the ASA.
If you monitor the ASA's external interface during your testing, do you 
see packets arriving?  If so, do you see packets leaving the internal 
interface going back to your Linux1 machine?
From koitsu at FreeBSD.org  Mon Nov  3 17:30:13 2008
From: koitsu at FreeBSD.org (Jeremy Chadwick)
Date: Mon Nov  3 17:30:21 2008
Subject: Problems with FreeBSD
In-Reply-To: <e56958de0811031643s473b499haa3243de1ed7c278@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e56958de0811031643s473b499haa3243de1ed7c278@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081104013010.GA34643@icarus.home.lan>

On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 10:43:52PM -0200, J MPZ wrote:
> Hi guys,
> 
> I have some problem with my FreeBSD server. I have this:
> 
> #########                                    ###########      #########
> # Linux1  #  -> ASA  -> Internet  -> # FreeBSD  #  -> # Linux2 #
> #########                                    ###########      #########
> 
> If I run a ssh for Linux1 to FreeBSD, my connection freeze when the return
> of some command is a big text. Example:
> 
> I make a ssh connection in the from the Linux1 to FreeBSD server, then, I
> execute some commands, like: 'pwd', 'whoami', 'ls /'... this work perfectly.
> But, if I run some command that return a big text, like as: 'ls /dev/', or
> top, my connection freeze.
> 
> In other terminal, the tcpdump continues showing packets in this connection
> that was freeze.

Does the FreeBSD machine run a firewall at all, e.g. pf(4)?

If so, you probably have some rules which are broken.  (I've seen this
problem on FreeBSD 6.x when using rules which are not correctly
configured to match initiate state).  Also, if a firewall is in use and
you're blocking all forms of ICMP, that would impact path MTU discovery.
Naughty.

You might also try disabling TCP extensions on the FreeBSD box to see if
it makes any difference.  Note that this can impact performance (large
TCP window sizes won't be negotiated), but it's worth disabling for a
test case.

sysctl net.inet.tcp.rfc1323=0

> If I try to access the Linux2, throught FreeBSD (redirect port on natd or
> redirect port with rinetd), the same thing happens.
> 
> Is this a problem with FreeBSD? Someone know how I can fix it? Some sysctl?

-- 
| Jeremy Chadwick                                jdc at parodius.com |
| Parodius Networking                       http://www.parodius.com/ |
| UNIX Systems Administrator                  Mountain View, CA, USA |
| Making life hard for others since 1977.              PGP: 4BD6C0CB |

From kline at thought.org  Mon Nov  3 17:39:31 2008
From: kline at thought.org (Gary Kline)
Date: Mon Nov  3 17:39:39 2008
Subject: source for dict?
Message-ID: <20081104013924.GA21577@thought.org>

Is the source file/database for dict in ports?  I *thought* I had it at one time.
tia,

gary

-- 
 Gary Kline  kline@thought.org  http://www.thought.org  Public Service Unix
        http://jottings.thought.org   http://transfinite.thought.org


From keramida at ceid.upatras.gr  Mon Nov  3 18:11:05 2008
From: keramida at ceid.upatras.gr (Giorgos Keramidas)
Date: Mon Nov  3 18:11:33 2008
Subject: source for dict?
In-Reply-To: <20081104013924.GA21577@thought.org> (Gary Kline's message of
	"Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:39:26 -0800")
References: <20081104013924.GA21577@thought.org>
Message-ID: <87wsfkqlzn.fsf@kobe.laptop>

On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:39:26 -0800, Gary Kline <kline@thought.org> wrote:
> Is the source file/database for dict in ports?  I *thought* I had it
> at one time.  tia,

Maybe.  There are a few '*dict*' matches, but without more context it is
a bit hard to really know which dict program you are looking for.

  % pwd
  /usr/ports
  % ls -d1 */dict*
  chinese/dictd-database
  misc/diction
  net/dictd
  net/dictd-database
  textproc/dict
  textproc/dictem
  textproc/dictem-xemacs21-mule
  textproc/dictfmt
  textproc/dictionary
  %

From af300wsm at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 18:16:42 2008
From: af300wsm at gmail.com (Andrew Falanga)
Date: Mon Nov  3 18:16:49 2008
Subject: Authentication with SSH using public keys
In-Reply-To: <20081101014600.GA37453@chateau.d.lf>
References: <200810311652.38230.af300wsm@gmail.com>
	<20081101014600.GA37453@chateau.d.lf>
Message-ID: <340a29540811031816n5e9a6b54t1ff92172bd3c1b6e@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 6:46 PM, ???? ????? Ashish Shukla
<wahjava.ml@gmail.com> wrote:
> In <200810311652.38230.af300wsm@gmail.com>, Andrew Falanga wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> My father recently setup a new 7.0-Release system for some web
>> development.  I use ssh to login remotely.  I've normally not had any
>> trouble configuring authentication through public key encryption using
>> ssh-keygen and such.  I have for myself a id_rsa.pub and an id_rsa key pair
>> that I use for this purpose.
>>
>> Normally, I just copy, via scp, the file id_rsa.pub to my
>> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file on the remote host and the next time I attempt a
>> login all is well.  That is, I don't have to enter my password.  However, on
>> my Dad's new machine, this isn't the case.  I still have to enter the
>> password.
>>
>> Now, I've looked through his /etc/ssh/sshd_config file and nothing in
>> there looks odd, or different, from other remote hosts I do this on.  So,
>> I'm embedding a copy/paste of an ssh login session on my father's host using
>> -v -v to ssh:
>>
>> [/usr/home/andy/MCH]
>> -> ssh -v -v malumgat
>
> [...]
>
>> debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,keyboard-interactive
>> debug1: Next authentication method: publickey
>> debug1: Trying private key: /home/andy/.ssh/identity
>> debug1: Offering public key: /home/andy/.ssh/id_rsa
>> debug2: we sent a publickey packet, wait for reply
>> debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,keyboard-interactive
>
> It seems OpenSSH (on your dad's box) hasn't recognized your private key, so
> how about checking permissions of ~/.ssh/authorized_keys and ~/.ssh on his
> box. Or how about enabling verbose logging on his box, using 'LogLevel'
> parameter in sshd_config.
>
> HTH
> Ashish Shukla

The permissions on the machine where it works:
[www:/home/afalanga]
-> ls -la .ssh/
total 6
drwxr-xr-x  2 afalanga  staff  512 Sep 28 03:33 .
drwxr-xr-x  3 afalanga  staff  512 Oct 29 08:31 ..
-rw-r--r--  1 afalanga  staff  393 Sep 28 03:33 authorized_keys

The permissions on the machine where it doesn't work:
[andy@mch ~]$ ls -la .ssh/
total 6
drwxrwxr-x  2 andy  wheel  512 Oct 10 04:30 .
drwxr-xr-x  4 andy  wheel  512 Oct 31 06:30 ..
-rw-r--r--  1 andy  wheel  393 Oct 28 10:01 authorized_keys

I see a difference in that the directory on the machine where it
doesn't work is writable to the group, but on the machine where it
does work the directory isn't writable.  Other than that, the
permissions don't look different, do they?

Andy
From af300wsm at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 18:30:24 2008
From: af300wsm at gmail.com (Andrew Falanga)
Date: Mon Nov  3 18:30:32 2008
Subject: Authentication with SSH using public keys
In-Reply-To: <20081101014600.GA37453@chateau.d.lf>
References: <200810311652.38230.af300wsm@gmail.com>
	<20081101014600.GA37453@chateau.d.lf>
Message-ID: <200811031929.46308.af300wsm@gmail.com>


>
> >debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,keyboard-interactive
> >debug1: Next authentication method: publickey
> >debug1: Trying private key: /home/andy/.ssh/identity
> >debug1: Offering public key: /home/andy/.ssh/id_rsa
> >debug2: we sent a publickey packet, wait for reply
> >debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,keyboard-interactive
>
> It seems OpenSSH (on your dad's box) hasn't recognized your private key, so
> how about checking permissions of ~/.ssh/authorized_keys and ~/.ssh on his
> box. Or how about enabling verbose logging on his box, using 'LogLevel'
> parameter in sshd_config.
>
> HTH
> Ashish Shukla


Following onto the e-mail I made before, apparently that little permissions 
difference for the directory, .ssh, was the problem.  Changing it to 644 has, 
apparently, fixed the problem.

Andy
From koitsu at FreeBSD.org  Mon Nov  3 18:36:29 2008
From: koitsu at FreeBSD.org (Jeremy Chadwick)
Date: Mon Nov  3 18:36:38 2008
Subject: Authentication with SSH using public keys
In-Reply-To: <200811031929.46308.af300wsm@gmail.com>
References: <200810311652.38230.af300wsm@gmail.com>
	<20081101014600.GA37453@chateau.d.lf>
	<200811031929.46308.af300wsm@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081104023550.GA35893@icarus.home.lan>

On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 07:29:46PM -0700, Andrew Falanga wrote:
> 
> >
> > >debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,keyboard-interactive
> > >debug1: Next authentication method: publickey
> > >debug1: Trying private key: /home/andy/.ssh/identity
> > >debug1: Offering public key: /home/andy/.ssh/id_rsa
> > >debug2: we sent a publickey packet, wait for reply
> > >debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,keyboard-interactive
> >
> > It seems OpenSSH (on your dad's box) hasn't recognized your private key, so
> > how about checking permissions of ~/.ssh/authorized_keys and ~/.ssh on his
> > box. Or how about enabling verbose logging on his box, using 'LogLevel'
> > parameter in sshd_config.
> >
> > HTH
> > Ashish Shukla
> 
> 
> Following onto the e-mail I made before, apparently that little permissions 
> difference for the directory, .ssh, was the problem.  Changing it to 644 has, 
> apparently, fixed the problem.

Which doesn't make sense for two reasons:

1) Directories must have the execute bit set (644 lacks that),
2) ~/.ssh should be 700 for security reasons.

-- 
| Jeremy Chadwick                                jdc at parodius.com |
| Parodius Networking                       http://www.parodius.com/ |
| UNIX Systems Administrator                  Mountain View, CA, USA |
| Making life hard for others since 1977.              PGP: 4BD6C0CB |

From the.real.david.allen at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 17:38:28 2008
From: the.real.david.allen at gmail.com (David Allen)
Date: Mon Nov  3 19:00:14 2008
Subject: Using csup
Message-ID: <2daa8b4e0811031738q759d34f4q274a676957ad379e@mail.gmail.com>

I'd like to move to using csup(1) and there's an error in the manpage
that's raising some questions for me:

    OPTIONS
        base=base   The default base directory is /usr/local/etc/csup.

    FILES
        /usr/local/etc/cvsup                Default base directory.
        sup                                 Default collDir subdirectory.
        base/collDir/collection/checkouts*  List files.

Assuming that the default 'base' directory is /usr/local/etc/cvsup, would
the following three files be sufficient for csup to work?

# /usr/local/etc/cvsup/standard-supfile
*default tag=RELENG_7_0
*default host=cvsup10.us.FreeBSD.org
*default release=cvs delete use-rel-suffix compress
src-all

# /usr/local/etc/cvsup/doc-supfile
doc-all

# /usr/local/etc/cvsup/ports-supfile
ports-all tag=.

# usr/local/etc/cvsup/sup/refuse
[contents of global refusefile]
From kline at thought.org  Mon Nov  3 19:19:44 2008
From: kline at thought.org (Gary Kline)
Date: Mon Nov  3 19:19:51 2008
Subject: source for dict?
In-Reply-To: <87wsfkqlzn.fsf@kobe.laptop>
References: <20081104013924.GA21577@thought.org> <87wsfkqlzn.fsf@kobe.laptop>
Message-ID: <20081104031937.GA24625@thought.org>

On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 04:10:52AM +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:39:26 -0800, Gary Kline <kline@thought.org> wrote:
> > Is the source file/database for dict in ports?  I *thought* I had it
> > at one time.  tia,
> 
> Maybe.  There are a few '*dict*' matches, but without more context it is
> a bit hard to really know which dict program you are looking for.
> 
>   % pwd
>   /usr/ports
>   % ls -d1 */dict*
>   chinese/dictd-database
>   misc/diction
>   net/dictd
>   net/dictd-database
>   textproc/dict
>   textproc/dictem
>   textproc/dictem-xemacs21-mule
>   textproc/dictfmt
>   textproc/dictionary
>   %
> 

	Super, it's it net/dictd-database.  I'm trying to reduce as much
	bandwidth as I can.

	thanks much!

	gary


-- 
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        http://jottings.thought.org   http://transfinite.thought.org


From bruce at cran.org.uk  Mon Nov  3 19:28:04 2008
From: bruce at cran.org.uk (Bruce Cran)
Date: Mon Nov  3 19:28:13 2008
Subject: garmin forerunner 305
In-Reply-To: <20080904202402.0c245ed2@tau.draftnet>
References: <f5b896260809040751ka9d42e8nfba3ec0d49305c58@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080904202402.0c245ed2@tau.draftnet>
Message-ID: <20081103192749.2f35701b@tau.draftnet>

On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 20:24:02 +0100
Bruce Cran <bruce@cran.org.uk> wrote:

> On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:51:33 -0300
> "Joey Mingrone" <joey@mingrone.org> wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Has anyone had any success collecting data from a Garmin Forerunner
> > 305?
> > 
> > When I connect the device I see the kernel messages:
> > Sep  4 11:39:22 jrm root: Unknown USB device: vendor 0x091e product
> > 0x0003 bus uhub1
> > Sep  4 11:39:22 jrm kernel: ugen0: <vendor 0x091e product 0x0003,
> > class 255/255, rev 1.10/0.01, addr 2> on uhub1
> > 
> > The documentation for the port astro/GPSMan seems to indicate it
> > supports this model, but I haven't had any luck.
> > 
> > % uname -a
> > FreeBSD xxx.xxx 7.0-RELEASE-p1 FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE-p1 #3: Thu Jun 12
> > 18:47:50 ADT 2008     root@xxx.xxx:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/xxx  i386
> 
> Unfortunately Garmin use their own protocol for communicating between
> the GPS and the PC.  Under Linux it's supported by the garmin_gps
> driver but there's no equivalent for FreeBSD yet.
> 

Sorry, it turns out that's wrong: the gpsbabel developers recommend not
using garmin_gps because apparently it often doesn't work.  Instead
they recommend using gpsbabel's 'garmin' input/output format.  It
interfaces to the device using libusb - which, fortunately for us runs
on FreeBSD! I've just successfully read back GPS data into a GPX file
using gpsbabel on FreeBSD 8-CURRENT and the 'usb2' usb stack. 

I don't know if it'll work with the usb stack that's in shipping
version of FreeBSD though, and even with the new stack I had to make a
change to libgpsusb.c in gpsbabel to get it working.

-- 
Bruce Cran
From wahjava.ml at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 20:26:41 2008
From: wahjava.ml at gmail.com (Ashish Shukla =?utf-8?B?4KSG4KS24KWA4KS3IA==?=
	=?utf-8?B?4KS24KWB4KSV4KWN4KSy?=)
Date: Mon Nov  3 20:26:48 2008
Subject: Authentication with SSH using public keys
In-Reply-To: <200811031929.46308.af300wsm@gmail.com> (Andrew Falanga's message
	of "Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:29:46 -0700")
References: <200810311652.38230.af300wsm@gmail.com>
	<20081101014600.GA37453@chateau.d.lf>
	<200811031929.46308.af300wsm@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87prlcm80w.fsf@chateau.d.lf>

Andrew Falanga writes:

>> 
>> >debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,keyboard-interactive
>> >debug1: Next authentication method: publickey
>> >debug1: Trying private key: /home/andy/.ssh/identity
>> >debug1: Offering public key: /home/andy/.ssh/id_rsa
>> >debug2: we sent a publickey packet, wait for reply
>> >debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,keyboard-interactive
>> 
>> It seems OpenSSH (on your dad's box) hasn't recognized your private key, so
>> how about checking permissions of ~/.ssh/authorized_keys and ~/.ssh on his
>> box. Or how about enabling verbose logging on his box, using 'LogLevel'
>> parameter in sshd_config.
>> 
>> HTH
>> Ashish Shukla


> Following onto the e-mail I made before, apparently that little permissions 
> difference for the directory, .ssh, was the problem.  Changing it to 644 has, 
> apparently, fixed the problem.

Cool :) . I learnt this from my first SSH public-key authentication
configuration ;)

Ashish
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From the-ghost at inbox.ru  Mon Nov  3 20:50:07 2008
From: the-ghost at inbox.ru (The Ghost)
Date: Mon Nov  3 20:50:14 2008
Subject: virtual consoles on freebsd-7.0-release
Message-ID: <E1KxAY3-000Kn4-00.the-ghost-inbox-ru@f54.mail.ru>

Hello,


I migrated to freensd-7.0-release and noticed that I can't switch to the virtual consoles by pressing Alt+Fx once I've started X ! I guess the key combination has changed in the nre version of Xorg implemented in FreeBSD 7.0, so I took a look at the online handbook, but I haven't found anything about the new way to switch to the virtual consoles... Could anyone please point me at what do I miss?..



                                           The Ghost <the-ghost@inbox.ru>


From stupendoussteve at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  3 21:21:06 2008
From: stupendoussteve at hotmail.com (Steven Susbauer)
Date: Mon Nov  3 21:21:13 2008
Subject: virtual consoles on freebsd-7.0-release
Message-ID: <BAY122-F35D8133DF478954641234BBA1C0@phx.gbl>

The Ghost wrote:
>Hello,
>
>
>I migrated to freensd-7.0-release and noticed that I can't switch to the 
>virtual consoles by pressing Alt+Fx once I've started X ! I guess the key 
>combination has changed in the nre version of Xorg implemented in FreeBSD 
>7.0, so I took a look at the online handbook, but I haven't found anything 
>about the new way to switch to the virtual consoles... Could anyone please 
>point me at what do I miss?..
>
>
>
>                                            The Ghost <the-ghost@inbox.ru>
>
Have you tried Ctrl+Alt+Fx? Alt alone has never gone to a virtual
console from X for me, on any system.

   -Steve


From scrappy at hub.org  Mon Nov  3 17:12:14 2008
From: scrappy at hub.org (Marc G. Fournier)
Date: Mon Nov  3 21:45:13 2008
Subject: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In
In-Reply-To: <02fb01c93e09$b011e3c0$1035ab40$@com>
References: <47BB6151991A555176831AB5@ganymede.hub.org>
	<02fb01c93e09$b011e3c0$1035ab40$@com>
Message-ID: <6C6C117AAA26FCE12662F014@ganymede.hub.org>

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Its a voluntary reporting ... I know with both PC-BSD, reporting is on by 
default .. with FreeBSD, its a simple 'make install' in ports ... with 
NetBSD/OpenBSD, I suspect its purely manual, so a bit more work involved ...

Both NetBSD / OpenBSD #s have been increasing though, just not as fast as the 
others ...

- --On Monday, November 03, 2008 15:12:46 -0800 Don Witt <witt@cylogistics.com> 
wrote:

> This is very cool.  What is up with NetBSD and OpenBSD.  Are these numbers
> accurate?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org
> [mailto:owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Marc G. Fournier
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 2:34 PM
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org;
> users@lists.dragonflybsd.org; netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org; Thorsten Glaser;
> Gonzalo Martinez - Sanjuan Sanchez;
> midnightbsd-users@stargazer.midnightbsd.org; miros-discuss@66h.42h.de;
> general@desktopbsd.net; announce@lists.pcbsd.org; public@lists.pcbsd.org
> Subject: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In
>
>
> As of November 3rd, 2008, the project has hit a new milestone of 25 000+
> hosts
> reporting in, with a break down as follows:
>
>            PC-BSD           17 454 hosts
>            FreeBSD           5 526 hosts
>            DesktopBSD        1 919 hosts
>            NetBSD               86 hosts
>            MirBSD               21 hosts
>            OpenBSD              55 hosts
>            DragonFly            26 hosts
>            MidnightBSD          26 hosts
>            GNU/kFreeBSD          2 hosts
>
> We currently have hosts being reported in from 135 countries, with the top
> 10
> being:
>
>            United States           6 082
>            Russian Federation      1 836
>            Germany                 1 586
>            Australia               1 341
>            Ukraine                   997
>            France                    930
>            Japan                     898
>            United Kingdom            791
>            Canada                    767
>            Brazil                    729
>
> Project URL: http://www.bsdstats.org
>
> Project Objective:
>
> "The mission of this site is to compile semi-accurate numbers for advocacy
> and
> marketing of the *BSD operating systems."
>
>
> PC-BSD, to the best of our knowledge, is the only one that defaults to
> enabled,
> while the rest have to be enabled manually.
>
> For FreeBSD users, you just need to install /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats to
> set
> things up.
>
> If you aren't participating, we very much encourage you to start ... the
> report
> script is a shell script, so you can scan it to figure out what, exactly, is
>
> being sent in .. and there is only one level of reporting that is  required,
>
> and that is Operating System + Version ... Device and Ports reporting are
> 100%
> optional ...
>
> For those that are participating ... once more, thank you ... and spread the
> word, we need more ...
>
>
> If you have any questions, please feel free to email me ...
>
> --
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From scrappy at hub.org  Mon Nov  3 17:20:57 2008
From: scrappy at hub.org (Marc G. Fournier)
Date: Mon Nov  3 21:45:49 2008
Subject: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In
In-Reply-To: <490F92DA.3040609@bah.homeip.net>
References: <47BB6151991A555176831AB5@ganymede.hub.org>
	<490F92DA.3040609@bah.homeip.net>
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- --On Tuesday, November 04, 2008 01:10:02 +0100 Bernt Hansson 
<bernt@bah.homeip.net> wrote:

> Marc G. Fournier skrev:
>> As of November 3rd, 2008, the project has hit a new milestone of 25 000+
>> hosts  reporting in, with a break down as follows:
>
> There are errors on your homepage
>
> 6,072 is a lot less then 500.

Pardon?  I don't see either # on the home page .. *puzzled look*




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From scrappy at hub.org  Mon Nov  3 18:38:24 2008
From: scrappy at hub.org (Marc G. Fournier)
Date: Mon Nov  3 22:20:21 2008
Subject: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In
In-Reply-To: <490FAD05.1050001@hdk5.net>
References: <47BB6151991A555176831AB5@ganymede.hub.org>
	<490FAD05.1050001@hdk5.net>
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- --On Monday, November 03, 2008 16:01:41 -1000 Al Plant <noc@hdk5.net> wrote:

>
> Aloha,
>
> I have 10 FreeBSD servers and desktops in use here in Hawaii.
>
> These are not on the list as I only have 4 servers that are up 24/7 and they
> are fire walled off with pf.
>
> The 6 others are on a lan behind a Linux Freesco Firewall. Only 2 on 24/7 the
> rest are on an as used boot up basis.
>
> How can I get them Listed?

Using FreeBSD as a reference point, the port, when it installs, allows you to 
enable two methods of reporting: monthly (out of periodic) and on reboot ... so 
that covers the 4 that aren't up 24/7 ...

Next, the reporting is not based on your IP ... in fact, to try and address 
security concerns, we do not store any information such as IP or hostname ... 
when you run the stats the first time, it generates a distinct key that is used 
for reporting and is stored on your host for future reporting to identify you 
...

Finally, for those dealing with firewalls, the script was written to make use 
of a PROXY server for reporting, so that no holes have to be opened up for an 
individual host to connect to the rver ...


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From perryh at pluto.rain.com  Mon Nov  3 23:12:46 2008
From: perryh at pluto.rain.com (perryh@pluto.rain.com)
Date: Mon Nov  3 23:12:53 2008
Subject: Problems with FreeBSD
In-Reply-To: <e56958de0811031643s473b499haa3243de1ed7c278@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e56958de0811031643s473b499haa3243de1ed7c278@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <490ff588.HP9wzhb2S+STWuym%perryh@pluto.rain.com>

> I have some problem with my FreeBSD server. I have this:
>
> #########                                    ###########      #########
> # Linux1  #  -> ASA  -> Internet  -> # FreeBSD  #  -> # Linux2 #
> #########                                    ###########      #########
>
> If I run a ssh for Linux1 to FreeBSD, my connection freeze when
> the return of some command is a big text. Example:
>
> I make a ssh connection in the from the Linux1 to FreeBSD server,
> then, I execute some commands, like: 'pwd', 'whoami', 'ls /'...
> this work perfectly.  But, if I run some command that return a big
> text, like as: 'ls /dev/', or top, my connection freeze.
...
> If I try to access the Linux2, throught FreeBSD (redirect port on
> natd or redirect port with rinetd), the same thing happens.
>
> Is this a problem with FreeBSD? Someone know how I can fix it? Some
> sysctl?

One possible cause of this behavior is an MTU problem.  If something
in the Linux1 <==> FreeBSD path is dropping packets larger than X
(where X is something lower than the endpoints are expecting) you'll
see exactly this sort of symptom.

While the real solution is to fix whatever is dropping the packets,
it may be easier to restrict the MTU.
From joeb at a1poweruser.com  Mon Nov  3 23:44:56 2008
From: joeb at a1poweruser.com (joeb)
Date: Mon Nov  3 23:45:03 2008
Subject: virtual consoles on freebsd-7.0-release
In-Reply-To: <BAY122-F35D8133DF478954641234BBA1C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBAEHNCMAA.joeb@a1poweruser.com>

	When I am in xorg/xfce and do Ctrl+Alt+Fx it does in fact open the selected
virtual console.
But I can not find any way to return to the xorg/xfce desktop running in the
virtual console I left from.
 Alt+Fx does take me to the virtual console where x11/xfce is suppose to be,
but puts me in command line mode.
The command ps ax shows xorg/xfce is still running.

How do I get back to the xorg/xfce desktop running in the virtual console I
left from?


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Steven Susbauer
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 1:21 PM
To: the-ghost@inbox.ru
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: virtual consoles on freebsd-7.0-release

The Ghost wrote:
>Hello,
>
>
>I migrated to freensd-7.0-release and noticed that I can't switch to the
>virtual consoles by pressing Alt+Fx once I've started X ! I guess the key
>combination has changed in the nre version of Xorg implemented in FreeBSD
>7.0, so I took a look at the online handbook, but I haven't found anything
>about the new way to switch to the virtual consoles... Could anyone please
>point me at what do I miss?..
>
>
>
>                                            The Ghost <the-ghost@inbox.ru>
>
Have you tried Ctrl+Alt+Fx? Alt alone has never gone to a virtual
console from X for me, on any system.

   -Steve


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From darwinian.empire at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 00:00:25 2008
From: darwinian.empire at gmail.com (Roey D)
Date: Tue Nov  4 00:00:35 2008
Subject: Default file permissions
Message-ID: <c9f50ec40811040000y1c08b99al2c27711a2887649b@mail.gmail.com>

I have a server running Azureus to download torrent files. The Azureus
directory is accessible to other computers using samba.
Azureus dumps it's completed files with the 644 permissions, making
them writable only for the owner.
As far as I looked, Azureus cannot be configured to dump it's files
with different permissions.
Is there any way to apply a "Inherited file permissions" on a specific
directory? (i.e all files created on this folder will have a specific
permission set, unless specifically changed by some application)
 I prefer doing this with the classic permission system, rather then using ACLs.

Thanks,
Roey
From koitsu at FreeBSD.org  Tue Nov  4 00:21:41 2008
From: koitsu at FreeBSD.org (Jeremy Chadwick)
Date: Tue Nov  4 00:21:48 2008
Subject: Default file permissions
In-Reply-To: <c9f50ec40811040000y1c08b99al2c27711a2887649b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c9f50ec40811040000y1c08b99al2c27711a2887649b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081104082140.GA42248@icarus.home.lan>

On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 10:00:24AM +0200, Roey D wrote:
> I have a server running Azureus to download torrent files. The Azureus
> directory is accessible to other computers using samba.
> Azureus dumps it's completed files with the 644 permissions, making
> them writable only for the owner.
> As far as I looked, Azureus cannot be configured to dump it's files
> with different permissions.
> Is there any way to apply a "Inherited file permissions" on a specific
> directory? (i.e all files created on this folder will have a specific
> permission set, unless specifically changed by some application)
>  I prefer doing this with the classic permission system, rather then using ACLs.

See umask(2), which is also a command-line utility.

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| Parodius Networking                       http://www.parodius.com/ |
| UNIX Systems Administrator                  Mountain View, CA, USA |
| Making life hard for others since 1977.              PGP: 4BD6C0CB |

From darwinian.empire at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 00:49:11 2008
From: darwinian.empire at gmail.com (Roey D)
Date: Tue Nov  4 00:49:18 2008
Subject: Default file permissions
In-Reply-To: <894806.41766.qm@web30801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <894806.41766.qm@web30801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <c9f50ec40811040049md982727q421e7f9d9cb6b52c@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/4 D?nielisz L?szl? <laszlo_danielisz@yahoo.com>:
> Roey, you can do a chron to chmod the downloaded directory.
>

Did you mean using cron?
I'm not very familiar with that, but as far as I know cron jobs can
run at specifc times, not on specifc events.
Creating a cron job that runs every 5 minutes for chmod sounds a bit
like a waste of CPU, and the effect will occur every 5 minutes, not
immidietly when a file is downloaded.
umask command seems to do the trick. Thanks.

Roey
From andy at neu.net  Tue Nov  4 03:34:23 2008
From: andy at neu.net (AN)
Date: Tue Nov  4 03:34:31 2008
Subject: help with MY Book external drive
Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.1.10.0811041056420.94202@neu.net>

I just purchased a WD MY Book external USB disk, I reformatted in UFS and 
created a filesystem with sysinstall.  I was able to put data on it successfully, 
however overnite I had a power failure.  Now I am unable to mount the 
drive.  The blue light is on, so it seems to be getting power but the 
computer does not see it when I plug in the USB cable.  I can not run fsck 
because the system says /dev/da0s1d no such file or directory.  I tried 
da0s1, da0s1c, and da0s1d no luck.  I also tried to plug the disk into 
another machine, same thing the disk is not recognized.  Is it totally 
gone?    Any help to recover this disk would be really appreciated.

TIA
From admin at cpcnw.co.uk  Tue Nov  4 03:39:09 2008
From: admin at cpcnw.co.uk (Graham Bentley)
Date: Tue Nov  4 03:39:18 2008
Subject: Backup Winserver
References: <20081103185727.B57B81065769@hub.freebsd.org>
Message-ID: <05524CE8E23A4A0EA6C5E51F612CC9D7@main>

Hi All,

Is there anyone using Rsync on windows to backup to 
a Linux or FreeBSD server?

Are the Windows Rsync implementations reliable?

Or, how are people doing this? [ftp etc?]

Thanks!
From koitsu at FreeBSD.org  Tue Nov  4 03:42:18 2008
From: koitsu at FreeBSD.org (Jeremy Chadwick)
Date: Tue Nov  4 03:42:24 2008
Subject: help with MY Book external drive
In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.1.10.0811041056420.94202@neu.net>
References: <alpine.BSF.1.10.0811041056420.94202@neu.net>
Message-ID: <20081104114216.GA46686@icarus.home.lan>

On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 11:13:21AM +0000, AN wrote:
> I just purchased a WD MY Book external USB disk, I reformatted in UFS and 
> created a filesystem with sysinstall.  I was able to put data on it 
> successfully, however overnite I had a power failure.  Now I am unable to 
> mount the drive.  The blue light is on, so it seems to be getting power 
> but the computer does not see it when I plug in the USB cable.  I can not 
> run fsck because the system says /dev/da0s1d no such file or directory.  
> I tried da0s1, da0s1c, and da0s1d no luck.  I also tried to plug the disk 
> into another machine, same thing the disk is not recognized.  Is it 
> totally gone?    Any help to recover this disk would be really 
> appreciated.

Possibly, especially if you plug it into another machine and experienced
the same problem.  When you plug the drive in, does the FreeBSD kernel
output anything?  If so, what all does it output?

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| Parodius Networking                       http://www.parodius.com/ |
| UNIX Systems Administrator                  Mountain View, CA, USA |
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From darwinian.empire at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 03:43:24 2008
From: darwinian.empire at gmail.com (Roey D)
Date: Tue Nov  4 03:43:31 2008
Subject: Backup Winserver
In-Reply-To: <05524CE8E23A4A0EA6C5E51F612CC9D7@main>
References: <20081103185727.B57B81065769@hub.freebsd.org>
	<05524CE8E23A4A0EA6C5E51F612CC9D7@main>
Message-ID: <c9f50ec40811040343t45cffbbeg8fdb7d0e59b0856d@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/4 Graham Bentley <admin@cpcnw.co.uk>:
> Hi All,
>
> Is there anyone using Rsync on windows to backup to a Linux or FreeBSD
> server?
>
> Are the Windows Rsync implementations reliable?
>

I used to do that, the windows rsync client (runs on the top of
cygwin) worked well for me.
You can use this package:
http://www.aboutmyip.com/AboutMyXApp/DeltaCopy.jsp
which provides cygwin rsync plus GUI.
The only issue I had is with files with non-latin characters in their
names, in my case, Hebrew.
Once I downloaded the Cygwin UTF-8 dll, which can be found here:
http://www.okisoft.co.jp/esc/utf8-cygwin/
everything seemed to work.
From stupendoussteve at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  4 03:45:15 2008
From: stupendoussteve at hotmail.com (Steven Susbauer)
Date: Tue Nov  4 03:45:24 2008
Subject: virtual consoles on freebsd-7.0-release
Message-ID: <BAY122-F39CEA02908E765FEF920FEBA1C0@phx.gbl>

joeb wrote:
>	When I am in xorg/xfce and do Ctrl+Alt+Fx it does in fact open the 
>selected
>virtual console.
>But I can not find any way to return to the xorg/xfce desktop running in 
>the
>virtual console I left from.
>  Alt+Fx does take me to the virtual console where x11/xfce is suppose to 
>be,
>but puts me in command line mode.
>The command ps ax shows xorg/xfce is still running.
>
>How do I get back to the xorg/xfce desktop running in the virtual console I
>left from?
>
You should be able to get back into Xorg with Alt F7 or F8. Does this
not work?

  Steve


From yuri.pankov at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 03:48:47 2008
From: yuri.pankov at gmail.com (Yuri Pankov)
Date: Tue Nov  4 03:48:54 2008
Subject: virtual consoles on freebsd-7.0-release
In-Reply-To: <BAY122-F39CEA02908E765FEF920FEBA1C0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY122-F39CEA02908E765FEF920FEBA1C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20081104114841.GA1339@darklight.homeunix.org>

On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 05:45:12AM -0600, Steven Susbauer wrote:
> joeb wrote:
>> 	When I am in xorg/xfce and do Ctrl+Alt+Fx it does in fact open the  
>> selected
>> virtual console.
>> But I can not find any way to return to the xorg/xfce desktop running 
>> in the
>> virtual console I left from.
>>  Alt+Fx does take me to the virtual console where x11/xfce is suppose 
>> to be,
>> but puts me in command line mode.
>> The command ps ax shows xorg/xfce is still running.
>>
>> How do I get back to the xorg/xfce desktop running in the virtual console I
>> left from?
>>
> You should be able to get back into Xorg with Alt F7 or F8. Does this
> not work?
>
>  Steve

X usually runs on ttyv8, so it should be Alt+F9.


HTH,
Yuri
From bsam at ipt.ru  Tue Nov  4 03:57:17 2008
From: bsam at ipt.ru (Boris Samorodov)
Date: Tue Nov  4 03:57:24 2008
Subject: garmin forerunner 305
In-Reply-To: <20081103192749.2f35701b@tau.draftnet> (Bruce Cran's message of
	"Mon\, 3 Nov 2008 19\:27\:49 -0800")
References: <f5b896260809040751ka9d42e8nfba3ec0d49305c58@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080904202402.0c245ed2@tau.draftnet>
	<20081103192749.2f35701b@tau.draftnet>
Message-ID: <80794437@bs1.sp34.ru>

Bruce Cran <bruce@cran.org.uk> writes:

> I don't know if it'll work with the usb stack that's in shipping
> version of FreeBSD though, and even with the new stack I had to make a
> change to libgpsusb.c in gpsbabel to get it working.

Can you submit a patch? Thanks!


WBR
-- 
Boris Samorodov (bsam)
Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone & Internet SP
FreeBSD committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve
From wribjr at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 03:58:45 2008
From: wribjr at gmail.com (Wilson Ribeiro)
Date: Tue Nov  4 03:58:51 2008
Subject: Wireless Nic rtl8187se
Message-ID: <740646d0811040327v6a289819t2ef01527fb83b130@mail.gmail.com>

Hi people,

i recently bought a MSI Wind U100x and couldnt configure my wireless nic
because it was not identified, how can i identify my wireless nic?

thanks,


Wilson Ribeiro
Consultor de Tecnologia da Informa??o
e-mail: wribjr@gmail.com
phone: 55 21 34117748
mobile: 55 21 82424280
From andy at neu.net  Tue Nov  4 04:06:07 2008
From: andy at neu.net (AN)
Date: Tue Nov  4 04:06:15 2008
Subject: help with MY Book external drive
In-Reply-To: <20081104114216.GA46686@icarus.home.lan>
References: <alpine.BSF.1.10.0811041056420.94202@neu.net>
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On Tue, 4 Nov 2008, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 11:13:21AM +0000, AN wrote:
>> I just purchased a WD MY Book external USB disk, I reformatted in UFS and
>> created a filesystem with sysinstall.  I was able to put data on it
>> successfully, however overnite I had a power failure.  Now I am unable to
>> mount the drive.  The blue light is on, so it seems to be getting power
>> but the computer does not see it when I plug in the USB cable.  I can not
>> run fsck because the system says /dev/da0s1d no such file or directory.
>> I tried da0s1, da0s1c, and da0s1d no luck.  I also tried to plug the disk
>> into another machine, same thing the disk is not recognized.  Is it
>> totally gone?    Any help to recover this disk would be really
>> appreciated.
>
> Possibly, especially if you plug it into another machine and experienced
> the same problem.  When you plug the drive in, does the FreeBSD kernel
> output anything?  If so, what all does it output?
>
> -- 
> | Jeremy Chadwick                                jdc at parodius.com |
> | Parodius Networking                       http://www.parodius.com/ |
> | UNIX Systems Administrator                  Mountain View, CA, USA |
> | Making life hard for others since 1977.              PGP: 4BD6C0CB |
>

Hi Jeremy:

No messages from the kernel, nothing when I plug it in.  It is not making 
any 'clicking' sounds that you usually get when a drive dies.  I just 
don't get it.  Maybe a power spike crushed it, but if so why is the light 
on?

Thanks
From koitsu at FreeBSD.org  Tue Nov  4 04:19:03 2008
From: koitsu at FreeBSD.org (Jeremy Chadwick)
Date: Tue Nov  4 04:19:10 2008
Subject: help with MY Book external drive
In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.1.10.0811041204220.94202@neu.net>
References: <alpine.BSF.1.10.0811041056420.94202@neu.net>
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	<alpine.BSF.1.10.0811041204220.94202@neu.net>
Message-ID: <20081104121902.GA47280@icarus.home.lan>

On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 12:06:03PM +0000, AN wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 4 Nov 2008, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 11:13:21AM +0000, AN wrote:
>>> I just purchased a WD MY Book external USB disk, I reformatted in UFS and
>>> created a filesystem with sysinstall.  I was able to put data on it
>>> successfully, however overnite I had a power failure.  Now I am unable to
>>> mount the drive.  The blue light is on, so it seems to be getting power
>>> but the computer does not see it when I plug in the USB cable.  I can not
>>> run fsck because the system says /dev/da0s1d no such file or directory.
>>> I tried da0s1, da0s1c, and da0s1d no luck.  I also tried to plug the disk
>>> into another machine, same thing the disk is not recognized.  Is it
>>> totally gone?    Any help to recover this disk would be really
>>> appreciated.
>>
>> Possibly, especially if you plug it into another machine and experienced
>> the same problem.  When you plug the drive in, does the FreeBSD kernel
>> output anything?  If so, what all does it output?
>>
>> -- 
>> | Jeremy Chadwick                                jdc at parodius.com |
>> | Parodius Networking                       http://www.parodius.com/ |
>> | UNIX Systems Administrator                  Mountain View, CA, USA |
>> | Making life hard for others since 1977.              PGP: 4BD6C0CB |
>>
>
> Hi Jeremy:
>
> No messages from the kernel, nothing when I plug it in.

Then chances are the ATA-to-USB or SATA-to-USB controller that is
internal to the hard disk enclosure is dead.

> It is not making any 'clicking' sounds that you usually get when a
> drive dies.

"Clicking" is in no way shape or form "usual" for a drive failure; it's
just one of the hundred ways a drive can fail.  Most drives I've seen in
the past 5 years fail silently.

> I just  don't get it.  Maybe a power spike crushed it, but if so why
> is the light on?

This is really something you should be asking Western Digital.  :-) What
makes you think the power LED is at all related to the hard disk being
functional?  The power LED could be directly wired to the AC power
supply, in which case it just indicates the PSU works, and tells you
nothing about the status of the drive, or the controller that interfaces
with the drive.

Your options as I see them:

1) Call Western Digital and get a replacement MyBook; you will very
likely get a new MyBook, and your old hard disk/data will be gone
permanently,

2) Purchase a replacement MyBook.  Open it up, open yours up, and
swap the hard disks (e.g. your hard disk inside of the new MyBook
enclosure).  This will void your warranty on *both* MyBook products,
but will help determine if just the ATA/SATA-to-USB controller is
shot, or if the hard disk is shot,

3) Open your MyBook up, and remove the hard disk.  Attempt to hook the
disk directly to your PC via ATA or SATA; if it's an ATA 2.5" disk, you
may need to buy an adapter to make it work with standard 40 or 80-pin
IDE ribbon cables (make sure you note which is pin 1!  Some of those
adapters are non-keyed, so you could end up sticking pin 40 where pin 1
is, and destroy the PCB entirely)

I hope this situation has introduced you to the world of backups, and
why they need to be performed regularly.

-- 
| Jeremy Chadwick                                jdc at parodius.com |
| Parodius Networking                       http://www.parodius.com/ |
| UNIX Systems Administrator                  Mountain View, CA, USA |
| Making life hard for others since 1977.              PGP: 4BD6C0CB |

From laszlo_danielisz at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  4 00:08:35 2008
From: laszlo_danielisz at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=E1nielisz_L=E1szl=F3?=)
Date: Tue Nov  4 04:22:55 2008
Subject: Default file permissions
Message-ID: <894806.41766.qm@web30801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Roey, you can do a chron to chmod the downloaded directory.




________________________________
From: Roey D <darwinian.empire@gmail.com>
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2008 9:00:24 AM
Subject: Default file permissions

I have a server running Azureus to download torrent files. The Azureus
directory is accessible to other computers using samba.
Azureus dumps it's completed files with the 644 permissions, making
them writable only for the owner.
As far as I looked, Azureus cannot be configured to dump it's files
with different permissions.
Is there any way to apply a "Inherited file permissions" on a specific
directory? (i.e all files created on this folder will have a specific
permission set, unless specifically changed by some application)
I prefer doing this with the classic permission system, rather then using ACLs.

Thanks,
Roey
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From laszlo_danielisz at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  4 01:55:56 2008
From: laszlo_danielisz at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=E1nielisz_L=E1szl=F3?=)
Date: Tue Nov  4 04:24:03 2008
Subject: Default file permissions
Message-ID: <997366.77664.qm@web30804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Yeah, I meant, cron.
May umask sound better, if you find out the best solution for your issue please let us know :)

Thank you!




________________________________
From: Roey D <darwinian.empire@gmail.com>
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2008 9:49:10 AM
Subject: Re: Default file permissions

2008/11/4 D?nielisz L?szl? <laszlo_danielisz@yahoo.com>:
> Roey, you can do a chron to chmod the downloaded directory.
>

Did you mean using cron?
I'm not very familiar with that, but as far as I know cron jobs can
run at specifc times, not on specifc events.
Creating a cron job that runs every 5 minutes for chmod sounds a bit
like a waste of CPU, and the effect will occur every 5 minutes, not
immidietly when a file is downloaded.
umask command seems to do the trick. Thanks.

Roey
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From ray at txnet.com  Tue Nov  4 02:52:20 2008
From: ray at txnet.com (Alexander Renn)
Date: Tue Nov  4 04:24:26 2008
Subject: Webcam
Message-ID: <e16ca6160811040231k1050d33ex816d742ebf609b49@mail.gmail.com>

Hi guys,

Anyone tried to get the Acer Crystal webcam (SuYin) [0xa103:0x064e] working?
I build the gspca port but it does not support this webcam.
I found that linux UVC driver supports this webcam so I tried to build the
UVC driver using the linux-kmod-compat-20080408 and here is what I got:

[root@purevil /home/hyperwizard/uvc/trunk]# svn checkout
svn://svn.berlios.de/linux-uvc/linux-uvc/trunk

[root@purevil /home/hyperwizard/uvc/trunk]# make -f Makefile.kld
Warning: Object directory not changed from original
/usr/home/hyperwizard/uvc/trunk
cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -DUSB_DEBUG -DGSPCA_ENABLE_DEBUG
-DGSPCA_ENABLE_COMPRESSION -DCONFIG_USB_GSPCA_MODULE=1
-DVID_HARDWARE_GSPCA=0xFF -DGSPCA_VERSION=\"01.00.20\" -D__KERNEL__
-DDRIVER_NAME=uvc -DDEV_NAME=\"video\" -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -std=c99
-nostdinc -ISunplus -ISunplus-jpeg -ISonix -IConexant -IVimicro -Idecoder
-I/usr/local/share/linux-kmod-compat/linux_compat -I. -I@ -I@/contrib/altq
-finline-limit=8000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param
large-function-growth=1000 -fno-common -mno-align-long-strings
-mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow -mno-sse -mno-sse2
-mno-sse3 -ffreestanding -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs
-Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline
-Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -c uvc_ctrl.c
uvc_ctrl.c:19:27: error: linux/uaccess.h: No such file or directory
In file included from uvc_ctrl.c:27:
uvcvideo.h:473: warning: declaration does not declare anything
uvc_ctrl.c: In function 'uvc_entity_match_guid':
uvc_ctrl.c:629: error: 'struct uvc_entity' has no member named 'extension'
uvc_ctrl.c: In function 'uvc_ctrl_get':
uvc_ctrl.c:928: error: 'struct v4l2_ext_control' has no member named 'value'
uvc_ctrl.c:934: error: 'struct v4l2_ext_control' has no member named 'value'
uvc_ctrl.c:935: error: 'struct v4l2_ext_control' has no member named 'value'
uvc_ctrl.c: In function 'uvc_ctrl_set':
uvc_ctrl.c:949: error: 'struct v4l2_ext_control' has no member named 'value'
uvc_ctrl.c: In function 'uvc_xu_ctrl_query':
uvc_ctrl.c:1031: error: 'struct uvc_entity' has no member named 'extension'
uvc_ctrl.c:1031: error: 'struct uvc_entity' has no member named 'extension'
uvc_ctrl.c:1031: error: 'struct uvc_entity' has no member named 'extension'
uvc_ctrl.c:1031: error: 'struct uvc_entity' has no member named 'extension'
uvc_ctrl.c:1031: error: 'struct uvc_entity' has no member named 'extension'
uvc_ctrl.c:1031: error: 'struct uvc_entity' has no member named 'extension'
uvc_ctrl.c:1031: error: 'struct uvc_entity' has no member named 'extension'
uvc_ctrl.c:1031: error: 'struct uvc_entity' has no member named 'extension'
uvc_ctrl.c:1031: error: 'struct uvc_entity' has no member named 'extension'
uvc_ctrl.c:1031: error: 'struct uvc_entity' has no member named 'extension'
uvc_ctrl.c:1031: error: 'struct uvc_entity' has no member named 'extension'
uvc_ctrl.c:1031: error: 'struct uvc_entity' has no member named 'extension'
uvc_ctrl.c:1031: error: 'struct uvc_entity' has no member named 'extension'
uvc_ctrl.c:1031: error: 'struct uvc_entity' has no member named 'extension'
uvc_ctrl.c:1031: error: 'struct uvc_entity' has no member named 'extension'
uvc_ctrl.c:1031: error: 'struct uvc_entity' has no member named 'extension'
uvc_ctrl.c: In function 'uvc_ctrl_init_device':
uvc_ctrl.c:1326: error: 'struct uvc_entity' has no member named 'extension'
uvc_ctrl.c:1327: error: 'struct uvc_entity' has no member named 'extension'
uvc_ctrl.c:1329: error: 'struct uvc_entity' has no member named 'processing'
uvc_ctrl.c:1330: error: 'struct uvc_entity' has no member named 'processing'
uvc_ctrl.c:1332: error: 'struct uvc_entity' has no member named 'camera'
uvc_ctrl.c:1333: error: 'struct uvc_entity' has no member named 'camera'
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/home/hyperwizard/uvc/trunk.

I'd be very grateful for any help.

Best regards,
Zander.
From lists at jnielsen.net  Tue Nov  4 04:59:28 2008
From: lists at jnielsen.net (John Nielsen)
Date: Tue Nov  4 04:59:37 2008
Subject: Backup Winserver
In-Reply-To: <c9f50ec40811040343t45cffbbeg8fdb7d0e59b0856d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081103185727.B57B81065769@hub.freebsd.org>
	<05524CE8E23A4A0EA6C5E51F612CC9D7@main>
	<c9f50ec40811040343t45cffbbeg8fdb7d0e59b0856d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811040759.25518.lists@jnielsen.net>

On Tuesday 04 November 2008 06:43:23 am Roey D wrote:
> 2008/11/4 Graham Bentley <admin@cpcnw.co.uk>:
> > Is there anyone using Rsync on windows to backup to a Linux or
> > FreeBSD server?
> >
> > Are the Windows Rsync implementations reliable?
>
> I used to do that, the windows rsync client (runs on the top of
> cygwin) worked well for me.
> You can use this package:
> http://www.aboutmyip.com/AboutMyXApp/DeltaCopy.jsp
> which provides cygwin rsync plus GUI.
> The only issue I had is with files with non-latin characters in their
> names, in my case, Hebrew.
> Once I downloaded the Cygwin UTF-8 dll, which can be found here:
> http://www.okisoft.co.jp/esc/utf8-cygwin/
> everything seemed to work.

I've done this as well without problem. Look for cwrsync if you don't want 
to bother installing Cygwin yourself. It comes with the rsync tools and 
ssh all ready to go.

JN

From joompz at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 05:10:26 2008
From: joompz at gmail.com (J MPZ)
Date: Tue Nov  4 05:10:33 2008
Subject: Problems with FreeBSD
In-Reply-To: <490FA51F.7010901@datapipe.com>
References: <e56958de0811031643s473b499haa3243de1ed7c278@mail.gmail.com>
	<490FA51F.7010901@datapipe.com>
Message-ID: <e56958de0811040510s494c898fra3ac683392ba2028@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Paul,

When my connections freeze, I open the tcpdump in other terminal. If I type
something, type "Enter", on the terminal frozen, the tcpdump show packets,
like that:

11:18:45.526256 IP (tos 0x0, ttl  51, id 651, offset 0, flags [DF], proto:
TCP (6), length: 112) 189.21.230.195.20787 > 201.57.5.2.2264: P 193:241(48)
ack 0 win 15136 <nop,nop,timestamp 1556398494 745829191,nop,nop,sack 1
{1428:1664}>
11:18:45.625839 IP (tos 0x10, ttl  64, id 23438, offset 0, flags [DF],
proto: TCP (6), length: 52) 201.57.5.2.2264 > 189.21.230.195.20787: ., cksum
0x4d03 (correct), 1664:1664(0) ack 241 win 65535 <nop,nop,timestamp
745898173 1556398494>
11:18:45.707825 IP (tos 0x0, ttl  51, id 652, offset 0, flags [DF], proto:
TCP (6), length: 112) 189.21.230.195.20787 > 201.57.5.2.2264: P 241:289(48)
ack 0 win 15136 <nop,nop,timestamp 1556398704 745829191,nop,nop,sack 1
{1428:1664}>
11:18:45.807839 IP (tos 0x10, ttl  64, id 23493, offset 0, flags [DF],
proto: TCP (6), length: 52) 201.57.5.2.2264 > 189.21.230.195.20787: ., cksum
0x4b4b (correct), 1664:1664(0) ack 289 win 65535 <nop,nop,timestamp
745898355 1556398704>
11:18:45.867181 IP (tos 0x0, ttl  51, id 653, offset 0, flags [DF], proto:
TCP (6), length: 112) 189.21.230.195.20787 > 201.57.5.2.2264: P 289:337(48)
ack 0 win 15136 <nop,nop,timestamp 1556398903 745829191,nop,nop,sack 1
{1428:1664}>
11:18:45.966840 IP (tos 0x10, ttl  64, id 23529, offset 0, flags [DF],
proto: TCP (6), length: 52) 201.57.5.2.2264 > 189.21.230.195.20787: ., cksum
0x49b5 (correct), 1664:1664(0) ack 337 win 65535 <nop,nop,timestamp
745898514 1556398903>

When I executed 'ls' on the terminal frozen, returns this on tcpdump:

11:19:35.738788 IP (tos 0x0, ttl  51, id 654, offset 0, flags [DF], proto:
TCP (6), length: 112) 189.21.230.195.20787 > 201.57.5.2.2264: P 337:385(48)
ack 0 win 15136 <nop,nop,timestamp 1556448796 745829191,nop,nop,sack 1
{1428:1664}>
11:19:35.788428 IP (tos 0x0, ttl  51, id 655, offset 0, flags [DF], proto:
TCP (6), length: 112) 189.21.230.195.20787 > 201.57.5.2.2264: P 385:433(48)
ack 0 win 15136 <nop,nop,timestamp 1556448891 745829191,nop,nop,sack 1
{1428:1664}>
11:19:35.788483 IP (tos 0x10, ttl  64, id 34519, offset 0, flags [DF],
proto: TCP (6), length: 52) 201.57.5.2.2264 > 189.21.230.195.20787: ., cksum
0xc3d4 (correct), 1664:1664(0) ack 433 win 65535 <nop,nop,timestamp
745948332 1556448796>
11:19:36.229773 IP (tos 0x0, ttl  51, id 656, offset 0, flags [DF], proto:
TCP (6), length: 112) 189.21.230.195.20787 > 201.57.5.2.2264: P 433:481(48)
ack 0 win 15136 <nop,nop,timestamp 1556449351 745829191,nop,nop,sack 1
{1428:1664}>
11:19:36.328854 IP (tos 0x10, ttl  64, id 34621, offset 0, flags [DF],
proto: TCP (6), length: 52) 201.57.5.2.2264 > 189.21.230.195.20787: ., cksum
0xbf5c (correct), 1664:1664(0) ack 481 win 65535 <nop,nop,timestamp
745948873 1556449351>

I'm using: tcpdump -nvvv -i ste0 host REMOTE_IP


2008/11/3, Paul A. Procacci <pprocacci@datapipe.com>:
>
> J MPZ wrote:
>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> I have some problem with my FreeBSD server. I have this:
>>
>> #########                                    ###########      #########
>> # Linux1  #  -> ASA  -> Internet  -> # FreeBSD  #  -> # Linux2 #
>> #########                                    ###########      #########
>>
>> If I run a ssh for Linux1 to FreeBSD, my connection freeze when the return
>> of some command is a big text. Example:
>>
>> I make a ssh connection in the from the Linux1 to FreeBSD server, then, I
>> execute some commands, like: 'pwd', 'whoami', 'ls /'... this work
>> perfectly.
>> But, if I run some command that return a big text, like as: 'ls /dev/', or
>> top, my connection freeze.
>>
>> In other terminal, the tcpdump continues showing packets in this
>> connection
>> that was freeze.
>>
>> If I try to access the Linux2, throught FreeBSD (redirect port on natd or
>> redirect port with rinetd), the same thing happens.
>>
>> Is this a problem with FreeBSD? Someone know how I can fix it? Some
>> sysctl?
>>
>> Regards,
>> J.
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>>
> The tcpdump that you say continues showing packets......are the packets
> leaving the freeBSD machine or arriving at the FreeBSD machine.
> My guess is you meant leaving the FreeBSD destined for your linux machine.
>  If this is the case, then the problem most likely lies with the ASA.
> If you monitor the ASA's external interface during your testing, do you see
> packets arriving?  If so, do you see packets leaving the internal interface
> going back to your Linux1 machine?
>
From joompz at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 05:11:15 2008
From: joompz at gmail.com (J MPZ)
Date: Tue Nov  4 05:11:22 2008
Subject: Problems with FreeBSD
In-Reply-To: <20081104013010.GA34643@icarus.home.lan>
References: <e56958de0811031643s473b499haa3243de1ed7c278@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081104013010.GA34643@icarus.home.lan>
Message-ID: <e56958de0811040511x11598fa0ue0d2a70b04c04bb7@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jeremy,

I tried without none rules on ipfw FreeBSD (just "allow ip from any to any")
and error continues occurring.

How I can disable the TCP extensions?

I tried to set this value on this sysctl (sysctl net.inet.tcp.rfc1323=0) but
not work.



2008/11/3, Jeremy Chadwick <koitsu@freebsd.org>:
>
> On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 10:43:52PM -0200, J MPZ wrote:
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > I have some problem with my FreeBSD server. I have this:
> >
> > #########                                    ###########      #########
> > # Linux1  #  -> ASA  -> Internet  -> # FreeBSD  #  -> # Linux2 #
> > #########                                    ###########      #########
> >
> > If I run a ssh for Linux1 to FreeBSD, my connection freeze when the
> return
> > of some command is a big text. Example:
> >
> > I make a ssh connection in the from the Linux1 to FreeBSD server, then, I
> > execute some commands, like: 'pwd', 'whoami', 'ls /'... this work
> perfectly.
> > But, if I run some command that return a big text, like as: 'ls /dev/',
> or
> > top, my connection freeze.
> >
> > In other terminal, the tcpdump continues showing packets in this
> connection
> > that was freeze.
>
> Does the FreeBSD machine run a firewall at all, e.g. pf(4)?
>
> If so, you probably have some rules which are broken.  (I've seen this
> problem on FreeBSD 6.x when using rules which are not correctly
> configured to match initiate state).  Also, if a firewall is in use and
> you're blocking all forms of ICMP, that would impact path MTU discovery.
> Naughty.
>
> You might also try disabling TCP extensions on the FreeBSD box to see if
> it makes any difference.  Note that this can impact performance (large
> TCP window sizes won't be negotiated), but it's worth disabling for a
> test case.
>
> sysctl net.inet.tcp.rfc1323=0
>
> > If I try to access the Linux2, throught FreeBSD (redirect port on natd or
> > redirect port with rinetd), the same thing happens.
> >
> > Is this a problem with FreeBSD? Someone know how I can fix it? Some
> sysctl?
>
> --
> | Jeremy Chadwick                                jdc at parodius.com |
> | Parodius Networking                       http://www.parodius.com/ |
> | UNIX Systems Administrator                  Mountain View, CA, USA |
> | Making life hard for others since 1977.              PGP: 4BD6C0CB |
>
>
From koitsu at FreeBSD.org  Tue Nov  4 05:16:25 2008
From: koitsu at FreeBSD.org (Jeremy Chadwick)
Date: Tue Nov  4 05:16:33 2008
Subject: Problems with FreeBSD
In-Reply-To: <e56958de0811040511x11598fa0ue0d2a70b04c04bb7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e56958de0811031643s473b499haa3243de1ed7c278@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081104013010.GA34643@icarus.home.lan>
	<e56958de0811040511x11598fa0ue0d2a70b04c04bb7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081104131623.GA48594@icarus.home.lan>

On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 11:11:15AM -0200, J MPZ wrote:
> Hi Jeremy,
> 
> I tried without none rules on ipfw FreeBSD (just "allow ip from any to any")
> and error continues occurring.

Then I have no idea.

> How I can disable the TCP extensions?
> 
> I tried to set this value on this sysctl (sysctl net.inet.tcp.rfc1323=0) but
> not work.

Setting the sysctl to 0 disables TCP extesnsions.

But by "not work" do you mean "it didn't solve the problem", or "setting the
sysctl failed"?  I think you mean "it didn't solve the problem", in
which case, it's not the source of the problem.

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| UNIX Systems Administrator                  Mountain View, CA, USA |
| Making life hard for others since 1977.              PGP: 4BD6C0CB |

From joompz at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 05:18:25 2008
From: joompz at gmail.com (J MPZ)
Date: Tue Nov  4 05:18:33 2008
Subject: Problems with FreeBSD
In-Reply-To: <20081104131623.GA48594@icarus.home.lan>
References: <e56958de0811031643s473b499haa3243de1ed7c278@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081104013010.GA34643@icarus.home.lan>
	<e56958de0811040511x11598fa0ue0d2a70b04c04bb7@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081104131623.GA48594@icarus.home.lan>
Message-ID: <e56958de0811040518q106ca147yb027971a123a4c23@mail.gmail.com>

Jeremy,

2008/11/4, Jeremy Chadwick <koitsu@freebsd.org>:
>
> On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 11:11:15AM -0200, J MPZ wrote:
> > Hi Jeremy,
> >
> > I tried without none rules on ipfw FreeBSD (just "allow ip from any to
> any")
> > and error continues occurring.
>
> Then I have no idea.
>
> > How I can disable the TCP extensions?
> >
> > I tried to set this value on this sysctl (sysctl net.inet.tcp.rfc1323=0)
> but
> > not work.
>
> Setting the sysctl to 0 disables TCP extesnsions.
>
> But by "not work" do you mean "it didn't solve the problem", or "setting
> the
> sysctl failed"?  I think you mean "it didn't solve the problem", in
> which case, it's not the source of the problem.


It didn't solve the problem. :-/

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> | Jeremy Chadwick                                jdc at parodius.com |
> | Parodius Networking                       http://www.parodius.com/ |
> | UNIX Systems Administrator                  Mountain View, CA, USA |
> | Making life hard for others since 1977.              PGP: 4BD6C0CB |
>
>
From rvm at CBORD.com  Tue Nov  4 05:31:02 2008
From: rvm at CBORD.com (Bob McConnell)
Date: Tue Nov  4 05:31:09 2008
Subject: garmin forerunner 305
In-Reply-To: <20081103192749.2f35701b@tau.draftnet>
References: <f5b896260809040751ka9d42e8nfba3ec0d49305c58@mail.gmail.com><20080904202402.0c245ed2@tau.draftnet>
	<20081103192749.2f35701b@tau.draftnet>
Message-ID: <FF8482A96323694490C194BABEAC24A0037A29A8@Email.cbord.com>

On Behalf Of Bruce Cran
> On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 20:24:02 +0100
> Bruce Cran <bruce@cran.org.uk> wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:51:33 -0300
>> "Joey Mingrone" <joey@mingrone.org> wrote:
>> 
>> > Has anyone had any success collecting data from a Garmin Forerunner
>> > 305?
>> > 
>> > When I connect the device I see the kernel messages:
>> > Sep  4 11:39:22 jrm root: Unknown USB device: vendor 0x091e product
>> > 0x0003 bus uhub1
>> > Sep  4 11:39:22 jrm kernel: ugen0: <vendor 0x091e product 0x0003,
>> > class 255/255, rev 1.10/0.01, addr 2> on uhub1
>> > 
>> > The documentation for the port astro/GPSMan seems to indicate it
>> > supports this model, but I haven't had any luck.
>> > 
>> > % uname -a
>> > FreeBSD xxx.xxx 7.0-RELEASE-p1 FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE-p1 #3: Thu Jun
12
>> > 18:47:50 ADT 2008     root@xxx.xxx:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/xxx  i386
>> 
>> Unfortunately Garmin use their own protocol for communicating between
>> the GPS and the PC.  Under Linux it's supported by the garmin_gps
>> driver but there's no equivalent for FreeBSD yet.
>> 
> 
> Sorry, it turns out that's wrong: the gpsbabel developers recommend
not
> using garmin_gps because apparently it often doesn't work.  Instead
> they recommend using gpsbabel's 'garmin' input/output format.  It
> interfaces to the device using libusb - which, fortunately for us runs
> on FreeBSD! I've just successfully read back GPS data into a GPX file
> using gpsbabel on FreeBSD 8-CURRENT and the 'usb2' usb stack. 
> 
> I don't know if it'll work with the usb stack that's in shipping
> version of FreeBSD though, and even with the new stack I had to make a
> change to libgpsusb.c in gpsbabel to get it working.

The best way to help fix these problems are:

A) Submit a patch for the changes you made.

B) Contact the maintainers and provide them with all of the details,
what you found, what didn't work, what you modified and the final
results. If you have traces or data captures, they may want to see them.
They can't fix problems they don't understand. If they don't have access
to that hardware, or something similar, they might even ask you to do
some experiments for them to extend their knowledge. All of that will
help them improve the quality of future releases.

Bob McConnell
From joeb at a1poweruser.com  Tue Nov  4 05:44:41 2008
From: joeb at a1poweruser.com (joeb)
Date: Tue Nov  4 05:44:49 2008
Subject: virtual consoles on freebsd-7.0-release
In-Reply-To: <20081104114841.GA1339@darklight.homeunix.org>
Message-ID: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBGEIACMAA.joeb@a1poweruser.com>

	I logon from F2 as root and then startx.
I believe F9 only works if you use the xorg logon session control.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Yuri Pankov
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 7:49 PM
To: Steven Susbauer
Cc: joeb@a1poweruser.com; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: virtual consoles on freebsd-7.0-release

On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 05:45:12AM -0600, Steven Susbauer wrote:
> joeb wrote:
>>      When I am in xorg/xfce and do Ctrl+Alt+Fx it does in fact open the
>> selected
>> virtual console.
>> But I can not find any way to return to the xorg/xfce desktop running
>> in the
>> virtual console I left from.
>>  Alt+Fx does take me to the virtual console where x11/xfce is suppose
>> to be,
>> but puts me in command line mode.
>> The command ps ax shows xorg/xfce is still running.
>>
>> How do I get back to the xorg/xfce desktop running in the virtual console
I
>> left from?
>>
> You should be able to get back into Xorg with Alt F7 or F8. Does this
> not work?
>
>  Steve

X usually runs on ttyv8, so it should be Alt+F9.


HTH,
Yuri
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From keramida at ceid.upatras.gr  Tue Nov  4 05:51:22 2008
From: keramida at ceid.upatras.gr (Giorgos Keramidas)
Date: Tue Nov  4 05:51:43 2008
Subject: help with MY Book external drive
In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.1.10.0811041056420.94202@neu.net> (AN's message of
	"Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:13:21 +0000 (GMT)")
References: <alpine.BSF.1.10.0811041056420.94202@neu.net>
Message-ID: <87r65rvbud.fsf@kobe.laptop>

On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:13:21 +0000 (GMT), AN <andy@neu.net> wrote:
> I just purchased a WD MY Book external USB disk, I reformatted in UFS
> and created a filesystem with sysinstall.  I was able to put data on
> it successfully, however overnite I had a power failure.  Now I am
> unable to mount the drive.  The blue light is on, so it seems to be
> getting power but the computer does not see it when I plug in the USB
> cable.  I can not run fsck because the system says /dev/da0s1d no such
> file or directory.  I tried da0s1, da0s1c, and da0s1d no luck.  I also
> tried to plug the disk into another machine, same thing the disk is
> not recognized.  Is it totally gone?  Any help to recover this disk
> would be really appreciated.

Do you see _anything_ in `/var/log/messages' when you attach the disk to
your FreeBSD system?

When I attach a local MyBook I have with a USB cable, `/var/log/messages'
shows:

kernel: umass0: <Western Digital My Book, class 0/0, rev 2.00/10.28, addr 2> on uhub6
root: Unknown USB device: vendor 0x1058 product 0x1102 bus uhub6
kernel: umass0: Get Max Lun not supported (STALLED)
kernel: uhid0: <Western Digital My Book, class 0/0, rev 2.00/10.28, addr 2> on uhub6
kernel: da0 at umass-sim0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0
kernel: da0: <WD My Book 1028> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-4 device 
kernel: da0: 40.000MB/s transfers
kernel: da0: 476940MB (976773168 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 60801C)

From alex34live at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 05:52:26 2008
From: alex34live at gmail.com (Alex Zhang)
Date: Tue Nov  4 05:52:34 2008
Subject: how much memory can be support in FreeBSD system?
Message-ID: <F02404077B4842A895E90FB6BE19484E@inb>

Hi buddy.

 

I'm a new comer and want to configure a Virtual server base on UNIX. The
safe, steady and easy for maintenance is needed. 

Approximately 8GB memory will be mounted. Can anyone tell me how much memory
can be supported in FreeBSD?

Thanks.

 

BR

Alex 

 

From fbsd1 at a1poweruser.com  Tue Nov  4 05:53:14 2008
From: fbsd1 at a1poweruser.com (FBSD1)
Date: Tue Nov  4 05:53:23 2008
Subject: xfce decktop time display
Message-ID: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBAEIBCMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>

Using Xfce4 and the time is displayed in military time 2200.
Want to change this to regular AM/PM displayed time. 10pm
Been through the manual and all the menus and can not find knob to change
the time setting.

Thanks for any help you can give.

From koitsu at FreeBSD.org  Tue Nov  4 05:57:41 2008
From: koitsu at FreeBSD.org (Jeremy Chadwick)
Date: Tue Nov  4 05:57:48 2008
Subject: how much memory can be support in FreeBSD system?
In-Reply-To: <F02404077B4842A895E90FB6BE19484E@inb>
References: <F02404077B4842A895E90FB6BE19484E@inb>
Message-ID: <20081104135740.GA49361@icarus.home.lan>

On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 09:52:20PM +0800, Alex Zhang wrote:
> I'm a new comer and want to configure a Virtual server base on UNIX. The
> safe, steady and easy for maintenance is needed. 
> 
> Approximately 8GB memory will be mounted. Can anyone tell me how much memory
> can be supported in FreeBSD?

On 64-bit FreeBSD (what's called "amd64", but is not specific to AMD
CPUs; don't let the name mislead you), you should be able to use up
to 1TB of memory.

On 32-bit FreeBSD (what's called i386), you can use up to 4GB (but
once you surpass ~3GB, you'll only see ~3.25GB usable; this is not
a FreeBSD problem, it's an x86 design thing).

On 32-bit FreeBSD, you can use what's called PAE mode to increase
that 4GB limit to 64GB, but there are repercussions to using PAE
(read the Wikipedia article).  There are also numerous drivers on
FreeBSD which do not work in PAE mode.

If at all possible, make sure your processor works in 64-bit mode
and go with amd64.

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| Parodius Networking                       http://www.parodius.com/ |
| UNIX Systems Administrator                  Mountain View, CA, USA |
| Making life hard for others since 1977.              PGP: 4BD6C0CB |

From darwinian.empire at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 06:02:26 2008
From: darwinian.empire at gmail.com (Roey Dror)
Date: Tue Nov  4 06:02:33 2008
Subject: GDM login without using a password
Message-ID: <c9f50ec40811040602h15b0ae36uf234b7b53ea81f28@mail.gmail.com>

I've searched around the internet for a way to allow a user to login
into GDM without using a password.
I know that GDM has an automatic login feature, but that's not what I'm looking.
I really do not wish to create a user with an empty password, in order
not to compromise the entire system security.
I found a mini-HOWTO which suggests using the pam_filelist module.
Unfortunately, I couldn't find this module in the ports system.

Is there any other way to allow this user to login without using a
password only using GDM?

-- 
Roey
From dudu.meyer at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 06:12:52 2008
From: dudu.meyer at gmail.com (Eduardo Meyer)
Date: Tue Nov  4 06:13:04 2008
Subject: Disk top usage PIDs
Message-ID: <d3ea75b30811040612g3ba10a8fuf5551b730176acc2@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I have some serious issue. Sometimes something happens and my disk
usage performance find its limit quickly. I follow with gstat and
iostat -xw1, and everything usually happens just fine, with %b around
20 and 0 to 1 pending i/o request. Suddely I get 30, 40 pending
requests and %b is always on 100% (or more than this).

fstat and lsof gives me no hint, because the type of programs as well
as the amount of 'em is just the same.

How can I find the PID which is hammering my disk? Is there an "iotop"
or "disktop" tool or something alike?

Its a mail server. I have pop3, imap, I also have maildrop and
sometimes, httpd, working around the busiest mount point.

I have also started AUDIT, however all I can get are the top PIDs
which issue read/write requests. Not the requests which take longer to
perform (the busiest ones), or should I look for some special audit
class or event other than open, read and write?

Thank you in advance.

-- 
===========
Eduardo Meyer
pessoal: dudu.meyer@gmail.com
profissional: ddm.farmaciap@saude.gov.br
From craig001 at lerwick.hopto.org  Tue Nov  4 06:16:38 2008
From: craig001 at lerwick.hopto.org (Craig Butler)
Date: Tue Nov  4 06:16:46 2008
Subject: GDM login without using a password
In-Reply-To: <c9f50ec40811040602h15b0ae36uf234b7b53ea81f28@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c9f50ec40811040602h15b0ae36uf234b7b53ea81f28@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1225808192.3407.16.camel@main.lerwick.hopto.org>



On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 16:02 +0200, Roey Dror wrote:
> I've searched around the internet for a way to allow a user to login
> into GDM without using a password.
> I know that GDM has an automatic login feature, but that's not what I'm looking.
> I really do not wish to create a user with an empty password, in order
> not to compromise the entire system security.
> I found a mini-HOWTO which suggests using the pam_filelist module.
> Unfortunately, I couldn't find this module in the ports system.
> 
> Is there any other way to allow this user to login without using a
> password only using GDM?
> 

AFAIK the automatic login feature allows you to nominate a user to
automatically log in as... it doesn't ask for the password but I think
one can be set (so it doesn't need to be empty).  Automatic login is a
security risk in its self, the cracker is already one step closer.

It is all controlled through gdmsetup.

Regards

Craig B



From 4711 at chello.at  Tue Nov  4 06:22:13 2008
From: 4711 at chello.at (Christian Hiris)
Date: Tue Nov  4 06:22:20 2008
Subject: xfce decktop time display
In-Reply-To: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBAEIBCMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>
References: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBAEIBCMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>
Message-ID: <200811041522.08398.4711@chello.at>

On Tuesday 04 November 2008, FBSD1 wrote:
> Using Xfce4 and the time is displayed in military time 2200.
> Want to change this to regular AM/PM displayed time. 10pm
> Been through the manual and all the menus and can not find knob to change
> the time setting.
>
> Thanks for any help you can give.

Maybe the clock.rc file is from an old installation/version.
You can remove ande re-add the clock via gui or edit the clock.rc file by 
hand. Simply set the military option to value false. HTH!

$ cat ~/.config/xfce4/panel/clock*.rc
mode=1
military=false 
ampm=true
secs=true
show_frame=false

Cheers,
ch

-- 
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OpenPGP-Key at hkp://wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net and http://pgp.mit.edu
From dudu.meyer at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 06:27:37 2008
From: dudu.meyer at gmail.com (Eduardo Meyer)
Date: Tue Nov  4 06:27:44 2008
Subject: Disk top usage PIDs
In-Reply-To: <20081104091801.ff0297b0.wmoran@potentialtech.com>
References: <d3ea75b30811040612g3ba10a8fuf5551b730176acc2@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081104091801.ff0297b0.wmoran@potentialtech.com>
Message-ID: <d3ea75b30811040627h29a4c65tc25f04e1f28ea31@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Bill Moran <wmoran@potentialtech.com> wrote:
> In response to "Eduardo Meyer" <dudu.meyer@gmail.com>:
>>
>> I have some serious issue. Sometimes something happens and my disk
>> usage performance find its limit quickly. I follow with gstat and
>> iostat -xw1, and everything usually happens just fine, with %b around
>> 20 and 0 to 1 pending i/o request. Suddely I get 30, 40 pending
>> requests and %b is always on 100% (or more than this).
>>
>> fstat and lsof gives me no hint, because the type of programs as well
>> as the amount of 'em is just the same.
>>
>> How can I find the PID which is hammering my disk? Is there an "iotop"
>> or "disktop" tool or something alike?
>
> top -m io -o total

Great, thats exactly what I was looking for, thank you a lot Mr Moran.

>
> --
> Bill Moran
> http://www.potentialtech.com
>



-- 
===========
Eduardo Meyer
pessoal: dudu.meyer@gmail.com
profissional: ddm.farmaciap@saude.gov.br
From darwinian.empire at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 06:32:30 2008
From: darwinian.empire at gmail.com (Roey Dror)
Date: Tue Nov  4 06:32:37 2008
Subject: GDM login without using a password
In-Reply-To: <1225808192.3407.16.camel@main.lerwick.hopto.org>
References: <c9f50ec40811040602h15b0ae36uf234b7b53ea81f28@mail.gmail.com>
	<1225808192.3407.16.camel@main.lerwick.hopto.org>
Message-ID: <c9f50ec40811040632p203864c1h3432a1e60d4828fe@mail.gmail.com>

> AFAIK the automatic login feature allows you to nominate a user to
> automatically log in as... it doesn't ask for the password but I think
> one can be set (so it doesn't need to be empty).

As I said, the automatic login feature is not what I'm looking for.
I need to set up more than one user that is able to login without a password.
The computer is a home computer, so local security is not an issue.

-- 
Roey
From Johan at double-l.nl  Tue Nov  4 06:36:53 2008
From: Johan at double-l.nl (Johan Hendriks)
Date: Tue Nov  4 06:37:00 2008
Subject: Slow swith between console (ALT - Fx) proliant DL160
Message-ID: <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE207@w2003s01.double-l.local>

Hello all
I have a small issue when i switch between my console?s on a proliant DL160 G5 machine.
It has a time gap from around 1 to 2 seconds and then it will switch to the next console after pressing ALT - F2

 

Do I need to set something in my loader.conf or sysctl.conf?

 

I use 7.1-PRERELEASE as of today.

I installed 7.1 Beta2 and it has this from the start.

 

 

Regards,

Johan Hendriks




 

From wmoran at potentialtech.com  Tue Nov  4 06:37:57 2008
From: wmoran at potentialtech.com (Bill Moran)
Date: Tue Nov  4 06:38:44 2008
Subject: Disk top usage PIDs
In-Reply-To: <d3ea75b30811040612g3ba10a8fuf5551b730176acc2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d3ea75b30811040612g3ba10a8fuf5551b730176acc2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081104091801.ff0297b0.wmoran@potentialtech.com>

In response to "Eduardo Meyer" <dudu.meyer@gmail.com>:
> 
> I have some serious issue. Sometimes something happens and my disk
> usage performance find its limit quickly. I follow with gstat and
> iostat -xw1, and everything usually happens just fine, with %b around
> 20 and 0 to 1 pending i/o request. Suddely I get 30, 40 pending
> requests and %b is always on 100% (or more than this).
> 
> fstat and lsof gives me no hint, because the type of programs as well
> as the amount of 'em is just the same.
> 
> How can I find the PID which is hammering my disk? Is there an "iotop"
> or "disktop" tool or something alike?

top -m io -o total

-- 
Bill Moran
http://www.potentialtech.com
From keramida at ceid.upatras.gr  Tue Nov  4 06:42:16 2008
From: keramida at ceid.upatras.gr (Giorgos Keramidas)
Date: Tue Nov  4 06:42:24 2008
Subject: Problems with FreeBSD
In-Reply-To: <e56958de0811040510s494c898fra3ac683392ba2028@mail.gmail.com>
	(J. MPZ's message of "Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:10:25 -0200")
References: <e56958de0811031643s473b499haa3243de1ed7c278@mail.gmail.com>
	<490FA51F.7010901@datapipe.com>
	<e56958de0811040510s494c898fra3ac683392ba2028@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87mygfv9hi.fsf@kobe.laptop>

On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:10:25 -0200, "J MPZ" <joompz@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> When my connections freeze, I open the tcpdump in other terminal. If I type
> something, type "Enter", on the terminal frozen, the tcpdump show packets,
> like that:
>
> 11:18:45.526256 IP (tos 0x0, ttl  51, id 651, offset 0, flags [DF], proto:
> TCP (6), length: 112) 189.21.230.195.20787 > 201.57.5.2.2264: P 193:241(48)
> ack 0 win 15136 <nop,nop,timestamp 1556398494 745829191,nop,nop,sack 1
> {1428:1664}>
[...]

> I'm using: tcpdump -nvvv -i ste0 host REMOTE_IP

Can you try capturing the connection setup packets, so we can look at
the TCP MSS negotiation values?  Starting TCPDUMP *before* one of the
connections that stall is made should capture that.

There may be an intermediate router or firewall that blocks ICMP and
ends up breaking path MTU discovery.  I've seen TCP connections
'stall' when path-mtu was broken by a setup like this and one of the
intermediate routers started dropping TCP packets that were too large
for one of its interfaces.

From koitsu at FreeBSD.org  Tue Nov  4 06:42:50 2008
From: koitsu at FreeBSD.org (Jeremy Chadwick)
Date: Tue Nov  4 06:42:57 2008
Subject: Slow swith between console (ALT - Fx) proliant DL160
In-Reply-To: <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE207@w2003s01.double-l.local>
References: <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE207@w2003s01.double-l.local>
Message-ID: <20081104144246.GA50265@icarus.home.lan>

On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 03:36:51PM +0100, Johan Hendriks wrote:
> Hello all
> I have a small issue when i switch between my console?s on a proliant DL160 G5 machine.
> It has a time gap from around 1 to 2 seconds and then it will switch to the next console after pressing ALT - F2
> 
> Do I need to set something in my loader.conf or sysctl.conf?

Chances are you're using a USB keyboard.  Place the following in
/boot/loader.conf and reboot the machine:

hint.kbdmux.0.disabled="1"

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| Parodius Networking                       http://www.parodius.com/ |
| UNIX Systems Administrator                  Mountain View, CA, USA |
| Making life hard for others since 1977.              PGP: 4BD6C0CB |

From Johan at double-l.nl  Tue Nov  4 06:48:58 2008
From: Johan at double-l.nl (Johan Hendriks)
Date: Tue Nov  4 06:49:05 2008
Subject: Slow swith between console (ALT - Fx) proliant DL160
References: <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE207@w2003s01.double-l.local>
	<20081104144246.GA50265@icarus.home.lan>
Message-ID: <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE208@w2003s01.double-l.local>



>>Onderwerp: Re: Slow swith between console (ALT - Fx) proliant DL160

On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 03:36:51PM +0100, Johan Hendriks wrote:
>> Hello all
>> I have a small issue when i switch between my console?s on a proliant DL160 G5 machine.
>> It has a time gap from around 1 to 2 seconds and then it will switch to the next console after pressing ALT - F2
>> 
>> Do I need to set something in my loader.conf or sysctl.conf?

>Chances are you're using a USB keyboard.  Place the following in
>/boot/loader.conf and reboot the machine:
>
>hint.kbdmux.0.disabled="1"


No i have a normal ps/2 keyboard connected to it.

Regards,
Johan Hendriks

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From dudu.meyer at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 06:49:43 2008
From: dudu.meyer at gmail.com (Eduardo Meyer)
Date: Tue Nov  4 06:49:50 2008
Subject: Disk top usage PIDs
In-Reply-To: <d3ea75b30811040627h29a4c65tc25f04e1f28ea31@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d3ea75b30811040612g3ba10a8fuf5551b730176acc2@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081104091801.ff0297b0.wmoran@potentialtech.com>
	<d3ea75b30811040627h29a4c65tc25f04e1f28ea31@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d3ea75b30811040649i11e3a314ud35667ea193ce9a@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 12:27 PM, Eduardo Meyer <dudu.meyer@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Bill Moran <wmoran@potentialtech.com> wrote:
>> In response to "Eduardo Meyer" <dudu.meyer@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> I have some serious issue. Sometimes something happens and my disk
>>> usage performance find its limit quickly. I follow with gstat and
>>> iostat -xw1, and everything usually happens just fine, with %b around
>>> 20 and 0 to 1 pending i/o request. Suddely I get 30, 40 pending
>>> requests and %b is always on 100% (or more than this).
>>>
>>> fstat and lsof gives me no hint, because the type of programs as well
>>> as the amount of 'em is just the same.
>>>
>>> How can I find the PID which is hammering my disk? Is there an "iotop"
>>> or "disktop" tool or something alike?
>>
>> top -m io -o total
>
> Great, thats exactly what I was looking for, thank you a lot Mr Moran.

I see syncer (40%) and bufaemon (10%) and after that, imapd. The first
ones are kernel PIDs (36 and 37).

    PID USERNAME   VCSW  IVCSW   READ  WRITE  FAULT  TOTAL PERCENT COMMAND
     36 root          2      2      0     31      0     31  40.79% bufdaemon
     37 root          2      2      0     16      0     16  21.05% syncer
71501 vmail         4      0      0      0      0      0   12.00% imapd

I guess it a symptom of some hardware problems, kernel itself is not
supposed to do this many I/O, right?

Sometimes PID 39, softdepflush, is always on top 3.


-- 
===========
Eduardo Meyer
pessoal: dudu.meyer@gmail.com
profissional: ddm.farmaciap@saude.gov.br
From mail at ozzmosis.com  Tue Nov  4 06:53:48 2008
From: mail at ozzmosis.com (andrew clarke)
Date: Tue Nov  4 06:53:59 2008
Subject: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In
In-Reply-To: <47BB6151991A555176831AB5@ganymede.hub.org>
References: <47BB6151991A555176831AB5@ganymede.hub.org>
Message-ID: <20081104145343.GA84440@ozzmosis.com>

On Mon 2008-11-03 18:33:57 UTC-0400, Marc G. Fournier (scrappy@hub.org) wrote:

> For FreeBSD users, you just need to install /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats 
> to set things up.

I stopped using bsdstats after it caused my FreeBSD router to take too
long to boot up after a reboot.  If I recall correctly, I had
bsdstats_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf and after the reboot bsdstats
was called before ppp was able to start, so it couldn't connect to the
bsdstats server.  On the other hand this was a while ago and I am
going by memory, so I may be wrong about what happened or it was just
a coincidence.  At the time I was more interested in getting the
router running so I didn't really care for debugging what was going
on.  I realise this is a bit of a vague bug report, so feel free to
ignore it.

Regards
Andrew
From wmoran at potentialtech.com  Tue Nov  4 06:55:10 2008
From: wmoran at potentialtech.com (Bill Moran)
Date: Tue Nov  4 06:55:17 2008
Subject: Disk top usage PIDs
In-Reply-To: <d3ea75b30811040649i11e3a314ud35667ea193ce9a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d3ea75b30811040612g3ba10a8fuf5551b730176acc2@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081104091801.ff0297b0.wmoran@potentialtech.com>
	<d3ea75b30811040627h29a4c65tc25f04e1f28ea31@mail.gmail.com>
	<d3ea75b30811040649i11e3a314ud35667ea193ce9a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081104095508.f231a7e2.wmoran@potentialtech.com>

In response to "Eduardo Meyer" <dudu.meyer@gmail.com>:

> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 12:27 PM, Eduardo Meyer <dudu.meyer@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Bill Moran <wmoran@potentialtech.com> wrote:
> >> In response to "Eduardo Meyer" <dudu.meyer@gmail.com>:
> >>>
> >>> I have some serious issue. Sometimes something happens and my disk
> >>> usage performance find its limit quickly. I follow with gstat and
> >>> iostat -xw1, and everything usually happens just fine, with %b around
> >>> 20 and 0 to 1 pending i/o request. Suddely I get 30, 40 pending
> >>> requests and %b is always on 100% (or more than this).
> >>>
> >>> fstat and lsof gives me no hint, because the type of programs as well
> >>> as the amount of 'em is just the same.
> >>>
> >>> How can I find the PID which is hammering my disk? Is there an "iotop"
> >>> or "disktop" tool or something alike?
> >>
> >> top -m io -o total
> >
> > Great, thats exactly what I was looking for, thank you a lot Mr Moran.
> 
> I see syncer (40%) and bufaemon (10%) and after that, imapd. The first
> ones are kernel PIDs (36 and 37).
> 
>     PID USERNAME   VCSW  IVCSW   READ  WRITE  FAULT  TOTAL PERCENT COMMAND
>      36 root          2      2      0     31      0     31  40.79% bufdaemon
>      37 root          2      2      0     16      0     16  21.05% syncer
> 71501 vmail         4      0      0      0      0      0   12.00% imapd
> 
> I guess it a symptom of some hardware problems, kernel itself is not
> supposed to do this many I/O, right?
> 
> Sometimes PID 39, softdepflush, is always on top 3.

Off the top of my head, it looks like you're exceeding what the hardware
can do.  What kind of disks do you have in that system?  It may be time
to get faster disks or expand to a high-performance RAID setup.

-- 
Bill Moran
http://www.potentialtech.com
From koitsu at FreeBSD.org  Tue Nov  4 06:55:35 2008
From: koitsu at FreeBSD.org (Jeremy Chadwick)
Date: Tue Nov  4 06:55:42 2008
Subject: Slow swith between console (ALT - Fx) proliant DL160
In-Reply-To: <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE208@w2003s01.double-l.local>
References: <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE207@w2003s01.double-l.local>
	<20081104144246.GA50265@icarus.home.lan>
	<57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE208@w2003s01.double-l.local>
Message-ID: <20081104145533.GA50581@icarus.home.lan>

On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 03:48:57PM +0100, Johan Hendriks wrote:
> 
> 
> >>Onderwerp: Re: Slow swith between console (ALT - Fx) proliant DL160
> 
> On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 03:36:51PM +0100, Johan Hendriks wrote:
> >> Hello all
> >> I have a small issue when i switch between my console?s on a proliant DL160 G5 machine.
> >> It has a time gap from around 1 to 2 seconds and then it will switch to the next console after pressing ALT - F2
> >> 
> >> Do I need to set something in my loader.conf or sysctl.conf?
> 
> >Chances are you're using a USB keyboard.  Place the following in
> >/boot/loader.conf and reboot the machine:
> >
> >hint.kbdmux.0.disabled="1"
> 
> 
> No i have a normal ps/2 keyboard connected to it.

Try the above anyway.  There are known problems (and LORs) in kbdmux.

-- 
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| Parodius Networking                       http://www.parodius.com/ |
| UNIX Systems Administrator                  Mountain View, CA, USA |
| Making life hard for others since 1977.              PGP: 4BD6C0CB |

From dudu.meyer at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 07:02:10 2008
From: dudu.meyer at gmail.com (Eduardo Meyer)
Date: Tue Nov  4 07:02:17 2008
Subject: Disk top usage PIDs
In-Reply-To: <20081104095508.f231a7e2.wmoran@potentialtech.com>
References: <d3ea75b30811040612g3ba10a8fuf5551b730176acc2@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081104091801.ff0297b0.wmoran@potentialtech.com>
	<d3ea75b30811040627h29a4c65tc25f04e1f28ea31@mail.gmail.com>
	<d3ea75b30811040649i11e3a314ud35667ea193ce9a@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081104095508.f231a7e2.wmoran@potentialtech.com>
Message-ID: <d3ea75b30811040702g18391b9by2ccd8f3e414e72cf@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Bill Moran <wmoran@potentialtech.com> wrote:
> In response to "Eduardo Meyer" <dudu.meyer@gmail.com>:
>
>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 12:27 PM, Eduardo Meyer <dudu.meyer@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Bill Moran <wmoran@potentialtech.com> wrote:
>> >> In response to "Eduardo Meyer" <dudu.meyer@gmail.com>:
>> >>>
>> >>> I have some serious issue. Sometimes something happens and my disk
>> >>> usage performance find its limit quickly. I follow with gstat and
>> >>> iostat -xw1, and everything usually happens just fine, with %b around
>> >>> 20 and 0 to 1 pending i/o request. Suddely I get 30, 40 pending
>> >>> requests and %b is always on 100% (or more than this).
>> >>>
>> >>> fstat and lsof gives me no hint, because the type of programs as well
>> >>> as the amount of 'em is just the same.
>> >>>
>> >>> How can I find the PID which is hammering my disk? Is there an "iotop"
>> >>> or "disktop" tool or something alike?
>> >>
>> >> top -m io -o total
>> >
>> > Great, thats exactly what I was looking for, thank you a lot Mr Moran.
>>
>> I see syncer (40%) and bufaemon (10%) and after that, imapd. The first
>> ones are kernel PIDs (36 and 37).
>>
>>     PID USERNAME   VCSW  IVCSW   READ  WRITE  FAULT  TOTAL PERCENT COMMAND
>>      36 root          2      2      0     31      0     31  40.79% bufdaemon
>>      37 root          2      2      0     16      0     16  21.05% syncer
>> 71501 vmail         4      0      0      0      0      0   12.00% imapd
>>
>> I guess it a symptom of some hardware problems, kernel itself is not
>> supposed to do this many I/O, right?
>>
>> Sometimes PID 39, softdepflush, is always on top 3.
>
> Off the top of my head, it looks like you're exceeding what the hardware
> can do.  What kind of disks do you have in that system?  It may be time
> to get faster disks or expand to a high-performance RAID setup.

Its a:

Master:  ad4 <Hitachi HDP725050GLA360/GM4OA52A> Serial ATA II

I still think its a hw (disk or controller) problem.

I have raised the following:

kern.filedelay=90
kern.dirdelay=90
kern.metadelay=90

Now, my disk usage is back to 30%




>
> --
> Bill Moran
> http://www.potentialtech.com
>



-- 
===========
Eduardo Meyer
pessoal: dudu.meyer@gmail.com
profissional: ddm.farmaciap@saude.gov.br
From kuku at kukulies.org  Tue Nov  4 07:03:31 2008
From: kuku at kukulies.org (Christoph Kukulies)
Date: Tue Nov  4 07:03:38 2008
Subject: 7.1-BETA2 installation on ASUS P4S8X fails BIG MEDIUM ERROR
Message-ID: <49106440.4010906@kukulies.org>

Hi,

don't know whether it's the CDROM drive (a Creative 52x mx) or the 
motherboard (ASUS P4S8X) or what.
Anyway, I tried to install a recent version of FreeBSD (7.1-BETA2) and 
the installation
hangs right in the boot process of the installation CD disc1.

I see

acd0: FAILURE - READ BIG MEDIUM ERROR asc=0x11 ascq=0x00
run_interrupt_driven_hooks: still waiting after 60 seconds for xpt_config
run_interrupt_driven_hooks: still waiting after 120 seconds for xpt_config
run_interrupt_driven_hooks: still waiting after 180 seconds for xpt_config

and so on.

Any clues?

--
Christoph Kukulies
From craig001 at lerwick.hopto.org  Tue Nov  4 07:06:55 2008
From: craig001 at lerwick.hopto.org (Craig Butler)
Date: Tue Nov  4 07:07:03 2008
Subject: GDM login without using a password
In-Reply-To: <c9f50ec40811040632p203864c1h3432a1e60d4828fe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c9f50ec40811040602h15b0ae36uf234b7b53ea81f28@mail.gmail.com>
	<1225808192.3407.16.camel@main.lerwick.hopto.org>
	<c9f50ec40811040632p203864c1h3432a1e60d4828fe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1225811203.3802.4.camel@main.lerwick.hopto.org>

On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 16:32 +0200, Roey Dror wrote:
> > AFAIK the automatic login feature allows you to nominate a user to
> > automatically log in as... it doesn't ask for the password but I think
> > one can be set (so it doesn't need to be empty).
> 
> As I said, the automatic login feature is not what I'm looking for.
> I need to set up more than one user that is able to login without a password.
> The computer is a home computer, so local security is not an issue.
> 

OK the pam stuff that is talked about online is found in /etc/pam.d/gdm.
I have seen a few suggestions to change the auth to optional instead of
required.  However there would be nothing to stop some one logging in as
root through gdm.

Maybe there is some way of fudging gnome to accept more than one
passwordless user account.... good luck finding it

Regards

Craig B

From c.kworr at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 07:11:25 2008
From: c.kworr at gmail.com (Volodymyr Kostyrko)
Date: Tue Nov  4 07:11:33 2008
Subject: gjournal: journaled slices vs. journaled partitions
In-Reply-To: <48FD9091.8000809@telus.net>
References: <48FD6665.5000102@telus.net> <48FD6803.7080802@shopzeus.com>
	<48FD9091.8000809@telus.net>
Message-ID: <gepom9$tp2$1@ger.gmane.org>

Carl wrote:
>>> So how do I achieve per-slice journaling instead of per-partition?
>> The docs only says this: "gjournal only supports UFS2". It does not 
>> specifically say that you cannot have per-slice journaling. However, 
>> since you could have other filesystems on your slice, I bet that slice 
>> based journaling is not supported.
> 
> I thought I read somewhere that because gjournal is block based and not 
> really part of the filesystem, that it could easily be extended for any 
> other filesystem. My imagination said that gjournal was probably 
> therefore only temporarily limited to a slice full of UFS partitions. 
> Anyone know for sure?

gjournal needs to know what what data is actually metadata. In case of 
UFS the -J flag given to newfs tells system that using this fs we should 
mark metadata for gjournal use.

>> Another tricky question: why would you journal a SWAP partition?
> 
> Well, I don't really want to, but how big does a partition like /var 
> have to be before it's no longer ill-advised to journal it individually? 
> A fair bit of writing can occur in /var and the scenario my server will 
> occupy has me concerned about inglorious shutdowns.
> 
> What are the actual reasons for why journaling a small partition is 
> considered a bad idea?

Journal needs to bee big enough to amass all modifications. By default 
it's 1G. Just compare this to the size of your /var.

-- 
Sphinx of black quartz judge my vow.

From af300wsm at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 07:16:07 2008
From: af300wsm at gmail.com (Andrew Falanga)
Date: Tue Nov  4 07:16:14 2008
Subject: how much memory can be support in FreeBSD system?
In-Reply-To: <F02404077B4842A895E90FB6BE19484E@inb>
References: <F02404077B4842A895E90FB6BE19484E@inb>
Message-ID: <340a29540811040654sdff4decxbad97265f0983b45@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 6:52 AM, Alex Zhang <alex34live@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi buddy.
>
>
>
> I'm a new comer and want to configure a Virtual server base on UNIX. The
> safe, steady and easy for maintenance is needed.
>
> Approximately 8GB memory will be mounted. Can anyone tell me how much memory
> can be supported in FreeBSD?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> BR
>
> Alex
>
>

See
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/compatibility-memory.html
From bruce at cran.org.uk  Tue Nov  4 07:17:08 2008
From: bruce at cran.org.uk (Bruce Cran)
Date: Tue Nov  4 07:17:20 2008
Subject: garmin forerunner 305
In-Reply-To: <FF8482A96323694490C194BABEAC24A0037A29A8@Email.cbord.com>
References: <20081103192749.2f35701b@tau.draftnet>
	<FF8482A96323694490C194BABEAC24A0037A29A8@Email.cbord.com>
Message-ID: <20081104145807.GA12700@muon.cran.org.uk>

On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 08:28:05AM -0500, Bob McConnell wrote:
> On Behalf Of Bruce Cran
> > On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 20:24:02 +0100
> > Bruce Cran <bruce@cran.org.uk> wrote:
> > 
> >> On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:51:33 -0300
> >> "Joey Mingrone" <joey@mingrone.org> wrote:
> >> 
> >> > Has anyone had any success collecting data from a Garmin Forerunner
> >> > 305?
> >> > 
> >> > When I connect the device I see the kernel messages:
> >> > Sep  4 11:39:22 jrm root: Unknown USB device: vendor 0x091e product
> >> > 0x0003 bus uhub1
> >> > Sep  4 11:39:22 jrm kernel: ugen0: <vendor 0x091e product 0x0003,
> >> > class 255/255, rev 1.10/0.01, addr 2> on uhub1
> >> > 
> >> > The documentation for the port astro/GPSMan seems to indicate it
> >> > supports this model, but I haven't had any luck.
> >> > 
> >> > % uname -a
> >> > FreeBSD xxx.xxx 7.0-RELEASE-p1 FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE-p1 #3: Thu Jun
> 12
> >> > 18:47:50 ADT 2008     root@xxx.xxx:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/xxx  i386
> >> 
> >> Unfortunately Garmin use their own protocol for communicating between
> >> the GPS and the PC.  Under Linux it's supported by the garmin_gps
> >> driver but there's no equivalent for FreeBSD yet.
> >> 
> > 
> > Sorry, it turns out that's wrong: the gpsbabel developers recommend
> not
> > using garmin_gps because apparently it often doesn't work.  Instead
> > they recommend using gpsbabel's 'garmin' input/output format.  It
> > interfaces to the device using libusb - which, fortunately for us runs
> > on FreeBSD! I've just successfully read back GPS data into a GPX file
> > using gpsbabel on FreeBSD 8-CURRENT and the 'usb2' usb stack. 
> > 
> > I don't know if it'll work with the usb stack that's in shipping
> > version of FreeBSD though, and even with the new stack I had to make a
> > change to libgpsusb.c in gpsbabel to get it working.
> 
> The best way to help fix these problems are:
> 
> A) Submit a patch for the changes you made.
> 
> B) Contact the maintainers and provide them with all of the details,
> what you found, what didn't work, what you modified and the final
> results. If you have traces or data captures, they may want to see them.
> They can't fix problems they don't understand. If they don't have access
> to that hardware, or something similar, they might even ask you to do
> some experiments for them to extend their knowledge. All of that will
> help them improve the quality of future releases.
>

It looks like it may be a bug in libusb20 or the usb2 stack. I've sent
an email to Hans and freebsd-usb@ and will see what they think.  I very
much suspect it's not a bug in gpsbabel itself because
USB_ENDPOINT_ADDRESS_MASK must exist for a reason, and removing the
masking was just a hack to get things working just now.

-- 
Bruce Cran 
From Johan at double-l.nl  Tue Nov  4 07:28:07 2008
From: Johan at double-l.nl (Johan Hendriks)
Date: Tue Nov  4 07:28:14 2008
Subject: Slow swith between console (ALT - Fx) proliant DL160
References: <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE207@w2003s01.double-l.local>
	<20081104144246.GA50265@icarus.home.lan>
	<57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE208@w2003s01.double-l.local>
	<20081104145533.GA50581@icarus.home.lan>
Message-ID: <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE209@w2003s01.double-l.local>


>> >>Onderwerp: Re: Slow swith between console (ALT - Fx) proliant DL160
>> 
>> On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 03:36:51PM +0100, Johan Hendriks wrote:
>> >> Hello all
>> >> I have a small issue when i switch between my console?s on a proliant DL160 G5 machine.
>> >> It has a time gap from around 1 to 2 seconds and then it will switch >to the next console after pressing ALT - F2
>> >> 
>> >> Do I need to set something in my loader.conf or sysctl.conf?
>> 
>> >Chances are you're using a USB keyboard.  Place the following in
>> >/boot/loader.conf and reboot the machine:
>> >
>> >hint.kbdmux.0.disabled="1"
>> 
>> 
>> No i have a normal ps/2 keyboard connected to it.

>Try the above anyway.  There are known problems (and LORs) in kbdmux.

Well i did try the setting and it works!
Thank you very much.

Regards
Johan Hendriks

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From Johan at double-l.nl  Tue Nov  4 07:33:08 2008
From: Johan at double-l.nl (Johan Hendriks)
Date: Tue Nov  4 07:33:15 2008
Subject: /etc/src.conf WITHOUT_PROFILE=yes
References: <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE207@w2003s01.double-l.local>
	<20081104144246.GA50265@icarus.home.lan>
	<57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE208@w2003s01.double-l.local>
	<20081104145533.GA50581@icarus.home.lan>
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Is it wise to set the WITHOUT_PROFILE to yes
Some say it is, some not, and what does it do exactly?

regards,
Johan Hendriks

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From c.kworr at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 07:43:07 2008
From: c.kworr at gmail.com (Volodymyr Kostyrko)
Date: Tue Nov  4 07:43:13 2008
Subject: gjournal: journaled slices vs. journaled partitions
In-Reply-To: <48FE6C64.7060606@telus.net>
References: <48FD6665.5000102@telus.net> <48FD6803.7080802@shopzeus.com>
	<48FE6C64.7060606@telus.net>
Message-ID: <gepqhr$56u$1@ger.gmane.org>

Carl wrote:
> Volodymyr Kostyrko wrote:
> 
>> I have some setups were gjournal was put on device rather the on 
>> partition, i.e.:
>>
>> [umgah] ~> gmirror status
>>           Name    Status  Components
>> mirror/umgah0  COMPLETE  ad0
>>                           ad1
>> [umgah] ~> gjournal status
>>                   Name  Status  Components
>> mirror/umgah0.journal     N/A  mirror/umgah0
>> [umgah] ~> glabel status
>>              Name  Status  Components
>>    ufs/umgah0root     N/A  mirror/umgah0.journala
>> label/umgah0swap     N/A  mirror/umgah0.journalb
>>     ufs/umgah0usr     N/A  mirror/umgah0.journald
>>     ufs/umgah0var     N/A  mirror/umgah0.journale
> 
> Does the above suggest that you've ended up with individual journal 
> providers for each partition anyway? If so, where are they and have you 
> really achieved anything functionally different? Are they at the end of 
> their individually associated partitions or all together somewhere else? 
> Has the ill-advised journaled small partition issue been successfully 
> overcome through what you've done?

First, there is only one journal - for /dev/mirror/umgah0 and it is 
named /dev/mirror/umgah0.journal. Anything else is just a bsdlabel 
partitions, there are four of 'em.

> 
>> [umgah] ~> mount
>> /dev/ufs/umgah0root on / (ufs, asynchronous, local, noatime, gjournal)
>> devfs on /dev (devfs, local)
>> /dev/md0 on /tmp (ufs, asynchronous, local)
>> /dev/ufs/umgah0var on /var (ufs, asynchronous, local, noatime, gjournal)
>> /dev/ufs/umgah0usr on /usr (ufs, asynchronous, local, noatime, gjournal)
>> devfs on /var/named/dev (devfs, local)
>>
>> And yes, mirror autosynchronization is turned off, gjournal takes care 
>> of that too.
>>
>> It's not stated in manual, but gjournal is typically transparent for 
>> any type of access, just in case of UFS file system is marked as 
>> journaled so any metadata writes can be distinguished from data 
>> writes. Without that gjournal does literally nothing.
> 
> And what does this mean for your swap partition?

Just nothing, it's just swap. It can't be journaled.

> Laszlo Nagy wrote earlier:
>> Another tricky question: why would you journal a SWAP partition?
> 
> Volodymyr, does your assertion that gjournal does nothing when a file 
> system is not UFS mean that there is no penalty with regard to your swap 
> partition despite the existence of "mirror/umgah0.journalb"?

I haven't seen any perfomance decrease in this configuration. And 
according to manual and articles about gjournal it should work this way.

> Any chance you'd like to share your command sequence for constructing 
> your gmirror'd and gjournal'd filesystem, Volodymyr? :-)

If we have two disks (ad0, ad1) it should look like this:

 > gmirror label -b load -n umgah0 ad1

We are getting all drive gmirrored without synchronization (we don't 
need it - journal would take care of any discrepancies) and with load 
balance (load was fixed not so long ago in stable and should be fine to 
go with).

 > gjournal label mirror/umgah0

We are creating a journal on top of our gmirror. It eats 1G from the end 
of the disks and gives us the rest to use.

 > bsdlabel -wB mirror/umgah0.journal

We are writing the standard bsdlabel to the disk and making it bootable. 
After that we will get one partition 'a'.

<spam>
Yes, no fdisk. I don't think this old piece of rough junk is ever needed 
on machine running FreeBSD solely. It just takes space, it requires 
compatibility to forgotten-and-abandoned standards and gives nothing 
more. You have your server dual-booting Windows or Linux? This is the 
only case you need fdisk for.
</spam>

 > bsdlabel -e mirror/umgah0.journal

Now we are splitting our journal to some partitions. I did it this way:

# /dev/mirror/umgah0.journal:
8 partitions:
#        size   offset    fstype   [fsize bsize bps/cpg]
   a:   524288       16    4.2BSD
   b: 16777216   *      swap
   c: 779325614        0    unused        0     0         # "raw" part, 
don't edit
   d: 33554432 *    4.2BSD
   e: * *    4.2BSD

After that we can format this filesystems:

 > newfs -J -L umgah0root /dev/mirror/umgah0.journala
 > newfs -J -L umgah0var /dev/mirror/umgah0.journald
 > newfs -J -L umgah0usr /dev/mirror/umgah0.journale

And label the swap:

 > glabel label umgah0swap /dev/mirror/umgah0.journalb

You can skip all this glabel thing, I just prefer to have slim fstab, as 
slim as possible.

<fstab>
/dev/label/umgah0swap none swap sw 0 0

md /tmp mfs rw,-s1024m,-S,-oasync 0 0

/dev/ufs/umgah0root / ufs rw,async,noatime 0 1
/dev/ufs/umgah0var /var ufs rw,async,noatime 0 2
/dev/ufs/umgah0usr /usr ufs rw,async,noatime 0 2
</fstab>

There's a lot more here to describe from moving system to newly created 
partitions to inserting and rebuilding our first disk to gmirror. All 
this issues are described in handbook or other articles found on the net.

-- 
Sphinx of black quartz judge my vow.

From bruce at cran.org.uk  Tue Nov  4 07:46:42 2008
From: bruce at cran.org.uk (Bruce Cran)
Date: Tue Nov  4 07:46:50 2008
Subject: garmin forerunner 305
In-Reply-To: <80794437@bs1.sp34.ru>
References: <f5b896260809040751ka9d42e8nfba3ec0d49305c58@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080904202402.0c245ed2@tau.draftnet>
	<20081103192749.2f35701b@tau.draftnet> <80794437@bs1.sp34.ru>
Message-ID: <20081104074623.25f51f27@tau.draftnet>

On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:57:14 +0300
Boris Samorodov <bsam@ipt.ru> wrote:

> Bruce Cran <bruce@cran.org.uk> writes:
> 
> > I don't know if it'll work with the usb stack that's in shipping
> > version of FreeBSD though, and even with the new stack I had to
> > make a change to libgpsusb.c in gpsbabel to get it working.
> 
> Can you submit a patch? Thanks!

Having just read about endpoint addresses I'm not sure who's wrong.
gpsbabel truncates the address to the first 4 bytes using
USB_ENDPOINT_ADDRESS_MASK from libusb20 while
the stack clearly wants the rest, including the top 'direction' bit.  In
fact in /sys/dev/usb2/core/usb2_device.c line 114 it masks out the
reserved bits but still keeps the direction bit. usb2_get_pipe_by_addr
was failing when passed address 1 because the full endpoint address is
0x81 (endpoint 1, direction IN).  It looks as though by changing EA_MASK
to be just the endpoint number would fix the problem, but I'm not
sure if that's correct.

-- 
Bruce Cran
From jcigar at ulb.ac.be  Tue Nov  4 07:51:34 2008
From: jcigar at ulb.ac.be (Julien Cigar)
Date: Tue Nov  4 07:51:40 2008
Subject: 7.1-BETA2 installation on ASUS P4S8X fails BIG MEDIUM ERROR
In-Reply-To: <49106440.4010906@kukulies.org>
References: <49106440.4010906@kukulies.org>
Message-ID: <1225813899.2734.1.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be>

I've this problem too on almost all my machines. The only solution I've
found is to disable DMA (atapi_dma), but then performances are very poor
(and I'm still unable to burn a CD/DVD)

On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 16:03 +0100, Christoph Kukulies wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> don't know whether it's the CDROM drive (a Creative 52x mx) or the 
> motherboard (ASUS P4S8X) or what.
> Anyway, I tried to install a recent version of FreeBSD (7.1-BETA2) and 
> the installation
> hangs right in the boot process of the installation CD disc1.
> 
> I see
> 
> acd0: FAILURE - READ BIG MEDIUM ERROR asc=0x11 ascq=0x00
> run_interrupt_driven_hooks: still waiting after 60 seconds for xpt_config
> run_interrupt_driven_hooks: still waiting after 120 seconds for xpt_config
> run_interrupt_driven_hooks: still waiting after 180 seconds for xpt_config
> 
> and so on.
> 
> Any clues?
> 
> --
> Christoph Kukulies
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
-- 
Julien Cigar
Belgian Biodiversity Platform
http://www.biodiversity.be
Universit? Libre de Bruxelles (ULB)
Campus de la Plaine CP 257
B?timent NO, Bureau 4 N4 115C (Niveau 4)
Boulevard du Triomphe, entr?e ULB 2
B-1050 Bruxelles
Mail: jcigar@ulb.ac.be
@biobel: http://biobel.biodiversity.be/person/show/471
Tel : 02 650 57 52

From bruce at cran.org.uk  Tue Nov  4 08:23:54 2008
From: bruce at cran.org.uk (Bruce Cran)
Date: Tue Nov  4 08:24:02 2008
Subject: /etc/src.conf WITHOUT_PROFILE=yes
In-Reply-To: <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE20A@w2003s01.double-l.local>
References: <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE207@w2003s01.double-l.local>
	<20081104144246.GA50265@icarus.home.lan>
	<57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE208@w2003s01.double-l.local>
	<20081104145533.GA50581@icarus.home.lan>
	<57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE20A@w2003s01.double-l.local>
Message-ID: <20081104082341.6614d723@tau.draftnet>

On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:33:08 +0100
"Johan Hendriks" <Johan@double-l.nl> wrote:

> Is it wise to set the WITHOUT_PROFILE to yes
> Some say it is, some not, and what does it do exactly?

All it does is prevent building the profiled versions of the libraries:
look in /usr/lib and you'll see for example libc.so and libc_p.so - the
_p version is the profiled version.  The only problem I can see with
disabling it using WITHOUT_PROFILE is that unless you remove the _p
libraries they'll become stale over time.

-- 
Bruce Cran
From darwinian.empire at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 08:27:50 2008
From: darwinian.empire at gmail.com (Roey Dror)
Date: Tue Nov  4 08:27:57 2008
Subject: GDM login without using a password
In-Reply-To: <1225811203.3802.4.camel@main.lerwick.hopto.org>
References: <c9f50ec40811040602h15b0ae36uf234b7b53ea81f28@mail.gmail.com>
	<1225808192.3407.16.camel@main.lerwick.hopto.org>
	<c9f50ec40811040632p203864c1h3432a1e60d4828fe@mail.gmail.com>
	<1225811203.3802.4.camel@main.lerwick.hopto.org>
Message-ID: <c9f50ec40811040827n5c1f9a4cn60248bb476349c34@mail.gmail.com>

>
> OK the pam stuff that is talked about online is found in /etc/pam.d/gdm.
> I have seen a few suggestions to change the auth to optional instead of
> required.  However there would be nothing to stop some one logging in as
> root through gdm.
>

Is there any other pam module which can supply a passwordless login?
maybe pam_guest?

-- 
Roey
From olivervbk at yahoo.com.br  Tue Nov  4 08:28:00 2008
From: olivervbk at yahoo.com.br (Oliver v.B.K.)
Date: Tue Nov  4 08:28:07 2008
Subject: Question: Howto Cvsup mirror?
Message-ID: <969715.65514.qm@web65709.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Hi,
I've been trying to setup a freebsd7.0 mirror on my network for my needs. The ftp mirror is working great(used a repository with cobbler) 
but with the cvsup mirror I'm quite lost.

I read in the freebsd handbook what cvsup does and how it works but I didn't find anywhere
explaining how to create a mirror.

Since the mirror server on the network runs centos5.2 I tried running csup instead of compiling cvsup with modula3.
I tried it out with the supfiles I use on the freebsd7.0 machines and it worked pretty well I guess...

Now... what kind of server should I use ? is there a cvsupd I can use? or a normal CVS server should be enough ?

Thanks

 
Oliver vBK



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From yuri.pankov at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 08:30:54 2008
From: yuri.pankov at gmail.com (Yuri Pankov)
Date: Tue Nov  4 08:31:00 2008
Subject: Question: Howto Cvsup mirror?
In-Reply-To: <969715.65514.qm@web65709.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <969715.65514.qm@web65709.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20081104163047.GA1203@darklight.homeunix.org>

On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 08:01:17AM -0800, Oliver v.B.K. wrote:
> Hi,
> I've been trying to setup a freebsd7.0 mirror on my network for my needs. The ftp mirror is working great(used a repository with cobbler) 
> but with the cvsup mirror I'm quite lost.
> 
> I read in the freebsd handbook what cvsup does and how it works but I didn't find anywhere
> explaining how to create a mirror.
> 
> Since the mirror server on the network runs centos5.2 I tried running csup instead of compiling cvsup with modula3.
> I tried it out with the supfiles I use on the freebsd7.0 machines and it worked pretty well I guess...
> 
> Now... what kind of server should I use ? is there a cvsupd I can use? or a normal CVS server should be enough ?
> 
> Thanks
> 
>  
> Oliver vBK

Check /usr/ports/net/cvsup-mirror


HTH,
Yuri
From freebsd-listen at fabiankeil.de  Tue Nov  4 08:36:10 2008
From: freebsd-listen at fabiankeil.de (Fabian Keil)
Date: Tue Nov  4 08:36:18 2008
Subject: tangoGPS && FreeBSD 7.0
In-Reply-To: <20081030192026.GA5498@rebelion.Sisis.de>
References: <20081029092516.GA3095@rebelion.Sisis.de>
	<20081030195105.1b5a154d@fabiankeil.de>
	<20081030192026.GA5498@rebelion.Sisis.de>
Message-ID: <20081104173559.2901b14e@fabiankeil.de>

Matthias Apitz <matthias.apitz@oclc.org> wrote:

> El d?a Thursday, October 30, 2008 a las 07:51:05PM +0100, Fabian Keil escribi?:
> 
> > Matthias Apitz <guru@unixarea.de> wrote:
> > 
> > > Is anybody aware of a port of tangoGPS
> > > http://www.tangogps.org/gps/cat/About to FreeBSD 7.0? It runs it in my
> > > Linux based cellphone Openmoko FreeRunner and it would be nice to have
> > > it as well in my eeePC (just for having better capacity for cached maps
> > > of OpenStreetMap and a bigger display). What kind of USB based GPS
> > > devices could be used in this eeePC with FreeBSD 7.0?
> > 
> > Using your FreeRunner seems like an obvious choice to me.
> > 
> > I got one as well, but I'm not aware of a tangoGPS port
> > for FreeBSD and haven't looked into how much effort
> > porting it would take either.
> 
> tangoGPS compiled and works just fine in FreeBSD, just the usual way:
> 
> ./configure
> make
> make install

Good to know. Are you already working on a port?

> it needs a gps daemon which is in the ports, and you need some GPS
> device RS232 or USB based and the web pages of gpsd have a long list
> of compatibel devices, for sure not all tested with FreeBSD; will see if
> I could check some out in the near future;

I was thinking about running tangoGPS on FreeBSD and
connecting it to the gpsd already running on the Freerunner.

Fabian
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From kuku at kukulies.org  Tue Nov  4 08:38:28 2008
From: kuku at kukulies.org (Christoph Kukulies)
Date: Tue Nov  4 08:38:35 2008
Subject: 7.1-BETA2 installation on ASUS P4S8X fails BIG MEDIUM ERROR
In-Reply-To: <1225813899.2734.1.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be>
References: <49106440.4010906@kukulies.org>
	<1225813899.2734.1.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be>
Message-ID: <49107A75.9020500@kukulies.org>

Julien Cigar schrieb:
> I've this problem too on almost all my machines. The only solution I've
> found is to disable DMA (atapi_dma), but then performances are very poor
>   

What I've found is enable/disable IDE Master in the BIOS settings. I 
disabled it to no avail.
Just bought a SATA CD/DVD burner hoping to get along with this.

--
Christoph  Kukulies
> (and I'm still unable to burn a CD/DVD)
>
> On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 16:03 +0100, Christoph Kukulies wrote:
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>> don't know whether it's the CDROM drive (a Creative 52x mx) or the 
>> motherboard (ASUS P4S8X) or what.
>> Anyway, I tried to install a recent version of FreeBSD (7.1-BETA2) and 
>> the installation
>> hangs right in the boot process of the installation CD disc1.
>>
>> I see
>>
>> acd0: FAILURE - READ BIG MEDIUM ERROR asc=0x11 ascq=0x00
>> run_interrupt_driven_hooks: still waiting after 60 seconds for xpt_config
>> run_interrupt_driven_hooks: still waiting after 120 seconds for xpt_config
>> run_interrupt_driven_hooks: still waiting after 180 seconds for xpt_config
>>
>> and so on.
>>
>> Any clues?
>>
>> --
>> Christoph Kukulies
>>     

From olivervbk at yahoo.com.br  Tue Nov  4 08:42:09 2008
From: olivervbk at yahoo.com.br (Oliver v.B.K.)
Date: Tue Nov  4 08:42:15 2008
Subject: Res: Question: Howto Cvsup mirror?
Message-ID: <845853.48094.qm@web65712.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Yes, I know that this package exists... but I'm trying to setup a cvsup server on a CENTOS 5.2 machine. 
Does the cvsup client understands only this cvsup-mirror server or is there any other cross-platform(centos) server I can use ? for example a CVS server ?

thanks

 
Oliver vBK




________________________________
De: Yuri Pankov <yuri.pankov@gmail.com>
Para: Oliver v.B.K. <olivervbk@yahoo.com.br>
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Enviadas: Ter?a-feira, 4 de Novembro de 2008 14:30:47
Assunto: Re: Question: Howto Cvsup mirror?

On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 08:01:17AM -0800, Oliver v.B.K. wrote:
> Hi,
> I've been trying to setup a freebsd7.0 mirror on my network for my needs. The ftp mirror is working great(used a repository with cobbler) 
> but with the cvsup mirror I'm quite lost.
> 
> I read in the freebsd handbook what cvsup does and how it works but I didn't find anywhere
> explaining how to create a mirror.
> 
> Since the mirror server on the network runs centos5.2 I tried running csup instead of compiling cvsup with modula3.
> I tried it out with the supfiles I use on the freebsd7.0 machines and it worked pretty well I guess...
> 
> Now... what kind of server should I use ? is there a cvsupd I can use? or a normal CVS server should be enough ?
> 
> Thanks
> 
>  
> Oliver vBK

Check /usr/ports/net/cvsup-mirror


HTH,
Yuri



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From jerrymc at msu.edu  Tue Nov  4 08:42:56 2008
From: jerrymc at msu.edu (Jerry McAllister)
Date: Tue Nov  4 08:43:04 2008
Subject: Using csup
In-Reply-To: <2daa8b4e0811031738q759d34f4q274a676957ad379e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2daa8b4e0811031738q759d34f4q274a676957ad379e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081104163928.GA35005@gizmo.acns.msu.edu>

On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 05:38:28PM -0800, David Allen wrote:

> I'd like to move to using csup(1) and there's an error in the manpage
> that's raising some questions for me:
> 
>     OPTIONS
>         base=base   The default base directory is /usr/local/etc/csup.
> 
>     FILES
>         /usr/local/etc/cvsup                Default base directory.
>         sup                                 Default collDir subdirectory.
>         base/collDir/collection/checkouts*  List files.
> 
> Assuming that the default 'base' directory is /usr/local/etc/cvsup, would
> the following three files be sufficient for csup to work?

I have mine all in one file and pull all the updates at once.
You can name the supfile on your csup command line.  Then put
it anywhere you want.   Mine is in /etc.

////jerry


> 
> # /usr/local/etc/cvsup/standard-supfile
> *default tag=RELENG_7_0
> *default host=cvsup10.us.FreeBSD.org
> *default release=cvs delete use-rel-suffix compress
> src-all
> 
> # /usr/local/etc/cvsup/doc-supfile
> doc-all
> 
> # /usr/local/etc/cvsup/ports-supfile
> ports-all tag=.
> 
> # usr/local/etc/cvsup/sup/refuse
> [contents of global refusefile]
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From traveling08 at cox.net  Tue Nov  4 08:51:10 2008
From: traveling08 at cox.net (Robert)
Date: Tue Nov  4 08:51:17 2008
Subject: help with MY Book external drive
In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.1.10.0811041056420.94202@neu.net>
References: <alpine.BSF.1.10.0811041056420.94202@neu.net>
Message-ID: <20081104085104.53c4f498@asus64>

On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:13:21 +0000 (GMT)
AN <andy@neu.net> wrote:

> I just purchased a WD MY Book external USB disk, I reformatted in UFS
> and created a filesystem with sysinstall.  I was able to put data on
> it successfully, however overnite I had a power failure.  Now I am
> unable to mount the drive.  The blue light is on, so it seems to be
> getting power but the computer does not see it when I plug in the USB
> cable.  I can not run fsck because the system says /dev/da0s1d no
> such file or directory.  I tried da0s1, da0s1c, and da0s1d no luck.
> I also tried to plug the disk into another machine, same thing the
> disk is not recognized.  Is it totally gone?    Any help to recover
> this disk would be really appreciated.
> 
> TIA

I have a bit of experience with MyBook. I had a friend ask me to look
at two of hers that did the same thing yours is doing. It was a 500G
that was out of warranty. I was able to open it up and found a standard
3.5 inch SATA hard drive. 

I directly connected it to a computer and the drive was totally dead.
If the drive was connect to one of the first four physical drives that
bios checked, then bios would halt and freeze. If it was connected
through an add-on SATA card, then it bios would not recognize it.

I purchased a replacement 500G SATA drive from NewEgg that was on sale
and was able to install it in the original MyBook box. It is working
perfectly. The drive I purchased carries a 3 year warranty as an added
benefit whereas the MyBook is only a year.

The controller is what make the front light operate and has nothing to
do with the drive. The other thing you might want to check it the power
adapter. The other MyBook failed in the exact same way but when I
changed the adapter it was just fine. 

I hope this helps but YMMV

Good luck

Robert
From kuku at kukulies.org  Tue Nov  4 09:02:09 2008
From: kuku at kukulies.org (Christoph Kukulies)
Date: Tue Nov  4 09:02:22 2008
Subject: 7.1-BETA2 installation on ASUS P4S8X fails BIG MEDIUM ERROR
In-Reply-To: <49107A75.9020500@kukulies.org>
References: <49106440.4010906@kukulies.org>	<1225813899.2734.1.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be>
	<49107A75.9020500@kukulies.org>
Message-ID: <49107FF1.1080900@kukulies.org>

Christoph Kukulies schrieb:
> Julien Cigar schrieb:
>> I've this problem too on almost all my machines. The only solution I've
>> found is to disable DMA (atapi_dma), but then performances are very poor
>>   
>
> What I've found is enable/disable IDE Master in the BIOS settings. I 
> disabled it to no avail.
> Just bought a SATA CD/DVD burner hoping to get along with this.
>

Pitfall - SATA CDROM drive is not seen by the BIOS so I cannot boot from 
it or
is there a way to get around this? Any other method to boot from? This 
motherboard isn't one of the
newest, in contrary, quite old. Doesn't seem to support boot from USB 
device, so I depend on
getting the system booted from CDROM.

--
Christoph Kukulies
> -- 
> Christoph  Kukulies
>> (and I'm still unable to burn a CD/DVD)
>>
>> On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 16:03 +0100, Christoph Kukulies wrote:
>>  
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> don't know whether it's the CDROM drive (a Creative 52x mx) or the 
>>> motherboard (ASUS P4S8X) or what.
>>> Anyway, I tried to install a recent version of FreeBSD (7.1-BETA2) 
>>> and the installation
>>> hangs right in the boot process of the installation CD disc1.
>>>
>>> I see
>>>
>>> acd0: FAILURE - READ BIG MEDIUM ERROR asc=0x11 ascq=0x00
>>> run_interrupt_driven_hooks: still waiting after 60 seconds for 
>>> xpt_config
>>> run_interrupt_driven_hooks: still waiting after 120 seconds for 
>>> xpt_config
>>> run_interrupt_driven_hooks: still waiting after 180 seconds for 
>>> xpt_config
>>>
>>> and so on.
>>>
>>> Any clues?
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Christoph Kukulies

From hselasky at c2i.net  Tue Nov  4 09:02:09 2008
From: hselasky at c2i.net (Hans Petter Selasky)
Date: Tue Nov  4 09:02:22 2008
Subject: garmin forerunner 305
In-Reply-To: <20081104074623.25f51f27@tau.draftnet>
References: <f5b896260809040751ka9d42e8nfba3ec0d49305c58@mail.gmail.com>
	<80794437@bs1.sp34.ru> <20081104074623.25f51f27@tau.draftnet>
Message-ID: <200811041704.09463.hselasky@c2i.net>

On Tuesday 04 November 2008, Bruce Cran wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:57:14 +0300
>
> Boris Samorodov <bsam@ipt.ru> wrote:
> > Bruce Cran <bruce@cran.org.uk> writes:
> > > I don't know if it'll work with the usb stack that's in shipping
> > > version of FreeBSD though, and even with the new stack I had to
> > > make a change to libgpsusb.c in gpsbabel to get it working.
> >
> > Can you submit a patch? Thanks!
>
> Having just read about endpoint addresses I'm not sure who's wrong.
> gpsbabel truncates the address to the first 4 bytes using
> USB_ENDPOINT_ADDRESS_MASK from libusb20 while
> the stack clearly wants the rest, including the top 'direction' bit.  In
> fact in /sys/dev/usb2/core/usb2_device.c line 114 it masks out the
> reserved bits but still keeps the direction bit. usb2_get_pipe_by_addr
> was failing when passed address 1 because the full endpoint address is
> 0x81 (endpoint 1, direction IN).  It looks as though by changing EA_MASK
> to be just the endpoint number would fix the problem, but I'm not
> sure if that's correct.

Hi,

I'm going to fix this in libusb20. In the callbacks in libusb20 we know the 
direction and I will simply just fix it there. The applications I tested so 
far passed the correct endpoint value.

--HPS

int
usb_bulk_write(usb_dev_handle * dev, int ep, char *bytes,
    int size, int timeout)
{
        return (usb_std_io(dev, ep, bytes, size, timeout, 0));
}

int
usb_bulk_read(usb_dev_handle * dev, int ep, char *bytes,
    int size, int timeout)
{
        return (usb_std_io(dev, ep, bytes, size, timeout, 0));
}

int
usb_interrupt_write(usb_dev_handle * dev, int ep, char *bytes,
    int size, int timeout)
{
        return (usb_std_io(dev, ep, bytes, size, timeout, 1));
}

int
usb_interrupt_read(usb_dev_handle * dev, int ep, char *bytes,
    int size, int timeout)
{
        return (usb_std_io(dev, ep, bytes, size, timeout, 1));
}
From mcdouga9 at egr.msu.edu  Tue Nov  4 09:03:47 2008
From: mcdouga9 at egr.msu.edu (Adam McDougall)
Date: Tue Nov  4 09:03:59 2008
Subject: Disk top usage PIDs
In-Reply-To: <d3ea75b30811040612g3ba10a8fuf5551b730176acc2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d3ea75b30811040612g3ba10a8fuf5551b730176acc2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49107CA1.5090309@egr.msu.edu>

Eduardo Meyer wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have some serious issue. Sometimes something happens and my disk
> usage performance find its limit quickly. I follow with gstat and
> iostat -xw1, and everything usually happens just fine, with %b around
> 20 and 0 to 1 pending i/o request. Suddely I get 30, 40 pending
> requests and %b is always on 100% (or more than this).
>
> fstat and lsof gives me no hint, because the type of programs as well
> as the amount of 'em is just the same.
>
> How can I find the PID which is hammering my disk? Is there an "iotop"
> or "disktop" tool or something alike?
>
> Its a mail server. I have pop3, imap, I also have maildrop and
> sometimes, httpd, working around the busiest mount point.
>
> I have also started AUDIT, however all I can get are the top PIDs
> which issue read/write requests. Not the requests which take longer to
> perform (the busiest ones), or should I look for some special audit
> class or event other than open, read and write?
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
>   
top -mio
From gnemmi at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 09:15:17 2008
From: gnemmi at gmail.com (Gonzalo Nemmi)
Date: Tue Nov  4 09:15:24 2008
Subject: Question about /dev/sequencer
Message-ID: <200811041507.25049.gnemmi@gmail.com>

[gonzalo@inferna ~]% uname -a
FreeBSD inferna.inferna.com.ar 7.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE #0: Sun Jul 20 
03:44:42 ART 2008     
root@inferna.inferna.com.ar:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/INFERNA  i386

My soundcar is already configured and running properly, kmid complains 
about /dev/sequencer being used by another app ...
I checked on dev but there's no /dev/sequencer at all..
Any hints on how to configure my sound card to create it?

[gonzalo@inferna ~]% grep pcm0 /var/log/messages
Nov  4 13:40:31 inferna kernel: pcm0: <Creative EMU10K1> port 0xd880-0xd89f 
irq 16 at device 0.0 on pci4
Nov  4 13:40:31 inferna kernel: pcm0: <SigmaTel STAC9721/23 AC97 Codec>
Nov  4 13:40:31 inferna kernel: pcm0: [ITHREAD]
[gonzalo@inferna ~]% cat /dev/sndstat
FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm: 32bit 2007061600/i386)
Installed devices:
pcm0: <Creative EMU10K1> at io 0xd880 irq 16  [MPSAFE] (4p:1v/2r:1v channels 
duplex default)
[gonzalo@inferna ~]%

As a side effect of that, Fretsonfire can't play the mid songs .. so it plays 
the ogg but the mids are missing == unplayable :(

I found this:

# cd /dev
# sh MAKEDEV snd0

on http://wiki.dragonflybsd.org/index.cgi/sound-setup.html and gave it a shot 
just in case but it didn't work ...

Any hint will be greatly aprecciated

Thanks in advanced
Regards
-- 
Blessings
Gonzalo Nemmi
From scrappy at hub.org  Tue Nov  4 09:19:56 2008
From: scrappy at hub.org (Marc G. Fournier)
Date: Tue Nov  4 09:20:02 2008
Subject: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In
In-Reply-To: <20081104145343.GA84440@ozzmosis.com>
References: <47BB6151991A555176831AB5@ganymede.hub.org>
	<20081104145343.GA84440@ozzmosis.com>
Message-ID: <20081104131728.M52930@hub.org>

On Wed, 5 Nov 2008, andrew clarke wrote:

> On Mon 2008-11-03 18:33:57 UTC-0400, Marc G. Fournier (scrappy@hub.org) wrote:
>
>> For FreeBSD users, you just need to install /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats
>> to set things up.
>
> I stopped using bsdstats after it caused my FreeBSD router to take too
> long to boot up after a reboot.  If I recall correctly, I had
> bsdstats_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf and after the reboot bsdstats
> was called before ppp was able to start, so it couldn't connect to the
> bsdstats server.  On the other hand this was a while ago and I am
> going by memory, so I may be wrong about what happened or it was just
> a coincidence.  At the time I was more interested in getting the
> router running so I didn't really care for debugging what was going
> on.  I realise this is a bit of a vague bug report, so feel free to
> ignore it.

There is an optional flag for 'reporting on reboot' ... the original 
script only did reporting monthly, out of periodic, but some ppl (ie. 
using laptops) suggesting an optional flag so that when they rebooted, 
they would be counted also ...

And you are correct, just change:

bsdstats_enable="YES"

to

bsdstats_enable="NO"

And 'on reboot' will eb disabled, and only periodic will be used ... at a 
minimum, you just need:

monthly_statistics_enable="YES"

in /etc/periodic.conf, wich will only report OS/version and skip the 
devices/ports reports ...

----
Marc G. Fournier           Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org)
Email . scrappy@hub.org                              MSN . scrappy@hub.org
Yahoo . yscrappy               Skype: hub.org        ICQ . 7615664
From traveling08 at cox.net  Tue Nov  4 09:21:36 2008
From: traveling08 at cox.net (Robert)
Date: Tue Nov  4 09:21:42 2008
Subject: xfce decktop time display
In-Reply-To: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBAEIBCMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>
References: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBAEIBCMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>
Message-ID: <20081104092130.6e3d60fe@asus64>

On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:53:47 +0800
"FBSD1" <fbsd1@a1poweruser.com> wrote:

> Using Xfce4 and the time is displayed in military time 2200.
> Want to change this to regular AM/PM displayed time. 10pm
> Been through the manual and all the menus and can not find knob to
> change the time setting.
> 
> Thanks for any help you can give.
> 
Right click the time display and uncheck 24 hours
From glavoie at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 09:25:40 2008
From: glavoie at gmail.com (Gabriel Lavoie)
Date: Tue Nov  4 09:25:46 2008
Subject: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In
In-Reply-To: <20081104131728.M52930@hub.org>
References: <47BB6151991A555176831AB5@ganymede.hub.org>
	<20081104145343.GA84440@ozzmosis.com> <20081104131728.M52930@hub.org>
Message-ID: <d05df8620811040925u10286eafkd93506dadccced6d@mail.gmail.com>

When are the stats updated on bsdstats.org?

Thanks

Gabriel

2008/11/4 Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org>

> On Wed, 5 Nov 2008, andrew clarke wrote:
>
>  On Mon 2008-11-03 18:33:57 UTC-0400, Marc G. Fournier (scrappy@hub.org)
>> wrote:
>>
>>  For FreeBSD users, you just need to install /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats
>>> to set things up.
>>>
>>
>> I stopped using bsdstats after it caused my FreeBSD router to take too
>> long to boot up after a reboot.  If I recall correctly, I had
>> bsdstats_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf and after the reboot bsdstats
>> was called before ppp was able to start, so it couldn't connect to the
>> bsdstats server.  On the other hand this was a while ago and I am
>> going by memory, so I may be wrong about what happened or it was just
>> a coincidence.  At the time I was more interested in getting the
>> router running so I didn't really care for debugging what was going
>> on.  I realise this is a bit of a vague bug report, so feel free to
>> ignore it.
>>
>
> There is an optional flag for 'reporting on reboot' ... the original script
> only did reporting monthly, out of periodic, but some ppl (ie. using
> laptops) suggesting an optional flag so that when they rebooted, they would
> be counted also ...
>
> And you are correct, just change:
>
> bsdstats_enable="YES"
>
> to
>
> bsdstats_enable="NO"
>
> And 'on reboot' will eb disabled, and only periodic will be used ... at a
> minimum, you just need:
>
> monthly_statistics_enable="YES"
>
> in /etc/periodic.conf, wich will only report OS/version and skip the
> devices/ports reports ...
>
> ----
> Marc G. Fournier           Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org
> )
> Email . scrappy@hub.org                              MSN . scrappy@hub.org
> Yahoo . yscrappy               Skype: hub.org        ICQ . 7615664
>
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-- 
Gabriel Lavoie
glavoie@gmail.com
From freebsd-questions-local at be-well.ilk.org  Tue Nov  4 09:52:50 2008
From: freebsd-questions-local at be-well.ilk.org (Lowell Gilbert)
Date: Tue Nov  4 09:52:57 2008
Subject: Error trying to fetch kdebase-workspace-4.1.3.tar.bz2
In-Reply-To: <490CF0C9.8080207@maydias.com> (Warren Liddell's message of "Sun\,
	02 Nov 2008 10\:14\:01 +1000")
References: <490CF0C9.8080207@maydias.com>
Message-ID: <447i7jpedt.fsf@be-well.ilk.org>

Warren Liddell <shinjii@maydias.com> writes:

> Does anyone have s ite where i can manually d/l
> kdebase-workspace-4.1.3.tar.bz2 as all the addies in the freebsd ports
> list for the file arent working for myself.

I don't see any signs of it being built according to the build cluster:
http://portsmon.freebsd.org/portoverview.py?category=&portname=kdebase4-workspace&wildcard=

but that's obviously missing real data, because I found the package in
my local package mirror:
ftp://ftp5.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-7-stable/All/kdebase-workspace-4.1.1.tbz

-- 
Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area
		http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/
From glavoie at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 09:55:57 2008
From: glavoie at gmail.com (Gabriel Lavoie)
Date: Tue Nov  4 09:56:06 2008
Subject: gjournal: journaled slices vs. journaled partitions
In-Reply-To: <gepqhr$56u$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <48FD6665.5000102@telus.net> <48FD6803.7080802@shopzeus.com>
	<48FE6C64.7060606@telus.net> <gepqhr$56u$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <d05df8620811040955m654f769bj8683bff66d7a6b42@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
     I built a similar setup last weekend on a new home server with two
500GB drives. I didn't want to only put gmirror and have full drives rebuild
on power failure/reset on the system. I was told that putting bsdlabels on a
gjournal provider wasn't a good idea but I have yet to have an answer about
why... I went with this setup anyway and I made some reset tests to see what
happens on reboot and everything always went fine.

When building this setup I got one big problem. If the root filesystem (/)
was on a gjournal provider, an unclean shutdown when data was being written
on the disk rendered the system completely unbootable. I got this message:

GEOM_MIRROR: Device mirror/gm launched (2/2)
GEOM_JOURNAL: Journal 3672855181: mirror/gma contains data.
GEOM_JOURNAL: Journal 3672855181: mirror/gma contains journal.
GEOM_JOURNAL: Journal 3868799910: mirror/gmd contains data.
GEOM_JOURNAL: Journal 3868799910: mirror/gmd contains journal.
GEOM_JOURNAL: Journal mirror/gmd consistent.
Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/mirror/gm.journal

Manual root filesystem specification:
    <fstype>:<device>  Mount <device> using filesystem <fstype>
                                           eg. ufs:da0s1a
    ?                             List valid disk boot devices
    <empty line>          Abort manual input


mountroot> ?

List of GEOM managed disk devices:
     mirror/gmd.journal mirror/gmd mirror/gmc mirror/gma mirror/gm ad10s1c
ad10s1b ad8s1c ad8s1b ad10s2 ad10s1 ad8s1 ad10 ad8 acd0


As you can see, in the proposed list of disk devices devices to boot on,
"mirror/gm.journala" is absent. As I and Ivan Voras, that I contacted about
this problem, found, the GEOM_JOURNAL thread that is supposed to mark the
journal consistent takes too much time to do it with the root filesystem's
provider and the kernel try to mount a device that doesn't yet exist. A bug
report has been opened about this problem. For my final setup I decided to
put the root filesystem on a separate mirrorred slice of 1GB. Since this
slice isn't often written on, not many rebuilds should occur in case of
power failure. And I made my "power failure" test by hitting the reset
button while writing data on this filesystem and the rebuild on 1GB doesn't
takes too much time (at most 20-30 seconds).

Now I have the question. Why the "load" algorith wasn't recommended? Is it
fixed in 7.0-RELEASE-p5?

Here is my complete setup that seems to boot correctly every times I made my
reset tests while writing data on each filesystems. The 2GB gjournal
provider is directly on the mirror provider for all mirrored filesystems
exept the root one and I made my bsd labels on the gjournal provider,
instead of creating a journal for every filesystem.


[root@headless ~]# cat /etc/fstab
# Device                Mountpoint      FStype  Options         Dump
Pass#
/dev/ad10s1b            none            swap    sw              0       0
/dev/ad8s1b             none            swap    sw              0       0
/dev/mirror/root        /               ufs     rw              1       1
/dev/ufs/usr            /usr            ufs     rw,async        2       2
/dev/ufs/var            /var            ufs     rw,async        2       2
/dev/ufs/tmp            /tmp            ufs     rw,async        2       2
/dev/ufs/home           /home           ufs     rw,async        2       2
/dev/ufs/data           /mnt/data       ufs     rw,async        2       2
/dev/acd0               /cdrom          cd9660  ro,noauto       0       0


[root@headless ~]# mount
/dev/mirror/root on / (ufs, local, soft-updates)
devfs on /dev (devfs, local)
/dev/ufs/usr on /usr (ufs, asynchronous, local, gjournal)
/dev/ufs/var on /var (ufs, asynchronous, local, gjournal)
/dev/ufs/tmp on /tmp (ufs, asynchronous, local, gjournal)
/dev/ufs/home on /home (ufs, asynchronous, local, acls, gjournal)
/dev/ufs/data on /mnt/data (ufs, asynchronous, local, acls, gjournal)


[root@headless ~]# glabel status
    Name  Status  Components
 ufs/usr     N/A  mirror/data.journald
 ufs/var     N/A  mirror/data.journale
 ufs/tmp     N/A  mirror/data.journalf
ufs/home     N/A  mirror/data.journalg
ufs/data     N/A  mirror/data.journalh


[root@headless ~]# gjournal list
Geom name: gjournal 372943514
ID: 372943514
Providers:
1. Name: mirror/data.journal
   Mediasize: 495810966528 (462G)
   Sectorsize: 512
   Mode: r5w5e11
Consumers:
1. Name: mirror/data
   Mediasize: 497958450688 (464G)
   Sectorsize: 512
   Mode: r1w1e1
   Jend: 497958450176
   Jstart: 495810966528
   Role: Data,Journal


[root@headless ~]# gmirror list
Geom name: data
State: COMPLETE
Components: 2
Balance: split
Slice: 4096
Flags: NOFAILSYNC
GenID: 0
SyncID: 1
ID: 990032118
Providers:
1. Name: mirror/data
   Mediasize: 497958450688 (464G)
   Sectorsize: 512
   Mode: r1w1e1
Consumers:
1. Name: ad8s2
   Mediasize: 497958451200 (464G)
   Sectorsize: 512
   Mode: r1w1e1
   State: ACTIVE
   Priority: 0
   Flags: HARDCODED
   GenID: 0
   SyncID: 1
   ID: 235591066
2. Name: ad10s2
   Mediasize: 497958451200 (464G)
   Sectorsize: 512
   Mode: r1w1e1
   State: ACTIVE
   Priority: 0
   Flags: HARDCODED
   GenID: 0
   SyncID: 1
   ID: 2007880058

Geom name: root
State: COMPLETE
Components: 2
Balance: split
Slice: 4096
Flags: NONE
GenID: 0
SyncID: 1
ID: 4098555256
Providers:
1. Name: mirror/root
   Mediasize: 1073022976 (1.0G)
   Sectorsize: 512
   Mode: r1w1e1
Consumers:
1. Name: ad8s1a
   Mediasize: 1073023488 (1.0G)
   Sectorsize: 512
   Mode: r1w1e1
   State: ACTIVE
   Priority: 0
   Flags: HARDCODED
   GenID: 0
   SyncID: 1
   ID: 3394521634
2. Name: ad10s1a
   Mediasize: 1073023488 (1.0G)
   Sectorsize: 512
   Mode: r1w1e1
   State: ACTIVE
   Priority: 0
   Flags: HARDCODED
   GenID: 0
   SyncID: 1
   ID: 3774466459


Gabriel


2008/11/4 Volodymyr Kostyrko <c.kworr@gmail.com>

> Carl wrote:
>
>> Volodymyr Kostyrko wrote:
>>
>>  I have some setups were gjournal was put on device rather the on
>>> partition, i.e.:
>>>
>>> [umgah] ~> gmirror status
>>>          Name    Status  Components
>>> mirror/umgah0  COMPLETE  ad0
>>>                          ad1
>>> [umgah] ~> gjournal status
>>>                  Name  Status  Components
>>> mirror/umgah0.journal     N/A  mirror/umgah0
>>> [umgah] ~> glabel status
>>>             Name  Status  Components
>>>   ufs/umgah0root     N/A  mirror/umgah0.journala
>>> label/umgah0swap     N/A  mirror/umgah0.journalb
>>>    ufs/umgah0usr     N/A  mirror/umgah0.journald
>>>    ufs/umgah0var     N/A  mirror/umgah0.journale
>>>
>>
>> Does the above suggest that you've ended up with individual journal
>> providers for each partition anyway? If so, where are they and have you
>> really achieved anything functionally different? Are they at the end of
>> their individually associated partitions or all together somewhere else? Has
>> the ill-advised journaled small partition issue been successfully overcome
>> through what you've done?
>>
>
> First, there is only one journal - for /dev/mirror/umgah0 and it is named
> /dev/mirror/umgah0.journal. Anything else is just a bsdlabel partitions,
> there are four of 'em.
>
>
>>  [umgah] ~> mount
>>> /dev/ufs/umgah0root on / (ufs, asynchronous, local, noatime, gjournal)
>>> devfs on /dev (devfs, local)
>>> /dev/md0 on /tmp (ufs, asynchronous, local)
>>> /dev/ufs/umgah0var on /var (ufs, asynchronous, local, noatime, gjournal)
>>> /dev/ufs/umgah0usr on /usr (ufs, asynchronous, local, noatime, gjournal)
>>> devfs on /var/named/dev (devfs, local)
>>>
>>> And yes, mirror autosynchronization is turned off, gjournal takes care of
>>> that too.
>>>
>>> It's not stated in manual, but gjournal is typically transparent for any
>>> type of access, just in case of UFS file system is marked as journaled so
>>> any metadata writes can be distinguished from data writes. Without that
>>> gjournal does literally nothing.
>>>
>>
>> And what does this mean for your swap partition?
>>
>
> Just nothing, it's just swap. It can't be journaled.
>
>  Laszlo Nagy wrote earlier:
>>
>>> Another tricky question: why would you journal a SWAP partition?
>>>
>>
>> Volodymyr, does your assertion that gjournal does nothing when a file
>> system is not UFS mean that there is no penalty with regard to your swap
>> partition despite the existence of "mirror/umgah0.journalb"?
>>
>
> I haven't seen any perfomance decrease in this configuration. And according
> to manual and articles about gjournal it should work this way.
>
>  Any chance you'd like to share your command sequence for constructing your
>> gmirror'd and gjournal'd filesystem, Volodymyr? :-)
>>
>
> If we have two disks (ad0, ad1) it should look like this:
>
> > gmirror label -b load -n umgah0 ad1
>
> We are getting all drive gmirrored without synchronization (we don't need
> it - journal would take care of any discrepancies) and with load balance
> (load was fixed not so long ago in stable and should be fine to go with).
>
> > gjournal label mirror/umgah0
>
> We are creating a journal on top of our gmirror. It eats 1G from the end of
> the disks and gives us the rest to use.
>
> > bsdlabel -wB mirror/umgah0.journal
>
> We are writing the standard bsdlabel to the disk and making it bootable.
> After that we will get one partition 'a'.
>
> <spam>
> Yes, no fdisk. I don't think this old piece of rough junk is ever needed on
> machine running FreeBSD solely. It just takes space, it requires
> compatibility to forgotten-and-abandoned standards and gives nothing more.
> You have your server dual-booting Windows or Linux? This is the only case
> you need fdisk for.
> </spam>
>
> > bsdlabel -e mirror/umgah0.journal
>
> Now we are splitting our journal to some partitions. I did it this way:
>
> # /dev/mirror/umgah0.journal:
> 8 partitions:
> #        size   offset    fstype   [fsize bsize bps/cpg]
>  a:   524288       16    4.2BSD
>  b: 16777216   *      swap
>  c: 779325614        0    unused        0     0         # "raw" part, don't
> edit
>  d: 33554432 *    4.2BSD
>  e: * *    4.2BSD
>
> After that we can format this filesystems:
>
> > newfs -J -L umgah0root /dev/mirror/umgah0.journala
> > newfs -J -L umgah0var /dev/mirror/umgah0.journald
> > newfs -J -L umgah0usr /dev/mirror/umgah0.journale
>
> And label the swap:
>
> > glabel label umgah0swap /dev/mirror/umgah0.journalb
>
> You can skip all this glabel thing, I just prefer to have slim fstab, as
> slim as possible.
>
> <fstab>
> /dev/label/umgah0swap none swap sw 0 0
>
> md /tmp mfs rw,-s1024m,-S,-oasync 0 0
>
> /dev/ufs/umgah0root / ufs rw,async,noatime 0 1
> /dev/ufs/umgah0var /var ufs rw,async,noatime 0 2
> /dev/ufs/umgah0usr /usr ufs rw,async,noatime 0 2
> </fstab>
>
> There's a lot more here to describe from moving system to newly created
> partitions to inserting and rebuilding our first disk to gmirror. All this
> issues are described in handbook or other articles found on the net.
>
>
> --
> Sphinx of black quartz judge my vow.
>
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From darwinian.empire at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 10:12:43 2008
From: darwinian.empire at gmail.com (Roey Dror)
Date: Tue Nov  4 10:12:51 2008
Subject: GDM login without using a password
In-Reply-To: <c9f50ec40811040827n5c1f9a4cn60248bb476349c34@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c9f50ec40811040602h15b0ae36uf234b7b53ea81f28@mail.gmail.com>
	<1225808192.3407.16.camel@main.lerwick.hopto.org>
	<c9f50ec40811040632p203864c1h3432a1e60d4828fe@mail.gmail.com>
	<1225811203.3802.4.camel@main.lerwick.hopto.org>
	<c9f50ec40811040827n5c1f9a4cn60248bb476349c34@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c9f50ec40811041012nf2e450eo7e6c6d9f2edfd6a9@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Is there any other pam module which can supply a passwordless login?
> maybe pam_guest?
>

I figured it out.  Adding this line:
auth            sufficient      pam_guest.so            guests=username nopass
to /etc/pam.d/gdm
did the trick.

-- 
Roey
From noc at hdk5.net  Tue Nov  4 10:13:36 2008
From: noc at hdk5.net (Al Plant)
Date: Tue Nov  4 10:13:46 2008
Subject: 7.1-BETA2 installation on ASUS P4S8X fails BIG MEDIUM ERROR
In-Reply-To: <1225813899.2734.1.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be>
References: <49106440.4010906@kukulies.org>
	<1225813899.2734.1.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be>
Message-ID: <491090CE.1090900@hdk5.net>

Julien Cigar wrote:
> I've this problem too on almost all my machines. The only solution I've
> found is to disable DMA (atapi_dma), but then performances are very poor
> (and I'm still unable to burn a CD/DVD)
> 
> On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 16:03 +0100, Christoph Kukulies wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> don't know whether it's the CDROM drive (a Creative 52x mx) or the 
>> motherboard (ASUS P4S8X) or what.
>> Anyway, I tried to install a recent version of FreeBSD (7.1-BETA2) and 
>> the installation
>> hangs right in the boot process of the installation CD disc1.
>>
>> I see
>>
>> acd0: FAILURE - READ BIG MEDIUM ERROR asc=0x11 ascq=0x00
>> run_interrupt_driven_hooks: still waiting after 60 seconds for xpt_config
>> run_interrupt_driven_hooks: still waiting after 120 seconds for xpt_config
>> run_interrupt_driven_hooks: still waiting after 180 seconds for xpt_config
>>
>> and so on.
>>
>> Any clues?
>>
>> --
>> Christoph Kukulies
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>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
############

Aloha,

I have had similiar happen on 7 and 8 Freebsd installs recently.

If you install using safe mode it will work. Then in /boot/loader.conf

#boot/loader.conf
hw.ata.ata-dma=0
hw.ata.atapi_dma=0

This makes the HD and CD to  work for me after the install.

The error that comes up when you burn a CD seems to be bogus as I have 
used the CD's with out error for installing on other boxes.

~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii -  Phone:  808-284-2740
   + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org +
   + http://aloha50.net   - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* +
   < email: noc@hdk5.net >
"All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol

From dino_vliet at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  4 10:19:46 2008
From: dino_vliet at yahoo.com (Dino Vliet)
Date: Tue Nov  4 10:20:07 2008
Subject: yelp install error on amd64 running freebsd 6.3
Message-ID: <974071.37488.qm@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Dear freebsd people,
who is able to help me with this problem I have on my machine (a amd64 system running freebsd 6.3).

I can't install yelp and am at a dead end. 
The error message I get is (from the script output which I captured in a file):

Script started on Tue Nov  4 19:00:35 2008
# pwd
/usr/ports/x11/yelp
# make install clean

 yelp is using firefox for gecko support, but you can
 change that by defining WITH_GECKO to the following values:

   firefox 
   xulrunner 

=> yelp-2.22.1.tar.bz2 doesn't seem to exist in /usr/ports/distfiles/gnome2.
=> Attempting to fetch from ftp://ftp.belnet.be/mirror/ftp.gnome.org/sources/yelp/2.22/.
yelp-2.22.1.tar.bz2                             0% of  972 kB    0  Bpsyelp-2.22.1.tar.bz2                            73% of  972 kB 1113 kBpsyelp-2.22.1.tar.bz2                           100% of  972 kB 1211 kBps
===>  Extracting for yelp-2.22.1_1
=> MD5 Checksum OK for gnome2/yelp-2.22.1.tar.bz2.
=> SHA256 Checksum OK for gnome2/yelp-2.22.1.tar.bz2.
===>  Patching for yelp-2.22.1_1
===>  Applying FreeBSD patches for yelp-2.22.1_1
===>   yelp-2.22.1_1 depends on file: /usr/local/lib/firefox/libgtkembedmoz.so - found
===>   yelp-2.22.1_1 depends on executable: gmake - found
===>   yelp-2.22.1_1 depends on file: /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig/ice.pc - found
===>   yelp-2.22.1_1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/intltool-extract - found
===>   yelp-2.22.1_1 depends on file: /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig/gnome-mime-data-2.0.pc - found
===>   yelp-2.22.1_1 depends on executable: pkg-config - found
===>   yelp-2.22.1_1 depends on file: /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig/gnome-doc-utils.pc - found
===>   yelp-2.22.1_1 depends on shared library: dbus-glib-1.2 - found
===>   yelp-2.22.1_1 depends on shared library: rarian.0 - found
===>   yelp-2.22.1_1 depends on shared library: intl - found
===>   yelp-2.22.1_1 depends on shared library: esd.2 - found
===>   yelp-2.22.1_1 depends on shared library: atk-1.0.0 - found
===>   yelp-2.22.1_1 depends on shared library: gailutil.18 - found
===>   yelp-2.22.1_1 depends on shared library: gconf-2.4 - found
===>   yelp-2.22.1_1 depends on shared library: glib-2.0.0 - found
===>   yelp-2.22.1_1 depends on shared library: gnomevfs-2.0 - found
===>   yelp-2.22.1_1 depends on shared library: gtk-x11-2.0.0 - found
===>   yelp-2.22.1_1 depends on shared library: art_lgpl_2.5 - found
===>   yelp-2.22.1_1 depends on shared library: bonobo-2.0 - found
===>   yelp-2.22.1_1 depends on shared library: bonoboui-2.0 - found
===>   yelp-2.22.1_1 depends on shared library: glade-2.0.0 - found
===>   yelp-2.22.1_1 depends on shared library: gnome-2.0 - found
===>   yelp-2.22.1_1 depends on shared library: gnomecanvas-2.0 - found
===>   yelp-2.22.1_1 depends on shared library: gnomeui-2.0 - found
===>   yelp-2.22.1_1 depends on shared library: IDL-2.0 - found
===>   yelp-2.22.1_1 depends on shared library: xml2.5 - found
===>   yelp-2.22.1_1 depends on shared library: xslt.2 - found
===>   yelp-2.22.1_1 depends on shared library: ORBit-2.0 - found
===>   yelp-2.22.1_1 depends on shared library: pango-1.0.0 - found
===>  Configuring for yelp-2.22.1_1
checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c -o root -g wheel
checking whether build environment is sane... yes
checking for gawk... gawk
checking whether gmake sets $(MAKE)... yes
checking whether to enable maintainer-specific portions of Makefiles... no
checking for intltool >= 0.35.0... 0.35.0 found
checking for perl... /usr/bin/perl
checking for XML::Parser... ok
checking for iconv... /usr/local/bin/iconv
checking for msgfmt... /usr/local/bin/msgfmt
checking for msgmerge... /usr/local/bin/msgmerge
checking for xgettext... /usr/local/bin/xgettext
checking for gconftool-2... /usr/local/bin/gconftool-2
Using config source xml:merged:/usr/local/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults for schema installation
Using $(sysconfdir)/gconf/schemas as install directory for schema files
checking whether ln -s works... yes
checking for gcc... cc
checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out
checking whether the C compiler works... yes
checking whether we are cross compiling... no
checking for suffix of executables... 
checking for suffix of object files... o
checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes
checking whether cc accepts -g... yes
checking for cc option to accept ANSI C... none needed
checking for style of include used by gmake... GNU
checking dependency style of cc... gcc3
checking whether we are using the GNU C++ compiler... yes
checking whether c++ accepts -g... yes
checking dependency style of c++... gcc3
checking for gcc... (cached) cc
checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... (cached) yes
checking whether cc accepts -g... (cached) yes
checking for cc option to accept ANSI C... (cached) none needed
checking dependency style of cc... (cached) gcc3
checking for strerror in -lcposix... no
checking how to run the C preprocessor... cc -E
checking for egrep... grep -E
checking for ANSI C header files... yes
checking build system type... amd64-portbld-freebsd6.3
checking host system type... amd64-portbld-freebsd6.3
checking for a sed that does not truncate output... /usr/bin/sed
checking for ld used by cc... /usr/bin/ld
checking if the linker (/usr/bin/ld) is GNU ld... yes
checking for /usr/bin/ld option to reload object files... -r
checking for BSD-compatible nm... /usr/bin/nm -B
checking how to recognise dependent libraries... pass_all
checking for sys/types.h... yes
checking for sys/stat.h... yes
checking for stdlib.h... yes
checking for string.h... yes
checking for memory.h... yes
checking for strings.h... yes
checking for inttypes.h... yes
checking for stdint.h... yes
checking for unistd.h... yes
checking dlfcn.h usability... yes
checking dlfcn.h presence... yes
checking for dlfcn.h... yes
checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... c++ -E
checking for g77... no
checking for f77... f77
checking whether we are using the GNU Fortran 77 compiler... yes
checking whether f77 accepts -g... yes
checking the maximum length of command line arguments... (cached) 262144
checking command to parse /usr/bin/nm -B output from cc object... ok
checking for objdir... .libs
checking for ar... ar
checking for ranlib... ranlib
checking for strip... strip
checking if cc supports -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions... no
checking for cc option to produce PIC... -fPIC
checking if cc PIC flag -fPIC works... yes
checking if cc static flag -static works... yes
checking if cc supports -c -o file.o... yes
checking whether the cc linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... yes
checking whether -lc should be explicitly linked in... yes
checking dynamic linker characteristics... freebsd6.3 ld.so
checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate
checking whether stripping libraries is possible... yes
checking if libtool supports shared libraries... yes
checking whether to build shared libraries... yes
checking whether to build static libraries... yes
configure: creating libtool
appending configuration tag "CXX" to libtool
checking for ld used by c++... /usr/bin/ld
checking if the linker (/usr/bin/ld) is GNU ld... yes
checking whether the c++ linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... yes
checking for c++ option to produce PIC... -fPIC
checking if c++ PIC flag -fPIC works... yes
checking if c++ static flag -static works... yes
checking if c++ supports -c -o file.o... yes
checking whether the c++ linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... yes
checking dynamic linker characteristics... freebsd6.3 ld.so
checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate
appending configuration tag "F77" to libtool
checking if libtool supports shared libraries... yes
checking whether to build shared libraries... yes
checking whether to build static libraries... yes
checking for f77 option to produce PIC... -fPIC
checking if f77 PIC flag -fPIC works... yes
checking if f77 static flag -static works... yes
checking if f77 supports -c -o file.o... yes
checking whether the f77 linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... yes
checking dynamic linker characteristics... freebsd6.3 ld.so
checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate
checking for pkg-config... /usr/local/bin/pkg-config
checking pkg-config is at least version 0.7... yes
checking for GLIB - version >= 2.0.0... yes (version 2.16.5)
checking whether gcc understands -Wno-sign-compare... yes
checking what warning flags to pass to the C compiler... -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare
checking what language compliance flags to pass to the C compiler... 
checking what warning flags to pass to the C++ compiler... -Wall -Wno-unused
checking what language compliance flags to pass to the C++ compiler... 
checking locale.h usability... yes
checking locale.h presence... yes
checking for locale.h... yes
checking for LC_MESSAGES... yes
checking libintl.h usability... yes
checking libintl.h presence... yes
checking for libintl.h... yes
checking for ngettext in libc... no
checking for bindtextdomain in -lintl... yes
checking for ngettext in -lintl... yes
checking for dgettext in -lintl... yes
checking for bind_textdomain_codeset... yes
checking for msgfmt... /usr/local/bin/msgfmt
checking for dcgettext... yes
checking for gmsgfmt... /usr/local/bin/msgfmt
checking for xgettext... /usr/local/bin/xgettext
checking for YELP... yes
checking for gsed... /usr/bin/sed
checking for X... libraries /usr/local/lib, headers /usr/local/include
checking for gethostbyname... yes
checking for connect... yes
checking for remove... yes
checking for shmat... yes
checking for IceConnectionNumber in -lICE... yes
checking for YELP_SEARCH... no
checking for gawk... (cached) gawk
checking which gecko to use... firefox
checking for compiler -fshort-wchar option... yes
checking whether to enable C++ RTTI... no
checking whether we have a gtk 2 gecko build... yes
checking whether we have a gecko debug build... no
checking for gecko version... 1.8.1
checking for MOZILLA_COMPONENT... yes
checking for gzopen in -lz... yes
checking for lzmadec_open in -llzmadec... yes
checking for bzread in -lbz2... no
checking for BZ2_bzread in -lbz2... yes
configure: creating ./config.status
config.status: creating Makefile
config.status: creating src/Makefile
config.status: creating stylesheets/Makefile
config.status: creating stylesheets/db2html.xsl
config.status: creating stylesheets/db-title.xsl
config.status: creating data/Makefile
config.status: creating data/icons/Makefile
config.status: creating data/ui/Makefile
config.status: creating po/Makefile.in
config.status: creating yelp.desktop.in
config.status: creating config.h
config.status: executing intltool commands
config.status: executing depfiles commands
config.status: executing default-1 commands
config.status: executing po/stamp-it commands

yelp-2.22.1:

	prefix:                   /usr/local
	source code location:	  .
	compiler:		  cc

	Debug enabled:            no
	Search backend:           auto - basic
	Mozilla version:          firefox

===>  Building for yelp-2.22.1_1
gmake  all-recursive
gmake[1]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/x11/yelp/work/yelp-2.22.1'
Making all in src
gmake[2]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/x11/yelp/work/yelp-2.22.1/src'
gmake  all-am
gmake[3]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/x11/yelp/work/yelp-2.22.1/src'
if c++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I..  -I.. -I../src -I/usr/local/include/firefox/. -I/usr/local/include/firefox/commandhandler -I/usr/local/include/firefox/content -I/usr/local/include/firefox/docshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/dom -I/usr/local/include/firefox/fastfind -I/usr/local/include/firefox/find -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gtkembedmoz -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gfx -I/usr/local/include/firefox/layout -I/usr/local/include/firefox/necko -I/usr/local/include/firefox/pref -I/usr/local/include/firefox/string -I/usr/local/include/firefox/uriloader -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webbrwsr -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/widget -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=\"Yelp\" -DPREFIX=\""/usr/local"\" -DSYSCONFDIR=\""/usr/local/etc"\" -DDATADIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DLIBDIR=\""/usr/local/lib"\" -DIMAGEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/images/yelp"\" -DSERVERDIR=\"/usr/local/libexec\" -DBINDIR=\""/usr/local/bin"\" -DSHAREDIR=\""/usr/local/share/yelp"\"
 -DMOZILLA_HOME=\""/usr/local/lib/firefox\"" -DGDU_ICON_PATH=\"/usr/local/share/gnome-doc-utils/icons\"  -I/usr/local/include -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-unix-print-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0
 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/startup-notification-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/rarian    -I/usr/local/include/firefox -I/usr/local/include/firefox/xpcom -I/usr/local/include/firefox/string -I/usr/local/include/nspr -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gtkembedmoz   -fno-rtti  -fshort-wchar -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -Wall -Wno-unused  -Wno-ctor-dtor-privacy -Wno-non-virtual-dtor -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -MT yelp-Yelper.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/yelp-Yelper.Tpo" -c -o yelp-Yelper.o `test -f 'Yelper.cpp' || echo './'`Yelper.cpp; \
	then mv -f ".deps/yelp-Yelper.Tpo" ".deps/yelp-Yelper.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/yelp-Yelper.Tpo"; exit 1; fi
if cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I..  -I.. -I../src -I/usr/local/include/firefox/. -I/usr/local/include/firefox/commandhandler -I/usr/local/include/firefox/content -I/usr/local/include/firefox/docshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/dom -I/usr/local/include/firefox/fastfind -I/usr/local/include/firefox/find -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gtkembedmoz -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gfx -I/usr/local/include/firefox/layout -I/usr/local/include/firefox/necko -I/usr/local/include/firefox/pref -I/usr/local/include/firefox/string -I/usr/local/include/firefox/uriloader -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webbrwsr -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/widget -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=\"Yelp\" -DPREFIX=\""/usr/local"\" -DSYSCONFDIR=\""/usr/local/etc"\" -DDATADIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DLIBDIR=\""/usr/local/lib"\" -DIMAGEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/images/yelp"\" -DSERVERDIR=\"/usr/local/libexec\" -DBINDIR=\""/usr/local/bin"\" -DSHAREDIR=\""/usr/local/share/yelp"\"
 -DMOZILLA_HOME=\""/usr/local/lib/firefox\"" -DGDU_ICON_PATH=\"/usr/local/share/gnome-doc-utils/icons\"  -I/usr/local/include -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-unix-print-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0
 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/startup-notification-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/rarian    -Wall -Wno-uninitialized -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare   -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -MT yelp-yelp-base.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/yelp-yelp-base.Tpo" -c -o yelp-yelp-base.o `test -f 'yelp-base.c' || echo './'`yelp-base.c; \
	then mv -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-base.Tpo" ".deps/yelp-yelp-base.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-base.Tpo"; exit 1; fi
if cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I..  -I.. -I../src -I/usr/local/include/firefox/. -I/usr/local/include/firefox/commandhandler -I/usr/local/include/firefox/content -I/usr/local/include/firefox/docshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/dom -I/usr/local/include/firefox/fastfind -I/usr/local/include/firefox/find -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gtkembedmoz -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gfx -I/usr/local/include/firefox/layout -I/usr/local/include/firefox/necko -I/usr/local/include/firefox/pref -I/usr/local/include/firefox/string -I/usr/local/include/firefox/uriloader -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webbrwsr -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/widget -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=\"Yelp\" -DPREFIX=\""/usr/local"\" -DSYSCONFDIR=\""/usr/local/etc"\" -DDATADIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DLIBDIR=\""/usr/local/lib"\" -DIMAGEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/images/yelp"\" -DSERVERDIR=\"/usr/local/libexec\" -DBINDIR=\""/usr/local/bin"\" -DSHAREDIR=\""/usr/local/share/yelp"\"
 -DMOZILLA_HOME=\""/usr/local/lib/firefox\"" -DGDU_ICON_PATH=\"/usr/local/share/gnome-doc-utils/icons\"  -I/usr/local/include -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-unix-print-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0
 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/startup-notification-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/rarian    -Wall -Wno-uninitialized -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare   -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -MT yelp-yelp-bookmarks.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/yelp-yelp-bookmarks.Tpo" -c -o yelp-yelp-bookmarks.o `test -f 'yelp-bookmarks.c' || echo './'`yelp-bookmarks.c; \
	then mv -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-bookmarks.Tpo" ".deps/yelp-yelp-bookmarks.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-bookmarks.Tpo"; exit 1; fi
yelp-bookmarks.c: In function `yelp_bookmarks_add':
yelp-bookmarks.c:310: warning: null format string
if cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I..  -I.. -I../src -I/usr/local/include/firefox/. -I/usr/local/include/firefox/commandhandler -I/usr/local/include/firefox/content -I/usr/local/include/firefox/docshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/dom -I/usr/local/include/firefox/fastfind -I/usr/local/include/firefox/find -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gtkembedmoz -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gfx -I/usr/local/include/firefox/layout -I/usr/local/include/firefox/necko -I/usr/local/include/firefox/pref -I/usr/local/include/firefox/string -I/usr/local/include/firefox/uriloader -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webbrwsr -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/widget -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=\"Yelp\" -DPREFIX=\""/usr/local"\" -DSYSCONFDIR=\""/usr/local/etc"\" -DDATADIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DLIBDIR=\""/usr/local/lib"\" -DIMAGEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/images/yelp"\" -DSERVERDIR=\"/usr/local/libexec\" -DBINDIR=\""/usr/local/bin"\" -DSHAREDIR=\""/usr/local/share/yelp"\"
 -DMOZILLA_HOME=\""/usr/local/lib/firefox\"" -DGDU_ICON_PATH=\"/usr/local/share/gnome-doc-utils/icons\"  -I/usr/local/include -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-unix-print-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0
 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/startup-notification-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/rarian    -Wall -Wno-uninitialized -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare   -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -MT yelp-yelp-debug.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/yelp-yelp-debug.Tpo" -c -o yelp-yelp-debug.o `test -f 'yelp-debug.c' || echo './'`yelp-debug.c; \
	then mv -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-debug.Tpo" ".deps/yelp-yelp-debug.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-debug.Tpo"; exit 1; fi
if cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I..  -I.. -I../src -I/usr/local/include/firefox/. -I/usr/local/include/firefox/commandhandler -I/usr/local/include/firefox/content -I/usr/local/include/firefox/docshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/dom -I/usr/local/include/firefox/fastfind -I/usr/local/include/firefox/find -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gtkembedmoz -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gfx -I/usr/local/include/firefox/layout -I/usr/local/include/firefox/necko -I/usr/local/include/firefox/pref -I/usr/local/include/firefox/string -I/usr/local/include/firefox/uriloader -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webbrwsr -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/widget -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=\"Yelp\" -DPREFIX=\""/usr/local"\" -DSYSCONFDIR=\""/usr/local/etc"\" -DDATADIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DLIBDIR=\""/usr/local/lib"\" -DIMAGEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/images/yelp"\" -DSERVERDIR=\"/usr/local/libexec\" -DBINDIR=\""/usr/local/bin"\" -DSHAREDIR=\""/usr/local/share/yelp"\"
 -DMOZILLA_HOME=\""/usr/local/lib/firefox\"" -DGDU_ICON_PATH=\"/usr/local/share/gnome-doc-utils/icons\"  -I/usr/local/include -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-unix-print-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0
 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/startup-notification-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/rarian    -Wall -Wno-uninitialized -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare   -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -MT yelp-yelp-error.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/yelp-yelp-error.Tpo" -c -o yelp-yelp-error.o `test -f 'yelp-error.c' || echo './'`yelp-error.c; \
	then mv -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-error.Tpo" ".deps/yelp-yelp-error.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-error.Tpo"; exit 1; fi
if c++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I..  -I.. -I../src -I/usr/local/include/firefox/. -I/usr/local/include/firefox/commandhandler -I/usr/local/include/firefox/content -I/usr/local/include/firefox/docshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/dom -I/usr/local/include/firefox/fastfind -I/usr/local/include/firefox/find -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gtkembedmoz -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gfx -I/usr/local/include/firefox/layout -I/usr/local/include/firefox/necko -I/usr/local/include/firefox/pref -I/usr/local/include/firefox/string -I/usr/local/include/firefox/uriloader -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webbrwsr -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/widget -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=\"Yelp\" -DPREFIX=\""/usr/local"\" -DSYSCONFDIR=\""/usr/local/etc"\" -DDATADIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DLIBDIR=\""/usr/local/lib"\" -DIMAGEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/images/yelp"\" -DSERVERDIR=\"/usr/local/libexec\" -DBINDIR=\""/usr/local/bin"\" -DSHAREDIR=\""/usr/local/share/yelp"\"
 -DMOZILLA_HOME=\""/usr/local/lib/firefox\"" -DGDU_ICON_PATH=\"/usr/local/share/gnome-doc-utils/icons\"  -I/usr/local/include -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-unix-print-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0
 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/startup-notification-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/rarian    -I/usr/local/include/firefox -I/usr/local/include/firefox/xpcom -I/usr/local/include/firefox/string -I/usr/local/include/nspr -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gtkembedmoz   -fno-rtti  -fshort-wchar -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -Wall -Wno-unused  -Wno-ctor-dtor-privacy -Wno-non-virtual-dtor -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -MT yelp-yelp-gecko-utils.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/yelp-yelp-gecko-utils.Tpo" -c -o yelp-yelp-gecko-utils.o `test -f 'yelp-gecko-utils.cpp' || echo './'`yelp-gecko-utils.cpp; \
	then mv -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-gecko-utils.Tpo" ".deps/yelp-yelp-gecko-utils.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-gecko-utils.Tpo"; exit 1; fi
if c++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I..  -I.. -I../src -I/usr/local/include/firefox/. -I/usr/local/include/firefox/commandhandler -I/usr/local/include/firefox/content -I/usr/local/include/firefox/docshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/dom -I/usr/local/include/firefox/fastfind -I/usr/local/include/firefox/find -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gtkembedmoz -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gfx -I/usr/local/include/firefox/layout -I/usr/local/include/firefox/necko -I/usr/local/include/firefox/pref -I/usr/local/include/firefox/string -I/usr/local/include/firefox/uriloader -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webbrwsr -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/widget -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=\"Yelp\" -DPREFIX=\""/usr/local"\" -DSYSCONFDIR=\""/usr/local/etc"\" -DDATADIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DLIBDIR=\""/usr/local/lib"\" -DIMAGEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/images/yelp"\" -DSERVERDIR=\"/usr/local/libexec\" -DBINDIR=\""/usr/local/bin"\" -DSHAREDIR=\""/usr/local/share/yelp"\"
 -DMOZILLA_HOME=\""/usr/local/lib/firefox\"" -DGDU_ICON_PATH=\"/usr/local/share/gnome-doc-utils/icons\"  -I/usr/local/include -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-unix-print-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0
 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/startup-notification-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/rarian    -I/usr/local/include/firefox -I/usr/local/include/firefox/xpcom -I/usr/local/include/firefox/string -I/usr/local/include/nspr -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gtkembedmoz   -fno-rtti  -fshort-wchar -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -Wall -Wno-unused  -Wno-ctor-dtor-privacy -Wno-non-virtual-dtor -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -MT yelp-yelp-html.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/yelp-yelp-html.Tpo" -c -o yelp-yelp-html.o `test -f 'yelp-html.cpp' || echo './'`yelp-html.cpp; \
	then mv -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-html.Tpo" ".deps/yelp-yelp-html.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-html.Tpo"; exit 1; fi
if cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I..  -I.. -I../src -I/usr/local/include/firefox/. -I/usr/local/include/firefox/commandhandler -I/usr/local/include/firefox/content -I/usr/local/include/firefox/docshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/dom -I/usr/local/include/firefox/fastfind -I/usr/local/include/firefox/find -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gtkembedmoz -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gfx -I/usr/local/include/firefox/layout -I/usr/local/include/firefox/necko -I/usr/local/include/firefox/pref -I/usr/local/include/firefox/string -I/usr/local/include/firefox/uriloader -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webbrwsr -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/widget -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=\"Yelp\" -DPREFIX=\""/usr/local"\" -DSYSCONFDIR=\""/usr/local/etc"\" -DDATADIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DLIBDIR=\""/usr/local/lib"\" -DIMAGEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/images/yelp"\" -DSERVERDIR=\"/usr/local/libexec\" -DBINDIR=\""/usr/local/bin"\" -DSHAREDIR=\""/usr/local/share/yelp"\"
 -DMOZILLA_HOME=\""/usr/local/lib/firefox\"" -DGDU_ICON_PATH=\"/usr/local/share/gnome-doc-utils/icons\"  -I/usr/local/include -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-unix-print-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0
 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/startup-notification-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/rarian    -Wall -Wno-uninitialized -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare   -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -MT yelp-yelp-io-channel.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/yelp-yelp-io-channel.Tpo" -c -o yelp-yelp-io-channel.o `test -f 'yelp-io-channel.c' || echo './'`yelp-io-channel.c; \
	then mv -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-io-channel.Tpo" ".deps/yelp-yelp-io-channel.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-io-channel.Tpo"; exit 1; fi
if cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I..  -I.. -I../src -I/usr/local/include/firefox/. -I/usr/local/include/firefox/commandhandler -I/usr/local/include/firefox/content -I/usr/local/include/firefox/docshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/dom -I/usr/local/include/firefox/fastfind -I/usr/local/include/firefox/find -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gtkembedmoz -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gfx -I/usr/local/include/firefox/layout -I/usr/local/include/firefox/necko -I/usr/local/include/firefox/pref -I/usr/local/include/firefox/string -I/usr/local/include/firefox/uriloader -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webbrwsr -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/widget -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=\"Yelp\" -DPREFIX=\""/usr/local"\" -DSYSCONFDIR=\""/usr/local/etc"\" -DDATADIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DLIBDIR=\""/usr/local/lib"\" -DIMAGEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/images/yelp"\" -DSERVERDIR=\"/usr/local/libexec\" -DBINDIR=\""/usr/local/bin"\" -DSHAREDIR=\""/usr/local/share/yelp"\"
 -DMOZILLA_HOME=\""/usr/local/lib/firefox\"" -DGDU_ICON_PATH=\"/usr/local/share/gnome-doc-utils/icons\"  -I/usr/local/include -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-unix-print-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0
 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/startup-notification-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/rarian    -Wall -Wno-uninitialized -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare   -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -MT yelp-yelp-settings.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/yelp-yelp-settings.Tpo" -c -o yelp-yelp-settings.o `test -f 'yelp-settings.c' || echo './'`yelp-settings.c; \
	then mv -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-settings.Tpo" ".deps/yelp-yelp-settings.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-settings.Tpo"; exit 1; fi
if cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I..  -I.. -I../src -I/usr/local/include/firefox/. -I/usr/local/include/firefox/commandhandler -I/usr/local/include/firefox/content -I/usr/local/include/firefox/docshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/dom -I/usr/local/include/firefox/fastfind -I/usr/local/include/firefox/find -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gtkembedmoz -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gfx -I/usr/local/include/firefox/layout -I/usr/local/include/firefox/necko -I/usr/local/include/firefox/pref -I/usr/local/include/firefox/string -I/usr/local/include/firefox/uriloader -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webbrwsr -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/widget -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=\"Yelp\" -DPREFIX=\""/usr/local"\" -DSYSCONFDIR=\""/usr/local/etc"\" -DDATADIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DLIBDIR=\""/usr/local/lib"\" -DIMAGEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/images/yelp"\" -DSERVERDIR=\"/usr/local/libexec\" -DBINDIR=\""/usr/local/bin"\" -DSHAREDIR=\""/usr/local/share/yelp"\"
 -DMOZILLA_HOME=\""/usr/local/lib/firefox\"" -DGDU_ICON_PATH=\"/usr/local/share/gnome-doc-utils/icons\"  -I/usr/local/include -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-unix-print-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0
 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/startup-notification-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/rarian    -Wall -Wno-uninitialized -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare   -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -MT yelp-yelp-utils.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/yelp-yelp-utils.Tpo" -c -o yelp-yelp-utils.o `test -f 'yelp-utils.c' || echo './'`yelp-utils.c; \
	then mv -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-utils.Tpo" ".deps/yelp-yelp-utils.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-utils.Tpo"; exit 1; fi
if cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I..  -I.. -I../src -I/usr/local/include/firefox/. -I/usr/local/include/firefox/commandhandler -I/usr/local/include/firefox/content -I/usr/local/include/firefox/docshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/dom -I/usr/local/include/firefox/fastfind -I/usr/local/include/firefox/find -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gtkembedmoz -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gfx -I/usr/local/include/firefox/layout -I/usr/local/include/firefox/necko -I/usr/local/include/firefox/pref -I/usr/local/include/firefox/string -I/usr/local/include/firefox/uriloader -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webbrwsr -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/widget -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=\"Yelp\" -DPREFIX=\""/usr/local"\" -DSYSCONFDIR=\""/usr/local/etc"\" -DDATADIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DLIBDIR=\""/usr/local/lib"\" -DIMAGEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/images/yelp"\" -DSERVERDIR=\"/usr/local/libexec\" -DBINDIR=\""/usr/local/bin"\" -DSHAREDIR=\""/usr/local/share/yelp"\"
 -DMOZILLA_HOME=\""/usr/local/lib/firefox\"" -DGDU_ICON_PATH=\"/usr/local/share/gnome-doc-utils/icons\"  -I/usr/local/include -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-unix-print-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0
 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/startup-notification-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/rarian    -Wall -Wno-uninitialized -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare   -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -MT yelp-yelp-window.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/yelp-yelp-window.Tpo" -c -o yelp-yelp-window.o `test -f 'yelp-window.c' || echo './'`yelp-window.c; \
	then mv -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-window.Tpo" ".deps/yelp-yelp-window.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-window.Tpo"; exit 1; fi
if cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I..  -I.. -I../src -I/usr/local/include/firefox/. -I/usr/local/include/firefox/commandhandler -I/usr/local/include/firefox/content -I/usr/local/include/firefox/docshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/dom -I/usr/local/include/firefox/fastfind -I/usr/local/include/firefox/find -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gtkembedmoz -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gfx -I/usr/local/include/firefox/layout -I/usr/local/include/firefox/necko -I/usr/local/include/firefox/pref -I/usr/local/include/firefox/string -I/usr/local/include/firefox/uriloader -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webbrwsr -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/widget -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=\"Yelp\" -DPREFIX=\""/usr/local"\" -DSYSCONFDIR=\""/usr/local/etc"\" -DDATADIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DLIBDIR=\""/usr/local/lib"\" -DIMAGEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/images/yelp"\" -DSERVERDIR=\"/usr/local/libexec\" -DBINDIR=\""/usr/local/bin"\" -DSHAREDIR=\""/usr/local/share/yelp"\"
 -DMOZILLA_HOME=\""/usr/local/lib/firefox\"" -DGDU_ICON_PATH=\"/usr/local/share/gnome-doc-utils/icons\"  -I/usr/local/include -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-unix-print-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0
 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/startup-notification-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/rarian    -Wall -Wno-uninitialized -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare   -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -MT yelp-yelp-marshal.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/yelp-yelp-marshal.Tpo" -c -o yelp-yelp-marshal.o `test -f 'yelp-marshal.c' || echo './'`yelp-marshal.c; \
	then mv -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-marshal.Tpo" ".deps/yelp-yelp-marshal.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-marshal.Tpo"; exit 1; fi
yelp-marshal.c:58: warning: no previous prototype for 'yelp_marshal_VOID__POINTER_BOOLEAN'
yelp-marshal.c:99: warning: no previous prototype for 'yelp_marshal_VOID__STRING_INT'
yelp-marshal.c:138: warning: no previous prototype for 'yelp_marshal_BOOLEAN__POINTER_BOOLEAN'
if cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I..  -I.. -I../src -I/usr/local/include/firefox/. -I/usr/local/include/firefox/commandhandler -I/usr/local/include/firefox/content -I/usr/local/include/firefox/docshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/dom -I/usr/local/include/firefox/fastfind -I/usr/local/include/firefox/find -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gtkembedmoz -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gfx -I/usr/local/include/firefox/layout -I/usr/local/include/firefox/necko -I/usr/local/include/firefox/pref -I/usr/local/include/firefox/string -I/usr/local/include/firefox/uriloader -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webbrwsr -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/widget -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=\"Yelp\" -DPREFIX=\""/usr/local"\" -DSYSCONFDIR=\""/usr/local/etc"\" -DDATADIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DLIBDIR=\""/usr/local/lib"\" -DIMAGEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/images/yelp"\" -DSERVERDIR=\"/usr/local/libexec\" -DBINDIR=\""/usr/local/bin"\" -DSHAREDIR=\""/usr/local/share/yelp"\"
 -DMOZILLA_HOME=\""/usr/local/lib/firefox\"" -DGDU_ICON_PATH=\"/usr/local/share/gnome-doc-utils/icons\"  -I/usr/local/include -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-unix-print-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0
 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/startup-notification-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/rarian    -Wall -Wno-uninitialized -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare   -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -MT yelp-yelp-main.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/yelp-yelp-main.Tpo" -c -o yelp-yelp-main.o `test -f 'yelp-main.c' || echo './'`yelp-main.c; \
	then mv -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-main.Tpo" ".deps/yelp-yelp-main.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-main.Tpo"; exit 1; fi
if cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I..  -I.. -I../src -I/usr/local/include/firefox/. -I/usr/local/include/firefox/commandhandler -I/usr/local/include/firefox/content -I/usr/local/include/firefox/docshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/dom -I/usr/local/include/firefox/fastfind -I/usr/local/include/firefox/find -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gtkembedmoz -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gfx -I/usr/local/include/firefox/layout -I/usr/local/include/firefox/necko -I/usr/local/include/firefox/pref -I/usr/local/include/firefox/string -I/usr/local/include/firefox/uriloader -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webbrwsr -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/widget -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=\"Yelp\" -DPREFIX=\""/usr/local"\" -DSYSCONFDIR=\""/usr/local/etc"\" -DDATADIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DLIBDIR=\""/usr/local/lib"\" -DIMAGEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/images/yelp"\" -DSERVERDIR=\"/usr/local/libexec\" -DBINDIR=\""/usr/local/bin"\" -DSHAREDIR=\""/usr/local/share/yelp"\"
 -DMOZILLA_HOME=\""/usr/local/lib/firefox\"" -DGDU_ICON_PATH=\"/usr/local/share/gnome-doc-utils/icons\"  -I/usr/local/include -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-unix-print-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0
 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/startup-notification-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/rarian    -Wall -Wno-uninitialized -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare   -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -MT yelp-yelp-print.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/yelp-yelp-print.Tpo" -c -o yelp-yelp-print.o `test -f 'yelp-print.c' || echo './'`yelp-print.c; \
	then mv -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-print.Tpo" ".deps/yelp-yelp-print.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-print.Tpo"; exit 1; fi
if cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I..  -I.. -I../src -I/usr/local/include/firefox/. -I/usr/local/include/firefox/commandhandler -I/usr/local/include/firefox/content -I/usr/local/include/firefox/docshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/dom -I/usr/local/include/firefox/fastfind -I/usr/local/include/firefox/find -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gtkembedmoz -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gfx -I/usr/local/include/firefox/layout -I/usr/local/include/firefox/necko -I/usr/local/include/firefox/pref -I/usr/local/include/firefox/string -I/usr/local/include/firefox/uriloader -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webbrwsr -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/widget -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=\"Yelp\" -DPREFIX=\""/usr/local"\" -DSYSCONFDIR=\""/usr/local/etc"\" -DDATADIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DLIBDIR=\""/usr/local/lib"\" -DIMAGEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/images/yelp"\" -DSERVERDIR=\"/usr/local/libexec\" -DBINDIR=\""/usr/local/bin"\" -DSHAREDIR=\""/usr/local/share/yelp"\"
 -DMOZILLA_HOME=\""/usr/local/lib/firefox\"" -DGDU_ICON_PATH=\"/usr/local/share/gnome-doc-utils/icons\"  -I/usr/local/include -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-unix-print-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0
 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/startup-notification-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/rarian    -Wall -Wno-uninitialized -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare   -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -MT yelp-yelp-page.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/yelp-yelp-page.Tpo" -c -o yelp-yelp-page.o `test -f 'yelp-page.c' || echo './'`yelp-page.c; \
	then mv -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-page.Tpo" ".deps/yelp-yelp-page.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-page.Tpo"; exit 1; fi
if cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I..  -I.. -I../src -I/usr/local/include/firefox/. -I/usr/local/include/firefox/commandhandler -I/usr/local/include/firefox/content -I/usr/local/include/firefox/docshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/dom -I/usr/local/include/firefox/fastfind -I/usr/local/include/firefox/find -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gtkembedmoz -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gfx -I/usr/local/include/firefox/layout -I/usr/local/include/firefox/necko -I/usr/local/include/firefox/pref -I/usr/local/include/firefox/string -I/usr/local/include/firefox/uriloader -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webbrwsr -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/widget -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=\"Yelp\" -DPREFIX=\""/usr/local"\" -DSYSCONFDIR=\""/usr/local/etc"\" -DDATADIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DLIBDIR=\""/usr/local/lib"\" -DIMAGEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/images/yelp"\" -DSERVERDIR=\"/usr/local/libexec\" -DBINDIR=\""/usr/local/bin"\" -DSHAREDIR=\""/usr/local/share/yelp"\"
 -DMOZILLA_HOME=\""/usr/local/lib/firefox\"" -DGDU_ICON_PATH=\"/usr/local/share/gnome-doc-utils/icons\"  -I/usr/local/include -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-unix-print-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0
 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/startup-notification-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/rarian    -Wall -Wno-uninitialized -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare   -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -MT yelp-yelp-transform.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/yelp-yelp-transform.Tpo" -c -o yelp-yelp-transform.o `test -f 'yelp-transform.c' || echo './'`yelp-transform.c; \
	then mv -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-transform.Tpo" ".deps/yelp-yelp-transform.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-transform.Tpo"; exit 1; fi
if c++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I..  -I.. -I../src -I/usr/local/include/firefox/. -I/usr/local/include/firefox/commandhandler -I/usr/local/include/firefox/content -I/usr/local/include/firefox/docshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/dom -I/usr/local/include/firefox/fastfind -I/usr/local/include/firefox/find -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gtkembedmoz -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gfx -I/usr/local/include/firefox/layout -I/usr/local/include/firefox/necko -I/usr/local/include/firefox/pref -I/usr/local/include/firefox/string -I/usr/local/include/firefox/uriloader -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webbrwsr -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/widget -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=\"Yelp\" -DPREFIX=\""/usr/local"\" -DSYSCONFDIR=\""/usr/local/etc"\" -DDATADIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DLIBDIR=\""/usr/local/lib"\" -DIMAGEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/images/yelp"\" -DSERVERDIR=\"/usr/local/libexec\" -DBINDIR=\""/usr/local/bin"\" -DSHAREDIR=\""/usr/local/share/yelp"\"
 -DMOZILLA_HOME=\""/usr/local/lib/firefox\"" -DGDU_ICON_PATH=\"/usr/local/share/gnome-doc-utils/icons\"  -I/usr/local/include -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-unix-print-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0
 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/startup-notification-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/rarian    -I/usr/local/include/firefox -I/usr/local/include/firefox/xpcom -I/usr/local/include/firefox/string -I/usr/local/include/nspr -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gtkembedmoz   -fno-rtti  -fshort-wchar -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -Wall -Wno-unused  -Wno-ctor-dtor-privacy -Wno-non-virtual-dtor -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -MT yelp-yelp-gecko-services.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/yelp-yelp-gecko-services.Tpo" -c -o yelp-yelp-gecko-services.o `test -f 'yelp-gecko-services.cpp' || echo './'`yelp-gecko-services.cpp; \
	then mv -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-gecko-services.Tpo" ".deps/yelp-yelp-gecko-services.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-gecko-services.Tpo"; exit 1; fi
if cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I..  -I.. -I../src -I/usr/local/include/firefox/. -I/usr/local/include/firefox/commandhandler -I/usr/local/include/firefox/content -I/usr/local/include/firefox/docshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/dom -I/usr/local/include/firefox/fastfind -I/usr/local/include/firefox/find -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gtkembedmoz -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gfx -I/usr/local/include/firefox/layout -I/usr/local/include/firefox/necko -I/usr/local/include/firefox/pref -I/usr/local/include/firefox/string -I/usr/local/include/firefox/uriloader -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webbrwsr -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/widget -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=\"Yelp\" -DPREFIX=\""/usr/local"\" -DSYSCONFDIR=\""/usr/local/etc"\" -DDATADIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DLIBDIR=\""/usr/local/lib"\" -DIMAGEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/images/yelp"\" -DSERVERDIR=\"/usr/local/libexec\" -DBINDIR=\""/usr/local/bin"\" -DSHAREDIR=\""/usr/local/share/yelp"\"
 -DMOZILLA_HOME=\""/usr/local/lib/firefox\"" -DGDU_ICON_PATH=\"/usr/local/share/gnome-doc-utils/icons\"  -I/usr/local/include -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-unix-print-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0
 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/startup-notification-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/rarian    -Wall -Wno-uninitialized -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare   -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -MT yelp-yelp-document.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/yelp-yelp-document.Tpo" -c -o yelp-yelp-document.o `test -f 'yelp-document.c' || echo './'`yelp-document.c; \
	then mv -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-document.Tpo" ".deps/yelp-yelp-document.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-document.Tpo"; exit 1; fi
if cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I..  -I.. -I../src -I/usr/local/include/firefox/. -I/usr/local/include/firefox/commandhandler -I/usr/local/include/firefox/content -I/usr/local/include/firefox/docshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/dom -I/usr/local/include/firefox/fastfind -I/usr/local/include/firefox/find -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gtkembedmoz -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gfx -I/usr/local/include/firefox/layout -I/usr/local/include/firefox/necko -I/usr/local/include/firefox/pref -I/usr/local/include/firefox/string -I/usr/local/include/firefox/uriloader -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webbrwsr -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/widget -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=\"Yelp\" -DPREFIX=\""/usr/local"\" -DSYSCONFDIR=\""/usr/local/etc"\" -DDATADIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DLIBDIR=\""/usr/local/lib"\" -DIMAGEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/images/yelp"\" -DSERVERDIR=\"/usr/local/libexec\" -DBINDIR=\""/usr/local/bin"\" -DSHAREDIR=\""/usr/local/share/yelp"\"
 -DMOZILLA_HOME=\""/usr/local/lib/firefox\"" -DGDU_ICON_PATH=\"/usr/local/share/gnome-doc-utils/icons\"  -I/usr/local/include -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-unix-print-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0
 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/startup-notification-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/rarian    -Wall -Wno-uninitialized -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare   -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -MT yelp-yelp-toc.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/yelp-yelp-toc.Tpo" -c -o yelp-yelp-toc.o `test -f 'yelp-toc.c' || echo './'`yelp-toc.c; \
	then mv -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-toc.Tpo" ".deps/yelp-yelp-toc.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-toc.Tpo"; exit 1; fi
if cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I..  -I.. -I../src -I/usr/local/include/firefox/. -I/usr/local/include/firefox/commandhandler -I/usr/local/include/firefox/content -I/usr/local/include/firefox/docshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/dom -I/usr/local/include/firefox/fastfind -I/usr/local/include/firefox/find -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gtkembedmoz -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gfx -I/usr/local/include/firefox/layout -I/usr/local/include/firefox/necko -I/usr/local/include/firefox/pref -I/usr/local/include/firefox/string -I/usr/local/include/firefox/uriloader -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webbrwsr -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/widget -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=\"Yelp\" -DPREFIX=\""/usr/local"\" -DSYSCONFDIR=\""/usr/local/etc"\" -DDATADIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DLIBDIR=\""/usr/local/lib"\" -DIMAGEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/images/yelp"\" -DSERVERDIR=\"/usr/local/libexec\" -DBINDIR=\""/usr/local/bin"\" -DSHAREDIR=\""/usr/local/share/yelp"\"
 -DMOZILLA_HOME=\""/usr/local/lib/firefox\"" -DGDU_ICON_PATH=\"/usr/local/share/gnome-doc-utils/icons\"  -I/usr/local/include -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-unix-print-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0
 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/startup-notification-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/rarian    -Wall -Wno-uninitialized -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare   -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -MT yelp-yelp-docbook.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/yelp-yelp-docbook.Tpo" -c -o yelp-yelp-docbook.o `test -f 'yelp-docbook.c' || echo './'`yelp-docbook.c; \
	then mv -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-docbook.Tpo" ".deps/yelp-yelp-docbook.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-docbook.Tpo"; exit 1; fi
if cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I..  -I.. -I../src -I/usr/local/include/firefox/. -I/usr/local/include/firefox/commandhandler -I/usr/local/include/firefox/content -I/usr/local/include/firefox/docshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/dom -I/usr/local/include/firefox/fastfind -I/usr/local/include/firefox/find -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gtkembedmoz -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gfx -I/usr/local/include/firefox/layout -I/usr/local/include/firefox/necko -I/usr/local/include/firefox/pref -I/usr/local/include/firefox/string -I/usr/local/include/firefox/uriloader -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webbrwsr -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/widget -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=\"Yelp\" -DPREFIX=\""/usr/local"\" -DSYSCONFDIR=\""/usr/local/etc"\" -DDATADIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DLIBDIR=\""/usr/local/lib"\" -DIMAGEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/images/yelp"\" -DSERVERDIR=\"/usr/local/libexec\" -DBINDIR=\""/usr/local/bin"\" -DSHAREDIR=\""/usr/local/share/yelp"\"
 -DMOZILLA_HOME=\""/usr/local/lib/firefox\"" -DGDU_ICON_PATH=\"/usr/local/share/gnome-doc-utils/icons\"  -I/usr/local/include -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-unix-print-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0
 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/startup-notification-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/rarian    -Wall -Wno-uninitialized -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare   -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -MT yelp-yelp-db-print.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/yelp-yelp-db-print.Tpo" -c -o yelp-yelp-db-print.o `test -f 'yelp-db-print.c' || echo './'`yelp-db-print.c; \
	then mv -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-db-print.Tpo" ".deps/yelp-yelp-db-print.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-db-print.Tpo"; exit 1; fi
if cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I..  -I.. -I../src -I/usr/local/include/firefox/. -I/usr/local/include/firefox/commandhandler -I/usr/local/include/firefox/content -I/usr/local/include/firefox/docshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/dom -I/usr/local/include/firefox/fastfind -I/usr/local/include/firefox/find -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gtkembedmoz -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gfx -I/usr/local/include/firefox/layout -I/usr/local/include/firefox/necko -I/usr/local/include/firefox/pref -I/usr/local/include/firefox/string -I/usr/local/include/firefox/uriloader -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webbrwsr -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/widget -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=\"Yelp\" -DPREFIX=\""/usr/local"\" -DSYSCONFDIR=\""/usr/local/etc"\" -DDATADIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DLIBDIR=\""/usr/local/lib"\" -DIMAGEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/images/yelp"\" -DSERVERDIR=\"/usr/local/libexec\" -DBINDIR=\""/usr/local/bin"\" -DSHAREDIR=\""/usr/local/share/yelp"\"
 -DMOZILLA_HOME=\""/usr/local/lib/firefox\"" -DGDU_ICON_PATH=\"/usr/local/share/gnome-doc-utils/icons\"  -I/usr/local/include -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-unix-print-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0
 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/startup-notification-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/rarian    -Wall -Wno-uninitialized -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare   -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -MT yelp-yelp-man-parser.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/yelp-yelp-man-parser.Tpo" -c -o yelp-yelp-man-parser.o `test -f 'yelp-man-parser.c' || echo './'`yelp-man-parser.c; \
	then mv -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-man-parser.Tpo" ".deps/yelp-yelp-man-parser.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-man-parser.Tpo"; exit 1; fi
if cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I..  -I.. -I../src -I/usr/local/include/firefox/. -I/usr/local/include/firefox/commandhandler -I/usr/local/include/firefox/content -I/usr/local/include/firefox/docshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/dom -I/usr/local/include/firefox/fastfind -I/usr/local/include/firefox/find -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gtkembedmoz -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gfx -I/usr/local/include/firefox/layout -I/usr/local/include/firefox/necko -I/usr/local/include/firefox/pref -I/usr/local/include/firefox/string -I/usr/local/include/firefox/uriloader -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webbrwsr -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/widget -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=\"Yelp\" -DPREFIX=\""/usr/local"\" -DSYSCONFDIR=\""/usr/local/etc"\" -DDATADIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DLIBDIR=\""/usr/local/lib"\" -DIMAGEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/images/yelp"\" -DSERVERDIR=\"/usr/local/libexec\" -DBINDIR=\""/usr/local/bin"\" -DSHAREDIR=\""/usr/local/share/yelp"\"
 -DMOZILLA_HOME=\""/usr/local/lib/firefox\"" -DGDU_ICON_PATH=\"/usr/local/share/gnome-doc-utils/icons\"  -I/usr/local/include -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-unix-print-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0
 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/startup-notification-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/rarian    -Wall -Wno-uninitialized -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare   -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -MT yelp-yelp-man.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/yelp-yelp-man.Tpo" -c -o yelp-yelp-man.o `test -f 'yelp-man.c' || echo './'`yelp-man.c; \
	then mv -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-man.Tpo" ".deps/yelp-yelp-man.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-man.Tpo"; exit 1; fi
if cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I..  -I.. -I../src -I/usr/local/include/firefox/. -I/usr/local/include/firefox/commandhandler -I/usr/local/include/firefox/content -I/usr/local/include/firefox/docshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/dom -I/usr/local/include/firefox/fastfind -I/usr/local/include/firefox/find -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gtkembedmoz -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gfx -I/usr/local/include/firefox/layout -I/usr/local/include/firefox/necko -I/usr/local/include/firefox/pref -I/usr/local/include/firefox/string -I/usr/local/include/firefox/uriloader -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webbrwsr -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/widget -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=\"Yelp\" -DPREFIX=\""/usr/local"\" -DSYSCONFDIR=\""/usr/local/etc"\" -DDATADIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DLIBDIR=\""/usr/local/lib"\" -DIMAGEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/images/yelp"\" -DSERVERDIR=\"/usr/local/libexec\" -DBINDIR=\""/usr/local/bin"\" -DSHAREDIR=\""/usr/local/share/yelp"\"
 -DMOZILLA_HOME=\""/usr/local/lib/firefox\"" -DGDU_ICON_PATH=\"/usr/local/share/gnome-doc-utils/icons\"  -I/usr/local/include -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-unix-print-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0
 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/startup-notification-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/rarian    -Wall -Wno-uninitialized -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare   -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -MT yelp-yelp-info.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/yelp-yelp-info.Tpo" -c -o yelp-yelp-info.o `test -f 'yelp-info.c' || echo './'`yelp-info.c; \
	then mv -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-info.Tpo" ".deps/yelp-yelp-info.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-info.Tpo"; exit 1; fi
if cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I..  -I.. -I../src -I/usr/local/include/firefox/. -I/usr/local/include/firefox/commandhandler -I/usr/local/include/firefox/content -I/usr/local/include/firefox/docshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/dom -I/usr/local/include/firefox/fastfind -I/usr/local/include/firefox/find -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gtkembedmoz -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gfx -I/usr/local/include/firefox/layout -I/usr/local/include/firefox/necko -I/usr/local/include/firefox/pref -I/usr/local/include/firefox/string -I/usr/local/include/firefox/uriloader -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webbrwsr -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/widget -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=\"Yelp\" -DPREFIX=\""/usr/local"\" -DSYSCONFDIR=\""/usr/local/etc"\" -DDATADIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DLIBDIR=\""/usr/local/lib"\" -DIMAGEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/images/yelp"\" -DSERVERDIR=\"/usr/local/libexec\" -DBINDIR=\""/usr/local/bin"\" -DSHAREDIR=\""/usr/local/share/yelp"\"
 -DMOZILLA_HOME=\""/usr/local/lib/firefox\"" -DGDU_ICON_PATH=\"/usr/local/share/gnome-doc-utils/icons\"  -I/usr/local/include -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-unix-print-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0
 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/startup-notification-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/rarian    -Wall -Wno-uninitialized -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare   -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -MT yelp-yelp-info-parser.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/yelp-yelp-info-parser.Tpo" -c -o yelp-yelp-info-parser.o `test -f 'yelp-info-parser.c' || echo './'`yelp-info-parser.c; \
	then mv -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-info-parser.Tpo" ".deps/yelp-yelp-info-parser.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-info-parser.Tpo"; exit 1; fi
if cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I..  -I.. -I../src -I/usr/local/include/firefox/. -I/usr/local/include/firefox/commandhandler -I/usr/local/include/firefox/content -I/usr/local/include/firefox/docshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/dom -I/usr/local/include/firefox/fastfind -I/usr/local/include/firefox/find -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gtkembedmoz -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gfx -I/usr/local/include/firefox/layout -I/usr/local/include/firefox/necko -I/usr/local/include/firefox/pref -I/usr/local/include/firefox/string -I/usr/local/include/firefox/uriloader -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webbrwsr -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/widget -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=\"Yelp\" -DPREFIX=\""/usr/local"\" -DSYSCONFDIR=\""/usr/local/etc"\" -DDATADIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DLIBDIR=\""/usr/local/lib"\" -DIMAGEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/images/yelp"\" -DSERVERDIR=\"/usr/local/libexec\" -DBINDIR=\""/usr/local/bin"\" -DSHAREDIR=\""/usr/local/share/yelp"\"
 -DMOZILLA_HOME=\""/usr/local/lib/firefox\"" -DGDU_ICON_PATH=\"/usr/local/share/gnome-doc-utils/icons\"  -I/usr/local/include -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-unix-print-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0
 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/startup-notification-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/rarian    -Wall -Wno-uninitialized -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare   -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -MT yelp-gtkentryaction.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/yelp-gtkentryaction.Tpo" -c -o yelp-gtkentryaction.o `test -f 'gtkentryaction.c' || echo './'`gtkentryaction.c; \
	then mv -f ".deps/yelp-gtkentryaction.Tpo" ".deps/yelp-gtkentryaction.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/yelp-gtkentryaction.Tpo"; exit 1; fi
if cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I..  -I.. -I../src -I/usr/local/include/firefox/. -I/usr/local/include/firefox/commandhandler -I/usr/local/include/firefox/content -I/usr/local/include/firefox/docshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/dom -I/usr/local/include/firefox/fastfind -I/usr/local/include/firefox/find -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gtkembedmoz -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gfx -I/usr/local/include/firefox/layout -I/usr/local/include/firefox/necko -I/usr/local/include/firefox/pref -I/usr/local/include/firefox/string -I/usr/local/include/firefox/uriloader -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webbrwsr -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/widget -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=\"Yelp\" -DPREFIX=\""/usr/local"\" -DSYSCONFDIR=\""/usr/local/etc"\" -DDATADIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DLIBDIR=\""/usr/local/lib"\" -DIMAGEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/images/yelp"\" -DSERVERDIR=\"/usr/local/libexec\" -DBINDIR=\""/usr/local/bin"\" -DSHAREDIR=\""/usr/local/share/yelp"\"
 -DMOZILLA_HOME=\""/usr/local/lib/firefox\"" -DGDU_ICON_PATH=\"/usr/local/share/gnome-doc-utils/icons\"  -I/usr/local/include -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-unix-print-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0
 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/startup-notification-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/rarian    -Wall -Wno-uninitialized -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare   -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -MT yelp-yelp-search.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/yelp-yelp-search.Tpo" -c -o yelp-yelp-search.o `test -f 'yelp-search.c' || echo './'`yelp-search.c; \
	then mv -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-search.Tpo" ".deps/yelp-yelp-search.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-search.Tpo"; exit 1; fi
if cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I..  -I.. -I../src -I/usr/local/include/firefox/. -I/usr/local/include/firefox/commandhandler -I/usr/local/include/firefox/content -I/usr/local/include/firefox/docshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/dom -I/usr/local/include/firefox/fastfind -I/usr/local/include/firefox/find -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gtkembedmoz -I/usr/local/include/firefox/gfx -I/usr/local/include/firefox/layout -I/usr/local/include/firefox/necko -I/usr/local/include/firefox/pref -I/usr/local/include/firefox/string -I/usr/local/include/firefox/uriloader -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webbrwsr -I/usr/local/include/firefox/webshell -I/usr/local/include/firefox/widget -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=\"Yelp\" -DPREFIX=\""/usr/local"\" -DSYSCONFDIR=\""/usr/local/etc"\" -DDATADIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DLIBDIR=\""/usr/local/lib"\" -DIMAGEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/images/yelp"\" -DSERVERDIR=\"/usr/local/libexec\" -DBINDIR=\""/usr/local/bin"\" -DSHAREDIR=\""/usr/local/share/yelp"\"
 -DMOZILLA_HOME=\""/usr/local/lib/firefox\"" -DGDU_ICON_PATH=\"/usr/local/share/gnome-doc-utils/icons\"  -I/usr/local/include -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-unix-print-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0
 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/startup-notification-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/rarian    -Wall -Wno-uninitialized -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare   -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -MT yelp-yelp-search-parser.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/yelp-yelp-search-parser.Tpo" -c -o yelp-yelp-search-parser.o `test -f 'yelp-search-parser.c' || echo './'`yelp-search-parser.c; \
	then mv -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-search-parser.Tpo" ".deps/yelp-yelp-search-parser.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/yelp-yelp-search-parser.Tpo"; exit 1; fi
/bin/sh ../libtool --tag=CXX --mode=link c++ -fno-rtti  -fshort-wchar -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -Wall -Wno-unused  -Wno-ctor-dtor-privacy -Wno-non-virtual-dtor -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe  -L/usr/local/lib -o yelp -R/usr/local/lib/firefox  yelp-Yelper.o yelp-yelp-base.o yelp-yelp-bookmarks.o yelp-yelp-debug.o yelp-yelp-error.o yelp-yelp-gecko-utils.o yelp-yelp-html.o yelp-yelp-io-channel.o yelp-yelp-settings.o yelp-yelp-utils.o yelp-yelp-window.o yelp-yelp-marshal.o yelp-yelp-main.o yelp-yelp-print.o yelp-yelp-page.o yelp-yelp-transform.o yelp-yelp-gecko-services.o yelp-yelp-document.o yelp-yelp-toc.o yelp-yelp-docbook.o yelp-yelp-db-print.o yelp-yelp-man-parser.o yelp-yelp-man.o yelp-yelp-info.o yelp-yelp-info-parser.o yelp-gtkentryaction.o yelp-yelp-search.o yelp-yelp-search-parser.o -pthread -L/usr/local/lib -lglade-2.0 -lgnomeui-2 -lSM -lICE -lbonoboui-2 -lgnomevfs-2 -lgnomecanvas-2 -lgnome-2 -lpopt -lbonobo-2 -lbonobo-activation -lORBit-2
 -lart_lgpl_2 -lgtk-x11-2.0 -lgdk-x11-2.0 -latk-1.0 -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lpangocairo-1.0 -lXext -lXrender -lXinerama -lXi -lXrandr -lXcursor -lXcomposite -lXdamage -lcairo -lpangoft2-1.0 -lpango-1.0 -lfreetype -lfontconfig -lX11 -lXfixes -lgconf-2 -lgthread-2.0 -lgmodule-2.0 -lexslt -lxslt -lz -lm -lgcrypt -lgpg-error -lxml2 -lstartup-notification-1 -ldbus-glib-1 -ldbus-1 -lgobject-2.0 -lglib-2.0 -liconv -lrarian     -lz -lbz2 -llzmadec -lSM -lICE  -L/usr/local/lib -lX11  -Wl,-rpath,/usr/local/lib/firefox -pthread -L/usr/local/lib/firefox -L/usr/local/lib -lgtkembedmoz -lxpcom -lplds4 -lplc4 -lnspr4     
mkdir .libs
c++ -fno-rtti -fshort-wchar -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -Wall -Wno-unused -Wno-ctor-dtor-privacy -Wno-non-virtual-dtor -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -o yelp yelp-Yelper.o yelp-yelp-base.o yelp-yelp-bookmarks.o yelp-yelp-debug.o yelp-yelp-error.o yelp-yelp-gecko-utils.o yelp-yelp-html.o yelp-yelp-io-channel.o yelp-yelp-settings.o yelp-yelp-utils.o yelp-yelp-window.o yelp-yelp-marshal.o yelp-yelp-main.o yelp-yelp-print.o yelp-yelp-page.o yelp-yelp-transform.o yelp-yelp-gecko-services.o yelp-yelp-document.o yelp-yelp-toc.o yelp-yelp-docbook.o yelp-yelp-db-print.o yelp-yelp-man-parser.o yelp-yelp-man.o yelp-yelp-info.o yelp-yelp-info-parser.o yelp-gtkentryaction.o yelp-yelp-search.o yelp-yelp-search-parser.o -pthread -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/usr/local/lib/firefox -pthread  -L/usr/local/lib /usr/local/lib/libglade-2.0.so /usr/local/lib/libgnomeui-2.so /usr/local/lib/libgio-2.0.so /usr/local/lib/libgnome-keyring.so /usr/local/lib/libjpeg.so
 /usr/local/lib/libbonoboui-2.so /usr/local/lib/libgnomecanvas-2.so /usr/local/lib/libgailutil.so /usr/local/lib/libgnome-2.so /usr/local/lib/libgnomevfs-2.so -lssl -lcrypto -lutil /usr/local/lib/libesd.so /usr/local/lib/libaudiofile.so /usr/local/lib/libpopt.so /usr/local/lib/libbonobo-2.so /usr/local/lib/libbonobo-activation.so /usr/local/lib/libORBitCosNaming-2.so /usr/local/lib/libart_lgpl_2.so /usr/local/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so /usr/local/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so /usr/local/lib/libatk-1.0.so /usr/local/lib/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so /usr/local/lib/libpangocairo-1.0.so /usr/local/lib/libXinerama.so /usr/local/lib/libXi.so /usr/local/lib/libXrandr.so /usr/local/lib/libXcursor.so /usr/local/lib/libXcomposite.so /usr/local/lib/libXext.so /usr/local/lib/libXdamage.so /usr/local/lib/libcairo.so /usr/local/lib/libglitz.so -lpng /usr/local/lib/libxcb-render-util.so /usr/local/lib/libxcb-render.so /usr/local/lib/libxcb.so /usr/local/lib/libpthread-stubs.so
 /usr/local/lib/libXrender.so /usr/local/lib/libpixman-1.so /usr/local/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so /usr/local/lib/libpango-1.0.so /usr/local/lib/libfontconfig.so /usr/local/lib/libfreetype.so /usr/local/lib/libexpat.so /usr/local/lib/libXfixes.so /usr/local/lib/libgconf-2.so /usr/local/lib/libORBit-2.so /usr/local/lib/libgthread-2.0.so /usr/local/lib/libgmodule-2.0.so /usr/local/lib/libexslt.so /usr/local/lib/libxslt.so /usr/local/lib/libgcrypt.so /usr/local/lib/libgpg-error.so /usr/local/lib/libxml2.so -lm /usr/local/lib/libstartup-notification-1.so /usr/local/lib/libdbus-glib-1.so /usr/local/lib/libdbus-1.so -pthread /usr/local/lib/libgobject-2.0.so /usr/local/lib/libglib-2.0.so -licui18n /usr/local/lib/libintl.so /usr/local/lib/libpcre.so /usr/local/lib/libiconv.so /usr/local/lib/librarian.so -lz -lbz2 /usr/local/lib/liblzmadec.so /usr/local/lib/libSM.so /usr/local/lib/libICE.so /usr/local/lib/libX11.so /usr/local/lib/libXau.so /usr/local/lib/libXdmcp.so
 -lrpcsvc -L/usr/local/lib/firefox -lgtkembedmoz -lxpcom -lplds4 -lplc4 -lnspr4   -Wl,--rpath -Wl,/usr/local/lib -Wl,--rpath -Wl,/usr/local/lib -Wl,--rpath -Wl,/usr/local/lib/firefox
yelp-Yelper.o(.text+0x26d): In function `Yelper::Find(char const*)':
: undefined reference to `NS_CStringContainerInit2'
yelp-yelp-gecko-services.o(.text+0x631): In function `PrintListener::SetPrintSettings(_YelpPrintInfo*, int, nsIPrintSettings*)':
: undefined reference to `NS_StringContainerInit2'
yelp-yelp-gecko-services.o(.text+0x6f4): In function `PrintListener::SetPrintSettings(_YelpPrintInfo*, int, nsIPrintSettings*)':
: undefined reference to `NS_CStringContainerInit2'
yelp-yelp-gecko-services.o(.text+0x8fd): In function `PrintListener::SetPrintSettings(_YelpPrintInfo*, int, nsIPrintSettings*)':
: undefined reference to `NS_CStringContainerInit2'
yelp-yelp-gecko-services.o(.text+0x9cf): In function `PrintListener::SetPrintSettings(_YelpPrintInfo*, int, nsIPrintSettings*)':
: undefined reference to `NS_CStringContainerInit2'
yelp-yelp-gecko-services.o(.text+0xa1e): In function `PrintListener::SetPrintSettings(_YelpPrintInfo*, int, nsIPrintSettings*)':
: undefined reference to `NS_CStringContainerInit2'
yelp-yelp-gecko-services.o(.text+0xa6d): In function `PrintListener::SetPrintSettings(_YelpPrintInfo*, int, nsIPrintSettings*)':
: undefined reference to `NS_CStringContainerInit2'
yelp-yelp-gecko-services.o(.text+0xabc): more undefined references to `NS_CStringContainerInit2' follow
/usr/local/lib/libgtkembedmoz.so: undefined reference to `NS_InitXPCOM3'
gmake[3]: *** [yelp] Error 1
gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/x11/yelp/work/yelp-2.22.1/src'
gmake[2]: *** [all] Error 2
gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/x11/yelp/work/yelp-2.22.1/src'
gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/x11/yelp/work/yelp-2.22.1'
gmake: *** [all] Error 2
*** Error code 2

Stop in /usr/ports/x11/yelp.
# exit



Script done on Tue Nov  4 19:02:44 2008

Hope someone can help me. Is it advicable to report this bug to the upstream developers themselves eg should I contact the Gnome developers about this or will the port maintainer take care of that?

Thanks
Dino



      
From kuku at kukulies.org  Tue Nov  4 10:27:37 2008
From: kuku at kukulies.org (Christoph Kukulies)
Date: Tue Nov  4 10:27:45 2008
Subject: 7.1-BETA2 installation on ASUS P4S8X fails BIG MEDIUM ERROR
In-Reply-To: <491090CE.1090900@hdk5.net>
References: <49106440.4010906@kukulies.org>
	<1225813899.2734.1.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be>
	<491090CE.1090900@hdk5.net>
Message-ID: <49109409.8030601@kukulies.org>

Hi Al,

thanks for pointing me to safe mode install. That I will probably try 
tomorrow.
The day ended up in havoc: I tried to boot a floppy to do an ASUS BIOS 
upgrade and somehow messed with the power cable.
A big flash occurred originating from the power supply. I opened the 
power supply, found a blown fuse, ran to the electronics store, bought a 
new fuse (+ one in reserve), inserted the fuse, tried the power supply, 
with connections off and a firework, prematurely - your presidential 
elections aren't finished yet - , developed in front of my face. Will 
continue tomorrow, when America has a new president.


--
Christoph

Al Plant schrieb:
> Julien Cigar wrote:
>> I've this problem too on almost all my machines. The only solution I've
>> found is to disable DMA (atapi_dma), but then performances are very poor
>> (and I'm still unable to burn a CD/DVD)
>>
>> On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 16:03 +0100, Christoph Kukulies wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> don't know whether it's the CDROM drive (a Creative 52x mx) or the 
>>> motherboard (ASUS P4S8X) or what.
>>> Anyway, I tried to install a recent version of FreeBSD (7.1-BETA2) 
>>> and the installation
>>> hangs right in the boot process of the installation CD disc1.
>>>
>>> I see
>>>
>>> acd0: FAILURE - READ BIG MEDIUM ERROR asc=0x11 ascq=0x00
>>> run_interrupt_driven_hooks: still waiting after 60 seconds for 
>>> xpt_config
>>> run_interrupt_driven_hooks: still waiting after 120 seconds for 
>>> xpt_config
>>> run_interrupt_driven_hooks: still waiting after 180 seconds for 
>>> xpt_config
>>>
>>> and so on.
>>>
>>> Any clues?
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Christoph Kukulies
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to 
>>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
> ############
>
> Aloha,
>
> I have had similiar happen on 7 and 8 Freebsd installs recently.
>
> If you install using safe mode it will work. Then in /boot/loader.conf
>
> #boot/loader.conf
> hw.ata.ata-dma=0
> hw.ata.atapi_dma=0
>
> This makes the HD and CD to  work for me after the install.
>
> The error that comes up when you burn a CD seems to be bogus as I have 
> used the CD's with out error for installing on other boxes.
>
> ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii -  Phone:  808-284-2740
>   + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org +
>   + http://aloha50.net   - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* +
>   < email: noc@hdk5.net >
> "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol
>

From koitsu at FreeBSD.org  Tue Nov  4 10:29:33 2008
From: koitsu at FreeBSD.org (Jeremy Chadwick)
Date: Tue Nov  4 10:29:40 2008
Subject: 7.1-BETA2 installation on ASUS P4S8X fails BIG MEDIUM ERROR
In-Reply-To: <491090CE.1090900@hdk5.net>
References: <49106440.4010906@kukulies.org>
	<1225813899.2734.1.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be>
	<491090CE.1090900@hdk5.net>
Message-ID: <20081104182931.GA54773@icarus.home.lan>

On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 08:13:34AM -1000, Al Plant wrote:
> Julien Cigar wrote:
>> I've this problem too on almost all my machines. The only solution I've
>> found is to disable DMA (atapi_dma), but then performances are very poor
>> (and I'm still unable to burn a CD/DVD)
>>
>> On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 16:03 +0100, Christoph Kukulies wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> don't know whether it's the CDROM drive (a Creative 52x mx) or the  
>>> motherboard (ASUS P4S8X) or what.
>>> Anyway, I tried to install a recent version of FreeBSD (7.1-BETA2) 
>>> and the installation
>>> hangs right in the boot process of the installation CD disc1.
>>>
>>> I see
>>>
>>> acd0: FAILURE - READ BIG MEDIUM ERROR asc=0x11 ascq=0x00
>>> run_interrupt_driven_hooks: still waiting after 60 seconds for xpt_config
>>> run_interrupt_driven_hooks: still waiting after 120 seconds for xpt_config
>>> run_interrupt_driven_hooks: still waiting after 180 seconds for xpt_config
>>>
>>> and so on.
>>>
>>> Any clues?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Christoph Kukulies
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
> ############
>
> Aloha,
>
> I have had similiar happen on 7 and 8 Freebsd installs recently.
>
> If you install using safe mode it will work. Then in /boot/loader.conf
>
> #boot/loader.conf
> hw.ata.ata-dma=0
> hw.ata.atapi_dma=0

There is no hw.ata.ata-dma tunable.  I think you mean hw.ata.ata_dma
(note: underscore, not hyphen).  If you really are using hw.ata.ata-dma,
it does nothing.  :-)

Also folks, please remember that "ATA DMA" is for hard disks, and
"ATAPI DMA" is for ATAPI devices (CD/DVD drives).  

Error messages from xpt_* functions are from by the ATAPI-to-CAM
emulation layer (think: SCSI emulation for ATAPI devices), but are
likely signs of underlying compatibility problems between the CD/DVD
drive and FreeBSD, and not the fault of atapicam(4).

I'm not sure if there's a loader hint to disable xpt.

> The error that comes up when you burn a CD seems to be bogus as I have  
> used the CD's with out error for installing on other boxes.

The "READ BIG MEDIUM ERROR" often indicates that the CD/DVD drive does
not support a specific read operation mode; some CD/DVD manufacturers
don't implement this command for various reasons.

-- 
| Jeremy Chadwick                                jdc at parodius.com |
| Parodius Networking                       http://www.parodius.com/ |
| UNIX Systems Administrator                  Mountain View, CA, USA |
| Making life hard for others since 1977.              PGP: 4BD6C0CB |

From fbsd.questions at rachie.is-a-geek.net  Tue Nov  4 10:32:33 2008
From: fbsd.questions at rachie.is-a-geek.net (Mel)
Date: Tue Nov  4 10:32:40 2008
Subject: yelp install error on amd64 running freebsd 6.3
In-Reply-To: <974071.37488.qm@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <974071.37488.qm@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200811041932.31274.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net>

On Tuesday 04 November 2008 19:19:44 Dino Vliet wrote:
> Dear freebsd people,
> who is able to help me with this problem I have on my machine (a amd64
> system running freebsd 6.3).

What did you do back in April, when you had the exact same problem?

-- 
Mel

Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules
    and never get to the software part.
From freebsd at edvax.de  Tue Nov  4 10:35:06 2008
From: freebsd at edvax.de (Polytropon)
Date: Tue Nov  4 10:35:14 2008
Subject: virtual consoles on freebsd-7.0-release
In-Reply-To: <E1KxAY3-000Kn4-00.the-ghost-inbox-ru@f54.mail.ru>
References: <E1KxAY3-000Kn4-00.the-ghost-inbox-ru@f54.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <20081104193503.8d0e639b.freebsd@edvax.de>

On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:17:35 +0300, The Ghost <the-ghost@inbox.ru> wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> 
> I migrated to freensd-7.0-release and noticed that I can't switch
> to the virtual consoles by pressing Alt+Fx once I've started X !
> I guess the key combination has changed in the nre version of
> Xorg implemented in FreeBSD 7.0, so I took a look at the online
> handbook, but I haven't found anything about the new way to switch
> to the virtual consoles... Could anyone please point me at what do I miss?..

Well, this hasn't something to do with FreeBSD 7. From my own
experience, virtual console switching has always been the same
since 4.0 with XFree86.

When you're inside X, you need to add the Control key to the
key combination, e. g. Ctrl-Alt-PF1. So you leave X (on its
VT, usually PF9, see /etc/ttys) and get to the 1st virtual
console. As long as you're in text mode, you can switch
around with Alt+PF1 ... Alt+PF9 as you mentioned correctly.

The functions of Alt+PF1 ... Alt+PF12 inside X depends on the
window manager / desktop environment you're running, it can,
for example, be used to switch virtual desktops.


-- 
Polytropon
>From Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
From freebsd at edvax.de  Tue Nov  4 10:39:47 2008
From: freebsd at edvax.de (Polytropon)
Date: Tue Nov  4 10:39:54 2008
Subject: virtual consoles on freebsd-7.0-release
In-Reply-To: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBAEHNCMAA.joeb@a1poweruser.com>
References: <BAY122-F35D8133DF478954641234BBA1C0@phx.gbl>
	<NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBAEHNCMAA.joeb@a1poweruser.com>
Message-ID: <20081104193945.9c599645.freebsd@edvax.de>

On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 15:45:28 +0800, "joeb" <joeb@a1poweruser.com> wrote:
> How do I get back to the xorg/xfce desktop running in the virtual console I
> left from?

You could try to press the Pause / SysRq key as many times as needed
until you're on your X screen again.

Have a look into /etc/ttys where the correct terminal should be
specified, e. g. 

ttyv8   "/usr/local/bin/xdm -nodaemon"  xterm           off     secure
   ^^
So X will be on ttyv8 which is number 9 (Alt+PF9).

May I ask how you initiate your X (XFCE) session? This could give
a hint why console switching doesn't work as intended.


-- 
Polytropon
>From Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
From glavoie at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 10:45:49 2008
From: glavoie at gmail.com (Gabriel Lavoie)
Date: Tue Nov  4 10:45:58 2008
Subject: gjournal: journaled slices vs. journaled partitions
In-Reply-To: <25ae98a90811041035s57f84718tf1ea3c8ffd9c6fa4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48FD6665.5000102@telus.net> <48FD6803.7080802@shopzeus.com>
	<48FE6C64.7060606@telus.net> <gepqhr$56u$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<d05df8620811040955m654f769bj8683bff66d7a6b42@mail.gmail.com>
	<25ae98a90811041035s57f84718tf1ea3c8ffd9c6fa4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d05df8620811041045k41a583cfyf6fd046398a38fce@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/4 Volodymyr Kostyrko <c.kworr@gmail.com>

> 2008/11/4 Gabriel Lavoie <glavoie@gmail.com>:
> > When building this setup I got one big problem. If the root filesystem
> (/)
> > was on a gjournal provider, an unclean shutdown when data was being
> written
> > on the disk rendered the system completely unbootable. I got this
> message:
> >
> > GEOM_MIRROR: Device mirror/gm launched (2/2)
> > GEOM_JOURNAL: Journal 3672855181: mirror/gma contains data.
> > GEOM_JOURNAL: Journal 3672855181: mirror/gma contains journal.
> > GEOM_JOURNAL: Journal 3868799910: mirror/gmd contains data.
> >
> > GEOM_JOURNAL: Journal 3868799910: mirror/gmd contains journal.
> > GEOM_JOURNAL: Journal mirror/gmd consistent.
>
> Just one thing - you have two separate journaled partitions, one
> journal per one partition.


Yes, this is the test setup I made with one journal for / and one journal
for /usr. Only an unclean journal on / rendered the journal unbootable. An
unclean journal on /usr gave me no problem.

If I put the journal on the slice level, with the root filesystem over the
journal. Resetting the system while writing data on any filesystem causes
the problem as the journal is shared to the root filesystem too.


>
>
> > Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/mirror/gm.journal
> >
> > Manual root filesystem specification:
> >     <fstype>:<device>  Mount <device> using filesystem <fstype>
> >
> >                                            eg. ufs:da0s1a
> >     ?                             List valid disk boot devices
> >     <empty line>          Abort manual input
> >
> >
> > mountroot> ?
> >
> > List of GEOM managed disk devices:
> >
> >      mirror/gmd.journal mirror/gmd mirror/gmc mirror/gma mirror/gm
> ad10s1c
> > ad10s1b ad8s1c ad8s1b ad10s2 ad10s1 ad8s1 ad10 ad8 acd0
> >
> > As you can see, in the proposed list of disk devices devices to boot on,
> > "mirror/gm.journala" is absent. As I and Ivan Voras, that I contacted
> about
> > this problem, found, the GEOM_JOURNAL thread that is supposed to mark the
> > journal consistent takes too much time to do it with the root
> filesystem's
> > provider and the kernel try to mount a device that doesn't yet exist. A
> bug
> > report has been opened about this problem. For my final setup I decided
> to
> > put the root filesystem on a separate mirrorred slice of 1GB. Since this
> > slice isn't often written on, not many rebuilds should occur in case of
> > power failure. And I made my "power failure" test by hitting the reset
> > button while writing data on this filesystem and the rebuild on 1GB
> doesn't
> > takes too much time (at most 20-30 seconds).
>
> Good to hear it, i've fallen for that too, but the machine isn't
> powercycled at all and runs on guaranteed power. I had the similar
> problems with described setup on virtual test machine too, yet
> entering anything at mountroot> prompt gave gjournal a chance to keep
> up and needed partition comes up eventually... I didn't reported that,
> thought it was a virtual machine issue.
>

Same thing here, I had a backup installation on another slice and when I
gave this one on the prompt, as soon as I hit Enter, GEOM_JOURNAL was
marking the journal consistent. I'm happy to hear that I'm not the only one
that had this problem. As for my setup. I put / on its own 1GB mirrored
slice with auto-synchronization and soft-updates and I put the other
filesystems (/home /usr /var /tmp) on a second fully mirrored/journalised
slice (with the journal at the slice level), with auto-synchronization on
power failure turned off and "async" mount option.

As for the bug report, I consider this is an easily reproductible bug and I
hope it will be solved soon! :)


>
> > Now I have the question. Why the "load" algorith wasn't recommended? Is
> it
> > fixed in 7.0-RELEASE-p5?
>
> Nope...
>
> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=113885
>
> --
> Sphinx of black quartz judge my vow.
>


Gabriel

-- 
Gabriel Lavoie
glavoie@gmail.com
From freebsd at edvax.de  Tue Nov  4 10:46:46 2008
From: freebsd at edvax.de (Polytropon)
Date: Tue Nov  4 10:46:59 2008
Subject: virtual consoles on freebsd-7.0-release
In-Reply-To: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBGEIACMAA.joeb@a1poweruser.com>
References: <20081104114841.GA1339@darklight.homeunix.org>
	<NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBGEIACMAA.joeb@a1poweruser.com>
Message-ID: <20081104194641.fd0b5c11.freebsd@edvax.de>

On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:45:12 +0800, "joeb" <joeb@a1poweruser.com> wrote:
> 	I logon from F2 as root and then startx.

As root? No good idea. You should run from a !root user account.

> I believe F9 only works if you use the xorg logon session control.

No, it works when you startx from after a "normal" login, too.
I do know that, it's my setting at the moment. :-)

So if you would create a normal user account and add these files:

1. ~/.xsession

	#!/bin/csh
	source ~/.cshrc
	exec ~/.xinitrc

2. ~/.xinitc

	#!/bin/sh
	exec xfwm

Give them +x permissions. The first file allows you to inherit your
settings from the C shell (~/.cshrc) into your X session when started
from XDM or another display manager.

After login, you can use the

	% startx

command to run your XFCE session.

But in fact, running as root can't be the reason why console
switching doesn't seem to work correctly, I believe...





-- 
Polytropon
>From Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
From popof.fpn at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 10:57:05 2008
From: popof.fpn at gmail.com (Popof Popof)
Date: Tue Nov  4 10:57:12 2008
Subject: Unable to mount / in read - write mode
Message-ID: <9196e72b0811041057m7d33e3fap9a15246def6eb3a2@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
I recently tried to update my FreeBSD 6.0 to FreeBSD 7.0.
I don't know where but I made a mistake and I am always booting on the 6.0
kernel.
The problem is that I have an error during boot process:

mount option <rw> is unknown
> mount: /dev/ad0s2a : Invalid argument
> Mounting root filesystem rw failed, startup aborted
> Boot interrupted


Its seems that tools have correctly upgraded (man mount let me see that I
use the FreeBSD 7 version of mount) but not the kernel.

Does someone has an idea to allow me to use my filesystem in read write mode
?
From c.kworr at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 11:02:35 2008
From: c.kworr at gmail.com (Volodymyr Kostyrko)
Date: Tue Nov  4 11:03:12 2008
Subject: gjournal: journaled slices vs. journaled partitions
In-Reply-To: <d05df8620811040955m654f769bj8683bff66d7a6b42@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48FD6665.5000102@telus.net> <48FD6803.7080802@shopzeus.com>
	<48FE6C64.7060606@telus.net> <gepqhr$56u$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<d05df8620811040955m654f769bj8683bff66d7a6b42@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <25ae98a90811041035s57f84718tf1ea3c8ffd9c6fa4@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/4 Gabriel Lavoie <glavoie@gmail.com>:
> When building this setup I got one big problem. If the root filesystem (/)
> was on a gjournal provider, an unclean shutdown when data was being written
> on the disk rendered the system completely unbootable. I got this message:
>
> GEOM_MIRROR: Device mirror/gm launched (2/2)
> GEOM_JOURNAL: Journal 3672855181: mirror/gma contains data.
> GEOM_JOURNAL: Journal 3672855181: mirror/gma contains journal.
> GEOM_JOURNAL: Journal 3868799910: mirror/gmd contains data.
>
> GEOM_JOURNAL: Journal 3868799910: mirror/gmd contains journal.
> GEOM_JOURNAL: Journal mirror/gmd consistent.

Just one thing - you have two separate journaled partitions, one
journal per one partition.

> Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/mirror/gm.journal
>
> Manual root filesystem specification:
>     <fstype>:<device>  Mount <device> using filesystem <fstype>
>
>                                            eg. ufs:da0s1a
>     ?                             List valid disk boot devices
>     <empty line>          Abort manual input
>
>
> mountroot> ?
>
> List of GEOM managed disk devices:
>
>      mirror/gmd.journal mirror/gmd mirror/gmc mirror/gma mirror/gm ad10s1c
> ad10s1b ad8s1c ad8s1b ad10s2 ad10s1 ad8s1 ad10 ad8 acd0
>
> As you can see, in the proposed list of disk devices devices to boot on,
> "mirror/gm.journala" is absent. As I and Ivan Voras, that I contacted about
> this problem, found, the GEOM_JOURNAL thread that is supposed to mark the
> journal consistent takes too much time to do it with the root filesystem's
> provider and the kernel try to mount a device that doesn't yet exist. A bug
> report has been opened about this problem. For my final setup I decided to
> put the root filesystem on a separate mirrorred slice of 1GB. Since this
> slice isn't often written on, not many rebuilds should occur in case of
> power failure. And I made my "power failure" test by hitting the reset
> button while writing data on this filesystem and the rebuild on 1GB doesn't
> takes too much time (at most 20-30 seconds).

Good to hear it, i've fallen for that too, but the machine isn't
powercycled at all and runs on guaranteed power. I had the similar
problems with described setup on virtual test machine too, yet
entering anything at mountroot> prompt gave gjournal a chance to keep
up and needed partition comes up eventually... I didn't reported that,
thought it was a virtual machine issue.

> Now I have the question. Why the "load" algorith wasn't recommended? Is it
> fixed in 7.0-RELEASE-p5?

Nope...

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=113885

-- 
Sphinx of black quartz judge my vow.
From cpghost at cordula.ws  Tue Nov  4 11:12:43 2008
From: cpghost at cordula.ws (cpghost)
Date: Tue Nov  4 11:12:49 2008
Subject: Watching /var/log/pflog grow
Message-ID: <20081104191354.GA1819@phenom.cordula.ws>

How can I watch /var/log/pflog grow with tcpdump, "tail -f" style?

This won't work:
  $ tail -f /var/log/pflog | tcpdump -n -s 116 -r -
because tail doesn't start at the right location.

Using a blocksize (-b) with tail may also not be right,
because the captured packets are not the same size.

This seems to work:
  $ tcpdump -n -s 116 -i pflog0
but now, both tcpdump and pflogd are competing for the same
interface pflog0.

I'm afraid that in the latter case, every packet will be
  EITHER logged by pflogd
  XOR    displayed by tcpdump.
Is that so?

If yes, /var/log/pflog would be incomplete, because some packets
would have been snatched away from pflog0 by tcpdump, before
pflogd ever got a chance to read them out.

Is there a way to watch /var/log/pflog grow, while
still making sure that pflogd logs EVERY packet that appears
on the pflog0 interface? How?

Thanks
-cpghost.

-- 
Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/
From m.seaman at infracaninophile.co.uk  Tue Nov  4 11:21:12 2008
From: m.seaman at infracaninophile.co.uk (Matthew Seaman)
Date: Tue Nov  4 11:21:19 2008
Subject: Watching /var/log/pflog grow
In-Reply-To: <20081104191354.GA1819@phenom.cordula.ws>
References: <20081104191354.GA1819@phenom.cordula.ws>
Message-ID: <4910A08A.6050204@infracaninophile.co.uk>

cpghost wrote:
> How can I watch /var/log/pflog grow with tcpdump, "tail -f" style?
> 
> This won't work:
>   $ tail -f /var/log/pflog | tcpdump -n -s 116 -r -
> because tail doesn't start at the right location.
> 
> Using a blocksize (-b) with tail may also not be right,
> because the captured packets are not the same size.
> 
> This seems to work:
>   $ tcpdump -n -s 116 -i pflog0
> but now, both tcpdump and pflogd are competing for the same
> interface pflog0.
> 
> I'm afraid that in the latter case, every packet will be
>   EITHER logged by pflogd
>   XOR    displayed by tcpdump.
> Is that so?
> 
> If yes, /var/log/pflog would be incomplete, because some packets
> would have been snatched away from pflog0 by tcpdump, before
> pflogd ever got a chance to read them out.
> 
> Is there a way to watch /var/log/pflog grow, while
> still making sure that pflogd logs EVERY packet that appears
> on the pflog0 interface? How?
> 

Running tcpdump against the pflog0 pseudo-interface no more stops
pflogd recording the traffic than running tcpdump on your network
interface blocks traffic from the net.

   tcpdump -vv -i pflog0

really is the way to go if you want to see what your firewall is
logging in real time.

	Cheers,

	Matthew

-- 
Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil.                   7 Priory Courtyard
                                                  Flat 3
PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey     Ramsgate
                                                  Kent, CT11 9PW

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From dino_vliet at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  4 11:48:17 2008
From: dino_vliet at yahoo.com (Dino Vliet)
Date: Tue Nov  4 11:48:25 2008
Subject: yelp install error on amd64 running freebsd 6.3
Message-ID: <714627.35071.qm@web51109.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


                Forwarded Message: Re: yelp install error on amd64 running freebsd 6.3            
            
                

        
        Tuesday, November 4, 2008 7:32 PM
        
                
        
        
            
            From: 
            
                "Mel" <fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net>
                         
                        
                        
                        
        
        
            To:         
        
            freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, dino_vliet@yahoo.com                        
                        
On Tuesday 04 November 2008 19:19:44 Dino Vliet wrote:
> Dear freebsd people,
> who is able to help me with this problem I have on my machine (a amd64
> system running freebsd 6.3).

What did you do back in April, when you had the exact same problem?

-- 
Mel

Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules
? ? and never get to the software part.

**************************************

I moved:-)
No seriously, I never solved it,? because I relocated and didn't have internet access for a long time, I didn't look into it anymore. I tried to resolve it though in april, but the resolutions given to me didn't bring me closer to a solution.? 

Have any thoughts?




      
From darwinian.empire at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 11:49:50 2008
From: darwinian.empire at gmail.com (Roey Dror)
Date: Tue Nov  4 11:49:57 2008
Subject: Unable to mount / in read - write mode
In-Reply-To: <9196e72b0811041057m7d33e3fap9a15246def6eb3a2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9196e72b0811041057m7d33e3fap9a15246def6eb3a2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c9f50ec40811041149o91779b3qaf2f6694a8c86dc1@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 8:57 PM, Popof Popof <popof.fpn@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't know where but I made a mistake and I am always booting on the 6.0
> kernel.

Are you using the GENERIC kernel or a custom one?

-- 
Roey
From mdh_lists at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  4 12:10:26 2008
From: mdh_lists at yahoo.com (mdh)
Date: Tue Nov  4 12:10:32 2008
Subject: Unable to mount / in read - write mode
In-Reply-To: <9196e72b0811041057m7d33e3fap9a15246def6eb3a2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <584820.36562.qm@web56807.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

--- On Tue, 11/4/08, Popof Popof <popof.fpn@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Popof Popof <popof.fpn@gmail.com>
> Subject: Unable to mount / in read - write mode
> To: "FreeBSD Questions" <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
> Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 1:57 PM
> Hi,
> I recently tried to update my FreeBSD 6.0 to FreeBSD 7.0.
> I don't know where but I made a mistake and I am always
> booting on the 6.0
> kernel.
> The problem is that I have an error during boot process:
> 
> mount option <rw> is unknown
> > mount: /dev/ad0s2a : Invalid argument
> > Mounting root filesystem rw failed, startup aborted
> > Boot interrupted
> 
> 
> Its seems that tools have correctly upgraded (man mount let
> me see that I
> use the FreeBSD 7 version of mount) but not the kernel.
> 
> Does someone has an idea to allow me to use my filesystem
> in read write mode
> ?

This seems to be a problem with the mount command.  Why do you feel the kernel may be at fault?  If the kernel can get to mount, then it has obviously already mounted / (though possibly in read-only mode, which is something you should let us know...)
There is also not necessarily a corrolation between a man page and the actual binary.  Check the binary's modification time and such for better detail here.  Beyond that, try running the mount command manually from the command line after booting from a CD or in single-user mode, if single-user mode works.  

- mdh



      
From af300wsm at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 12:39:37 2008
From: af300wsm at gmail.com (af300wsm@gmail.com)
Date: Tue Nov  4 12:39:44 2008
Subject: Authentication with SSH using public keys
Message-ID: <001636417a85d6c0f0045ae30fbf@google.com>

>
>
> > Following onto the e-mail I made before, apparently that little  
permissions
>
> > difference for the directory, .ssh, was the problem. Changing it to 644  
has,
>
> > apparently, fixed the problem.
>
>
>
> Cool :) . I learnt this from my first SSH public-key authentication
>
> configuration ;)
>
>
>
> Ashish
>
> --
>

Of course I meant to say that changing the perms to 755 fixed it, not 644.  
I'm still reviewing the docs but I think that this directory could be made  
700, is that correct? Or, at the least, 750?
From yuri.pankov at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 12:43:41 2008
From: yuri.pankov at gmail.com (Yuri Pankov)
Date: Tue Nov  4 12:43:47 2008
Subject: Authentication with SSH using public keys
In-Reply-To: <001636417a85d6c0f0045ae30fbf@google.com>
References: <001636417a85d6c0f0045ae30fbf@google.com>
Message-ID: <20081104204331.GB1801@darklight.homeunix.org>

On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 12:39:36PM -0800, af300wsm@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>> > Following onto the e-mail I made before, apparently that little 
> permissions
>>
>> > difference for the directory, .ssh, was the problem. Changing it to 
>> 644 
> has,
>>
>> > apparently, fixed the problem.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cool :) . I learnt this from my first SSH public-key authentication
>>
>> configuration ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> Ashish
>>
>> --
>>
>
> Of course I meant to say that changing the perms to 755 fixed it, not 
> 644. I'm still reviewing the docs but I think that this directory could 
> be made 700, is that correct? Or, at the least, 750?

>From ssh(1):
     ~/.ssh/
             This directory is the default location for all user?specific con?
             figuration and authentication information.  There is no general
             requirement to keep the entire contents of this directory secret,
             but the recommended permissions are read/write/execute for the
             user, and not accessible by others.

So 700 is not only possible, but also recommended. :-)


Yuri
From ccowart at rescomp.berkeley.edu  Tue Nov  4 13:52:09 2008
From: ccowart at rescomp.berkeley.edu (Christopher Cowart)
Date: Tue Nov  4 13:52:23 2008
Subject: Increasing the datasize limit
Message-ID: <20081104215200.GA37896@hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu>

Hello,

I have a large data-crunching job once a week that needs some more heap
space. How do I go about increasing the datasize limit for a process?

Here's what I've tried:

| $ sudo su -
| crunch# limits
| Resource limits (current):
|   cputime          infinity secs
|   filesize         infinity kB
|   datasize           524288 kB
|   stacksize           65536 kB
|   coredumpsize     infinity kB
|   memoryuse        infinity kB
|   memorylocked     infinity kB
|   maxprocesses         5547
|   openfiles           11095
|   sbsize           infinity bytes
|   vmemoryuse       infinity kB
| crunch# limit datasize 1048576
| crunch# limits
| Resource limits (current):
|   cputime          infinity secs
|   filesize         infinity kB
|   datasize           524288 kB
|   stacksize           65536 kB
|   coredumpsize     infinity kB
|   memoryuse        infinity kB
|   memorylocked     infinity kB
|   maxprocesses         5547
|   openfiles           11095
|   sbsize           infinity bytes
|   vmemoryuse       infinity kB
| crunch# grep -C 8 '^[^#].*datasize' /etc/login.conf
| default:\
|         :passwd_format=md5:\
|         :copyright=/etc/COPYRIGHT:\
|         :welcome=/etc/motd:\
|         :setenv=MAIL=/var/mail/$,BLOCKSIZE=K,FTP_PASSIVE_MODE=YES:\
|         :path=/sbin /bin /usr/sbin /usr/bin /usr/games /usr/local/sbin /usr/local/bin /usr/X11R6/bin ~/bin:\
|         :nologin=/var/run/nologin:\
|         :cputime=unlimited:\
|         :datasize=unlimited:\
|         :stacksize=unlimited:\
|         :memorylocked=unlimited:\
|         :memoryuse=unlimited:\
|         :filesize=unlimited:\
|         :coredumpsize=unlimited:\
|         :openfiles=unlimited:\
|         :maxproc=unlimited:\
|         :sbsize=unlimited:\

According to setrlimit(2), "Only the super-user may raise the maximum
limits," but apparently, I can't even increase the limit as the
superuser.

What am I missing?

-- 
Chris Cowart
Network Technical Lead
Network & Infrastructure Services, RSSP-IT
UC Berkeley
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From kitchetech at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 13:59:47 2008
From: kitchetech at gmail.com (matt donovan)
Date: Tue Nov  4 13:59:54 2008
Subject: flash9 checklist
In-Reply-To: <200811031923.38317.mlobo@digiart.art.br>
References: <200810280859.24048@aldan>
	<20081028181731.GA30591@saturn.kn-bremen.de>
	<200810302253.m9UMrXdF014739@saturn.kn-bremen.de>
	<200811031923.38317.mlobo@digiart.art.br>
Message-ID: <28283d910811041359obffe74auf0ee5b05b3a4eb6a@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Mario Lobo <mlobo@digiart.art.br> wrote:

> On Thursday 30 October 2008 19:53:33 Juergen Lock wrote:
> > In article <49086F1A.2090500@comcast.net> you write:
> > >Juergen Lock wrote:
> > >> Preliminary checklist for getting flash9 to work in native firefox:
> > >> (flash10 needs more ports work, I shall post about that seperately on
> > >> -emulation...)  If you have additions to this please post a followup
> to
> > >> this thread, keeping the Cc: (I'm not on -questions...)
> > >>
> > >> 1. You need RELENG_7 from at least Mon Oct 20 11:15:57 2008 UTC
> > >> (the relevant MFC commits are:
> > >>    http://svn.freebsd.org/viewvc/base?view=revision&revision=183819
> > >>    http://svn.freebsd.org/viewvc/base?view=revision&revision=184075
> > >> - a recent HEAD should also work of course.)  There are linprocfs
> > >> patches for RELENG_6 too (merging the former commit), but the latter
> > >> commit can't be merged to 6 (and 7.0) since they lack the cpuset bits,
> > >> so flash9 probably won't work on SMP there.  (Although if you have SMP
> > >> you probably should be running 7 anyway. :)  Oh and if you do have SMP
> > >> you also need to use the ULE scheduler, the cpuset syscalls are not
> > >> supported with 4BSD. linprocfs patches for 6:
> > >>    http://people.freebsd.org/~nox/linprocfs-6.3.patch<http://people.freebsd.org/%7Enox/linprocfs-6.3.patch>
> > >>    http://people.freebsd.org/~nox/linprocfs-6.4.patch<http://people.freebsd.org/%7Enox/linprocfs-6.4.patch>
> > >>
> > >> 2. Your portstree needs to be from at least Sun Oct 19 17:37:28 2008
> UTC
> > >> (the last www/linux-flashplugin9 commit is:
> > >>
> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/cvs-ports/2008-October/158404.html
> > >> )
> > >>
> > >> 3. Make sure linprocfs is mounted to /compat/linux/proc .
> > >>
> > >> 4. Make sure www/nspluginwrapper, www/linux-flashplugin9 and
> > >> dependencies are installed and up to date(!).  (the default
> > >> emulators/linux_base-fc4 should work, if you want to use a later one
> > >> don't forget to set compat.linux.osrelease=2.6.16 in sysctl.conf and
> > >> OVERRIDE_LINUX_BASE_PORT to whichever version you use in make.conf.
> > >> Note however that on 6, only the default compat.linux.osrelease=2.4.2
> > >> really works.)
> > >>
> > >> 5. If the plugin doesnt show up in firefox' about:plugins, run
> > >>    nspluginwrapper -i
> > >> /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so and restart
> > >> firefox.
> > >>
> > >> 6. And remember there's a security advisory for the current version of
> > >> flash9,
> > >>
> http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/portaudit/78f456fd-9c87-11dd-a55e-00163e00
> > >>0016.html (if you use portaudit you need to `make
> > >> -DDISABLE_VULNERABILITIES ...' to be able to install the port), and
> fc4
> > >> seems to be eol'd too, so you probably want to install something like
> > >> the noscript firefox extension,
> > >> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/722
> > >> and only allow plugins (and scripts, tho thats a different problem) on
> > >> sites you trust...
> > >>
> > >>  And finally, if you still get crashes after following the above even
> > >> on pages that are reported to work now (like youtube) you probably
> want
> > >> to run `ktrace -di firefox...' and look at the output using
> linux_kdump
> > >> (thats the devel/linux_kdump port, you want to use a package), paying
> > >> specific attention to the lines above `PSIG SIGSEGV' (or whichever
> > >> signal you got), maybe there are still shlibs missing that the plugin
> > >> needs (NAMI ...something.so...), and if this is the case tell us about
> > >> it so the appropriate dependencies can be added to the relevant ports.
> > >> If you can't figure it out I guess it doesn't hurt to post the last
> > >> few 100 lines of the dump up to the relevant PSIG on -emulation...
> > >>
> > >>  You may also want to check linked shlibs like this:
> > >>    /compat/linux/bin/sh /compat/linux/usr/bin/ldd
> > >> /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so and
> > >>    /compat/linux/bin/sh /compat/linux/usr/bin/ldd
> > >> /usr/local/lib/nspluginwrapper/i386/linux/npviewer.bin (if you see
> `not
> > >> found' in there you know something is wrong) - although that doesn't
> > >> show libs that may be dlopen()d at runtime.
> > >
> > >Thanks for this.  I was able to get linux-flashplugin9 working in native
> > >Firefox 3.0.3 on FreeBSD 7-STABLE i386.  The only additional thing I had
> > >to do was copy
> > >/usr/X11R6/lib/browser_plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so into
> > >~/.mozilla/plugins/ for Firefox to recognize the plugin.
> >
> > Yeah I forgot to note that you want to run nspluginwrapper -i
> > as the user that will run the native browser, not as root, then the
> > wrapper will go into ~/.mozilla/plugins/...
> >
> > >  After that
> > >Youtube, google video, and google maps (incl. street view) work fine,
> > >but slow.  A friend of mine with a very similar setup was not so lucky
> > >and still has problems with flash9 locking up FF.
> >
> >  Hmm, lockups I haven't seen yet here.
> >
> >  HTH,
> >       Juergen
> > _______________________________________________
> > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
> > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
> > To unsubscribe, send any mail to
> > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
>
> It works almost perfectly for me ! Thanks for this, Juergen !.
>
> I had to say "almost perfectly" because in myspace, for instance, it takes
> a
> while for the "flashies" to start. One thing I noticed is that if I
> terminate
> FF, npviewer.bin remains loaded and I have to kill it.
>
> Here is what I've got:
>
> CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 3.20GHz (3199.66-MHz 686-class CPU)
> real memory  = 2146304000 (2046 MB)
> nvidia0: <GeForce 7100 GS> on vgapci0
> FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #3: Wed Oct 29 18:37:07 BRT 2008 (i386)
>
> kern.ipc.shmmax: 33554432  -> 1036870912
> kern.ipc.shmall: 8192  -> 261072
> compat.linux.osrelease: 2.4.2  -> 2.6.16
>
> firefox-3.0.3,1 AND 2.0.0.17 (both work!)
> linux_base-fc-4_10
> nspluginwrapper-1.0.0
> linux-flashplugin-9.0r124_2
>
> The mtv site worked fine all the way !! Great oldie stuff !
>
> --
> Mario Lobo
> http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br
> FreeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99,7% winedows FREE)
> _______________________________________________
> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "
> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
>

Mario try linux_base_fc7 it should stop the freezing. but myself I m having
issues with audio and can't figure out why.
From mlobo at digiart.art.br  Tue Nov  4 14:05:22 2008
From: mlobo at digiart.art.br (Mario Lobo)
Date: Tue Nov  4 14:05:29 2008
Subject: flash9 checklist
In-Reply-To: <28283d910811041359obffe74auf0ee5b05b3a4eb6a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200810280859.24048@aldan>
	<200811031923.38317.mlobo@digiart.art.br>
	<28283d910811041359obffe74auf0ee5b05b3a4eb6a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811041905.52423.mlobo@digiart.art.br>


> Mario try linux_base_fc7 it should stop the freezing. but myself I m having
> issues with audio and can't figure out why.
> _______________________________________________
> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
> To unsubscribe, send any mail to
> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"

Matt :

I have no audio issues.

I have linux_base_fc4 and I just installed linux_base_fc7. How do I disable 
fc4 and enable fc7??

-- 
Mario Lobo
http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br
FreeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99,7% winedows FREE)
From kitchetech at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 14:10:58 2008
From: kitchetech at gmail.com (matt donovan)
Date: Tue Nov  4 14:11:05 2008
Subject: flash9 checklist
In-Reply-To: <200811041905.52423.mlobo@digiart.art.br>
References: <200810280859.24048@aldan>
	<200811031923.38317.mlobo@digiart.art.br>
	<28283d910811041359obffe74auf0ee5b05b3a4eb6a@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811041905.52423.mlobo@digiart.art.br>
Message-ID: <28283d910811041410x5080a7ffw884226281d1091ae@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Mario Lobo <mlobo@digiart.art.br> wrote:

>
> > Mario try linux_base_fc7 it should stop the freezing. but myself I m
> having
> > issues with audio and can't figure out why.
> > _______________________________________________
> > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
> > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
> > To unsubscribe, send any mail to
> > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
>
> Matt :
>
> I have no audio issues.
>
> I have linux_base_fc4 and I just installed linux_base_fc7. How do I disable
> fc4 and enable fc7??
>
> --
> Mario Lobo
> http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br
> FreeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99,7% winedows FREE)
> _______________________________________________
> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "
> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
>

they get installed in the same place, but you need fc4 for ports still so I
would keep it installed just so that the ports will think you have it in
use. They will still work though
From fbsd.questions at rachie.is-a-geek.net  Tue Nov  4 14:12:34 2008
From: fbsd.questions at rachie.is-a-geek.net (Mel)
Date: Tue Nov  4 14:12:42 2008
Subject: Increasing the datasize limit
In-Reply-To: <20081104215200.GA37896@hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu>
References: <20081104215200.GA37896@hal.rescomp.berkeley.edu>
Message-ID: <200811042312.32089.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net>

On Tuesday 04 November 2008 22:52:00 Christopher Cowart wrote:

> According to setrlimit(2), "Only the super-user may raise the maximum
> limits," but apparently, I can't even increase the limit as the
> superuser.
>
> What am I missing?

The hardcoded default of 512Meg. Adjust in /boot/loader.conf like:
kern.defdsiz="768M"
kern.maxdsiz="768M"

See tuning(7) for more info.
-- 
Mel

Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules
    and never get to the software part.
From mlobo at digiart.art.br  Tue Nov  4 14:16:51 2008
From: mlobo at digiart.art.br (Mario Lobo)
Date: Tue Nov  4 14:16:58 2008
Subject: flash9 checklist
In-Reply-To: <28283d910811041410x5080a7ffw884226281d1091ae@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200810280859.24048@aldan>
	<200811041905.52423.mlobo@digiart.art.br>
	<28283d910811041410x5080a7ffw884226281d1091ae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811041917.24654.mlobo@digiart.art.br>

On Tuesday 04 November 2008 19:10:55 matt donovan wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Mario Lobo <mlobo@digiart.art.br> wrote:
> > > Mario try linux_base_fc7 it should stop the freezing. but myself I m
> >
> > having
> >
> > > issues with audio and can't figure out why.
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
> > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
> > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to
> > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
> >
> > Matt :
> >
> > I have no audio issues.
> >
> > I have linux_base_fc4 and I just installed linux_base_fc7. How do I
> > disable fc4 and enable fc7??
> >
> > --
> > Mario Lobo
> > http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br
> > FreeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99,7% winedows
> > FREE) _______________________________________________
> > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
> > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
> > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "
> > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
>
> they get installed in the same place, but you need fc4 for ports still so I
> would keep it installed just so that the ports will think you have it in
> use. They will still work though

Do I have to recompile the flash plugin with OVERRIDE_LINUX_BASE_PORT=fc7? How 
do I know which fc the pligin is using?

Thanks for helping, Matt  !

-- 
Mario Lobo
http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br
FreeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99,7% winedows FREE)
From brian at brianwhalen.net  Tue Nov  4 14:22:58 2008
From: brian at brianwhalen.net (Brian Whalen)
Date: Tue Nov  4 14:23:07 2008
Subject: Using csup
In-Reply-To: <2daa8b4e0811031738q759d34f4q274a676957ad379e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2daa8b4e0811031738q759d34f4q274a676957ad379e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4910CB3F.4050707@brianwhalen.net>

David Allen wrote:
> I'd like to move to using csup(1) and there's an error in the manpage
> that's raising some questions for me:
>
>     OPTIONS
>         base=base   The default base directory is /usr/local/etc/csup.
>
>     FILES
>         /usr/local/etc/cvsup                Default base directory.
>         sup                                 Default collDir subdirectory.
>         base/collDir/collection/checkouts*  List files.
>
> Assuming that the default 'base' directory is /usr/local/etc/cvsup, would
> the following three files be sufficient for csup to work?
>
> # /usr/local/etc/cvsup/standard-supfile
> *default tag=RELENG_7_0
> *default host=cvsup10.us.FreeBSD.org
> *default release=cvs delete use-rel-suffix compress
> src-all
>
> # /usr/local/etc/cvsup/doc-supfile
> doc-all
>
> # /usr/local/etc/cvsup/ports-supfile
> ports-all tag=.
>
> # usr/local/etc/cvsup/sup/refuse
> [contents of global refusefile]
> _______________________________________________
> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
>   
I like running this script.

It requires the port/package fastest-cvsup, it will test for the fastest 
one then use that.  Any server statement in your file is disregarded.  
You'll the the script still calls csup as you desire.

#!/bin/sh
        if SERVER=`/usr/local/bin/fastest_cvsup -q -c us`; then
        /usr/bin/csup -g -L 1 -h $SERVER 
/usr/share/examples/cvsup/stable-supfile
      fi

From kitchetech at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 14:27:00 2008
From: kitchetech at gmail.com (matt donovan)
Date: Tue Nov  4 14:27:14 2008
Subject: flash9 checklist
In-Reply-To: <200811041917.24654.mlobo@digiart.art.br>
References: <200810280859.24048@aldan>
	<200811041905.52423.mlobo@digiart.art.br>
	<28283d910811041410x5080a7ffw884226281d1091ae@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811041917.24654.mlobo@digiart.art.br>
Message-ID: <28283d910811041426o3a033629o84ff03cddf2b75e0@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Mario Lobo <mlobo@digiart.art.br> wrote:

> On Tuesday 04 November 2008 19:10:55 matt donovan wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Mario Lobo <mlobo@digiart.art.br> wrote:
> > > > Mario try linux_base_fc7 it should stop the freezing. but myself I m
> > >
> > > having
> > >
> > > > issues with audio and can't figure out why.
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
> > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
> > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to
> > > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
> > >
> > > Matt :
> > >
> > > I have no audio issues.
> > >
> > > I have linux_base_fc4 and I just installed linux_base_fc7. How do I
> > > disable fc4 and enable fc7??
> > >
> > > --
> > > Mario Lobo
> > > http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br
> > > FreeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99,7% winedows
> > > FREE) _______________________________________________
> > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
> > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
> > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "
> > > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
> >
> > they get installed in the same place, but you need fc4 for ports still so
> I
> > would keep it installed just so that the ports will think you have it in
> > use. They will still work though
>
> Do I have to recompile the flash plugin with OVERRIDE_LINUX_BASE_PORT=fc7?
> How
> do I know which fc the pligin is using?
>
> Thanks for helping, Matt  !
>
> --
> Mario Lobo
> http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br
> FreeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99,7% winedows FREE)
>

you shouldn't have to but it wouldn't hurt. since if you mess that up you
can just uninstall and reinstall flash9 as usual
From brian at brianwhalen.net  Tue Nov  4 14:29:35 2008
From: brian at brianwhalen.net (Brian Whalen)
Date: Tue Nov  4 14:29:46 2008
Subject: Problems with FreeBSD
In-Reply-To: <87mygfv9hi.fsf@kobe.laptop>
References: <e56958de0811031643s473b499haa3243de1ed7c278@mail.gmail.com>	<490FA51F.7010901@datapipe.com>	<e56958de0811040510s494c898fra3ac683392ba2028@mail.gmail.com>
	<87mygfv9hi.fsf@kobe.laptop>
Message-ID: <4910CCA8.4020704@brianwhalen.net>

Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:10:25 -0200, "J MPZ" <joompz@gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> Hi Paul,
>>
>> When my connections freeze, I open the tcpdump in other terminal. If I type
>> something, type "Enter", on the terminal frozen, the tcpdump show packets,
>> like that:
>>
>> 11:18:45.526256 IP (tos 0x0, ttl  51, id 651, offset 0, flags [DF], proto:
>> TCP (6), length: 112) 189.21.230.195.20787 > 201.57.5.2.2264: P 193:241(48)
>> ack 0 win 15136 <nop,nop,timestamp 1556398494 745829191,nop,nop,sack 1
>> {1428:1664}>
>>     
> [...]
>
>   
>> I'm using: tcpdump -nvvv -i ste0 host REMOTE_IP
>>     
>
> Can you try capturing the connection setup packets, so we can look at
> the TCP MSS negotiation values?  Starting TCPDUMP *before* one of the
> connections that stall is made should capture that.
>
> There may be an intermediate router or firewall that blocks ICMP and
> ends up breaking path MTU discovery.  I've seen TCP connections
> 'stall' when path-mtu was broken by a setup like this and one of the
> intermediate routers started dropping TCP packets that were too large
> for one of its interfaces.
>
> _______________________________________________
> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
>   
Since the result set is so big, something else to try may be invoking 
the ssh connection with compression on, -C is the flag.  THis will allow 
us to see if it really isnt working or is just slower than you'd like.

Brian
From mlobo at digiart.art.br  Tue Nov  4 14:37:43 2008
From: mlobo at digiart.art.br (Mario Lobo)
Date: Tue Nov  4 14:37:50 2008
Subject: flash9 checklist
In-Reply-To: <28283d910811041426o3a033629o84ff03cddf2b75e0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200810280859.24048@aldan>
	<200811041917.24654.mlobo@digiart.art.br>
	<28283d910811041426o3a033629o84ff03cddf2b75e0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811041938.15321.mlobo@digiart.art.br>

On Tuesday 04 November 2008 19:26:56 matt donovan wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Mario Lobo <mlobo@digiart.art.br> wrote:
> > On Tuesday 04 November 2008 19:10:55 matt donovan wrote:
> > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Mario Lobo <mlobo@digiart.art.br> wrote:
> > > > > Mario try linux_base_fc7 it should stop the freezing. but myself I
> > > > > m
> > > >
> > > > having
> > > >
> > > > > issues with audio and can't figure out why.
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
> > > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
> > > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to
> > > > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
> > > >
> > > > Matt :
> > > >
> > > > I have no audio issues.
> > > >
> > > > I have linux_base_fc4 and I just installed linux_base_fc7. How do I
> > > > disable fc4 and enable fc7??
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Mario Lobo
> > > > http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br
> > > > FreeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99,7% winedows
> > > > FREE) _______________________________________________
> > > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
> > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
> > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "
> > > > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
> > >
> > > they get installed in the same place, but you need fc4 for ports still
> > > so
> >
> > I
> >
> > > would keep it installed just so that the ports will think you have it
> > > in use. They will still work though
> >
> > Do I have to recompile the flash plugin with
> > OVERRIDE_LINUX_BASE_PORT=fc7? How
> > do I know which fc the pligin is using?
> >
> > Thanks for helping, Matt  !
> >
> > --
> > Mario Lobo
> > http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br
> > FreeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99,7% winedows
> > FREE)
>
> you shouldn't have to but it wouldn't hurt. since if you mess that up you
> can just uninstall and reinstall flash9 as usual

Now i'm having audio issues ! no sound at all :-(. 

I'll revert to fc4 for now. At least the slow downs/freezes were random.

Thanks Matt !
-- 
Mario Lobo
http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br
FreeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99,7% winedows FREE)
From kitchetech at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 14:41:20 2008
From: kitchetech at gmail.com (matt donovan)
Date: Tue Nov  4 14:41:27 2008
Subject: flash9 checklist
In-Reply-To: <200811041938.15321.mlobo@digiart.art.br>
References: <200810280859.24048@aldan>
	<200811041917.24654.mlobo@digiart.art.br>
	<28283d910811041426o3a033629o84ff03cddf2b75e0@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811041938.15321.mlobo@digiart.art.br>
Message-ID: <28283d910811041441v68eb57bbqd889c4abb12fcd3d@mail.gmail.com>

well you just answered my question as well :) figured it was fc7 that made
me not have sound but I knew no one that used it as well
From noc at hdk5.net  Tue Nov  4 14:46:44 2008
From: noc at hdk5.net (Al Plant)
Date: Tue Nov  4 14:46:51 2008
Subject: 7.1-BETA2 installation on ASUS P4S8X fails BIG MEDIUM ERROR
In-Reply-To: <20081104182931.GA54773@icarus.home.lan>
References: <49106440.4010906@kukulies.org>
	<1225813899.2734.1.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be>
	<491090CE.1090900@hdk5.net>
	<20081104182931.GA54773@icarus.home.lan>
Message-ID: <4910D0D3.4020402@hdk5.net>

Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 08:13:34AM -1000, Al Plant wrote:
>> Julien Cigar wrote:
>>> I've this problem too on almost all my machines. The only solution I've
>>> found is to disable DMA (atapi_dma), but then performances are very poor
>>> (and I'm still unable to burn a CD/DVD)
>>>
>>> On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 16:03 +0100, Christoph Kukulies wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> don't know whether it's the CDROM drive (a Creative 52x mx) or the  
>>>> motherboard (ASUS P4S8X) or what.
>>>> Anyway, I tried to install a recent version of FreeBSD (7.1-BETA2) 
>>>> and the installation
>>>> hangs right in the boot process of the installation CD disc1.
>>>>
>>>> I see
>>>>
>>>> acd0: FAILURE - READ BIG MEDIUM ERROR asc=0x11 ascq=0x00
>>>> run_interrupt_driven_hooks: still waiting after 60 seconds for xpt_config
>>>> run_interrupt_driven_hooks: still waiting after 120 seconds for xpt_config
>>>> run_interrupt_driven_hooks: still waiting after 180 seconds for xpt_config
>>>>
>>>> and so on.
>>>>
>>>> Any clues?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Christoph Kukulies
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
>>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
>>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
>> ############
>>
>> Aloha,
>>
>> I have had similiar happen on 7 and 8 Freebsd installs recently.
>>
>> If you install using safe mode it will work. Then in /boot/loader.conf
>>
>> #boot/loader.conf
>> hw.ata.ata-dma=0
>> hw.ata.atapi_dma=0
> 
> There is no hw.ata.ata-dma tunable.  I think you mean hw.ata.ata_dma
> (note: underscore, not hyphen).  If you really are using hw.ata.ata-dma,
> it does nothing.  :-)
> 
> Also folks, please remember that "ATA DMA" is for hard disks, and
> "ATAPI DMA" is for ATAPI devices (CD/DVD drives).  
> 
> Error messages from xpt_* functions are from by the ATAPI-to-CAM
> emulation layer (think: SCSI emulation for ATAPI devices), but are
> likely signs of underlying compatibility problems between the CD/DVD
> drive and FreeBSD, and not the fault of atapicam(4).
> 
> I'm not sure if there's a loader hint to disable xpt.
> 
>> The error that comes up when you burn a CD seems to be bogus as I have  
>> used the CD's with out error for installing on other boxes.
> 
> The "READ BIG MEDIUM ERROR" often indicates that the CD/DVD drive does
> not support a specific read operation mode; some CD/DVD manufacturers
> don't implement this command for various reasons.
> 
Aloha Jeremy,

Thanks for catching the - vs _ .

I hear  you, but I have to do the hw settings like above or the servers 
wont boot they stick at a db>
or mountroot>
  error
I think the 7 and 8 series OS are looking for SATA and dont like the IDE 
drives I use.

I know the atapi setting is for CD's and These are brand new DVD/CD RW 
burners fwiw.

A month or so back there were several people on line complaining about
this.

Maybe one of the FreeBSD  comitters will have a look and see if 
something is wrong.

~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii -  Phone:  808-284-2740
   + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org +
   + http://aloha50.net   - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* +
   < email: noc@hdk5.net >
"All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol

From popof.fpn at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 15:07:50 2008
From: popof.fpn at gmail.com (Popof Popof)
Date: Tue Nov  4 15:07:57 2008
Subject: Unable to mount / in read - write mode
In-Reply-To: <584820.36562.qm@web56807.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <9196e72b0811041057m7d33e3fap9a15246def6eb3a2@mail.gmail.com>
	<584820.36562.qm@web56807.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9196e72b0811041507l1714614fw7b4bc8c2b901c763@mail.gmail.com>

The kernel used is a GENERIC one from 6.0.

/ is mounted but in read-only mode and I can use it in single user mode.
The mount command has been created on October 26 2008 and I hadn't start my
laptop since one year so I'm sure that this comes from my update.

Using mount command manually failed:


> #mount -w /dev/ad0s2a /
> mount option <update> is unknown
> mount: /dev/ad0s2a


My fstab file contains

/dev/ad0s2a   /   ufs   rw   1   1
>

but ad0s2a is in ro mode as show mount output

/dev/ados2a on / (ufs, local, read-only)
>

2008/11/4 mdh <mdh_lists@yahoo.com>

> --- On Tue, 11/4/08, Popof Popof <popof.fpn@gmail.com> wrote:
> > From: Popof Popof <popof.fpn@gmail.com>
> > Subject: Unable to mount / in read - write mode
> > To: "FreeBSD Questions" <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
> > Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 1:57 PM
> > Hi,
> > I recently tried to update my FreeBSD 6.0 to FreeBSD 7.0.
> > I don't know where but I made a mistake and I am always
> > booting on the 6.0
> > kernel.
> > The problem is that I have an error during boot process:
> >
> > mount option <rw> is unknown
> > > mount: /dev/ad0s2a : Invalid argument
> > > Mounting root filesystem rw failed, startup aborted
> > > Boot interrupted
> >
> >
> > Its seems that tools have correctly upgraded (man mount let
> > me see that I
> > use the FreeBSD 7 version of mount) but not the kernel.
> >
> > Does someone has an idea to allow me to use my filesystem
> > in read write mode
> > ?
>
> This seems to be a problem with the mount command.  Why do you feel the
> kernel may be at fault?  If the kernel can get to mount, then it has
> obviously already mounted / (though possibly in read-only mode, which is
> something you should let us know...)
> There is also not necessarily a corrolation between a man page and the
> actual binary.  Check the binary's modification time and such for better
> detail here.  Beyond that, try running the mount command manually from the
> command line after booting from a CD or in single-user mode, if single-user
> mode works.
>
> - mdh
>
>
>
>
>
From joompz at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 15:14:02 2008
From: joompz at gmail.com (J MPZ)
Date: Tue Nov  4 15:14:10 2008
Subject: Problems with FreeBSD
In-Reply-To: <4910CCA8.4020704@brianwhalen.net>
References: <e56958de0811031643s473b499haa3243de1ed7c278@mail.gmail.com>
	<490FA51F.7010901@datapipe.com>
	<e56958de0811040510s494c898fra3ac683392ba2028@mail.gmail.com>
	<87mygfv9hi.fsf@kobe.laptop> <4910CCA8.4020704@brianwhalen.net>
Message-ID: <e56958de0811041514y16ff6757k5ff696ece0fafa61@mail.gmail.com>

YEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!

It's work! With the -C option work fine! :-)

Now, what I need to do to use it without -C? Do I need to change some
option?

The ssh was executed on Linux:

Linux (ssh -C host) -> ASA <- Internet -> FreeBSD
Thanks!

2008/11/4 Brian Whalen <brian@brianwhalen.net>

> Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
>
>>  On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:10:25 -0200, "J MPZ" <joompz@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hi Paul,
>>>
>>> When my connections freeze, I open the tcpdump in other terminal. If I
>>> type
>>> something, type "Enter", on the terminal frozen, the tcpdump show
>>> packets,
>>> like that:
>>>
>>> 11:18:45.526256 IP (tos 0x0, ttl  51, id 651, offset 0, flags [DF],
>>> proto:
>>> TCP (6), length: 112) 189.21.230.195.20787 > 201.57.5.2.2264: P
>>> 193:241(48)
>>> ack 0 win 15136 <nop,nop,timestamp 1556398494 745829191,nop,nop,sack 1
>>> {1428:1664}>
>>>
>>>
>> [...]
>>
>>
>>
>>> I'm using: tcpdump -nvvv -i ste0 host REMOTE_IP
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Can you try capturing the connection setup packets, so we can look at
>> the TCP MSS negotiation values?  Starting TCPDUMP *before* one of the
>> connections that stall is made should capture that.
>>
>> There may be an intermediate router or firewall that blocks ICMP and
>> ends up breaking path MTU discovery.  I've seen TCP connections
>> 'stall' when path-mtu was broken by a setup like this and one of the
>> intermediate routers started dropping TCP packets that were too large
>> for one of its interfaces.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "
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>>
>>
> Since the result set is so big, something else to try may be invoking the
> ssh connection with compression on, -C is the flag.  THis will allow us to
> see if it really isnt working or is just slower than you'd like.
>
> Brian
>
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From perrin at apotheon.com  Tue Nov  4 16:16:22 2008
From: perrin at apotheon.com (Chad Perrin)
Date: Tue Nov  4 16:16:29 2008
Subject: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
In-Reply-To: <120974.86441.qm@web56801.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <490CADB3.4070902@lazlarlyricon.com>
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On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 01:09:18PM -0700, mdh wrote:
> --- On Sat, 11/1/08, Rolf G Nielsen <listreader@lazlarlyricon.com> wrote:
> > 
> > If I need to (re)configure the behaviour of som app or part
> > of the system, I edit the appropriate config file, which
> > takes about a minute or two...
> 
> Unless you've never modified the configs for that app before, in which case you have to learn the configuration format.  It also sometimes occurs that these formats and locations and whatnot are changed between released by the developers.  Above and beyond that, some apps have good configuration documentation and are a breeze.  Others, less so.  
> 
> I'm not advocating a user interface for configuring everything, but for certain things which are inherently extremely complex, such as window manager layout and behavior, it's my opinion that it really is a time-saver.  
> 

For heavy-weight GUI environments like KDE and GNOME, and even
"feature-rich" but kinda medium-weight alternatives like WindowMaker
(possibly with GNUstep to make it a complete "desktop environment"), I
agree: a GUIfied configuration utility is a dire necessity.

For something at the lightweight end of the spectrum (assuming halfway
decent design), such as AHWM or wmii, such a tool would just get in the
way.


> > 
> > If a user of some fancy desktop with lots of whistles and
> > bells wants to do the same, he/she has to browse through an
> > extensive hierarchy of categories and subcategories to get
> > to the setting he/she wants to change. That hierarchy is
> > more than often far from intuitive, so that very same task
> > may take ten minutes or more.
> 
> I find KDE's configuration interface to be intuitive and generally quite sane.  GNOME's isn't lacking in that area either, imho, it's just lacking a lot of options that I feel ought to be tunable parameters (most of which are, but require extensive config file hacking...)  
> 

My very vague recollection of KDE 3 is that it was much easier to find
what I needed for configuration purposes than it is with KDE 4.  Version
4 seems to either lack a lot of configuration options or hide them really
well for some perverse reason.


> The simple fact is that I can configure my KDE desktop quicker than someone can, seeking the same granularity of modification, configure something which has no UI for configuration.  
> This isn't too big a deal for me, or you, or likely many of the folks on this list, but for someone who is new to FreeBSD and has never hacked a window manager config file before, it likely is.  They'd have to spend quite some time learning the format and locations, and finally doing the tweaking to get what they actually want from their system.  
> 

You make a good point here.  Maybe, if I ever get around to picking up
AHWM maintenance (since its creator abandoned it), I'll create a GUI
configurator.  Of course, I don't really have much need for it -- but it
would be absurdly easy to do, I think.


> Part of the reason a lot of folks use FreeBSD is for its flexibility.  One can do a great deal with a FreeBSD system.  It doesn't have to be taxing.  There's no sense in giving out "hardcore points" to people who expend time and energy doing something that can be done more efficiently through a UI and without the learning curve.  
> 

"More efficiently" and "without the learning curve" are not correlated,
in my experience.  In fact, I find that usually they each get in the
other's way.  Exceptions include things like Web page design.

There's a far more significant learning curve for basic use of wmii than
for KDE, for instance, but once one gets past the learning curve wmii is
a far better productivity enhancer than KDE for many types of activity.
The same goes for Vim vs. Notepad, tcsh vs. DOS, and Mutt vs. Outlook
Express.


> > 
> > In what way is the latter easier than the first? I see
> > none...
> 
> The fact is that your opinion (and mine, for that matter) are fairly subjective.  I've done things both ways - I was using FreeBSD before KDE and GNOME were at all widely used, and if you wanted a decent looking desktop that functioned the way you wanted to be most productive, you had to hack a config file.  
> That said, I just don't see how KDE's configuration system (as this is the topic at hand in this thread) is at all counterintuitive.  

My memory of KDE 3 is pretty sketchy, so I'll stick with KDE 4 on this
one:

I found KDE's configuration interface(s) very unintuitive recently.  So
called "intuitive" design is, to a significant degree, predicated upon
assumptions of familiarity.

Given a lack of familiarity, the time spent finding the options I needed
to customize the configuration of a KDE4 GUI last week by stumbling
around clicking on various things to see if that's how I find the way to
adjust behavior foo was at least comparable to, if not greater than, the
time I spent learning how to hack AHWM's configuration file.

In fact, I'd say that "easy" is much less subjective than "intuitive".
It's "easy" to create a new keyboard shortcut in AHWM's configuration
file using Vim, even if I had to get past an initial learning curve
before it became easy -- and I find hacking configuration files quite
intuitive, though part of the reason for that is, of course, the simple
fact that I do it a lot.


> 
> As far as KDE4 being untested, I'd send you over to the KDE folks to let them set you straight on that.  The short of it is that you're just flat-out wrong.  

It may be heavily tested, but in my experience, it is not *thoroughly*
tested.  It was . . . problematic, trying to get things to work properly,
in my case.  Turning off the desktop folder view was the only way to work
around the display problems with that widget last week, for example.  I,
personally, don't like desktop icons anyway -- but the computer I was
working with was for someone else, and the lack of desktop icons would be
kind of a burden on the person for whom the computer was intended.  Since
the folder view thing is KDE4's official way to do the desktop icon
thing, this seems like kind of a big deal to me.

I've never had problems of that kind with KDE's version 3, nor with MS
Windows.  Of course, I'd never trade that problem for the kinds of
problems I have had with MS Windows -- but this seems like just one more
piece of evidence of a step backwared from version 3.

For my purposes, KDE4 is beta software.


> 
> At the end of the day, when you find bugs in closed-source software, you call the vendor and file a ticket.  With open-source software, since you aren't paying anything, you ought to deal with bugs through the community.  Bug trackers for KDE exist.  So do mailing lists.  There's a community there with people - usually unpaid volunteers - who are willing to help debug the software, just as commercial software vendors have paid support staff for such issues.  If you don't like free UNIX-like systems, you can buy a nice Sun box and get Solaris support from Sun.  In fact, Sun's support has been really good in my vast experience, so I'd even go so far as to recommend this if what you want is that level of support.  Even Sun releases bugs sometimes though.  This is why they, like those of us in the open-source world, release patches.  
> 

Indeed.  I agree with that -- as far as it goes.  KDE4 seems to have some
bigger bug problems than what I'd expect from supposedly release-worthy
software, though.


> This whole argument just strikes me as a lot of meaningless complaining in lieu of actually productively trying to identify and fix bugs.  

If you want to get involved in bug fixing, using a beta version is a
great idea.  If you don't have the time or inclination, a supposed
release version that feels like beta test software is not the answer.

-- 
Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ]
Quoth Nat Torkington, on Perl internals: ". . . an interconnected mass
of livers and pancreas and lungs and little sharp pointy things and the
occasional exploding kidney."
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From perrin at apotheon.com  Tue Nov  4 16:23:11 2008
From: perrin at apotheon.com (Chad Perrin)
Date: Tue Nov  4 16:23:18 2008
Subject: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
In-Reply-To: <20081102004812.4faecd38.freebsd@edvax.de>
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On Sun, Nov 02, 2008 at 12:48:12AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 13:36:30 -1000, Al Plant <noc@hdk5.net> wrote:
> > Aloha,
> > Try XFCE 3 or 4 for an excellent OS window manager.
> 
> XFCE 3 can be turned into a CDE lookalike if it's desired.
> It's very lightweight and still features all the nice things
> you know from a UNIX X environment. Zsers coming from CDE
> will feel comfortable, if you take the time to tweak the
> settings a little bit.

Correction:  XFCE is very lightweight *compared to KDE and GNOME*.  It's
pretty hefty compared to a lot of other options -- many of which are
comparable, in terms of popularity, to XFCE.


> 
> In my opinion - and that's very individual, you know - WindowMaker
> is one of the best window managers around. Fast, lightweight,
> easy to configure, excellent keyboard support (that's where the
> other ones are lacking), ah, and did I mention it's fast? You
> can provide a useful (!) system even on a P1 150 MHz system
> with it. No joke.

In the medium-to-heavy weight class, WindowMaker is definitely in my top
five window managers.  There's also a complete "desktop environment" for
it comparable to KDE, GNOME, and XFCE desktop environments, in the form
of the GNUstep framework and all those applications built on it.  It
manages to be significantly lighter on resources and better performing
than KDE, GNOME, and XFCE.  It's quite a bit less "intuitive" to people
coming from MS Windows or MacOS, of course, because it emulates NeXTSTEP
rather than those other OSes, but if that doesn't bother you, it's an
excellent choice in my opinion.  It was the first window manager I
discovered that did more to stay the heck out of my way than it did to
try to help me do things the way someone else decided they should be
done.


> 
> If the magic of the tiling window managers opens up to you,
> you will even be more productive. Allthough I tried several
> of them, their magic wouldn't open up to me... :-)

I find wmii to be quite easy to pick up, in general, among tiling window
managers.  It also allows floating window management, and can even be
configured to do that by default rather than the tiling thing, if you so
desire.  It's currently my second choice window manager, after AHWM
(which is *not* a tiling window manager).

-- 
Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ]
Quoth Bill McKibben: "The laws of Congress and the laws of physics have
grown increasingly divergent, and the laws of physics are not likely to
yield."
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From perrin at apotheon.com  Tue Nov  4 16:28:27 2008
From: perrin at apotheon.com (Chad Perrin)
Date: Tue Nov  4 16:28:34 2008
Subject: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
In-Reply-To: <20081102102117.0818f271@tau.draftnet>
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On Sun, Nov 02, 2008 at 10:21:17AM -0800, Bruce Cran wrote:
> 
> And what about OS X? To me it seems it's a combination of the
> user-friendliness of Windows with the power of *NIX.  And lots of
> people have moved over to using it.

Unix is *very* user friendly.  It's just picky about who it considers
friends.

I don't remember who said that first, but I find it accurate.

-- 
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Quoth Malaclypse the Younger: "'Tis an ill wind that blows no minds."
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From kitchetech at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 16:07:45 2008
From: kitchetech at gmail.com (matt donovan)
Date: Tue Nov  4 16:52:56 2008
Subject: flash9 checklist
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References: <200810280859.24048@aldan>
	<20081028181731.GA30591@saturn.kn-bremen.de>
	<49086F1A.2090500@comcast.net> <1225293355.1683.75.camel@localhost>
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	<20081029190232.GA81068@dchagin.dialup.corbina.ru>
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On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 8:34 PM, matt donovan <kitchetech@gmail.com> wrote:

> Since I had linux_base-fc4 installed npviewer.bin kept hogging all CPU
> power until I killed it for native firefox3. Well I installed linux_base-fc7
> and now flash9 and npviewer.bin works fine in native firefox3.
>
> ok I tried this for the ones that have firefox3 native installed.
>
> install linux_base-fc7 and npviewer.bin should stop hogging all the cpu
> along with firefox3 freezing up until npviewer.bin is killed.
>
> I do not use extensions in my firefox3 so the flashblock issue before was
> not an issue for me.
>
>
>
ok it seems fc7 might be missing a dependency so I upgraded to fc8 for ff3
and now I have sound, since there have been reports that linux_base_f4 does
not like ff3 that much I had to upgrade my linux_base
From koitsu at FreeBSD.org  Tue Nov  4 17:14:28 2008
From: koitsu at FreeBSD.org (Jeremy Chadwick)
Date: Tue Nov  4 17:14:35 2008
Subject: 7.1-BETA2 installation on ASUS P4S8X fails BIG MEDIUM ERROR
In-Reply-To: <4910D0D3.4020402@hdk5.net>
References: <49106440.4010906@kukulies.org>
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On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 12:46:43PM -1000, Al Plant wrote:
> Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 08:13:34AM -1000, Al Plant wrote:
>>> Julien Cigar wrote:
>>>> I've this problem too on almost all my machines. The only solution I've
>>>> found is to disable DMA (atapi_dma), but then performances are very poor
>>>> (and I'm still unable to burn a CD/DVD)
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 16:03 +0100, Christoph Kukulies wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> don't know whether it's the CDROM drive (a Creative 52x mx) or 
>>>>> the  motherboard (ASUS P4S8X) or what.
>>>>> Anyway, I tried to install a recent version of FreeBSD 
>>>>> (7.1-BETA2) and the installation
>>>>> hangs right in the boot process of the installation CD disc1.
>>>>>
>>>>> I see
>>>>>
>>>>> acd0: FAILURE - READ BIG MEDIUM ERROR asc=0x11 ascq=0x00
>>>>> run_interrupt_driven_hooks: still waiting after 60 seconds for xpt_config
>>>>> run_interrupt_driven_hooks: still waiting after 120 seconds for xpt_config
>>>>> run_interrupt_driven_hooks: still waiting after 180 seconds for xpt_config
>>>>>
>>>>> and so on.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any clues?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Christoph Kukulies
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
>>>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
>>>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
>>> ############
>>>
>>> Aloha,
>>>
>>> I have had similiar happen on 7 and 8 Freebsd installs recently.
>>>
>>> If you install using safe mode it will work. Then in /boot/loader.conf
>>>
>>> #boot/loader.conf
>>> hw.ata.ata-dma=0
>>> hw.ata.atapi_dma=0
>>
>> There is no hw.ata.ata-dma tunable.  I think you mean hw.ata.ata_dma
>> (note: underscore, not hyphen).  If you really are using hw.ata.ata-dma,
>> it does nothing.  :-)
>>
>> Also folks, please remember that "ATA DMA" is for hard disks, and
>> "ATAPI DMA" is for ATAPI devices (CD/DVD drives).  
>>
>> Error messages from xpt_* functions are from by the ATAPI-to-CAM
>> emulation layer (think: SCSI emulation for ATAPI devices), but are
>> likely signs of underlying compatibility problems between the CD/DVD
>> drive and FreeBSD, and not the fault of atapicam(4).
>>
>> I'm not sure if there's a loader hint to disable xpt.
>>
>>> The error that comes up when you burn a CD seems to be bogus as I 
>>> have  used the CD's with out error for installing on other boxes.
>>
>> The "READ BIG MEDIUM ERROR" often indicates that the CD/DVD drive does
>> not support a specific read operation mode; some CD/DVD manufacturers
>> don't implement this command for various reasons.
>>
> Aloha Jeremy,
>
> Thanks for catching the - vs _ .
>
> I hear  you, but I have to do the hw settings like above or the servers  
> wont boot they stick at a db>
> or mountroot>

Those are two very different things.  A db> prompt indicates you're
hitting a kernel panic, while a mountroot> prompt indicates the OS can't
find your root filesystem.

> I think the 7 and 8 series OS are looking for SATA and dont like the IDE  
> drives I use.

I understand, but what I'm saying is that "hw.ata.ata-dma=0" (note the
hyphen) is not fixing/solving anything, because it contains a typo.

> I know the atapi setting is for CD's and These are brand new DVD/CD RW  
> burners fwiw.
>
> A month or so back there were several people on line complaining about
> this.
>
> Maybe one of the FreeBSD  comitters will have a look and see if  
> something is wrong.

The "I get dropped to a mountroot prompt" problem has been reported many
times, and so far there haven't been any indications what causes it to
happen for people.

-- 
| Jeremy Chadwick                                jdc at parodius.com |
| Parodius Networking                       http://www.parodius.com/ |
| UNIX Systems Administrator                  Mountain View, CA, USA |
| Making life hard for others since 1977.              PGP: 4BD6C0CB |

From koitsu at FreeBSD.org  Tue Nov  4 17:16:02 2008
From: koitsu at FreeBSD.org (Jeremy Chadwick)
Date: Tue Nov  4 17:16:09 2008
Subject: Watching /var/log/pflog grow
In-Reply-To: <20081104191354.GA1819@phenom.cordula.ws>
References: <20081104191354.GA1819@phenom.cordula.ws>
Message-ID: <20081105011557.GB62321@icarus.home.lan>

On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 08:13:54PM +0100, cpghost wrote:
> How can I watch /var/log/pflog grow with tcpdump, "tail -f" style?
> 
> This won't work:
>   $ tail -f /var/log/pflog | tcpdump -n -s 116 -r -
> because tail doesn't start at the right location.
> 
> Using a blocksize (-b) with tail may also not be right,
> because the captured packets are not the same size.
> 
> This seems to work:
>   $ tcpdump -n -s 116 -i pflog0
> but now, both tcpdump and pflogd are competing for the same
> interface pflog0.
> 
> I'm afraid that in the latter case, every packet will be
>   EITHER logged by pflogd
>   XOR    displayed by tcpdump.
> Is that so?
> 
> If yes, /var/log/pflog would be incomplete, because some packets
> would have been snatched away from pflog0 by tcpdump, before
> pflogd ever got a chance to read them out.
> 
> Is there a way to watch /var/log/pflog grow, while
> still making sure that pflogd logs EVERY packet that appears
> on the pflog0 interface? How?

Please post this to freebsd-pf, where you can get better help.

-- 
| Jeremy Chadwick                                jdc at parodius.com |
| Parodius Networking                       http://www.parodius.com/ |
| UNIX Systems Administrator                  Mountain View, CA, USA |
| Making life hard for others since 1977.              PGP: 4BD6C0CB |

From koitsu at FreeBSD.org  Tue Nov  4 17:17:58 2008
From: koitsu at FreeBSD.org (Jeremy Chadwick)
Date: Tue Nov  4 17:18:05 2008
Subject: Authentication with SSH using public keys
In-Reply-To: <001636417a85d6c0f0045ae30fbf@google.com>
References: <001636417a85d6c0f0045ae30fbf@google.com>
Message-ID: <20081105011754.GC62321@icarus.home.lan>

On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 12:39:36PM -0800, af300wsm@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>> > Following onto the e-mail I made before, apparently that little 
> permissions
>>
>> > difference for the directory, .ssh, was the problem. Changing it to 
>> 644 
> has,
>>
>> > apparently, fixed the problem.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cool :) . I learnt this from my first SSH public-key authentication
>>
>> configuration ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> Ashish
>>
>> --
>>
>
> Of course I meant to say that changing the perms to 755 fixed it, not 
> 644. I'm still reviewing the docs but I think that this directory could 
> be made 700, is that correct? Or, at the least, 750?

The ~/.ssh directory should be 700.  Remember, sshd runs as root, which
means the permissions shouldn't really matter (sans the execute bit,
which as I said is needed for directories).

You don't want 750 unless you ***really*** intend for members of the
same group to have read access to your ~/.ssh/ directory.  Based on the
OP's description of the setup, he does not need this.

-- 
| Jeremy Chadwick                                jdc at parodius.com |
| Parodius Networking                       http://www.parodius.com/ |
| UNIX Systems Administrator                  Mountain View, CA, USA |
| Making life hard for others since 1977.              PGP: 4BD6C0CB |

From noc at hdk5.net  Tue Nov  4 17:47:27 2008
From: noc at hdk5.net (Al Plant)
Date: Tue Nov  4 17:47:34 2008
Subject: 7.1-BETA2 installation on ASUS P4S8X fails BIG MEDIUM ERROR
In-Reply-To: <20081105011425.GA62321@icarus.home.lan>
References: <49106440.4010906@kukulies.org>
	<1225813899.2734.1.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be>
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Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 12:46:43PM -1000, Al Plant wrote:
>> Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
>>> On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 08:13:34AM -1000, Al Plant wrote:
>>>> Julien Cigar wrote:
>>>>> I've this problem too on almost all my machines. The only solution I've
>>>>> found is to disable DMA (atapi_dma), but then performances are very poor
>>>>> (and I'm still unable to burn a CD/DVD)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 16:03 +0100, Christoph Kukulies wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> don't know whether it's the CDROM drive (a Creative 52x mx) or 
>>>>>> the  motherboard (ASUS P4S8X) or what.
>>>>>> Anyway, I tried to install a recent version of FreeBSD 
>>>>>> (7.1-BETA2) and the installation
>>>>>> hangs right in the boot process of the installation CD disc1.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I see
>>>>>>
>>>>>> acd0: FAILURE - READ BIG MEDIUM ERROR asc=0x11 ascq=0x00
>>>>>> run_interrupt_driven_hooks: still waiting after 60 seconds for xpt_config
>>>>>> run_interrupt_driven_hooks: still waiting after 120 seconds for xpt_config
>>>>>> run_interrupt_driven_hooks: still waiting after 180 seconds for xpt_config
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and so on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any clues?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Christoph Kukulies
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
>>>>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
>>>> ############
>>>>
>>>> Aloha,
>>>>
>>>> I have had similiar happen on 7 and 8 Freebsd installs recently.
>>>>
>>>> If you install using safe mode it will work. Then in /boot/loader.conf
>>>>
>>>> #boot/loader.conf
>>>> hw.ata.ata-dma=0
>>>> hw.ata.atapi_dma=0
>>> There is no hw.ata.ata-dma tunable.  I think you mean hw.ata.ata_dma
>>> (note: underscore, not hyphen).  If you really are using hw.ata.ata-dma,
>>> it does nothing.  :-)
>>>
>>> Also folks, please remember that "ATA DMA" is for hard disks, and
>>> "ATAPI DMA" is for ATAPI devices (CD/DVD drives).  
>>>
>>> Error messages from xpt_* functions are from by the ATAPI-to-CAM
>>> emulation layer (think: SCSI emulation for ATAPI devices), but are
>>> likely signs of underlying compatibility problems between the CD/DVD
>>> drive and FreeBSD, and not the fault of atapicam(4).
>>>
>>> I'm not sure if there's a loader hint to disable xpt.
>>>
>>>> The error that comes up when you burn a CD seems to be bogus as I 
>>>> have  used the CD's with out error for installing on other boxes.
>>> The "READ BIG MEDIUM ERROR" often indicates that the CD/DVD drive does
>>> not support a specific read operation mode; some CD/DVD manufacturers
>>> don't implement this command for various reasons.
>>>
>> Aloha Jeremy,
>>
>> Thanks for catching the - vs _ .
>>
>> I hear  you, but I have to do the hw settings like above or the servers  
>> wont boot they stick at a db>
>> or mountroot>
> 
> Those are two very different things.  A db> prompt indicates you're
> hitting a kernel panic, while a mountroot> prompt indicates the OS can't
> find your root filesystem.
> 
>> I think the 7 and 8 series OS are looking for SATA and dont like the IDE  
>> drives I use.
> 
> I understand, but what I'm saying is that "hw.ata.ata-dma=0" (note the
> hyphen) is not fixing/solving anything, because it contains a typo.
> 
>> I know the atapi setting is for CD's and These are brand new DVD/CD RW  
>> burners fwiw.
>>
>> A month or so back there were several people on line complaining about
>> this.
>>
>> Maybe one of the FreeBSD  comitters will have a look and see if  
>> something is wrong.
> 
> The "I get dropped to a mountroot prompt" problem has been reported many
> times, and so far there haven't been any indications what causes it to
> happen for people.
> 
_____________

Aloha Jeremy,

The - was not in the installs. I typed it correctly in the several cases 
where it was used.

It will be interesting to see if anybody can find a solution to these 
issues.

I am not a coder just a long time user of FreeBSD, (since 3.*) I think 
it was. It is such a rock solid system that most of us are curious when 
something like this happens and its hard to find out why.

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   + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org +
   + http://aloha50.net   - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* +
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From sahil at tandon.net  Tue Nov  4 18:22:47 2008
From: sahil at tandon.net (Sahil Tandon)
Date: Tue Nov  4 18:22:53 2008
Subject: Watching /var/log/pflog grow
In-Reply-To: <20081104191354.GA1819@phenom.cordula.ws>
References: <20081104191354.GA1819@phenom.cordula.ws>
Message-ID: <20081105022242.GA1178@shepherd>

cpghost <cpghost@cordula.ws> wrote:

> How can I watch /var/log/pflog grow with tcpdump, "tail -f" style?
> 
> This won't work:
>   $ tail -f /var/log/pflog | tcpdump -n -s 116 -r -
> because tail doesn't start at the right location.

[...]

> I'm afraid that in the latter case, every packet will be
>   EITHER logged by pflogd
>   XOR    displayed by tcpdump.
> Is that so?
> 
> If yes, /var/log/pflog would be incomplete, because some packets
> would have been snatched away from pflog0 by tcpdump, before
> pflogd ever got a chance to read them out.
> 
> Is there a way to watch /var/log/pflog grow, while
> still making sure that pflogd logs EVERY packet that appears
> on the pflog0 interface? How?

According to pflogd(8):

   Display the logs in real time (this does not interfere with the
   operation of pflogd):

          # tcpdump -n -e -ttt -i pflog0

-- 
Sahil Tandon <sahil@tandon.net>
From joeb at a1poweruser.com  Tue Nov  4 19:04:48 2008
From: joeb at a1poweruser.com (joeb)
Date: Tue Nov  4 19:04:55 2008
Subject: xfce decktop time display
In-Reply-To: <20081104092130.6e3d60fe@asus64>
Message-ID: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBEEINCMAA.joeb@a1poweruser.com>

Right click on the pgm launcher does not open the drop down menu. Reading
the xfce4 user guide says alternate way to open the pgm launcher drop down
menu is to use Ctrl + left mouse click. This works. I have a two button
mouse.
Is this a Bug?

By the way, once the pgm launcher drop down menu opens changing the clock
time display format was easy.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 1:22 AM
To: fbsd1@a1poweruser.com
Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD. ORG
Subject: Re: xfce decktop time display

On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:53:47 +0800
"FBSD1" <fbsd1@a1poweruser.com> wrote:

> Using Xfce4 and the time is displayed in military time 2200.
> Want to change this to regular AM/PM displayed time. 10pm
> Been through the manual and all the menus and can not find knob to
> change the time setting.
>
> Thanks for any help you can give.
>
Right click the time display and uncheck 24 hours
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From scrappy at hub.org  Tue Nov  4 20:15:54 2008
From: scrappy at hub.org (Marc G. Fournier)
Date: Tue Nov  4 20:16:01 2008
Subject: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In
Message-ID: <6325A1EC2612A377A50F6576@ganymede.hub.org>

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- --On Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:25:39 -0500 Gabriel Lavoie 
<glavoie@gmail.com> wrote:

> When are the stats updated on bsdstats.org?

real-time ... and they aren't "for all time", the #s are based on systems 
reporting in over the past 60 days, so you will periodically see a bit of back 
tracking, depending on when in the cycle hosts reported in ... if I reload the 
page a few times, I may see it go from 25 013 -> 25 103 -> 25 143 -> 25 140 ... 
but the overall is an upward increase in numbers ...


>
> Thanks
>
> Gabriel
>
> 2008/11/4 Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org>
>
>> On Wed, 5 Nov 2008, andrew clarke wrote:
>>
>>  On Mon 2008-11-03 18:33:57 UTC-0400, Marc G. Fournier (scrappy@hub.org)
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  For FreeBSD users, you just need to install /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats
>>>> to set things up.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I stopped using bsdstats after it caused my FreeBSD router to take too
>>> long to boot up after a reboot.  If I recall correctly, I had
>>> bsdstats_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf and after the reboot bsdstats
>>> was called before ppp was able to start, so it couldn't connect to the
>>> bsdstats server.  On the other hand this was a while ago and I am
>>> going by memory, so I may be wrong about what happened or it was just
>>> a coincidence.  At the time I was more interested in getting the
>>> router running so I didn't really care for debugging what was going
>>> on.  I realise this is a bit of a vague bug report, so feel free to
>>> ignore it.
>>>
>>
>> There is an optional flag for 'reporting on reboot' ... the original script
>> only did reporting monthly, out of periodic, but some ppl (ie. using
>> laptops) suggesting an optional flag so that when they rebooted, they would
>> be counted also ...
>>
>> And you are correct, just change:
>>
>> bsdstats_enable="YES"
>>
>> to
>>
>> bsdstats_enable="NO"
>>
>> And 'on reboot' will eb disabled, and only periodic will be used ... at a
>> minimum, you just need:
>>
>> monthly_statistics_enable="YES"
>>
>> in /etc/periodic.conf, wich will only report OS/version and skip the
>> devices/ports reports ...
>>
>> ----
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>> )
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>
>
>
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From cpghost at cordula.ws  Tue Nov  4 21:22:05 2008
From: cpghost at cordula.ws (cpghost)
Date: Tue Nov  4 21:22:14 2008
Subject: Watching /var/log/pflog grow
In-Reply-To: <4910A08A.6050204@infracaninophile.co.uk>
References: <20081104191354.GA1819@phenom.cordula.ws>
	<4910A08A.6050204@infracaninophile.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20081105052200.GC2277@epia-2.farid-hajji.net>

On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 07:20:42PM +0000, Matthew Seaman wrote:
> cpghost wrote:
> > How can I watch /var/log/pflog grow with tcpdump, "tail -f" style?
> > 
> > This won't work:
> >   $ tail -f /var/log/pflog | tcpdump -n -s 116 -r -
> > because tail doesn't start at the right location.
> > 
> > Using a blocksize (-b) with tail may also not be right,
> > because the captured packets are not the same size.
> > 
> > This seems to work:
> >   $ tcpdump -n -s 116 -i pflog0
> > but now, both tcpdump and pflogd are competing for the same
> > interface pflog0.
> > 
> > I'm afraid that in the latter case, every packet will be
> >   EITHER logged by pflogd
> >   XOR    displayed by tcpdump.
> > Is that so?
> > 
> > If yes, /var/log/pflog would be incomplete, because some packets
> > would have been snatched away from pflog0 by tcpdump, before
> > pflogd ever got a chance to read them out.
> > 
> > Is there a way to watch /var/log/pflog grow, while
> > still making sure that pflogd logs EVERY packet that appears
> > on the pflog0 interface? How?
> > 
> 
> Running tcpdump against the pflog0 pseudo-interface no more stops
> pflogd recording the traffic than running tcpdump on your network
> interface blocks traffic from the net.

Ah, okay. pflog0 therefore delivers a *copy* of the packets to all
subscribers. That's good to know!

>    tcpdump -vv -i pflog0
> 
> really is the way to go if you want to see what your firewall is
> logging in real time.

Yep, will do. Thanks for helping.

-cpghost.

> 	Cheers,
> 
> 	Matthew
> 
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From cpghost at cordula.ws  Tue Nov  4 21:27:15 2008
From: cpghost at cordula.ws (cpghost)
Date: Tue Nov  4 21:27:21 2008
Subject: Watching /var/log/pflog grow
In-Reply-To: <20081105022242.GA1178@shepherd>
References: <20081104191354.GA1819@phenom.cordula.ws>
	<20081105022242.GA1178@shepherd>
Message-ID: <20081105052710.GD2277@epia-2.farid-hajji.net>

On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 09:22:42PM -0500, Sahil Tandon wrote:
> cpghost <cpghost@cordula.ws> wrote:
> 
> > How can I watch /var/log/pflog grow with tcpdump, "tail -f" style?
> > 
> > This won't work:
> >   $ tail -f /var/log/pflog | tcpdump -n -s 116 -r -
> > because tail doesn't start at the right location.
> 
> [...]
> 
> > I'm afraid that in the latter case, every packet will be
> >   EITHER logged by pflogd
> >   XOR    displayed by tcpdump.
> > Is that so?
> > 
> > If yes, /var/log/pflog would be incomplete, because some packets
> > would have been snatched away from pflog0 by tcpdump, before
> > pflogd ever got a chance to read them out.
> > 
> > Is there a way to watch /var/log/pflog grow, while
> > still making sure that pflogd logs EVERY packet that appears
> > on the pflog0 interface? How?
> 
> According to pflogd(8):
> 
>    Display the logs in real time (this does not interfere with the
>    operation of pflogd):
> 
>           # tcpdump -n -e -ttt -i pflog0

EOUTOFCAFFEINE

I actually read the man page, but I didn't pay attention to this.
Sorry for the noise and thanks for pointing it out.

-cpghost.

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From cpghost at cordula.ws  Tue Nov  4 21:30:45 2008
From: cpghost at cordula.ws (cpghost)
Date: Tue Nov  4 21:30:51 2008
Subject: Watching /var/log/pflog grow
In-Reply-To: <20081105011557.GB62321@icarus.home.lan>
References: <20081104191354.GA1819@phenom.cordula.ws>
	<20081105011557.GB62321@icarus.home.lan>
Message-ID: <20081105053040.GE2277@epia-2.farid-hajji.net>

On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 05:15:57PM -0800, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 08:13:54PM +0100, cpghost wrote:
> > How can I watch /var/log/pflog grow with tcpdump, "tail -f" style?
> > 
> > This won't work:
> >   $ tail -f /var/log/pflog | tcpdump -n -s 116 -r -
> > because tail doesn't start at the right location.
> > 
> > Using a blocksize (-b) with tail may also not be right,
> > because the captured packets are not the same size.
> > 
> > This seems to work:
> >   $ tcpdump -n -s 116 -i pflog0
> > but now, both tcpdump and pflogd are competing for the same
> > interface pflog0.
> > 
> > I'm afraid that in the latter case, every packet will be
> >   EITHER logged by pflogd
> >   XOR    displayed by tcpdump.
> > Is that so?
> > 
> > If yes, /var/log/pflog would be incomplete, because some packets
> > would have been snatched away from pflog0 by tcpdump, before
> > pflogd ever got a chance to read them out.
> > 
> > Is there a way to watch /var/log/pflog grow, while
> > still making sure that pflogd logs EVERY packet that appears
> > on the pflog0 interface? How?
> 
> Please post this to freebsd-pf, where you can get better help.

Thank you, but the problem seems solved (pflog0 delivers copies of
packets). I'll test this tomorrow and should I miss some packets
in the log file, I'll surely raise the question again.

Thanks you all for helping, on and off list.

-cpghost.

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From smithi at nimnet.asn.au  Tue Nov  4 22:33:49 2008
From: smithi at nimnet.asn.au (Ian Smith)
Date: Tue Nov  4 22:33:56 2008
Subject: Apache environment variables - logical AND
Message-ID: <20081105170631.O70117@sola.nimnet.asn.au>

I know this isn't FreeBSD specific - but I am, so crave your indulgence.

Running Apache 1.3.27, using a fairly extensive access.conf to beat off 
the most rapacious robots and such, using mostly BrowserMatch[NoCase] 
and SetEnvIf to moderate access to several virtual hosts.  No problem.

OR conditions are of course straighforward:

  SetEnvIf <condition1> somevar
  SetEnvIf <condition2> somevar
  SetEnvIf <exception1> !somevar

What I can't figure out is how to set a variable3 if and only if both 
variable1 AND variable2 are set.  Eg:

  SetEnvIf Referer "^$" no_referer
  SetEnvIf User-Agent "^$" no_browser

I want the equivalent for this (invalid and totally fanciful) match: 

  SetEnvIf (no_browser AND no_referer) go_away

Any clues?

cheers, Ian
From koitsu at FreeBSD.org  Tue Nov  4 23:27:55 2008
From: koitsu at FreeBSD.org (Jeremy Chadwick)
Date: Tue Nov  4 23:28:03 2008
Subject: Apache environment variables - logical AND
In-Reply-To: <20081105170631.O70117@sola.nimnet.asn.au>
References: <20081105170631.O70117@sola.nimnet.asn.au>
Message-ID: <20081105072752.GA4079@icarus.home.lan>

On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 05:33:45PM +1100, Ian Smith wrote:
> I know this isn't FreeBSD specific - but I am, so crave your indulgence.
> 
> Running Apache 1.3.27, using a fairly extensive access.conf to beat off 
> the most rapacious robots and such, using mostly BrowserMatch[NoCase] 
> and SetEnvIf to moderate access to several virtual hosts.  No problem.
> 
> OR conditions are of course straighforward:
> 
>   SetEnvIf <condition1> somevar
>   SetEnvIf <condition2> somevar
>   SetEnvIf <exception1> !somevar
> 
> What I can't figure out is how to set a variable3 if and only if both 
> variable1 AND variable2 are set.  Eg:
> 
>   SetEnvIf Referer "^$" no_referer
>   SetEnvIf User-Agent "^$" no_browser
> 
> I want the equivalent for this (invalid and totally fanciful) match: 
> 
>   SetEnvIf (no_browser AND no_referer) go_away

Sounds like a job for mod_rewrite.  The SetEnvIf stuff is such a hack.

This is what we use on our production servers (snipped to keep it
short):

RewriteEngine on
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} ^XXXX:                      [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} ^http://forums.somethingawful.com/  [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} ^http://forums.fark.com/    [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^Alexibot                [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^asterias                [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^BackDoorBot             [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^Black.Hole              [NC,OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^WWWOFFLE                [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^Xaldon.WebSpider
RewriteRule ^.* - [F,L]

You need to keep something in mind however: blocking by user agent is
basically worthless these days.  Most "leeching" tools now let you
spoof the user agent to show up as Internet Explorer, essentially
defeating the checks.

If you're that concerned about bandwidth (which is why a lot of people
do the above), consider rate-limiting.  It's really, quite honestly, the
only method that is fail-safe.

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From guru at unixarea.de  Wed Nov  5 00:28:52 2008
From: guru at unixarea.de (Matthias Apitz)
Date: Wed Nov  5 00:29:01 2008
Subject: tangoGPS && FreeBSD 7.0
In-Reply-To: <20081104173559.2901b14e@fabiankeil.de>
References: <20081029092516.GA3095@rebelion.Sisis.de>
	<20081030195105.1b5a154d@fabiankeil.de>
	<20081030192026.GA5498@rebelion.Sisis.de>
	<20081104173559.2901b14e@fabiankeil.de>
Message-ID: <20081105082847.GA2900@rebelion.Sisis.de>

El d?a Tuesday, November 04, 2008 a las 05:35:59PM +0100, Fabian Keil escribi?:

> > tangoGPS compiled and works just fine in FreeBSD, just the usual way:
> > 
> > ./configure
> > make
> > make install
> 
> Good to know. Are you already working on a port?

I could and will do that by the end of the year in my free days around
the change of the year;

> > it needs a gps daemon which is in the ports, and you need some GPS
> > device RS232 or USB based and the web pages of gpsd have a long list
> > of compatibel devices, for sure not all tested with FreeBSD; will see if
> > I could check some out in the near future;
> 
> I was thinking about running tangoGPS on FreeBSD and
> connecting it to the gpsd already running on the Freerunner.

Yes, this works very nice; but for folks without a FR there should be
choices as well, i.e. a small list of GPS gadgets which work with
FreeBSD USB drivers;

Concerning gpsd running on the FR, I encounter that tangoGPS tries to connect
to 127.0.0.1 and not to the configured host 192.168.0.202; you have to
press the GPSD button in tangoGPS config page to make it connect to the
remote host; will check the sources for this bug/feature...

	matthias
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From jotawski at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 00:58:34 2008
From: jotawski at gmail.com (fire jotawski)
Date: Wed Nov  5 00:58:43 2008
Subject: cvsup: local
Message-ID: <c583719d0811050058m3205b11n245536e4c4cb1262@mail.gmail.com>

hi sirs,

i have my small box, 10.3.1.25 ip,  that cvsup-ed files from repository into
it.  it use cvs-supfile in /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ to collect files.
now that i want my other machine to cvsup 6.2-release source files from the
one mentioned above.

my  trial was

cvsupd -b /var/db -c sup

for box, 10.3.1.25 ip,  and for other machine

cvsup -g -L 2 -h 10.3.1.25 sup-file

what i got was  'Server message: Unknown collection "src-all" ' message.
and later on

Running
Skipping collection src-all/cvs
Skipping collection doc-all/cvs
Shutting down connection to server
Finished successfully

very strange indeed.

any helps and hints in setting cvsup server would highly be appreciated.

with best regards,
psr
From smithi at nimnet.asn.au  Wed Nov  5 01:24:19 2008
From: smithi at nimnet.asn.au (Ian Smith)
Date: Wed Nov  5 01:24:25 2008
Subject: Apache environment variables - logical AND
In-Reply-To: <20081105072752.GA4079@icarus.home.lan>
References: <20081105170631.O70117@sola.nimnet.asn.au>
	<20081105072752.GA4079@icarus.home.lan>
Message-ID: <20081105194002.N70117@sola.nimnet.asn.au>

On Tue, 4 Nov 2008, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
 > On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 05:33:45PM +1100, Ian Smith wrote:
 > > I know this isn't FreeBSD specific - but I am, so crave your indulgence.
 > > 
 > > Running Apache 1.3.27, using a fairly extensive access.conf to beat off 
 > > the most rapacious robots and such, using mostly BrowserMatch[NoCase] 
 > > and SetEnvIf to moderate access to several virtual hosts.  No problem.
 > > 
 > > OR conditions are of course straighforward:
 > > 
 > >   SetEnvIf <condition1> somevar
 > >   SetEnvIf <condition2> somevar
 > >   SetEnvIf <exception1> !somevar
 > > 
 > > What I can't figure out is how to set a variable3 if and only if both 
 > > variable1 AND variable2 are set.  Eg:
 > > 
 > >   SetEnvIf Referer "^$" no_referer
 > >   SetEnvIf User-Agent "^$" no_browser
 > > 
 > > I want the equivalent for this (invalid and totally fanciful) match: 
 > > 
 > >   SetEnvIf (no_browser AND no_referer) go_away
 > 
 > Sounds like a job for mod_rewrite.  The SetEnvIf stuff is such a hack.

It may be a hack, but I've found it an extremely useful one so far.

 > This is what we use on our production servers (snipped to keep it
 > short):
 > 
 > RewriteEngine on
 > RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} ^XXXX:                      [OR]
 > RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} ^http://forums.somethingawful.com/  [OR]
 > RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} ^http://forums.fark.com/    [OR]
 > RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^Alexibot                [OR]
 > RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^asterias                [OR]
 > RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^BackDoorBot             [OR]
 > RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^Black.Hole              [NC,OR]
 > RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^WWWOFFLE                [OR]
 > RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^Xaldon.WebSpider
 > RewriteRule ^.* - [F,L]
 > 
 > You need to keep something in mind however: blocking by user agent is
 > basically worthless these days.  Most "leeching" tools now let you
 > spoof the user agent to show up as Internet Explorer, essentially
 > defeating the checks.

While that's true, I've found most of the more troublesome robots are 
too proud of their 'brand' to spoof user agent, and those that do are a) 
often consistent enough in their Remote_Addr to exclude by subnet and/or 
b) often make obvious errors in spoofed User_Agent strings .. especially 
those pretending to be some variant of MSIE :)

 > If you're that concerned about bandwidth (which is why a lot of people
 > do the above), consider rate-limiting.  It's really, quite honestly, the
 > only method that is fail-safe.

Thanks Jeremy.  Certainly time to take the time to have another look at 
mod_rewrite, especially regarding redirection, alternative pages etc, 
but I still tend to glaze over about halfway through all that section.

And unless I've completely missed it, your examples don't address my 
question, being how to AND two or more conditions in a particular test?

If I really can't do this with mod_setenvif I'll have to take that time.

cheers, Ian
From koitsu at FreeBSD.org  Wed Nov  5 02:17:03 2008
From: koitsu at FreeBSD.org (Jeremy Chadwick)
Date: Wed Nov  5 02:17:10 2008
Subject: Apache environment variables - logical AND
In-Reply-To: <20081105194002.N70117@sola.nimnet.asn.au>
References: <20081105170631.O70117@sola.nimnet.asn.au>
	<20081105072752.GA4079@icarus.home.lan>
	<20081105194002.N70117@sola.nimnet.asn.au>
Message-ID: <20081105101625.GA6494@icarus.home.lan>

On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 08:24:16PM +1100, Ian Smith wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Nov 2008, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
>  > On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 05:33:45PM +1100, Ian Smith wrote:
>  > > I know this isn't FreeBSD specific - but I am, so crave your indulgence.
>  > > 
>  > > Running Apache 1.3.27, using a fairly extensive access.conf to beat off 
>  > > the most rapacious robots and such, using mostly BrowserMatch[NoCase] 
>  > > and SetEnvIf to moderate access to several virtual hosts.  No problem.
>  > > 
>  > > OR conditions are of course straighforward:
>  > > 
>  > >   SetEnvIf <condition1> somevar
>  > >   SetEnvIf <condition2> somevar
>  > >   SetEnvIf <exception1> !somevar
>  > > 
>  > > What I can't figure out is how to set a variable3 if and only if both 
>  > > variable1 AND variable2 are set.  Eg:
>  > > 
>  > >   SetEnvIf Referer "^$" no_referer
>  > >   SetEnvIf User-Agent "^$" no_browser
>  > > 
>  > > I want the equivalent for this (invalid and totally fanciful) match: 
>  > > 
>  > >   SetEnvIf (no_browser AND no_referer) go_away
>  > 
>  > Sounds like a job for mod_rewrite.  The SetEnvIf stuff is such a hack.
> 
> It may be a hack, but I've found it an extremely useful one so far.
>
>  > This is what we use on our production servers (snipped to keep it
>  > short):
>  > 
>  > RewriteEngine on
>  > RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} ^XXXX:                      [OR]
>  > RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} ^http://forums.somethingawful.com/  [OR]
>  > RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} ^http://forums.fark.com/    [OR]
>  > RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^Alexibot                [OR]
>  > RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^asterias                [OR]
>  > RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^BackDoorBot             [OR]
>  > RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^Black.Hole              [NC,OR]
>  > RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^WWWOFFLE                [OR]
>  > RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^Xaldon.WebSpider
>  > RewriteRule ^.* - [F,L]
>  > 
>  > You need to keep something in mind however: blocking by user agent is
>  > basically worthless these days.  Most "leeching" tools now let you
>  > spoof the user agent to show up as Internet Explorer, essentially
>  > defeating the checks.
> 
> While that's true, I've found most of the more troublesome robots are 
> too proud of their 'brand' to spoof user agent, and those that do are a) 
> often consistent enough in their Remote_Addr to exclude by subnet and/or 
> b) often make obvious errors in spoofed User_Agent strings .. especially 
> those pretending to be some variant of MSIE :)

I haven't found this to be true at all, and I've been doing web hosting
since 1993.  In the past 2-3 years, the amount of leeching tools which
spoof their User-Agent has increased dramatically.

But step back for a moment and look at it from a usability perspective,
because this is what really happens.

A user tries to leech a site you host, using FruitBatLeecher, which your
Apache server blocks based on User-Agent.  The user has no idea why the
leech program doesn't work.  Does the user simply give up his quest?
Absolutely not -- the user then goes and finds BobsBandwidthZilla which
pretends to be Internet Explorer, Firefox, or lynx, and downloads the
site.

Now, if you're trying to block robots/scrapers which aren't honouring
robots.txt, oh yes, that almost always works, because those rarely spoof
their User-Agent (I think to date I've only seen one site which did
that, and it was some Russian search engine).

If you feel I'm just doing burn-outs arguing, a la "BSD style", let me
give you some insight to how often I deal with this problem: daily.

We host a very specific/niche site that contains over 20 years of
technical information on the Famicom / Nintendo Entertainment System.
The site has hundreds of megabytes of information, and a very active
forum.  Some jackass comes along and decides "Wow, this has all the info
I want!" and fires off a leeching program against the entire
domain/vhost.  Let's say the program he's using is blocked by our
User-Agent blocks; there is a 6-7 minute delay as the user goes off to
find another program to leech with, installs it, and attempts it again.
Pow, it works, and we find nice huge spikes in our logs for the vhost
indicating someone got around it.  I later dig through our access_log and
find that he tried to use FruitBatLeecher, which got blocked, but then
6-7 minutes later came back with a leeching client that spoofs itself
as IE.

And it gets worse.

Many of these leeching programs get stuck in infinite loops when it
comes to forum software, so they sit there pounding on the webserver
indefinitely.  It requires administrator intervention to stop it; in my
case, I don't even bother with Apache ACLs, because ~70% of the time
the client ignores 403s and keeps bashing away (yes really!) -- I go
straight for a pf-based block in a table called <web-leechers>.  These
guys will hit that block for *days* -- that should give you some idea
how long they'll let that program run.

But it gets worse -- again.

Recently, I found two examples of very dedicated leechers.  One was an
individual out of China (or using Chinese IPs -- take your pick), and
another was at an Italian university.  These individuals got past the
User-Agent blocks, and I caught their leeching software stuck in a loop
on the site forum.  I blocked their IPs with pf, thinking it would be
enough, then went to sleep.  I woke up the following evening to find
they were back at it again.  How?

The Chinese individual literally got another IP somehow, in a completely
different netblock; possibly a DHCP release/renew, possibly some friend
of his, whatever.

The Italian university individual was successful in his leech attempts
exactly 50% of the time -- because their university used a transparent
HTTP proxy that was balanced between two IPs.  I had only blocked one
of them.

Starting to get the picture now?  :-)

The only effective way to deal with all of this is rate-limiting.  I do
not advocate "queues" or "buckets", or "dynamic buckets" where each IP
is allocated X number of simultaneous sockets, and if they exceed that,
they get rate-limited.  I also do not advocate "shared queues", where
if there are X number of sockets, allow Z amount of bandwidth, but if
X is more than, say, 200 sockets, allow Z/2 amount of bandwidth.

The tuning is simply not worth it -- people will go to great lengths
to screw you.  And if your stuff is in a 95th-percentile billing
environment, believe me, you DO NOT want to wake up one morning to
find that someone has cost you thousands of dollars.

Also, I recommend using ipfw dummynet or pf ALTQ for rate-limiting.  The
few Apache bandwidth-limiting modules I've tried have bizarre side
effects.  Here's a forum post of mine (on the above site) explaining
why we moved away from mod_cband and went with pf ALTQ.

http://nesdev.parodius.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=4184

>  > If you're that concerned about bandwidth (which is why a lot of people
>  > do the above), consider rate-limiting.  It's really, quite honestly, the
>  > only method that is fail-safe.
> 
> Thanks Jeremy.  Certainly time to take the time to have another look at 
> mod_rewrite, especially regarding redirection, alternative pages etc, 
> but I still tend to glaze over about halfway through all that section.

Yeah, I agree, the mod_rewrite documentation is overwhelming, and that
turns a lot of people off.  The examples I gave you should allow you to
look up each piece of the directive at a time, and once you do that,
it'll all make sense.

> And unless I've completely missed it, your examples don't address my 
> question, being how to AND two or more conditions in a particular test?
>
> If I really can't do this with mod_setenvif I'll have to take that time.

You can't do it with mod_setenvif.  You can do it with mod_rewrite,
because all mod_rewrite rules default to an operator type of "AND".  The
[OR] you see in my rules is an explicit override for obvious reasons.

Open the Apache 1.3 mod_rewrite docs and search for "implicit AND".
It'll all make sense then.  :-)

I hope some of what I've said above gives you something to think about.
Hosting environments are a real pain in the ass; when it's "just you and
your own personal box" it's easy, but when it's larger scale and
involves users (customers or friends, doesn't matter), it's a totally
different game.

-- 
| Jeremy Chadwick                                jdc at parodius.com |
| Parodius Networking                       http://www.parodius.com/ |
| UNIX Systems Administrator                  Mountain View, CA, USA |
| Making life hard for others since 1977.              PGP: 4BD6C0CB |

From rihad at mail.ru  Wed Nov  5 04:23:09 2008
From: rihad at mail.ru (rihad)
Date: Wed Nov  5 04:23:16 2008
Subject: Asynchronous pipe I/O
Message-ID: <49117FCA.5030107@mail.ru>

Imagine this shell pipeline:

sh prog1 | sh prog2


As given above, prog1 blocks if prog2 hasn't yet read previously written 
data (actually, newline separated commands) or is busy. What I want is 
for prog1 to never block:

sh prog1 | buffer | sh prog2

I first thought that the aptly named misc/buffer port would do exactly 
what I wanted: buffering prog1 output for prog2 to read it at its 
earliest convenience. That way prog1 would never block (unless it hit 
buffer's memory limits). Alas, misc/buffer was originally designed for 
tape backups, and despite its author's stating its applicability to 
other uses:

"This is a program designed initially to speed up writing tapes on 
remote tape drives, but may be used as a general pipe buffering utility."


buffer never starts writing unless the limit given by -s is crossed, 
which is 10 kbytes by default and cannot be less than 496 bytes, which 
is too much for me. Ideally I want it to start writing immediately, 
whenever new data hits its pools. Unfortunately, the -p 0 option doesn't 
work either:

        -s size
             Size in bytes of each block.  The  default  blocksize  is
             10k  to match the normal output of the tar(1) program.

       -p percentage
             Only start a write when the given percentage of the internal
             queue is  full.   A  percentage around 75 often proves best.
             Defaults to zero.

Wouldn't such an intermediary tool be a great way to boost performance 
for certain types of solutions?

Thanks for any tips (Sorry if this was an inappropriate place to ask)
From alasdair at iprimus.com.au  Wed Nov  5 04:23:39 2008
From: alasdair at iprimus.com.au (Alasdair Reed)
Date: Wed Nov  5 04:23:46 2008
Subject: X session over LAN errors
Message-ID: <20081105112514.GB104@paxpc1.localhost.net>

Hi,
I am trying to open an X session over a LAN, the connection via ssh works fine however I get  an error message when  I try to open an X application on the remote machine

debug1: read PEM private key done: type RSA
debug1: Authentication succeeded (publickey).
debug1: channel 0: new [client-session]
debug1: Entering interactive session.
debug1: Requesting X11 forwarding with authentication spoofing.
Last login: Wed Nov  5 10:29:41 2008 from 192.168.0.6
NetBSD 3.0.1 (GENERIC) #0: Thu Jul 13 23:43:47 UTC 2006

Welcome to NetBSD!

$ xclock -d
debug1: client_input_channel_open: ctype x11 rchan 3 win 65536 max 16384
debug1: client_request_x11: request from ::1 65447
debug1: channel 1: new [x11]
debug1: confirm x11
X Error of failed request:  BadDrawable (invalid Pixmap or Window parameter)
  Major opcode of failed request:  55 (X_CreateGC)
    Resource id in failed request:  0x5c
      Serial number of failed request:  1
	Current serial number in output stream:  3
	debug1: channel 1: FORCE input drain
	debug1: channel 1: free: x11, nchannels 2


The client  machine, 192.168.0.6 has the following version of X installed
X -version

X.Org X Server 1.4.0
Release Date: 5 September 2007
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
Build Operating System: FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE i386 
Current Operating System: FreeBSD localhost 6.3-STABLE FreeBSD 6.3-STABLE #0: Sun Aug 24 09:27:22 EST 2008     alasdair@localhost:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MYKERNELIPFW i386
Build Date: 01 April 2008  04:41:15PM
 
	 Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
		 to make sure that you have the latest version.
		 Module Loader present

The server machine, 192.168.0.3  has this installed

$ X -version

XFree86 Version 4.5.0
Release Date: 16 March 2005
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
Build Operating System:NetBSD/i386 3.0.1 - The NetBSD Foundation, Inc.
Current Operating System: NetBSD paxpc1.localhost.net 3.0.1 NetBSD 3.0.1 (GENERIC) #0: Thu Jul 13 23:43:47 UTC 2006  builds@b3.netbsd.org:/home/builds/ab/netbsd-3-0-1-RELEASE/i386/200607131826Z-obj/home/builds/ab/netbsd-3-0-1-RELEASE/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC i386
Build Date: 13 July 2006
        Before reporting problems, check http://www.XFree86.Org/
		to make sure that you have the latest version.
		Module Loader present
		Command line: X -version

Searching the error messages was not very helpful, it seemed like X could give out these messages for quite a number of reasons none of the available posts seemed to fit my problem.
My windows manager is xmonad-0.7_2 
Any clues?

Thanks in advance,

Alasdair

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From stephenf22 at googlemail.com  Wed Nov  5 04:44:31 2008
From: stephenf22 at googlemail.com (stephen farrell)
Date: Wed Nov  5 04:44:40 2008
Subject: uhub0: device problem
Message-ID: <41b6ede20811050421u76ec9a1bjb5da897090f20fc4@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, first off I'm new to FreeBSD so be gentle! :)

I seem to be having problems with a HP 7260 usb printer.  Cups is installed
and setup correctly following the Handbook method but i'm finding that the
uhub is getting disabled, stalling and timing out.  I have reproduced the
same results on my other system.

Both systems are running FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE & GENERIC kernel.

The error message from dmesg is:
uhub0: device problem (IOERROR), disabling port 1

I do not have any issues with usb mouse or keyboards.  Is this a known issue
or can i rectify the problem at all.  Would be grateful for some help as i
am new to this level of configuration.

Gratefully

Stephen.
From freebsd-questions-local at be-well.ilk.org  Wed Nov  5 04:53:26 2008
From: freebsd-questions-local at be-well.ilk.org (Lowell Gilbert)
Date: Wed Nov  5 04:53:33 2008
Subject: Unable to mount / in read - write mode
In-Reply-To: <9196e72b0811041507l1714614fw7b4bc8c2b901c763@mail.gmail.com>
	(Popof Popof's message of "Wed\, 5 Nov 2008 00\:07\:48 +0100")
References: <9196e72b0811041057m7d33e3fap9a15246def6eb3a2@mail.gmail.com>
	<584820.36562.qm@web56807.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<9196e72b0811041507l1714614fw7b4bc8c2b901c763@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44skq69vwf.fsf@lowell-desk.lan>

"Popof Popof" <popof.fpn@gmail.com> writes:

> The kernel used is a GENERIC one from 6.0.
>
> / is mounted but in read-only mode and I can use it in single user mode.
> The mount command has been created on October 26 2008 and I hadn't start my
> laptop since one year so I'm sure that this comes from my update.

Yes, you do seem to have made a mess of your system, all right.  
If you hadn't used the machine lately anyway, you might find it easier
to start from "scratch" (wipe out the installation and start over).
But hopefully not.

> Using mount command manually failed:
>
>
>> #mount -w /dev/ad0s2a /
>> mount option <update> is unknown
>> mount: /dev/ad0s2a
>
>
> My fstab file contains
>
> /dev/ad0s2a   /   ufs   rw   1   1
>>
>
> but ad0s2a is in ro mode as show mount output
>
> /dev/ados2a on / (ufs, local, read-only)

At least the device names seem to be the same.  

This might be something silly and minor.  You can boot from CD (or
floppy, flash drive, etc.) to edit the file, and try to edit the
file.  Remember that you need a newline at the end of the fstab file,
and strange characters can confuse it.

>
> 2008/11/4 mdh <mdh_lists@yahoo.com>
>
>> --- On Tue, 11/4/08, Popof Popof <popof.fpn@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > From: Popof Popof <popof.fpn@gmail.com>
>> > Subject: Unable to mount / in read - write mode
>> > To: "FreeBSD Questions" <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
>> > Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 1:57 PM
>> > Hi,
>> > I recently tried to update my FreeBSD 6.0 to FreeBSD 7.0.
>> > I don't know where but I made a mistake and I am always
>> > booting on the 6.0
>> > kernel.
>> > The problem is that I have an error during boot process:
>> >
>> > mount option <rw> is unknown
>> > > mount: /dev/ad0s2a : Invalid argument
>> > > Mounting root filesystem rw failed, startup aborted
>> > > Boot interrupted
>> >
>> >
>> > Its seems that tools have correctly upgraded (man mount let
>> > me see that I
>> > use the FreeBSD 7 version of mount) but not the kernel.
>> >
>> > Does someone has an idea to allow me to use my filesystem
>> > in read write mode
>> > ?
>>
>> This seems to be a problem with the mount command.  Why do you feel the
>> kernel may be at fault?  If the kernel can get to mount, then it has
>> obviously already mounted / (though possibly in read-only mode, which is
>> something you should let us know...)
>> There is also not necessarily a corrolation between a man page and the
>> actual binary.  Check the binary's modification time and such for better
>> detail here.  Beyond that, try running the mount command manually from the
>> command line after booting from a CD or in single-user mode, if single-user
>> mode works.
>>
>> - mdh
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From robin at reportlab.com  Wed Nov  5 05:02:29 2008
From: robin at reportlab.com (Robin Becker)
Date: Wed Nov  5 05:02:36 2008
Subject: gcc 3.4.4 -fno-gcse
Message-ID: <49119963.5070104@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk>

I'm trying to do some benchmarks for a new/improved version of CPython and would 
like to know if gcc 3.4.4 as distributed with FreeBSD 6.1 handles the -fno-gcse 
option reasonably. I looked in the man page, but don't see that option 
explicitly so perhaps the main thrust of the optimisation approach is going wrong.
-- 
Robin Becker
From glavoie at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 05:06:15 2008
From: glavoie at gmail.com (Gabriel Lavoie)
Date: Wed Nov  5 05:06:22 2008
Subject: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In
In-Reply-To: <6325A1EC2612A377A50F6576@ganymede.hub.org>
References: <6325A1EC2612A377A50F6576@ganymede.hub.org>
Message-ID: <d05df8620811050506v2eb94766n820f64d15e21cc30@mail.gmail.com>

That's strange, because I enabled the reporting on my system but its CPU
that wasn't on the list didn't appear.

Gabriel

2008/11/4 Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org>

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>
>
> - --On Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:25:39 -0500 Gabriel Lavoie
> <glavoie@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > When are the stats updated on bsdstats.org?
>
> real-time ... and they aren't "for all time", the #s are based on systems
> reporting in over the past 60 days, so you will periodically see a bit of
> back
> tracking, depending on when in the cycle hosts reported in ... if I reload
> the
> page a few times, I may see it go from 25 013 -> 25 103 -> 25 143 -> 25 140
> ...
> but the overall is an upward increase in numbers ...
>
>
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Gabriel
> >
> > 2008/11/4 Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org>
> >
> >> On Wed, 5 Nov 2008, andrew clarke wrote:
> >>
> >>  On Mon 2008-11-03 18:33:57 UTC-0400, Marc G. Fournier (scrappy@hub.org
> )
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  For FreeBSD users, you just need to install
> /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats
> >>>> to set things up.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I stopped using bsdstats after it caused my FreeBSD router to take too
> >>> long to boot up after a reboot.  If I recall correctly, I had
> >>> bsdstats_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf and after the reboot bsdstats
> >>> was called before ppp was able to start, so it couldn't connect to the
> >>> bsdstats server.  On the other hand this was a while ago and I am
> >>> going by memory, so I may be wrong about what happened or it was just
> >>> a coincidence.  At the time I was more interested in getting the
> >>> router running so I didn't really care for debugging what was going
> >>> on.  I realise this is a bit of a vague bug report, so feel free to
> >>> ignore it.
> >>>
> >>
> >> There is an optional flag for 'reporting on reboot' ... the original
> script
> >> only did reporting monthly, out of periodic, but some ppl (ie. using
> >> laptops) suggesting an optional flag so that when they rebooted, they
> would
> >> be counted also ...
> >>
> >> And you are correct, just change:
> >>
> >> bsdstats_enable="YES"
> >>
> >> to
> >>
> >> bsdstats_enable="NO"
> >>
> >> And 'on reboot' will eb disabled, and only periodic will be used ... at
> a
> >> minimum, you just need:
> >>
> >> monthly_statistics_enable="YES"
> >>
> >> in /etc/periodic.conf, wich will only report OS/version and skip the
> >> devices/ports reports ...
> >>
> >> ----
> >> Marc G. Fournier           Hub.Org Networking Services (
> http://www.hub.org
> >> )
> >> Email . scrappy@hub.org                              MSN .
> scrappy@hub.org
> >> Yahoo . yscrappy               Skype: hub.org        ICQ . 7615664
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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From tequnix at frogmi.net  Wed Nov  5 05:24:36 2008
From: tequnix at frogmi.net (tequnix@frogmi.net)
Date: Wed Nov  5 05:24:43 2008
Subject: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
In-Reply-To: <200811031138.38016.tabthorpe@freebsd.org>
References: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBOEGOCMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>
	<200811031138.38016.tabthorpe@freebsd.org>
Message-ID: <20081105142431.5e18d988@jadzia.intern.creative.co.at>

Am Mon, 3 Nov 2008 12:38:30 -0400
schrieb Thomas Abthorpe <tabthorpe@freebsd.org>:

> I submit to the court of pulic opinion that KDE4 *IS* stable on FreeBSD. I 
> would encourage you to check out the following resources

while it may be supposed to be stable - it is, in my opinion, unusable.

i tried to use it for several months now, and yesterday got happily
divorced - our cohabitation did last for more than 8 years - and
turned to xfce4.

most annoying behaviour was:

 - used to freeze the desktop, panels, window-manager completely after
ldap-server went away, no matter how long it was unreachable (i.e. a
restart was enough). i think this has something to do with
nsswitch.conf/libnss_ldap and dbus .. but xfce also use dbus, and here
are no freezes ..

 - on my old (pentium3 i think) workstation at work, it used to freeze
desktop etc. completely, as soon as the system load went above
~1.5, due to compiling e.g., now with xfce there is a notable
slowdown, but it is still possible to work 

 - after starting a java swing or applet application, desktop etc.
freezes for several minutes 

 - after browser hung due to flash/npviewer.bin problem, desktop etc.
freezes for several minutes 

 - startup took as long as it usually only takes for windoze systems
(several minutes)


conclusion: it was no longer possible to work, that is why i regard
kde4 as completely unusable, at least on older systems.

br,
reinhard
  

-- 
Save yourself!  Reboot in 5 seconds!
From popof.fpn at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 05:50:08 2008
From: popof.fpn at gmail.com (Popof Popof)
Date: Wed Nov  5 05:50:15 2008
Subject: Unable to mount / in read - write mode
In-Reply-To: <44skq69vwf.fsf@lowell-desk.lan>
References: <9196e72b0811041057m7d33e3fap9a15246def6eb3a2@mail.gmail.com>
	<584820.36562.qm@web56807.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<9196e72b0811041507l1714614fw7b4bc8c2b901c763@mail.gmail.com>
	<44skq69vwf.fsf@lowell-desk.lan>
Message-ID: <9196e72b0811050550l57360e0fj7e66bf75ce3dda9f@mail.gmail.com>

I can't install FreeBSD 7 from scratch because this is a laptop and the CD
drive is dead.
Also as this is a laptop I don't have any floopy drive.
I have found this thread talking about the same problem:

http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/current/2006-01/msg00095.html

But the /rescue/mount command didn't help me.

Does fstab file for a FreeBSD 6.0 and 7.0 are different ? I think yes
because before upgrading there were no problem to boot.

I also tried to use the mount command in order to get my drive in write mode
but it's failed.
Is there something to do in order to mount it correctly just one time in
order to modify my fstab file ?


2008/11/5 Lowell Gilbert <freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org>

> "Popof Popof" <popof.fpn@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > The kernel used is a GENERIC one from 6.0.
> >
> > / is mounted but in read-only mode and I can use it in single user mode.
> > The mount command has been created on October 26 2008 and I hadn't start
> my
> > laptop since one year so I'm sure that this comes from my update.
>
> Yes, you do seem to have made a mess of your system, all right.
> If you hadn't used the machine lately anyway, you might find it easier
> to start from "scratch" (wipe out the installation and start over).
> But hopefully not.
>
> > Using mount command manually failed:
> >
> >
> >> #mount -w /dev/ad0s2a /
> >> mount option <update> is unknown
> >> mount: /dev/ad0s2a
> >
> >
> > My fstab file contains
> >
> > /dev/ad0s2a   /   ufs   rw   1   1
> >>
> >
> > but ad0s2a is in ro mode as show mount output
> >
> > /dev/ados2a on / (ufs, local, read-only)
>
> At least the device names seem to be the same.
>
> This might be something silly and minor.  You can boot from CD (or
> floppy, flash drive, etc.) to edit the file, and try to edit the
> file.  Remember that you need a newline at the end of the fstab file,
> and strange characters can confuse it.
>
> >
> > 2008/11/4 mdh <mdh_lists@yahoo.com>
> >
> >> --- On Tue, 11/4/08, Popof Popof <popof.fpn@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > From: Popof Popof <popof.fpn@gmail.com>
> >> > Subject: Unable to mount / in read - write mode
> >> > To: "FreeBSD Questions" <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
> >> > Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 1:57 PM
> >> > Hi,
> >> > I recently tried to update my FreeBSD 6.0 to FreeBSD 7.0.
> >> > I don't know where but I made a mistake and I am always
> >> > booting on the 6.0
> >> > kernel.
> >> > The problem is that I have an error during boot process:
> >> >
> >> > mount option <rw> is unknown
> >> > > mount: /dev/ad0s2a : Invalid argument
> >> > > Mounting root filesystem rw failed, startup aborted
> >> > > Boot interrupted
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Its seems that tools have correctly upgraded (man mount let
> >> > me see that I
> >> > use the FreeBSD 7 version of mount) but not the kernel.
> >> >
> >> > Does someone has an idea to allow me to use my filesystem
> >> > in read write mode
> >> > ?
> >>
> >> This seems to be a problem with the mount command.  Why do you feel the
> >> kernel may be at fault?  If the kernel can get to mount, then it has
> >> obviously already mounted / (though possibly in read-only mode, which is
> >> something you should let us know...)
> >> There is also not necessarily a corrolation between a man page and the
> >> actual binary.  Check the binary's modification time and such for better
> >> detail here.  Beyond that, try running the mount command manually from
> the
> >> command line after booting from a CD or in single-user mode, if
> single-user
> >> mode works.
> >>
> >> - mdh
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
> > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "
> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
> >
>
> --
> Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area
>                http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/<http://be-well.ilk.org/%7Elowell/>
>
From rvm at CBORD.com  Wed Nov  5 06:00:57 2008
From: rvm at CBORD.com (Bob McConnell)
Date: Wed Nov  5 06:01:04 2008
Subject: Unable to mount / in read - write mode
In-Reply-To: <9196e72b0811050550l57360e0fj7e66bf75ce3dda9f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9196e72b0811041057m7d33e3fap9a15246def6eb3a2@mail.gmail.com><584820.36562.qm@web56807.mail.re3.yahoo.com><9196e72b0811041507l1714614fw7b4bc8c2b901c763@mail.gmail.com><44skq69vwf.fsf@lowell-desk.lan>
	<9196e72b0811050550l57360e0fj7e66bf75ce3dda9f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FF8482A96323694490C194BABEAC24A0037F45AC@Email.cbord.com>

On Behalf Of Popof Popof

> I can't install FreeBSD 7 from scratch because this is a
> laptop and the CD drive is dead.
> Also as this is a laptop I don't have any floopy drive.

Any chance you have a docking station for that laptop with a NIC that
supports PXE? Could you do a network boot and install?

Bob McConnell
From fbsd.questions at rachie.is-a-geek.net  Wed Nov  5 06:12:15 2008
From: fbsd.questions at rachie.is-a-geek.net (Mel)
Date: Wed Nov  5 06:12:21 2008
Subject: Unable to mount / in read - write mode
In-Reply-To: <9196e72b0811050550l57360e0fj7e66bf75ce3dda9f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9196e72b0811041057m7d33e3fap9a15246def6eb3a2@mail.gmail.com>
	<44skq69vwf.fsf@lowell-desk.lan>
	<9196e72b0811050550l57360e0fj7e66bf75ce3dda9f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811051511.48613.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net>

On Wednesday 05 November 2008 14:50:05 Popof Popof wrote:
> I can't install FreeBSD 7 from scratch because this is a laptop and the CD
> drive is dead.

Is it possible you installed the base system (make installworld), without 
having installed the kernel (make installkernel)?
If that's the case, without an external drive or backups, your options to get 
a working system again are very very slim.
The only two things I can think of that would work, is an usb memory card with 
the 6.x mount command on it, that you'd run to remount / rw and take it from 
there. Or a bootable memory card with 7.x kernel.

However, it would help a lot if you could give a bit more information:
- how does the kernel identify your disk (drive letters and numbers)?
- Can you capture anything like a verbose boot or dmesg?
- Output of `mount -a -d -v' command
- How you determined your upgrade went wrong and you "run 6.x".

-- 
Mel

Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules
    and never get to the software part.
From korvus at comcast.net  Wed Nov  5 06:35:46 2008
From: korvus at comcast.net (Steve Polyack)
Date: Wed Nov  5 06:35:53 2008
Subject: flash9 checklist
In-Reply-To: <49086F1A.2090500@comcast.net>
References: <200810280859.24048@aldan>	<20081028181731.GA30591@saturn.kn-bremen.de>
	<49086F1A.2090500@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4911AF29.6070707@comcast.net>

Steve Polyack wrote:
> Juergen Lock wrote:
>>
>> Preliminary checklist for getting flash9 to work in native firefox:
>> (flash10 needs more ports work, I shall post about that seperately on
>> -emulation...)  If you have additions to this please post a followup to
>> this thread, keeping the Cc: (I'm not on -questions...)
>>
>> 1. You need RELENG_7 from at least Mon Oct 20 11:15:57 2008 UTC
>> (the relevant MFC commits are:
>>     http://svn.freebsd.org/viewvc/base?view=revision&revision=183819
>>     http://svn.freebsd.org/viewvc/base?view=revision&revision=184075
>> - a recent HEAD should also work of course.)  There are linprocfs 
>> patches
>> for RELENG_6 too (merging the former commit), but the latter commit 
>> can't
>> be merged to 6 (and 7.0) since they lack the cpuset bits, so flash9
>> probably won't work on SMP there.  (Although if you have SMP you 
>> probably
>> should be running 7 anyway. :)  Oh and if you do have SMP you also 
>> need to
>> use the ULE scheduler, the cpuset syscalls are not supported with 4BSD.
>> linprocfs patches for 6:
>>     http://people.freebsd.org/~nox/linprocfs-6.3.patch
>>     http://people.freebsd.org/~nox/linprocfs-6.4.patch
>>
>> 2. Your portstree needs to be from at least Sun Oct 19 17:37:28 2008 UTC
>> (the last www/linux-flashplugin9 commit is:
>>     http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/cvs-ports/2008-October/158404.html 
>>
>> )
>>
>> 3. Make sure linprocfs is mounted to /compat/linux/proc .
>>
>> 4. Make sure www/nspluginwrapper, www/linux-flashplugin9 and 
>> dependencies
>> are installed and up to date(!).  (the default emulators/linux_base-fc4
>> should work, if you want to use a later one don't forget to set
>> compat.linux.osrelease=2.6.16 in sysctl.conf and 
>> OVERRIDE_LINUX_BASE_PORT
>> to whichever version you use in make.conf.  Note however that on 6, only
>> the default compat.linux.osrelease=2.4.2 really works.)
>>
>> 5. If the plugin doesnt show up in firefox' about:plugins, run
>>     nspluginwrapper -i 
>> /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so
>> and restart firefox.
>>
>> 6. And remember there's a security advisory for the current version of
>> flash9,
>>     http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/portaudit/78f456fd-9c87-11dd-a55e-00163e000016.html 
>>
>> (if you use portaudit you need to `make -DDISABLE_VULNERABILITIES ...'
>> to be able to install the port), and fc4 seems to be eol'd too, so you
>> probably want to install something like the noscript firefox extension,
>>     https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/722
>> and only allow plugins (and scripts, tho thats a different problem) on
>> sites you trust...
>>
>>  And finally, if you still get crashes after following the above even
>> on pages that are reported to work now (like youtube) you probably want
>> to run `ktrace -di firefox...' and look at the output using linux_kdump
>> (thats the devel/linux_kdump port, you want to use a package), paying
>> specific attention to the lines above `PSIG SIGSEGV' (or whichever
>> signal you got), maybe there are still shlibs missing that the plugin
>> needs (NAMI ...something.so...), and if this is the case tell us about
>> it so the appropriate dependencies can be added to the relevant ports.
>> If you can't figure it out I guess it doesn't hurt to post the last
>> few 100 lines of the dump up to the relevant PSIG on -emulation...
>>
>>  You may also want to check linked shlibs like this:
>>     /compat/linux/bin/sh /compat/linux/usr/bin/ldd 
>> /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so
>> and
>>     /compat/linux/bin/sh /compat/linux/usr/bin/ldd 
>> /usr/local/lib/nspluginwrapper/i386/linux/npviewer.bin
>> (if you see `not found' in there you know something is wrong) - although
>> that doesn't show libs that may be dlopen()d at runtime.
>>
>>   
> Thanks for this.  I was able to get linux-flashplugin9 working in 
> native Firefox 3.0.3 on FreeBSD 7-STABLE i386.  The only additional 
> thing I had to do was copy 
> /usr/X11R6/lib/browser_plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so into 
> ~/.mozilla/plugins/ for Firefox to recognize the plugin.  After that 
> Youtube, google video, and google maps (incl. street view) work fine, 
> but slow.  A friend of mine with a very similar setup was not so lucky 
> and still has problems with flash9 locking up FF.
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
> To unsubscribe, send any mail to 
> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
>
So I've done some more testing of this with various linux_base-* 
installs.  Youtube and most things (google maps) work with sound just 
fine for a few seconds, but after trying to interact or letting them go 
for a few minute they begin to rapidly eat up main memory.  
npviewer.bin's usage will top out somewhere around 300-450MB before it 
core dumps: pid 77684 (npviewer.bin), uid 1042: exited on signal 11 
(core dumped).  This is on FreeBSD 7-STABLE i386 (as of Tue Oct 28) with 
native Firefox 3.0.3 still.

From mail at ozzmosis.com  Wed Nov  5 06:37:40 2008
From: mail at ozzmosis.com (andrew clarke)
Date: Wed Nov  5 06:37:54 2008
Subject: gcc 3.4.4 -fno-gcse
In-Reply-To: <49119963.5070104@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk>
References: <49119963.5070104@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20081105143736.GA2880@ozzmosis.com>

On Wed 2008-11-05 13:02:27 UTC+0000, Robin Becker (robin@reportlab.com) wrote:

> I'm trying to do some benchmarks for a new/improved version of CPython 
> and would like to know if gcc 3.4.4 as distributed with FreeBSD 6.1 
> handles the -fno-gcse option reasonably. I looked in the man page, but 
> don't see that option explicitly so perhaps the main thrust of the 
> optimisation approach is going wrong.

I don't know about FreeBSD 6.1's gcc 3.4.4, but the info page for gcc
3.4.6 (supplied with FreeBSD 6.3) explicitly mentions -fno-gcse.  It's
under the section "3.10 Options That Control Optimization".

$ info gcc option

will also find it.

Not sure if that helps you at all.
From jhfoo-ml at extracktor.com  Wed Nov  5 06:43:34 2008
From: jhfoo-ml at extracktor.com (Foo JH)
Date: Wed Nov  5 06:43:41 2008
Subject: [mod_mono] how to install from freebsd?
Message-ID: <4911AADB.3060202@extracktor.com>

Hi guys,

I'm sorry if this isn't the best place to ask the question, but it's the
most active freebsd mailing list, so I hope to try my luck here.

I'm using 7.0, and I've installed mono and apache22 from the packages
(pkg_add -r xxx). Now I need to find mod_mono to complete the pieces.
Trouble is, I don't see it available from the ports tree.

Can any kind soul assist? Thanks.
From af300wsm at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 06:52:06 2008
From: af300wsm at gmail.com (af300wsm@gmail.com)
Date: Wed Nov  5 06:52:13 2008
Subject: How to upgrade to KDE4
Message-ID: <0016e64bddfee7b2b6045af25294@google.com>

Hi,

I'm using FreeBSD 6.2-p11 (yes, I've got to update). A couple days ago I  
updated my ports tree and went to update kde 3.5.6. At first I did a  
portupgrade on the KDE meta-port but, ironically, the only thing that  
updated was the meta-port (I did a portupgrade -r too). I should also say  
that I first looked in /usr/ports/UPDATING and there weren't any particular  
instructions (that I could find) for updating KDE. I opened the file in vim  
and searched for "kde" and "KDE." On both searches, nothing regarding the  
specific update of 3.5.x to 4.x was mentioned.

I'm having some problems updating the kdebase package now (since the  
meta-port didn't update the whole thing, I'm updating individually to  
3.5.10). It's having some compile time issues, something about an  
identifier not existing in a particular namespace or some-such error, I've  
got to look into it further. However, since I'm going through this  
loathsome process anyway, would it be advisable to just do a "deinstall" of  
the kde system and cd to /usr/ports/x11/kde (I think that's where it is)  
and install 4.x (if that's even how to do it)? I would really prefer to run  
4.x.

Thanks for any help,
Andy
From popof.fpn at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 06:56:16 2008
From: popof.fpn at gmail.com (Popof Popof)
Date: Wed Nov  5 06:56:22 2008
Subject: Unable to mount / in read - write mode
In-Reply-To: <200811051511.48613.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net>
References: <9196e72b0811041057m7d33e3fap9a15246def6eb3a2@mail.gmail.com>
	<44skq69vwf.fsf@lowell-desk.lan>
	<9196e72b0811050550l57360e0fj7e66bf75ce3dda9f@mail.gmail.com>
	<200811051511.48613.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net>
Message-ID: <9196e72b0811050656l345793b9j4ca4b3e7cb0ed3ec@mail.gmail.com>

My laptop has a bootable NIC but I would like to avoid a network
installation.
I think that I forget to make the installkernel step.
I can say that I'm using kernel 6.0 thanks to the output at the start of
boot process.

I have another old box with a FreeBSD 6.0 kernel so I'll try tonight to get
the mount command from it to an usb key and try to use it with my laptop.
I'll also try to provide dmesg if I can use this usb key in write mode.

2008/11/5 Mel <fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net>

> On Wednesday 05 November 2008 14:50:05 Popof Popof wrote:
> > I can't install FreeBSD 7 from scratch because this is a laptop and the
> CD
> > drive is dead.
>
> Is it possible you installed the base system (make installworld), without
> having installed the kernel (make installkernel)?
> If that's the case, without an external drive or backups, your options to
> get
> a working system again are very very slim.
> The only two things I can think of that would work, is an usb memory card
> with
> the 6.x mount command on it, that you'd run to remount / rw and take it
> from
> there. Or a bootable memory card with 7.x kernel.
>
> However, it would help a lot if you could give a bit more information:
> - how does the kernel identify your disk (drive letters and numbers)?
> - Can you capture anything like a verbose boot or dmesg?
> - Output of `mount -a -d -v' command
> - How you determined your upgrade went wrong and you "run 6.x".
>
> --
> Mel
>
> Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules
>    and never get to the software part.
>
From fbsd1 at a1poweruser.com  Wed Nov  5 06:37:31 2008
From: fbsd1 at a1poweruser.com (FBSD1)
Date: Wed Nov  5 06:58:18 2008
Subject: irc & usenet clients for xfce
Message-ID: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBGEJACMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>

What irc, pop mail, and usenet clients from gmone or kde or x would you
recommend to use on xfce?

From alive at dienub.org  Wed Nov  5 07:22:02 2008
From: alive at dienub.org (Rada alive)
Date: Wed Nov  5 07:22:09 2008
Subject: irc & usenet clients for xfce
In-Reply-To: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBGEJACMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>
References: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBGEJACMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>
Message-ID: <f81dfec40811050722n6f7a4736q6adb6b74e7027282@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 3:38 PM, FBSD1 <fbsd1@a1poweruser.com> wrote:

> What irc, pop mail, and usenet clients from gmone or kde or x would you
> recommend to use on xfce?
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
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I suggest irssi or Xchat for IRC, mutt or Thunderbird for mail (The latter
for usenet also, idk if mutt supports usenet).
irssi and mutt if you like CLI, Xchat and Thunderbird if you like GUI's.

But best of all to use is whatever _you_ would recommend somebody to use.
From sonic2000gr at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 07:24:09 2008
From: sonic2000gr at gmail.com (Manolis Kiagias)
Date: Wed Nov  5 07:24:16 2008
Subject: How to upgrade to KDE4
In-Reply-To: <0016e64bddfee7b2b6045af25294@google.com>
References: <0016e64bddfee7b2b6045af25294@google.com>
Message-ID: <4911BA91.90406@gmail.com>

af300wsm@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm using FreeBSD 6.2-p11 (yes, I've got to update). A couple days ago 
> I updated my ports tree and went to update kde 3.5.6. At first I did a 
> portupgrade on the KDE meta-port but, ironically, the only thing that 
> updated was the meta-port (I did a portupgrade -r too). I should also 
> say that I first looked in /usr/ports/UPDATING and there weren't any 
> particular instructions (that I could find) for updating KDE. I opened 
> the file in vim and searched for "kde" and "KDE." On both searches, 
> nothing regarding the specific update of 3.5.x to 4.x was mentioned.
>
> I'm having some problems updating the kdebase package now (since the 
> meta-port didn't update the whole thing, I'm updating individually to 
> 3.5.10). It's having some compile time issues, something about an 
> identifier not existing in a particular namespace or some-such error, 
> I've got to look into it further. However, since I'm going through 
> this loathsome process anyway, would it be advisable to just do a 
> "deinstall" of the kde system and cd to /usr/ports/x11/kde (I think 
> that's where it is) and install 4.x (if that's even how to do it)? I 
> would really prefer to run 4.x.
>
> Thanks for any help,
> Andy

The Handbook has been recently updated with instructions on installing / 
running KDE4:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11-wm.html

It is also possible to keep both versions installed (since KDE4 installs 
in a different directory).
If you decide to go along this path, I would advise you to set your PATH 
so that /usr/local/kde4/bin is before /usr/local/bin (when running 
KDE4). This will prevent inadvertently running kde3.x executables in 4.x.

There has been some discussion on the list concerning the usability of 
KDE4. FWIW, it worked for me but I am not a KDE person anyway (and have 
only used 3.X a couple of times) and don't need most of the features of 
such a desktop. YMMV.
From glavoie at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 07:29:41 2008
From: glavoie at gmail.com (Gabriel Lavoie)
Date: Wed Nov  5 07:29:49 2008
Subject: BSDstats: New High Water Mark: 25 000+ Hosts Reporting In
In-Reply-To: <d05df8620811050506v2eb94766n820f64d15e21cc30@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6325A1EC2612A377A50F6576@ganymede.hub.org>
	<d05df8620811050506v2eb94766n820f64d15e21cc30@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d05df8620811050729o3a8f8541if68f88d88810e0d9@mail.gmail.com>

Good, my system finally appeared.

Gabriel

2008/11/5 Gabriel Lavoie <glavoie@gmail.com>

> That's strange, because I enabled the reporting on my system but its CPU
> that wasn't on the list didn't appear.
>
>
> Gabriel
>
> 2008/11/4 Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org>
>
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>>
>>
>> - --On Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:25:39 -0500 Gabriel Lavoie
>> <glavoie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > When are the stats updated on bsdstats.org?
>>
>> real-time ... and they aren't "for all time", the #s are based on systems
>> reporting in over the past 60 days, so you will periodically see a bit of
>> back
>> tracking, depending on when in the cycle hosts reported in ... if I reload
>> the
>> page a few times, I may see it go from 25 013 -> 25 103 -> 25 143 -> 25
>> 140 ...
>> but the overall is an upward increase in numbers ...
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Gabriel
>> >
>> > 2008/11/4 Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org>
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 5 Nov 2008, andrew clarke wrote:
>> >>
>> >>  On Mon 2008-11-03 18:33:57 UTC-0400, Marc G. Fournier (
>> scrappy@hub.org)
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>  For FreeBSD users, you just need to install
>> /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats
>> >>>> to set things up.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I stopped using bsdstats after it caused my FreeBSD router to take too
>> >>> long to boot up after a reboot.  If I recall correctly, I had
>> >>> bsdstats_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf and after the reboot bsdstats
>> >>> was called before ppp was able to start, so it couldn't connect to the
>> >>> bsdstats server.  On the other hand this was a while ago and I am
>> >>> going by memory, so I may be wrong about what happened or it was just
>> >>> a coincidence.  At the time I was more interested in getting the
>> >>> router running so I didn't really care for debugging what was going
>> >>> on.  I realise this is a bit of a vague bug report, so feel free to
>> >>> ignore it.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> There is an optional flag for 'reporting on reboot' ... the original
>> script
>> >> only did reporting monthly, out of periodic, but some ppl (ie. using
>> >> laptops) suggesting an optional flag so that when they rebooted, they
>> would
>> >> be counted also ...
>> >>
>> >> And you are correct, just change:
>> >>
>> >> bsdstats_enable="YES"
>> >>
>> >> to
>> >>
>> >> bsdstats_enable="NO"
>> >>
>> >> And 'on reboot' will eb disabled, and only periodic will be used ... at
>> a
>> >> minimum, you just need:
>> >>
>> >> monthly_statistics_enable="YES"
>> >>
>> >> in /etc/periodic.conf, wich will only report OS/version and skip the
>> >> devices/ports reports ...
>> >>
>> >> ----
>> >> Marc G. Fournier           Hub.Org Networking Services (
>> http://www.hub.org
>> >> )
>> >> Email . scrappy@hub.org                              MSN .
>> scrappy@hub.org
>> >> Yahoo . yscrappy               Skype: hub.org        ICQ . 7615664
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
>> >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
>> >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "
>> >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Gabriel Lavoie
>> > glavoie@gmail.com
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
>> > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
>> > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "
>> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
>>
>>
>>
>> - --
>> Marc G. Fournier        Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. (
>> http://www.hub.org)
>> Email . scrappy@hub.org                              MSN .
>> scrappy@hub.org
>> Yahoo . yscrappy               Skype: hub.org        ICQ . 7615664
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>>
>> iEYEARECAAYFAkkRHfcACgkQ4QvfyHIvDvMP1gCfWcuWqCGNWSR5HuGSO4vgRwLb
>> Y0EAn3+Pi3/1+eM/mxmKFrF7AFTMQBbv
>> =yRDb
>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Gabriel Lavoie
> glavoie@gmail.com
>



-- 
Gabriel Lavoie
glavoie@gmail.com
From jmrueda at diatel.upm.es  Wed Nov  5 07:34:48 2008
From: jmrueda at diatel.upm.es (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Javier_Mart=EDn_Rueda?=)
Date: Wed Nov  5 07:34:56 2008
Subject: [mod_mono] how to install from freebsd?
In-Reply-To: <4911AADB.3060202@extracktor.com>
References: <4911AADB.3060202@extracktor.com>
Message-ID: <4911B859.6080304@diatel.upm.es>

Foo JH wrote:
> I'm using 7.0, and I've installed mono and apache22 from the packages
> (pkg_add -r xxx). Now I need to find mod_mono to complete the pieces.
> Trouble is, I don't see it available from the ports tree.
>
>   
I have these notes from some mod_mono installation I did some time ago. 
I hope they are still valid:

I installed mono from the ports. It was just a standard install, so 
installing from packages should be the same.

XSP
===

* fetch http://go-mono.com/sources/xsp/xsp-1.2.3.tar.gz
* configure && gmake && gmake install
* Test: mono /usr/local/lib/mono/2.0/xsp2.exe. Open http://myserver:8080 
(it will say it cannot find /)
* Test 2: copy a web application and open it. It should work.

MOD_MONO
========

* fetch http://go-mono.com/sources/mod_mono/mod_mono-1.2.1.tar.gz
* configure && gmake && gmake install
* mv /usr/local/etc/apache22/mod_mono.conf /usr/local/etc/apache22/Includes
* Edit mod_mono.conf and add this:

   MonoServerPath /usr/local/bin/mod-mono-server2
   MonoPath /usr/local/lib/mono/2.0

* Install test application in /somewhere/website and create 
/usr/local/etc/apache22/Includes/prueba.conf:

   Alias /prueba "/somewhere/website"
   MonoApplications "/prueba:/somewhere/website"

   <Directory /somewhere/website>
     Allow from all
   </Directory>


Open http://myserver/prueba and it should work.

From tijl at ulyssis.org  Wed Nov  5 07:35:55 2008
From: tijl at ulyssis.org (Tijl Coosemans)
Date: Wed Nov  5 07:36:03 2008
Subject: flash9 checklist
In-Reply-To: <4911AF29.6070707@comcast.net>
References: <200810280859.24048@aldan> <49086F1A.2090500@comcast.net>
	<4911AF29.6070707@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <200811051606.29361.tijl@ulyssis.org>

On Wednesday 05 November 2008 15:35:21 Steve Polyack wrote:
> So I've done some more testing of this with various linux_base-* 
> installs.  Youtube and most things (google maps) work with sound just 
> fine for a few seconds, but after trying to interact or letting them go 
> for a few minute they begin to rapidly eat up main memory.  
> npviewer.bin's usage will top out somewhere around 300-450MB before it 
> core dumps: pid 77684 (npviewer.bin), uid 1042: exited on signal 11 
> (core dumped).  This is on FreeBSD 7-STABLE i386 (as of Tue Oct 28) with 
> native Firefox 3.0.3 still.

Do you have this with linux-firefox?
From af300wsm at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 07:39:42 2008
From: af300wsm at gmail.com (af300wsm@gmail.com)
Date: Wed Nov  5 07:39:50 2008
Subject: How to upgrade to KDE4
Message-ID: <0016e64bddfe2035d0045af2fd17@google.com>

On Nov 5, 2008 8:24am, Manolis Kiagias <sonic2000gr@gmail.com> wrote:
> af300wsm@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I'm using FreeBSD 6.2-p11 (yes, I've got to update). A couple days ago I  
updated my ports tree and went to update kde 3.5.6. At first I did a  
portupgrade on the KDE meta-port but, ironically, the only thing that  
updated was the meta-port (I did a portupgrade -r too). I should also say  
that I first looked in /usr/ports/UPDATING and there weren't any particular  
instructions (that I could find) for updating KDE. I opened the file in vim  
and searched for "kde" and "KDE." On both searches, nothing regarding the  
specific update of 3.5.x to 4.x was mentioned.
>
>
>
> I'm having some problems updating the kdebase package now (since the  
meta-port didn't update the whole thing, I'm updating individually to  
3.5.10). It's having some compile time issues, something about an  
identifier not existing in a particular namespace or some-such error, I've  
got to look into it further. However, since I'm going through this  
loathsome process anyway, would it be advisable to just do a "deinstall" of  
the kde system and cd to /usr/ports/x11/kde (I think that's where it is)  
and install 4.x (if that's even how to do it)? I would really prefer to run  
4.x.
>
>
>
> Thanks for any help,
>
> Andy
>
>
>
>
> The Handbook has been recently updated with instructions on installing /  
running KDE4:
>
>
>
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11-wm.html
>
>
>
> It is also possible to keep both versions installed (since KDE4 installs  
in a different directory).
>
> If you decide to go along this path, I would advise you to set your PATH  
so that /usr/local/kde4/bin is before /usr/local/bin (when running KDE4).  
This will prevent inadvertently running kde3.x executables in 4.x.
>
>
>
> There has been some discussion on the list concerning the usability of  
KDE4. FWIW, it worked for me but I am not a KDE person anyway (and have  
only used 3.X a couple of times) and don't need most of the features of  
such a desktop. YMMV.
>

That is fantastic, thanks.

Andy
From kuku at kukulies.org  Wed Nov  5 08:06:21 2008
From: kuku at kukulies.org (Christoph Kukulies)
Date: Wed Nov  5 08:06:36 2008
Subject: 7.1-BETA2 installation on ASUS P4S8X fails BIG MEDIUM ERROR
In-Reply-To: <49109409.8030601@kukulies.org>
References: <49106440.4010906@kukulies.org>	<1225813899.2734.1.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be>	<491090CE.1090900@hdk5.net>
	<49109409.8030601@kukulies.org>
Message-ID: <4911C46A.7020401@kukulies.org>

Christoph Kukulies schrieb:
> Hi Al,
>
> thanks for pointing me to safe mode install. That I will probably try 
> tomorrow.
> The day ended up in havoc: I tried to boot a floppy to do an ASUS BIOS 
> upgrade and somehow messed with the power cable.
> A big flash occurred originating from the power supply. I opened the 
> power supply, found a blown fuse, ran to the electronics store, bought 
> a new fuse (+ one in reserve), inserted the fuse, tried the power 
> supply, with connections off and a firework, prematurely - your 
> presidential elections aren't finished yet - , developed in front of 
> my face. Will continue tomorrow, when America has a new president.
>

Back at the problem: I chose 3. safe mode to no avail. Still get this

acd0: FAILURE - READ BIG MEDIUM ERROR asc=0x11 ascq=0x00 
run_interrupt_driven_hooks: still waiting after 60 seconds for xpt_config

I even changed the CDROM drive to a very old slow one. I changes IDE 
busses (first vs. second IDE) to no avail.
I'm now gonna burn another medium. No luck yet installing 7.1 BETA2. I'm 
also a long time FreeBSD user btw,
from times where it was called "386bsd" :-)

--
Christoph
>
> -- 
> Christoph
>
> Al Plant schrieb:
>> Julien Cigar wrote:
>>> I've this problem too on almost all my machines. The only solution I've
>>> found is to disable DMA (atapi_dma), but then performances are very 
>>> poor
>>> (and I'm still unable to burn a CD/DVD)
>>>
>>> On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 16:03 +0100, Christoph Kukulies wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> don't know whether it's the CDROM drive (a Creative 52x mx) or the 
>>>> motherboard (ASUS P4S8X) or what.
>>>> Anyway, I tried to install a recent version of FreeBSD (7.1-BETA2) 
>>>> and the installation
>>>> hangs right in the boot process of the installation CD disc1.
>>>>
>>>> I see
>>>>
>>>> acd0: FAILURE - READ BIG MEDIUM ERROR asc=0x11 ascq=0x00
>>>> run_interrupt_driven_hooks: still waiting after 60 seconds for 
>>>> xpt_config
>>>> run_interrupt_driven_hooks: still waiting after 120 seconds for 
>>>> xpt_config
>>>> run_interrupt_driven_hooks: still waiting after 180 seconds for 
>>>> xpt_config
>>>>
>>>> and so on.
>>>>
>>>> Any clues?
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Christoph Kukulies
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
>>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
>>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to 
>>>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
>> ############
>>
>> Aloha,
>>
>> I have had similiar happen on 7 and 8 Freebsd installs recently.
>>
>> If you install using safe mode it will work. Then in /boot/loader.conf
>>
>> #boot/loader.conf
>> hw.ata.ata-dma=0
>> hw.ata.atapi_dma=0
>>
>> This makes the HD and CD to  work for me after the install.
>>
>> The error that comes up when you burn a CD seems to be bogus as I 
>> have used the CD's with out error for installing on other boxes.
>>
From frankstaals at gmx.net  Wed Nov  5 08:12:23 2008
From: frankstaals at gmx.net (Frank Staals)
Date: Wed Nov  5 08:12:30 2008
Subject: irc & usenet clients for xfce
In-Reply-To: <f81dfec40811050722n6f7a4736q6adb6b74e7027282@mail.gmail.com>
References: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBGEJACMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>
	<f81dfec40811050722n6f7a4736q6adb6b74e7027282@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4911C113.4090506@gmx.net>

Rada alive wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 3:38 PM, FBSD1 <fbsd1@a1poweruser.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> What irc, pop mail, and usenet clients from gmone or kde or x would you
>> recommend to use on xfce?
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "
>> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
>>     
>
>
> I suggest irssi or Xchat for IRC, mutt or Thunderbird for mail (The latter
> for usenet also, idk if mutt supports usenet).
> irssi and mutt if you like CLI, Xchat and Thunderbird if you like GUI's.
>   
I have been using irssi (+bitlbee) for my IRC/IM needs for ages now, 
works like a charm for me. And thunderbird has been my mail client ever 
since 0.2. so I'd agree they are nice choises. I haven't used 
thunderbird for usenet stuff though; I only used usenet for downloading 
purposes. Used pan as a desktop-solution. Worked fine in my opinion. For 
a more server-like solution you may want to take a look at SabNZBd.
> But best of all to use is whatever _you_ would recommend somebody to use.
> _______________________________________________
>
>   
Yep, feel free to try out some stuff but choose whatever *you* think 
works nice

Good luck,

-- 

- Frank

From kuku at kukulies.org  Wed Nov  5 08:27:08 2008
From: kuku at kukulies.org (Christoph Kukulies)
Date: Wed Nov  5 08:27:16 2008
Subject: 7.1-BETA2 installation on ASUS P4S8X fails BIG MEDIUM ERROR
In-Reply-To: <4911C46A.7020401@kukulies.org>
References: <49106440.4010906@kukulies.org>	<1225813899.2734.1.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be>	<491090CE.1090900@hdk5.net>	<49109409.8030601@kukulies.org>
	<4911C46A.7020401@kukulies.org>
Message-ID: <4911C93E.4090803@kukulies.org>

Christoph Kukulies schrieb:
> Christoph Kukulies schrieb:
>> Hi Al,
>>
>> thanks for pointing me to safe mode install. That I will probably try 
>> tomorrow.
>> The day ended up in havoc: I tried to boot a floppy to do an ASUS 
>> BIOS upgrade and somehow messed with the power cable.
>> A big flash occurred originating from the power supply. I opened the 
>> power supply, found a blown fuse, ran to the electronics store, 
>> bought a new fuse (+ one in reserve), inserted the fuse, tried the 
>> power supply, with connections off and a firework, prematurely - your 
>> presidential elections aren't finished yet - , developed in front of 
>> my face. Will continue tomorrow, when America has a new president.
>>
>
> Back at the problem: I chose 3. safe mode to no avail. Still get this
>
> acd0: FAILURE - READ BIG MEDIUM ERROR asc=0x11 ascq=0x00
I now tried with a 7.0 BETA  Boot CD (which I had laying around from 
possibly another fruitless attempt in the past to
update that system from 5.1 or something to 7.x). Same picture. Hangs on 
this

acd0: FAILURE - READ BIG MEDIUM ERROR asc=0x21 ascq=0x00

(asc=0x21 at this time FWIW).

Please help me in getting FreeBSD onto this machine iin whatever way.

--
Christoph
From korvus at comcast.net  Wed Nov  5 08:42:17 2008
From: korvus at comcast.net (Steve Polyack)
Date: Wed Nov  5 08:42:24 2008
Subject: flash9 checklist
In-Reply-To: <200811051606.29361.tijl@ulyssis.org>
References: <200810280859.24048@aldan> <49086F1A.2090500@comcast.net>
	<4911AF29.6070707@comcast.net>
	<200811051606.29361.tijl@ulyssis.org>
Message-ID: <4911C914.1010705@comcast.net>

Tijl Coosemans wrote:
> On Wednesday 05 November 2008 15:35:21 Steve Polyack wrote:
>   
>> So I've done some more testing of this with various linux_base-* 
>> installs.  Youtube and most things (google maps) work with sound just 
>> fine for a few seconds, but after trying to interact or letting them go 
>> for a few minute they begin to rapidly eat up main memory.  
>> npviewer.bin's usage will top out somewhere around 300-450MB before it 
>> core dumps: pid 77684 (npviewer.bin), uid 1042: exited on signal 11 
>> (core dumped).  This is on FreeBSD 7-STABLE i386 (as of Tue Oct 28) with 
>> native Firefox 3.0.3 still.
>>     
>
> Do you have this with linux-firefox?
>
>   
Yes, I have the same behavior when using linux-firefox 2.0.17 from ports.
From koitsu at FreeBSD.org  Wed Nov  5 08:51:50 2008
From: koitsu at FreeBSD.org (Jeremy Chadwick)
Date: Wed Nov  5 08:51:56 2008
Subject: 7.1-BETA2 installation on ASUS P4S8X fails BIG MEDIUM ERROR
In-Reply-To: <4911C93E.4090803@kukulies.org>
References: <49106440.4010906@kukulies.org>
	<1225813899.2734.1.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be>
	<491090CE.1090900@hdk5.net> <49109409.8030601@kukulies.org>
	<4911C46A.7020401@kukulies.org> <4911C93E.4090803@kukulies.org>
Message-ID: <20081105165148.GA15560@icarus.home.lan>

On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 05:26:38PM +0100, Christoph Kukulies wrote:
> Christoph Kukulies schrieb:
>> Christoph Kukulies schrieb:
>>> Hi Al,
>>>
>>> thanks for pointing me to safe mode install. That I will probably try 
>>> tomorrow.
>>> The day ended up in havoc: I tried to boot a floppy to do an ASUS  
>>> BIOS upgrade and somehow messed with the power cable.
>>> A big flash occurred originating from the power supply. I opened the  
>>> power supply, found a blown fuse, ran to the electronics store,  
>>> bought a new fuse (+ one in reserve), inserted the fuse, tried the  
>>> power supply, with connections off and a firework, prematurely - your 
>>> presidential elections aren't finished yet - , developed in front of  
>>> my face. Will continue tomorrow, when America has a new president.
>>>
>>
>> Back at the problem: I chose 3. safe mode to no avail. Still get this
>>
>> acd0: FAILURE - READ BIG MEDIUM ERROR asc=0x11 ascq=0x00
> I now tried with a 7.0 BETA  Boot CD (which I had laying around from  
> possibly another fruitless attempt in the past to
> update that system from 5.1 or something to 7.x). Same picture. Hangs on  
> this
>
> acd0: FAILURE - READ BIG MEDIUM ERROR asc=0x21 ascq=0x00
> (asc=0x21 at this time FWIW).

This won't help you get FreeBSD installed any quicker, but it will give
you some insight to what the error messages mean.

ATAPI essentially uses SCSI commands but over an ATA bus, which is why
atapicam(4) exists (which is what's giving you the xpt_* errors).  The
problem is that not all drives are created equal, so some behave
differently to certain commands than others.

ASC and ASCQ are, in layman's terms, "error codes" with added degrees of
granularity.  ASC = Additional Sense Code, ASCQ = Additional Sense Code
Qualifier.  These are fairly well-documented all over the web, and per
T10 specifications.  Looking at a chart, specifically noting errors that
are for CD (MMC) devices, we find:

ASC 0x11, ASCQ 0x00 == Unrecovered Read Error
ASC 0x21, ASCQ 0x00 == Logical Block Address (LBA) Out of Range

Your first reaction will be "So does this mean I have a bad CD?", and
the answer is "not necessarily".  It could be that the drive does not
support the commands FreeBSD expects available to read a CD in this
particular fashion.  But it could also be a badly burned CD, or a
CD burned with buggy software.

If at all possible, try another CD drive of some kind.  Get one from a
friend, borrow one, or buy one.  People have had good experiences with
Plextor and Pioneer drives, while recent Samsung drives have been
hit-or-miss.

-- 
| Jeremy Chadwick                                jdc at parodius.com |
| Parodius Networking                       http://www.parodius.com/ |
| UNIX Systems Administrator                  Mountain View, CA, USA |
| Making life hard for others since 1977.              PGP: 4BD6C0CB |

From phocking at fsklaw.com  Wed Nov  5 09:13:03 2008
From: phocking at fsklaw.com (Phillip Hocking)
Date: Wed Nov  5 09:13:10 2008
Subject: Kernel Panic on 7.0-REL
Message-ID: <4911CCCB.7030908@fsklaw.com>

Hello all, I keep getting a kernel panic every Saturday night, so I 
figured I would go through the core dump.

# uname -a
FreeBSD xx.fsklaw.com 7.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE #1: Wed Apr 23 
08:01:10 PDT 2008     xx@xx.fsklaw.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/TEST  amd64



# kgdb kernel.symbols /var/crash/vmcore.2
[GDB will not be able to debug user-mode threads: 
/usr/lib/libthread_db.so: Undefined symbol "ps_pglobal_lookup"]
GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD]
Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you 
are
welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain 
conditions.
Type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB.  Type "show warranty" for details.
This GDB was configured as "amd64-marcel-freebsd".

Unread portion of the kernel message buffer:


Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode
cpuid = 1; apic id = 01
fault virtual address    = 0x250
fault code        = supervisor read data, page not present
instruction pointer    = 0x8:0xffffffff80482a5d
stack pointer            = 0x10:0xffffffffb184b570
frame pointer            = 0x10:0xffffff003f9cf6a0
code segment        = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b
           = DPL 0, pres 1, long 1, def32 0, gran 1
processor eflags    = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0
current process        = 37920 (bsdtar)
trap number        = 12
panic: page fault
cpuid = 1
Uptime: 7d2h23m33s
Physical memory: 2034 MB
Dumping 415 MB: 400 384 368 352 336 320 304 288 272 256 240 224 208 192 
176 160 144 128 112 96 80 64 48 32 16

#0  doadump () at pcpu.h:194
194        __asm __volatile("movq %%gs:0,%0" : "=r" (td));
(kgdb) where
#0  doadump () at pcpu.h:194
#1  0x0000000000000004 in ?? ()
#2  0xffffffff8048e0d9 in boot (howto=260) at 
/usr/src/sys/kern/kern_shutdown.c:409
#3  0xffffffff8048e4dd in panic (fmt=0x104 <Address 0x104 out of 
bounds>) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_shutdown.c:563
#4  0xffffffff80786f44 in trap_fatal (frame=0xffffff003f9cf6a0, 
eva=18446742975518566608) at /usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/trap.c:724
#5  0xffffffff80787315 in trap_pfault (frame=0xffffffffb184b4c0, 
usermode=0) at /usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/trap.c:641
#6  0xffffffff80787c58 in trap (frame=0xffffffffb184b4c0) at 
/usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/trap.c:410
#7  0xffffffff8076d88e in calltrap () at 
/usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/exception.S:169
#8  0xffffffff80482a5d in _mtx_lock_sleep (m=0xffffff009662c410, 
tid=18446742975265175200, opts=Variable "opts" is not available.
) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_mutex.c:335
#9  0xffffffff804f5978 in vfs_vmio_release (bp=0xffffffff9a329220) at 
/usr/src/sys/kern/vfs_bio.c:1530
#10 0xffffffff804f77f4 in getnewbuf (slpflag=0, slptimeo=0, 
size=Variable "size" is not available.
) at /usr/src/sys/kern/vfs_bio.c:1847
#11 0xffffffff804f8801 in getblk (vp=0xffffff000b71c5d0, blkno=294994, 
size=16384, slpflag=0, slptimeo=0, flags=Variable "flags" is not available.
) at /usr/src/sys/kern/vfs_bio.c:2602
#12 0xffffffff806a3d5b in ffs_balloc_ufs2 (vp=0xffffff000b71c5d0, 
startoffset=Variable "startoffset" is not available.
) at /usr/src/sys/ufs/ffs/ffs_balloc.c:844
#13 0xffffffff806bf6e5 in ffs_write (ap=0xffffffffb184ba10) at 
/usr/src/sys/ufs/ffs/ffs_vnops.c:720
#14 0xffffffff807e04e5 in VOP_WRITE_APV (vop=0xffffffff80a6b0e0, 
a=0xffffffffb184ba10) at vnode_if.c:691
#15 0xffffffff8051ae41 in vn_write (fp=0xffffff00284771e0, 
uio=0xffffffffb184bb00, active_cred=Variable "active_cred" is not 
available.
) at vnode_if.h:373
#16 0xffffffff804c6468 in dofilewrite (td=0xffffff003f9cf6a0, fd=3, 
fp=0xffffff00284771e0, auio=0xffffffffb184bb00, offset=Variable "offset" 
is not available.
) at file.h:254
#17 0xffffffff804c676e in kern_writev (td=0xffffff003f9cf6a0, fd=3, 
auio=0xffffffffb184bb00) at /usr/src/sys/kern/sys_generic.c:401
#18 0xffffffff804c67ec in write (td=0xffffff009662c410, 
uap=0xffffff003f9cf6a0) at /usr/src/sys/kern/sys_generic.c:317
#19 0xffffffff80787597 in syscall (frame=0xffffffffb184bc70) at 
/usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/trap.c:852
#20 0xffffffff8076da9b in Xfast_syscall () at 
/usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/exception.S:290
#21 0x0000000800a66d3c in ?? ()
Previous frame inner to this frame (corrupt stack?)
(kgdb) up 8
#8  0xffffffff80482a5d in _mtx_lock_sleep (m=0xffffff009662c410, 
tid=18446742975265175200, opts=Variable "opts" is not available.
) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_mutex.c:335
335                owner = (struct thread *)(v & ~MTX_FLAGMASK);
(kgdb) p owner
$1 = (volatile struct thread *) 0xfffffffffffffff8
(kgdb) p v
$2 = 18446744073709551615


Note the uptime, this happens every Saturday for the last three weeks. I 
have a cronjob that tar/bzips a drive and scps it to another box, but 
that runs nightly at midnight on the cronjob, and this happens weekly 
but only on Saturday, same cronjob same data. I figured if it happened 
again, I would hit up the mailing list. Hopefully you all can suggest 
what to upgrade to or how to further troubleshoot this issue. Thanks a 
bundle y'all, love the beastie!
From tijl at ulyssis.org  Wed Nov  5 09:30:57 2008
From: tijl at ulyssis.org (Tijl Coosemans)
Date: Wed Nov  5 09:31:04 2008
Subject: flash9 checklist
In-Reply-To: <4911C914.1010705@comcast.net>
References: <200810280859.24048@aldan> <200811051606.29361.tijl@ulyssis.org>
	<4911C914.1010705@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <200811051828.23041.tijl@ulyssis.org>

On Wednesday 05 November 2008 17:25:56 Steve Polyack wrote:
> Tijl Coosemans wrote:
>> On Wednesday 05 November 2008 15:35:21 Steve Polyack wrote:
>>> So I've done some more testing of this with various linux_base-*
>>> installs.  Youtube and most things (google maps) work with sound just
>>> fine for a few seconds, but after trying to interact or letting them go
>>> for a few minute they begin to rapidly eat up main memory.
>>> npviewer.bin's usage will top out somewhere around 300-450MB before it
>>> core dumps: pid 77684 (npviewer.bin), uid 1042: exited on signal 11
>>> (core dumped).  This is on FreeBSD 7-STABLE i386 (as of Tue Oct 28) with
>>> native Firefox 3.0.3 still.
>> 
>> Do you have this with linux-firefox?
> 
> Yes, I have the same behavior when using linux-firefox 2.0.17 from ports.

Ok, so it's not a problem with npviewer.bin then.

It's possible that when it's eating memory it's already coredumping.
I've noticed that coredumps are generally a LOT bigger with 2.6.16
emulation compared to 2.4.2.
From kline at thought.org  Wed Nov  5 11:45:18 2008
From: kline at thought.org (Gary Kline)
Date: Wed Nov  5 11:45:24 2008
Subject: console locked again:: load over 2.00
Message-ID: <20081105194506.GA18676@thought.org>


Hey guys,

Any ideas *why* my load is so high when my desktop wasn't touched for 9, 10 hours?
I was running mostly KDE3 konsoles, and had a few other processes going, the
apps iconisized.  The server is still running; I've killed everything I can think of
to reduce the load.  It may be that the screen won't come back if the load is >
1.00.  I'm upgrading my kernel to see if *that* has any effect.  O/wise, I'm out of
ideas.

Anybody??

gary



-- 
 Gary Kline  kline@thought.org  http://www.thought.org  Public Service Unix
        http://jottings.thought.org   http://transfinite.thought.org


From wmoran at potentialtech.com  Wed Nov  5 11:52:39 2008
From: wmoran at potentialtech.com (Bill Moran)
Date: Wed Nov  5 11:52:46 2008
Subject: console locked again:: load over 2.00
In-Reply-To: <20081105194506.GA18676@thought.org>
References: <20081105194506.GA18676@thought.org>
Message-ID: <20081105145236.dcce93dd.wmoran@potentialtech.com>

In response to Gary Kline <kline@thought.org>:
> 
> Any ideas *why* my load is so high when my desktop wasn't touched for 9, 10 hours?
> I was running mostly KDE3 konsoles, and had a few other processes going, the
> apps iconisized.  The server is still running; I've killed everything I can think of
> to reduce the load.  It may be that the screen won't come back if the load is >
> 1.00.  I'm upgrading my kernel to see if *that* has any effect.  O/wise, I'm out of
> ideas.

Doesn't sound right at all.  I've seen my load avgs go much higher than
2 on my desktop and not had much difficulty logging in.

Generally, slow logins are a symptom of IO starvation, as an inability
to get to a disk page is more of a show stopper than contention for
CPU resources.  How much of your swap is in use?  What are the pagein/
pageout statistics during this?  Are you sure the disk isn't dying?

-- 
Bill Moran
http://www.potentialtech.com
From rsmith at xs4all.nl  Wed Nov  5 11:53:23 2008
From: rsmith at xs4all.nl (Roland Smith)
Date: Wed Nov  5 11:53:31 2008
Subject: console locked again:: load over 2.00
In-Reply-To: <20081105194506.GA18676@thought.org>
References: <20081105194506.GA18676@thought.org>
Message-ID: <20081105195320.GA35044@slackbox.xs4all.nl>

On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 11:45:10AM -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> Any ideas *why* my load is so high when my desktop wasn't touched for
> 9, 10 hours?  I was running mostly KDE3 konsoles, and had a few other
> processes going, the apps iconisized.  The server is still running;
> I've killed everything I can think of to reduce the load.  It may be
> that the screen won't come back if the load is > 1.00.  I'm upgrading
> my kernel to see if *that* has any effect.  O/wise, I'm out of ideas.

Try leaving 'top -SI' running in a console window. That should tell you what
the culprit is.

Roland
-- 
R.F.Smith                                   http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/
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From sgk at troutmask.apl.washington.edu  Wed Nov  5 12:27:59 2008
From: sgk at troutmask.apl.washington.edu (Steve Kargl)
Date: Wed Nov  5 12:28:06 2008
Subject: Method to mirror a single partition across the net.
Message-ID: <20081105202758.GA12666@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>

I've the Handbook's chapter on GEOM, gmirror(1), geom(8), ggated(8),
and ggatec(8), and I've search the web for a solution to the 
following issue.

I would like to mirror a single partition on system A to a 
a partition on system B.  It would appear a combination of
gmirror and ggated would work, but I haven't found any 
example on setting up two systems.

To be specific, /etc/fstab on the 2 systems is 

# Device                Mountpoint      FStype  Options         Dump    Pass#
/dev/ad4s1b             none            swap    sw              0       0
/dev/ad4s1a             /               ufs     rw              1       1
/dev/ad4s1e             /data           ufs     rw              2       2
/dev/ad4s1d             /usr            ufs     rw              2       2

I want to mirror 192.168.0.20:/dev/ad4s1e to 192.168.0.21:/dev/ad4s1e

Anyone have a pointer to a howto or tutorial on setting this up?

-- 
Steve
From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl  Wed Nov  5 13:01:37 2008
From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar)
Date: Wed Nov  5 13:01:44 2008
Subject: Method to mirror a single partition across the net.
In-Reply-To: <20081105202758.GA12666@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>
References: <20081105202758.GA12666@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>
Message-ID: <20081105220050.A20422@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>

> following issue.
>
> I would like to mirror a single partition on system A to a
> a partition on system B.  It would appear a combination of
> gmirror and ggated would work, but I haven't found any
> example on setting up two systems.
you are right.

just create device with ggatec and insert it to the mirror.

From kuku at kukulies.org  Wed Nov  5 13:11:33 2008
From: kuku at kukulies.org (kuku)
Date: Wed Nov  5 13:11:40 2008
Subject: 7.1-BETA2 installation on ASUS P4S8X fails BIG MEDIUM ERROR
In-Reply-To: <20081105165148.GA15560@icarus.home.lan>
References: <49106440.4010906@kukulies.org>	<1225813899.2734.1.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be>	<491090CE.1090900@hdk5.net>
	<49109409.8030601@kukulies.org>	<4911C46A.7020401@kukulies.org>
	<4911C93E.4090803@kukulies.org>
	<20081105165148.GA15560@icarus.home.lan>
Message-ID: <49120BE4.7010009@kukulies.org>

Jeremy Chadwick schrieb:
>
>>
>> acd0: FAILURE - READ BIG MEDIUM ERROR asc=0x21 ascq=0x00
>> (asc=0x21 at this time FWIW).
>>     
>
> This won't help you get FreeBSD installed any quicker, but it will give
> you some insight to what the error messages mean.
>
> ATAPI essentially uses SCSI commands but over an ATA bus, which is why
> atapicam(4) exists (which is what's giving you the xpt_* errors).  The
> problem is that not all drives are created equal, so some behave
> differently to certain commands than others.
>
> ASC and ASCQ are, in layman's terms, "error codes" with added degrees of
> granularity.  ASC = Additional Sense Code, ASCQ = Additional Sense Code
> Qualifier.  These are fairly well-documented all over the web, and per
> T10 specifications.  Looking at a chart, specifically noting errors that
> are for CD (MMC) devices, we find:
>
> ASC 0x11, ASCQ 0x00 == Unrecovered Read Error
> ASC 0x21, ASCQ 0x00 == Logical Block Address (LBA) Out of Range
>
> Your first reaction will be "So does this mean I have a bad CD?", and
> the answer is "not necessarily".  It could be that the drive does not
> support the commands FreeBSD expects available to read a CD in this
> particular fashion.  But it could also be a badly burned CD, or a
> CD burned with buggy software.
>
> If at all possible, try another CD drive of some kind.  Get one from a
> friend, borrow one, or buy one.  People have had good experiences with
> Plextor and Pioneer drives, while recent Samsung drives have been
> hit-or-miss.
>   

I'm now at home at a different burner but I probably don't have a 
different CD recording software other than cdrecord
available. that's Windows XP BTW, under which I burnt that CDs. I could 
prbably boot an older (4.x) FreeBSD
on that machine but that would be CD record, too. Medium is also a 80 
min 700 MB CD. Weren't they  650 MB in earlier times actually?
Earlier times I mean, when I still had my FreeBSD subscription and got 
each release in a neat CD set :-)

Oh well, I will give it another try and see how it works out.

Later

--
Christoph


From sgk at troutmask.apl.washington.edu  Wed Nov  5 13:36:11 2008
From: sgk at troutmask.apl.washington.edu (Steve Kargl)
Date: Wed Nov  5 13:36:17 2008
Subject: Method to mirror a single partition across the net.
In-Reply-To: <20081105220050.A20422@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
References: <20081105202758.GA12666@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>
	<20081105220050.A20422@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
Message-ID: <20081105213610.GA29688@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>

On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 10:01:24PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> >following issue.
> >
> >I would like to mirror a single partition on system A to a
> >a partition on system B.  It would appear a combination of
> >gmirror and ggated would work, but I haven't found any
> >example on setting up two systems.
> you are right.
> 
> just create device with ggatec and insert it to the mirror.

Thanks for the reply.  Perhaps, I'm missing an important detail,
but gmirror(8) seems to suggest that it operates on an entire
disk.  Note, in my original email I used the word partition
but showed a disk slice.  I really do mean a partition within
a slice.  Does the following work where I want to mirror only
192.168.0.20:/dev/ad4s1e to 192.168.0.21:/dev/ad4s1e?

On 192.168.0.21:

  # umount /dev/ad4s1e
  # echo "192.168.0.21/24 RW /dev/ad4s1e" > /etc/gg.exports
  # ggated

On 192.168.0.20:

  # ggatec create -o rw 192.168.0.21 /dev/ad4s1e
  # gmirror label  data /dev/ad4s1e
  # gmirror insert data /dev/ggate0

and /etc/fstab becomes

# Device                Mountpoint      FStype  Options         Dump    Pass#
/dev/ad4s1b             none            swap    sw              0       0
/dev/ad4s1a             /               ufs     rw              1       1
/dev/ad4s1d             /usr            ufs     rw              2       2
/dev/mirror/data        /data           ufs     rw              2       2


-- 
Steve
From fbsd06 at mlists.homeunix.com  Wed Nov  5 14:42:42 2008
From: fbsd06 at mlists.homeunix.com (RW)
Date: Wed Nov  5 14:42:49 2008
Subject: How to upgrade to KDE4
In-Reply-To: <0016e64bddfee7b2b6045af25294@google.com>
References: <0016e64bddfee7b2b6045af25294@google.com>
Message-ID: <20081105222606.76ca14f2@gumby.homeunix.com>

On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 06:52:06 -0800
af300wsm@gmail.com wrote:
the only
> thing that updated was the meta-port (I did a portupgrade -r too). 

Aside from the fact that there are separate kde meta-ports,
portupgrade -r kde... updates the metaport and everything that depends
on the metaport, not everything the metaport depends on.
From perrin at apotheon.com  Wed Nov  5 14:47:09 2008
From: perrin at apotheon.com (Chad Perrin)
Date: Wed Nov  5 14:47:16 2008
Subject: Java and FreeBSD
In-Reply-To: <410306.67693.qm@web56805.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <dab71e150811031026w5d6872f2gf46937e923ba5a62@mail.gmail.com>
	<410306.67693.qm@web56805.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20081105224739.GB2663@kokopelli.hydra>

On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 11:28:10AM -0800, mdh wrote:
> 
> My advice is to install the following ports in the following order:  
> 
> java/jdk16
> java/eclipse-devel

Does licensing BS still require out-of-band agreement to EULAs on the Sun
website in 7.x, or has that finally changed for the better?

-- 
Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ]
Quoth Albert Camus: "An intellectual is someone whose mind watches
itself."
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From prad at towardsfreedom.com  Wed Nov  5 15:19:10 2008
From: prad at towardsfreedom.com (prad)
Date: Wed Nov  5 15:19:17 2008
Subject: running linux programs
Message-ID: <20081105151905.4b7e0925@gom.home>

if i want to run a linux program that is not offered in the linux-*
collection, can i compile it so that it will be run through the
emulator rather than as a freebsd program?

for instance, i want to run chessdb (a maintained version of scid which
is in the ports) and there is a tarball for unix:

ChessDB-3.6.18.tar.gz UNIX/Linux tarball.
(http://chessdb.sourceforge.net/downloads/)

but it doesn't seem to compile properly on freebsd.

i was wondering if i could compile it in linux, but there doesn't seem
to be any compiler present in /compat/linux ...

-- 
In friendship,
prad

                                      ... with you on your journey
Towards Freedom
http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website)
Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's
From cactushugger1 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  5 15:03:29 2008
From: cactushugger1 at yahoo.com (david mellick)
Date: Wed Nov  5 15:23:21 2008
Subject: a quick?
Message-ID: <274247.47475.qm@web31103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

how long does it normally take GNOME to install?



Thanks 
Dave



      
From glen.j.barber at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 15:30:06 2008
From: glen.j.barber at gmail.com (Glen Barber)
Date: Wed Nov  5 15:30:13 2008
Subject: running linux programs
In-Reply-To: <20081105151905.4b7e0925@gom.home>
References: <20081105151905.4b7e0925@gom.home>
Message-ID: <4ad871310811051530m675e06dq387fca6d4c39dc90@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 6:19 PM, prad <prad@towardsfreedom.com> wrote:
> if i want to run a linux program that is not offered in the linux-*
> collection, can i compile it so that it will be run through the
> emulator rather than as a freebsd program?
>

You could use linux binary compatability.

> for instance, i want to run chessdb (a maintained version of scid which
> is in the ports) and there is a tarball for unix:
>
> ChessDB-3.6.18.tar.gz UNIX/Linux tarball.
> (http://chessdb.sourceforge.net/downloads/)
>
> but it doesn't seem to compile properly on freebsd.
>

What errors do you get? What `./configure' options do you give it?

> i was wondering if i could compile it in linux, but there doesn't seem
> to be any compiler present in /compat/linux ...
>



-- 
Glen Barber
From glen.j.barber at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 15:30:43 2008
From: glen.j.barber at gmail.com (Glen Barber)
Date: Wed Nov  5 15:30:50 2008
Subject: a quick?
In-Reply-To: <274247.47475.qm@web31103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <274247.47475.qm@web31103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4ad871310811051530j6967068ftd67c91cf4475024e@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 5:36 PM, david mellick <cactushugger1@yahoo.com> wrote:
> how long does it normally take GNOME to install?
>

Your question is extremely vague.  Install *how*?  Ports or from pkg_add?

-- 
Glen Barber
From pprocacci at datapipe.com  Wed Nov  5 15:33:17 2008
From: pprocacci at datapipe.com (Paul A. Procacci)
Date: Wed Nov  5 15:33:24 2008
Subject: a quick?
In-Reply-To: <274247.47475.qm@web31103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <274247.47475.qm@web31103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <49122D2E.4040903@datapipe.com>

david mellick wrote:
> how long does it normally take GNOME to install?
>
>
>
> Thanks 
> Dave
>
>
>
>       
> _______________________________________________
> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
>   
This is quite an open-ended question that has lots of variables.  The 
answer is, it depends on your system in which no one will be able to 
provide any specifics; more or less.

~Paul
From glen.j.barber at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 15:41:04 2008
From: glen.j.barber at gmail.com (Glen Barber)
Date: Wed Nov  5 15:41:12 2008
Subject: a quick?
In-Reply-To: <58369.91275.qm@web31103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <4ad871310811051530j6967068ftd67c91cf4475024e@mail.gmail.com>
	<58369.91275.qm@web31103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4ad871310811051541i636056c0rde76ed8ba11d2e1f@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 6:39 PM, david mellick <cactushugger1@yahoo.com> wrote:
> yeah i should be more specific on a pentium VIA ports
>
> But this no longer matters apparently I ran out of space I guess the schools
> systems are ancient 5.1 Gigs
>

You should have made sure ample space was available in the first place.

> so any advice on cleaning up the mess.  deinstall wont work since it did not
> completely install.
>

`make distclean` should do it.

-- 
Glen Barber
From glen.j.barber at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 15:43:21 2008
From: glen.j.barber at gmail.com (Glen Barber)
Date: Wed Nov  5 15:43:29 2008
Subject: a quick?
In-Reply-To: <4ad871310811051541i636056c0rde76ed8ba11d2e1f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ad871310811051530j6967068ftd67c91cf4475024e@mail.gmail.com>
	<58369.91275.qm@web31103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4ad871310811051541i636056c0rde76ed8ba11d2e1f@mail.gmail.com>
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You could also do `rm -rf /usr/ports/x11/gnome2/work'

-- 
Glen Barber
570.328.0318
From prad at towardsfreedom.com  Wed Nov  5 15:52:11 2008
From: prad at towardsfreedom.com (prad)
Date: Wed Nov  5 15:52:19 2008
Subject: running linux programs
In-Reply-To: <4ad871310811051530m675e06dq387fca6d4c39dc90@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081105151905.4b7e0925@gom.home>
	<4ad871310811051530m675e06dq387fca6d4c39dc90@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081105155205.2364f921@gom.home>

On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:30:04 -0500
"Glen Barber" <glen.j.barber@gmail.com> wrote:

> > but it doesn't seem to compile properly on freebsd.
> >  
> 
> What errors do you get? What `./configure' options do you give it?
>
i think i've solved the problem. there were certain alterations to the
Makefile i had to do and twiddle with a couple of other things, but it
works now compiled on freebsd.

however, can i compile a linux program within the linux emulator
instead of using the gcc in freebsd?

-- 
In friendship,
prad

                                      ... with you on your journey
Towards Freedom
http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website)
Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's
From cactushugger1 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  5 15:39:47 2008
From: cactushugger1 at yahoo.com (david mellick)
Date: Wed Nov  5 16:01:37 2008
Subject: a quick?
In-Reply-To: <4ad871310811051530j6967068ftd67c91cf4475024e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <58369.91275.qm@web31103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

yeah i should be more specific on a pentium VIA ports

But this no longer matters apparently I ran out of space I guess the schools systems are ancient 5.1 Gigs

so any advice on cleaning up the mess.? deinstall wont work since it did not completely install.

--- On Wed, 11/5/08, Glen Barber <glen.j.barber@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Glen Barber <glen.j.barber@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: a quick?
To: cactushugger1@yahoo.com
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 6:30 PM

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 5:36 PM, david mellick <cactushugger1@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> how long does it normally take GNOME to install?
>

Your question is extremely vague.  Install *how*?  Ports or from pkg_add?

-- 
Glen Barber



      
From cactushugger1 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  5 15:53:36 2008
From: cactushugger1 at yahoo.com (david mellick)
Date: Wed Nov  5 16:07:05 2008
Subject: a quick?
In-Reply-To: <4ad871310811051541i636056c0rde76ed8ba11d2e1f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <151070.1030.qm@web31103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The decision to check for ample space was ignored because the guide lines were install 2 modules and a project.? so surely more the 5 gigs was available in an age of 90 dollar TB, that was my logic.

Thanks for the help

--- On Wed, 11/5/08, Glen Barber <glen.j.barber@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Glen Barber <glen.j.barber@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: a quick?
To: cactushugger1@yahoo.com
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 6:41 PM

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 6:39 PM, david mellick <cactushugger1@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> yeah i should be more specific on a pentium VIA ports
>
> But this no longer matters apparently I ran out of space I guess the
schools
> systems are ancient 5.1 Gigs
>

You should have made sure ample space was available in the first place.

> so any advice on cleaning up the mess.  deinstall wont work since it did
not
> completely install.
>

`make distclean` should do it.

-- 
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From keramida at ceid.upatras.gr  Wed Nov  5 18:15:38 2008
From: keramida at ceid.upatras.gr (Giorgos Keramidas)
Date: Wed Nov  5 18:15:49 2008
Subject: irc & usenet clients for xfce
In-Reply-To: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBGEJACMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>
	(fbsd1@a1poweruser.com's message of "Wed, 5 Nov 2008 22:38:03 +0800")
References: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBGEJACMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>
Message-ID: <87skq5r45l.fsf@kobe.laptop>

On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 22:38:03 +0800, fbsd1@a1poweruser.com wrote:
> What irc, pop mail, and usenet clients from gmone or kde or x would
> you recommend to use on xfce?

My setup is a bit `unusual' for those who like holistic approaches to
the desktop, like GNOME and KDE, but I use GNU Emacs for email, news
and IRC (sometimes for web browsing too).

Gnus, running inside a separate Emacs instance, is a very good email &
news reader.  It supports MIME, PGP encryption, email filtering and
archival; it can connect through POP or IMAP; it supports authentication
methods like POP+SSL; it can read email from Unix mailboxes, MH-folders,
or Maildirs; it can fetch & cache email from multiple sources; it can
score Usenet messages with customizable rules, so you only have to read
what you prefer instead of everything, and so on...  The feature list is
just too huge to include here.

The ERC module (included in the latest Emacs 22.X releases) is a quite
flexible and nice IRC client.  It integrates well with the rest of
Emacs, so you get the full power of a magnificent editor in all your IRC
windows; it can connect to multiple servers; it can use Bitlbee as a
back-end for instant messaging; but most importantly it can be tuned,
customized and extended right there from within Emacs, like any other
Emacs Lisp application.

If you have used GNU Emacs and you feel comfortable working with it,
these two (Gnus and ERC) can probably be a very useful and powerful
combo.  More information about them (and many other Emacs modules) is
available online at the Emacs Wiki:

  http://www.emacswiki.org/CategoryGnus

  http://www.emacswiki.org/ERC

These two aren't exactly XFCE-specific, but I consider this a huge
advantage, instead of a short-coming :-)

From jhfoo-ml at extracktor.com  Wed Nov  5 19:11:24 2008
From: jhfoo-ml at extracktor.com (Foo JH)
Date: Wed Nov  5 19:11:31 2008
Subject: [mod_mono] how to install from freebsd?
In-Reply-To: <4911B859.6080304@diatel.upm.es>
References: <4911AADB.3060202@extracktor.com> <4911B859.6080304@diatel.upm.es>
Message-ID: <49126063.6090108@extracktor.com>

Hello Javier,

Thanks for the tip. They have released new versions since then, but I'll
give it a try and see how it goes.

By the way, what is your assessment of mono on FreeBSD? I don't see a
lot of support for this platform. Even for Linux there's too much
emphasis on SuSe. What is going on?

Javier Mart?n Rueda wrote:
> Foo JH wrote:
>> I'm using 7.0, and I've installed mono and apache22 from the packages
>> (pkg_add -r xxx). Now I need to find mod_mono to complete the pieces.
>> Trouble is, I don't see it available from the ports tree.
>>
>>   
> I have these notes from some mod_mono installation I did some time ago.
> I hope they are still valid:
> 
> I installed mono from the ports. It was just a standard install, so
> installing from packages should be the same.
> 
> XSP
> ===
> 
> * fetch http://go-mono.com/sources/xsp/xsp-1.2.3.tar.gz
> * configure && gmake && gmake install
> * Test: mono /usr/local/lib/mono/2.0/xsp2.exe. Open http://myserver:8080
> (it will say it cannot find /)
> * Test 2: copy a web application and open it. It should work.
> 
> MOD_MONO
> ========
> 
> * fetch http://go-mono.com/sources/mod_mono/mod_mono-1.2.1.tar.gz
> * configure && gmake && gmake install
> * mv /usr/local/etc/apache22/mod_mono.conf /usr/local/etc/apache22/Includes
> * Edit mod_mono.conf and add this:
> 
>   MonoServerPath /usr/local/bin/mod-mono-server2
>   MonoPath /usr/local/lib/mono/2.0
> 
> * Install test application in /somewhere/website and create
> /usr/local/etc/apache22/Includes/prueba.conf:
> 
>   Alias /prueba "/somewhere/website"
>   MonoApplications "/prueba:/somewhere/website"
> 
>   <Directory /somewhere/website>
>     Allow from all
>   </Directory>
> 
> 
> Open http://myserver/prueba and it should work.
> 
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From freebsd at edvax.de  Wed Nov  5 21:30:07 2008
From: freebsd at edvax.de (Polytropon)
Date: Wed Nov  5 21:30:15 2008
Subject: irc & usenet clients for xfce
In-Reply-To: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBGEJACMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>
References: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBGEJACMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>
Message-ID: <20081106063004.e5a4991e.freebsd@edvax.de>

On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 22:38:03 +0800, "FBSD1" <fbsd1@a1poweruser.com> wrote:
> What irc, pop mail, and usenet clients from gmone or kde or x would you
> recommend to use on xfce?

On a XFCE 4 system, XChat-2 for IRC, Sylpheed for POP mail would give
you a good setup that does not involve too much dependencies. On the
other hand, using Firefox + Thunderbird would be usable, too.

-- 
Polytropon
>From Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
From bruce at cran.org.uk  Wed Nov  5 21:34:56 2008
From: bruce at cran.org.uk (Bruce Cran)
Date: Wed Nov  5 21:35:03 2008
Subject: uhub0: device problem
In-Reply-To: <41b6ede20811050421u76ec9a1bjb5da897090f20fc4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <41b6ede20811050421u76ec9a1bjb5da897090f20fc4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081105213440.46f03432@tau.draftnet>

On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 12:21:30 +0000
"stephen farrell" <stephenf22@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Hi, first off I'm new to FreeBSD so be gentle! :)
> 
> I seem to be having problems with a HP 7260 usb printer.  Cups is
> installed and setup correctly following the Handbook method but i'm
> finding that the uhub is getting disabled, stalling and timing out.
> I have reproduced the same results on my other system.
> 
> Both systems are running FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE & GENERIC kernel.
> 
> The error message from dmesg is:
> uhub0: device problem (IOERROR), disabling port 1
> 
> I do not have any issues with usb mouse or keyboards.  Is this a
> known issue or can i rectify the problem at all.  Would be grateful
> for some help as i am new to this level of configuration.

I've seen problems like this on my old PC, which is running an Asus
A7V333 motherboard from 2002. Its EHCI controller is reported as
adhering to the 0.95 standard, which according to the update document
from http://www.intel.com/technology/usb/ehcispec.htm was finished in
2000. I've assumed that since it's so ancient it's no surprise
that it struggles with modern USB devices.

Unfortunately I don't know of any solutions - or even if that's the
problem. The first step would probably be to
let people see what sort of hardware you have: could you post the
output of the dmesg command please?

-- 
Bruce Cran
From bsam at ipt.ru  Wed Nov  5 22:47:34 2008
From: bsam at ipt.ru (Boris Samorodov)
Date: Wed Nov  5 22:47:41 2008
Subject: running linux programs
In-Reply-To: <20081105155205.2364f921@gom.home> (prad@towardsfreedom.com's
	message of "Wed\, 5 Nov 2008 15\:52\:05 -0800")
References: <20081105151905.4b7e0925@gom.home>
	<4ad871310811051530m675e06dq387fca6d4c39dc90@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081105155205.2364f921@gom.home>
Message-ID: <02218086@bb.ipt.ru>

prad <prad@towardsfreedom.com> writes:

> however, can i compile a linux program within the linux emulator
> instead of using the gcc in freebsd?

emulators/linux_dist-gentoo-stage* are used for this.


WBR
-- 
Boris Samorodov (bsam)
Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone & Internet SP
FreeBSD committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve
From prad at towardsfreedom.com  Wed Nov  5 22:58:54 2008
From: prad at towardsfreedom.com (prad)
Date: Wed Nov  5 22:59:01 2008
Subject: running linux programs
In-Reply-To: <02218086@bb.ipt.ru>
References: <20081105151905.4b7e0925@gom.home>
	<4ad871310811051530m675e06dq387fca6d4c39dc90@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081105155205.2364f921@gom.home> <02218086@bb.ipt.ru>
Message-ID: <20081105225849.43bb047f@gom.home>

On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 09:47:21 +0300
Boris Samorodov <bsam@ipt.ru> wrote:

> emulators/linux_dist-gentoo-stage* are used for this.
>
so what i should do then is install one of the 3 dist-gentoo-stages?
or do these work the same way as the gentoo stages - i seem to recall i
just did gentoo from stage 2 or 3 many years ago.

will this give me the gentoo emerge environment?

will this be a separate /compat/linux directory from what i got when i
simply put on linux-opera?

is there a wiki on linux emulation anywhere?

-- 
In friendship,
prad

                                      ... with you on your journey
Towards Freedom
http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website)
Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's
From bsam at ipt.ru  Wed Nov  5 23:29:23 2008
From: bsam at ipt.ru (Boris Samorodov)
Date: Wed Nov  5 23:29:30 2008
Subject: running linux programs
In-Reply-To: <20081105225849.43bb047f@gom.home> (prad@towardsfreedom.com's
	message of "Wed\, 5 Nov 2008 22\:58\:49 -0800")
References: <20081105151905.4b7e0925@gom.home>
	<4ad871310811051530m675e06dq387fca6d4c39dc90@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081105155205.2364f921@gom.home> <02218086@bb.ipt.ru>
	<20081105225849.43bb047f@gom.home>
Message-ID: <70055576@bb.ipt.ru>

prad <prad@towardsfreedom.com> writes:
> On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 09:47:21 +0300
> Boris Samorodov <bsam@ipt.ru> wrote:
>
>> emulators/linux_dist-gentoo-stage* are used for this.
>>
> so what i should do then is install one of the 3 dist-gentoo-stages?

Chroot to linux directory and compile the needed program.

> or do these work the same way as the gentoo stages - i seem to recall i
> just did gentoo from stage 2 or 3 many years ago.
>
> will this give me the gentoo emerge environment?
>
> will this be a separate /compat/linux directory from what i got when i
> simply put on linux-opera?
>
> is there a wiki on linux emulation anywhere?

You'd have better chances if you ask those questions at
freebsd-emulation@ ML.


WBR
-- 
Boris Samorodov (bsam)
Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone & Internet SP
FreeBSD committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve
From sebastian.tymkow at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 00:18:30 2008
From: sebastian.tymkow at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sebastian_Tymk=F3w?=)
Date: Thu Nov  6 00:18:38 2008
Subject: Best way to back up mysql database
In-Reply-To: <692660060811031405t334a1a2cq876913d4b801b180@mail.gmail.com>
References: <835F48BA-494E-44A0-8D2B-D9F139AB2125@identry.com>
	<94136a2c0810010201y6d561828lb125419de1613aee@mail.gmail.com>
	<81F44C16-59C8-4A44-AE2A-B9F233834383@identry.com>
	<692660060810010933t6ada2c85g18b3e0e60d2cf02d@mail.gmail.com>
	<48E484B6.7090502@infracaninophile.co.uk>
	<692660060811031405t334a1a2cq876913d4b801b180@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <692660060811060018m7122c5c6k57f22431a2e8cd8@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

Yes you're right but what I meant was something like this ;))
http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2006/08/21/using-lvm-for-mysql-backup-and-replication-setup/
It's simple, safe and faster than mysqldump.
On 3 GB database it takes only 3-5 seconds.


Best regards,

Sebastian Tymkow
From c.kworr at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 02:15:58 2008
From: c.kworr at gmail.com (Volodymyr Kostyrko)
Date: Thu Nov  6 02:16:06 2008
Subject: gmirror + gjournal setup question
In-Reply-To: <d05df8620810291007y3d18e5b8g8674477f1f00d810@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d05df8620810291007y3d18e5b8g8674477f1f00d810@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <geug4k$dnt$1@ger.gmane.org>

Gabriel Lavoie wrote:
> Hello,
>      I would like to know what is the best way to setup gmirror + gjournal,
> on a slice level on two hard drives. Do I set up a mirrored journal
> partition + mirrored journalized slice (gmirror on top of gjournal) on which
> I create my labels with bsdlabels (will create /dev/mirror/name.journal,
> /dev/mirror/name.journala, /dev/mirror/name.journalb). Or I setup a
> journalized slice on both hard drive and then I mirror /dev/ad0s1.journal
> and /dev/ad1s1.journal (gjournal on top of gmirror)? I have hard time to
> figure out what would be the best, if I want to avoid mirror rebuild on
> power failure and I want fast fsck. I'd also like to make this setup on my
> 1st slice (which contains the root filesystem).

man gjournal:
...
      When gjournal is configured on top of gmirror(8) or graid3(8) 
providers,
      it also keeps them in a consistent state, thus automatic 
synchronization
      on power failure or system crash may be disabled on those providers.
...

I think journaling a mirrored partition can be much better.

-- 
Sphinx of black quartz judge my vow.

From subbsd at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 02:22:23 2008
From: subbsd at gmail.com (Ole)
Date: Thu Nov  6 02:22:30 2008
Subject: documentation for sysctl MIB
Message-ID: <200811061322.19218.subbsd@gmail.com>

Hello maillist, 

I have to small question
- Where i can get documentation for description some "base" sysctl variables?
- And, what the diffrence between 
sysctl hw.machine hw.machine_arch
?

For example, i extract i386 installation, but my hardware is EM64T  and 
supporting AMD64 distribution correctly. Both variable get i386 value. One of 
them must be amd64?

Thanks for your time
From c.kworr at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 02:25:04 2008
From: c.kworr at gmail.com (Volodymyr Kostyrko)
Date: Thu Nov  6 02:25:11 2008
Subject: Setting up gmirror
In-Reply-To: <48FE709D.9080907@telus.net>
References: <48FE709D.9080907@telus.net>
Message-ID: <geugde$eu6$1@ger.gmane.org>

Carl wrote:

> What are the considerations in choosing between "load", "prefer", 
> "round-robin", and "split" balance algorithms?

"load" is currently not good at high loads, pr's pending...

-- 
Sphinx of black quartz judge my vow.

From vince at unsane.co.uk  Thu Nov  6 02:28:41 2008
From: vince at unsane.co.uk (Vincent Hoffman)
Date: Thu Nov  6 02:28:48 2008
Subject: documentation for sysctl MIB
In-Reply-To: <200811061322.19218.subbsd@gmail.com>
References: <200811061322.19218.subbsd@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4912C6D6.9040901@unsane.co.uk>

Ole wrote:
> Hello maillist, 
>
> I have to small question
> - Where i can get documentation for description some "base" sysctl variables?
> - And, what the diffrence between 
> sysctl hw.machine hw.machine_arch
> ?
>
>   
try sysctl -d $oid
for example:
jhary@crab
(10:23:56 <~>) 0 $ sysctl -d hw.machine hw.machine_arch
hw.machine: Machine class
hw.machine_arch: System architecture
jhary@crab
(10:24:12 <~>) 0 $ sysctl  hw.machine hw.machine_arch
hw.machine: amd64
hw.machine_arch: amd64

> For example, i extract i386 installation, but my hardware is EM64T  and 
> supporting AMD64 distribution correctly. Both variable get i386 value. One of 
> them must be amd64?
>
>   
> Thanks for your time
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
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>   

From kuku at kukulies.org  Thu Nov  6 02:44:17 2008
From: kuku at kukulies.org (Christoph Kukulies)
Date: Thu Nov  6 02:44:24 2008
Subject: 7.1-BETA2 installation from floppies - has anyone tried lately?
In-Reply-To: <49120BE4.7010009@kukulies.org>
References: <49106440.4010906@kukulies.org>	<1225813899.2734.1.camel@frodon.be-bif.ulb.ac.be>	<491090CE.1090900@hdk5.net>	<49109409.8030601@kukulies.org>	<4911C46A.7020401@kukulies.org>	<4911C93E.4090803@kukulies.org>	<20081105165148.GA15560@icarus.home.lan>
	<49120BE4.7010009@kukulies.org>
Message-ID: <4912CA7C.9050108@kukulies.org>

In the vein of getting a way to install FreeBSD 7.1-BETA2 onto my SATA 
IDE drive (otherwise still running 5.2.1. from IDE drives) I found in 
the seek of other methods to bootstrap myself, that the boot floppy 
hangs after asking for kern1 floppy. Could that be just bad media or 
could it have another cause. In other words: Has anyone tried to boot 
from a 7.1-BETA2 floppy set recently?

Other suggestion of how to bootstrap me from 5.2.1 to 7.1 are welcome:

Doing a cvs-sup ? (Is there still this method of updating FreeBSD? - 
I've been a while off from the front)
Making my SATA drive (/dev/ar0) bootable and putting the contents of the 
distribution into it?
--
Christoph
From Pieter.Donche at ua.ac.be  Thu Nov  6 02:45:54 2008
From: Pieter.Donche at ua.ac.be (Pieter Donche)
Date: Thu Nov  6 02:46:01 2008
Subject: raid tool ZFS RAID-Z2 (RAID6)
In-Reply-To: <geug4k$dnt$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <d05df8620810291007y3d18e5b8g8674477f1f00d810@mail.gmail.com>
	<geug4k$dnt$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.63.0811061122190.29135@hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be>

raidz is available for Freebsd through the file system format ZFS
and is similar to RAID-5.

Is that in FreeBSD 7.0 Production release?

But there is also RAID-Z2 which uses two forms of parity to achieve
results similar to RAID6: the ability to sustain up to two drive
failures without losing data..

Does Freebsd 7.0 production release also support raid-z2?

From Ludovit_Koren at tempest.sk  Thu Nov  6 03:03:56 2008
From: Ludovit_Koren at tempest.sk (Ludovit Koren)
Date: Thu Nov  6 03:04:08 2008
Subject: Kismet on FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE
Message-ID: <20081106.114846.107247756.koren@tempest.sk>



Hi,

I am using 

iwi0: <Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200BG> mem 0xfafef000-0xfafeffff irq 9 at device 3.0 on pci2


# kldload /boot/kernel/if_iwi.ko
# kldload /boot/kernel/iwi_bss.ko
# kldload /boot/kernel/iwi_ibss.ko
# kldload /boot/kernel/iwi_monitor.ko
# /etc/rc.d/wpa_supplicant start iwi0

which is working fine when I am using it connecting to WiFi net. When
I am using wpa_cli scan and scan_results I can see different nets.

I have the following configuration line in the kismet.conf file:

source=radiotap_bsd_ab,iwi0,pcapfile


I am using kismet_server and kismet_client commands but I cannot see
any received data (networks, packets, ...)

I tried 

source=radiotap_bsd_ab,iwi0,ipw2200

as well with no success. Anyone was able to succeed with kismet? Is
the Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200BG working with kismet at all? Any hints
greatly appreciated.

Thank you very much in advance.

Regards,

lk
From onemda at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 04:12:26 2008
From: onemda at gmail.com (Paul B. Mahol)
Date: Thu Nov  6 04:12:32 2008
Subject: Kismet on FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE
In-Reply-To: <20081106.114846.107247756.koren@tempest.sk>
References: <20081106.114846.107247756.koren@tempest.sk>
Message-ID: <3a142e750811060412q4e145d93le221f46e1df9f3a8@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/6/08, Ludovit Koren <Ludovit_Koren@tempest.sk> wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I am using
>
> iwi0: <Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200BG> mem 0xfafef000-0xfafeffff irq 9 at
> device 3.0 on pci2
>
>
> # kldload /boot/kernel/if_iwi.ko
> # kldload /boot/kernel/iwi_bss.ko
> # kldload /boot/kernel/iwi_ibss.ko
> # kldload /boot/kernel/iwi_monitor.ko
> # /etc/rc.d/wpa_supplicant start iwi0
>
> which is working fine when I am using it connecting to WiFi net. When
> I am using wpa_cli scan and scan_results I can see different nets.
>
> I have the following configuration line in the kismet.conf file:
>
> source=radiotap_bsd_ab,iwi0,pcapfile

It should be:

source=radiotap_bsd_ab,iwi0,iwi0

More information is required. Can you put iwi0 into monitor mode and
use tcpdump instead?

ifconfig iwi0 monitor
From ganbi at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  6 04:40:17 2008
From: ganbi at yahoo.com (Ganesh kamath)
Date: Thu Nov  6 04:45:40 2008
Subject: Geom multipath
Message-ID: <877581.16197.qm@web31702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi,

I am trying to get multipath running in freebsd version 7. Are there any configuration files that i can tweak with geom multipath?. The paths are active/passive to the storage array and i dont seem to have control of what path the IO takes, so i was wondering if there are any tweaks thati could do to control the flow of IO to a specific path.

Also, the IO doesnt resume when i try to do some cable pulls and plug them back.

thanks!
Gak




      
From me at janh.de  Thu Nov  6 05:06:39 2008
From: me at janh.de (Jan Henrik Sylvester)
Date: Thu Nov  6 05:06:47 2008
Subject: Kismet on FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE
References: 20081106.114846.107247756.koren@tempest.sk
Message-ID: <4912EBD6.8070805@janh.de>

Ludovit wrote:
 > iwi0: <Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200BG> mem 0xfafef000-0xfafeffff irq 9
 > at device 3.0 on pci2

Monitor is broken on iwi on FreeBSD 7. I did report it during the 
7.0-BETA, but there was at least one more report in the meantime.

With exactly the same setup, I can use kismet with ural (ok), zyd (many 
broken packages), ral (ok), and ath (good, but see below). I do not 
receive a single package with iwi.

I did replace my iwi miniPCI device by an ath one, which is more 
reliable anyhow. (iwi, as all Intel cards, occasionally dies and cannot 
reload firmware because of too little dma memory. That was reported a 
few times, too.)

ath can monitor, even for longer periods of time, but if I do channel 
hopping in kismet, it often eventually stops receiving packages after a 
few minutes. Restarting kismet always fixes that. (I have had that with 
different ath cards.)

iwi monitoring did work on 6.2, but often the card would not do regular 
networking after that until reboot and the problem with the firmware 
mentioned above was already present, although it was much better than on 
6.1.

For monitoring, you should either get a different card or try 6.X, 
6-STABLE, or maybe 8-CURRENT. (I have no experience with the latter.)

Cheers,
Jan Henrik
From glavoie at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 05:22:54 2008
From: glavoie at gmail.com (Gabriel Lavoie)
Date: Thu Nov  6 05:23:01 2008
Subject: Setting up gmirror
In-Reply-To: <geugde$eu6$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <48FE709D.9080907@telus.net> <geugde$eu6$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <d05df8620811060522y5b423319h9d9e2512d87c454f@mail.gmail.com>

As I asked in another thread, what is the problem with the "load" algorith?

Thanks

2008/11/6 Volodymyr Kostyrko <c.kworr@gmail.com>

> Carl wrote:
>
>  What are the considerations in choosing between "load", "prefer",
>> "round-robin", and "split" balance algorithms?
>>
>
> "load" is currently not good at high loads, pr's pending...
>
> --
> Sphinx of black quartz judge my vow.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "
> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
>



-- 
Gabriel Lavoie
glavoie@gmail.com
From glavoie at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 05:24:22 2008
From: glavoie at gmail.com (Gabriel Lavoie)
Date: Thu Nov  6 05:24:28 2008
Subject: gmirror + gjournal setup question
In-Reply-To: <geug4k$dnt$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <d05df8620810291007y3d18e5b8g8674477f1f00d810@mail.gmail.com>
	<geug4k$dnt$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <d05df8620811060524x6c8d3883j1a8efc42aaabf2cd@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for your reply. I finally understood that with the "power failure"
tests I made.

Gabriel

2008/11/6 Volodymyr Kostyrko <c.kworr@gmail.com>

> Gabriel Lavoie wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>     I would like to know what is the best way to setup gmirror + gjournal,
>> on a slice level on two hard drives. Do I set up a mirrored journal
>> partition + mirrored journalized slice (gmirror on top of gjournal) on
>> which
>> I create my labels with bsdlabels (will create /dev/mirror/name.journal,
>> /dev/mirror/name.journala, /dev/mirror/name.journalb). Or I setup a
>> journalized slice on both hard drive and then I mirror /dev/ad0s1.journal
>> and /dev/ad1s1.journal (gjournal on top of gmirror)? I have hard time to
>> figure out what would be the best, if I want to avoid mirror rebuild on
>> power failure and I want fast fsck. I'd also like to make this setup on my
>> 1st slice (which contains the root filesystem).
>>
>
> man gjournal:
> ...
>     When gjournal is configured on top of gmirror(8) or graid3(8)
> providers,
>     it also keeps them in a consistent state, thus automatic
> synchronization
>     on power failure or system crash may be disabled on those providers.
> ...
>
> I think journaling a mirrored partition can be much better.
>
> --
> Sphinx of black quartz judge my vow.
>
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From c.kworr at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 05:27:17 2008
From: c.kworr at gmail.com (Volodymyr Kostyrko)
Date: Thu Nov  6 05:27:25 2008
Subject: Setting up gmirror
In-Reply-To: <d05df8620811060522y5b423319h9d9e2512d87c454f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48FE709D.9080907@telus.net> <geugde$eu6$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<d05df8620811060522y5b423319h9d9e2512d87c454f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <geurb3$j7q$1@ger.gmane.org>

Gabriel Lavoie wroted:
> As I asked in another thread, what is the problem with the "load" algorith?

I've already pointed you in the other tread to 
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=113885 :)

-- 
Sphinx of black quartz judge my vow.

From creddym at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 06:32:16 2008
From: creddym at gmail.com (chandra reddy)
Date: Thu Nov  6 06:32:23 2008
Subject: Assmbler Error: suffix or operands invalid for `mov'
In-Reply-To: <3f95d3db0811060603lfee9e56g4ddcf348e7213713@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3f95d3db0811060603lfee9e56g4ddcf348e7213713@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3f95d3db0811060605i652967dbmd22d5239471ca6d5@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I am building FreeBSD kernel with gcc 4.1.1. I can see the foloowing
assembler error: My assemler version is   GNU assembler 2.17


../../../../../src/bsd/sys/i386/i386/locore.s: Assembler messages:

../../../../../src/bsd/sys/i386/i386/locore.s:362: Error: suffix or
operands invalid for `mov'

../../../../../src/bsd/sys/i386/i386/locore.s:379: Error: suffix or
operands invalid for `mov'

../../../../../src/bsd/sys/i386/i386/locore.s:397: Error: suffix or
operands invalid for `mov'

*** Error code 1 (continuing)

The code in lcore.s is :

 movl    UC_GS(%eax),%gs         /* restore %gs */

 movl    UC4_GS(%eax),%gs        /* restore %gs */

 movl    SC_GS(%eax),%gs         /* restore %gs */

What is the patch for this problem? what should I use mov/movw?


The same errors for


bsd/sys/i386/i386/swtch.s

 movl    %gs,PCB_GS(%edx)
 movl    PCB_GS(%edx),%gs
 movl    %gs,PCB_GS(%ecx)

bsd/sys/i386/include/cpufunc.h

 __asm __volatile("movl %%gs,%0" : "=rm" (sel));
 __asm __volatile("mov %0,%%fs" : : "rm" (sel));
 __asm __volatile("movl %0,%%gs" : : "rm" (sel));

Thanks
Chandra
-- 
"debugging a buggy debugger with a cross buggy debugger leads to a  buggy
life "
From kuku at kukulies.org  Thu Nov  6 06:35:43 2008
From: kuku at kukulies.org (Christoph Kukulies)
Date: Thu Nov  6 06:35:49 2008
Subject: hit some FS/slice size limit?
Message-ID: <4913008F.6010106@kukulies.org>

I partitioned my Seagate 500 GB Sata drive  under the FreeBSD 7.1 
sysinstall (booted from the install CD while having the drive attached 
to USB on my notebook). When creating the filesystems I chose 472 G for 
the / partition (wanted to put everything into one partition - yeah, I 
know, one should
granulate this finer, but I didn' t want to bother right now). I got 
told that it could not create the slice
(too big? it said). Hmm, is there some limit on a FreeBSD slice size?

--
Christoph
From ertr1013 at student.uu.se  Thu Nov  6 06:53:20 2008
From: ertr1013 at student.uu.se (Erik Trulsson)
Date: Thu Nov  6 06:53:28 2008
Subject: hit some FS/slice size limit?
In-Reply-To: <4913008F.6010106@kukulies.org>
References: <4913008F.6010106@kukulies.org>
Message-ID: <20081106145316.GA35387@owl.midgard.homeip.net>

On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 03:34:55PM +0100, Christoph Kukulies wrote:
> I partitioned my Seagate 500 GB Sata drive  under the FreeBSD 7.1 
> sysinstall (booted from the install CD while having the drive attached 
> to USB on my notebook). When creating the filesystems I chose 472 G for 
> the / partition (wanted to put everything into one partition - yeah, I 
> know, one should
> granulate this finer, but I didn' t want to bother right now). I got 
> told that it could not create the slice
> (too big? it said). Hmm, is there some limit on a FreeBSD slice size?

There is a limit on FreeBSD slice size, but it is larger than that.

No, I suspect you just got caught out by different definitions of 'GB'
Segate (like all other harddisk manufacturers) uses the SI-prefixes
correctly and has 'G' mean one billion (1000,000,000).
So your disk is 500,000,000,000 bytes large (actually slightly more than
that.) This is about equal to 465*1024*1024*1024 or 465 of what FreeBSD (and
many other OSs) calls a 'GB'.

I.e. the 472 GB slice you tried to create is larger than the disk is.



( See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix for much information
about the different meanings of 'GB' and resulting confusion. )




-- 
<Insert your favourite quote here.>
Erik Trulsson
ertr1013@student.uu.se
From freebsd-questions-local at be-well.ilk.org  Thu Nov  6 06:55:42 2008
From: freebsd-questions-local at be-well.ilk.org (Lowell Gilbert)
Date: Thu Nov  6 06:55:49 2008
Subject: Wireless Nic rtl8187se
In-Reply-To: <740646d0811040327v6a289819t2ef01527fb83b130@mail.gmail.com>
	(Wilson Ribeiro's message of "Tue\, 4 Nov 2008 09\:27\:43 -0200")
References: <740646d0811040327v6a289819t2ef01527fb83b130@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44abccj445.fsf@be-well.ilk.org>

"Wilson Ribeiro" <wribjr@gmail.com> writes:

> Hi people,
>
> i recently bought a MSI Wind U100x and couldnt configure my wireless nic
> because it was not identified, how can i identify my wireless nic?


Was it probed on boot at all?

-- 
Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area
		http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/
From freebsd-questions-local at be-well.ilk.org  Thu Nov  6 06:59:28 2008
From: freebsd-questions-local at be-well.ilk.org (Lowell Gilbert)
Date: Thu Nov  6 06:59:35 2008
Subject: cvsup: local
In-Reply-To: <c583719d0811050058m3205b11n245536e4c4cb1262@mail.gmail.com>
	(fire jotawski's message of "Wed\, 5 Nov 2008 15\:58\:33 +0700")
References: <c583719d0811050058m3205b11n245536e4c4cb1262@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4463n0j3xu.fsf@be-well.ilk.org>

"fire jotawski" <jotawski@gmail.com> writes:

> i have my small box, 10.3.1.25 ip,  that cvsup-ed files from repository into
> it.  it use cvs-supfile in /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ to collect files.
> now that i want my other machine to cvsup 6.2-release source files from the
> one mentioned above.
>
> my  trial was
>
> cvsupd -b /var/db -c sup
>
> for box, 10.3.1.25 ip,  and for other machine
>
> cvsup -g -L 2 -h 10.3.1.25 sup-file
>
> what i got was  'Server message: Unknown collection "src-all" ' message.
> and later on
>
> Running
> Skipping collection src-all/cvs
> Skipping collection doc-all/cvs
> Shutting down connection to server
> Finished successfully
>
> very strange indeed.
>
> any helps and hints in setting cvsup server would highly be appreciated.

To run cvsupd, you need the whole cvs tree for the collections you're
handling, not just the checked-out files.

Assuming these machines are attached by a protected network, a better
approach (easier, anyway) would probably be to cvsup the changes to
just one machine, then NFS-mount that machine's ports tree from the
other machine.

-- 
Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area
		http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/
From freebsd-questions-local at be-well.ilk.org  Thu Nov  6 07:02:57 2008
From: freebsd-questions-local at be-well.ilk.org (Lowell Gilbert)
Date: Thu Nov  6 07:03:04 2008
Subject: CVSup update nagios-3.0.4_1
In-Reply-To: <c60a46e50811030223m164091cfld125e29b69de7e60@mail.gmail.com>
	(Gian Paolo Buono's message of "Mon\,
	3 Nov 2008 11\:23\:56 +0100")
References: <c60a46e50811030223m164091cfld125e29b69de7e60@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <441vxoj3rz.fsf@be-well.ilk.org>

"Gian Paolo Buono" <gpbuono@gmail.com> writes:

> from web ports I have see   (
> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/ports.cgi?query=nagios-3&stype=all&sektion=all)
> that is relased the version nagios-3.0.4_1 of nagios but I have on my system
> the version nagios-3.0.3.
>
> Now if i try to update nagios from cvsup I run the follow comands:
>
> cd /usr/ports/ ; make update ; make fetchindex
>
> When the upgrade is finished, i run:
> portversion -l '<' -v | grep nagios
>
> but nagios-3.0.4_1 is not present.
>
> This is my /etc/make.conf file:
>
> #############make.conf#################
> CPUTYPE=                i686
> CFLAGS=                 -O -pipe
> INSTALL=                install -C
> SUP_UPDATE=             yes
> SUP=                    /usr/local/bin/cvsup
> SUPFLAGS=               -g -L 2
> SUPHOST=                cvsup18.FreeBSD.org
> SUPFILE=                /usr/share/examples/cvsup/stable-supfile
> PORTSSUPFILE=           /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ports-supfile
> DOCSUPFILE=             /usr/share/examples/cvsup/doc-supfile
> WRKDIRPREFIX=           /var/tmp
> WITHOUT_GNOME=          true
> WANT_OPENSSL_MANPAGES=  true
> MAKE_IDEA=              YES
> WITH_OPTIMIZED_CFLAGS=  yes
> PERL_ARCH=              mach
> NOPERL=                 yo
> NO_PERL=                yo
> NO_PERL_WRAPPER=        yo
> #############make.conf#################
>
>
> cvsup18.FreeBSD.org has not yet updated ? Have you an idea ?

cvsup18 has the latest.  You're obviously having trouble with the
index file, because that (or a database derived therefrom) is what
portversion is looking at to determine what's out of date.

Check the ports-mgmt/nagios/Makefile to be sure it is in fact showing
the new version.

-- 
Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area
		http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/
From lists at jnielsen.net  Thu Nov  6 07:06:16 2008
From: lists at jnielsen.net (John Nielsen)
Date: Thu Nov  6 07:06:23 2008
Subject: Geom multipath
In-Reply-To: <877581.16197.qm@web31702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <877581.16197.qm@web31702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200811061006.13445.lists@jnielsen.net>

On Thursday 06 November 2008 07:13:36 am Ganesh kamath wrote:
> I am trying to get multipath running in freebsd version 7. Are there
> any configuration files that i can tweak with geom multipath?. The
> paths are active/passive to the storage array and i dont seem to have
> control of what path the IO takes, so i was wondering if there are any
> tweaks thati could do to control the flow of IO to a specific path.

Read the manpage. Thoroughly. gmultipath(8). :) There is only one active 
path to any device, and it is the first in the list of devices. You 
specify the device list when you create the provider and it is updated if 
errors occur and when gmultipath labeled devices reappear. I would 
guess/hope that the order would be preserved across a reboot but I'm not 
sure. That type of question might be suitable for the freebsd-geom@ 
mailing list.

> Also, the IO doesnt resume when i try to do some cable pulls and plug
> them back.

If you're not using an mpt or isp disk controller then you have to 
initiate a rescan manually for the device to reappear. See camcontrol 
and/or atacontrol. When the device _does_ reappear it will be inserted at 
the end of the list, so I/O will continue across the alternate path which 
is still first in the list.

JN

From Johan at double-l.nl  Thu Nov  6 07:20:18 2008
From: Johan at double-l.nl (Johan Hendriks)
Date: Thu Nov  6 07:20:25 2008
Subject: CVSup update nagios-3.0.4_1
References: <c60a46e50811030223m164091cfld125e29b69de7e60@mail.gmail.com>
	<441vxoj3rz.fsf@be-well.ilk.org>
Message-ID: <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE222@w2003s01.double-l.local>


>> from web ports I have see   (
>> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/ports.cgi?query=nagios-3&stype=all&sektion=all)
>> that is relased the version nagios-3.0.4_1 of nagios but I have on my system
>> the version nagios-3.0.3.
>>
>> Now if i try to update nagios from cvsup I run the follow comands:
>>
>> cd /usr/ports/ ; make update ; make fetchindex
>>
>> When the upgrade is finished, i run:
>> portversion -l '<' -v | grep nagios
>>
>> but nagios-3.0.4_1 is not present.
>>
>> This is my /etc/make.conf file:
>>
>> #############make.conf#################
>> CPUTYPE=                i686
>> CFLAGS=                 -O -pipe
>> INSTALL=                install -C
>> SUP_UPDATE=             yes
>> SUP=                    /usr/local/bin/cvsup
>> SUPFLAGS=               -g -L 2
>> SUPHOST=                cvsup18.FreeBSD.org
>> SUPFILE=                /usr/share/examples/cvsup/stable-supfile
>> PORTSSUPFILE=           /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ports-supfile
>> DOCSUPFILE=             /usr/share/examples/cvsup/doc-supfile
>> WRKDIRPREFIX=           /var/tmp
>> WITHOUT_GNOME=          true
>> WANT_OPENSSL_MANPAGES=  true
>> MAKE_IDEA=              YES
>> WITH_OPTIMIZED_CFLAGS=  yes
>> PERL_ARCH=              mach
>> NOPERL=                 yo
>> NO_PERL=                yo
>> NO_PERL_WRAPPER=        yo
>> #############make.conf#################
>>
>>
>> cvsup18.FreeBSD.org has not yet updated ? Have you an idea ?

>cvsup18 has the latest.  You're obviously having trouble with the
>index file, because that (or a database derived therefrom) is what
>portversion is looking at to determine what's out of date.

>Check the ports-mgmt/nagios/Makefile to be sure it is in fact showing
>the new version.

I had the same thing, the makefile has the latest, butpkg_version did not detect the new nagios.
What I did was going to /usr/port/net-mgmt/nagios
And did a:
 make FORCE_PKG_REGISTER=yes install clean
It installed nagios 3.0.4

Regards,
Johan Hendriks

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From Ludovit_Koren at tempest.sk  Thu Nov  6 07:27:54 2008
From: Ludovit_Koren at tempest.sk (Ludovit Koren)
Date: Thu Nov  6 07:28:01 2008
Subject: Kismet on FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE
In-Reply-To: <3a142e750811060412q4e145d93le221f46e1df9f3a8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081106.114846.107247756.koren@tempest.sk>
	<3a142e750811060412q4e145d93le221f46e1df9f3a8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081106.162758.241905169.koren@tempest.sk>


>>>>> On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:12:23 +0100
>>>>> onemda@gmail.com("Paul B. Mahol")  said:
> 
> On 11/6/08, Ludovit Koren <Ludovit_Koren@tempest.sk> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am using
> >
> > iwi0: <Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200BG> mem 0xfafef000-0xfafeffff irq 9 at
> > device 3.0 on pci2
> >
> >
> > # kldload /boot/kernel/if_iwi.ko
> > # kldload /boot/kernel/iwi_bss.ko
> > # kldload /boot/kernel/iwi_ibss.ko
> > # kldload /boot/kernel/iwi_monitor.ko
> > # /etc/rc.d/wpa_supplicant start iwi0
> >
> > which is working fine when I am using it connecting to WiFi net. When
> > I am using wpa_cli scan and scan_results I can see different nets.
> >
> > I have the following configuration line in the kismet.conf file:
> >
> > source=radiotap_bsd_ab,iwi0,pcapfile
> 
> It should be:
> 
> source=radiotap_bsd_ab,iwi0,iwi0

I tried it even with this, no success

> 
> More information is required. Can you put iwi0 into monitor mode and
> use tcpdump instead?
> 
> ifconfig iwi0 monitor
> 

I cannot capture any packet.

lk
From fbsd.questions at rachie.is-a-geek.net  Thu Nov  6 07:36:21 2008
From: fbsd.questions at rachie.is-a-geek.net (Mel)
Date: Thu Nov  6 07:36:28 2008
Subject: CVSup update nagios-3.0.4_1
In-Reply-To: <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE222@w2003s01.double-l.local>
References: <c60a46e50811030223m164091cfld125e29b69de7e60@mail.gmail.com>
	<441vxoj3rz.fsf@be-well.ilk.org>
	<57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE222@w2003s01.double-l.local>
Message-ID: <200811061636.04593.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net>

On Thursday 06 November 2008 16:20:13 Johan Hendriks wrote:

> >> cd /usr/ports/ ; make update ; make fetchindex
> >>
> >> When the upgrade is finished, i run:
> >> portversion -l '<' -v | grep nagios
> >>
> >> but nagios-3.0.4_1 is not present.

[cut make.conf]

> >cvsup18 has the latest.  You're obviously having trouble with the
> >index file, because that (or a database derived therefrom) is what
> >portversion is looking at to determine what's out of date.
> >
> >Check the ports-mgmt/nagios/Makefile to be sure it is in fact showing
> >the new version.
>
> I had the same thing, the makefile has the latest, butpkg_version did not
> detect the new nagios. What I did was going to /usr/port/net-mgmt/nagios
> And did a:
>  make FORCE_PKG_REGISTER=yes install clean
> It installed nagios 3.0.4

Lowell is correct. You need to run `portsdb -uU' after any modification of the 
ports tree for the portupgrade tools to see new versions.

-- 
Mel

Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules
    and never get to the software part.
From onemda at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 07:54:26 2008
From: onemda at gmail.com (Paul B. Mahol)
Date: Thu Nov  6 07:54:33 2008
Subject: Kismet on FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE
In-Reply-To: <20081106.162758.241905169.koren@tempest.sk>
References: <20081106.114846.107247756.koren@tempest.sk>
	<3a142e750811060412q4e145d93le221f46e1df9f3a8@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081106.162758.241905169.koren@tempest.sk>
Message-ID: <3a142e750811060754s37ec0ef2v4babbf2420757d0e@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/6/08, Ludovit Koren <Ludovit_Koren@tempest.sk> wrote:
>
>>>>>> On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:12:23 +0100
>>>>>> onemda@gmail.com("Paul B. Mahol")  said:
>>
>> On 11/6/08, Ludovit Koren <Ludovit_Koren@tempest.sk> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I am using
>> >
>> > iwi0: <Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200BG> mem 0xfafef000-0xfafeffff irq 9 at
>> > device 3.0 on pci2
>> >
>> >
>> > # kldload /boot/kernel/if_iwi.ko
>> > # kldload /boot/kernel/iwi_bss.ko
>> > # kldload /boot/kernel/iwi_ibss.ko
>> > # kldload /boot/kernel/iwi_monitor.ko
>> > # /etc/rc.d/wpa_supplicant start iwi0
>> >
>> > which is working fine when I am using it connecting to WiFi net. When
>> > I am using wpa_cli scan and scan_results I can see different nets.
>> >
>> > I have the following configuration line in the kismet.conf file:
>> >
>> > source=radiotap_bsd_ab,iwi0,pcapfile
>>
>> It should be:
>>
>> source=radiotap_bsd_ab,iwi0,iwi0
>
> I tried it even with this, no success
>
>>
>> More information is required. Can you put iwi0 into monitor mode and
>> use tcpdump instead?
>>
>> ifconfig iwi0 monitor
>>
>
> I cannot capture any packet.

Then it is iwi driver problem.
From Pieter.Donche at ua.ac.be  Thu Nov  6 08:03:05 2008
From: Pieter.Donche at ua.ac.be (Pieter Donche)
Date: Thu Nov  6 08:03:11 2008
Subject: Hardware Raid + hot-replace failed disk
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.63.0811061122190.29135@hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be>
References: <d05df8620810291007y3d18e5b8g8674477f1f00d810@mail.gmail.com>
	<geug4k$dnt$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<Pine.GSO.4.63.0811061122190.29135@hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.63.0811061656130.1630@hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be>

Suppose you have a system with multiple disks managed by a
hardware RAID controller in a RAID5 of RAID6 configuration,

To FreeBSD it will look like e.g. a single large drive.

If you want to extend your disk space by plugging in an extra
disk, the hardware RAID controller will probably detect it and
add it in his management, but will it be seen by FreeBSD?

How can you make the added disk-space available for FreeBSD.
Can this be done without shutting down the system? How??

From jhfoo-ml at extracktor.com  Thu Nov  6 08:10:41 2008
From: jhfoo-ml at extracktor.com (Foo JH)
Date: Thu Nov  6 08:10:50 2008
Subject: what is your programming language on freebsd?
Message-ID: <49131701.9020208@extracktor.com>

Hi there,

Earlier I was asking for some help getting XSP/ mod_mono on FreeBSD. I
may be asking in the wrong mailing list, but my impression is that mono
on FreeBSD is generally not a popular idea.

To pose my questions to the developers in the FreeBSD community:
1. What programming language(s) do you deploy on FreeBSD?
2. Is FreeBSD more optimised in performance for any particular language?
3. Is FreeBSD even a popular choice as a development platform, or is it
better suited as a special-purpose OS (eg. mail server, DNS server)?

Thanks.
From jerrymc at msu.edu  Thu Nov  6 08:35:12 2008
From: jerrymc at msu.edu (Jerry McAllister)
Date: Thu Nov  6 08:35:19 2008
Subject: what is your programming language on freebsd?
In-Reply-To: <49131701.9020208@extracktor.com>
References: <49131701.9020208@extracktor.com>
Message-ID: <20081106163134.GD43844@gizmo.acns.msu.edu>

On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 12:10:41AM +0800, Foo JH wrote:

> Hi there,
> 
> Earlier I was asking for some help getting XSP/ mod_mono on FreeBSD. I
> may be asking in the wrong mailing list, but my impression is that mono
> on FreeBSD is generally not a popular idea.
> 
> To pose my questions to the developers in the FreeBSD community:
> 1. What programming language(s) do you deploy on FreeBSD?
> 2. Is FreeBSD more optimised in performance for any particular language?
> 3. Is FreeBSD even a popular choice as a development platform, or is it
> better suited as a special-purpose OS (eg. mail server, DNS server)?

FreeBSD suppports just about any programming language that has
been created.     If you go to /usr/ports/lang/   you will see
a large list of them that you can install.

As for the most common, well, C and C++, Shells such as SH, CSH/TCSH
and Perl are very common, plus in conjunction with web servers such
as Apache, PHP, Python, Ruby and a number of others are common.
If you are doing number crunching, you can use FORTRAN and if you
are in to historical business environments, there is even Cobol.

As for being optimized for a language, it is more likely the other
way around.  Are there any languages that have good optimization
for running on FreeBSD.   Maybe.   Someone else may know more about
that, than I do.

////jerry

> 
> Thanks.
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From kirk at strauser.com  Thu Nov  6 08:36:48 2008
From: kirk at strauser.com (Kirk Strauser)
Date: Thu Nov  6 08:36:55 2008
Subject: Ideal SCSI adapter for me?
Message-ID: <200811061036.26693.kirk@strauser.com>

I have a FreeBSD 7/amd64 system with a newly incompatible SCSI adapter (see 
kern/128452 for details).  I want to switch to a card that's still supported 
but don't want to spend an arm and a leg since its whole purpose in live will 
be to connect my UW-SCSI tape drive.  Any recommendations for cheap, minimal 
cards that are known to work well with recent FreeBSD releases?
-- 
Kirk Strauser
From freebsd at edvax.de  Thu Nov  6 09:21:43 2008
From: freebsd at edvax.de (Polytropon)
Date: Thu Nov  6 09:21:51 2008
Subject: Ideal SCSI adapter for me?
In-Reply-To: <200811061036.26693.kirk@strauser.com>
References: <200811061036.26693.kirk@strauser.com>
Message-ID: <20081106182140.b5b3be9a.freebsd@edvax.de>

On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:36:26 -0600, Kirk Strauser <kirk@strauser.com> wrote:
> I have a FreeBSD 7/amd64 system with a newly incompatible SCSI adapter (see 
> kern/128452 for details).  I want to switch to a card that's still supported 
> but don't want to spend an arm and a leg since its whole purpose in live will 
> be to connect my UW-SCSI tape drive.  Any recommendations for cheap, minimal 
> cards that are known to work well with recent FreeBSD releases?

I had used an Adaptec 2940 U/W PCI SCSI controller to connect a
tape drive, no problems; the ahc driver (from vers. 4 up to 7)
worked well. It would even run a scanner, a JAZ drive, a CD-ROM
drive and a PD drive (if anyone still knows what this is), as
well as different hard disks.



-- 
Polytropon
>From Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
From rsmith at xs4all.nl  Thu Nov  6 09:28:23 2008
From: rsmith at xs4all.nl (Roland Smith)
Date: Thu Nov  6 09:28:33 2008
Subject: what is your programming language on freebsd?
In-Reply-To: <49131701.9020208@extracktor.com>
References: <49131701.9020208@extracktor.com>
Message-ID: <20081106172818.GA39709@slackbox.xs4all.nl>

On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 12:10:41AM +0800, Foo JH wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> Earlier I was asking for some help getting XSP/ mod_mono on FreeBSD. I
> may be asking in the wrong mailing list, but my impression is that mono
> on FreeBSD is generally not a popular idea.

As a re-implementation of microsofts .NET, I personally wouldn't touch
it with a ten foot pole. Although some parts are an ECMA "standard", as
a developer you can never be sure that microsoft won't hit you with a
patent lawsuit if they perceive you as treading on their
turf. Experience has taught the microsoft cannot be trusted.

> To pose my questions to the developers in the FreeBSD community:
> 1. What programming language(s) do you deploy on FreeBSD?

See all the ports in /usr/ports/lang. For systems programming or if
speed is of the essence, I use C. For scripting the standard Bourne
Shell (sh) is still OK. For massaging large quantities of text, Perl
still works very well, and there is a huge number of modules (libraries)
available.  Lua is becoming a new personal favorite of mine for
scripts. It is fast, small and easy. 

> 2. Is FreeBSD more optimised in performance for any particular language?

No. Performance of scripting languages is usually not a big problem
anymore because of the increased speed of new computers. And it depends
more on the interpreter of the language in question than on the host
OS. Of course compiled languages can run faster than interpreted ones.

> 3. Is FreeBSD even a popular choice as a development platform, or is it
> better suited as a special-purpose OS (eg. mail server, DNS server)?

There is no big difference between FreeBSD and Linux here. Pretty much
everything that runs on Linux runs on FreeBSD as well. Both are a pretty
popular development platforms, e.g. for web apps. Think PHP, Ruby on
Rails etc. 

Roland
-- 
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From jmc-freebsd2 at milibyte.co.uk  Thu Nov  6 10:13:48 2008
From: jmc-freebsd2 at milibyte.co.uk (Mike Clarke)
Date: Thu Nov  6 10:14:42 2008
Subject: Openoffice 3.0.0 - spellchecker not functioning
Message-ID: <200811061813.45150.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk>

I've installed en-openoffice.org-GB-3.0.0 from ports on my 6.4-RC1 
system. The install, using the command  
portinstall  -m "LOCALIZED_LANG=en-GB -DWITH_KDE" 
editors/openoffice.org-3, appeared to complete OK and I can 
run /usr/local/bin/openoffice.org-3.0.0-swriter but attempts to check 
spelling in a document with known spelling errors always fail to find 
any errors.

The "Available language modules" section in Tools - Options - Language 
Settings - Writing Aids" is empty, unlike my copy of Openoffice 2.3 
which has 3 entries in this section.

Should the language modules have been installed or have I missed 
anything when installing the port?

-- 
Mike Clarke
From mdh_lists at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  6 10:28:01 2008
From: mdh_lists at yahoo.com (mdh)
Date: Thu Nov  6 10:28:09 2008
Subject: what is your programming language on freebsd?
In-Reply-To: <49131701.9020208@extracktor.com>
Message-ID: <380823.1926.qm@web56806.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

--- On Thu, 11/6/08, Foo JH <jhfoo-ml@extracktor.com> wrote:
> From: Foo JH <jhfoo-ml@extracktor.com>
> Subject: what is your programming language on freebsd?
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 11:10 AM
> Hi there,
> 
> Earlier I was asking for some help getting XSP/ mod_mono on
> FreeBSD. I
> may be asking in the wrong mailing list, but my impression
> is that mono
> on FreeBSD is generally not a popular idea.

I am not sure what leads you to believe that.  Mono in general isn't as popular as, say, GNU's compiler collection.  That said, it runs just fine on FreeBSD.  There are motivated folks working to get more ports added, such as for monodevelop.  

There's a google group for this, though, it's called bsd-sharp.  You may want to try there if you have problems related to Mono on FreeBSD and there aren't any helpful answers forthcoming on the seemingly-appropriate freebsd.org list.  

> 
> To pose my questions to the developers in the FreeBSD
> community:
> 1. What programming language(s) do you deploy on FreeBSD?

I've worked with C, Perl, C# (mono), and Ruby.  

There are very few programming languages that you can't use to write code that is intended to run on FreeBSD.  Most of these are anachronistic languages that no longer serve a useful purpose on any reasonably modern system, having been defunct for 20 or more years.  

> 2. Is FreeBSD more optimised in performance for any
> particular language?

No more than any other OS.  Some languages may be better optimized than others, but you can't really optimize an OS to a language.  

> 3. Is FreeBSD even a popular choice as a development
> platform, or is it
> better suited as a special-purpose OS (eg. mail server, DNS
> server)?

FreeBSD is a fine development platform.  In fact, it offers some things that developers like that other systems don't have.  kqueue is very nice, and there are also little things such as the reallocf() function that are helpful as well.  

- mdh



      
From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl  Thu Nov  6 12:56:07 2008
From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar)
Date: Thu Nov  6 12:56:13 2008
Subject: Ideal SCSI adapter for me?
In-Reply-To: <200811061036.26693.kirk@strauser.com>
References: <200811061036.26693.kirk@strauser.com>
Message-ID: <20081106215515.N28070@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>

> I have a FreeBSD 7/amd64 system with a newly incompatible SCSI adapter (see
> kern/128452 for details).  I want to switch to a card that's still supported
> but don't want to spend an arm and a leg since its whole purpose in live will
> be to connect my UW-SCSI tape drive.  Any recommendations for cheap, minimal
> cards that are known to work well with recent FreeBSD releases?

any used adaptec or symbios logic will work for sure.

in Poland UW-SCSI adapters are for <20$ used :)
From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl  Thu Nov  6 13:01:46 2008
From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar)
Date: Thu Nov  6 13:01:53 2008
Subject: Hardware Raid + hot-replace failed disk
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.63.0811061656130.1630@hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be>
References: <d05df8620810291007y3d18e5b8g8674477f1f00d810@mail.gmail.com>
	<geug4k$dnt$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<Pine.GSO.4.63.0811061122190.29135@hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be>
	<Pine.GSO.4.63.0811061656130.1630@hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be>
Message-ID: <20081106215647.A28070@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>

> Suppose you have a system with multiple disks managed by a
> hardware RAID controller in a RAID5 of RAID6 configuration,

what is "RAID5 of RAID6"???

>
> To FreeBSD it will look like e.g. a single large drive.
>
> If you want to extend your disk space by plugging in an extra
> disk, the hardware RAID controller will probably detect it and
> add it in his management, but will it be seen by FreeBSD?

FreeBSD will see larger drive.

you then have to fix partition table (use bsdlabel -e)

fix c partition to be actually sized of whole drive, and then

a) add new partition(s) for new space
b) extend the size of last partition and use growfs

> How can you make the added disk-space available for FreeBSD.
> Can this be done without shutting down the system? How??

i don't think FreeBSD can be told to reget device info from controller 
when partitions of that device are mounted. but i may be wrong
From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl  Thu Nov  6 13:03:16 2008
From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar)
Date: Thu Nov  6 13:03:23 2008
Subject: what is your programming language on freebsd?
In-Reply-To: <49131701.9020208@extracktor.com>
References: <49131701.9020208@extracktor.com>
Message-ID: <20081106220151.N28070@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>

> may be asking in the wrong mailing list, but my impression is that mono
> on FreeBSD is generally not a popular idea.
>
> To pose my questions to the developers in the FreeBSD community:
> 1. What programming language(s) do you deploy on FreeBSD?

whatever i need. i personally use mostly C.

> 2. Is FreeBSD more optimised in performance for any particular language?

i don't think so.

> 3. Is FreeBSD even a popular choice as a development platform, or is it
> better suited as a special-purpose OS (eg. mail server, DNS server)?

i don't know how popular it is for what tasks. but it works excellent for 
all you specified. it's unix anyway.
From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl  Thu Nov  6 13:06:28 2008
From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar)
Date: Thu Nov  6 13:06:34 2008
Subject: what is your programming language on freebsd?
In-Reply-To: <20081106172818.GA39709@slackbox.xs4all.nl>
References: <49131701.9020208@extracktor.com>
	<20081106172818.GA39709@slackbox.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <20081106220335.Q28070@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>

>> on FreeBSD is generally not a popular idea.
>
> As a re-implementation of microsofts .NET, I personally wouldn't touch
> it with a ten foot pole. Although some parts are an ECMA "standard", as
> a developer you can never be sure that microsoft won't hit you with a
> patent lawsuit if they perceive you as treading on their
> turf. Experience has taught the microsoft cannot be trusted.

as all "portable" things microsoft created will actually work completely 
only in windows. anyway - i don't see any sense in using it if you are not 
forced to use windows.

if you are - it would be better to use windows for that.

>> 2. Is FreeBSD more optimised in performance for any particular language?
>
> No. Performance of scripting languages is usually not a big problem
> anymore because of the increased speed of new computers. And it depends

scripting language are not made to be fast running, but to "mix" many 
other programs to get result fast and easy.

> more on the interpreter of the language in question than on the host
> OS. Of course compiled languages can run faster than interpreted ones.

as on every OS.

From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl  Thu Nov  6 13:09:33 2008
From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar)
Date: Thu Nov  6 13:09:40 2008
Subject: hit some FS/slice size limit?
In-Reply-To: <4913008F.6010106@kukulies.org>
References: <4913008F.6010106@kukulies.org>
Message-ID: <20081106220731.B28070@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>

> I partitioned my Seagate 500 GB Sata drive  under the FreeBSD 7.1 sysinstall 
> (booted from the install CD while having the drive attached to USB on my 
> notebook). When creating the filesystems I chose 472 G for the / partition 
> (wanted to put everything into one partition - yeah, I know, one should

no - it's actually the best choice - one partition+swap, or no swap on 
modern machines with many GB RAM.

> granulate this finer, but I didn' t want to bother right now). I got told 
> that it could not create the slice
> (too big? it said). Hmm, is there some limit on a FreeBSD slice size?

no idea. i don't use slices because my FreeBSD drives doesn't need to 
interoperate with DOS/Windoze.

i never use sysinstall too :), simply use disklabel without making slices, 
make partitions and go on.

my largest "drive" (gstripe) was 3TB, works fine with bsdlabel and UFS
From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl  Thu Nov  6 13:10:36 2008
From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar)
Date: Thu Nov  6 13:10:44 2008
Subject: Setting up gmirror
In-Reply-To: <geugde$eu6$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <48FE709D.9080907@telus.net> <geugde$eu6$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <20081106221010.J28070@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>

>
>> What are the considerations in choosing between "load", "prefer", 
>> "round-robin", and "split" balance algorithms?
>
> "load" is currently not good at high loads, pr's pending...
>

so change it to round-robin?
From fbsd.questions at rachie.is-a-geek.net  Thu Nov  6 13:28:30 2008
From: fbsd.questions at rachie.is-a-geek.net (Mel)
Date: Thu Nov  6 13:28:37 2008
Subject: Hardware Raid + hot-replace failed disk
In-Reply-To: <20081106215647.A28070@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
References: <d05df8620810291007y3d18e5b8g8674477f1f00d810@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.63.0811061656130.1630@hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be>
	<20081106215647.A28070@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
Message-ID: <200811062228.27821.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net>

On Thursday 06 November 2008 22:01:39 Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> > Suppose you have a system with multiple disks managed by a
> > hardware RAID controller in a RAID5 of RAID6 configuration,
>
> what is "RAID5 of RAID6"???

'of' is 'or' in dutch, common typo for dutch or flemish people.

-- 
Mel

Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules
    and never get to the software part.
From jerrymc at msu.edu  Thu Nov  6 14:15:08 2008
From: jerrymc at msu.edu (Jerry McAllister)
Date: Thu Nov  6 14:15:18 2008
Subject: hit some FS/slice size limit?
In-Reply-To: <20081106220731.B28070@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
References: <4913008F.6010106@kukulies.org>
	<20081106220731.B28070@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
Message-ID: <20081106221133.GB45532@gizmo.acns.msu.edu>

On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 10:09:25PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:

> >I partitioned my Seagate 500 GB Sata drive  under the FreeBSD 7.1 
> >sysinstall (booted from the install CD while having the drive attached to 
> >USB on my notebook). When creating the filesystems I chose 472 G for the / 
> >partition (wanted to put everything into one partition - yeah, I know, one 
> >should
> 
> no - it's actually the best choice - one partition+swap, or no swap on 
> modern machines with many GB RAM.

Remember, "best" depends on cirsumstance and need.  It is definitely
not best for all.   But, it works well for some.

It is usually good to separate OS from services and data, but not always.
It is also often helpful to divide things in to manageable sized chunks,
but that is not always meaningful.

////jerry

> 
> >granulate this finer, but I didn' t want to bother right now). I got told 
> >that it could not create the slice
> >(too big? it said). Hmm, is there some limit on a FreeBSD slice size?
> 
> no idea. i don't use slices because my FreeBSD drives doesn't need to 
> interoperate with DOS/Windoze.
> 
> i never use sysinstall too :), simply use disklabel without making slices, 
> make partitions and go on.
> 
> my largest "drive" (gstripe) was 3TB, works fine with bsdlabel and UFS
> _______________________________________________
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From harm at weites.com  Thu Nov  6 14:31:54 2008
From: harm at weites.com (Harm Weites)
Date: Thu Nov  6 14:32:08 2008
Subject: flexible install.cfg url from kernel parameters
Message-ID: <1226006309.3180.27.camel@laptop>

Hi all,

in an effort to create a jumpstart/kickstart-like environment for easy
OS deployment i, ofcourse, ran into install.cfg for FreeBSD. It works
great, but since it requires a modified image (with an inserted
install.cfg file) it's not a great option. It even needs a BSD box or
CentOS with plus kernel to access the ufs filesystem inside the image...

Is there any effort beeing done to allow for a more convenient way to
load the install.cfg? Say, like linux does with kickstart/preseed files?
Just fill in some weblocation as kernel parameter and you're done :)

I would suspect this beeing coded in sysinstall somewhere, or perhaps
init?

Any suggestions/help is appreciated.

Regards

Harm

From cpghost at cordula.ws  Thu Nov  6 15:10:45 2008
From: cpghost at cordula.ws (cpghost)
Date: Thu Nov  6 15:10:52 2008
Subject: what is your programming language on freebsd?
In-Reply-To: <20081106220335.Q28070@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
References: <49131701.9020208@extracktor.com>
	<20081106172818.GA39709@slackbox.xs4all.nl>
	<20081106220335.Q28070@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
Message-ID: <20081106231201.GA54707@phenom.cordula.ws>

On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 10:06:15PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> >> 2. Is FreeBSD more optimised in performance for any particular language?
> >
> > No. Performance of scripting languages is usually not a big problem
> > anymore because of the increased speed of new computers. And it depends
> 
> scripting language are not made to be fast running, but to "mix" many 
> other programs to get result fast and easy.

Most scripting languages can be used in hybrid environments, and will
be pretty fast if they call compiled functions for CPU-intensive
tasks.

As an example: in Python, you can call compiled functions in dynamic
libraries directly with the ctypes module; no need to recompile
anything directly. Alternatively or in addition to this, just write
your own extension module in C/Python either manually, or with code
generators like SWIG to optimize CPU bottlenecks or call into / link
against other compiled code.

Hybrid systems are usually very fast to set up, yet don't
significantly sacrifice speed. Ever used numpy, scipy etc. with
optimized C and FORTRAN libraries (ATLAS, FFTW3 etc.) in Python for
big numeric computations? Works like a charm and is pretty fast too.

-cpghost.

-- 
Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/
From kline at thought.org  Thu Nov  6 15:56:33 2008
From: kline at thought.org (Gary Kline)
Date: Thu Nov  6 15:56:40 2008
Subject: console locked again:: load over 2.00
In-Reply-To: <20081105195320.GA35044@slackbox.xs4all.nl>
References: <20081105194506.GA18676@thought.org>
	<20081105195320.GA35044@slackbox.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <20081106235624.GA15686@thought.org>

On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 08:53:20PM +0100, Roland Smith wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 11:45:10AM -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
> > 
> > Hey guys,
> > 
> > Any ideas *why* my load is so high when my desktop wasn't touched for
> > 9, 10 hours?  I was running mostly KDE3 konsoles, and had a few other
> > processes going, the apps iconisized.  The server is still running;
> > I've killed everything I can think of to reduce the load.  It may be
> > that the screen won't come back if the load is > 1.00.  I'm upgrading
> > my kernel to see if *that* has any effect.  O/wise, I'm out of ideas.
> 
> Try leaving 'top -SI' running in a console window. That should tell you what
> the culprit is.
> 

	Looks like gnome-xscreensaver went nutso after several hours.  This
	morning I found my FreeBSD screen about a third full of green and yellow
	"fuzz" or "blur."  This time, I KVM'd over to ubuntu and did a shutdown
	and reboot at once; then killed the screen saver after getting back into
	KDE3.

	I was just listening to KMplayer and watching sites with required kde-gnash.
	When I Closed[*] the sites and killed the newscast, my load was still > 1.50
	so I did a killall of the kde-gnash.  Needs to be some way of controlling
	the number of kde-gnashes that are spawned.  After the killall, xload
	shows my load back down to practically nothing.

	--Still having trouble with *firefox* + flash, but that's another 
	rat's nest.....

	gary

	[*] iconizied


> Roland
> -- 
> R.F.Smith                                   http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/
> [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated]
> pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914  B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725)



-- 
 Gary Kline  kline@thought.org  http://www.thought.org  Public Service Unix
        http://jottings.thought.org   http://transfinite.thought.org


From shinjii at maydias.com  Thu Nov  6 14:12:17 2008
From: shinjii at maydias.com (Warren Liddell)
Date: Thu Nov  6 17:05:38 2008
Subject: Kopete + MSN
Message-ID: <49136BDA.6070204@maydias.com>

Im using FreeBSD7.1-PreRelease & KDE 4.1.3, with Kopete 0.60.3

Wondering when the MSN protocol is going to work again along with yahoo? 
Im presently having to run 2 seperate ports to connect to both of these 
when Kopete generally is meant to do both.

Any ideas//suggestions welcome.
From pathfinder07 at embarqmail.com  Thu Nov  6 17:05:10 2008
From: pathfinder07 at embarqmail.com (SAM HAYNES)
Date: Thu Nov  6 17:35:55 2008
Subject: (no subject)
Message-ID: <49138F93.3040300@embarqmail.com>

Greetings, O Learned Ones
from:  Sam Haynes, Pathfinders 2008

I haven't the foggiest as to how you came to be in my favorites list, 
other than that I probably tagged you in an ongoing search for both or 
either something to replace Win XP  and or build my own personal server.

I have been usining XP for several years now.  Recently, I tried to 
install XP from my OEM cd and was notified by Gates and Company that XP 
would no longer be supported. Bummer! So what else is new?  Time to part 
company with Bill? Vista was tha final straw.

I need something that will replace XP in all the essentials but without 
a useless bag full of coverups for poor performance..

Debian was the first encouraging encounter. It was recommended as a 
cheap entry into the personal server concept, using a two to three year 
old PC chassis. Sounded good but I could never figure out just how to 
download it.

So, FreeBSD appears in my fave list and server appears in the same 
paragraph as operating system.  Here is my plan.

I am 76, a retired Master Electrician, PC builder since '87, have a wife 
of 40 plus years, debilitating medical problems and a strong belief that 
I can milk a living out of internet affiliate marketing despite the 
current economic crisis.

My current model is to generate a basic website, use my existing isp to 
promote two consistent converting products, bootstrap the proceeds from 
that into building my own dedicated server to market 'how-to' products 
over a hundred or more websites.

All using ready to serve apps and a WYSIWYG HTML  generator.

I appreciate your time reading this over long monologue... I'd 
appreciate it even more if you could take some time to throw some 
suggestions back at me..

Thanks,

Sam I Am, PATHFINDERS 2008

From jerrymc at msu.edu  Thu Nov  6 18:09:56 2008
From: jerrymc at msu.edu (Jerry McAllister)
Date: Thu Nov  6 18:10:03 2008
Subject: (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <49138F93.3040300@embarqmail.com>
References: <49138F93.3040300@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081107020620.GA46646@gizmo.acns.msu.edu>

On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 07:45:07PM -0500, SAM HAYNES wrote:

> Greetings, O Learned Ones
> from:  Sam Haynes, Pathfinders 2008
> 
> I haven't the foggiest as to how you came to be in my favorites list, 
> other than that I probably tagged you in an ongoing search for both or 
> either something to replace Win XP  and or build my own personal server.
> 
> I have been usining XP for several years now.  Recently, I tried to 
> install XP from my OEM cd and was notified by Gates and Company that XP 
> would no longer be supported. Bummer! So what else is new?  Time to part 
> company with Bill? Vista was tha final straw.
> 
> I need something that will replace XP in all the essentials but without 
> a useless bag full of coverups for poor performance..
> 
> Debian was the first encouraging encounter. It was recommended as a 
> cheap entry into the personal server concept, using a two to three year 
> old PC chassis. Sounded good but I could never figure out just how to 
> download it.
> 
> So, FreeBSD appears in my fave list and server appears in the same 
> paragraph as operating system.  Here is my plan.
> 
> I am 76, a retired Master Electrician, PC builder since '87, have a wife 
> of 40 plus years, debilitating medical problems and a strong belief that 
> I can milk a living out of internet affiliate marketing despite the 
> current economic crisis.
> 
> My current model is to generate a basic website, use my existing isp to 
> promote two consistent converting products, bootstrap the proceeds from 
> that into building my own dedicated server to market 'how-to' products 
> over a hundred or more websites.
> 
> All using ready to serve apps and a WYSIWYG HTML  generator.
> 
> I appreciate your time reading this over long monologue... I'd 
> appreciate it even more if you could take some time to throw some 
> suggestions back at me..

Well, you have to judge if your product has legs for the market place.
But, FreeBSD would be a very good platform to host your server
if you choose to go ahead with doing this.

FreeBSD is quite different from MS-Win stuff.    I would advise
finding some space on a machine and installing and using it for
a bit to get past the initial learning curve - which can be
quite steep for a person whose main background is in MS-Win.
But, once you get the hang of it you will begin to see the
advantages.   FreeBSD expects you to actually manage it.  It is
not a handholding or keep-its-distance-from-the-user type of
system like MS-Win or even MAC-OSen.    You can get right down to
the bits if you want or need.   But, there are very good tools
and documentation (once you get used to the stule) that will make
it all work just fine.

////jerry    
  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Sam I Am, PATHFINDERS 2008
> 
> _______________________________________________
> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
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From mike.jeays at rogers.com  Thu Nov  6 18:34:41 2008
From: mike.jeays at rogers.com (Mike Jeays)
Date: Thu Nov  6 18:34:47 2008
Subject: Firewire problem
Message-ID: <200811062107.58367.mike.jeays@rogers.com>

I bought a PCI/Firewire card and cable, and used it to connect my Sony PV-GS80 
camcorder, which uses MiniDV tapes and has a Firewire socket.  I get the 
following messages in /var/log/messages, which suggest the Firewire card may 
be a bad one.

# Turn camera on
Nov  6 20:40:00 pcbsd kernel: fwohci0: txd err= 0 No stat
Nov  6 20:40:00 pcbsd kernel: firewire0: 2 nodes, maxhop <= 1, cable IRM = 1
Nov  6 20:40:01 pcbsd kernel: fwohci0: unrecoverable error
Nov  6 20:40:01 pcbsd kernel: fwohci0: BUS reset
Nov  6 20:40:01 pcbsd kernel: fwohci0: node_id=0x8800ffc0, gen=3, non 
CYCLEMASTER mode
Nov  6 20:40:01 pcbsd kernel: fwohci0: txd err= 0 No stat
Nov  6 20:40:01 pcbsd kernel: firewire0: 2 nodes, maxhop <= 1, cable IRM = 1
Nov  6 20:40:01 pcbsd kernel: fwohci0: unrecoverable error

# Try running kino
Nov  6 20:40:56 pcbsd kernel: pid 8206 (kino), uid 1001: exited on signal 11

# Turn camera off
Nov  6 20:46:21 pcbsd kernel: fwohci0: too many cycle lost, no cycle master 
presents?
Nov  6 20:46:21 pcbsd kernel: fwohci0: BUS reset
Nov  6 20:46:21 pcbsd kernel: fwohci0: node_id=0xc800ffc0, gen=4, CYCLEMASTER 
mode
Nov  6 20:46:21 pcbsd kernel: firewire0: 1 nodes, maxhop <= 0, cable IRM = 0 
(me)
Nov  6 20:46:21 pcbsd kernel: firewire0: bus manager 0 (me)
Nov  6 20:46:21 pcbsd kernel: fwohci0: unrecoverable error
Nov  6 20:46:21 pcbsd kernel: fw_xfer_free FWXF_START

Kino segfaults when I press the 'Capture' button.

This is with PC-BSD 7.0 on a test machine.  I have a similar lack of success 
on a Linux machine, with the same card.

Should I buy a new card, or is there anything else worth trying first?
-- 
Mike Jeays
http://www.jeays.ca
From fbsd1 at a1poweruser.com  Thu Nov  6 17:39:39 2008
From: fbsd1 at a1poweruser.com (FBSD1)
Date: Thu Nov  6 18:48:28 2008
Subject: recommendation word processer for xfce
Message-ID: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBKEJOCMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>

Looking for word processer that runs on xfce and can output document in
ms/word format.

Thanks for your help.

From mdh_lists at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  6 18:50:14 2008
From: mdh_lists at yahoo.com (mdh)
Date: Thu Nov  6 18:53:42 2008
Subject: recommendation word processer for xfce
In-Reply-To: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBKEJOCMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>
Message-ID: <185614.77634.qm@web56805.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

OpenOffice.org 3.  There's a port.  

- mdh

--- On Thu, 11/6/08, FBSD1 <fbsd1@a1poweruser.com> wrote:
> From: FBSD1 <fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>
> Subject: recommendation word processer for xfce
> To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD. ORG" <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
> Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 8:40 PM
> Looking for word processer that runs on xfce and can output
> document in
> ms/word format.
> 
> Thanks for your help.



      
From fbsd1 at a1poweruser.com  Thu Nov  6 19:01:17 2008
From: fbsd1 at a1poweruser.com (FBSD1)
Date: Thu Nov  6 19:01:25 2008
Subject: recommendation word processer for xfce
In-Reply-To: <185614.77634.qm@web56805.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBOEJPCMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>

	I looked at OpenOffice but there is no package of it since freebsd release
6 stable.
	It takes a very very long time to compile this port.

-----Original Message-----
From: mdh [mailto:mdh_lists@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 10:50 AM
To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD. ORG; fbsd1@a1poweruser.com
Subject: Re: recommendation word processer for xfce

OpenOffice.org 3.  There's a port.

- mdh

--- On Thu, 11/6/08, FBSD1 <fbsd1@a1poweruser.com> wrote:
> From: FBSD1 <fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>
> Subject: recommendation word processer for xfce
> To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD. ORG" <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
> Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 8:40 PM
> Looking for word processer that runs on xfce and can output
> document in
> ms/word format.
>
> Thanks for your help.





From glen.j.barber at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 19:08:11 2008
From: glen.j.barber at gmail.com (Glen Barber)
Date: Thu Nov  6 19:08:18 2008
Subject: recommendation word processer for xfce
In-Reply-To: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBOEJPCMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>
References: <185614.77634.qm@web56805.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBOEJPCMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>
Message-ID: <4ad871310811061908w1189f2a7ja0d922bd6ecc4ab5@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:01 PM, FBSD1 <fbsd1@a1poweruser.com> wrote:
>        I looked at OpenOffice but there is no package of it since freebsd release
> 6 stable.
>        It takes a very very long time to compile this port.

There is a package available.  I installed it yesterday.  Look at the ftp site.

-- 
Glen Barber
From chris at monochrome.org  Thu Nov  6 19:08:28 2008
From: chris at monochrome.org (Chris Hill)
Date: Thu Nov  6 19:08:35 2008
Subject: Replace XP with FreeBSD (was Re: (no subject))
In-Reply-To: <49138F93.3040300@embarqmail.com>
References: <49138F93.3040300@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081106204145.Q3811@tripel.monochrome.org>

On Thu, 6 Nov 2008, SAM HAYNES wrote:

> Greetings, O Learned Ones
> from:  Sam Haynes, Pathfinders 2008
>
> I haven't the foggiest as to how you came to be in my favorites list, 
> other than that I probably tagged you in an ongoing search for both or 
> either something to replace Win XP and or build my own personal 
> server.
>
> I have been usining XP for several years now.  Recently, I tried to 
> install XP from my OEM cd and was notified by Gates and Company that 
> XP would no longer be supported. Bummer! So what else is new?  Time to 
> part company with Bill? Vista was tha final straw.
>
> I need something that will replace XP in all the essentials but 
> without a useless bag full of coverups for poor performance..

It depends on what you consider essential. I have been using FreeBSD as 
my daily desktop for maybe 10 years now. The only complaint I have is 
that Adobe steadfastly refuses to let us run a useable Flash player. 
Even that is Adobe's fault, not FreeBSD's.

> Debian was the first encouraging encounter. It was recommended as a 
> cheap entry into the personal server concept, using a two to three 
> year old PC chassis. Sounded good but I could never figure out just 
> how to download it.

If you should decide to give FreeBSD a shot, all you need is the "disc1" 
image from 
ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/7.1/ -Well, 
also of course, a suitable machine on which to install. FreeBSD is a 
*lot* less resource-hungry than Windows in my experience.

7.1 is in beta right this minute, but it seems that release is imminent. 
There should be an announcement on the website when the time comes.

Anyway, the idea is to download the ISO file, burn it to a CD, and boot 
the CD. If you're in the learing/experimenting phase, I would strongly 
suggest not doing the experiment on your only computer. You'll probably 
appreciate having a working web browser, email, etc. during the process.

If you're used to Windows, this will be quite different. I like that 
FreeBSD does what you tell it to, not what it thought you might have 
wanted. Of course, that's a double-edged sword.

> So, FreeBSD appears in my fave list and server appears in the same 
> paragraph as operating system.  Here is my plan.
>
> I am 76, a retired Master Electrician, PC builder since '87, have a 
> wife of 40 plus years, debilitating medical problems and a strong 
> belief that I can milk a living out of internet affiliate marketing 
> despite the current economic crisis.

Good. You have been building PCs -and- doing wiring a lot longer than I 
have been doing either. Nobody needs to tell you what an IRQ is, or why 
a "loose neutral" might be a problem.

> My current model is to generate a basic website, use my existing isp 
> to promote two consistent converting products, bootstrap the proceeds 
> from that into building my own dedicated server to market 'how-to' 
> products over a hundred or more websites.

I have no business sense, and can't comment on the model. But I can say 
that you'd be hard-pressed to find a better server platform than 
FreeBSD.

HTH, and good luck with the plan.

--
Chris Hill               chris@monochrome.org
**                     [ Busy Expunging <|> ]
From sahil at tandon.net  Thu Nov  6 19:17:52 2008
From: sahil at tandon.net (Sahil Tandon)
Date: Thu Nov  6 19:17:59 2008
Subject: recommendation word processer for xfce
In-Reply-To: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBOEJPCMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>
References: <185614.77634.qm@web56805.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBOEJPCMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>
Message-ID: <20081107031744.GA7088@shepherd>

FBSD1 <fbsd1@a1poweruser.com> wrote:

> I looked at OpenOffice but there is no package of it since freebsd release
> 6 stable. It takes a very very long time to compile this port.

Please don't top-post.  OpenOffice packages are available via the
FreeBSD FTP sites.

-- 
Sahil Tandon <sahil@tandon.net>
From lists at jnielsen.net  Thu Nov  6 19:24:45 2008
From: lists at jnielsen.net (John Nielsen)
Date: Thu Nov  6 19:24:51 2008
Subject: recommendation word processer for xfce
In-Reply-To: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBOEJPCMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>
References: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBOEJPCMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>
Message-ID: <200811062224.37120.lists@jnielsen.net>

> --- On Thu, 11/6/08, FBSD1 <fbsd1@a1poweruser.com> wrote:
> > From: FBSD1 <fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>
> > Subject: recommendation word processer for xfce
> > To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD. ORG" <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
> > Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 8:40 PM
> > Looking for word processer that runs on xfce and can output
> > document in
> > ms/word format.
> >
On Thursday 06 November 2008, FBSD1 wrote:
> 	I looked at OpenOffice but there is no package of it since freebsd
> release 6 stable.
> 	It takes a very very long time to compile this port.

Take a look at abiword.

JN
From fbsd1 at a1poweruser.com  Thu Nov  6 19:31:33 2008
From: fbsd1 at a1poweruser.com (FBSD1)
Date: Thu Nov  6 19:31:46 2008
Subject: recommendation word processer for xfce
In-Reply-To: <4ad871310811061908w1189f2a7ja0d922bd6ecc4ab5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBCEKBCMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>

Error: FTP Unable to get
ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-7
.1-release/Latest/openoffice.tbz: File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no
access)

Where did you get the package from or what name did you use for the package?


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Glen Barber
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 11:08 AM
To: fbsd1@a1poweruser.com
Cc: mdh_lists@yahoo.com; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD. ORG
Subject: Re: recommendation word processer for xfce

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:01 PM, FBSD1 <fbsd1@a1poweruser.com> wrote:
>        I looked at OpenOffice but there is no package of it since freebsd
release
> 6 stable.
>        It takes a very very long time to compile this port.

There is a package available.  I installed it yesterday.  Look at the ftp
site.

--
Glen Barber
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http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
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From glen.j.barber at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 19:34:03 2008
From: glen.j.barber at gmail.com (Glen Barber)
Date: Thu Nov  6 19:34:17 2008
Subject: recommendation word processer for xfce
In-Reply-To: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBCEKBCMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>
References: <4ad871310811061908w1189f2a7ja0d922bd6ecc4ab5@mail.gmail.com>
	<NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBCEKBCMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>
Message-ID: <4ad871310811061934i7910e25dlc71f6e64d2cd8e8b@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:32 PM, FBSD1 <fbsd1@a1poweruser.com> wrote:
> Error: FTP Unable to get
> ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-7
> .1-release/Latest/openoffice.tbz: File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no
> access)
>
> Where did you get the package from or what name did you use for the package?
>

ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-6.4-release/All/openoffice.org-2.4.1_2.tbz

-- 
Glen Barber
From fbsd1 at a1poweruser.com  Thu Nov  6 19:34:06 2008
From: fbsd1 at a1poweruser.com (FBSD1)
Date: Thu Nov  6 19:34:18 2008
Subject: recommendation word processer for xfce
In-Reply-To: <20081107031744.GA7088@shepherd>
Message-ID: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBMEKBCMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>

	Top posting is how Microsoft outlook works. Nothing I can do about it.
sorry

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Sahil Tandon
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 11:18 AM
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: recommendation word processer for xfce

FBSD1 <fbsd1@a1poweruser.com> wrote:

> I looked at OpenOffice but there is no package of it since freebsd release
> 6 stable. It takes a very very long time to compile this port.

Please don't top-post.  OpenOffice packages are available via the
FreeBSD FTP sites.

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From glen.j.barber at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 19:37:11 2008
From: glen.j.barber at gmail.com (Glen Barber)
Date: Thu Nov  6 19:37:18 2008
Subject: recommendation word processer for xfce
In-Reply-To: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBMEKBCMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>
References: <20081107031744.GA7088@shepherd>
	<NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBMEKBCMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>
Message-ID: <4ad871310811061937v2eb5db1an739dfb09c9f08569@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:34 PM, FBSD1 <fbsd1@a1poweruser.com> wrote:
>        Top posting is how Microsoft outlook works. Nothing I can do about it.
> sorry
>

You could disable "include original message".

Or use better software.

-- 
Glen Barber
From joeb at a1poweruser.com  Thu Nov  6 19:39:13 2008
From: joeb at a1poweruser.com (joeb)
Date: Thu Nov  6 19:39:20 2008
Subject: recommendation word processer for xfce
In-Reply-To: <200811062224.37120.lists@jnielsen.net>
Message-ID: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBEEKCCMAA.joeb@a1poweruser.com>


> >
On Thursday 06 November 2008, FBSD1 wrote:
>       I looked at OpenOffice but there is no package of it since freebsd
> release 6 stable.
>       It takes a very very long time to compile this port.

Take a look at abiword.

	***************************************************************
	I installed abiword but it has bug on start up wanting to access some
server.
Gives popup window about error contacting some server. After clicking on OK
button it works ok. But can't have error every time on startup




From matt at gsicomp.on.ca  Thu Nov  6 19:40:52 2008
From: matt at gsicomp.on.ca (Matt Emmerton)
Date: Thu Nov  6 20:19:56 2008
Subject: recommendation word processer for xfce
References: <20081107031744.GA7088@shepherd><NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBMEKBCMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>
	<4ad871310811061937v2eb5db1an739dfb09c9f08569@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <60642CE3F85245349E2872A9C4EA0645@hermes>

> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:34 PM, FBSD1 <fbsd1@a1poweruser.com> wrote:
>>        Top posting is how Microsoft outlook works. Nothing I can do about 
>> it.
>> sorry
>>
>
> You could disable "include original message".
>
> Or use better software.

Or just scroll down the to bottom of the message before typing anything.

--
Matt

From perryh at pluto.rain.com  Thu Nov  6 20:36:39 2008
From: perryh at pluto.rain.com (perryh@pluto.rain.com)
Date: Thu Nov  6 20:36:47 2008
Subject: Hardware Raid + hot-replace failed disk
In-Reply-To: <200811062228.27821.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net>
References: <d05df8620810291007y3d18e5b8g8674477f1f00d810@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.63.0811061656130.1630@hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be>
	<20081106215647.A28070@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
	<200811062228.27821.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net>
Message-ID: <4913c54e.Uzkn2xbou95tGOOs%perryh@pluto.rain.com>

> On Thursday 06 November 2008 22:01:39 Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> > > Suppose you have a system with multiple disks managed by a
> > > hardware RAID controller in a RAID5 of RAID6 configuration,
> >
> > what is "RAID5 of RAID6"???
>
> 'of' is 'or' in dutch, common typo for dutch or flemish people.

For Americans also, due to "f" and "r" being adjacent
on a US-English keyboard.
From eitanadlerlist at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 20:43:01 2008
From: eitanadlerlist at gmail.com (Eitan Adler)
Date: Thu Nov  6 20:43:14 2008
Subject: spell check - how to?
Message-ID: <4913C74C.80606@gmail.com>

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I'm looking to do a full spell check/fix on the handbook.
I found "make spellcheck-txt" which apparently removed certain items
that would not go well through a spell checker - however I don't know
how to actually run the spellcheck itself.

I have aspell installed.
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From keramida at freebsd.org  Thu Nov  6 21:58:48 2008
From: keramida at freebsd.org (Giorgos Keramidas)
Date: Thu Nov  6 21:58:56 2008
Subject: spell check - how to?
In-Reply-To: <4913C74C.80606@gmail.com> (Eitan Adler's message of "Thu, 06 Nov
	2008 23:42:52 -0500")
References: <4913C74C.80606@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87d4h884c3.fsf@kobe.laptop>

On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:42:52 -0500, Eitan Adler <eitanadlerlist@gmail.com> wrote:
> [cc to -questions as it might be a general question]

Hi Eitan :-)

> I'm looking to do a full spell check/fix on the handbook.  I found
> "make spellcheck-txt" which apparently removed certain items that
> would not go well through a spell checker - however I don't know how
> to actually run the spellcheck itself.
>
> I have aspell installed.

You will probably have to tweak the ISPELLOPTS to use aspell.  The
current spellcheck targets use a default ISPELLOPTS with a value of:

%%%
doc/el/share/mk/doc.project.mk:ISPELL?=     ispell
doc/el/share/mk/doc.project.mk:ISPELLOPTS?= -l -p /usr/share/dict/freebsd ${ISPELLFLAGS}
%%%

The -l option is not supported by aspell, so the following spellcheck
run fails:

: % pwd
: /ws/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributing
: % env ISPELL=aspell make FORMATS=txt spellcheck
: Spellcheck article.txt
: Error: You must specify a parameter for "-l".
: *** Error code 1
:

But you can set ISPELL and ISPELLOPTS in the runtime environment to pass
aspell-compatible options:

: % env ISPELL=aspell ISPELLOPTS='list' make FORMATS=txt spellcheck
: Spellcheck article.txt
: jcamou
: IEEE
: ...

Unfortunately, the wordlist at `/usr/share/dict/freebsd' is not usable
with aspell right now, so if you try to use it you will get errors like:

: env ISPELL=aspell \
:     ISPELLOPTS='-p /usr/share/dict/freebsd ${ISPELLFLAGS}' \
:     ISPELLFLAGS='list' make FORMATS=txt spellcheck
: Spellcheck article.txt
: Error: The file "/usr/share/dict/freebsd" is not in the proper format.
: *** Error code 1

The main drawback of being unable to use the `freebsd' wordlist is that
you will get many false positives for words that are perfectly valid for
FreeBSD documentation but are not standard English words.

From ross.cameron at linuxpro.co.za  Thu Nov  6 22:51:07 2008
From: ross.cameron at linuxpro.co.za (Ross Cameron)
Date: Thu Nov  6 22:51:15 2008
Subject: recommendation word processer for xfce
In-Reply-To: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBMEKBCMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>
References: <20081107031744.GA7088@shepherd>
	<NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBMEKBCMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>
Message-ID: <35f70db10811062251v7df8c7d2y69112e1768dc0cf4@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 5:34 AM, FBSD1 <fbsd1@a1poweruser.com> wrote:

>        Top posting is how Microsoft outlook works. Nothing I can do about
> it.
> sorry


Ditch Outlook and use Evolution or Thunderbird or KMail or <hell anything>
From emorras at s21sec.com  Fri Nov  7 00:40:44 2008
From: emorras at s21sec.com (Eduardo Morras)
Date: Fri Nov  7 00:40:52 2008
Subject: what is your programming language on freebsd?
Message-ID: <20081107082124.7981E2560C4@s21sec.com>

At 17:10 06/11/2008, you wrote:
>Hi there,
>
>Earlier I was asking for some help getting XSP/ mod_mono on FreeBSD. I
>may be asking in the wrong mailing list, but my impression is that mono
>on FreeBSD is generally not a popular idea.
>
>To pose my questions to the developers in the FreeBSD community:
>1. What programming language(s) do you deploy on FreeBSD?

Pascal and ObjectPascal with FreePascal Compiler and Lazarus for my programs.
C with GCC for play with FreeBSD source code.

>2. Is FreeBSD more optimised in performance for any particular language?

Don't know.

>3. Is FreeBSD even a popular choice as a development platform, or is it
>better suited as a special-purpose OS (eg. mail server, DNS server)?

Depends. For me it's THE development platform.

>Thanks.

L

---------------------------------------------------------------
In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate.
     -- Charles Forsythe <forsythe@alum.mit.edu>  

From tedm at toybox.placo.com  Fri Nov  7 01:06:02 2008
From: tedm at toybox.placo.com (Ted Mittelstaedt)
Date: Fri Nov  7 01:06:09 2008
Subject: Replace XP with FreeBSD (was Re: (no subject))
In-Reply-To: <20081106204145.Q3811@tripel.monochrome.org>
Message-ID: <BMEDLGAENEKCJFGODFOCGEPJCFAA.tedm@toybox.placo.com>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Chris Hill
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 7:08 PM
> To: SAM HAYNES
> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Replace XP with FreeBSD (was Re: (no subject))
>
>
> On Thu, 6 Nov 2008, SAM HAYNES wrote:
>
> >
> > I am 76, a retired Master Electrician, PC builder since '87, have a
> > wife of 40 plus years, debilitating medical problems and a strong
> > belief that I can milk a living out of internet affiliate marketing
> > despite the current economic crisis.
>
> Good. You have been building PCs -and- doing wiring a lot longer than I
> have been doing either. Nobody needs to tell you what an IRQ is, or why
> a "loose neutral" might be a problem.
>
> > My current model is to generate a basic website, use my existing isp
> > to promote two consistent converting products, bootstrap the proceeds
> > from that into building my own dedicated server to market 'how-to'
> > products over a hundred or more websites.
>
> I have no business sense, and can't comment on the model.

I do and can.  We have customers doing this.  However it is going to take
you many years to get this up and going and there's a huge amount of
competition.  You have a LOT to learn.  And it will never pay much.

Your most profitable bet is to visit your local IBEW office and get your
license
current, then start going around to all of the local builders and
giving them your card.  There's a big need for people who can do small
electrical jobs under permit.

If this is out, and your dead-set on doing something on the Internet,
then go to some classes, learn how to write a decent website, and spend
a few years doing websites for people.  There's not a lot of money
in that either, but there's more than trying to do what you think you
want to do.  And, you will never be able to do what you think you want
to do until you are intimately familiar with HTML.

Ted

From f.bonnet at esiee.fr  Fri Nov  7 01:09:54 2008
From: f.bonnet at esiee.fr (Frank Bonnet)
Date: Fri Nov  7 01:10:01 2008
Subject: Hardware Raid + hot-replace failed disk
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.63.0811061656130.1630@hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be>
References: <d05df8620810291007y3d18e5b8g8674477f1f00d810@mail.gmail.com>	<geug4k$dnt$1@ger.gmane.org>	<Pine.GSO.4.63.0811061122190.29135@hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be>
	<Pine.GSO.4.63.0811061656130.1630@hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be>
Message-ID: <491405E0.5080809@esiee.fr>

Pieter Donche wrote:
> Suppose you have a system with multiple disks managed by a
> hardware RAID controller in a RAID5 of RAID6 configuration,
> 
> To FreeBSD it will look like e.g. a single large drive.
> 
> If you want to extend your disk space by plugging in an extra
> disk, the hardware RAID controller will probably detect it and
> add it in his management, but will it be seen by FreeBSD?
> 
> How can you make the added disk-space available for FreeBSD.
> Can this be done without shutting down the system? How??
> 

I think this would be possible using vinum, but I've never tested it.
From Pieter.Donche at ua.ac.be  Fri Nov  7 01:35:42 2008
From: Pieter.Donche at ua.ac.be (Pieter Donche)
Date: Fri Nov  7 01:35:50 2008
Subject: Hardware Raid + hot-replace failed disk
In-Reply-To: <20081106215647.A28070@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
References: <d05df8620810291007y3d18e5b8g8674477f1f00d810@mail.gmail.com>
	<geug4k$dnt$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<Pine.GSO.4.63.0811061122190.29135@hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be>
	<Pine.GSO.4.63.0811061656130.1630@hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be>
	<20081106215647.A28070@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.63.0811071014350.26732@hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be>

On Thu, 6 Nov 2008, Wojciech Puchar wrote:

>> Suppose you have a system with multiple disks managed by a
>> hardware RAID controller in a RAID5 of RAID6 configuration,
>> To FreeBSD it will look like e.g. a single large drive.
>
> what is "RAID5 of RAID6"???
RAID5 or RAID6 (sorry, typing error)

>> If you want to extend your disk space by plugging in an extra
>> disk, the hardware RAID controller will probably detect it and
>> add it in his management, but will it be seen by FreeBSD?
> FreeBSD will see larger drive.

With what command can you see that FreeBSD had 'seen' it ?
Or is the the bsdlabel command?  Is bsdlabel a partition management
program (such as GParted, Partition Magic)?

> you then have to fix partition table (use bsdlabel -e)
> fix c partition to be actually sized of whole drive, and then
> a) add new partition(s) for new space
> b) extend the size of last partition and use growfs

I guess here you mean 2 alternatives: a) using the new space for 
new partition(s) leaving the existing as they are
or b) create no new partitions but extend the last partition to include
the new space, by using the growfs command ?

>> How can you make the added disk-space available for FreeBSD.
>> Can this be done without shutting down the system? How??
> i don't think FreeBSD can be told to reget device info from controller when 
> partitions of that device are mounted. but i may be wrong

Hmm, man growfs says:
  Currently growfs CAN ONLY ENLARGE UNMOUNTED FILE SYSTEMS.
  DO NOT TRY ENLARGING A MOUNTED FILE SYSTEM, YOUR SYSTEM WILL PANIC
  AND YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO USE THE FILE SYSTEM ANY LONGER.

If your FreeDSB only has swap and a / file system (with all users inside
/usr/home)  or you set up FreeBSD with a  swap, /, /var and /usr 
filesystems (with users in /usr/home)  and you want to grow a file
system (e.g. /usr to give the extra space to users) (scenario b))
then,
I guess, you will need to go into single-user mode and boot from CD
with a FreeBSD in RAM to be able extend the (unmounted) file system /usr

Can scenario a) (making new file system for new space) be done in 
multi-user mode, or only in single-user mode, will it need a reboot ??


Is there any document (besides the manual pages bsdlabel, growfs, ..)
that describes step-by-step what to do to grow an existing file system
of to add a new file system on newly added disk space ?

Pieter
From pdegoeje at service2media.com  Fri Nov  7 01:57:59 2008
From: pdegoeje at service2media.com (Pieter de Goeje)
Date: Fri Nov  7 01:58:06 2008
Subject: what is your programming language on freebsd?
In-Reply-To: <20081106163134.GD43844@gizmo.acns.msu.edu>
References: <49131701.9020208@extracktor.com>
	<20081106163134.GD43844@gizmo.acns.msu.edu>
Message-ID: <200811071032.34327.pdegoeje@service2media.com>

On Thursday 06 November 2008, Jerry McAllister wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 12:10:41AM +0800, Foo JH wrote:
> > Hi there,
> >
> > Earlier I was asking for some help getting XSP/ mod_mono on FreeBSD. I
> > may be asking in the wrong mailing list, but my impression is that mono
> > on FreeBSD is generally not a popular idea.
> >
> > To pose my questions to the developers in the FreeBSD community:
> > 1. What programming language(s) do you deploy on FreeBSD?
> > 2. Is FreeBSD more optimised in performance for any particular language?
> > 3. Is FreeBSD even a popular choice as a development platform, or is it
> > better suited as a special-purpose OS (eg. mail server, DNS server)?
>
> FreeBSD suppports just about any programming language that has
> been created.     If you go to /usr/ports/lang/   you will see
> a large list of them that you can install.
>
> As for the most common, well, C and C++, Shells such as SH, CSH/TCSH
> and Perl are very common, plus in conjunction with web servers such
> as Apache, PHP, Python, Ruby and a number of others are common.
> If you are doing number crunching, you can use FORTRAN and if you
> are in to historical business environments, there is even Cobol.
>
> As for being optimized for a language, it is more likely the other
> way around.  Are there any languages that have good optimization
> for running on FreeBSD.   Maybe.   Someone else may know more about
> that, than I do.
>
> ////jerry

And don't forget Java. Eclipse-devel + jdk16 make an excellent development 
environment on FreeBSD.

-- 
Pieter de Goeje

From koitsu at FreeBSD.org  Fri Nov  7 02:06:51 2008
From: koitsu at FreeBSD.org (Jeremy Chadwick)
Date: Fri Nov  7 02:06:58 2008
Subject: Hardware Raid + hot-replace failed disk
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.63.0811071014350.26732@hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be>
References: <d05df8620810291007y3d18e5b8g8674477f1f00d810@mail.gmail.com>
	<geug4k$dnt$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<Pine.GSO.4.63.0811061122190.29135@hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be>
	<Pine.GSO.4.63.0811061656130.1630@hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be>
	<20081106215647.A28070@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
	<Pine.GSO.4.63.0811071014350.26732@hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be>
Message-ID: <20081107100647.GA2064@icarus.home.lan>

On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 10:35:39AM +0100, Pieter Donche wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Nov 2008, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
>
>>> Suppose you have a system with multiple disks managed by a
>>> hardware RAID controller in a RAID5 of RAID6 configuration,
>>> To FreeBSD it will look like e.g. a single large drive.
>>
>> what is "RAID5 of RAID6"???
> RAID5 or RAID6 (sorry, typing error)
>
>>> If you want to extend your disk space by plugging in an extra
>>> disk, the hardware RAID controller will probably detect it and
>>> add it in his management, but will it be seen by FreeBSD?
>> FreeBSD will see larger drive.
>
> With what command can you see that FreeBSD had 'seen' it ?

The answer is: "it depends".  The below applies to SATA, SAS, and SCSI
only; you cannot hot-swap PATA disks.

If you have a hot-swap enclosure or a hot-swap backplane, and are using
a hardware RAID controller (and I do mean *real* hardware RAID, not
BIOS-level RAID like Intel MatrixRAID or Adaptec HostRAID), then the
FreeBSD controller driver should report the disk falling off the bus (if
a disk is removed), or a disk appearing on the bus (if a disk is added).
If the driver does not handle this natively, you will have to rely on
command-line utilities from the RAID card vendor to manage this.

If you have a hot-swap enclosure or a hot-swap backplane, and are using
software/OS-based RAID (such as gvinum, ccd, or ZFS), then it depends
on the underlying type of disk you're using.

With SATA disks, you rely on the FreeBSD ata(4) layer.  You are at the
whim of the ata(4) layer and its support for your motherboard chipset,
assuming that's what you're using (there are exceptions; see below).

Removal of a SATA disk should show the disk falling off the bus, and you
will need to perform "atacontrol detach <channel>" to ensure the kernel
knows the disk has been removed (this is not done automatically, despite
what you see on the console; I recommend you do the "detach" prior to
disk removal).

Addition of a SATA disk will require you to perform "atacontrol attach
<channel>", and hopefully you will see the disk make and model show up
moments later.

With SCSI or SAS disks, you rely on the FreeBSD da(4) layer, backed by
the FreeBSD CAM(4) layer.  This layer is proven reliable, and even some
SATA RAID controllers use it (such as Areca controllers; yes, they're
SATA disks on a hardware RAID controller, but the FreeBSD driver for the
Areca card uses da(4) and CAM(4)).

Removal of a SCSI disk should show the disk falling off the bus.  You
can use "camcontrol" to examine the state of things; you may need to
use start/stop (it's been a while since I've used camcontrol).

Addition of a SCSI disk might require "camcontrol rescan"; again,
it's been a while since I've used camcontrol.

In general, there is no easy way to describe every single scenario under
the sun.  It greatly depends upon what hardware you're using, and what
kind of disk you're using.  If you choose to use a hardware RAID card,
the card user manual should describe *exactly* how to accomplish
additions and removals.

Chances are you're talking about generic SATA disks hooked up to your
generic motherboard.  You should be aware that FreeBSD is somewhat
"flaky" in this regard.  I've recently written about a disk swap gone
bad (while using a Promise TX4310 controller), which should give you
some idea of the chaos that can happen as a result of shoddy driver
support:

http://wiki.freebsd.org/JeremyChadwick/ZFS_disk_upgrade_gone_bad

This article is followed-up by a fully-working example when using
an Intel ICH-based board with Intel AHCI enabled (meaning, everything
worked flawlessly and exactly how it should've):

http://wiki.freebsd.org/JeremyChadwick/ZFS_disk_upgrade_gone_bad_part_2

I'm still in the process of writing the details that make up Part 2.

> Or is the the bsdlabel command?

bsdlabel(8) is what creates filesystems.  To format filesystems, you use
newfs(8).

> Is bsdlabel a partition management program (such as GParted, Partition
> Magic)?

No, that's fdisk(8).  FreeBSD calls these "slices", not "partitions",
but they're the same thing.

If you want to "keep it simple", I recommend you use sade(8), which is
the text-based interface for partitioning and filesystem creation that
you see when you install FreeBSD.  If you don't have the "sade"
command, just run "sysinstall" and choose post-configuration.

> Is there any document (besides the manual pages bsdlabel, growfs, ..)
> that describes step-by-step what to do to grow an existing file system
> of to add a new file system on newly added disk space ?

What everyone else is telling you is sending you on a wild goose chase.
I'm sitting here imagining you clicking your mouse at 6000 clicks per
second, eyeballs rolling around, sweating profusely.  :-)  I wish
FreeBSD mailing list people wouldn't do this to new folks, because all
it's doing is confusing you.

The simple answer is this: on FreeBSD, there is not a reliable way to
grow an existing filesystem without taking the machine down, bringing
it into single-user, or rebooting it.  In fact, I would go so far to
say there is not a reliable way on FreeBSD to grow a filesystem at all;
you are generally forced to back up all of your data, then recreate
the filesystem.

ZFS doesn't make this any easier, by the way -- you cannot "grow" a
zpool.  You can add disks in real-time (no rebooting/single-user) to a
separate zpool (think: separate filesystem), but you cannot add
disks to an existing zpool.

Yes, I am aware Linux has LVM, which provides all of this capability
for you, without having to reboot.

If you're really wanting something like a end-user NAS, which allows
you to remove/add disks as you please, and the filesystem shrinks/grows
with it, then you need to be looking at a product from Data Robotics
called Drobo.

Note that Drobo does not work under FreeBSD, as far as I know (it
probably shows up as a umass/da device, but if you remove/add disks,
I'm absolutely certain the filesystem does not grow.  Linux Drobo
users have been dealing with that problem for quite some time too,
and Data Robotics is *just now* getting around to addressing it)

Hope this helps.

-- 
| Jeremy Chadwick                                jdc at parodius.com |
| Parodius Networking                       http://www.parodius.com/ |
| UNIX Systems Administrator                  Mountain View, CA, USA |
| Making life hard for others since 1977.              PGP: 4BD6C0CB |

From nightrecon at verizon.net  Fri Nov  7 03:29:00 2008
From: nightrecon at verizon.net (Michael Powell)
Date: Fri Nov  7 03:29:09 2008
Subject: (no subject)
References: <49138F93.3040300@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <gf18pi$cjt$1@ger.gmane.org>

SAM HAYNES wrote:

> Greetings, O Learned Ones
> from:  Sam Haynes, Pathfinders 2008
> 
> I haven't the foggiest as to how you came to be in my favorites list,
> other than that I probably tagged you in an ongoing search for both or
> either something to replace Win XP  and or build my own personal server.
> 
> I have been usining XP for several years now.  Recently, I tried to
> install XP from my OEM cd and was notified by Gates and Company that XP
> would no longer be supported. Bummer! So what else is new?  Time to part
> company with Bill? Vista was tha final straw.
> 
> I need something that will replace XP in all the essentials but without
> a useless bag full of coverups for poor performance..
> 
> Debian was the first encouraging encounter. It was recommended as a
> cheap entry into the personal server concept, using a two to three year
> old PC chassis. Sounded good but I could never figure out just how to
> download it.
> 
> So, FreeBSD appears in my fave list and server appears in the same
> paragraph as operating system.  Here is my plan.
> 
> I am 76, a retired Master Electrician, PC builder since '87, have a wife
> of 40 plus years, debilitating medical problems and a strong belief that
> I can milk a living out of internet affiliate marketing despite the
> current economic crisis.
> 
> My current model is to generate a basic website, use my existing isp to
> promote two consistent converting products, bootstrap the proceeds from
> that into building my own dedicated server to market 'how-to' products
> over a hundred or more websites.
> 
> All using ready to serve apps and a WYSIWYG HTML  generator.
> 
> I appreciate your time reading this over long monologue... I'd
> appreciate it even more if you could take some time to throw some
> suggestions back at me..
> 
[snip]

Just some ideas from the $.02 department:

As far as replacing XP with something else to be used as a desktop machine,
ala the GUI route, my own personal preference is the KDE desktop. I've been
using it so many years now it is second nature, but there are
just "useability" patterns which I've become so accustomed to that make it
so I don't want to use XP any longer. I just like KDE as a GUI instead of
the XP interface. It is also, imho an easier transition from Windows for
someone with little or no Unix experience.

I used KDE on FreeBSD as my main desktop for many years, but I finally gave
in to openSUSE 10.3 on my workstation as I really found a need for
Virtualbox and being able to run virtual machines. I have three Linux
browsers, a VM with Windows XP SP2 and IE6, and a Windows XP SP3 VM with
IE7, Opera, Firefox, and Safari. I confirm that all xhtml-transitional web
pages I write look the same in all of these. And I can do this with no
rebooting the machine.

If you are totally new to Linux/Unix and have zero experience and just want
an easy, out of the box "something other" than XP you might try the latest
incarnation of Kubuntu. I know in a FreeBSD list these comments are
sacrilege, but the broader picture is what your needs truly are.


Now on the server side things are much different. In spite of the steep
learning curve associated with being a newbie to Unices, I still feel
FreeBSD makes a better server platform. You just need to recondition your
expectations to administrating it largely via command line, as most
sysadmins who operate FreeBSD servers do not install any GUI software on
them. I know I don't. You will find maintaining a FreeBSD server much less
aggravating than Linux. It is coherent, clean, well documented, a well
thought out and very complete operating system. Performance is pretty good
too. Especially when you factor in what you payed for it! :-)

As far as setting up server(s) at your home, this is a good way for
learning. It is also a test platform for any web sites you may be running.
Keep a mirror at home to make and evaluate changes thoroughly _before_
uploading them to your active site(s). Never make changes that you haven't
tested out first.

Now running a real live "Web" presence out of your house is probably not
really a good idea if it has anything to do with business. A personal blog
can go down for indefinite periods and no harm done, but a business site is
a different story. First, the reason for having your servers located in a
data center is they are sitting directly on the "fat pipes" of the
Internet. Second, these data centers are "multi homed" in their peerage to
other backbones. If one connection path develops a problem your site is
still going to be accessible via one of the other paths. You simply will
never have the kind of connectivity found in a real data center at home.

I do not approve of HTML WYSIWYG editing abominations such as Dreamweaver
and their ilk. They make it seem like anyone can write a Web page but in
reality what they output isn't standards compliant. Over the years I've
looked at a few, and found they all output crap. The only way to write
technically proficient Web sites is to know the material. It does initially
take quite a bit of time, but is easily helped along by all the example
content you have to look at in the process. And all the standards and info
you need starts right here: http://www.w3.org/

This sounds like a lot, and it truly is. So carve it up into bite sized
chunks. Set up a beginner's network at home. One box for FreeBSD as your
server, and a second box as your workstation. Begin by learning how to
sysadmin your server. The Handbook is priceless:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html

Now this is long enough already so I'll quit at this point. There is much
more to what you're going after, but if done a piece at a time in an
orderly fashion you can get there. 

Best wishes for good luck 
- Mike



From gandalf at shopzeus.com  Fri Nov  7 04:36:57 2008
From: gandalf at shopzeus.com (Laszlo Nagy)
Date: Fri Nov  7 04:37:03 2008
Subject: eps to jpg conversion - which program?
Message-ID: <49143663.9070804@shopzeus.com>


  Hi,

I need to convert eps files into jpeg files in batch mode. Gimp works 
perfectly, except that I cannot use an X display. I tried eps2png with 
no success:


%file test.eps
test.eps: DOS EPS Binary File Postscript starts at byte 30 length 566887 
TIFF starts at byte 566917 length 4741
%eps2png -jpg -width 1000 -verbose -output test.jpg test.eps
Producing jpg (jpeg) image.
Not EPS file: test.eps, skipped

What port should I use to convert EPS into JPG? I would like to use a 
program that shares the same library with Gimp, because we know that 
Gimp works great for this task.

Thanks,

   Laszlo

From avasek at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  7 01:07:11 2008
From: avasek at yahoo.com (My Myself)
Date: Fri Nov  7 04:47:33 2008
Subject: Geom multipath
References: <877581.16197.qm@web31702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<200811061006.13445.lists@jnielsen.net>
Message-ID: <225776.3467.qm@web46108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Thanks!. I did know that there would be only one active path, but path switching doesnt seem to happen when one path fails. The behaviour is intermittent, so i was wondering if there are any kernel tunables that i could play with, like timeout variables etc.




________________________________
From: John Nielsen <lists@jnielsen.net>
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Cc: Ganesh kamath <ganbi@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2008 8:36:13 PM
Subject: Re: Geom multipath

On Thursday 06 November 2008 07:13:36 am Ganesh kamath wrote:
> I am trying to get multipath running in freebsd version 7. Are there
> any configuration files that i can tweak with geom multipath?. The
> paths are active/passive to the storage array and i dont seem to have
> control of what path the IO takes, so i was wondering if there are any
> tweaks thati could do to control the flow of IO to a specific path.

Read the manpage. Thoroughly. gmultipath(8). :) There is only one active 
path to any device, and it is the first in the list of devices. You 
specify the device list when you create the provider and it is updated if 
errors occur and when gmultipath labeled devices reappear. I would 
guess/hope that the order would be preserved across a reboot but I'm not 
sure. That type of question might be suitable for the freebsd-geom@ 
mailing list.

> Also, the IO doesnt resume when i try to do some cable pulls and plug
> them back.

If you're not using an mpt or isp disk controller then you have to 
initiate a rescan manually for the device to reappear. See camcontrol 
and/or atacontrol. When the device _does_ reappear it will be inserted at 
the end of the list, so I/O will continue across the alternate path which 
is still first in the list.

JN

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From roberthuff at rcn.com  Fri Nov  7 05:14:55 2008
From: roberthuff at rcn.com (Robert Huff)
Date: Fri Nov  7 05:15:09 2008
Subject: spell check - how to?
In-Reply-To: <87d4h884c3.fsf@kobe.laptop>
References: <4913C74C.80606@gmail.com>
	<87d4h884c3.fsf@kobe.laptop>
Message-ID: <18708.16205.131542.449645@jerusalem.litteratus.org>


Giorgos Keramidas writes:

>  The main drawback of being unable to use the `freebsd' wordlist
>  is that you will get many false positives for words that are
>  perfectly valid for FreeBSD documentation but are not standard
>  English words.

	I have a script which does something similar, using ispell.
It's based on the Perl script - found on-line - appended below.
	I pseudo-fixed that running the output through sort and
starting with least frequent hits.
	Attempts to build a project-specific dictionary proved too
confusing and it was ultimatly not worth the effort.


				Robert Huff



#!/usr/local/bin/perl -W

# WordFreq.pl -- Count word frequency in a text file
$ver = "v1.0"; # 05-Dec-2001 JP Vossen {jp@jpsdomain.org>

# Basics from 8.3, page 280 of _Perl_Cookbook_
# Added stop words

(($myname = $0) =~ s/^.*(\/|\\)|\..*$//ig); # remove up to last "\" or "/" and after any "."
$Greeting =  ("$myname $ver Copyright 12001 JP Vossen (http://www.jpsdomain.org/)\n");
$Greeting .= ("    Licensed under the GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE:\n");
$Greeting .= ("    See http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html for full text and details.\n"); # Version and copyright info

%seen = ();   # Create the hash

# Define the stopwords
@stopwords = ("a", "an", "and", "are", "as", "at", "be", "but", "by", 
"does", "for", "from", "had", "have", "her", "his", "if", "in", "is",
"it", "not", "of", "on", "or", "that", "the", "this", "to", "was",
"which", "with", "you");


if (("@ARGV" =~ /\?/) || (@ARGV > 5) || (@ARGV < 0)) { #if wrong # of args, or a ? in args - die
    print STDERR ("\n$Greeting\n\tUsage: $myname -i {infile} [-s]\n");
    print STDERR ("\nIf -s is used, the list of stop words will NOT be used.\n");
    print STDERR ("The stopwords currently defined are:\n\n ");
    foreach $stopword (@stopwords) {
        print STDERR ("$stopword ");
    } # end of foreach stopword
    die ("\n");
}

use Getopt::Std;                 # User Perl5 built-in program argument handler
getopts('i:o:s');                # Define possible args.

if (! $opt_i) { $opt_i = "-"; }  # If no input file specified, use STDIN
if (! $opt_o) { $opt_o = "-"; }  # If no output file specified, use STDOUT

open (INFILE, "$opt_i") || die "$myname: error opening $opt_i $!\n";
open (OUTFILE, ">$opt_o") || die "$myname: error opening $opt_o $!\n";

print STDERR ("\n$Greeting\n");

while (<INFILE>) {                # Read the input file
    while ( /(\w['\w-]*)/g ) {    # If we have a "word"
        $seen{lc $1}++;           # Count it in the hash
    } # end of while words
} # end of while input

if (! $opt_s) {                       # If we're using stopwords
    foreach $stopword (@stopwords) {  # for each stopword
        delete($seen{$stopword});     # Remove it from the hash
    } # end of foreach stopword       # This way we only test once for each
} # end of if using stopwords           stopword, rather than in a loop!


# Print the results, sorted most frequent words at the top
foreach $word ( sort { $seen{$b} <=> $seen{$a} } keys %seen) {
    printf OUTFILE ("%6d %s\n", $seen{$word}, $word);
} # end of foreach word

From sonic2000gr at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 05:26:26 2008
From: sonic2000gr at gmail.com (Manolis Kiagias)
Date: Fri Nov  7 05:26:33 2008
Subject: eps to jpg conversion - which program?
In-Reply-To: <49143663.9070804@shopzeus.com>
References: <49143663.9070804@shopzeus.com>
Message-ID: <491441FE.1090708@gmail.com>

Laszlo Nagy wrote:
>
>  Hi,
>
> I need to convert eps files into jpeg files in batch mode. Gimp works 
> perfectly, except that I cannot use an X display. I tried eps2png with 
> no success:
>
>
> %file test.eps
> test.eps: DOS EPS Binary File Postscript starts at byte 30 length 
> 566887 TIFF starts at byte 566917 length 4741
> %eps2png -jpg -width 1000 -verbose -output test.jpg test.eps
> Producing jpg (jpeg) image.
> Not EPS file: test.eps, skipped
>
> What port should I use to convert EPS into JPG? I would like to use a 
> program that shares the same library with Gimp, because we know that 
> Gimp works great for this task.
>
> Thanks,
>
>   Laszlo
>

How about using 'convert' from graphics/ImageMagick?

It would be as simple as

convert myfile.eps  myfile.jpg

and there are myriads of options to fiddle if you wish. I've been using 
it with great success for quite some time now.
From timm at ticore.de  Fri Nov  7 06:13:53 2008
From: timm at ticore.de (Timm Wimmers)
Date: Fri Nov  7 06:14:00 2008
Subject: eps to jpg conversion - which program?
In-Reply-To: <49143663.9070804@shopzeus.com>
References: <49143663.9070804@shopzeus.com>
Message-ID: <49144596.9000500@ticore.de>

Laszlo Nagy schrieb:

> I need to convert eps files into jpeg files in batch mode. Gimp works
> perfectly, except that I cannot use an X display. I tried eps2png with
> no success:
> 
> 
> %file test.eps
> test.eps: DOS EPS Binary File Postscript starts at byte 30 length 566887
> TIFF starts at byte 566917 length 4741
> %eps2png -jpg -width 1000 -verbose -output test.jpg test.eps
> Producing jpg (jpeg) image.
> Not EPS file: test.eps, skipped
> 
> What port should I use to convert EPS into JPG? I would like to use a
> program that shares the same library with Gimp, because we know that
> Gimp works great for this task.

Take a look on GhostScript, a PostScript interpreter.

-- 
Timm


From craig001 at lerwick.hopto.org  Fri Nov  7 06:17:47 2008
From: craig001 at lerwick.hopto.org (Craig Butler)
Date: Fri Nov  7 06:17:55 2008
Subject: Openoffice 3.0.0 - spellchecker not functioning
In-Reply-To: <200811061813.45150.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk>
References: <200811061813.45150.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1226067445.1360.11.camel@main.lerwick.hopto.org>



On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 18:13 +0000, Mike Clarke wrote:
> I've installed en-openoffice.org-GB-3.0.0 from ports on my 6.4-RC1 
> system. The install, using the command  
> portinstall  -m "LOCALIZED_LANG=en-GB -DWITH_KDE" 
> editors/openoffice.org-3, appeared to complete OK and I can 
> run /usr/local/bin/openoffice.org-3.0.0-swriter but attempts to check 
> spelling in a document with known spelling errors always fail to find 
> any errors.
> 
> The "Available language modules" section in Tools - Options - Language 
> Settings - Writing Aids" is empty, unlike my copy of Openoffice 2.3 
> which has 3 entries in this section.
> 
> Should the language modules have been installed or have I missed 
> anything when installing the port?
> 

Hi Mike,

Don't think ya missed anything, I am in the same boat...
I also compiled with the LOCALIZED_LANG=en-GB flag.

Anybody with a solution ? my spelling isn't that good so would need to
spell check my documents.

Regards

Craig B

From Johan at double-l.nl  Fri Nov  7 06:25:27 2008
From: Johan at double-l.nl (Johan Hendriks)
Date: Fri Nov  7 06:25:35 2008
Subject: pkg_delete delete files even if md5 check fails
Message-ID: <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE23A@w2003s01.double-l.local>

How can i tell pkg_delete to delete all files of a package even if the md5 checks fail?

 

Regards,

Johan Hendriks

 

From koitsu at FreeBSD.org  Fri Nov  7 06:27:51 2008
From: koitsu at FreeBSD.org (Jeremy Chadwick)
Date: Fri Nov  7 06:27:57 2008
Subject: pkg_delete delete files even if md5 check fails
In-Reply-To: <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE23A@w2003s01.double-l.local>
References: <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE23A@w2003s01.double-l.local>
Message-ID: <20081107142748.GA7201@icarus.home.lan>

On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 03:25:30PM +0100, Johan Hendriks wrote:
> How can i tell pkg_delete to delete all files of a package even if the md5 checks fail?

Does the -f flag do this?

-- 
| Jeremy Chadwick                                jdc at parodius.com |
| Parodius Networking                       http://www.parodius.com/ |
| UNIX Systems Administrator                  Mountain View, CA, USA |
| Making life hard for others since 1977.              PGP: 4BD6C0CB |

From Johan at double-l.nl  Fri Nov  7 06:41:50 2008
From: Johan at double-l.nl (Johan Hendriks)
Date: Fri Nov  7 06:41:57 2008
Subject: pkg_delete delete files even if md5 check fails
References: <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE23A@w2003s01.double-l.local>
	<20081107142748.GA7201@icarus.home.lan>
Message-ID: <57200BF94E69E54880C9BB1AF714BBCB5DE23C@w2003s01.double-l.local>

Yes off course it does!
I thought it only deleted the package even if other packages depends on it.
Sorry for the somewhat stupid question.

Regards,
Johan Hendriks


-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Jeremy Chadwick [mailto:koitsu@FreeBSD.org] 
Verzonden: vrijdag 7 november 2008 15:28
Aan: Johan Hendriks
CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Onderwerp: Re: pkg_delete delete files even if md5 check fails

On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 03:25:30PM +0100, Johan Hendriks wrote:
> How can i tell pkg_delete to delete all files of a package even if the md5 checks fail?

Does the -f flag do this?

-- 
| Jeremy Chadwick                                jdc at parodius.com |
| Parodius Networking                       http://www.parodius.com/ |
| UNIX Systems Administrator                  Mountain View, CA, USA |
| Making life hard for others since 1977.              PGP: 4BD6C0CB |


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From af300wsm at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 06:49:21 2008
From: af300wsm at gmail.com (Andrew Falanga)
Date: Fri Nov  7 06:49:28 2008
Subject: How to upgrade to KDE4
In-Reply-To: <20081105222606.76ca14f2@gumby.homeunix.com>
References: <0016e64bddfee7b2b6045af25294@google.com>
	<20081105222606.76ca14f2@gumby.homeunix.com>
Message-ID: <340a29540811070649r503324ek29a42c23f67d8be5@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 3:26 PM, RW <fbsd06@mlists.homeunix.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 06:52:06 -0800
> af300wsm@gmail.com wrote:
> the only
>> thing that updated was the meta-port (I did a portupgrade -r too).
>
> Aside from the fact that there are separate kde meta-ports,
> portupgrade -r kde... updates the metaport and everything that depends
> on the metaport, not everything the metaport depends on.

Thanks for the clarification.  I think I had things backwards.

Also, as I'd like to go to KDE 4, should I do a make deinstall in
kdebase, or perhaps pkg_delete for the kde packages before installing?
 I know that the first respondent said the two versions could be run
in tandem, and while I've got plenty of disk space for this, it also
seems quite error prone.  What would be the recommended course?

Andy

-- 
 A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is it such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?
From ohartman at zedat.fu-berlin.de  Fri Nov  7 07:35:18 2008
From: ohartman at zedat.fu-berlin.de (O. Hartmann)
Date: Fri Nov  7 07:35:25 2008
Subject: FreeBSD 7/CURRENT and AutoFS or AMD (automounter) with OpenLDAP
Message-ID: <49145AA5.2040507@zedat.fu-berlin.de>

Hello out there,
I run into trouble.

When looking for AutoFS in the net I find a lot about AutoFS on Linux 
and, surprisingly, for FreeBSD 6.X, but those messages are dated to the 
year 2004/2006.

I'm running FreeBSD 7.X and FreeBSD 8.0-CUR boxes and tried to find 
something about AutoFS, but I'm still stuck with the 'well known AMD or 
Berkeley AutoMounterDaemon.
What happened to AutoFS?

I'm stuck with amd (from FreeBSD's contrib) and I need to keep my maps 
in OpenLDAP, but when searching for how to map amd.map-files into the 
right shape of an OpenLDAP object (I borrowed the RedHat 
automount.ldif-schema, OpenLDAP 2.4.11 seems to lack in an apropriate 
schema), I only find Linux-Howtos reflecting AutoFS in Linux (and that 
is different from amd).

Is help possible?

Thanks, in advance,
Oliver
From ohartman at zedat.fu-berlin.de  Fri Nov  7 08:24:44 2008
From: ohartman at zedat.fu-berlin.de (O. Hartmann)
Date: Fri Nov  7 08:24:51 2008
Subject: FreeBSD 7/8 and AMD/automounter with LDAP support
Message-ID: <49146B3A.7060307@zedat.fu-berlin.de>

Just sneaked through the /usr/src/contrib/amd code base of the amd 
automounter and found amd is naturally not built with LDAP support.

Well, how can I configure 'make world' to automatically build 'amd' with 
LDAP support (as I can do this with sendmail being build with 
cyrus-sasl-support via some knobs in /etc/make.conf)?
I did not understood whether amd has full LDAP support or is lacking in 
some code, so I appreciate any hint or help.

Thanks in advance,

Oliver
From darwinian.empire at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 09:01:30 2008
From: darwinian.empire at gmail.com (Roey Dror)
Date: Fri Nov  7 09:01:37 2008
Subject: Preserving X forwarded applications
Message-ID: <c9f50ec40811070901j58fad238r9552c10a18842c7c@mail.gmail.com>

I'm looking for a solution similar to the screen utility, but for X11.
I want, for example, to burn a cd on a remote computer using some GUI
application. If, for any reason, the network goes down while burning,
I suppose I lose the whole thing. Same thing goes when editing a
document.
I know that I can launch a VNC/NX server, but X forwarding is a much
more comfortable solution.
Is there any way to make sure a X forwarded application won't die when
my session is disconnected?
Also, I would like to be able to "reconnect" the window when logging back in.

-- 
Roey
From fbsd.questions at rachie.is-a-geek.net  Fri Nov  7 09:10:23 2008
From: fbsd.questions at rachie.is-a-geek.net (Mel)
Date: Fri Nov  7 09:10:30 2008
Subject: Preserving X forwarded applications
In-Reply-To: <c9f50ec40811070901j58fad238r9552c10a18842c7c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c9f50ec40811070901j58fad238r9552c10a18842c7c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200811071810.18274.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net>

On Friday 07 November 2008 18:01:28 Roey Dror wrote:

> Is there any way to make sure a X forwarded application won't die when
> my session is disconnected?
> Also, I would like to be able to "reconnect" the window when logging back
> in.

Of course you can try to fiddle with X forwarding to do this, but net/x11vnc, 
especially the -shared option is made for this.

-- 
Mel

Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules
    and never get to the software part.
From mdh_lists at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  7 09:18:43 2008
From: mdh_lists at yahoo.com (mdh)
Date: Fri Nov  7 09:18:50 2008
Subject: How to upgrade to KDE4
In-Reply-To: <340a29540811070649r503324ek29a42c23f67d8be5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <529605.26842.qm@web56807.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

--- On Fri, 11/7/08, Andrew Falanga <af300wsm@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Andrew Falanga <af300wsm@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: How to upgrade to KDE4
> To: "RW" <fbsd06@mlists.homeunix.com>
> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Date: Friday, November 7, 2008, 9:49 AM
> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 3:26 PM, RW
> <fbsd06@mlists.homeunix.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 06:52:06 -0800
> > af300wsm@gmail.com wrote:
> > the only
> >> thing that updated was the meta-port (I did a
> portupgrade -r too).
> >
> > Aside from the fact that there are separate kde
> meta-ports,
> > portupgrade -r kde... updates the metaport and
> everything that depends
> > on the metaport, not everything the metaport depends
> on.
> 
> Thanks for the clarification.  I think I had things
> backwards.
> 
> Also, as I'd like to go to KDE 4, should I do a make
> deinstall in
> kdebase, or perhaps pkg_delete for the kde packages before
> installing?
>  I know that the first respondent said the two versions
> could be run
> in tandem, and while I've got plenty of disk space for
> this, it also
> seems quite error prone.  What would be the recommended
> course?

KDE3 and KDE4 co-habitate just fine.  You'll likely need KDE3 installed for some apps which don't use KDE4 libs yet.  I am pretty sure ktorrent is what installed kde3 on my system when I upgraded recently.  There are plenty of others, though.  KDE4 installs under /usr/local/kde4, while KDE3 installs under /usr/local at this time (assuming you haven't changed port bases yourself.)  Because of this, you'll likely want to remember to add /usr/local/kde4/{bin,sbin} to your shell search paths, and remember to use kdm from KDE4 as your login manager (this tricked me at first, and I was wondering for a bit why I was still getting a KDE3 login manager until I realized that KDE4 went under /usr/local/kde4/).  I would not say that it is error prone at all.  Everything has, so far, worked out of the box just fine save a couple of KDE4 bugs I've tweaked, none of which are bad enough to prevent me from working normally in KDE4 or to make me want to dump KDE4.  

- mdh



      
From drew at mykitchentable.net  Fri Nov  7 09:23:53 2008
From: drew at mykitchentable.net (Drew Tomlinson)
Date: Fri Nov  7 09:23:59 2008
Subject: Confused About Linux Compatibility
Message-ID: <491479A2.20406@mykitchentable.net>

I am attempting to install a Linux RPM of Legato's Networker Backup 
Client on FBSD 7.1  I do not know if this is possible but I hope so.  :)

I have followed instructions in the Handbook and 
http://www.linux.com/articles/53055.  I am at the point of installing an 
appropriate linux_base port and linux_base-f8 seemed like the most 
recent/reasonable.  However when I attempt to install, I get this output:

** Port marked as IGNORE: emulators/linux_base-f8:
        compat.linux.osrelease: 2.4.2 is not supported
** Listing the failed packages (-:ignored / *:skipped / !:failed)
        - emulators/linux_base-f8

Further Google searches suggest that compat.linux.osrelease is a sysctl 
setting.  I've seen reference to setting it to 2.6.16 but also that this 
is experimental.  I found http://wiki.freebsd.org/linux-kernel but this 
leaves me confused as well.

Bottom line, what linux_base port should I install and do I need to set 
this sysctl to something?  I'm confused...

Thanks,

Drew

-- 
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Visit The Alchemist's Warehouse

http://www.alchemistswarehouse.com

From noc at hdk5.net  Fri Nov  7 09:45:19 2008
From: noc at hdk5.net (Al Plant)
Date: Fri Nov  7 09:45:26 2008
Subject: recommendation word processer for xfce
In-Reply-To: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBKEJOCMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>
References: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBKEJOCMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>
Message-ID: <49147EAE.7080302@hdk5.net>

FBSD1 wrote:
> Looking for word processer that runs on xfce and can output document in
> ms/word format.
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
> 
Aloha, 	

I use ABIword from ports.

-- 

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   + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org +
   + http://aloha50.net   - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* +
   < email: noc@hdk5.net >
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From frankstaals at gmx.net  Fri Nov  7 10:37:24 2008
From: frankstaals at gmx.net (Frank Staals)
Date: Fri Nov  7 10:37:30 2008
Subject: recommendation word processer for xfce
In-Reply-To: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBKEJOCMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>
References: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBKEJOCMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>
Message-ID: <49148AE1.7010601@gmx.net>

FBSD1 wrote:
> Looking for word processer that runs on xfce and can output document in
> ms/word format.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> _______________________________________________
> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
>
>   
Well not realy solution for the problem you mentioned. But if you have a 
bit of a programming background you may want to take a look at TeX/LaTeX 
for you documents. I know it may be like using a cannon to kill a fly 
but I prefer writing my documents in my basic-text editor using  TeX 
much rather than in a a word-like application. Besides that it looks a 
lot better IMO. Might be something to look into if you are not realy 
satisfied with word-processors.

Good luck,

-- 

- Frank

From mdh_lists at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  7 11:18:03 2008
From: mdh_lists at yahoo.com (mdh)
Date: Fri Nov  7 11:18:09 2008
Subject: host -6 failure
Message-ID: <602990.94226.qm@web56802.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Howdy folks,
I'm having a little trouble understanding a problem that the `host` command in RELENG_7_0 (very recent) is having.  This is by and large my first time working with IPv6, which I've been meaning to learn for some time.  First off, I've got my zone file configured to return a AAAA record for x1.mydomain and named isn't complaining.  However, when I run `host -6 x1.mydomain`, host returns the following output:

(root@rapier) [/etc/namedb]: host -6 x1.mydomain
/usr/src/lib/bind/isc/../../../contrib/bind9/lib/isc/unix/socket.c:1179: internal_send: ::ffff:127.0.0.1#53: Invalid argument
/usr/src/lib/bind/isc/../../../contrib/bind9/lib/isc/unix/socket.c:1179: internal_send: ::ffff:IP.IP.IP.8#53: Invalid argument
/usr/src/lib/bind/isc/../../../contrib/bind9/lib/isc/unix/socket.c:1179: internal_send: ::ffff:127.0.0.1#53: Invalid argument
/usr/src/lib/bind/isc/../../../contrib/bind9/lib/isc/unix/socket.c:1179: internal_send: ::ffff:IP.IP.IP.8#53: Invalid argument
;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached

IP.IP.IP.8 is my ISP's DNS server, and is a third option just in case the localhost DNS server crashes or goes batty while I'm out drinking or somesuch.  Here's my resolv.conf, which shows ::1 listed as the second nameserver entry - however, it seems host -6 never even tries it.  

domain          mydomain
search          mydomain
nameserver      127.0.0.1
nameserver      ::1
nameserver      IP.IP.IP.8

The DNS server running on localhost is authoritative for mydomain.  I can ping it via localhost using both v4 and v6, and I can also ping the external v4 and v6 addresses just fine remotely.  

As I said, I'm new to IPv6, but this behavior seems to be counterintuitive.  Am I just doing it wrong?  

Thanks, Matt



      
From freebsd at edvax.de  Fri Nov  7 11:19:57 2008
From: freebsd at edvax.de (Polytropon)
Date: Fri Nov  7 11:20:06 2008
Subject: eps to jpg conversion - which program?
In-Reply-To: <49143663.9070804@shopzeus.com>
References: <49143663.9070804@shopzeus.com>
Message-ID: <20081107201954.5d7e4993.freebsd@edvax.de>

On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 13:36:51 +0100, Laszlo Nagy <gandalf@shopzeus.com> wrote:
> 
>   Hi,
> 
> I need to convert eps files into jpeg files in batch mode. Gimp works 
> perfectly, except that I cannot use an X display. I tried eps2png with 
> no success:

You can use the convert command from ImageMagick:

	convert <eps-file> <jpg-file>

A batch solution is simple:

	#!/bin/sh
	for f in *eps; do
		convert ${f} `basename ${f} .eps`.jpg
	done

You can add

	[ ! -f `basename ${f} .eps`.jpg ] && 

infront of the convert command to avoid repeated conversions.



-- 
Polytropon
>From Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
From freebsd at edvax.de  Fri Nov  7 11:34:16 2008
From: freebsd at edvax.de (Polytropon)
Date: Fri Nov  7 11:34:23 2008
Subject: recommendation word processer for xfce
In-Reply-To: <49148AE1.7010601@gmx.net>
References: <NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBKEJOCMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>
	<49148AE1.7010601@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20081107203409.6857c714.freebsd@edvax.de>

On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:37:21 +0100, Frank Staals <frankstaals@gmx.net> wrote:
> Well not realy solution for the problem you mentioned. But if you have a 
> bit of a programming background you may want to take a look at TeX/LaTeX 
> for you documents. I know it may be like using a cannon to kill a fly 
> but I prefer writing my documents in my basic-text editor using  TeX 
> much rather than in a a word-like application.

A big advantage is that LaTeX source files are plain text, so they
can be transferred between systems without problems. Furthermore,
you don't need a particular program to read a file.


> Besides that it looks a 
> lot better IMO.

>From the standpoint of typography LaTeX is superior to any WYSIWYG
word processor. Why? Because it's a professional typesetting system.
Hyphenation, paragraph setting, picture adjustment and other things
tha are important are handled correctly. The support for other
languages (e. g. German) is excellent.


> Might be something to look into if you are not realy 
> satisfied with word-processors.

An alternative to use the power of LaTeX without needing to know
about the macros is to use LyX. But using LaTeX itself is much
easier.

The difference between LaTeX and the usual wprd processors is like
the difference between HTML (created by hand) and the crap that
comes out of authoring systems and CMSs.

I'm doing most of my stuff with LaTeX: Letters (dinbrief class),
technical documentation, statistics (in combination with gnuplot),
books (stories), lists and forms. When you're familiar with
LaTeX, you won't want to miss it, because you can work faster
*and* get better results than anyone with the usual "Word" skills,
clickity click, nyak nyak, blah blah. :-)



-- 
Polytropon
>From Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
From 240olofsson at telia.com  Fri Nov  7 11:39:53 2008
From: 240olofsson at telia.com (Roger Olofsson)
Date: Fri Nov  7 11:40:01 2008
Subject: what is your programming language on freebsd?
In-Reply-To: <20081106220151.N28070@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
References: <49131701.9020208@extracktor.com>
	<20081106220151.N28070@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
Message-ID: <49149984.8050108@telia.com>



Wojciech Puchar skrev:
>> may be asking in the wrong mailing list, but my impression is that mono
>> on FreeBSD is generally not a popular idea.
>>
>> To pose my questions to the developers in the FreeBSD community:
>> 1. What programming language(s) do you deploy on FreeBSD?
> 
> whatever i need. i personally use mostly C.
> 
>> 2. Is FreeBSD more optimised in performance for any particular language?
> 
> i don't think so.
> 
>> 3. Is FreeBSD even a popular choice as a development platform, or is it
>> better suited as a special-purpose OS (eg. mail server, DNS server)?
> 
> i don't know how popular it is for what tasks. but it works excellent 
> for all you specified. it's unix anyway.
> _______________________________________________
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IMHO there are only three alternatives left these days when creativity 
seems to be fading.... C - the prince among languages and Eclipse + Java 
  - the future already today.

And - For learning purposes - the highly underrated Pascal by Niklaus Wirth.

In my mind C was created as a tool needed to create UNIX....Where did 
creativity like this vanish?

(does anyone still use the word homepage?) (cm.bell-labs.com/~dmr)


/Roger

From darek at nyi.net  Fri Nov  7 11:58:47 2008
From: darek at nyi.net (Darek M.)
Date: Fri Nov  7 11:58:53 2008
Subject: sudo, LDAP, and Kerberos
Message-ID: <491497B1.80507@nyi.net>

I'm setting up a centralized Kerberos/LDAP authentication system and 
trying to get sudo to use a) Kerberos for the password, and b) LDAP for 
a non-local user's group.

Locally on a client system "/etc/sudoers" specifies %sysadmin to be able 
to sudo to root.  I don't need to move "sudoers" to LDAP just yet.

I've had success on some machines compiling sudo from source with 
--enable-kerb5 and --enable-ldap.  But on many other systems sudo 
segfaults, or returns bus errors, and overall gave me nothing but grief.

So I'm looking for alternate ways of supplying sudo with a user's 
group.  Is it possible to compile sudo (without kerberos and ldap 
support) and configure a pam.d file (/etc/pam.d/sudo) to interact with 
kerberos and LDAP?  I created a sudo file with

auth            sufficient      pam_opie.so             no_warn 
no_fake_prompts
auth            requisite       pam_opieaccess.so       no_warn allow_local
auth            sufficient      pam_krb5.so             warn try_first_pass
...

and running sudo (compiled with only a ./configure, no other options) as 
a non-local user I successfully authenticate, but then sudo has no idea 
of the group this user belongs to and says "not in the sudoers file".  
Is it possible to use PAM as a go-between for sudo and the remote LDAP 
system to provide sudo with the user's group info?

How has everyone else set up a central auth system?  Seems to me sudo's 
configure script has some flaws and I don't want to rely on it.  Maybe 
there's a better way, but aside from sudo acting up, the above would be 
a fine set up for me.

Any pointers appreciated.
- Darek
From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl  Fri Nov  7 12:01:33 2008
From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar)
Date: Fri Nov  7 12:01:40 2008
Subject: what is your programming language on freebsd?
In-Reply-To: <49149984.8050108@telia.com>
References: <49131701.9020208@extracktor.com>
	<20081106220151.N28070@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
	<49149984.8050108@telia.com>
Message-ID: <20081107210038.X36895@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>

> IMHO there are only three alternatives left these days when creativity seems 
> to be fading.... C - the prince among languages and Eclipse + Java  - the 
> future already today.
it's very sad that such crap like java have to be the future. 
unfortunately already it's popular.
From eitanadlerlist at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 12:22:45 2008
From: eitanadlerlist at gmail.com (Eitan Adler)
Date: Fri Nov  7 12:22:52 2008
Subject: Confused About Linux Compatibility
In-Reply-To: <491479A2.20406@mykitchentable.net>
References: <491479A2.20406@mykitchentable.net>
Message-ID: <4914A389.3070404@gmail.com>

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Drew Tomlinson wrote:

> Bottom line, what linux_base port should I install and do I need to set
> this sysctl to something?  I'm confused...
If you have a recent 7-STABLE changing the linux kernel version to
2.6.16   and running -f8 should not be a problem.  If your running 6-*
or 7-RELEASE stick with linux base fc4.

- --
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From bsam at ipt.ru  Fri Nov  7 12:34:09 2008
From: bsam at ipt.ru (Boris Samorodov)
Date: Fri Nov  7 12:34:17 2008
Subject: Confused About Linux Compatibility
In-Reply-To: <491479A2.20406@mykitchentable.net> (Drew Tomlinson's message of
	"Fri\, 07 Nov 2008 09\:23\:46 -0800")
References: <491479A2.20406@mykitchentable.net>
Message-ID: <46837793@bs1.sp34.ru>

Drew Tomlinson <drew@mykitchentable.net> writes:

> I am attempting to install a Linux RPM of Legato's Networker Backup
> Client on FBSD 7.1  I do not know if this is possible but I hope so.
> :)
>
> I have followed instructions in the Handbook and
> http://www.linux.com/articles/53055.  I am at the point of installing
> an appropriate linux_base port and linux_base-f8 seemed like the most
> recent/reasonable.  However when I attempt to install, I get this
> output:
>
> ** Port marked as IGNORE: emulators/linux_base-f8:
>        compat.linux.osrelease: 2.4.2 is not supported
> ** Listing the failed packages (-:ignored / *:skipped / !:failed)
>        - emulators/linux_base-f8
>
> Further Google searches suggest that compat.linux.osrelease is a
> sysctl setting.  I've seen reference to setting it to 2.6.16 but also
> that this is experimental.  I found
> http://wiki.freebsd.org/linux-kernel but this leaves me confused as
> well.
>
> Bottom line, what linux_base port should I install and do I need to
> set this sysctl to something?  I'm confused...

Current default (i.e. well tested and supported) linux base port is
linux_base-fc4 with compat.linux.osrelease=2.4.2. This should be your
first try. If you get any further questions a better mailing list (to
look for additional information as well as asking questions) is
freebsd-emulation@.


Cheers,
-- 
Boris Samorodov (bsam)
Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone & Internet SP
FreeBSD committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve
From nikola.lecic at anthesphoria.net  Fri Nov  7 13:05:56 2008
From: nikola.lecic at anthesphoria.net (Nikola =?UTF-8?B?TGXEjWnEhw==?=)
Date: Fri Nov  7 13:06:03 2008
Subject: Openoffice 3.0.0 - spellchecker not functioning
In-Reply-To: <1226067445.1360.11.camel@main.lerwick.hopto.org>
References: <200811061813.45150.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk>
	<1226067445.1360.11.camel@main.lerwick.hopto.org>
Message-ID: <20081107220233.62215f62@anthesphoria.net>

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On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 14:17:25 +0000
Craig Butler <craig001@lerwick.hopto.org> wrote:
 
> On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 18:13 +0000, Mike Clarke wrote:
> > I've installed en-openoffice.org-GB-3.0.0 from ports on my 6.4-RC1 
> > system. The install, using the command  
> > portinstall  -m "LOCALIZED_LANG=en-GB -DWITH_KDE" 
> > editors/openoffice.org-3, appeared to complete OK and I can 
> > run /usr/local/bin/openoffice.org-3.0.0-swriter but attempts to
> > check spelling in a document with known spelling errors always fail
> > to find any errors.
> > 
> > The "Available language modules" section in Tools - Options -
> > Language Settings - Writing Aids" is empty, unlike my copy of
> > Openoffice 2.3 which has 3 entries in this section.
> > 
> > Should the language modules have been installed or have I missed 
> > anything when installing the port?
> > 
> 
> Hi Mike,
> 
> Don't think ya missed anything, I am in the same boat...
> I also compiled with the LOCALIZED_LANG=en-GB flag.
> 
> Anybody with a solution ? my spelling isn't that good so would need to
> spell check my documents.

I have sr-openoffice.org-3.1.20081009/, i.e. openoffice.org-3-devel
compiled with

  'editors/openoffice*' => [
	'LOCALIZED_LANG=sr',
	'WITHOUT_CUPS=yes',
	'WITH_SYSTEM_FREETYPE=yes',
	'WITH_SYSTEM_ICU=yes',
  ]

on FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #0: Sun Oct 12 (i386) and I have all 3
sections in Tools -> Options -> Language Settings -> Writing Aids.

The OpenOffice.org dictionaries page says:

	IMPORTANT NOTE: From OpenOffice.org 3.0 on the dictionary wizard
	is not longer available -- Dictionaries are now available via
	the extensions repository.

		[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Dictionaries]

So, the OpenOffice.org-3 users are supposed to download .oxt files and
run them. However, I experienced the 'bad transfer url' problem with all
extension files; this was reported on FreeBSD mailing lists in the past
with no available solution.

Happily, the instruction from the same page (DictOOo-Wizard, intended
for OpenOffice.org-2) worked just fine in my OpenOffice-3. I downloaded

  http://ftp.services.openoffice.org/pub/OpenOffice.org/contrib/dictionaries/dicooo/DicOOo.sxw

and it worked like a charm, installing Hunspell Spellchecker module and
dictionary files.

Hope this helps.

- -- 
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From jmc-freebsd2 at milibyte.co.uk  Fri Nov  7 14:01:41 2008
From: jmc-freebsd2 at milibyte.co.uk (Mike Clarke)
Date: Fri Nov  7 14:01:49 2008
Subject: Openoffice 3.0.0 - spellchecker not functioning
In-Reply-To: <20081107220233.62215f62@anthesphoria.net>
References: <200811061813.45150.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk>
	<1226067445.1360.11.camel@main.lerwick.hopto.org>
	<20081107220233.62215f62@anthesphoria.net>
Message-ID: <200811072201.30766.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk>

On Friday 07 November 2008, Nikola Le?i? wrote:

> Happily, the instruction from the same page (DictOOo-Wizard, intended
> for OpenOffice.org-2) worked just fine in my OpenOffice-3. I
> downloaded
>
> ?
> http://ftp.services.openoffice.org/pub/OpenOffice.org/contrib/diction
>aries/dicooo/DicOOo.sxw
>
> and it worked like a charm, installing Hunspell Spellchecker module
> and dictionary files.
>
> Hope this helps.

Thanks for your help Nikola. I downloaded and ran DictOOo-Wizard and it 
worked perfectly.

-- 
Mike Clarke
From perrin at apotheon.com  Fri Nov  7 15:27:38 2008
From: perrin at apotheon.com (Chad Perrin)
Date: Fri Nov  7 15:27:45 2008
Subject: recommendation word processer for xfce
In-Reply-To: <35f70db10811062251v7df8c7d2y69112e1768dc0cf4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081107031744.GA7088@shepherd>
	<NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBMEKBCMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>
	<35f70db10811062251v7df8c7d2y69112e1768dc0cf4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081107232800.GB5725@kokopelli.hydra>

On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 08:51:06AM +0200, Ross Cameron wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 5:34 AM, FBSD1 <fbsd1@a1poweruser.com> wrote:
> 
> >        Top posting is how Microsoft outlook works. Nothing I can do about
> > it.
> > sorry
> 
> Ditch Outlook and use Evolution or Thunderbird or KMail or <hell anything>

. . . or, as someone else pointed out, one could just learn to scroll to
the end before typing.  It's not that difficult -- even in Outlook.

-- 
Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ]
Quoth Larry Wall: "You can never entirely stop being what you once were.
That's why it's important to be the right person today, and not put it
off till tomorrow."
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From steve at Watt.COM  Fri Nov  7 15:45:04 2008
From: steve at Watt.COM (Steve Watt)
Date: Fri Nov  7 15:45:11 2008
Subject: Glob error?
Message-ID: <20081107231303.GA9804@wattres.Watt.COM>

( Please cc: me on replies, as I can't keep up with traffic on -questions )

I did the following:

% cd /tmp
% mkdir -p a/dir1/new a/dir1/cur
% mkdir -p b/dir1/new b/dir1/cur
% mkdir -p c/dir1/new c/dir1/cur
% ls -ld */dir1/new
drwxrwxr-x  2 steve  wheel  512 Nov  7 15:10 a/dir1/new/
% 

System is:
FreeBSD wattres.Watt.COM 6.3-STABLE FreeBSD 6.3-STABLE #9: Tue May 13 16:06:34 PDT 2008     root@wattres.Watt.COM:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/WATTRES  i386

Source was probably updated a few hours before the kernel build time.

Shell doesn't seem to matter (have tried both tcsh and bash).

My cygwin installation seems to get it right.

Known issue?  A quick glance for "glob" in gnats didn't show anything promising.
-- 
Steve Watt KD6GGD  PP-ASEL-IA          ICBM: 121W 56' 57.5" / 37N 20' 15.3"
 Internet: steve @ Watt.COM                      Whois: SW32-ARIN
   Free time?  There's no such thing.  It just comes in varying prices...
From perrin at apotheon.com  Fri Nov  7 15:48:52 2008
From: perrin at apotheon.com (Chad Perrin)
Date: Fri Nov  7 15:48:59 2008
Subject: (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <gf18pi$cjt$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <49138F93.3040300@embarqmail.com> <gf18pi$cjt$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <20081107234914.GC5725@kokopelli.hydra>

On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 06:28:07AM -0500, Michael Powell wrote:
> 
> If you are totally new to Linux/Unix and have zero experience and just want
> an easy, out of the box "something other" than XP you might try the latest
> incarnation of Kubuntu. I know in a FreeBSD list these comments are
> sacrilege, but the broader picture is what your needs truly are.

I'd suggest PC-BSD instead, and not only because it's a FreeBSD spin-off.
It also provides PBI for software management, which will surely provide a
gentler transition for people used to the Microsoft way of installing
software, and doesn't make a lot of the design mistakes I see in Ubuntu
and its spin-offs.

DesktopBSD is a pretty good choice along those lines, too.  Still better
than Ubuntu, in my opinion.

Furthermore . . . they both use KDE by default, and you don't have to use
a red-headed stepchild or second-hand citizen like Kubuntu to get it.


> 
> Now running a real live "Web" presence out of your house is probably not
> really a good idea if it has anything to do with business. A personal blog
> can go down for indefinite periods and no harm done, but a business site is
> a different story. First, the reason for having your servers located in a
> data center is they are sitting directly on the "fat pipes" of the
> Internet. Second, these data centers are "multi homed" in their peerage to
> other backbones. If one connection path develops a problem your site is
> still going to be accessible via one of the other paths. You simply will
> never have the kind of connectivity found in a real data center at home.

Make sure the colocation facility of your choice is multi-homed before
simply assuming it is.  Some aren't.

-- 
Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ]
Quoth Larry Wall: "Just don't create a file called -rf."
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From freebsd at edvax.de  Fri Nov  7 16:02:12 2008
From: freebsd at edvax.de (Polytropon)
Date: Fri Nov  7 16:02:20 2008
Subject: Glob error?
In-Reply-To: <20081107231303.GA9804@wattres.Watt.COM>
References: <20081107231303.GA9804@wattres.Watt.COM>
Message-ID: <20081108010208.213ecadf.freebsd@edvax.de>

On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 15:13:03 -0800, Steve Watt <steve@Watt.COM> wrote:
> ( Please cc: me on replies, as I can't keep up with traffic on -questions )
> 
> I did the following:
> 
> % cd /tmp
> % mkdir -p a/dir1/new a/dir1/cur
> % mkdir -p b/dir1/new b/dir1/cur
> % mkdir -p c/dir1/new c/dir1/cur
> % ls -ld */dir1/new
> drwxrwxr-x  2 steve  wheel  512 Nov  7 15:10 a/dir1/new/
> % 

Really strange... I did use C Shell on FreeBSD 7-STABLE.

	% mkdir -p a/dir1/new a/dir1/cur
	% mkdir -p b/dir1/new b/dir1/cur
	% mkdir -p c/dir1/new c/dir1/cur
	% ls -ld */dir1/new
	drwxr-xr-x  2 poly  staff  512 Nov  8 00:57 a/dir1/new/
	drwxr-xr-x  2 poly  staff  512 Nov  8 00:57 b/dir1/new/
	drwxr-xr-x  2 poly  staff  512 Nov  8 00:57 c/dir1/new/


> Shell doesn't seem to matter (have tried both tcsh and bash).

I did try BASH too, with same result as above - works. The calls
to mkdir and ls refer to programs, not to shell internal commands.
The only problem could be the * wildcard that the shell would
have to expand before calling the actual ls program...




-- 
Polytropon
>From Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
From koitsu at FreeBSD.org  Fri Nov  7 16:19:49 2008
From: koitsu at FreeBSD.org (Jeremy Chadwick)
Date: Fri Nov  7 16:19:56 2008
Subject: Glob error?
In-Reply-To: <20081107231303.GA9804@wattres.Watt.COM>
References: <20081107231303.GA9804@wattres.Watt.COM>
Message-ID: <20081108001947.GA2913@icarus.home.lan>

On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 03:13:03PM -0800, Steve Watt wrote:
> ( Please cc: me on replies, as I can't keep up with traffic on -questions )
> 
> I did the following:
> 
> % cd /tmp
> % mkdir -p a/dir1/new a/dir1/cur
> % mkdir -p b/dir1/new b/dir1/cur
> % mkdir -p c/dir1/new c/dir1/cur
> % ls -ld */dir1/new
> drwxrwxr-x  2 steve  wheel  512 Nov  7 15:10 a/dir1/new/
> % 
> 
> System is:
> FreeBSD wattres.Watt.COM 6.3-STABLE FreeBSD 6.3-STABLE #9: Tue May 13 16:06:34 PDT 2008     root@wattres.Watt.COM:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/WATTRES  i386
> 
> Source was probably updated a few hours before the kernel build time.
> 
> Shell doesn't seem to matter (have tried both tcsh and bash).
> 
> My cygwin installation seems to get it right.
> 
> Known issue?  A quick glance for "glob" in gnats didn't show anything promising.

I can't reproduce this on any of the systems I have access to:

8.0-CURRENT amd64    (build: 2008/11/07)
7.1-PRERELEASE amd64 (build: 2008/10/02)
7.1-PRERELEASE i386  (build: 2008/10/12)
7.0-STABLE i386      (build: 2008/04/19)
6.4-PRERELEASE i386  (build: 2008/10/02)
6.4-PRERELEASE i386  (build: 2008/10/02; different box)
6.2-STABLE i386      (build: 2007/08/02)
4.8-RC i386          (build: 2003/03/18)

P.S. -- You're playing with Maildir, aren't you?  :-)

-- 
| Jeremy Chadwick                                jdc at parodius.com |
| Parodius Networking                       http://www.parodius.com/ |
| UNIX Systems Administrator                  Mountain View, CA, USA |
| Making life hard for others since 1977.              PGP: 4BD6C0CB |

From craig001 at lerwick.hopto.org  Fri Nov  7 16:40:29 2008
From: craig001 at lerwick.hopto.org (Craig Butler)
Date: Fri Nov  7 16:40:36 2008
Subject: Openoffice 3.0.0 - spellchecker not functioning
In-Reply-To: <200811072201.30766.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk>
References: <200811061813.45150.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk>
	<1226067445.1360.11.camel@main.lerwick.hopto.org>
	<20081107220233.62215f62@anthesphoria.net>
	<200811072201.30766.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1226104801.4037.0.camel@main.lerwick.hopto.org>



On Fri, 2008-11-07 at 22:01 +0000, Mike Clarke wrote:
> On Friday 07 November 2008, Nikola Le?i? wrote:
> 
> > Happily, the instruction from the same page (DictOOo-Wizard, intended
> > for OpenOffice.org-2) worked just fine in my OpenOffice-3. I
> > downloaded
> >
> >  
> > http://ftp.services.openoffice.org/pub/OpenOffice.org/contrib/diction
> >aries/dicooo/DicOOo.sxw
> >
> > and it worked like a charm, installing Hunspell Spellchecker module
> > and dictionary files.
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> 
> Thanks for your help Nikola. I downloaded and ran DictOOo-Wizard and it 
> worked perfectly.
> 

also worked like a charm here, thanks a million.

From steve at Watt.COM  Fri Nov  7 17:00:37 2008
From: steve at Watt.COM (Steve Watt)
Date: Fri Nov  7 17:00:44 2008
Subject: Glob error?
In-Reply-To: <20081108001947.GA2913@icarus.home.lan>
References: <20081107231303.GA9804@wattres.Watt.COM>
	<20081108001947.GA2913@icarus.home.lan>
Message-ID: <20081108010036.GA14193@wattres.Watt.COM>

On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 04:19:47PM -0800, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 03:13:03PM -0800, Steve Watt wrote:
> > ( Please cc: me on replies, as I can't keep up with traffic on -questions )
> > 
> > I did the following:
> > 
> > % cd /tmp
> > % mkdir -p a/dir1/new a/dir1/cur
> > % mkdir -p b/dir1/new b/dir1/cur
> > % mkdir -p c/dir1/new c/dir1/cur
> > % ls -ld */dir1/new
> > drwxrwxr-x  2 steve  wheel  512 Nov  7 15:10 a/dir1/new/
> > % 
> > 
> > System is:
> > FreeBSD wattres.Watt.COM 6.3-STABLE FreeBSD 6.3-STABLE #9: Tue May 13 16:06:34 PDT 2008     root@wattres.Watt.COM:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/WATTRES  i386
> > 
> > Source was probably updated a few hours before the kernel build time.
> > 
> > Shell doesn't seem to matter (have tried both tcsh and bash).
> > 
> > My cygwin installation seems to get it right.
> > 
> > Known issue?  A quick glance for "glob" in gnats didn't show anything promising.
> 
> I can't reproduce this on any of the systems I have access to:

Interesting.  The cvsup was 13 May, about 21Z.  I can't reproduce it
on a 7.1-PRE box (build: 2008-Oct-15) either.

The 6.3-STABLE box has been well-behaved since, so I haven't had a lot
of reason to futz with it.  Maybe I'll run it up to the top of 6-STABLE
tonight.

> 8.0-CURRENT amd64    (build: 2008/11/07)
> 7.1-PRERELEASE amd64 (build: 2008/10/02)
> 7.1-PRERELEASE i386  (build: 2008/10/12)
> 7.0-STABLE i386      (build: 2008/04/19)
> 6.4-PRERELEASE i386  (build: 2008/10/02)
> 6.4-PRERELEASE i386  (build: 2008/10/02; different box)
> 6.2-STABLE i386      (build: 2007/08/02)
> 4.8-RC i386          (build: 2003/03/18)
> 
> P.S. -- You're playing with Maildir, aren't you?  :-)

Hmm...  Wonder what tipped you off?  :)

I switched over to dovecot in Maildir mode for some of my users who
seem to have excessively large mailboxes.  Performance is much better
for them, and I'm trying to adapt myself.

Anyone know of patches for mush to use maildir or imap?  (Antique finger
neurons that really don't want to be retrained.)
From dannyman at toldme.com  Fri Nov  7 17:07:56 2008
From: dannyman at toldme.com (Daniel Howard)
Date: Fri Nov  7 17:08:03 2008
Subject: recommendation word processer for xfce
In-Reply-To: <20081107232800.GB5725@kokopelli.hydra>
References: <20081107031744.GA7088@shepherd>
	<NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBMEKBCMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>
	<35f70db10811062251v7df8c7d2y69112e1768dc0cf4@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081107232800.GB5725@kokopelli.hydra>
Message-ID: <2a5241e00811071636x6307da42pc36a9fb08914a3f7@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Chad Perrin <perrin@apotheon.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 08:51:06AM +0200, Ross Cameron wrote:
>> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 5:34 AM, FBSD1 <fbsd1@a1poweruser.com> wrote:
>>
>> >        Top posting is how Microsoft outlook works. Nothing I can do about
>> > it.
>> > sorry
>>
>> Ditch Outlook and use Evolution or Thunderbird or KMail or <hell anything>
>
> . . . or, as someone else pointed out, one could just learn to scroll to
> the end before typing.  It's not that difficult -- even in Outlook.

Press the END key.

-danny

-- 
http://dannyman.toldme.com
From pprocacci at datapipe.com  Fri Nov  7 17:19:44 2008
From: pprocacci at datapipe.com (Paul A. Procacci)
Date: Fri Nov  7 17:19:51 2008
Subject: Glob error?
In-Reply-To: <20081107231303.GA9804@wattres.Watt.COM>
References: <20081107231303.GA9804@wattres.Watt.COM>
Message-ID: <4914E67A.40409@datapipe.com>

Steve Watt wrote:
> ( Please cc: me on replies, as I can't keep up with traffic on -questions )
>
> I did the following:
>
> % cd /tmp
> % mkdir -p a/dir1/new a/dir1/cur
> % mkdir -p b/dir1/new b/dir1/cur
> % mkdir -p c/dir1/new c/dir1/cur
> % ls -ld */dir1/new
> drwxrwxr-x  2 steve  wheel  512 Nov  7 15:10 a/dir1/new/
> % 
>
> System is:
> FreeBSD wattres.Watt.COM 6.3-STABLE FreeBSD 6.3-STABLE #9: Tue May 13 16:06:34 PDT 2008     root@wattres.Watt.COM:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/WATTRES  i386
>
> Source was probably updated a few hours before the kernel build time.
>
> Shell doesn't seem to matter (have tried both tcsh and bash).
>
> My cygwin installation seems to get it right.
>
> Known issue?  A quick glance for "glob" in gnats didn't show anything promising.
>   

I too can't reproduce this on any of my machines:

nat# mkdir -p {a,b,c}/dir/{cur,new}
nat# ls -ld */dir/*
drwxr-xr-x  2 root  wheel  512 Nov  7 19:07 a/dir/cur
drwxr-xr-x  2 root  wheel  512 Nov  7 19:07 a/dir/new
drwxr-xr-x  2 root  wheel  512 Nov  7 19:07 b/dir/cur
drwxr-xr-x  2 root  wheel  512 Nov  7 19:07 b/dir/new
drwxr-xr-x  2 root  wheel  512 Nov  7 19:07 c/dir/cur
drwxr-xr-x  2 root  wheel  512 Nov  7 19:07 c/dir/new

Awefully strange indeed.
From kline at thought.org  Fri Nov  7 17:20:15 2008
From: kline at thought.org (Gary Kline)
Date: Fri Nov  7 17:20:21 2008
Subject: new idea: requiring php and java; maybe other ports...
Message-ID: <20081108012007.GA62941@thought.org>


	Yesterday while I was trying to read a newspaper article online 
	using firefox yet-another idea struck me.  This may/may not work
	with FreeBSD ... or is might be crafted for FBSD 1st and later
	ported to every other operating system.  To avoid flames, I'll
	just mention this.  Any interested hackers, please write me
	offlist.

	gary

-- 
 Gary Kline  kline@thought.org  http://www.thought.org  Public Service Unix
        http://jottings.thought.org   http://transfinite.thought.org


From drew at mykitchentable.net  Fri Nov  7 17:57:48 2008
From: drew at mykitchentable.net (Drew Tomlinson)
Date: Fri Nov  7 17:57:56 2008
Subject: Confused About Linux Compatibility
In-Reply-To: <4914A389.3070404@gmail.com>
References: <491479A2.20406@mykitchentable.net> <4914A389.3070404@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4914F214.40507@mykitchentable.net>

Eitan Adler wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Drew Tomlinson wrote:
>
>   
>> Bottom line, what linux_base port should I install and do I need to set
>> this sysctl to something?  I'm confused...
>>     
> If you have a recent 7-STABLE changing the linux kernel version to
> 2.6.16   and running -f8 should not be a problem.  If your running 6-*
> or 7-RELEASE stick with linux base fc4.
>   

Thank you for your reply.  I am running 7.1-PRERELEASE.  I plan to 
update to 7.1-RELEASE as soon as I can get to the console, probably 
within the next month or so.  Is 7.1-PRERELEASE recent enough for -f8?  
It was built Oct. 9th.  Is there any big advantage of -f8 over -fc4?  I 
guess I just *feel* like -f8 would be more "updated" and less hassle in 
the long run.  However I know that with software, newer isn't always 
better.  :)

Thanks,

Drew

-- 
Be a Great Magician!
Visit The Alchemist's Warehouse

http://www.alchemistswarehouse.com

From drew at mykitchentable.net  Fri Nov  7 17:59:33 2008
From: drew at mykitchentable.net (Drew Tomlinson)
Date: Fri Nov  7 17:59:40 2008
Subject: Confused About Linux Compatibility
In-Reply-To: <46837793@bs1.sp34.ru>
References: <491479A2.20406@mykitchentable.net> <46837793@bs1.sp34.ru>
Message-ID: <4914F27D.5040201@mykitchentable.net>

Boris Samorodov wrote:
> Drew Tomlinson <drew@mykitchentable.net> writes:
>
>   
>> I am attempting to install a Linux RPM of Legato's Networker Backup
>> Client on FBSD 7.1  I do not know if this is possible but I hope so.
>> :)
>>
>> I have followed instructions in the Handbook and
>> http://www.linux.com/articles/53055.  I am at the point of installing
>> an appropriate linux_base port and linux_base-f8 seemed like the most
>> recent/reasonable.  However when I attempt to install, I get this
>> output:
>>
>> ** Port marked as IGNORE: emulators/linux_base-f8:
>>        compat.linux.osrelease: 2.4.2 is not supported
>> ** Listing the failed packages (-:ignored / *:skipped / !:failed)
>>        - emulators/linux_base-f8
>>
>> Further Google searches suggest that compat.linux.osrelease is a
>> sysctl setting.  I've seen reference to setting it to 2.6.16 but also
>> that this is experimental.  I found
>> http://wiki.freebsd.org/linux-kernel but this leaves me confused as
>> well.
>>
>> Bottom line, what linux_base port should I install and do I need to
>> set this sysctl to something?  I'm confused...
>>     
>
> Current default (i.e. well tested and supported) linux base port is
> linux_base-fc4 with compat.linux.osrelease=2.4.2. This should be your
> first try. If you get any further questions a better mailing list (to
> look for additional information as well as asking questions) is
> freebsd-emulation@.

Thanks for your reply and the suggestion of freebsd-emulation@.

Cheers,

Drew

-- 
Be a Great Magician!
Visit The Alchemist's Warehouse

http://www.alchemistswarehouse.com

From rock_on_the_web at comcen.com.au  Fri Nov  7 18:37:22 2008
From: rock_on_the_web at comcen.com.au (Da Rock)
Date: Fri Nov  7 18:37:29 2008
Subject: Messenger servers
Message-ID: <1226111879.1220.9.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au>

I haven't checked the list for around a week- I'm still catching up! :)

I'm trying to sort out a messenger server for work purposes, and
although I've found a few I'm hoping some input from sysadmins who have
deployed these might help our decision. I've found Gale, Jabberd2,
OpenFire, and SJECS (Sun Java Communication Suite).

Our requirements are for collaboration (multiple users simultaneous
chatting together- with audio/video if possible), realtime audio/video
(with a preference for audio; ergo video can go to the dogs to maintain
audio quality, although a means to adjust this- on the fly if possible-
would be useful), and chat.

Tall order, eh? Ease of admin would be good, but my main concern is
stability and reliability (I'll make up a software solution to
administrate if needs be).

Thanks guys.

From rock_on_the_web at comcen.com.au  Fri Nov  7 18:52:37 2008
From: rock_on_the_web at comcen.com.au (Da Rock)
Date: Fri Nov  7 18:52:44 2008
Subject: (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <49138F93.3040300@embarqmail.com>
References: <49138F93.3040300@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <1226112794.1220.20.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au>


On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 19:45 -0500, SAM HAYNES wrote:
> Greetings, O Learned Ones
> from:  Sam Haynes, Pathfinders 2008
> 
> I haven't the foggiest as to how you came to be in my favorites list, 
> other than that I probably tagged you in an ongoing search for both or 
> either something to replace Win XP  and or build my own personal server.
> 
> I have been usining XP for several years now.  Recently, I tried to 
> install XP from my OEM cd and was notified by Gates and Company that XP 
> would no longer be supported. Bummer! So what else is new?  Time to part 
> company with Bill? Vista was tha final straw.
> 
> I need something that will replace XP in all the essentials but without 
> a useless bag full of coverups for poor performance..
> 
> Debian was the first encouraging encounter. It was recommended as a 
> cheap entry into the personal server concept, using a two to three year 
> old PC chassis. Sounded good but I could never figure out just how to 
> download it.
> 
> So, FreeBSD appears in my fave list and server appears in the same 
> paragraph as operating system.  Here is my plan.
> 
> I am 76, a retired Master Electrician, PC builder since '87, have a wife 
> of 40 plus years, debilitating medical problems and a strong belief that 
> I can milk a living out of internet affiliate marketing despite the 
> current economic crisis.
> 
> My current model is to generate a basic website, use my existing isp to 
> promote two consistent converting products, bootstrap the proceeds from 
> that into building my own dedicated server to market 'how-to' products 
> over a hundred or more websites.
> 
> All using ready to serve apps and a WYSIWYG HTML  generator.
> 
> I appreciate your time reading this over long monologue... I'd 
> appreciate it even more if you could take some time to throw some 
> suggestions back at me..
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Sam I Am, PATHFINDERS 2008

Perhaps you should try the linux distros first to get a bit of a feel of
*nix variants? FreeBSD can be daunting to the first time user, but is
one hell of a production system once you know how to handle it properly.

Maybe start with Ubuntu rather than Debian straight off (I never quite
worked out how to download Debian either... wierd bunch that :) ), it is
a bit like a half way house for new users, and helps out with some of
the usual administrative tasks. Fedora is another good one, but the
support is better with ubuntu, plus the Ubuntu is more forgiving admin
wise.

In any case I'd say you'll be in for a steep learning curve, but at
least the gradient is not as sharp when you start with Ubuntu.

Keep watching this list, it'll answer any questions you have (no matter
how silly they may seem to experienced users, and without most of the
condescension you'll find on a lot of lists- Ubuntu support is similar
to this list), and read the handbook, and eventually you'll be able to
tame one of the most powerful operating systems in the computing world
and put it to work for you. Some servers have been going for months and
even years without stopping (depending on security required and
experience of the admin), so it is rock solid.

Good luck!

From stupendoussteve at hotmail.com  Fri Nov  7 19:30:20 2008
From: stupendoussteve at hotmail.com (Steven Susbauer)
Date: Fri Nov  7 19:30:28 2008
Subject: Messenger servers
In-Reply-To: <1226111879.1220.9.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au>
References: <1226111879.1220.9.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au>
Message-ID: <BAY122-DAV15D4564320A5C57CB0041BA180@phx.gbl>

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From mail at ozzmosis.com  Fri Nov  7 19:48:43 2008
From: mail at ozzmosis.com (andrew clarke)
Date: Fri Nov  7 19:48:50 2008
Subject: Glob error?
In-Reply-To: <20081107231303.GA9804@wattres.Watt.COM>
References: <20081107231303.GA9804@wattres.Watt.COM>
Message-ID: <20081108032158.GB70575@ozzmosis.com>

On Fri 2008-11-07 15:13:03 UTC-0800, Steve Watt (steve@Watt.COM) wrote:

> % mkdir -p a/dir1/new a/dir1/cur
> % mkdir -p b/dir1/new b/dir1/cur
> % mkdir -p c/dir1/new c/dir1/cur
> % ls -ld */dir1/new
> drwxrwxr-x  2 steve  wheel  512 Nov  7 15:10 a/dir1/new/

What file system are you using?
From servco50 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  7 18:38:38 2008
From: servco50 at yahoo.com (S C)
Date: Fri Nov  7 20:52:52 2008
Subject: install on Dell SMT-116B
Message-ID: <117.70694.qm@web57004.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I'm trying to install 7.0-RELEASE from cd on a Dell SMT-116B, but it is hanging on GEOM_LABEL: Label for provider acd0 is iso9660/FreeBSD_INSTALL.

Is this computer just incompatible with FreeBSD, or is there something I can do to get it working?



      
From bipolor at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 23:25:21 2008
From: bipolor at gmail.com (Mike Price)
Date: Fri Nov  7 23:25:28 2008
Subject: Port Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator for FreeBSD?
Message-ID: <a15f9fba0811072252i27d2313fw4a43b7891427fe08@mail.gmail.com>

Hello guys,

Is there a port like Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator for FreeBSD?
I would like to move to FreeBSD as soon as possible.


Thanks,
DEK
From rsmith at xs4all.nl  Sat Nov  8 00:12:38 2008
From: rsmith at xs4all.nl (Roland Smith)
Date: Sat Nov  8 00:12:45 2008
Subject: Port Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator for FreeBSD?
In-Reply-To: <a15f9fba0811072252i27d2313fw4a43b7891427fe08@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a15f9fba0811072252i27d2313fw4a43b7891427fe08@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081108081229.GA3176@slackbox.xs4all.nl>

On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 10:52:08PM -0800, Mike Price wrote:
> Hello guys,
> 
> Is there a port like Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator for FreeBSD?
> I would like to move to FreeBSD as soon as possible.

You could try the gimp for manipulating bitmap images. For creating
vector images, try either inkscape or xaralx. They're all in ports.

Roland
-- 
R.F.Smith                                   http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/
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From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl  Sat Nov  8 00:33:46 2008
From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar)
Date: Sat Nov  8 00:33:53 2008
Subject: Port Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator for FreeBSD?
In-Reply-To: <20081108081229.GA3176@slackbox.xs4all.nl>
References: <a15f9fba0811072252i27d2313fw4a43b7891427fe08@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081108081229.GA3176@slackbox.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <20081108093248.J42716@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>

> On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 10:52:08PM -0800, Mike Price wrote:
>> Hello guys,
>>
>> Is there a port like Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator for FreeBSD?
>> I would like to move to FreeBSD as soon as possible.
>
> You could try the gimp for manipulating bitmap images. For creating
> vector images, try either inkscape or xaralx. They're all in ports.
>
i have a friend that do offset printing.

he have to use windoze and photoshop for only one reason - gimp doesn't 
support editing CMYK images
From rock_on_the_web at comcen.com.au  Sat Nov  8 01:22:56 2008
From: rock_on_the_web at comcen.com.au (Da Rock)
Date: Sat Nov  8 01:23:04 2008
Subject: Port Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator for FreeBSD?
In-Reply-To: <20081108093248.J42716@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
References: <a15f9fba0811072252i27d2313fw4a43b7891427fe08@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081108081229.GA3176@slackbox.xs4all.nl>
	<20081108093248.J42716@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
Message-ID: <1226136215.1220.27.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au>


On Sat, 2008-11-08 at 09:33 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 10:52:08PM -0800, Mike Price wrote:
> >> Hello guys,
> >>
> >> Is there a port like Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator for FreeBSD?
> >> I would like to move to FreeBSD as soon as possible.
> >
> > You could try the gimp for manipulating bitmap images. For creating
> > vector images, try either inkscape or xaralx. They're all in ports.
> >
> i have a friend that do offset printing.
> 
> he have to use windoze and photoshop for only one reason - gimp doesn't 
> support editing CMYK images

Actually it does have limited support. I do printing myself, and I
refuse to use M$ crap.

To be able to do the job I use Gimp for some editing (making sure to use
the CMYK ICC) and it will save in a RGB format. I then use scribus with
the same ICC to save in CMYK and final layout. It works very well in
fact.

Consider Gimp like Photoshop and Scribus like Illustrator. For help and
tips try meet the gimp, he offers an podcast in tips and tricks in Gimp
(and sometimes compares them to Photoshop methods).

Good luck :)

From rsmith at xs4all.nl  Sat Nov  8 01:27:00 2008
From: rsmith at xs4all.nl (Roland Smith)
Date: Sat Nov  8 01:27:07 2008
Subject: Port Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator for FreeBSD?
In-Reply-To: <20081108093248.J42716@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
References: <a15f9fba0811072252i27d2313fw4a43b7891427fe08@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081108081229.GA3176@slackbox.xs4all.nl>
	<20081108093248.J42716@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
Message-ID: <20081108092653.GA4438@slackbox.xs4all.nl>

On Sat, Nov 08, 2008 at 09:33:36AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 10:52:08PM -0800, Mike Price wrote:
> >> Hello guys,
> >>
> >> Is there a port like Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator for FreeBSD?
> >> I would like to move to FreeBSD as soon as possible.
> >
> > You could try the gimp for manipulating bitmap images. For creating
> > vector images, try either inkscape or xaralx. They're all in ports.
> >
> i have a friend that do offset printing.
> 
> he have to use windoze and photoshop for only one reason - gimp doesn't 
> support editing CMYK images

Nobody has ever said that the gimp was suitable for all purposes. But it
seems that most users of gimp (and photoshop) don't need it.

Most of the gimp users seem to use it for editing photos or making web
graphics, where RGB is fine. Adding and testing CMYK capabilities
is both time-consuming and costly because you need access to pre-press
equipment to do meaningfull testing, see:
http://rants.scribus.net/2006/06/03/why-no-cmyk-in-gimp-is-a-good-thing-now/

However, there is a gimp plug-in for exporting CMYK images: 
http://cue.yellowmagic.info/softwares/separate.html

Roland
-- 
R.F.Smith                                   http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/
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From unga888 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  8 01:56:42 2008
From: unga888 at yahoo.com (Unga)
Date: Sat Nov  8 01:56:48 2008
Subject: No pam_module.so found
Message-ID: <181618.24843.qm@web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi all

I have built FreeBSD 7.0 with openpam (ver. 20071221) on (i386).

Now I cannot login through the console, it gives following error message:
login: in openpam_load_module(): no pam_self.so found
login: pam_start(): system error

But I can login remotely using ssh. In both cases I tried only root account.

After ssh into the system, when I try to login as another user, it gives following error on the console:
su -l test

su: in openpam_load_module(): no pam_rootok.so found
su: pam_start: system error

All my pam modules reside in /usr/lib/ and the version number of pam modules match the version number of the libpam (/usr/lib/libpam.so.2). Eg. pam_self.so.2 and pam_rootok.so.2 are available in /usr/lib/.

My first question is, is suffix 2 in this case, the Module Version number?

Second question, what do you guys think, why pam cannot find pam modules?

Kind regards
Unga








      
From nightrecon at verizon.net  Sat Nov  8 02:42:22 2008
From: nightrecon at verizon.net (Michael Powell)
Date: Sat Nov  8 02:42:29 2008
Subject: (no subject)
References: <49138F93.3040300@embarqmail.com> <gf18pi$cjt$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<20081107234914.GC5725@kokopelli.hydra>
Message-ID: <gf3qdu$mk4$1@ger.gmane.org>

Chad Perrin wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 06:28:07AM -0500, Michael Powell wrote:
>> 
>> If you are totally new to Linux/Unix and have zero experience and just
>> want an easy, out of the box "something other" than XP you might try the
>> latest incarnation of Kubuntu. I know in a FreeBSD list these comments
>> are sacrilege, but the broader picture is what your needs truly are.

I take that back - I just examined the latest Kubuntu. It is the simplest to
install of just about anything I've seen, but once installed is just so
excruciatingly annoying! Ease of install doesn't make up for the short
sightedness of Canonical.
 
> I'd suggest PC-BSD instead, and not only because it's a FreeBSD spin-off.
> It also provides PBI for software management, which will surely provide a
> gentler transition for people used to the Microsoft way of installing
> software, and doesn't make a lot of the design mistakes I see in Ubuntu
> and its spin-offs.
> 
> DesktopBSD is a pretty good choice along those lines, too.  Still better
> than Ubuntu, in my opinion.
> 
> Furthermore . . . they both use KDE by default, and you don't have to use
> a red-headed stepchild or second-hand citizen like Kubuntu to get it.
> 

Yes, I like this suggestion better - I've just never used either one but
rather just built KDE out from ports. I just took some brief looks at
Kubuntu 8.10 in a VirtualBox VM and it still annoys me no end. I had used
it some time in the past and needed reminding why I quit. Fedora 9 looks a
trifle better, and the openSUSE 11.1 Beta is a train wreck. So my desktop
will probably stay openSUSE 10.3 as this allows me to get work done. If
none of the "newer, improved and advanced" Linuxes get their act together
soon I will probably be returning to KDE on FreeBSD in the not very distant
future. I just can't spend all my time screwing around with b***cr**.

>> 
>> Now running a real live "Web" presence out of your house is probably not
>> really a good idea if it has anything to do with business. A personal
>> blog can go down for indefinite periods and no harm done, but a business
>> site is a different story. First, the reason for having your servers
>> located in a data center is they are sitting directly on the "fat pipes"
>> of the Internet. Second, these data centers are "multi homed" in their
>> peerage to other backbones. If one connection path develops a problem
>> your site is still going to be accessible via one of the other paths. You
>> simply will never have the kind of connectivity found in a real data
>> center at home.
> 
> Make sure the colocation facility of your choice is multi-homed before
> simply assuming it is.  Some aren't.
> 

I wouldn't want one with less than 3 peerages, and I'm in favor of full mesh
arrangements. But at this stage of the game I think the OP is better served
by learning how it all works before he starts co-locating or leasing
dedicated boxen. Baby steps first, so to speak.

-Mike
 

From jonathan+freebsd-questions at hst.org.za  Sat Nov  8 02:56:36 2008
From: jonathan+freebsd-questions at hst.org.za (Jonathan McKeown)
Date: Sat Nov  8 02:56:44 2008
Subject: eps to jpg conversion - which program?
In-Reply-To: <20081107201954.5d7e4993.freebsd@edvax.de>
References: <49143663.9070804@shopzeus.com>
	<20081107201954.5d7e4993.freebsd@edvax.de>
Message-ID: <200811081212.46286.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za>

On Friday 07 November 2008 21:19, Polytropon wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 13:36:51 +0100, Laszlo Nagy <gandalf@shopzeus.com> 
wrote:

> A batch solution is simple:
>
> 	#!/bin/sh
> 	for f in *eps; do
> 		convert ${f} `basename ${f} .eps`.jpg
> 	done

You can also save yourself repeated calls to basename by using

for f in *eps; do
    convert ${f%.eps}.jpg
done

Look under parameter expansion in the manpage for sh(1) (or bash(1) if you 
have bash installed). As far as I can tell csh/tcsh doesn't support this 
useful feature.

Essentially, a Bourne-type shell with parameter expansion expands 
${variable#prefix} or ${variable%suffix} to $variable with the prefix or 
suffix, respectively, removed.

Jonathan
From rock_on_the_web at comcen.com.au  Sat Nov  8 03:05:39 2008
From: rock_on_the_web at comcen.com.au (Da Rock)
Date: Sat Nov  8 03:05:47 2008
Subject: Port Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator for FreeBSD?
In-Reply-To: <20081108092653.GA4438@slackbox.xs4all.nl>
References: <a15f9fba0811072252i27d2313fw4a43b7891427fe08@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081108081229.GA3176@slackbox.xs4all.nl>
	<20081108093248.J42716@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
	<20081108092653.GA4438@slackbox.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <1226142379.1220.32.camel@laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au>


On Sat, 2008-11-08 at 10:26 +0100, Roland Smith wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 08, 2008 at 09:33:36AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> > > On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 10:52:08PM -0800, Mike Price wrote:
> > >> Hello guys,
> > >>
> > >> Is there a port like Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator for FreeBSD?
> > >> I would like to move to FreeBSD as soon as possible.
> > >
> > > You could try the gimp for manipulating bitmap images. For creating
> > > vector images, try either inkscape or xaralx. They're all in ports.
> > >
> > i have a friend that do offset printing.
> > 
> > he have to use windoze and photoshop for only one reason - gimp doesn't 
> > support editing CMYK images
> 
> Nobody has ever said that the gimp was suitable for all purposes. But it
> seems that most users of gimp (and photoshop) don't need it.
> 
> Most of the gimp users seem to use it for editing photos or making web
> graphics, where RGB is fine. Adding and testing CMYK capabilities
> is both time-consuming and costly because you need access to pre-press
> equipment to do meaningfull testing, see:
> http://rants.scribus.net/2006/06/03/why-no-cmyk-in-gimp-is-a-good-thing-now/
> 
> However, there is a gimp plug-in for exporting CMYK images: 
> http://cue.yellowmagic.info/softwares/separate.html

Actually I've checked that out and it isn't much chop unless you
specifically want to create colour sep plates. Gimp can handle CMYK
palettes because they're a subset of the RGB palette. Just use the right
ICC, import into scribus, and save as a pdf (or whatever).

From gesbbb at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  8 03:56:13 2008
From: gesbbb at yahoo.com (Jerry)
Date: Sat Nov  8 04:26:52 2008
Subject: recommendation word processer for xfce
In-Reply-To: <20081107232800.GB5725@kokopelli.hydra>
References: <20081107031744.GA7088@shepherd>
	<NBECLJEKGLBKHHFFANMBMEKBCMAA.fbsd1@a1poweruser.com>
	<35f70db10811062251v7df8c7d2y69112e1768dc0cf4@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081107232800.GB5725@kokopelli.hydra>
Message-ID: <20081108065558.060024b3@scorpio>

On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 16:28:00 -0700
Chad Perrin <perrin@apotheon.com> wrote:

>. . . or, as someone else pointed out, one could just learn to scroll
>to the end before typing.  It's not that difficult -- even in Outlook.

<CTRL><END> works like a charm also. It is amazing what people will
bitch at. The same people who will spend days attempting to get a video
card fully functional will find placing the cursor at the end of an
email message too daunting of a task.

-- 
Jerry
gesbbb@yahoo.com

Sex discriminates against the shy and ugly.
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From jonathan+freebsd-questions at hst.org.za  Sat Nov  8 05:22:23 2008
From: jonathan+freebsd-questions at hst.org.za (Jonathan McKeown)
Date: Sat Nov  8 05:22:31 2008
Subject: recommendation word processer for xfce
In-Reply-To: <20081108065558.060024b3@scorpio>
References: <20081107031744.GA7088@shepherd>
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	<20081108065558.060024b3@scorpio>
Message-ID: <200811081525.12583.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za>

On Saturday 08 November 2008 13:55, Jerry wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 16:28:00 -0700
>
> Chad Perrin <perrin@apotheon.com> wrote:
> >. . . or, as someone else pointed out, one could just learn to scroll
> >to the end before typing.  It's not that difficult -- even in Outlook.
>
> <CTRL><END> works like a charm also. It is amazing what people will
> bitch at. The same people who will spend days attempting to get a video
> card fully functional will find placing the cursor at the end of an
> email message too daunting of a task.

The best response to the issue of Outlook and top-posting I've seen recently 
was on the London Perlmongers mailing list - although I should warn that some 
may find this offensive.

<space to protect the sensitive>
...
...
...
...
...
...
...
...
...
...
<potentially offensive response>

"The last I checked, cursor keys worked in Outlook just fine without any
third-party hacks, so there is no reason for top-posting just because the
cursor happens to be there. It's a bit like crapping in your pants because
that's where your arse happens to be." -- Peter Corlett, london.pm

Jonathan
From freebsd-questions-local at be-well.ilk.org  Sat Nov  8 06:56:31 2008
From: freebsd-questions-local at be-well.ilk.org (Lowell Gilbert)
Date: Sat Nov  8 06:56:38 2008
Subject: Openoffice 3.0.0 - spellchecker not functioning
In-Reply-To: <20081107220233.62215f62@anthesphoria.net> ("Nikola
	=?utf-8?B?TGXEjWnEhyIncw==?= message of "Fri\, 7 Nov 2008 22\:02\:33
	+0100")
References: <200811061813.45150.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk>
	<1226067445.1360.11.camel@main.lerwick.hopto.org>
	<20081107220233.62215f62@anthesphoria.net>
Message-ID: <44r65mfequ.fsf@lowell-desk.lan>

Nikola Le?i? <nikola.lecic@anthesphoria.net> writes:

> The OpenOffice.org dictionaries page says:
>
> 	IMPORTANT NOTE: From OpenOffice.org 3.0 on the dictionary wizard
> 	is not longer available -- Dictionaries are now available via
> 	the extensions repository.
>
> 		[http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Dictionaries]
>
> So, the OpenOffice.org-3 users are supposed to download .oxt files and
> run them. However, I experienced the 'bad transfer url' problem with all
> extension files; this was reported on FreeBSD mailing lists in the past
> with no available solution.
>
> Happily, the instruction from the same page (DictOOo-Wizard, intended
> for OpenOffice.org-2) worked just fine in my OpenOffice-3. I downloaded
>
>   http://ftp.services.openoffice.org/pub/OpenOffice.org/contrib/dictionaries/dicooo/DicOOo.sxw
>
> and it worked like a charm, installing Hunspell Spellchecker module and
> dictionary files.

I had the same experience.  Note that to install the dictionaries for
all users, I needed write access to 
/usr/local/openoffice.org-3.0.0/openoffice.org/basis3.0/share/dict/ooo
and to some of the files inside of it.

-- 
Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area
		http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/
From d.bena at yahoo.fr  Sat Nov  8 05:38:41 2008
From: d.bena at yahoo.fr (d bena)
Date: Sat Nov  8 07:09:38 2008
Subject: Compile : Always missing headers
Message-ID: <927777.56615.qm@web25604.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hi,

We have just install our FreeBSD and we try naturally to update our system.
$ uname -a
FreeBSD pinky.e-cac.fr 7.0-RELEASE-p5 FreeBSD
7.0-RELEASE-p5 #0: Wed Oct  1 10:10:12 UTC 2008    
root@i386-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  i386

But each time we compile softs, ports or world, we have errors with the headers not found or wrong headers like that :
" /usr/include/sys/param.h:63:23: error: sys/types.h: No such file or directory "
" /usr/src/lib/libmagic/../../contrib/file/file.h:50:23: error: sys/types.h: No such file or directory "
" chkproc.c:61:23: error: sys/types.h: No such file or directory "
" /usr/src/sys/sys/types.h:169: error: two or more data types in declaration specifiers "
" /usr/src/sys/sys/types.h:169: warning: useless type name in empty declaration "

We think : "Hmmm ... il seems that includes are wrong ... try to add some includes folders"
So we precise the CFLAGS : CFLAGS='-I/usr/src/sys -I/usr/include -I/sys'
Unfortunately, we have always some errors in the compilation...

Example :
# make buildworld
[...]
/usr/src/lib/libmagic/../../contrib/file/file.h:336: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' before 'sread'
In file included from /usr/src/lib/libmagic/../../contrib/file/apprentice.c:37:
/usr/include/unistd.h:510: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...' before 'vm_offset_t'
/usr/include/unistd.h:528: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...' before 'fd_set'
/usr/include/unistd.h:528: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...' before 'fd_set'
/usr/include/unistd.h:528: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...' before 'fd_set'
/usr/include/unistd.h:546: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...' before 'u_long'
/usr/include/unistd.h:546: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...' before 'u_long'
/usr/include/unistd.h:550: error: expected ')' before '...' token
In file included from /usr/src/lib/libmagic/../../contrib/file/funcs.c:27:
/usr/src/lib/libmagic/../../contrib/file/file.h:50:23: error: sys/types.h: No such file or directory
In file included from /usr/src/lib/libmagic/../../contrib/file/funcs.c:27:
/usr/src/lib/libmagic/../../contrib/file/file.h:336: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' before 'sread'
In file included from /usr/src/lib/libmagic/../../contrib/file/magic.c:28:
/usr/src/lib/libmagic/../../contrib/file/file.h:50:23: error: sys/types.h: No such file or directory
In file included from /usr/src/lib/libmagic/../../contrib/file/magic.c:28:
/usr/src/lib/libmagic/../../contrib/file/file.h:336: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' before 'sread'
In file included from /usr/src/lib/libmagic/../../contrib/file/magic.c:33:
/usr/include/unistd.h:510: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...' before 'vm_offset_t'
/usr/include/unistd.h:528: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...' before 'fd_set'
/usr/include/unistd.h:528: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...' before 'fd_set'
/usr/include/unistd.h:528: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...' before 'fd_set'
/usr/include/unistd.h:546: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...' before 'u_long'
/usr/include/unistd.h:546: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...' before 'u_long'
/usr/include/unistd.h:550: error: expected ')' before '...' token
In file included from /usr/src/lib/libmagic/../../contrib/file/print.c:32:
/usr/src/lib/libmagic/../../contrib/file/file.h:50:23: error: sys/types.h: No such file or directory
In file included from /usr/src/lib/libmagic/../../contrib/file/print.c:32:
/usr/src/lib/libmagic/../../contrib/file/file.h:336: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' before 'sread'
In file included from /usr/src/lib/libmagic/../../contrib/file/print.c:39:
/usr/include/unistd.h:510: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...' before 'vm_offset_t'
/usr/include/unistd.h:528: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...' before 'fd_set'
/usr/include/unistd.h:528: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...' before 'fd_set'
/usr/include/unistd.h:528: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...' before 'fd_set'
/usr/include/unistd.h:546: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...' before 'u_long'
/usr/include/unistd.h:546: error: expected declaration specifiers or '...' before 'u_long'
/usr/include/unistd.h:550: error: expected ')' before '...' token
*** Error code 1


We don't understand why it lacks some headers files like /usr/include/sys/types.h ?
And google, our best friend, doesn't want to explain us...

If you need more information, tell us, we'll be glad to answer.

--
Three poor french guys, very happy to discover FreeBSD but little disturb...


      
From ansarm at gmail.com  Sat Nov  8 08:15:26 2008
From: ansarm at gmail.com (Ansar Mohammed)
Date: Sat Nov  8 08:15:33 2008
Subject: automatic creation of home directories
Message-ID: <0c3801c941bd$343b0f80$9cb12e80$@com>

Hello all,

I have users logging in via Kerberos (authn) and LDAP (authz) on FreeBSD to
Active Directory. 

I don't like having to manually create their home directory. Is there some
way to have the login process automatically create the home directory on
login?

From fbsd06 at mlists.homeunix.com  Sat Nov  8 08:51:43 2008
From: fbsd06 at mlists.homeunix.com (RW)
Date: Sat Nov  8 08:51:50 2008
Subject: recommendation word processer for xfce
In-Reply-To: <200811081525.12583.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za>
References: <20081107031744.GA7088@shepherd>
	<20081107232800.GB5725@kokopelli.hydra>
	<20081108065558.060024b3@scorpio>
	<200811081525.12583.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za>
Message-ID: <20081108164013.5d74790d@gumby.homeunix.com>

On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 15:25:12 +0200
Jonathan McKeown <jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za> wrote:

> On Saturday 08 November 2008 13:55, Jerry wrote:
>
> The best response to the issue of Outlook and top-posting I've seen
> recently was on the London Perlmongers mailing list 
> ...
> "The last I checked, cursor keys worked in Outlook just fine without
> any third-party hacks, so there is no reason for top-posting just
> because the cursor happens to be there.

Some people argue that the cursor should start-off at the top because
you should start by removing superfluous quoted text before bottom
posting.
From smithi at nimnet.asn.au  Sat Nov  8 09:02:20 2008
From: smithi at nimnet.asn.au (Ian Smith)
Date: Sat Nov  8 09:02:30 2008
Subject: [SOLVED] Apache environment variables - logical AND
In-Reply-To: <20081105101625.GA6494@icarus.home.lan>
References: <20081105170631.O70117@sola.nimnet.asn.au>
	<20081105072752.GA4079@icarus.home.lan>
	<20081105194002.N70117@sola.nimnet.asn.au>
	<20081105101625.GA6494@icarus.home.lan>
Message-ID: <20081109012957.R70117@sola.nimnet.asn.au>

On Wed, 5 Nov 2008, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
 > On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 08:24:16PM +1100, Ian Smith wrote:
 > > On Tue, 4 Nov 2008, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
 > >  > On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 05:33:45PM +1100, Ian Smith wrote:
 > >  > > I know this isn't FreeBSD specific - but I am, so crave your indulgence.
 > >  > > 
 > >  > > Running Apache 1.3.27, using a fairly extensive access.conf to beat off 
 > >  > > the most rapacious robots and such, using mostly BrowserMatch[NoCase] 
 > >  > > and SetEnvIf to moderate access to several virtual hosts.  No problem.
 > >  > > 
 > >  > > OR conditions are of course straighforward:
 > >  > > 
 > >  > >   SetEnvIf <condition1> somevar
 > >  > >   SetEnvIf <condition2> somevar
 > >  > >   SetEnvIf <exception1> !somevar
 > >  > > 
 > >  > > What I can't figure out is how to set a variable3 if and only if both 
 > >  > > variable1 AND variable2 are set.  Eg:
 > >  > > 
 > >  > >   SetEnvIf Referer "^$" no_referer
 > >  > >   SetEnvIf User-Agent "^$" no_browser
 > >  > > 
 > >  > > I want the equivalent for this (invalid and totally fanciful) match: 
 > >  > > 
 > >  > >   SetEnvIf (no_browser AND no_referer) go_away
 > >  > 
 > >  > Sounds like a job for mod_rewrite.  The SetEnvIf stuff is such a hack.

That's true.  Thanks for your considered and helpful tutorial.  I do use 
ipfw+dummynet for bandwidth limiting, and ipfw table 80 to house bogons.

But I finally figured out how to make such a hack work .. it just kept 
on bugging me until I woke up remembering some very basic logic; quite 
embarrassing really ..

        # 9/11/8: preset env vars to be tested by value
SetEnvIf Referer ".*" no_ref=0 no_bro=0 both=1
SetEnvIf Referer    "^$" no_ref=1
SetEnvIf User-Agent "^$" no_bro=1
        # duh, logic 101: a AND b = NOT ( (NOT a) OR (NOT b) )
SetEnvIf no_ref 0 both=0
SetEnvIf no_bro 0 both=0
SetEnvIf both 1 go_away

It's a bit round about and awkward but seems to work fine, and this was 
just one example of several combination conditions I'd like to test.

cheers, Ian


 > > It may be a hack, but I've found it an extremely useful one so far.
 > >
 > >  > This is what we use on our production servers (snipped to keep it
 > >  > short):
 > >  > 
 > >  > RewriteEngine on
 > >  > RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} ^XXXX:                      [OR]
 > >  > RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} ^http://forums.somethingawful.com/  [OR]
 > >  > RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} ^http://forums.fark.com/    [OR]
 > >  > RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^Alexibot                [OR]
 > >  > RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^asterias                [OR]
 > >  > RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^BackDoorBot             [OR]
 > >  > RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^Black.Hole              [NC,OR]
 > >  > RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^WWWOFFLE                [OR]
 > >  > RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^Xaldon.WebSpider
 > >  > RewriteRule ^.* - [F,L]
 > >  > 
 > >  > You need to keep something in mind however: blocking by user agent is
 > >  > basically worthless these days.  Most "leeching" tools now let you
 > >  > spoof the user agent to show up as Internet Explorer, essentially
 > >  > defeating the checks.
 > > 
 > > While that's true, I've found most of the more troublesome robots are 
 > > too proud of their 'brand' to spoof user agent, and those that do are a) 
 > > often consistent enough in their Remote_Addr to exclude by subnet and/or 
 > > b) often make obvious errors in spoofed User_Agent strings .. especially 
 > > those pretending to be some variant of MSIE :)
 > 
 > I haven't found this to be true at all, and I've been doing web hosting
 > since 1993.  In the past 2-3 years, the amount of leeching tools which
 > spoof their User-Agent has increased dramatically.
 >
 > But step back for a moment and look at it from a usability perspective,
 > because this is what really happens.
 > 
 > A user tries to leech a site you host, using FruitBatLeecher, which your
 > Apache server blocks based on User-Agent.  The user has no idea why the
 > leech program doesn't work.  Does the user simply give up his quest?
 > Absolutely not -- the user then goes and finds BobsBandwidthZilla which
 > pretends to be Internet Explorer, Firefox, or lynx, and downloads the
 > site.
 > 
 > Now, if you're trying to block robots/scrapers which aren't honouring
 > robots.txt, oh yes, that almost always works, because those rarely spoof
 > their User-Agent (I think to date I've only seen one site which did
 > that, and it was some Russian search engine).
 >
 > If you feel I'm just doing burn-outs arguing, a la "BSD style", let me
 > give you some insight to how often I deal with this problem: daily.
 >
 > We host a very specific/niche site that contains over 20 years of
 > technical information on the Famicom / Nintendo Entertainment System.
 > The site has hundreds of megabytes of information, and a very active
 > forum.  Some jackass comes along and decides "Wow, this has all the info
 > I want!" and fires off a leeching program against the entire
 > domain/vhost.  Let's say the program he's using is blocked by our
 > User-Agent blocks; there is a 6-7 minute delay as the user goes off to
 > find another program to leech with, installs it, and attempts it again.
 > Pow, it works, and we find nice huge spikes in our logs for the vhost
 > indicating someone got around it.  I later dig through our access_log and
 > find that he tried to use FruitBatLeecher, which got blocked, but then
 > 6-7 minutes later came back with a leeching client that spoofs itself
 > as IE.
 > 
 > And it gets worse.
 >
 > Many of these leeching programs get stuck in infinite loops when it
 > comes to forum software, so they sit there pounding on the webserver
 > indefinitely.  It requires administrator intervention to stop it; in my
 > case, I don't even bother with Apache ACLs, because ~70% of the time
 > the client ignores 403s and keeps bashing away (yes really!) -- I go
 > straight for a pf-based block in a table called <web-leechers>.  These
 > guys will hit that block for *days* -- that should give you some idea
 > how long they'll let that program run.
 >
 > But it gets worse -- again.
 > 
 > Recently, I found two examples of very dedicated leechers.  One was an
 > individual out of China (or using Chinese IPs -- take your pick), and
 > another was at an Italian university.  These individuals got past the
 > User-Agent blocks, and I caught their leeching software stuck in a loop
 > on the site forum.  I blocked their IPs with pf, thinking it would be
 > enough, then went to sleep.  I woke up the following evening to find
 > they were back at it again.  How?
 > 
 > The Chinese individual literally got another IP somehow, in a completely
 > different netblock; possibly a DHCP release/renew, possibly some friend
 > of his, whatever.
 >
 > The Italian university individual was successful in his leech attempts
 > exactly 50% of the time -- because their university used a transparent
 > HTTP proxy that was balanced between two IPs.  I had only blocked one
 > of them.
 > 
 > Starting to get the picture now?  :-)
 >
 > The only effective way to deal with all of this is rate-limiting.  I do
 > not advocate "queues" or "buckets", or "dynamic buckets" where each IP
 > is allocated X number of simultaneous sockets, and if they exceed that,
 > they get rate-limited.  I also do not advocate "shared queues", where
 > if there are X number of sockets, allow Z amount of bandwidth, but if
 > X is more than, say, 200 sockets, allow Z/2 amount of bandwidth.
 > 
 > The tuning is simply not worth it -- people will go to great lengths
 > to screw you.  And if your stuff is in a 95th-percentile billing
 > environment, believe me, you DO NOT want to wake up one morning to
 > find that someone has cost you thousands of dollars.
 >
 > Also, I recommend using ipfw dummynet or pf ALTQ for rate-limiting.  The
 > few Apache bandwidth-limiting modules I've tried have bizarre side
 > effects.  Here's a forum post of mine (on the above site) explaining
 > why we moved away from mod_cband and went with pf ALTQ.
 > 
 > http://nesdev.parodius.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=4184
 >
 > 
 > >  > If you're that concerned about bandwidth (which is why a lot of people
 > >  > do the above), consider rate-limiting.  It's really, quite honestly, the
 > >  > only method that is fail-safe.
 > > 
 > > Thanks Jeremy.  Certainly time to take the time to have another look at 
 > > mod_rewrite, especially regarding redirection, alternative pages etc, 
 > > but I still tend to glaze over about halfway through all that section.
 > 
 > Yeah, I agree, the mod_rewrite documentation is overwhelming, and that
 > turns a lot of people off.  The examples I gave you should allow you to
 > look up each piece of the directive at a time, and once you do that,
 > it'll all make sense.
 > 
 > > And unless I've completely missed it, your examples don't address my 
 > > question, being how to AND two or more conditions in a particular test?
 > >
 > > If I really can't do this with mod_setenvif I'll have to take that time.
 > 
 > You can't do it with mod_setenvif.  You can do it with mod_rewrite,
 > because all mod_rewrite rules default to an operator type of "AND".  The
 > [OR] you see in my rules is an explicit override for obvious reasons.
 > 
 > Open the Apache 1.3 mod_rewrite docs and search for "implicit AND".
 > It'll all make sense then.  :-)
 > 
 > I hope some of what I've said above gives you something to think about.
 > Hosting environments are a real pain in the ass; when it's "just you and
 > your own personal box" it's easy, but when it's larger scale and
 > involves users (customers or friends, doesn't matter), it's a totally
 > different game.
 > 
 > -- 
 > | Jeremy Chadwick                                jdc at parodius.com |
 > | Parodius Networking                       http://www.parodius.com/ |
 > | UNIX Systems Administrator                  Mountain View, CA, USA |
 > | Making life hard for others since 1977.              PGP: 4BD6C0CB |
From francesco.malvezzi at unimore.it  Sat Nov  8 09:26:56 2008
From: francesco.malvezzi at unimore.it (Francesco Malvezzi)
Date: Sat Nov  8 09:27:03 2008
Subject: automatic creation of home directories
In-Reply-To: <0c3801c941bd$343b0f80$9cb12e80$@com>
References: <0c3801c941bd$343b0f80$9cb12e80$@com>
Message-ID: <1226161623.8251.1.camel@piopio>

Il giorno sab, 08/11/2008 alle 11.15 -0500, Ansar Mohammed ha scritto:
> Hello all,
> 
> I have users logging in via Kerberos (authn) and LDAP (authz) on FreeBSD to
> Active Directory. 
> 
> I don't like having to manually create their home directory. Is there some
> way to have the login process automatically create the home directory on
> login?

Have you already checked pam_mkhomedir?
I have a simpler setup (pam_ldap only), but it solved my issue.

Regards,

Francesco

From fbsd.questions at rachie.is-a-geek.net  Sat Nov  8 09:41:28 2008
From: fbsd.questions at rachie.is-a-geek.net (Mel)
Date: Sat Nov  8 09:41:35 2008
Subject: Compile : Always missing headers
In-Reply-To: <927777.56615.qm@web25604.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <927777.56615.qm@web25604.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200811081832.28741.fbsd.questions@rachie.is-a-geek.net>

On Saturday 08 November 2008 14:11:59 d bena wrote:
> Hi,
>
> We have just install our FreeBSD and we try naturally to update our system.
> $ uname -a
> FreeBSD pinky.e-cac.fr 7.0-RELEASE-p5 FreeBSD
> 7.0-RELEASE-p5 #0: Wed Oct  1 10:10:12 UTC 2008
> root@i386-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  i386
>
> But each time we compile softs, ports or world, we have errors with the
> headers not found or wrong headers like that : "
> /usr/include/sys/param.h:63:23: error: sys/types.h: No such file or
> directory " " /usr/src/lib/libmagic/../../contrib/file/file.h:50:23: error:

<snip more examples of sys/types.h missing>

>
> We don't understand why it lacks some headers files like
> /usr/include/sys/types.h ?

Only you can tell that. Is the file present or not? Maybe an fsck couldn't 
restore it? Or something went wrong during install?
Do you have a /usr/src populated with the OS and kernel sources?

-- 
Mel

Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules
    and never get to the software part.
From tedm at toybox.placo.com  Sat Nov  8 10:39:06 2008
From: tedm at toybox.placo.com (Ted Mittelstaedt)
Date: Sat Nov  8 10:39:13 2008
Subject: Question on creating a video server
Message-ID: <BMEDLGAENEKCJFGODFOCGEPKCFAA.tedm@toybox.placo.com>

Hi All,

  OK, I'm just asking for opinions here on some application
software.

  Like most people we have a nice big 21" TV set that will be
obsolete in Feb.  I have been thinking about replacing this with a
big screen TV set but the prices on them are still way, way
way out of my budget (I just can't see spending $500 for
a TV set, sorry!!!!)

  I can pick up really high quality, large, old-style
video monitors from a computer surplus place near here for
next to nothing.

  I'd like to setup a PC and put a HDTV tuner card in it
for over-the-air HDTV broadcasts, and use that as a TV.

  We also have a ton of DVD's and I'd like to rip these
to video files and put them on the PC.  Then when anyone
wants to watch a movie they just watch it off the PC.
I've already started doing this under Windows and it works
great - it's even better since I can remove all those
movie previews that the studio wants to force you to
watch.

  Has anyone done this with FreeBSD and open source
software, and has recommendations on what hardware to get
and what software works with it?

PREFERABLY cheap - since ultimately we likely will get
a big screen TV set once the prices fall.

Ted
From steve at Watt.COM  Sat Nov  8 10:51:17 2008
From: steve at Watt.COM (Steve Watt)
Date: Sat Nov  8 10:51:24 2008
Subject: Glob error?
In-Reply-To: <4914E67A.40409@datapipe.com>
References: <20081107231303.GA9804@wattres.Watt.COM>
	<4914E67A.40409@datapipe.com>
Message-ID: <20081108185116.GA1898@wattres.Watt.COM>

On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 07:08:10PM -0600, Paul A. Procacci wrote:
> Steve Watt wrote:
> >( Please cc: me on replies, as I can't keep up with traffic on -questions )
> >
> >I did the following:
> >
> >% cd /tmp
> >% mkdir -p a/dir1/new a/dir1/cur
> >% mkdir -p b/dir1/new b/dir1/cur
> >% mkdir -p c/dir1/new c/dir1/cur
> >% ls -ld */dir1/new
> >drwxrwxr-x  2 steve  wheel  512 Nov  7 15:10 a/dir1/new/
> >% 
> >
> >System is:
> >FreeBSD wattres.Watt.COM 6.3-STABLE FreeBSD 6.3-STABLE #9: Tue May 13 
> >16:06:34 PDT 2008     root@wattres.Watt.COM:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/WATTRES  
> >i386
> >
> >Source was probably updated a few hours before the kernel build time.
> >
> >Shell doesn't seem to matter (have tried both tcsh and bash).
> >
> >My cygwin installation seems to get it right.
> >
> >Known issue?  A quick glance for "glob" in gnats didn't show anything 
> >promising.
> >  
> 
> I too can't reproduce this on any of my machines:

Well, it went away with my update to 6.4-PRE.  Must've been a bad time to
grab a -stable snapshot.
From prad at towardsfreedom.com  Sat Nov  8 10:52:55 2008
From: prad at towardsfreedom.com (prad)
Date: Sat Nov  8 10:53:02 2008
Subject: Question on creating a video server
In-Reply-To: <BMEDLGAENEKCJFGODFOCGEPKCFAA.tedm@toybox.placo.com>
References: <BMEDLGAENEKCJFGODFOCGEPKCFAA.tedm@toybox.placo.com>
Message-ID: <20081108105248.71766c93@gom.home>

On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 10:40:26 -0800
"Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> wrote:

> Has anyone done this with FreeBSD and open source
> software, and has recommendations on what hardware to get
> and what software works with it?
>
we found it awkward to do it on freebsd so used kubuntu.

we tried lifeview flyvideo 2000 tv card which worked fine with mythtv
and kdetv, but couldn't pick up the cable station we think due to our
location in canada.

for ripping we used perl's dvd::rip.

our harddrive can't hold too many shows so we just use the dvd player
on the computer now to play them.

-- 
In friendship,
prad

                                      ... with you on your journey
Towards Freedom
http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website)
Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's
From Millenia2000 at hotmail.com  Sat Nov  8 11:14:08 2008
From: Millenia2000 at hotmail.com (Sean Cavanaugh)
Date: Sat Nov  8 11:14:15 2008
Subject: Question on creating a video server
In-Reply-To: <BMEDLGAENEKCJFGODFOCGEPKCFAA.tedm@toybox.placo.com>
References: <BMEDLGAENEKCJFGODFOCGEPKCFAA.tedm@toybox.placo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY126-DS17F358C9FAE63DB10FF34CA180@phx.gbl>

>
>  Has anyone done this with FreeBSD and open source
> software, and has recommendations on what hardware to get
> and what software works with it?

Look up MythTV. it's the opensource alternative to Windows Media Center and 
has a lot of nice functionality. It is in FreeBSD ports too.

-Sean
 

From ben at b1c1l1.com  Sat Nov  8 11:47:58 2008
From: ben at b1c1l1.com (Benjamin Lee)
Date: Sat Nov  8 11:48:05 2008
Subject: Question on creating a video server
In-Reply-To: <BAY126-DS17F358C9FAE63DB10FF34CA180@phx.gbl>
References: <BMEDLGAENEKCJFGODFOCGEPKCFAA.tedm@toybox.placo.com>
	<BAY126-DS17F358C9FAE63DB10FF34CA180@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4915ECDF.3070407@b1c1l1.com>

On 11/08/08 11:14, Sean Cavanaugh wrote:
>>
>>  Has anyone done this with FreeBSD and open source
>> software, and has recommendations on what hardware to get
>o> and what software works with it?
> 
> Look up MythTV. it's the opensource alternative to Windows Media Center
> and has a lot of nice functionality. It is in FreeBSD ports too.

Although MythTV is available in ports, there are significant
disadvantages to running MythTV on FreeBSD.  First, most TV tuner cards
don't have corresponding FreeBSD kernel modules.  Second, MythTV uses
the Video4Linux API, which of course doesn't exist on FreeBSD --
instead, you hack the kernel to emulate V4L.  Third, there is terribly
limited LIRC (Linux Infrared Remote Control) support, and most people
will want to use their remotes with their MythTV installations.

I love FreeBSD, but running a PVR solution that is so closely tied to
Linux (V4L, LIRC) is a bit of a hack.  Don't get me wrong -- I tried it
and discovered that the community has made significant progress towards
getting it to work.  But at the end of the day, I wanted a
fully-functional PVR, not months of writing drivers and hacking V4L into
the FreeBSD kernel.  That's why I eventually made the decision to run
MythTV on Linux, even though I'd *much* rather administer a machine
running FreeBSD.


-- 
Benjamin Lee

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From bsd at todoo.biz  Sat Nov  8 11:02:13 2008
From: bsd at todoo.biz (bsd)
Date: Sat Nov  8 12:48:06 2008
Subject: scripting text replacement
Message-ID: <4B1A9F30-B8BC-4C48-A85F-3697C6AB3B7B@todoo.biz>

Sorry for this cross posting, but I can not find a good "bash" mailing  
list?
I am certain FreeBSD gurus will provide me with a fast and reliable  
answer to this little question.


Here is the deal:
-----------------


I have a file containing a list of items like that:

line1item1 line1item2 line1item3
line2item1 line2item2 line2item3
?400 times

I need to insert this into another text file using printf() items  
should be converted into variable looping? like that:

printf "Bla bla bla $1 bla bla $2 bla bla $3 bla bla $2"


The main thing is that I can not get $1 $2 $3 to correspond to  
line1item1 line1item2 line1item3


Any good idea or example will be welcome.


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From perryh at pluto.rain.com  Sat Nov  8 12:48:34 2008
From: perryh at pluto.rain.com (perryh@pluto.rain.com)
Date: Sat Nov  8 12:48:41 2008
Subject: Port Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator for FreeBSD?
In-Reply-To: <20081108093248.J42716@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
References: <a15f9fba0811072252i27d2313fw4a43b7891427fe08@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081108081229.GA3176@slackbox.xs4all.nl>
	<20081108093248.J42716@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
Message-ID: <4915fa14.vqtg7f7qnYuMLvRh%perryh@pluto.rain.com>

> >> Is there a port like Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator for FreeBSD?
> >> I would like to move to FreeBSD as soon as possible.
> >
> > You could try the gimp for manipulating bitmap images. For creating
> > vector images, try either inkscape or xaralx. They're all in ports.
>
> i have a friend that do offset printing.
>
> he have to use windoze and photoshop for only one reason - gimp
> doesn't support editing CMYK images

If all else fails, one could try running the Windows versions of
Photoshop and Illustrator under wine.
From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl  Sat Nov  8 13:09:58 2008
From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar)
Date: Sat Nov  8 13:10:05 2008
Subject: Question on creating a video server
In-Reply-To: <BMEDLGAENEKCJFGODFOCGEPKCFAA.tedm@toybox.placo.com>
References: <BMEDLGAENEKCJFGODFOCGEPKCFAA.tedm@toybox.placo.com>
Message-ID: <20081108220925.C45863@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>

>  Has anyone done this with FreeBSD and open source
> software, and has recommendations on what hardware to get
> and what software works with it?

mplayer play video files fine.

no idea about HDTV tunes

>
> PREFERABLY cheap - since ultimately we likely will get
> a big screen TV set once the prices fall.
>
> Ted
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
From af300wsm at gmail.com  Sat Nov  8 13:36:28 2008
From: af300wsm at gmail.com (Andrew Falanga)
Date: Sat Nov  8 13:36:35 2008
Subject: How long does it take to compile KDE4
Message-ID: <200811081435.39732.af300wsm@gmail.com>

Hi

I'm trying to install in KDE 4 and it's been stuck on 
Generating k3iconviewsearchline.moc

for about 4 hours now.  My box is a an amd64 (running amd64 kernel) 1.8ghz 
w/1gb RAM.  I know that this request is quite "relative" based on hard 
hardware and such, but from those who have installed KDE4 from ports, can you 
give me the times it took you to compile?

There are two reasons I haven't stopped the process yet.  First, it's not 
acting like it's stuck, e.g. top shows that the system is 0.0% idle and the 
process, automoc4, isn't steady on a specific number it keeps going from 
~92% - ~98% WCPU usage.  This would seem to indicate that it's not stuck in a 
loop doing the same thing over and over but is really doing some work.  
Second, I've been around long enough to know that sometimes you just have to 
wait . . . a long time.

Any ideas on time to compile would be good.

Thanks,
Andy
From keramida at ceid.upatras.gr  Sat Nov  8 14:02:22 2008
From: keramida at ceid.upatras.gr (Giorgos Keramidas)
Date: Sat Nov  8 14:02:36 2008
Subject: scripting text replacement
In-Reply-To: <4B1A9F30-B8BC-4C48-A85F-3697C6AB3B7B@todoo.biz> (bsd@todoo.biz's
	message of "Sat, 8 Nov 2008 19:43:52 +0100")
References: <4B1A9F30-B8BC-4C48-A85F-3697C6AB3B7B@todoo.biz>
Message-ID: <87skq1yizg.fsf@kobe.laptop>

On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 19:43:52 +0100, bsd <bsd@todoo.biz> wrote:
> Sorry for this cross posting, but I can not find a good "bash" mailing
> list?
> I am certain FreeBSD gurus will provide me with a fast and reliable
> answer to this little question.
>
> Here is the deal:
> -----------------
>
> I have a file containing a list of items like that:
>
> line1item1 line1item2 line1item3
> line2item1 line2item2 line2item3
> ?400 times
>
> I need to insert this into another text file using printf() items should
> be converted into variable looping? like that:
>
> printf "Bla bla bla $1 bla bla $2 bla bla $3 bla bla $2"
>
> The main thing is that I can not get $1 $2 $3 to correspond to
> line1item1 line1item2 line1item3

A little more detail about the "Bla bla" part may be important in our
effort to help you effectively.  What you seem to describe above may be
trivial to do with awk(1):

,-----------------------------------------------------------------------
| $ cat /tmp/inputfile
| line1item1 line1item2 line1item3
| line2item1 line2item2 line2item3
| $ awk '{
|     printf "Bla bla bla %s bla bla %s bla bla %s bla bla %s\n",
|         $1, $2, $3, $2;
|   }' /tmp/inputfile
| Bla bla bla line1item1 bla bla line1item2 bla bla line1item3 bla bla line1item2
| Bla bla bla line2item1 bla bla line2item2 bla bla line2item3 bla bla line2item2
| $
`-----------------------------------------------------------------------

or with a short script in sed(1) or Perl:

,-----------------------------------------------------------------------
| $ perl \
|   -pe 's/(\S+)\s+(\S+)\s+(\S+)/Bla bla bla $1 bla bla $2 bla bla $3 bla bla $2/' \
|   /tmp/inputfile
| Bla bla bla line1item1 bla bla line1item2 bla bla line1item3 bla bla line1item2
| Bla bla bla line2item1 bla bla line2item2 bla bla line2item3 bla bla line2item2
| $
`-----------------------------------------------------------------------

More complex substitutions can be scripted in almost any scripting
language you prefer.

HTH,
Giorgos

From gesbbb at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  8 14:15:44 2008
From: gesbbb at yahoo.com (Jerry)
Date: Sat Nov  8 14:15:53 2008
Subject: recommendation word processer for xfce
In-Reply-To: <20081108164013.5d74790d@gumby.homeunix.com>
References: <20081107031744.GA7088@shepherd>
	<20081107232800.GB5725@kokopelli.hydra>
	<20081108065558.060024b3@scorpio>
	<200811081525.12583.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za>
	<20081108164013.5d74790d@gumby.homeunix.com>
Message-ID: <20081108171531.2893ad08@scorpio>

On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:40:13 +0000
RW <fbsd06@mlists.homeunix.com> wrote:

[snip]

>Some people argue that the cursor should start-off at the top because
>you should start by removing superfluous quoted text before bottom
>posting.

If only that were true.

-- 
Jerry
gesbbb@yahoo.com

Did you know that for the price of a 280-Z you can buy two Z-80's?

	P. J. Plauger
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From jalmberg at identry.com  Sat Nov  8 15:38:23 2008
From: jalmberg at identry.com (John Almberg)
Date: Sat Nov  8 15:38:30 2008
Subject: Question on creating a video server
In-Reply-To: <BMEDLGAENEKCJFGODFOCGEPKCFAA.tedm@toybox.placo.com>
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On Nov 8, 2008, at 1:40 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

> Hi All,
>
>   OK, I'm just asking for opinions here on some application
> software.
>
>   Like most people we have a nice big 21" TV set that will be
> obsolete in Feb.  I have been thinking about replacing this with a
> big screen TV set but the prices on them are still way, way
> way out of my budget (I just can't see spending $500 for
> a TV set, sorry!!!!)
>

Why not just get a digital converter and keep using your nice TV?

https://www.dtv2009.gov/
From dan at langille.org  Sat Nov  8 16:10:08 2008
From: dan at langille.org (Dan Langille)
Date: Sat Nov  8 16:10:14 2008
Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2008-10-19 - 2008-11-08
Message-ID: <20081109001004.DE7F4509C2@nyi.unixathome.org>

The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical 
examples and how-to guides.  This message is posted weekly
to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people
know what's available on the website.  Before you post a question
here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list 
archives <http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html#mailinglists> 
and/or The FreeBSD Diary <http://www.freebsddiary.org/>. 


-- 
Dan Langille
BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference

From dhorn2000 at gmail.com  Sat Nov  8 16:48:15 2008
From: dhorn2000 at gmail.com (David Horn)
Date: Sat Nov  8 16:48:31 2008
Subject: host -6 failure
In-Reply-To: <602990.94226.qm@web56802.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <602990.94226.qm@web56802.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <25ff90d60811081625w397e65b0k46a48b0a493a32d2@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 2:18 PM, mdh <mdh_lists@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Howdy folks,
> I'm having a little trouble understanding a problem that the `host` command in RELENG_7_0 (very recent) is having.  This is by and large my first time working with IPv6, which I've been meaning to learn for some time.  First off, I've got my zone file configured to return a AAAA record for x1.mydomain and named isn't complaining.  However, when I run `host -6 x1.mydomain`, host returns the following output:
>
> (root@rapier) [/etc/namedb]: host -6 x1.mydomain
> /usr/src/lib/bind/isc/../../../contrib/bind9/lib/isc/unix/socket.c:1179: internal_send: ::ffff:127.0.0.1#53: Invalid argument
> /usr/src/lib/bind/isc/../../../contrib/bind9/lib/isc/unix/socket.c:1179: internal_send: ::ffff:IP.IP.IP.8#53: Invalid argument
> /usr/src/lib/bind/isc/../../../contrib/bind9/lib/isc/unix/socket.c:1179: internal_send: ::ffff:127.0.0.1#53: Invalid argument
> /usr/src/lib/bind/isc/../../../contrib/bind9/lib/isc/unix/socket.c:1179: internal_send: ::ffff:IP.IP.IP.8#53: Invalid argument
> ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached

The '-6' on the command line for host(1) forces an IPv6 only
connection to your nameserver, not necessarily a "AAAA" query for the
hostname in question.  In this case, your nameservers listed in the
warnings are IPv4 nameservers that host(1) is attempting to connect to
using an ipv4 mapped ipv6 address (which by default is disabled in the
kernel) In other words, don't use host -6 for this scenario.

Most recent versions of the host(1) command will do both "A" (IPv4
host record), and "AAAA" (IPv6 host record) lookups for you
automatically.  For example:

 host www.kame.net
www.kame.net has address 203.178.141.194
www.kame.net has IPv6 address 2001:200:0:8002:203:47ff:fea5:3085

>
> IP.IP.IP.8 is my ISP's DNS server, and is a third option just in case the localhost DNS server crashes or goes batty while I'm out drinking or somesuch.  Here's my resolv.conf, which shows ::1 listed as the second nameserver entry - however, it seems host -6 never even tries it.
>
> domain          mydomain
> search          mydomain
> nameserver      127.0.0.1
> nameserver      ::1
> nameserver      IP.IP.IP.8
>
> The DNS server running on localhost is authoritative for mydomain.  I can ping it via localhost using both v4 and v6, and I can also ping the external v4 and v6 addresses just fine remotely.
>
> As I said, I'm new to IPv6, but this behavior seems to be counterintuitive.  Am I just doing it wrong?
>

For diagnosing your own nameservers, you are better off using the
dig(1) utility.

Example:

 dig ipv6.google.com AAAA @::1

This causes a dns query for an IPv6 address (aka "AAAA" query) for the
hostname of "ipv6.google.com" using the nameserver on the IPv6
localhost loopback address (::1), and will give a very nice verbose
output.  man dig for more details.

Good Luck.

BTW, if you have not already setup an IPv6 tunnel to the internet, I
highly recommend SixXS's (www.sixxs.net) free tunnels (and the
sixxs-aiccu port), or you can look at Hurricane Electric (www.he.net),
and some other tunnel brokers as well.

-_Dave

> Thanks, Matt
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
>
From mdh_lists at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  8 16:55:20 2008
From: mdh_lists at yahoo.com (mdh)
Date: Sat Nov  8 16:55:27 2008
Subject: host -6 failure
In-Reply-To: <25ff90d60811081625w397e65b0k46a48b0a493a32d2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <520617.80727.qm@web56803.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

--- On Sat, 11/8/08, David Horn <dhorn2000@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: David Horn <dhorn2000@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: host -6 failure
> To: mdh_lists@yahoo.com
> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Date: Saturday, November 8, 2008, 7:25 PM
> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 2:18 PM, mdh
> <mdh_lists@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Howdy folks,
> > I'm having a little trouble understanding a
> problem that the `host` command in RELENG_7_0 (very recent)
> is having.  This is by and large my first time working with
> IPv6, which I've been meaning to learn for some time. 
> First off, I've got my zone file configured to return a
> AAAA record for x1.mydomain and named isn't complaining.
>  However, when I run `host -6 x1.mydomain`, host returns the
> following output:
> >
> > (root@rapier) [/etc/namedb]: host -6 x1.mydomain
> >
> /usr/src/lib/bind/isc/../../../contrib/bind9/lib/isc/unix/socket.c:1179:
> internal_send: ::ffff:127.0.0.1#53: Invalid argument
> >
> /usr/src/lib/bind/isc/../../../contrib/bind9/lib/isc/unix/socket.c:1179:
> internal_send: ::ffff:IP.IP.IP.8#53: Invalid argument
> >
> /usr/src/lib/bind/isc/../../../contrib/bind9/lib/isc/unix/socket.c:1179:
> internal_send: ::ffff:127.0.0.1#53: Invalid argument
> >
> /usr/src/lib/bind/isc/../../../contrib/bind9/lib/isc/unix/socket.c:1179:
> internal_send: ::ffff:IP.IP.IP.8#53: Invalid argument
> > ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
> 
> The '-6' on the command line for host(1) forces an
> IPv6 only
> connection to your nameserver, not necessarily a
> "AAAA" query for the
> hostname in question.  In this case, your nameservers
> listed in the
> warnings are IPv4 nameservers that host(1) is attempting to
> connect to
> using an ipv4 mapped ipv6 address (which by default is
> disabled in the
> kernel) In other words, don't use host -6 for this
> scenario.

Yet as I pointed out, the second nameserver in my resolv.conf is ::1 - so shouldn't it work with that?  It's clearly trying to contact the first and third nameservers listed.  If the behavior I'm experiencing is the proper behavior, then let me pose this question: when would anyone conceivably want to use the -6 option, and why does it exist?  My intent was to force a query to hit the nameserver on ::1 rather than 127.0.0.1.  

> 
> Most recent versions of the host(1) command will do both
> "A" (IPv4
> host record), and "AAAA" (IPv6 host record)
> lookups for you
> automatically.  For example:
> 
>  host www.kame.net
> www.kame.net has address 203.178.141.194
> www.kame.net has IPv6 address
> 2001:200:0:8002:203:47ff:fea5:3085
> 
> >
> > IP.IP.IP.8 is my ISP's DNS server, and is a third
> option just in case the localhost DNS server crashes or goes
> batty while I'm out drinking or somesuch.  Here's my
> resolv.conf, which shows ::1 listed as the second nameserver
> entry - however, it seems host -6 never even tries it.
> >
> > domain          mydomain
> > search          mydomain
> > nameserver      127.0.0.1
> > nameserver      ::1
> > nameserver      IP.IP.IP.8
> >
> > The DNS server running on localhost is authoritative
> for mydomain.  I can ping it via localhost using both v4 and
> v6, and I can also ping the external v4 and v6 addresses
> just fine remotely.
> >
> > As I said, I'm new to IPv6, but this behavior
> seems to be counterintuitive.  Am I just doing it wrong?
> >
> 
> For diagnosing your own nameservers, you are better off
> using the
> dig(1) utility.
> 
> Example:
> 
>  dig ipv6.google.com AAAA @::1
> 
> This causes a dns query for an IPv6 address (aka
> "AAAA" query) for the
> hostname of "ipv6.google.com" using the
> nameserver on the IPv6
> localhost loopback address (::1), and will give a very nice
> verbose
> output.  man dig for more details.

That is more useful, but still doesn't stifle my desire to stomp a potential bug in the base system.  

> 
> Good Luck.
> 
> BTW, if you have not already setup an IPv6 tunnel to the
> internet, I
> highly recommend SixXS's (www.sixxs.net) free tunnels
> (and the
> sixxs-aiccu port), or you can look at Hurricane Electric
> (www.he.net),
> and some other tunnel brokers as well.

Actually this system is located at HE.  :)

Thanks,
- mdh



      
From dhorn2000 at gmail.com  Sat Nov  8 17:10:43 2008
From: dhorn2000 at gmail.com (David Horn)
Date: Sat Nov  8 17:10:51 2008
Subject: host -6 failure
In-Reply-To: <520617.80727.qm@web56803.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <25ff90d60811081625w397e65b0k46a48b0a493a32d2@mail.gmail.com>
	<520617.80727.qm@web56803.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <25ff90d60811081710u6850be25jdc6d45631ee82af4@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 7:55 PM, mdh <mdh_lists@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --- On Sat, 11/8/08, David Horn <dhorn2000@gmail.com> wrote:
>> From: David Horn <dhorn2000@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: host -6 failure
>> To: mdh_lists@yahoo.com
>> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
>> Date: Saturday, November 8, 2008, 7:25 PM
>> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 2:18 PM, mdh
>> <mdh_lists@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > Howdy folks,
>> > I'm having a little trouble understanding a
>> problem that the `host` command in RELENG_7_0 (very recent)
>> is having.  This is by and large my first time working with
>> IPv6, which I've been meaning to learn for some time.
>> First off, I've got my zone file configured to return a
>> AAAA record for x1.mydomain and named isn't complaining.
>>  However, when I run `host -6 x1.mydomain`, host returns the
>> following output:
>> >
>> > (root@rapier) [/etc/namedb]: host -6 x1.mydomain
>> >
>> /usr/src/lib/bind/isc/../../../contrib/bind9/lib/isc/unix/socket.c:1179:
>> internal_send: ::ffff:127.0.0.1#53: Invalid argument
>> >
>> /usr/src/lib/bind/isc/../../../contrib/bind9/lib/isc/unix/socket.c:1179:
>> internal_send: ::ffff:IP.IP.IP.8#53: Invalid argument
>> >
>> /usr/src/lib/bind/isc/../../../contrib/bind9/lib/isc/unix/socket.c:1179:
>> internal_send: ::ffff:127.0.0.1#53: Invalid argument
>> >
>> /usr/src/lib/bind/isc/../../../contrib/bind9/lib/isc/unix/socket.c:1179:
>> internal_send: ::ffff:IP.IP.IP.8#53: Invalid argument
>> > ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
>>
>> The '-6' on the command line for host(1) forces an
>> IPv6 only
>> connection to your nameserver, not necessarily a
>> "AAAA" query for the
>> hostname in question.  In this case, your nameservers
>> listed in the
>> warnings are IPv4 nameservers that host(1) is attempting to
>> connect to
>> using an ipv4 mapped ipv6 address (which by default is
>> disabled in the
>> kernel) In other words, don't use host -6 for this
>> scenario.
>
> Yet as I pointed out, the second nameserver in my resolv.conf is ::1 - so shouldn't it work with that?  It's clearly trying to contact the first and third nameservers listed.  If the behavior I'm experiencing is the proper behavior, then let me pose this question: when would anyone conceivably want to use the -6 option, and why does it exist?  My intent was to force a query to hit the nameserver on ::1 rather than 127.0.0.1.
>
>>
>> Most recent versions of the host(1) command will do both
>> "A" (IPv4
>> host record), and "AAAA" (IPv6 host record)
>> lookups for you
>> automatically.  For example:
>>
>>  host www.kame.net
>> www.kame.net has address 203.178.141.194
>> www.kame.net has IPv6 address
>> 2001:200:0:8002:203:47ff:fea5:3085
>>
>> >
>> > IP.IP.IP.8 is my ISP's DNS server, and is a third
>> option just in case the localhost DNS server crashes or goes
>> batty while I'm out drinking or somesuch.  Here's my
>> resolv.conf, which shows ::1 listed as the second nameserver
>> entry - however, it seems host -6 never even tries it.
>> >
>> > domain          mydomain
>> > search          mydomain
>> > nameserver      127.0.0.1
>> > nameserver      ::1
>> > nameserver      IP.IP.IP.8
>> >
>> > The DNS server running on localhost is authoritative
>> for mydomain.  I can ping it via localhost using both v4 and
>> v6, and I can also ping the external v4 and v6 addresses
>> just fine remotely.
>> >
>> > As I said, I'm new to IPv6, but this behavior
>> seems to be counterintuitive.  Am I just doing it wrong?
>> >
>>
>> For diagnosing your own nameservers, you are better off
>> using the
>> dig(1) utility.
>>
>> Example:
>>
>>  dig ipv6.google.com AAAA @::1
>>
>> This causes a dns query for an IPv6 address (aka
>> "AAAA" query) for the
>> hostname of "ipv6.google.com" using the
>> nameserver on the IPv6
>> localhost loopback address (::1), and will give a very nice
>> verbose
>> output.  man dig for more details.
>
> That is more useful, but still doesn't stifle my desire to stomp a potential bug in the base system.

Right after sending, I realized that I did not tell you all of the answer....

host(1) will successfully query ::1 when named is setup to listen on
::1 in named.conf, and ::1 is listed in /etc/resolv.conf (I just ran a
test on my box to be sure that it works this way with the -6 switch)

Example line from /etc/namedb/named.conf:

listen-on-v6    { ::1; any; };

And of course you need to restart named after the config change(
/etc/rc.d/named restart)

To make sure that it is listening on the IPv6 loopback address:

netstat -anW -f inet6

I do not remember the minimum version of bind (aka named) required for
IPv6 off the top of my head, but I am running 9.4.2-P2 on my IPv6
machine.

-_Dave

>
>>
>> Good Luck.
>>
>> BTW, if you have not already setup an IPv6 tunnel to the
>> internet, I
>> highly recommend SixXS's (www.sixxs.net) free tunnels
>> (and the
>> sixxs-aiccu port), or you can look at Hurricane Electric
>> (www.he.net),
>> and some other tunnel brokers as well.
>
> Actually this system is located at HE.  :)
>
> Thanks,
> - mdh
>
>
>
>
>
From no-spam at people.net.au  Sat Nov  8 18:08:52 2008
From: no-spam at people.net.au (no-spam@people.net.au)
Date: Sat Nov  8 18:08:59 2008
Subject: UFS2 limits
Message-ID: <50261.1226194851@people.net.au>

Hi,
I have a FreeBSD server that has about 10,500 subdirectories within a single
directory.
This number will keep rising and I assume UFS2 has a limit to the number of
sub-directories in a single directory - can anyone tell me what it is?

What about ZFS?

At some point I'll have to re-arrange things so that I have a deeper directory
structure, just wondering when I'll hit the limit so I can plan in advance :-)

Cheers,
Ian




From koitsu at FreeBSD.org  Sat Nov  8 18:40:49 2008
From: koitsu at FreeBSD.org (Jeremy Chadwick)
Date: Sat Nov  8 18:40:56 2008
Subject: UFS2 limits
In-Reply-To: <50261.1226194851@people.net.au>
References: <50261.1226194851@people.net.au>
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On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 01:40:51AM +0000, no-spam@people.net.au wrote:
> Hi,
> I have a FreeBSD server that has about 10,500 subdirectories within a single
> directory.
> This number will keep rising and I assume UFS2 has a limit to the number of
> sub-directories in a single directory - can anyone tell me what it is?

As far as I know, there is no such limit on the number of files/dirs
inside of a directory.

I don't want to change the topic of discussion, but I *highly* recommend
you ***stop*** whatever it is you're doing that is creating such a
directory structure.  Software which has to iterate through that
directory using opendir() and readdir() will get slower and slower as
time goes on.

If this is something you've written or have control over or can work
with engineers in regards to, I recommend you change your directory
naming scheme to have separate subdirectories with the first 2 or 3
letters of the directory you wish to create.  E.g.:

/some/place/00/00ilikezeros/*
/some/place/01/01binaryheaven/*
/some/place/aa/aardvarks/*
/some/place/ab/abuse/*
/some/place/ac/actuary/*
...
/some/place/xy/xylophones/*

You get the point.

Traversing this structure is much more efficient, and requires very
little code change on your part.  Those who run nameservers that host
many zones, for example, use this structure to ensure the daemon doesn't
take 32498231 years to start up.

> What about ZFS?
> 
> At some point I'll have to re-arrange things so that I have a deeper directory
> structure, just wondering when I'll hit the limit so I can plan in advance :-)

What baffles me is why you're looking at this problem from a " "how can
the filesystem solve this engineering mistake I made for me" standpoint,
rather than "how can I solve this engineering mistake I made so that it
doesn't impact the filesystem".  Very strange.  Sometimes looking at
things in a different light makes all the difference.

Hope this helps.

P.S. -- I hope this mail makes it to you, because your From line is
no-spam@people.net.au (I'll be surprised if your account name really is
that!).

-- 
| Jeremy Chadwick                                jdc at parodius.com |
| Parodius Networking                       http://www.parodius.com/ |
| UNIX Systems Administrator                  Mountain View, CA, USA |
| Making life hard for others since 1977.              PGP: 4BD6C0CB |

From rock_on_the_web at comcen.com.au  Sat Nov  8 19:39:34 2008
From: rock_on_the_web at comcen.com.au (Da Rock)
Date: Sat Nov  8 19:39:41 2008
Subject: Question on creating a video server
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On Sat, 2008-11-08 at 10:40 -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
>   OK, I'm just asking for opinions here on some application
> software.
> 
>   Like most people we have a nice big 21" TV set that will be
> obsolete in Feb.  I have been thinking about replacing this with a
> big screen TV set but the prices on them are still way, way
> way out of my budget (I just can't see spending $500 for
> a TV set, sorry!!!!)
> 
>   I can pick up really high quality, large, old-style
> video monitors from a computer surplus place near here for
> next to nothing.
> 
>   I'd like to setup a PC and put a HDTV tuner card in it
> for over-the-air HDTV broadcasts, and use that as a TV.
> 
>   We also have a ton of DVD's and I'd like to rip these
> to video files and put them on the PC.  Then when anyone
> wants to watch a movie they just watch it off the PC.
> I've already started doing this under Windows and it works
> great - it's even better since I can remove all those
> movie previews that the studio wants to force you to
> watch.
> 
>   Has anyone done this with FreeBSD and open source
> software, and has recommendations on what hardware to get
> and what software works with it?
> 
> PREFERABLY cheap - since ultimately we likely will get
> a big screen TV set once the prices fall.

Try the multimedia list, but for the most part (from my experience) the
modern tv tuners aren't really supported by FreeBSD (correct me if I'm
wrong) natively. Some are experimental and they're the hauppage tuners,
and then only a limited selection of them with limited features.

Another option maybe to try and get some of the linux drivers working
using linux compat_kmod- if you're really savvy that is...

Its been a real pain for me too, you're only other option is to use a
linux box (with greater driver support) which is what I'm using myself
right now until I can get the time to help in writing drivers for the
newer chipsets required for dvb. Check linuxtv.org for more info on
cards and chipsets and linux compatibility.

Good luck- there are some really cool options available to you once you
go down this path: like piping the transmission around your network
using multicasting so you can watch on just about every computer in the
house, setting up a personal, customised, tivo like system, and much
much more.

From freebsd at edvax.de  Sat Nov  8 22:25:54 2008
From: freebsd at edvax.de (Polytropon)
Date: Sat Nov  8 22:26:03 2008
Subject: eps to jpg conversion - which program?
In-Reply-To: <200811081212.46286.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za>
References: <49143663.9070804@shopzeus.com>
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	<200811081212.46286.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za>
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On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:12:46 +0200, Jonathan McKeown <jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za> wrote:
> You can also save yourself repeated calls to basename by using
> 
> for f in *eps; do
>     convert ${f%.eps}.jpg
> done
> 
> Look under parameter expansion in the manpage for sh(1) (or bash(1) if you 
> have bash installed).

Yes, that's a very good hint, I will use this in the future.
Note that $f as first parameter is missing (source for convert).



> As far as I can tell csh/tcsh doesn't support this 
> useful feature.

Well, I prefer the C Shell (instead of BASH) as primary dialog shell,
but for scripting, I always stay with the "good old" Bourne Shell,
simply because it's the standard scripting shell for UNIX, and it's
compatible to most Linusi, too (where /bin/sh@ -> /bin/bash,
but NB ! -f /bin/bash in FreeBSD).



> Essentially, a Bourne-type shell with parameter expansion expands 
> ${variable#prefix} or ${variable%suffix} to $variable with the prefix or 
> suffix, respectively, removed.

So this would be more efficient:

	#!/bin/sh
	for f in *eps; do
		[ ! -f ${f%.eps}.jpg ] && convert $f ${f%.eps}.jpg
	done



-- 
Polytropon
>From Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
From koitsu at FreeBSD.org  Sat Nov  8 23:36:35 2008
From: koitsu at FreeBSD.org (Jeremy Chadwick)
Date: Sat Nov  8 23:36:43 2008
Subject: eps to jpg conversion - which program?
In-Reply-To: <20081109072549.7272df20.freebsd@edvax.de>
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	<20081107201954.5d7e4993.freebsd@edvax.de>
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	<20081109072549.7272df20.freebsd@edvax.de>
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On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 07:25:49AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:12:46 +0200, Jonathan McKeown <jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za> wrote:
> > Essentially, a Bourne-type shell with parameter expansion expands 
> > ${variable#prefix} or ${variable%suffix} to $variable with the prefix or 
> > suffix, respectively, removed.
> 
> So this would be more efficient:
> 
> 	#!/bin/sh
> 	for f in *eps; do
> 		[ ! -f ${f%.eps}.jpg ] && convert $f ${f%.eps}.jpg
> 	done

Significantly.

Also, what guarantee do you have that all the filenames that match that
wildcard lack spaces in them?  Your [ and convert commands will botch
badly in that case.  See below.

<style-rant>
What people often forget while writing sh scripts is that spawning
external utilities slows down the script greatly, and destroys system
resources.  You might think "My machine has 923484390GB of RAM, and has
6500 processors; why do I care?" -- step back for a moment and think
about older/smaller boxes, or even more importantly, embedded machines
(very little memory, very little CPU).

Also think about situations where fork() will fail due to resource
limits or existing system resource exhaustion; what then?  I see this
regularly in perl scripts; people relying on `xxx` for no good reason.
I ask them, "Why are you doing this?  Can you not use <native-perl-code>
instead, and avoid wasting resources and excessive risk?", and they
often have no idea what I'm talking about.  And whenever I see `ssh
user@host "command"` in perl scripts, I cry.

That in mind, don't let your scripting mimic that of "perl bastards" who
*intentionally* write obfuscated code just to "show off" (often citing
"its faster" as the reason, choosing to intentionally ignore that perl
is a compiled language).  For complex pieces of sh that are hard to
visually parse: try to keep it simple, and take the time to write
decent/legible comments above the hairy part of the script.

Also remember that double-quoting filenames or variables that are used
as filenames is a VERY good idea.  Filenames with spaces are quite
common these days.  It's best to assume the worst, but not be *too*
over-zealous.

And don't forget about "set noglob" when appropriate!
</style-rant>

-- 
| Jeremy Chadwick                                jdc at parodius.com |
| Parodius Networking                       http://www.parodius.com/ |
| UNIX Systems Administrator                  Mountain View, CA, USA |
| Making life hard for others since 1977.              PGP: 4BD6C0CB |

From freebsd at edvax.de  Sun Nov  9 00:01:37 2008
From: freebsd at edvax.de (Polytropon)
Date: Sun Nov  9 00:01:43 2008
Subject: eps to jpg conversion - which program?
In-Reply-To: <20081109073632.GA32503@icarus.home.lan>
References: <49143663.9070804@shopzeus.com>
	<20081107201954.5d7e4993.freebsd@edvax.de>
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	<20081109072549.7272df20.freebsd@edvax.de>
	<20081109073632.GA32503@icarus.home.lan>
Message-ID: <20081109090132.bb4b8881.freebsd@edvax.de>

On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 23:36:32 -0800, Jeremy Chadwick <koitsu@freebsd.org> wrote:
> Also, what guarantee do you have that all the filenames that match that
> wildcard lack spaces in them?  Your [ and convert commands will botch
> badly in that case.  See below.

This is completely correct. If files are present as foo.EPS,
the "Windows" style of file naming, or foo.Eps in a mixed form,
the *.eps wouldn't catch it.

As you mentioned, it's good to assume the worst case. Not only
spaces, as well special characters. Now *that's* the real fun. :-)

	John@Foobar sent me | Copy [5] of C:\My Files\A&V with ? and ?.Eps

Another mentionable comment would be: "Why do you call the variable
just $f? Give it a better descriptive name." In this small example,
it won't lead into significant problems if you don't do it, but I've
seen shellscripts using $f, $f1, $f2, $g, $h, $y all over the file,
and it was hard to find out which values they should hold.



> <style-rant>
> What people often forget while writing sh scripts is that spawning
> external utilities slows down the script greatly, and destroys system
> resources.  You might think "My machine has 923484390GB of RAM, and has
> 6500 processors; why do I care?" -- step back for a moment and think
> about older/smaller boxes, or even more importantly, embedded machines
> (very little memory, very little CPU).

Hey, that's how software development helps hardware development,
or at least software development in Redmond. :-)

	                      Hardware ressources   ++
	Overall usage speed = ------------------------ = const.
	                      Software requirements ++

q.e.d.


> Also think about situations where fork() will fail due to resource
> limits or existing system resource exhaustion; what then?  I see this
> regularly in perl scripts; people relying on `xxx` for no good reason.
> I ask them, "Why are you doing this?  Can you not use <native-perl-code>
> instead, and avoid wasting resources and excessive risk?", and they
> often have no idea what I'm talking about.  And whenever I see `ssh
> user@host "command"` in perl scripts, I cry.

Ooow! Is this for real? If it is, it's a reason to hit someone's
head with the keyboard. :-)



> That in mind, don't let your scripting mimic that of "perl bastards" who
> *intentionally* write obfuscated code just to "show off" (often citing
> "its faster" as the reason, choosing to intentionally ignore that perl
> is a compiled language).  For complex pieces of sh that are hard to
> visually parse: try to keep it simple, and take the time to write
> decent/legible comments above the hairy part of the script.

Indentation, comments and descriptive identifiers help a lot.
If you read FreeBSD's (scripting) sources, you'll see that they
are of high quality.



> Also remember that double-quoting filenames or variables that are used
> as filenames is a VERY good idea.  Filenames with spaces are quite
> common these days.  It's best to assume the worst, but not be *too*
> over-zealous.

Especially when you're intending to use a piece of software,
even if it's just a three line shell script, more than just one
time, or if you want to share it with others.




-- 
Polytropon
>From Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
From mdh_lists at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  9 00:13:27 2008
From: mdh_lists at yahoo.com (mdh)
Date: Sun Nov  9 00:13:34 2008
Subject: host -6 failure
In-Reply-To: <25ff90d60811081710u6850be25jdc6d45631ee82af4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <218769.90655.qm@web56802.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

--- On Sat, 11/8/08, David Horn <dhorn2000@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: David Horn <dhorn2000@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: host -6 failure
> To: mdh_lists@yahoo.com
> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Date: Saturday, November 8, 2008, 8:10 PM
> On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 7:55 PM, mdh
> <mdh_lists@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > --- On Sat, 11/8/08, David Horn
> <dhorn2000@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> From: David Horn <dhorn2000@gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: host -6 failure
> >> To: mdh_lists@yahoo.com
> >> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> >> Date: Saturday, November 8, 2008, 7:25 PM
> >> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 2:18 PM, mdh
> >> <mdh_lists@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > Howdy folks,
> >> > I'm having a little trouble understanding
> a
> >> problem that the `host` command in RELENG_7_0
> (very recent)
> >> is having.  
> >> The '-6' on the command line for host(1)
> forces an
> >> IPv6 only
> >> connection to your nameserver, not necessarily a
> >> "AAAA" query for the
> >> hostname in question.  In this case, your
> nameservers
> >> listed in the
> >> warnings are IPv4 nameservers that host(1) is
> attempting to
> >> connect to
> >> using an ipv4 mapped ipv6 address (which by
> default is
> >> disabled in the
> >> kernel) In other words, don't use host -6 for
> this
> >> scenario.
> >
> > Yet as I pointed out, the second nameserver in my
> resolv.conf is ::1 - so shouldn't it work with that? 
> It's clearly trying to contact the first and third
> nameservers listed.  If the behavior I'm experiencing is
> the proper behavior, then let me pose this question: when
> would anyone conceivably want to use the -6 option, and why
> does it exist?  My intent was to force a query to hit the
> nameserver on ::1 rather than 127.0.0.1.
> >> >
> >> > domain          mydomain
> >> > search          mydomain
> >> > nameserver      127.0.0.1
> >> > nameserver      ::1
> >> > nameserver      IP.IP.IP.8
> >> >
> >> > The DNS server running on localhost is
> authoritative
> >> for mydomain.  I can ping it via localhost using
> both v4 and
> >> v6, and I can also ping the external v4 and v6
> addresses
> >> just fine remotely.
> >> >
> >> > As I said, I'm new to IPv6, but this
> behavior
> >> seems to be counterintuitive.  Am I just doing it
> wrong?
> >> >
> >>
> >> For diagnosing your own nameservers, you are
> better off
> >> using the
> >> dig(1) utility.
> >>
> >> Example:
> >>
> >>  dig ipv6.google.com AAAA @::1
> >>
> >> This causes a dns query for an IPv6 address (aka
> >> "AAAA" query) for the
> >> hostname of "ipv6.google.com" using the
> >> nameserver on the IPv6
> >> localhost loopback address (::1), and will give a
> very nice
> >> verbose
> >> output.  man dig for more details.
> >
> > That is more useful, but still doesn't stifle my
> desire to stomp a potential bug in the base system.
> 
> Right after sending, I realized that I did not tell you all
> of the answer....
> 
> host(1) will successfully query ::1 when named is setup to
> listen on
> ::1 in named.conf, and ::1 is listed in /etc/resolv.conf (I
> just ran a
> test on my box to be sure that it works this way with the
> -6 switch)
> 
> Example line from /etc/namedb/named.conf:
> 
> listen-on-v6    { ::1; any; };
> 
> And of course you need to restart named after the config
> change(
> /etc/rc.d/named restart)
> 
> To make sure that it is listening on the IPv6 loopback
> address:
> 
> netstat -anW -f inet6
> 
> I do not remember the minimum version of bind (aka named)
> required for
> IPv6 off the top of my head, but I am running 9.4.2-P2 on
> my IPv6
> machine.

All of the conditions for success are true, however it fails.  My DNS server software is responsing on ::1 port 53 (tcp and udp), and ::1 is the second nameserver listed in resolv.conf.  Still, host -6 fails as previously stated...  According to what you've said so far, this leads me to believe that it ought to work as expected, and not error out in the way I'm seeing.  

Am I missing something here?  Is my lack of general IPv6 knowledge causing me to blindly assume something incorrectly?  

Thanks, Matt



      
From no-spam at people.net.au  Sun Nov  9 00:45:50 2008
From: no-spam at people.net.au (Ian)
Date: Sun Nov  9 00:45:57 2008
Subject: UFS2 limits
In-Reply-To: <20081109024046.GB27423@icarus.home.lan>
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	<20081109024046.GB27423@icarus.home.lan>
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On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:10:46 Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 01:40:51AM +0000, no-spam@people.net.au wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I have a FreeBSD server that has about 10,500 subdirectories within a
> > single directory.
> > This number will keep rising and I assume UFS2 has a limit to the number
> > of sub-directories in a single directory - can anyone tell me what it is?
>
> As far as I know, there is no such limit on the number of files/dirs
> inside of a directory.
>
> I don't want to change the topic of discussion, but I *highly* recommend
> you ***stop*** whatever it is you're doing that is creating such a
> directory structure.  Software which has to iterate through that
> directory using opendir() and readdir() will get slower and slower as
> time goes on.
>
> If this is something you've written or have control over or can work
> with engineers in regards to, I recommend you change your directory
> naming scheme to have separate subdirectories with the first 2 or 3
> letters of the directory you wish to create.  E.g.:
>
> /some/place/00/00ilikezeros/*
> /some/place/01/01binaryheaven/*
> /some/place/aa/aardvarks/*
> /some/place/ab/abuse/*
> /some/place/ac/actuary/*
> ...
> /some/place/xy/xylophones/*
>
> You get the point.
>
> Traversing this structure is much more efficient, and requires very
> little code change on your part.  Those who run nameservers that host
> many zones, for example, use this structure to ensure the daemon doesn't
> take 32498231 years to start up.
>
> > What about ZFS?
> >
> > At some point I'll have to re-arrange things so that I have a deeper
> > directory structure, just wondering when I'll hit the limit so I can plan
> > in advance :-)
>
> What baffles me is why you're looking at this problem from a " "how can
> the filesystem solve this engineering mistake I made for me" standpoint,
> rather than "how can I solve this engineering mistake I made so that it
> doesn't impact the filesystem".  Very strange.  Sometimes looking at
> things in a different light makes all the difference.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> P.S. -- I hope this mail makes it to you, because your From line is
> no-spam@people.net.au (I'll be surprised if your account name really is
> that!).


Thanks for that Jeremy. I didn't invent this structure, but I daresay I can 
either modify it or get the original writer to do that. I never really gave 
it a thought before now - it was the system I was given to work with and it's 
worked fine so far, except when I try to list the contents of the directory - 
that takes ages!
All the folders are 7 digit numbers and we are up to approx. 0010500 entries 
(ie subdirs) so far. 
I guess it will just be a matter of experimenting to find the optimum number 
of sub-sub-directories per sub-directory :-/

Oh, and yes, that email address does work - I use it for mailing lists and 
other stuff where I'm likely to get spammed - it's ironic really :-)

Cheers,
-- 
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From fazaeli at sepehrs.com  Sun Nov  9 00:49:08 2008
From: fazaeli at sepehrs.com (H.fazaeli)
Date: Sun Nov  9 00:49:15 2008
Subject: UFS2 limits
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   The number of files and sub-directories is limited by the number
   of available inodes which is fixed at the time you create the
   file system (by -i argument to newfs(8)). Anyway, stick with
   Jeremy's advise if you do not like trouble.
   Jeremy Chadwick wrote:

On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 01:40:51AM +0000, [1]no-spam@people.net.au wrote:


Hi,
I have a FreeBSD server that has about 10,500 subdirectories within a single
directory.
This number will keep rising and I assume UFS2 has a limit to the number of
sub-directories in a single directory - can anyone tell me what it is?


As far as I know, there is no such limit on the number of files/dirs
inside of a directory.

I don't want to change the topic of discussion, but I *highly* recommend
you ***stop*** whatever it is you're doing that is creating such a
directory structure.  Software which has to iterate through that
directory using opendir() and readdir() will get slower and slower as
time goes on.

If this is something you've written or have control over or can work
with engineers in regards to, I recommend you change your directory
naming scheme to have separate subdirectories with the first 2 or 3
letters of the directory you wish to create.  E.g.:

/some/place/00/00ilikezeros/*
/some/place/01/01binaryheaven/*
/some/place/aa/aardvarks/*
/some/place/ab/abuse/*
/some/place/ac/actuary/*
...
/some/place/xy/xylophones/*

You get the point.

Traversing this structure is much more efficient, and requires very
little code change on your part.  Those who run nameservers that host
many zones, for example, use this structure to ensure the daemon doesn't
take 32498231 years to start up.



What about ZFS?

At some point I'll have to re-arrange things so that I have a deeper directory
structure, just wondering when I'll hit the limit so I can plan in advance :-)


What baffles me is why you're looking at this problem from a " "how can
the filesystem solve this engineering mistake I made for me" standpoint,
rather than "how can I solve this engineering mistake I made so that it
doesn't impact the filesystem".  Very strange.  Sometimes looking at
things in a different light makes all the difference.

Hope this helps.

P.S. -- I hope this mail makes it to you, because your From line is
[2]no-spam@people.net.au (I'll be surprised if your account name really is
that!).



--


Best regards.

Hooman Fazaeli [3]<hf@sepehrs.com>
Sepehr S. T. Co. Ltd.

Web: [4]http://www.sepehrs.com
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References

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From ertr1013 at student.uu.se  Sun Nov  9 01:35:25 2008
From: ertr1013 at student.uu.se (Erik Trulsson)
Date: Sun Nov  9 01:35:32 2008
Subject: UFS2 limits
In-Reply-To: <20081109024046.GB27423@icarus.home.lan>
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On Sat, Nov 08, 2008 at 06:40:46PM -0800, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 01:40:51AM +0000, no-spam@people.net.au wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I have a FreeBSD server that has about 10,500 subdirectories within a single
> > directory.
> > This number will keep rising and I assume UFS2 has a limit to the number of
> > sub-directories in a single directory - can anyone tell me what it is?
> 
> As far as I know, there is no such limit on the number of files/dirs
> inside of a directory.

Actually there is.  Each i-node on the disk contains a field telling how
many hard-links point to that inode. This field is a (signed) 16-bit value,
meaning the maximum number of hardlinks allowed is 32767.
Each subdirectory created contains a hardlink ('..') to its parent, thus
limiting the number of subdirectories to a single directory to less than 32767.

Note that this does not limit the number of files you can have in a single
directory, since normal files do not contain hardlinks to the parent
directory, but there are of course limits to the total number of files and
directories you can have on a single filesystem based on how many inodes
were created when the filesystem was first created.




-- 
<Insert your favourite quote here.>
Erik Trulsson
ertr1013@student.uu.se
From koitsu at FreeBSD.org  Sun Nov  9 01:38:46 2008
From: koitsu at FreeBSD.org (Jeremy Chadwick)
Date: Sun Nov  9 01:38:54 2008
Subject: UFS2 limits
In-Reply-To: <20081109093521.GA73108@owl.midgard.homeip.net>
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On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 10:35:21AM +0100, Erik Trulsson wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 08, 2008 at 06:40:46PM -0800, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
> > On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 01:40:51AM +0000, no-spam@people.net.au wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > I have a FreeBSD server that has about 10,500 subdirectories within a single
> > > directory.
> > > This number will keep rising and I assume UFS2 has a limit to the number of
> > > sub-directories in a single directory - can anyone tell me what it is?
> > 
> > As far as I know, there is no such limit on the number of files/dirs
> > inside of a directory.
> 
> Actually there is.  Each i-node on the disk contains a field telling how
> many hard-links point to that inode. This field is a (signed) 16-bit value,
> meaning the maximum number of hardlinks allowed is 32767.
> Each subdirectory created contains a hardlink ('..') to its parent, thus
> limiting the number of subdirectories to a single directory to less than 32767.

I hadn't even thought of that (the inode possibility did cross my mind,
but I figured inode counts would a) apply to the filesystem as a whole,
and b) apply to both files and directories.

Wow, thanks for the tip!  Learning something new every day...  :-)

> Note that this does not limit the number of files you can have in a single
> directory, since normal files do not contain hardlinks to the parent
> directory, but there are of course limits to the total number of files and
> directories you can have on a single filesystem based on how many inodes
> were created when the filesystem was first created.

-- 
| Jeremy Chadwick                                jdc at parodius.com |
| Parodius Networking                       http://www.parodius.com/ |
| UNIX Systems Administrator                  Mountain View, CA, USA |
| Making life hard for others since 1977.              PGP: 4BD6C0CB |

From rock_on_the_web at comcen.com.au  Sun Nov  9 01:44:58 2008
From: rock_on_the_web at comcen.com.au (Da Rock)
Date: Sun Nov  9 01:45:05 2008
Subject: Question on creating a video server
In-Reply-To: <20081108220925.C45863@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
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On Sat, 2008-11-08 at 22:09 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> >  Has anyone done this with FreeBSD and open source
> > software, and has recommendations on what hardware to get
> > and what software works with it?
> 
> mplayer play video files fine.
> 
> no idea about HDTV tunes

Mplayer works great, so does Xine. Thats what I use- I use mplayer for
recording using the dumpstream option and do post processing later with
mencoder.

The problem lies with getting the tuners themselves to work due to lack
of drivers...

From freebsd at edvax.de  Sun Nov  9 01:47:14 2008
From: freebsd at edvax.de (Polytropon)
Date: Sun Nov  9 01:47:22 2008
Subject: UFS2 limits
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On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:35:21 +0100, Erik Trulsson <ertr1013@student.uu.se> wrote:
> Note that this does not limit the number of files you can have in a single
> directory, since normal files do not contain hardlinks to the parent
> directory, but there are of course limits to the total number of files and
> directories you can have on a single filesystem based on how many inodes
> were created when the filesystem was first created.

Maybe this sounds stupid, but... given that a file system
can hold n entries. What happens when a program tries to
create file number n + 1?

I do ask this in order to explore if this could have been
the reason for my massive data loss and UFS file system
corruption.



-- 
Polytropon
>From Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
From fbsd1 at a1poweruser.com  Sun Nov  9 02:07:02 2008
From: fbsd1 at a1poweruser.com (Fbsd1)
Date: Sun Nov  9 02:07:10 2008
Subject: Gconf error in Pidgin & Abiword application on xfce Desktop
Message-ID: <4916B665.7030207@a1poweruser.com>

I installed the package of the Generic instant messenger application 
(Pidgin)on xfce desktop. It seems to work fine, but in the log it gives 
this message text.

GConf Error: Failed to contact configuration server; some possible 
causes are that you need to enable TCP/IP networking for ORBit, or you 
have stale NFS locks due to a system crash. See 
http://www.gnome.org/projects/gconf/ for information.
(Details -
1: IOR file '/var/tmp/gconfd-aiza/lock/ior' not opened successfully, no 
gconfd located: No such file or directory
2: IOR file '/var/tmp/gconfd-aiza/lock/ior' not opened successfully, no 
gconfd located: No such file or directory)

Inspection shows that the directory '/var/tmp/gconfd-aiza/lock/' is 
present, but its empty. Aiza in this case is the user name.
There is also in empty directory '/var/tmp/orbit-aiza'.

The package install of the word processing application Abiword also 
generates this same error message, but it is displayed as a startup 
error popup window when Abiword is launched from the xfce menu.

I tried creating am empty 'ior' file but that had no effect.

Question is: How can I correct this error?



From Pieter.Donche at ua.ac.be  Sun Nov  9 02:24:51 2008
From: Pieter.Donche at ua.ac.be (Pieter Donche)
Date: Sun Nov  9 02:24:58 2008
Subject: FreeBSD network ISP provider
In-Reply-To: <20081109093521.GA73108@owl.midgard.homeip.net>
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I installed FreeBSD 7.0 already on a system at my office (from CDs)
and set up internet connection while installing using the office LAN
(and its DHCP service).

I installed FreeBSD also on my laptop at home (with no network connection). 
(with X windows; startx gives me twm ..)
I want to install KDE3 from /usr/ports/x11/kde3
Tried as described: # cd /usr:ports/x11:kde3; make install clean
I had hoped everything necessary would be found in the disk.
But not: It returns errors because it tried to fetch packages from ftp
sites ... an soon stops..

So I still need Internet connection?

At home, I have an Internet connection via a Broadband Modem and an 
account at an Internet Service Provider. 
This was set up in WindowsXP succesfully (with IP 10.0.0.something,
netmask 255.255.255.0, no gateway, 2 DNS server IP addresses provided
by the ISP). When making the connection to my ISP I have to enter my 
username at the ISP provider (username@PROVIDERNAME) and my password)

But how do I set up that in FreeBSD ??

In the Post-installation section during Setup, at the question
'Would you like to configure any Ethernet or SLIP/PPP network devides?)
answering Yes shows the correct on-board netwerk interface (Broadcom 
BCM570xx PCI Gigabit ethernet card)

I tried DHCP, but no success (which was to expect)
Then I get the screen to fill in Host, Domain, Gateway, Name server
IPv4 address, netmask ...

What do I have to enter (Name server, netmask I can guess)
for IP?, host?, domain?
and where will come in my  username/password for my ISP connection

Thanks for hints.
Is there any document describing such a connection?

pieter
From rock_on_the_web at comcen.com.au  Sun Nov  9 02:50:03 2008
From: rock_on_the_web at comcen.com.au (Da Rock)
Date: Sun Nov  9 02:50:10 2008
Subject: Port Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator for FreeBSD?
In-Reply-To: <4915fa14.vqtg7f7qnYuMLvRh%perryh@pluto.rain.com>
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On Sat, 2008-11-08 at 12:44 -0800, perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote:
> > >> Is there a port like Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator for FreeBSD?
> > >> I would like to move to FreeBSD as soon as possible.
> > >
> > > You could try the gimp for manipulating bitmap images. For creating
> > > vector images, try either inkscape or xaralx. They're all in ports.
> >
> > i have a friend that do offset printing.
> >
> > he have to use windoze and photoshop for only one reason - gimp
> > doesn't support editing CMYK images
> 
> If all else fails, one could try running the Windows versions of
> Photoshop and Illustrator under wine.

That has been known to work, but not without some serious hacking. One
major problem is the software needs administrative access, so you need
to copy the registry from a working windows to the wine system.

If you're up to it its ok, but you do have to wonder whether you really
want cross contamination :), or even whether you want to support a
company that stubbornly refuses to consider OSS as a system it will
build it software for.

From fbsd1 at a1poweruser.com  Sun Nov  9 02:52:09 2008
From: fbsd1 at a1poweruser.com (Fbsd1)
Date: Sun Nov  9 02:52:19 2008
Subject: FreeBSD network ISP provider
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.63.0811091108440.14578@hmacs.cmi.ua.ac.be>
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Message-ID: <4916C0F9.9000007@a1poweruser.com>

Pieter Donche wrote:
> I installed FreeBSD 7.0 already on a system at my office (from CDs)
> and set up internet connection while installing using the office LAN
> (and its DHCP service).
> 
> I installed FreeBSD also on my laptop at home (with no network 
> connection). (with X windows; startx gives me twm ..)
> I want to install KDE3 from /usr/ports/x11/kde3
> Tried as described: # cd /usr:ports/x11:kde3; make install clean
> I had hoped everything necessary would be found in the disk.
> But not: It returns errors because it tried to fetch packages from ftp
> sites ... an soon stops..
> 
> So I still need Internet connection?
> 
> At home, I have an Internet connection via a Broadband Modem and an 
> account at an Internet Service Provider. This was set up in WindowsXP 
> succesfully (with IP 10.0.0.something,
> netmask 255.255.255.0, no gateway, 2 DNS server IP addresses provided
> by the ISP). When making the connection to my ISP I have to enter my 
> username at the ISP provider (username@PROVIDERNAME) and my password)
> 
> But how do I set up that in FreeBSD ??
> 
> In the Post-installation section during Setup, at the question
> 'Would you like to configure any Ethernet or SLIP/PPP network devides?)
> answering Yes shows the correct on-board netwerk interface (Broadcom 
> BCM570xx PCI Gigabit ethernet card)
> 
> I tried DHCP, but no success (which was to expect)
> Then I get the screen to fill in Host, Domain, Gateway, Name server
> IPv4 address, netmask ...
> 
> What do I have to enter (Name server, netmask I can guess)
> for IP?, host?, domain?
> and where will come in my  username/password for my ISP connection
> 
> Thanks for hints.
> Is there any document describing such a connection?
> 
> pieter
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> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
> 
> 
There is step by step instructions in the installer guide at 
www.a1poweruser.com
From usgrishin at samaradom.ru  Sun Nov  9 02:55:00 2008
From: usgrishin at samaradom.ru (Yuriy Grishin)
Date: Sun Nov  9 02:55:08 2008
Subject: [port : www/sams] What's wrong with my patch?
Message-ID: <49168ABB.7080708@samaradom.ru>

Hello,

More than 2 weeks ago I tried to take maintainership of www/sams because 
it hasn't been updated for a long time.
Current state : feedback. (but I've sent the file)
Could somebody please explain me what wrong with the patch is?
Why didn't the state changed?

See the pr here :
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=128124

--
Kind Regards, Yuriy Grishin

From ertr1013 at student.uu.se  Sun Nov  9 03:15:02 2008
From: ertr1013 at student.uu.se (Erik Trulsson)
Date: Sun Nov  9 03:15:09 2008
Subject: UFS2 limits
In-Reply-To: <20081109104711.e03722c4.freebsd@edvax.de>
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On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 10:47:11AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:35:21 +0100, Erik Trulsson <ertr1013@student.uu.se> wrote:
> > Note that this does not limit the number of files you can have in a single
> > directory, since normal files do not contain hardlinks to the parent
> > directory, but there are of course limits to the total number of files and
> > directories you can have on a single filesystem based on how many inodes
> > were created when the filesystem was first created.
> 
> Maybe this sounds stupid, but... given that a file system
> can hold n entries. What happens when a program tries to
> create file number n + 1?
> 
> I do ask this in order to explore if this could have been
> the reason for my massive data loss and UFS file system
> corruption.

I haven't tested what actually happens, but what should happen is that the
attempt to create file n+1 will simply fail with some appropriate error code
(see open(2) or mkdir(2) for details.)  It is certainly not supposed to
cause any kind of files system corruption.


-- 
<Insert your favourite quote here.>
Erik Trulsson
ertr1013@student.uu.se
From kernel at webrz.net  Sun Nov  9 03:16:41 2008
From: kernel at webrz.net (Jos Chrispijn)
Date: Sun Nov  9 03:16:47 2008
Subject: Port Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator for FreeBSD?
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Uit een eerder bericht (9-11-2008 4:43):
> That has been known to work, but not without some serious hacking. One
> major problem is the software needs administrative access, so you need
> to copy the registry from a working windows to the wine system.
>   
Could it be possible to use Adobe's Mac versions on FreeBSD with less 
hacking?

jc
From rsmith at xs4all.nl  Sun Nov  9 03:21:35 2008
From: rsmith at xs4all.nl (Roland Smith)
Date: Sun Nov  9 03:21:43 2008
Subject: UFS2 limits
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On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 10:47:11AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:35:21 +0100, Erik Trulsson <ertr1013@student.uu.se> wrote:
> > Note that this does not limit the number of files you can have in a single
> > directory, since normal files do not contain hardlinks to the parent
> > directory, but there are of course limits to the total number of files and
> > directories you can have on a single filesystem based on how many inodes
> > were created when the filesystem was first created.
> 
> Maybe this sounds stupid, but... given that a file system
> can hold n entries. What happens when a program tries to
> create file number n + 1?

The call to the open(2) system call will fail for one of the reasons
given in the manual page.
 
> I do ask this in order to explore if this could have been
> the reason for my massive data loss and UFS file system
> corruption.

My first point of inquiry in such a case would be if the hardware is
OK. If you're using (P|S)ATA|SCSI-3 devices, install smartmontools from
ports and test the disk with smartctl(8).

Roland
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From: rock_on_the_web at comcen.com.au (Da Rock)
Date: Sun Nov  9 03:56:03 2008
Subject: Port Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator for FreeBSD?
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On Sun, 2008-11-09 at 12:16 +0100, Jos Chrispijn wrote:
> Uit een eerder bericht (9-11-2008 4:43):
> > That has been known to work, but not without some serious hacking. One
> > major problem is the software needs administrative access, so you need
> > to copy the registry from a working windows to the wine system.
> >   
> Could it be possible to use Adobe's Mac versions on FreeBSD with less 
> hacking?

That's an unknown. There is no Mac emulator to speak of, and although
FreeBSD and the Mac OS share a common root they're not the same. You'd
need to really research where the differences lie and establish
something like a mac_compat to accomplish that goal.

But then do you really want to be supporting a corporation that refuses
to work with OSS? They've only supplied readers to linux, and have
outlawed the use of these on FreeBSD. Not really worth propping up when
with less effort you could learn to use and extend the free stuff thats
out there like Gimp and Scribus which would be beneficial to all.

From msoulier at digitaltorque.ca  Sun Nov  9 03:57:12 2008
From: msoulier at digitaltorque.ca (Michael P. Soulier)
Date: Sun Nov  9 03:57:18 2008
Subject: debugging cronjobs not running
Message-ID: <fb6605670811090357i7223fa23h4bf6cab5bb3b3da3@mail.gmail.com>

So, I'm running cron in debug mode, and I do see things like this
about my crontab.

load_entry()...returning successfully
load_env, read <*/5 * * * * cacti /usr/local/bin/php
/usr/local/share/cacti/poller.php 1>/dev/null 2>&1>
load_env, parse error, state = 7

but that parse_error line is the same for many links that do seem to
be run properly.

The symptoms I'm seeing is some cronjobs, specifically weekly ones,
not running as expected. Plus, I used to get email from the nightly
runs of periodic, and now I don't see anything. I know some jobs
aren't running because they produce files as output and I'm not seeing
them. That, or they're simply running unsuccessfully.

One thing I noticed is that "man 5 crontab" seems to make no mention
of the "user" field used in /etc/crontab, but that's likely just a
documentation error.

Has anyone ever configured cronjobs that just didn't run, or you
didn't get mail for them like you should have?

Thanks,
Mike
-- 
Michael P. Soulier <msoulier@digitaltorque.ca>
"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a
touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction."
--Albert Einstein
From m.seaman at infracaninophile.co.uk  Sun Nov  9 04:16:34 2008
From: m.seaman at infracaninophile.co.uk (Matthew Seaman)
Date: Sun Nov  9 04:16:42 2008
Subject: UFS2 limits
In-Reply-To: <20081109024046.GB27423@icarus.home.lan>
References: <50261.1226194851@people.net.au>
	<20081109024046.GB27423@icarus.home.lan>
Message-ID: <4916D492.5040406@infracaninophile.co.uk>

Jeremy Chadwick wrote:

> I don't want to change the topic of discussion, but I *highly* recommend
> you ***stop*** whatever it is you're doing that is creating such a
> directory structure.  Software which has to iterate through that
> directory using opendir() and readdir() will get slower and slower as
> time goes on.

With the implementation of UFS_DIRHASH the practical limit on the
size of directories is now a great deal larger. In particular
the slow down caused by linear search through the contents has been 
eliminated.  See ffs(7).  10,000 files or sub-directories, whist
not a particularly elegant setup, is actually not unworkable
nowadays.

As for the maximum number of subdirectories it is possible to create
on UFS2 -- it is limited by the inode structure to a 16 bit quantity.

% jot 100000 1 | xargs mkdir -v
[...]
32725
32726
32727
32728
32729
32730
3273mkdir: 32766: Too many links
mkdir: 32767: Too many links
mkdir: 32768: Too many links
mkdir: 32769: Too many links
mkdir: 32770: Too many links
mkdir: 32771: Too many links
[...]

Which is 32768 - 2 for the '.' and '..' links.  Trying to create too
many subdirectories just results in mkdir failing: the filesystem
itself is not damaged.

	Cheers,

	Matthew

-- 
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From msoulier at digitaltorque.ca  Sun Nov  9 04:19:07 2008
From: msoulier at digitaltorque.ca (Michael P. Soulier)
Date: Sun Nov  9 04:19:13 2008
Subject: why do I have 2 aliases.db files?
Message-ID: <fb6605670811090419p2f205721sab5ab62df10917af@mail.gmail.com>

I just noticed that I have one in /etc/mail and one in /etc, and
postfix is reading the one in /etc which the newaliases command hasn't
touched in ages 'cause it's been updating the one in /etc/mail.

/etc/mail looks like a sendmail thing. Should I just symlink
/etc/aliases.db to /etc/mail/aliases.db if I'm running postfix?

Thanks,
Mike
-- 
Michael P. Soulier <msoulier@digitaltorque.ca>
"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a
touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction."
--Albert Einstein
From koitsu at FreeBSD.org  Sun Nov  9 04:30:27 2008
From: koitsu at FreeBSD.org (Jeremy Chadwick)
Date: Sun Nov  9 04:30:34 2008
Subject: why do I have 2 aliases.db files?
In-Reply-To: <fb6605670811090419p2f205721sab5ab62df10917af@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fb6605670811090419p2f205721sab5ab62df10917af@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081109123024.GA38990@icarus.home.lan>

On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 07:19:05AM -0500, Michael P. Soulier wrote:
> I just noticed that I have one in /etc/mail and one in /etc, and
> postfix is reading the one in /etc which the newaliases command hasn't
> touched in ages 'cause it's been updating the one in /etc/mail.

It sounds like your machine has survived many upgrades of sendmail.  At
one point, /etc/aliases (and /etc/aliases.db) were the common path for
sendmail.  That has since changed to /etc/mail/aliases and
/etc/mail/aliases.db.

Note that /etc/aliases today is a symlink to /etc/mail/aliases.  AFAIK,
this is for "ease of transition".

> /etc/mail looks like a sendmail thing. Should I just symlink
> /etc/aliases.db to /etc/mail/aliases.db if I'm running postfix?

Absolutely not.  Postfix should not be using /etc/mail **at all**.
If you have your postfix configuration using that directory, you
probably shouldn't have.

The only piece of /etc/mail which is even remotely related to postfix is
/etc/mail/mailer.conf, which tells mailwrapper(1) what actual binaries
to run when using things like "newaliases" in /usr/bin, etc.

The aliases and aliases.db files in a default postfix installation are
in /usr/local/etc/postfix.  As I said, if you've changed these around in
your own postfix configuration, that's your own fault/doing.  :-)

Depending upon what you've done with your own postfix configuration, you
should delete /etc/aliases.db, and ensure /etc/aliases is a symlink to
mail/aliases (e.g. /etc/mail/aliases).

If there's any question about this, re-read what I've written a couple
times; I know that seeing the word "aliases" 50 times in a row can throw
people into confusion (I speak from experience).

-- 
| Jeremy Chadwick                                jdc at parodius.com |
| Parodius Networking                       http://www.parodius.com/ |
| UNIX Systems Administrator                  Mountain View, CA, USA |
| Making life hard for others since 1977.              PGP: 4BD6C0CB |

From eagletree at hughes.net  Sun Nov  9 04:34:45 2008
From: eagletree at hughes.net (Chris Pratt)
Date: Sun Nov  9 04:34:52 2008
Subject: UFS2 limits
In-Reply-To: <200811091848.32453.no-spam@people.net.au>
References: <50261.1226194851@people.net.au>
	<20081109024046.GB27423@icarus.home.lan>
	<200811091848.32453.no-spam@people.net.au>
Message-ID: <D54A39D2-7C95-46EF-B4B7-C5D5E4FF8A9D@hughes.net>


On Nov 9, 2008, at 12:18 AM, Ian wrote:

> On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:10:46 Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
>> On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 01:40:51AM +0000, no-spam@people.net.au  
>> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I have a FreeBSD server that has about 10,500 subdirectories  
>>> within a
>>> single directory.
>>> This number will keep rising and I assume UFS2 has a limit to the  
>>> number
>>> of sub-directories in a single directory - can anyone tell me  
>>> what it is?
>>
>> As far as I know, there is no such limit on the number of files/dirs
>> inside of a directory.
>>
>>
> Thanks for that Jeremy. I didn't invent this structure, but I  
> daresay I can
> either modify it or get the original writer to do that. I never  
> really gave
> it a thought before now - it was the system I was given to work  
> with and it's
> worked fine so far, except when I try to list the contents of the  
> directory -
> that takes ages!
> All the folders are 7 digit numbers and we are up to approx.  
> 0010500 entries
> (ie subdirs) so far.
> I guess it will just be a matter of experimenting to find the  
> optimum number
> of sub-sub-directories per sub-directory :-/

On the issue of possible inode limitations, it may be of some  
reassurance
(or alarm ;-)) to look at the output of df -i. This will tell you if  
you are close
to any limit on inodes. Between that and your already well known  
counts of
directories and rate of creation, you can gauge how much time you  
have to
change your app.

From koitsu at FreeBSD.org  Sun Nov  9 04:36:41 2008
From: koitsu at FreeBSD.org (Jeremy Chadwick)
Date: Sun Nov  9 04:36:48 2008
Subject: debugging cronjobs not running
In-Reply-To: <fb6605670811090357i7223fa23h4bf6cab5bb3b3da3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fb6605670811090357i7223fa23h4bf6cab5bb3b3da3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081109123640.GA39105@icarus.home.lan>

On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 06:57:10AM -0500, Michael P. Soulier wrote:
> So, I'm running cron in debug mode, and I do see things like this
> about my crontab.

I'm not sure why you sent this to me directly, but I do appreciate you
CC'ing the mailing lists.  :-)

> load_entry()...returning successfully
> load_env, read <*/5 * * * * cacti /usr/local/bin/php
> /usr/local/share/cacti/poller.php 1>/dev/null 2>&1>
> load_env, parse error, state = 7
> 
> but that parse_error line is the same for many links that do seem to
> be run properly.

I have no familiarity with the internals of cron, so I have no idea what
"parse error" implies, nor "state = 7".

> The symptoms I'm seeing is some cronjobs, specifically weekly ones,
> not running as expected. Plus, I used to get email from the nightly
> runs of periodic, and now I don't see anything. I know some jobs
> aren't running because they produce files as output and I'm not seeing
> them. That, or they're simply running unsuccessfully.
>
> One thing I noticed is that "man 5 crontab" seems to make no mention
> of the "user" field used in /etc/crontab, but that's likely just a
> documentation error.

That's because /etc/crontab is not crontab(5).  See cron(8) for mentions
of the "system-level crontab".  Please file a PR on the documentation
confusion so it can get fixed/addressed.

> Has anyone ever configured cronjobs that just didn't run, or you
> didn't get mail for them like you should have?

No, this has never happened to me, or on any of the systems I've
administrated.

It might be worthwhile using "crontab -e -u <user>" and see if those
crontabs reliably work for you.  If so, then the problem is likely with
the system-level crontab and not with user-level crontabs.

Before doing this, be sure to note what security/pam checks get applied
to user-level crontabs vs. system-level crontabs.  This is documented in
cron(8).  You might have to change shells of some accounts on your
system to get user-level crontabs to work for those accounts.

-- 
| Jeremy Chadwick                                jdc at parodius.com |
| Parodius Networking                       http://www.parodius.com/ |
| UNIX Systems Administrator                  Mountain View, CA, USA |
| Making life hard for others since 1977.              PGP: 4BD6C0CB |

From koitsu at FreeBSD.org  Sun Nov  9 04:37:32 2008
From: koitsu at FreeBSD.org (Jeremy Chadwick)
Date: Sun Nov  9 04:37:39 2008
Subject: why do I have 2 aliases.db files?
In-Reply-To: <20081109123024.GA38990@icarus.home.lan>
References: <fb6605670811090419p2f205721sab5ab62df10917af@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081109123024.GA38990@icarus.home.lan>
Message-ID: <20081109123726.GB39105@icarus.home.lan>

On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 04:30:24AM -0800, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
> The only piece of /etc/mail which is even remotely related to postfix is
> /etc/mail/mailer.conf, which tells mailwrapper(1) what actual binaries
                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That should have been mailwrapper(8).

-- 
| Jeremy Chadwick                                jdc at parodius.com |
| Parodius Networking                       http://www.parodius.com/ |
| UNIX Systems Administrator                  Mountain View, CA, USA |
| Making life hard for others since 1977.              PGP: 4BD6C0CB |

From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl  Sun Nov  9 06:39:55 2008
From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar)
Date: Sun Nov  9 06:40:02 2008
Subject: UFS2 limits
In-Reply-To: <50261.1226194851@people.net.au>
References: <50261.1226194851@people.net.au>
Message-ID: <20081109152835.N49145@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>

> Hi,
> I have a FreeBSD server that has about 10,500 subdirectories within a single
> directory.
> This number will keep rising and I assume UFS2 has a limit to the number of
> sub-directories in a single directory - can anyone tell me what it is?


make sure your kernel is compiled with

options         UFS_DIRHASH


or it will be slow


the limit is 32765, just because link count is 2 bytes wide and each 
subdir adds two to base directory. you have to change to 2 level 
hierarchy.


with files - i started creating empty files, it turned slow after 
about 320000.
From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl  Sun Nov  9 06:43:04 2008
From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar)
Date: Sun Nov  9 06:43:11 2008
Subject: UFS2 limits
In-Reply-To: <4916D492.5040406@infracaninophile.co.uk>
References: <50261.1226194851@people.net.au>
	<20081109024046.GB27423@icarus.home.lan>
	<4916D492.5040406@infracaninophile.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20081109154158.D85053@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>

>
> With the implementation of UFS_DIRHASH the practical limit on the
> size of directories is now a great deal larger. In particular
> the slow down caused by linear search through the contents has been

but - try making (by shell script for example) empty files.

it creates it fast and rapidly slows at about 320000 on my machine.

i have UFS_DIRHASH
From msoulier at digitaltorque.ca  Sun Nov  9 07:06:35 2008
From: msoulier at digitaltorque.ca (Michael P. Soulier)
Date: Sun Nov  9 07:06:42 2008
Subject: debugging cronjobs not running
In-Reply-To: <20081109123640.GA39105@icarus.home.lan>
References: <fb6605670811090357i7223fa23h4bf6cab5bb3b3da3@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081109123640.GA39105@icarus.home.lan>
Message-ID: <fb6605670811090706y34d3dd8cw8af4d207a2b35e2f@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 7:36 AM, Jeremy Chadwick <koitsu@freebsd.org> wrote:
> I'm not sure why you sent this to me directly, but I do appreciate you
> CC'ing the mailing lists.  :-)

Old thread, my bad.

> No, this has never happened to me, or on any of the systems I've
> administrated.

Found it. The problem was several things.

1. The 6.3 upgrade merged in a HOME of /var/log in crontab, which
broke some $HOME references in some of my jobs.

2. My /etc/aliases.db hadn't been used in some time, /etc/mail/aliases.db was.

All fixed. The parse error in the debug was apparently not service
affecting. I suspect it's looking for environment variables set before
the command to run, judging by some of the code snippets I looked at.

Mike
-- 
Michael P. Soulier <msoulier@digitaltorque.ca>
"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a
touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction."
--Albert Einstein
From roberthuff at rcn.com  Sun Nov  9 08:02:10 2008
From: roberthuff at rcn.com (Robert Huff)
Date: Sun Nov  9 08:02:17 2008
Subject: UFS2 limits
In-Reply-To: <20081109152835.N49145@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
References: <50261.1226194851@people.net.au>
	<20081109152835.N49145@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
Message-ID: <18711.2431.464472.977892@jerusalem.litteratus.org>


Wojciech Puchar writes:

>  the limit is 32765, just because link count is 2 bytes wide and
>  each subdir adds two to base directory. you have to change to 2
>  level hierarchy.

	Question (for anyone who has an informed opinion):
	If there any technical reason that couldn't be expanded to 32
bits?  Or is it possible but not done for historical or
policy reasons, and if so what are they?


				Robert Huff

From koitsu at FreeBSD.org  Sun Nov  9 08:15:12 2008
From: koitsu at FreeBSD.org (Jeremy Chadwick)
Date: Sun Nov  9 08:15:20 2008
Subject: UFS2 limits
In-Reply-To: <18711.2431.464472.977892@jerusalem.litteratus.org>
References: <50261.1226194851@people.net.au>
	<20081109152835.N49145@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>
	<18711.2431.464472.977892@jerusalem.litteratus.org>
Message-ID: <20081109161509.GA43922@icarus.home.lan>

On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 11:02:07AM -0500, Robert Huff wrote:
> Wojciech Puchar writes:
> 
> >  the limit is 32765, just because link count is 2 bytes wide and
> >  each subdir adds two to base directory. you have to change to 2
> >  level hierarchy.
> 
> 	Question (for anyone who has an informed opinion):
> 	If there any technical reason that couldn't be expanded to 32
> bits?  Or is it possible but not done for historical or
> policy reasons, and if so what are they?

At this point, I think this topic should be relocated to the freebsd-fs
mailing list.

-- 
| Jeremy Chadwick                                jdc at parodius.com |
| Parodius Networking                       http://www.parodius.com/ |
| UNIX Systems Administrator                  Mountain View, CA, USA |
| Making life hard for others since 1977.              PGP: 4BD6C0CB |

From kitchetech at gmail.com  Sun Nov  9 08:27:52 2008
From: kitchetech at gmail.com (matt donovan)
Date: Sun Nov  9 08:28:10 2008
Subject: [port : www/sams] What's wrong with my patch?
In-Reply-To: <49168ABB.7080708@samaradom.ru>
References: <49168ABB.7080708@samaradom.ru>
Message-ID: <28283d910811090827n7e773cexf2a46c7b6b05a09e@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 2:01 AM, Yuriy Grishin <usgrishin@samaradom.ru>wrote:

> Hello,
>
> More than 2 weeks ago I tried to take maintainership of www/sams because it
> hasn't been updated for a long time.
> Current state : feedback. (but I've sent the file)
> Could somebody please explain me what wrong with the patch is?
> Why didn't the state changed?
>
> See the pr here :
> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=128124
>
> --
> Kind Regards, Yuriy Grishin
>
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well if you look at the pr they tell you exactly what's wrong with it I
would point you to
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/problem-reports/

and here is what they said about your patch

Hello, Yury!
Some useful information about problem report you may read in man 1 send-pr.
Don't use cyrillic names in From: field, don't send bziped or gziped patches
if they are not too large - plain text is good enough for reading (and
uu-encoded bzip - not). Also read
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/problem-reports/ article
and GNU Info file send-pr.info .

-- 
Cheers
Denis Barov
From dan-freebsd-questions at ourbrains.org  Sun Nov  9 08:35:59 2008
From: dan-freebsd-questions at ourbrains.org (Dan)
Date: Sun Nov  9 08:36:06 2008
Subject: UFS2 limits
In-Reply-To: <20081109024046.GB27423@icarus.home.lan>
References: <50261.1226194851@people.net.au>
	<20081109024046.GB27423@icarus.home.lan>
Message-ID: <20081109160917.GA4223@ourbrains.org>

Jeremy Chadwick(koitsu@FreeBSD.org)@2008.11.08 18:40:46 -0800:
> I don't want to change the topic of discussion, but I *highly* recommend
> you ***stop*** whatever it is you're doing that is creating such a
> directory structure.  Software which has to iterate through that
> directory using opendir() and readdir() will get slower and slower as
> time goes on.

On a related note there are filesystems that handle many
files/directories very quickly. They use alternate tree data structures
that behave quicker. ReiserFS is one of them. I believe XFS does quite
well too. FreeBSD should have adapted XFS in addition to ZFS. ZFS is a
resource monster. Shame, really. XFS is freely available in Linux for a
number of years. Hammer, the new FS for FreeBSDs is available for
DragonflyBSD.
From ertr1013 at student.uu.se  Sun Nov  9 08:53:17