kde troubles....
Gary Kline
kline at thought.org
Wed Aug 20 02:17:54 UTC 2008
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 12:59:59AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:36:37 -0700, Gary Kline <kline at thought.org> wrote:
> > On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 03:57 +0200, Polytropon wrote:
> > > On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:41:42 -0700, Gary Kline <kline at thought.org> wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 02:02 +0200, Polytropon wrote:
> > > > > Yes, since I need to use FreeBSD 7 after an accident destroying all
> > > > > my data where fsck cannot help anymore, and FreeBSD 7 and it's
> > > > > software does not behave the way I think it should... :-(
> > > > >
> >
> > After my Nov., 1999 disk failure, I found that my 4G tape had
> > overwritten stuff; I lost 10 months of data files. .... .
>
> For me, it was July 2nd. The data is still there, but I can't
> access it because the inode at the entry to my home directory
> has died, and fsck_ffs says stupid things. :-)
>
Can you connect with your network in any way? A couple years ago
I had an "Oh no" situation where I figured everything was lost,
but by booting single-user a network wizard somewhere nearby came
by and moved /home, /etc/ and /usr/local/etc to my Ubuntu
computer. It was voodoo to me. Still is. Suggest to hang on to
your drive and see if there is some net-wizard nearby you.
>
>
> > Are you using gcc 4.3 with -O3?
>
> % cc --version
> cc (GCC) 4.2.1 20070719 [FreeBSD]
>
> > I have noticed that 4.3 generates
> > faster binaries.
>
> Well, I don't care if buildworld lasts 3, 4 or 5 hours, but 9 hours?
> With FreeBSD 5, everything went fine, but as I am using FreeBSD 7
> now, things seem (!) to run much slower. Opera does 100% CPU load,
> the USB keyboard is detected minutes after startup, the duplex printer
> does not print duplex anymore...
>
Sometimes when I have many instantiations of kde-gnash going I
grind to a crawl, then to a near halt. This is with 7.0. I
didn't see that with 6.x.
>
>
> > > In the "good old times", you could update your applications
> > > and they ran faster on the same hardware. That's what I've loved
> > > FreeBSD for. Today, the applications run slower after every
> > > update, so I have to update my hardware in order to just keep
> > > the speed?
> > >
> >
> > ....Sounds like DOS/Windows.
>
> Bah, that's why I'm using FreeBSD - to benefit from the speed
> improvements in the same (!) hardware. Sadly, this doesn't seem
> to be true anymore...?
>
>
>
> > Every new release, Intel counts up its
> > $billions in faster uprocessors. With our stuff, it may be X11 and
> > possibly sloppy hacking. I can't tell since I just gave away my old
> > 750MHz for a 2.4GHz Dell.
>
> I may tell this: My 300 MHz P2 runs faster than my 2000 MHz P4!
> And I won't buy any new stuff as long as the "old" one is working
> well, just to keep the same speed? Wrong universe. Something must be
> wrong here...
>
Have you posted to the kernel hackers? Can you borrow someone's
fast[er] hardware and duplicate your configuration?
>
>
> > Examples, please? ball-park [estimates] for times are okay.
>
> On FreeBSD 7 before and after update (RVS is a custom kernel):
>
> # time make buildkernel KERNCONF=RVS
> 3289.368u 529.669s 1:05:25.90 97.2% -4998+1011k 594+1344io 19pf+0w
> 3503.732u 524.399s 1:11:05.53 94.4% -4434+1071k 15322+1391io 363pf+0w
> # time make buildworld
> 11457.047u 2151.158s 3:54:15.31 96.8% -151+1107k 23315+5217io 2542pf+0w
> # time make installkernel KERNCONF=RVS
> 17.396u 12.587s 0:46.89 63.9% 392+738k 5+1213io 248pf+0w
>
> # time make buildworld buildkernel KERNCONF=RVS -DUSBDEBUG
> 16574.070u 2516.128s 6:06:03.90 86.9% -191+-1116k 33078+6212io 3131pf+0w
>
> # time make buildkernel KERNCONF=RVS -D USBDEBUG
> 4032.019u 572.636s 1:58:29.08 64.7% -2702+1072k 14386+1288io 366pf+0w
>
> # time make buildkernel KERNCONF=RVS -D USBDEBUG
> 18232.967u 2427.404s 7:19:49.24 78.2% 391+379k 47250+5754io 3049pf+0w
>
> # time make installkernel KERNCONF=RVS
> 18.890u 12.131s 1:11.85 43.1% 412+2177k 2908+2267io 1597pf+0w
>
> # time make buildworld buildkernel KERNCONF=RVS
> 18992.839u 2569.146s 9:12:00.28 65.1% 927+762k 25593+6358io 2506pf+0w
>
> On FreeBSD 5 with the same hardware configuration:
>
> With CPUFLAGS:
> # make buildworld buildkernel KERNCONF=wega
> 17494.415u 2562.134s 5:46:42.25 96.4% -698+-372k 43107+2928io 2827pf+0w
>
> Without CPUFLAGS:
> # make buildworld buildkernel KERNCONF=wega
> 17474.169u 2481.368s 5:46:30.40 95.9% -1038+-774k 39520+2905io 2595pf+0w
>
> # make buildkernel KERNCONF=wega
> 2326.380u 234.457s 43:42.15 97.6% 1183+1677k 3176+188io 112pf+0w
>
> /usr/ports# portupgrade XFree86-Server
> 332.595u 82.812s 2:12:18.97 5.2% 172+637k 2631+391io 550pf+0w
>
> /usr/ports/x11-servers/driglide# make install clean
> 333.174u 82.905s 7:06.14 97.6% 961+1097k 575+30io 156pf+0w
>
> /usr/ports/multimedia/mplayer# time make WITH_SDL=yes WITH_VORBIS=yes
> WITH_XANIM=yes WITH_REALPLAYER=yes WITH_LIVEMEDIA=yes
> WITH_XANIM=yes WITH_REALPLAYER=yes WITH_LIVEMEDIA=yes
> WITH_OPTIMIZED_CFLAGS=yes WITHOUT_RUNTIME_CPUDETECTION=yes
> HAVE_GNOME=no CFLAGS="-O3 -pipe -ffast-math" install clean
> 3622.758u 602.146s 1:19:43.90 88.3% 1243+2304k 1424+1448io 915pf+0w
>
> # make buildworld buildkernel
> 5608.712u 1595.130s 2:13:18.67 90.0% -2759+2043k 33442+2608io 15274pf+0w
> # make buildworld
> 5086.993u 1431.086s 1:58:16.33 91.8% -2924+2023k 44932+2512io 3939pf+0w
> # make buildkernel KERNCONF
> 1102.491u 278.194s 25:18.58 90.9% 3629+1716k 4965+669io 193pf+0w
> # make buildkernel KERNCONF
> 1182.203u 294.622s 26:12.71 93.9% 3556+1677k 6684+693io 242pf+0w
> # make installkernel KERNCONF
> 5.718u 6.898s 0:30.97 40.6% 248+490k 1129+1645io 200pf+0w
>
> # make buildworld buildkernel KERNCONF
> 6382.185u 1788.433s 2:26:36.06 92.8% -1598+1915k 49796+3189io 2400pf+0w
> # make installkernel KERNCONF
> 6.655u 7.389s 0:32.08 43.7% 281+496k 1186+1648io 205pf+0w
> # make buildkernel KERNCONF
> 1518.402u 310.741s 34:16.96 88.9% 4077+1779k 6184+665io 48pf+0w
> # make installkernel KERNCONF
> 6.994u 7.734s 0:33.19 44.3% 220+466k 926+1650io 185pf+0w
>
> # make buildkernel KERNCONF
> 3289.368u 529.669s 1:05:25.90 97.2% -4998+1011k 594+1344io 19pf+0w
> # make buildworld
> 11457.047u 2151.158s 3:54:15.31 96.8% -151+1107k 23315+5217io 2542pf+0w
>
Unreal! My first thought would be to check out your faster
2.0GHz hardware. I've got a CD that tests drives and said my two
drives on the Dell (2.4GHz) were okay. Is there any kind of
DOS/Win tool to check the microprocessor? It can't be fans
completely, but how many do you have. My 1998 Kayaks have three
fans keeping the 400MHz uproc cool.
Once you've checked and 2-checked that your 2000MHz processor is
really doing that speed, asking somebody on the -hardware
list[s??] wouldn't hurt. ---A *bit* slower/faster is one thing.
Your data makes no sense whatsoever!!
>
>
> > The worst ting for me is re-compiling OO
Oh, [****]! Building OO was always a nightmare before my Dell.
Now it builds in less than 48 hours.
>
> I would never try this. StarOffice and OpenOffice 1 had precompiled
> packages for use with pkg_add -r, but this was years ago.
I'm running 2.4 (I think), I only use the word-processor, and
it's fine. ... .
>
>
> > Ah, you may be the perfect man to ask about this multi-wm launch daemon.
> > I saw it once a long, long time ago. I would really like to try
> > different window managers. I used ctwm for Years, but that sseemed
> > to limit my use of certain apps. Mostly in the Gnome/KDE world. Soooo,
> > bit bit bit I got used to the default gnome desktop/wm on my Ubuntu
> > computer. I wound up trying KDE and used it until it finally broke
> > after a power surge or power-out.
> >
>
> > What are your top w managers?
>
> Most used and most favourite: Windowmaker. Why? Doesn't waste space
> on screen (dock vertically on right, no miniwindows), does not put
> too many window decorations, has excellent (!) keyboard support and
> does even operate very well with the Sun type 6 USB keyboard: the
> extra keys launch programs and manipulate window states (lower, raise,
> minimize, rollup etc.).
>
> For slower systems: XFCE version 3. Why version 3? Because users
> coming from a CDE background are familiar with this interface.
>
> Others: olvwm, blackbox.
>
> I tried tiling window managers, too, but don't find myself comfortable
> with them. Too different paradigm.
>
>
>
> > I'll try your startup config, thanks. Sometimes I'll get up but my
> > xmodmap never touch my rc file; bothers me.
>
> The call to xmodmap is neccessary in order to put symbols onto
> the additional keys of the Sun USB keyboard so they can be grabbed
> and associated to different WM functionalities.
>
>
>
> > Right. There is a way of havving gnome boot into graphics mode, [...]
>
> This is done via /etc/ttys and a call to gdm.
>
>
>
> > [...] but
> > since I'm a CLI type ----except for Xterms ----, I like to see the
> > console.
>
> Same here, too. X terminals are fine, but sometimes, I like it
> old fashioned - 80x25. :-)
>
>
>
> > The portupgrade finished; time to reboot and see if that fixed
> > anything.
>
> Good luck!
>
I recently rebuilt kdebase3 [?], using portupgrade -vf and moved
from 3.8-foo to 3.9. Then after some coffee I came back and figured
I'd -force the rebuilt of kde3. When things Just-Work{tm}, it's
great, but otherwise, having to spend some N hours chasing down
this strange kind of bug really in a huge time-sink.
Thanks to M. Talon for his observation that there was // might be
a problem with locks in KDE. ...Now that kde3 is rebuilt, time
to reboot and see what happens.
Please do keep me and the rest of the list up to date regarding
your hardware problems.
gary
>
> --
> Polytropon
> From Magdeburg, Germany
> Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
> Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
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