mail server setup questions

[Jim Stapleton]

Please, I didn't intend this to be a flame war - though thinking back,
I guess I should have expected strong views on this. This is not the
place for such agressiveness.


The rest of this is for everyone
Thank all of you for your suggestions, I'll look at them. This is a
mail server for me and maybe a few friends. I plan on running incoming
SMTP, maybe at some point outgoing (requiring authentication/SSL,
definetly no relay), no relay, no webmail, POP, if possible only under
SSL. I think there's enough here for me to do my research and get what
I need. Thank you,

-Jim Stapleton


On 9/5/07, Ted Mittelstaedt <tedm at toybox.placo.com> wrote:
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
> > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions at freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Nikola Lecic
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 11:41 PM
> > To: Ted Mittelstaedt
> > Cc: Russell E. Meek; Jim Stapleton; freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
> > Subject: Re: mail server setup questions
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 23:21:47 -0700
> > "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm at toybox.placo.com> wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> > > Kind of like the country of Iraq buying a nuclear device -
> > > they don't know what they have, don't know how to build it,
> > > and are not qualified at all to use it.
> > [...]
> >
> > Please save us from these words of wisdom. Your opinions about "them"
> > and about "competence" and "collective knowledge" of world states are
> > off-topic here. Such arrogancy and ignorance are very miserable.
> >
>
> Your reaction is facinating considering the location implied by
> your e-mail reply address.  I can perhaps understand your adversion
> to the use of metaphors in language - God know the Serbian propagandists
> warped the metaphor beyond the breaking point in your history and
> perhaps now, there is a horror of them there that will take generations to
> dissipate.
>
> In any case, please rest assured I was not talking about nuclear
> weapons or Iraq, merely incompetent admins running mailservers
> that were beyond their capabilities.  It was merely a metaphor.  I
> would encourage you to get beyond your instinctual knee-jerk
> reaction against the metaphor, as it is widely used language device
> in virtually all languages and cultures in use by mankind today.
>
> No serious person would ever argue for the proposition that a
> non-nuclear country be allowed to purchase nuclear weapons, much
> less use them.  As, no serious person should ever argue for
> "clueless admins" to run mailservers that they know nothing about.
>
> Never forget when you or anyone sets up a mailserver on the
> Internet you are putting a server online that can be used to
> cause a tremendous amount of damage to other mailservers on the
> Internet.  It is a responsibility that should never be taken
> lightly.  Far too many "Windoze admins" do this already.  We
> as FreeBSD users do not need to emulate such disgusting behavior.
>
> Jim posted here asking for help, using words and language that
> gives serious doubt that he is competent to run a mailserver
> of any kind.  It would be irresponsible in the extreme to tell
> him to run pell-mell into fielding a system that is way beyond
> his capabilities.  His goal should be to gain competence as
> well as a mailserver, lest he cause serious problems on the
> Internet.  We do NOT need one more misconfigured server on the
> Internet that is a spam or virus source.  The best way for him
> to do this - and be a responsible network admin - is to start
> small, with individual pieces, and learn each subsystem.  The
> worst way would be to drop a canned package in that he doesen't
> understand.
>
> It is to the list's credit that the vast majority of responses
> to Jim were to direct him to the individual packages - NOT to
> a "toaster" approach that would likely teach him nothing.
>
> Hopefully next time you will stick to addressing the topic of the
> responses and not get hung up on attacking an alliteration or
> some other language device that someone might use.
>
>
> Ted
>
>