Fresh install won't compile requirement libraries for cvsup
Ian Smith
smithi at nimnet.asn.au
Thu Jun 14 14:18:50 UTC 2007
On Wed, 13 Jun 2007, Andrew Falanga wrote:
> On 6/13/07, Ian Smith <smithi at nimnet.asn.au> wrote:
> > On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 10:02:38 -0600 Andrew Falanga <af300wsm at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > a hard hang. Nothing worked. I could not even Alt+<num> to a
> > > different pseudo terminal. The system just hard hanged. I rebooted
> > > and tried the install again with the same result.
> >
> > At the same place? If so, I'd tend to suspect memory rather than cpu.
>
> No it did not stop at the same place. I still suspect memory versus
> the cpu, especially considering that, apparently, there were several
> generations of the K6. I didn't know this. For several years, I did
> not have the time or money to play with hardware and therefore lost
> touch with much of the hardware that was out there.
Andy, you're making me remember stuff I thought I'd about done with :)
> > > I'm wondering if it could be hardware, specifically memory. I've
> > > never seen a FreeBSD, OpenBSD or Linux (for that matter) hard hang on
> > > program compilation apart from hardware problems. Also of particular
> > [..]
> > > System configuration is as follows:
> > >
> > > AMD K6 700mHz
> > > 256mb RAM (PC 133)
> > > 13gb HDD
> >
> > 700MHz? Please show us the line from your /var/run/dmesg.boot showing
> > the exact cpu and clock. This will also indicate features & stepping
I'm still curious ..
> > That's a K6-2, though it doesn't say so there. From memory, the fastest
> > ever K6-2 was ~550MHz, but people did tend to wildly overclock them ..
525MHz, on reflection. I built a box for a friend on a budget and went
for the 450, which another friend had managed to screw up to about 600
with a huge heatsink and fan/s. These were Gigabyte mobos with 100MHz
FSB - I see you've been pointed to wikipedia re that - and PC133 RAM,
and both 'mine' are still rocking 8 years on, running standard spec ..
I'm still rather awed to hear 700MHz though, especially when you say:
> pretty sure this was never over clocked. It was the secretaries
> computer of the church I attend. I'm working on remaking the system
> into a web server as the secretary was just given a laptop.
You'll need to find out the motherboard make/model and google up its
manual to have any chance of resetting bus speed / clock divider and
such. There's another whole trip about setting the cpu core voltage
for different speeds; overclocking these beasts involved black magic to
which whole websites were/are fanatically dedicated, gamer folks mostly.
> > If you really are running it at 700MHz (at what bus speed setting?) then
> > I'd treat it to a new heat sink with fresh thermal paste and a BIG fan.
>
> Ok, sounds good. I'll see what I can find for this CPU.
Seeing you'll want to replace the no doubt well dried out thermal paste
anyway, K6-2s are clearly marked with notional speed and model numbers.
> > And sure it's best to run matched-speed memory. Your BIOS probably lets
> > you play with wait states and such, but the basic PCI bus speed might be
> > something weird if you've managed to crank the cpu up to 700MHz ..
>
> How do wait states relate to memory speed? Please enlighten me. I
> have an idea, but I'm only theorizing, I'd like to know what it really
> means. If it's more in depth than one would like to type in a
> response, sending a link is fine. I learned quite a bit on the "Sig
> 11" links given earlier.
This is drifting well past getting FreeBSD to behave under load on it,
but I googled "AMD K6 wait states" and got heaps of hits, including the
above. Basically, wait states delay the processor long enough to read
or write to comparatively slow memory devices; better to wait than burn.
You mentioned later trying some 100MHz memory, but you'll either need a
slower bus speed than 100MHz (or more / some wait states) for that, and
would be better off finding more PC133 RAM. Dumpster diving, anyone? :)
Cheers, Ian
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