spammers harvesting emaill address from this list
pauls at utdallas.edu
Thu Aug 23 16:00:21 PDT 2007
--On Thursday, August 23, 2007 22:37:53 +0100 dgmm <freebsd01 at dgmm.net>
>> Basically, what you (and others as well) are suggesting is that the list
>> maintainers do double the work so that you don't have to bother with spam
> How does this equate to double the work for the list maintainers? I've
> never operated a mailing list so I don't understand what work is
> involved in operating one or how that workload might be increased if
> some people post with one name while having the automated system mail
> out to a different, subscribed address
Most modern mailing list software tests addresses periodically,
automatically to make sure they are accepting mail. Some have suggested
"solving" the spam problem by using throwaway addresses to send email to
the list **even if the address doesn't work**. Now the maintainers have to
maintain a separate list of exemptions and configure separate options so
that those throwaway addresses aren't dropped from the list automatically
after the requisite number of bounces. And endure the endless bounce
notifications from hundreds of thoughtless people.
>> Seems rather self-centered to me.
> In what way?
You have a problem. You want someone else to help you solve it by creating
more work for them so that you'll have less work to do.
>> This is the internet. Spam is endemic.
> So rather than look for multiple methods to reduce the amount of incoming
> to *my* address I should just accept it all and filter it locally?
Absolutely. It isn't the responsibility of the rest of the world to solve
> That seems rather irresponsible to me, ANy method which can help stop it
> source appeaers on the face of it to be a better solution.
Of course it does, because it requires no work on your part. It's always
"better" if you can get someone else to expend energy on your behalf while
you sit back and reap the benefits. That's why unthinking people love
>> Short of encasing your computer in
>> concrete, there's no way to avoid getting spam **even if you never post
>> to a mailing list**. Either learn to deal with it or stop subscribing
>> to lists.
> I'm sure that attitude will appear welcoming to new users.
Gee, I'm sorry I hurt someone's feelings by suggesting they take
responsibility for their own problems. Let me get down on my knees and beg
I subscribe to more than 50 lists. You have no idea what a pleasure it is
to read, over and over again, about other people's problems with spam.
It's useless chatter that solves nothing and makes the list less valuable.
(And yes, you do enough of it, and I'll /dev/null your address and never
hear from you again.) If people took a few minutes to figure out how to
rid themselves of the spam, they'd accomplish more than all the endless
discussions about how to solve an unsolveable problem.
Paul Schmehl (pauls at utdallas.edu)
Senior Information Security Analyst
The University of Texas at Dallas
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