freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 174, Issue 4
Joshua Lewis
joshua.lewis at familyfunzone.net
Tue Apr 17 17:05:04 UTC 2007
I tried to access the login prompt through SSH, and Telnet. Neither
worked. The only way I know of to get to a login prompt is through
HTTP.
I am not a programmer and my scripting skills are non existent. If
anyone knows of some script out there on the net that can access a
webpage and run through a sequence of passwords. Then that would be
absolutely wonderful.
Mental note. It sucks to not have a phone. Don't work on phone system
while drinking.
Sincerely,
Joshua Lewis
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: PPP and resolv.conf (Daniel Marsh)
2. Re[2]: New kernel and jail (Vladimir)
3. Re: lost password caused by drunk admin (Ghirai)
4. Re: GUI to ports collection on FBSD? (Ivan Carey)
5. Re: PPP and resolv.conf (Ivan Carey)
6. Re: GUI to ports collection on FBSD? (Peter Ankerst?l)
7. Re: tproxy on freebsd (Chris Slothouber)
8. Re: GUI to ports collection on FBSD? (Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri)
9. Re: Re[2]: New kernel and jail (Oliver Peter)
10. PPP and resolv.conf (Richard Simmonds)
11. keeping all things up to date (Michael Grant)
12. Re: tproxy on freebsd (Chris Slothouber)
13. [Fwd: Re: I like Ubuntu] (Alex Zbyslaw)
14. Re: problems with Engelschall upgrade toolkit (Christoph Schug)
15. Re: keeping all things up to date (Chad Perrin)
16. Re: keeping all things up to date (Christian Walther)
17. Re[2]: Terabyte harddisks, GELI, AMD64, Samba and Zen...
(Solon Luigi Lutz)
18. Re: Terabyte harddisks, GELI, AMD64, Samba and Zen... (Ivan Voras)
19. Re[3]: Terabyte harddisks, GELI, AMD64, Samba and Zen...
(Solon Luigi Lutz)
20. error in find on daily output disk clean (Dave)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:05:31 +0800
From: "Daniel Marsh" <[5]jahilliya at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: PPP and resolv.conf
To: "Ansar Mohammed" <[6]ansarm at gmail.com>
Cc: [7]freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
Message-ID:
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On 4/17/07, Ansar Mohammed <[9]ansarm at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> How can I stop ppp from modifying my /etc/resolv.conf?
> Everytime I establish a pppoe session, my resolv.conf file gets
> reconfigured
> to my ISPs DNS Servers.
>
You could make resolv.conf to what you want it to be and then do: chflags
schg /etc/resolv.conf
That will stop anything from modifying it, if you're in securelevel 1 or
more you can't take schg off, you need to reboot into securelevel 0.
Other than that, check the ppp man page for an option...
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:51:41 +0400
From: Vladimir <[10]vladar at dcgroup.ru>
Subject: Re[2]: New kernel and jail
To: Oliver Peter <[11]hoschi at mouhaha.de>
Cc: [12]freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
Message-ID: <[13]186523460.20070417105141 at dcgroup.ru>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
OP> On Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 09:36:20AM +0400, Vladimir wrote:
>> Hi all.
OP> Hi Vladimir,
>> I have FreeBSD 5.4 installed. There is a working jail.
>> I am trying to rebuild a kernel to enable quota support. Therefore
>> i?ve added "options QUOTA" to config file (all other options
>> are from GENERIC). When booting with this new kernel jail does not
>> start. When i issue at the command prompt:
>> jail /opt/jails/www.myhost.ru/ [14]www.myhost.ru xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx /bin/sh
>> i get:
>> jail: jail: Invalid argument
>>
>> There is no messages in log files regarding jail.
>> After rebooting with old kernel everything is normal.
OP> I can not say much about your problem - but 5.4 is a little bit
OP> outdated. Is it possible for you to make an update to a newer
release?
OP> 6.2 would be a good deal.
OP> There are very cute rc-scripts to start/restart/stop your jail(s),
too.
No, it is not possible :(
Do i need to perform any actions with the jail when upgrading a kernel
or the jail must work without any changes?
Is there some sort of a Howto about this?
--
Regards,
Vladimir
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 09:58:19 +0300
From: Ghirai <[15]ghirai at ghirai.com>
Subject: Re: lost password caused by drunk admin
To: Lewis Joshua <[16]joshua.lewis at familyfunzone.net>,
<[17]freebsd-questions at freebsd.org>
Message-ID: <[18]1325085694.20070417095819 at ghirai.com>
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Hello Lewis,
Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 4:59:40 AM, you wrote:
> Hello FreeBSD List,
> Ok I made a huge mistake (insert laugh here because I know you will).
> I was working late at home and had more then a few drinks... A lot
> more. I was working with a PAP2-NA (Analog to VoIP adapter (ATA)) and
> I changed the password. The password that was programed into the unit
> from my service provider was a randomly generated password and I was
> messing with a lot of the settings and needed to keep logging in. So
> I changed it to make my life easier.
> So any way I changed the password and now it appears I didn't change
> the password to what I had thought I had. The password was a short 4
> digit number. Like I said I just wanted to make my life easier while
> I was messing around with it. Now I am locked out of the unit and
> TOTALY SOL. My phones don't work at the house because the think has
> been set incorrectly.
> I don't know how to crack passwords or even where to start. Is there
> some kind of script or application I can run on my FreeBSD system to
> try every combination of numbers from 0 - 9999.
> It is possible I may have fat fingered the number so it could be 6 or
> 7 digits instead of the 4 I intended. I don't know. I tried every
> variation I can think of and even got drunk again hoping to recreate
> the stupid mistake.
> I have totally messed that one up. I would have had to type it twice
> which just goes to show you should not work on your junk while drunk.
> Can anyone help me out? The unit has no reset buttons to reset it to
> defaults there is nothing online that I can find to bypass the unit.
> I did a port scan and it appears to only be listening on port 80. Any
> thoughts out there? Please.
> Thanks and I hope I made someone laugh with my mistake because I know
> all my friends are.
> Thanks.
How/over what protocol do you get to wherever it asks for the password?
--
Best regards,
Ghirai.
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:00:22 +1000
From: Ivan Carey <[19]ivan at careytech.com.au>
Subject: Re: GUI to ports collection on FBSD?
To: [20]youshi10 at u.washington.edu
Cc: [21]freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
Message-ID: <[22]46247086.9030601 at careytech.com.au>
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[23]youshi10 at u.washington.edu wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Apr 2007, Joe Vender wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> Is there a GUI interface to the FreeBSD
>> ports collection for use in kde similar to synaptic or adept?
>>
>> Joe Vender
>
> That's coming soon. I'd check out the FreeBSD SoC page; Andrew, the
> developer's listed at the top of the page:
> <[24]http://code.google.com/soc/freebsd/about.html>.
>
> -Garrett
>
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I mainly use PIB and there is kpackage and webmin
Ivan
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:03:51 +1000
From: Ivan Carey <[28]ivan at careytech.com.au>
Subject: Re: PPP and resolv.conf
To: Daniel Marsh <[29]jahilliya at gmail.com>
Cc: Ansar Mohammed <[30]ansarm at gmail.com>, [31]freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
Message-ID: <[32]46247157.7080006 at careytech.com.au>
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Daniel Marsh wrote:
> On 4/17/07, Ansar Mohammed <[33]ansarm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> How can I stop ppp from modifying my /etc/resolv.conf?
>> Everytime I establish a pppoe session, my resolv.conf file gets
>> reconfigured
>> to my ISPs DNS Servers.
>>
>
> You could make resolv.conf to what you want it to be and then do:
chflags
> schg /etc/resolv.conf
>
> That will stop anything from modifying it, if you're in securelevel
1 or
> more you can't take schg off, you need to reboot into securelevel 0.
>
> Other than that, check the ppp man page for an option...
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do you have enable dns in your ppp.conf file? I had the same thing and
commented the enable dns to resolve
Ivan
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 08:42:43 +0200
From: Peter Ankerst?l <[37]peter at pean.org>
Subject: Re: GUI to ports collection on FBSD?
To: [38]youshi10 at u.washington.edu
Cc: [39]freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
Message-ID: <[40]46246C63.3040008 at pean.org>
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[41]youshi10 at u.washington.edu wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Apr 2007, Joe Vender wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> Is there a GUI interface to the FreeBSD
>> ports collection for use in kde similar to synaptic or adept?
>>
>> Joe Vender
>
> That's coming soon. I'd check out the FreeBSD SoC page; Andrew, the
> developer's listed at the top of the page:
> <[42]http://code.google.com/soc/freebsd/about.html>.
But is this really a tool for the ports collection?
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 03:29:11 -0400
From: Chris Slothouber <[43]chris at hier7.com>
Subject: Re: tproxy on freebsd
To: zen <[44]zen at tk-pttuntex.com>
Cc: [45]FreeBSD-questions at FreeBSD.org
Message-ID: <[46]46247747.2080501 at hier7.com>
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zen wrote:
> hi,
> i know it seem out of topic,
> i recently build a proxy server to serve our small ISP,
> but i'm facing a big problem. as far as i know FreeBSD didn't support
> TPROXY like linux had.
> but i need to build this proxy transparently so only my client ips
that
> visible when browsing.
> i use ipnat and ipf with Squid latest stable release.
> does anyone has experience building a true transparent proxy with
FreeBSD?
> please share the knowledge and the regarding this problems.
Hello Zen,
Perhaps you might have some luck with the walkthrough listed here:
[47]http://tomclegg.net/squid-tproxy
I found this by searching Google for "TPROXY freebsd". I hope this
helps!
- Chris Slothouber
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:47:52 +0300
From: "Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri" <[48]almarrie at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: GUI to ports collection on FBSD?
To: [49]freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
Message-ID:
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Go for Kports.
[51]http://www.freshports.org/ports-mgmt/kports/
--
Regards,
-Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri
Arab Portal
[52]http://www.WeArab.Net/
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 09:54:56 +0200
From: Oliver Peter <[53]hoschi at mouhaha.de>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: New kernel and jail
To: Vladimir <[54]vladar at dcgroup.ru>
Cc: Oliver Peter <[55]hoschi at mouhaha.de>, [56]freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
Message-ID: <[57]20070417075455.GC73037 at nemesis.frida.mouhaha.de>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 10:51:41AM +0400, Vladimir wrote:
> OP> On Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 09:36:20AM +0400, Vladimir wrote:
> >> Hi all.
>
> OP> Hi Vladimir,
>
> >> I have FreeBSD 5.4 installed. There is a working jail.
> >> I am trying to rebuild a kernel to enable quota support. Therefore
> >> i?ve added "options QUOTA" to config file (all other options
> >> are from GENERIC). When booting with this new kernel jail does not
> >> start. When i issue at the command prompt:
> >> jail /opt/jails/www.myhost.ru/ [58]www.myhost.ru xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx /bin/sh
> >> i get:
> >> jail: jail: Invalid argument
> >>
> >> There is no messages in log files regarding jail.
> >> After rebooting with old kernel everything is normal.
>
> OP> I can not say much about your problem - but 5.4 is a little bit
> OP> outdated. Is it possible for you to make an update to a newer
release?
> OP> 6.2 would be a good deal.
> OP> There are very cute rc-scripts to start/restart/stop your
jail(s), too.
>
> No, it is not possible :(
>
> Do i need to perform any actions with the jail when upgrading a kernel
> or the jail must work without any changes?
I think it depends on the changes you made to your kernel.
Usually it works without any problems for me.
I have no jails right here to check out QUOTA and jail under
6.2-RELEASE-p3 but maybe anotherone can help us there.
PS: Why it is not possible for you to make an update? :)
--
Oliver PETER, email: [59]hoschi at mouhaha.de, ICQ# 113969174
"Worker bees can leave. Even drones can fly away. The Queen is their
slave."
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:48:25 +0800
From: "Richard Simmonds" <[61]yunikan at gmail.com>
Subject: PPP and resolv.conf
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>How can I stop ppp from modifying my /etc/resolv.conf?
>Everytime I establish a pppoe session, my resolv.conf file gets
reconfigured to my ISPs DNS Servers.
It's dhclient, not ppp that's modding the file. Adding this to your
dhclient.conf file will fix the problem
interface dc0 {
prepend domain-name-servers 192.168.0.10;
request subnet-mask, broadcast-address, routers, domain-name-servers;
}
you will need to change the interface name and provide the actual dns
server
address to match your configuration
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:12:31 +0200
From: "Michael Grant" <[64]mg-fbsd3 at grant.org>
Subject: keeping all things up to date
To: "FreeBSD Questions" <[65]freebsd-questions at freebsd.org>
Message-ID:
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Is there some sort of automated way to keep freebsd and all the
installed ports/packages up to date automatically?
I don't mean just the source, that part is easy. I mean something
that actually reinstalls the things ad needed, sort of like windows
update or the updater on ubuntu.
Michael Grant
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 04:22:08 -0400
From: Chris Slothouber <[67]chris at hier7.com>
Subject: Re: tproxy on freebsd
To: zen <[68]zen at tk-pttuntex.com>
Cc: [69]FreeBSD-questions at FreeBSD.org
Message-ID: <[70]462483B0.2000404 at hier7.com>
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zen wrote:
> Chris Slothouber wrote:
>
>> zen wrote:
>>
>>> hi,
>>> i know it seem out of topic,
>>> i recently build a proxy server to serve our small ISP,
>>> but i'm facing a big problem. as far as i know FreeBSD didn't
support
>>> TPROXY like linux had.
>>> but i need to build this proxy transparently so only my client ips
>>> that visible when browsing.
>>> i use ipnat and ipf with Squid latest stable release.
>>> does anyone has experience building a true transparent proxy with
>>> FreeBSD?
>>> please share the knowledge and the regarding this problems.
>>
>>
>> Hello Zen,
>>
>> Perhaps you might have some luck with the walkthrough listed here:
>>
>> [71]http://tomclegg.net/squid-tproxy
>>
> thanks Chris ,
> but it didnt solve my problem here,
> with that configuration still my proxy ip that visible.
If you send your kernel, firewall, and squid configuration files, I will
see what is happening.
- Chris
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 09:34:36 +0100
From: Alex Zbyslaw <[72]xfb52 at dial.pipex.com>
Subject: [Fwd: Re: I like Ubuntu]
To: freebsd-questions <[73]freebsd-questions at freebsd.org>
Message-ID: <[74]4624869C.7090309 at dial.pipex.com>
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Forwarded on behalf of Chad Perrin <[75]perrin at apotheon.com>:
On Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 10:29:43AM +0100, Alex Zbyslaw wrote:
> How does apt-get compare to something like yum/up2date on FC/RHEL?
I.e.
> is there something that makes apt-get better?
It uses a package format that requires more information about the
software (that's a good thing), it's faster, and the command line tools
provide more comprehensive functionality. The rest of the benefits of
using APT over using YUM that come to mind for me are related to the
fact that I've mostly used APT with Debian, and are distro-specific
benefits, not benefits of the package manager itself.
I haven't used up2date at all, so I really can't comment. I imagine it
is to YUM as aptitude is to APT. I prefer APT over aptitude and, based
on what I've heard about up2date from people who have used it, I gather
I'd prefer YUM over up2date. Aptitude seems to be designed to be more
"user friendly" than APT itself, and ultimately ends up just being a
reshuffled deck of defaults all tied together through a single command,
reducing the fine-tuned scriptability of APT. Some people like it, but
a couple years ago when the Debian maintainers were talking about
phasing out APT entirely in favor of aptitude, they apparently got
enough complaints that they reversed that decision. Now, you have both
APT and aptitude.
APT also has a few GUI front ends. From what I've seen, Synaptic seems
to be the most stable and complete, and it's pretty nice (as far as GUI
software managers are concerned). I hear there's a GUI front end to
up2date as well, but I don't know of anyone that actually uses (and
recommends) the thing.
>
> My main issue with all the RedHat OSes is that you are effectively
stuck
> with whatever version of packages was "combined" to make a particular
> release. So if the machine you have came with say postfix 2.0, your
> stuck with that for the lifetime of the OS. If you suddenly have a
need
> for 2.2, you can try using src rpms, but somehow they never seem to be
> available for your particular OS version, and whether the ones for a
> later OS version compile or not is hit-and-miss. Sure, it's dead easy
> to yum update say postfix 2.0 to postfix 2.0+some security fix, but
> that's just not enough for me.
The APT system allows "pinning", where you can set preferences to use
a given version of a package or to use a specific release branch's
version no matter what version number that is at any given time. At any
moment, there are at minimum four supported release branches of Debian.
Additionally, you can create your own packages or add third-party
archives to your sources.list file to allow you to select yet another
package version from outside the official release branches.
None of these options are quite as flexible as the FreeBSD ports system
for choosing specific software versions, and from what I've seen it
seems that the really mature binary package systems are more brittle, in
that deviation from expected use of provided packages can cause breakage
more easily than a source-based system like the FreeBSD ports tree.
(There. I'm on-topic again.)
>
> I resent having to upgrade the OS to get up-to-date packages that have
> no specific relationship to anything I understand as the OS. That's
> especially a problem for ISP-rented servers, where upgrading the OS
is a
> matter of having to get a new server, or taking your life in your
hands
> and trying a "yum" update of the OS. But even for a "desktop", it's
> just far more work than I believe should be required.
>
> FreeBSD ports/packages are not perfect, but at least I can update
> third-party software without upgrading the OS.
Debian Testing and Unstable release branches provide a smooth, gradual
upgrade path so that you don't need to do a complete system reinstall or
upgrade to get updated packages. Of course, your packages do still get
upgraded on their schedule, not on yours, but certain packages never
upgrade automatically -- like the kernel. You can upgrade your kernel
version easily, though, if you wish to do so (using an apt-get install
command). My understanding is that most of the Debian-derived distros
other than Debian itself have strayed from that policy, however, and to
get the benefits of the software versions shipped with the new OS
releases you are expected to upgrade the entire system. It's probably
easier to get around that with APT-based distributions, simply by adding
archives to your sources.list file and setting preferences appropriately
to pin specific packages to specific release versions, and gradually
pin more and more packages to whatever version you want, but that can
become quite a bit of work if that's how you want to handle it.
Hopefully that helps answer some of your questions. Overall, I find the
FreeBSD ports system to be more flexible, but an acceptable runner-up
for purposes of binary package-based OSes in my opinion is Debian.
--
CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ [76]http://ccd.apotheon.org ]
"A script is what you give the actors. A program
is what you give the audience." - Larry Wall
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:47:26 +0200
From: Christoph Schug <[77]chris+freebsd-questions at schug.net>
Subject: Re: problems with Engelschall upgrade toolkit
To: Charlie McElfresh <[78]cwmcelfresh at gmail.com>
Cc: [79]freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
Message-ID: <[80]20070417084726.GB17275 at voodoo.schug.net>
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On Mon, Apr 16, 2007, Charlie McElfresh wrote:
> >Have you tried to go with a clean /var/tmp/temproot by typing 'd' for
> >"delete"?
>
>
> Yes, I tried all the options, and they all failed. Here is the
output when
> I try d
>
> *** Deleting the old /var/tmp/temproot
>
> *** Creating the temporary root environment in /var/tmp/temproot
> *** /var/tmp/temproot ready for use
> *** Creating and populating directory structure in /var/tmp/temproot
>
> mtree -eU -f /usr/src/etc/mtree/BSD.root.dist -p /var/tmp/temproot/
> ./bin missing (created)
> ./boot missing (created)
[...]
> ./usr missing (created)
> ./var missing (created)
> mtree -eU -f /usr/src/etc/mtree/BSD.var.dist -p /var/tmp/temproot/var
> mtree: line 19: unknown group audit
> *** Error code 1
[...]
Your system is missing the audit group which has been added to FreeBSD
some time ago. Please proceed as I adviced in my first mail and run
'mergemaster -p' first. Then rebuild your system again as your current
build is very likely to be incomplete.
-cs
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 03:10:26 -0600
From: Chad Perrin <[81]perrin at apotheon.com>
Subject: Re: keeping all things up to date
To: Michael Grant <[82]mg-fbsd3 at grant.org>
Cc: FreeBSD Questions <[83]freebsd-questions at freebsd.org>
Message-ID: <[84]20070417091026.GA17020 at demeter.hydra>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 10:12:31AM +0200, Michael Grant wrote:
> Is there some sort of automated way to keep freebsd and all the
> installed ports/packages up to date automatically?
>
> I don't mean just the source, that part is easy. I mean something
> that actually reinstalls the things ad needed, sort of like windows
> update or the updater on ubuntu.
Have you used MS Windows much -- enough to notice that often a patch can
break something? Now imagine that Windows Update also has to handle a
bunch of third-party applications. Imagine that "a bunch" is roughly
equal to 15,000. Realize that, without direct control over the
development of all those additional applications, the chance of a patch
to any one of them causing more problems than it fixes is increased.
Of course, FreeBSD is managed in a much more sane fashion, but the
increased chance of problems does exist in such circumstances. There
are ways to try to minimize that, however. The one FreeBSD seems to
take, as a project, is to do the very best job possible fixing every
potential problem that comes up in a reasonable amount of time, and
telling us about the things that can't just be magically "fixed" that
quickly in the /usr/ports/UPDATING file.
That means, unfortunately, that you have to pay attention to what's
going on when updating software. Automating the process is likely to
cause problems by circumventing the last line of defense against system
instability -- you (and me and all the rest of us that actually use the
system). In other words, completely automating the process is probably
inadvisable.
On the other hand, the above is all assumption and conjecture on my
part, so any or all of it could easily be incorrect. If someone else
here disputes my guesstimation of the situation, (s)he is probably
right.
--
CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ [85]http://ccd.apotheon.org ]
"The measure of a man's real character is what he would do
if he knew he would never be found out." - Thomas McCauley
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 11:49:13 +0200
From: "Christian Walther" <[86]cptsalek at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: keeping all things up to date
To: "Chad Perrin" <[87]perrin at apotheon.com>
Cc: FreeBSD Questions <[88]freebsd-questions at freebsd.org>, Michael Grant
<[89]mg-fbsd3 at grant.org>
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On 17/04/07, Chad Perrin <[91]perrin at apotheon.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 10:12:31AM +0200, Michael Grant wrote:
> > Is there some sort of automated way to keep freebsd and all the
> > installed ports/packages up to date automatically?
> >
> > I don't mean just the source, that part is easy. I mean something
> > that actually reinstalls the things ad needed, sort of like windows
> > update or the updater on ubuntu.
>
> Have you used MS Windows much -- enough to notice that often a patch
can
> break something? Now imagine that Windows Update also has to handle a
> bunch of third-party applications. Imagine that "a bunch" is roughly
> equal to 15,000. Realize that, without direct control over the
> development of all those additional applications, the chance of a patch
> to any one of them causing more problems than it fixes is increased.
>
> Of course, FreeBSD is managed in a much more sane fashion, but the
> increased chance of problems does exist in such circumstances. There
> are ways to try to minimize that, however. The one FreeBSD seems to
> take, as a project, is to do the very best job possible fixing every
> potential problem that comes up in a reasonable amount of time, and
> telling us about the things that can't just be magically "fixed" that
> quickly in the /usr/ports/UPDATING file.
>
[...]
Just as an example that just came up recently: gettext was updated in
the ports tree, which required a rebuild of all ports that depend on
it. I missed reading /usr/ports/UPDATING before, so I didn't notice
this fact. I did an update on my girlfriends laptop which resulted in
several applications not being usable anymore. Imagine my face as I
had to explain to her why she was unable to use her machine for one
and a half day.
Another lesson learned...
That's why I agree to Chad: Doing automatic updates isn't advisable.
They might even come at the wrong time, e.g. when you need your system
resources. I'm thinking about monsters like OpenOffice, GNOME or KDE.
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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 11:54:18 +0200
From: Solon Luigi Lutz <[92]The-M at d-Scientist.de>
Subject: Re[2]: Terabyte harddisks, GELI, AMD64, Samba and Zen...
To: [93]FreeBSD-questions at FreeBSD.org
Message-ID: <[94]558853907.20070417115418 at d-Scientist.de>
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CS> Solon Luigi Lutz wrote:
>> after some troubleshooting and some hours of memory tests, it
>> finaly seems to be a hardware problem...
>> The machine is based on an ASUS M2N4-SLI (Nforce4) and since the
>> heat-sink on the north/southbridge is rather small and passive,
>> the chip seems to get too hot. I manufactured a massive one from
>> a IGBT heat-sink and since 20 hours the machine is doing ftp-transfers
>> without any reboots - I keep my fingers crossed...
CS> I have had similar reboot issues with this board, especially when
CS> sustaining high levels of i/o traffic. Active cooling for chipset
seems
CS> to help a lot.
CS> - Chris Slothouber
Cooling seems to be the point - 36 hours without reboots. Previously
you burn your fingers on the heat-sink, now it has surface temperature
of 28C.
As I havn't put any effort in that field; can you recommend a way of
monitoring the temperature? Healthd? Kernel option?
Solon
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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:16:04 +0200
From: Ivan Voras <[95]ivoras at fer.hr>
Subject: Re: Terabyte harddisks, GELI, AMD64, Samba and Zen...
To: [96]freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
Message-ID: <[97]f026pa$u0c$1 at sea.gmane.org>
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Solon Luigi Lutz wrote:
> Hi again,
>
> after some troubleshooting and some hours of memory tests, it
> finaly seems to be a hardware problem...
> The machine is based on an ASUS M2N4-SLI (Nforce4) and since the
> heat-sink on the north/southbridge is rather small and passive,
> the chip seems to get too hot. I manufactured a massive one from
> a IGBT heat-sink and since 20 hours the machine is doing ftp-transfers
> without any reboots - I keep my fingers crossed...
Glad you've solved it. Did memtest discover this particular problem for
you or did you have to diagnose it some other way?
> BTW a "fsck_ufs -y -f /dev/da0.eli" without sofupdates on this 10 TB
> volume takes only 3 hours to complete.
Is the file system mostly empty? (i.e. how many % of inodes have been
used - see "df -i")?
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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:51:39 +0200
From: Solon Luigi Lutz <[99]solon at pyro.de>
Subject: Re[3]: Terabyte harddisks, GELI, AMD64, Samba and Zen...
To: [100]freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
Message-ID: <[101]863001031.20070417125139 at pyro.de>
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Hello Ivan,
Tuesday, April 17, 2007, 12:16:04 PM, you wrote:
IV> Solon Luigi Lutz wrote:
>> Hi again,
>>
>> after some troubleshooting and some hours of memory tests, it
>> finaly seems to be a hardware problem...
>> The machine is based on an ASUS M2N4-SLI (Nforce4) and since the
>> heat-sink on the north/southbridge is rather small and passive,
>> the chip seems to get too hot. I manufactured a massive one from
>> a IGBT heat-sink and since 20 hours the machine is doing ftp-transfers
>> without any reboots - I keep my fingers crossed...
IV> Glad you've solved it. Did memtest discover this particular
problem for
IV> you or did you have to diagnose it some other way?
I burnt my fingers on the heat-sink of the nforce4
north/southbridge/mcp-chip and decided it was too hot ;-)
>> BTW a "fsck_ufs -y -f /dev/da0.eli" without sofupdates on this 10 TB
>> volume takes only 3 hours to complete.
IV> Is the file system mostly empty? (i.e. how many % of inodes have been
IV> used - see "df -i")?
Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity iused
ifree %iused Mounted on
/dev/da0.eli 10657598008 5464985376 4340004792 56% 139261
335877569 0% /mnt
Not very many inodes used.
But I rejoiced too early, just as I'm writing this e-mail I started a
python-script and my files were gone again partialy:
radium# cd /mnt/temporary/
radium# cfv *
[output deleted]
radium# ls -1 | wc -l
311
radium# cd
radium# umount /mnt
radium# mount /dev/da0.eli /mnt
radium# cd /mnt/temporary/
radium# ls -1 | wc -l
3887
AARGH!
And this seems to be rather random behaviour...
Solon
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 07:52:29 -0400
From: "Dave" <[102]dmehler26 at woh.rr.com>
Subject: error in find on daily output disk clean
To: <[103]freebsd-questions at freebsd.org>
Message-ID: <000d01c780e6$e0ac9a70$0200a8c0 at satellite>
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reply-type=original
Hello,
One of my periodic.conf checks is running the daily disk cleaner.
When
it uses find it is looking in my jail area, which has device files and
other
virtual items that are not existing. I am getting output from find in
the
output to that effect. I'd like to tell find in that script not to
look in
my jail area, to exclude it.
Thanks.
Dave.
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