and the winner is...

[Chris St Denis]

a. I am hoping to see this fixed in 6.x
b. This I agree with. As a desktop client FreeBSD still needs work. 
c. sysutils/portaudit

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[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions at freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Scott W
Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 11:49 AM
To: mcarugno at gmail.com
Cc: freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
Subject: Re: and the winner is...

Mario Carugno wrote:
> I there, i was trying freebsd for a while, and comparing it against 
> debian/linux.
> The winner was Debian by far... Freebsd could be stable, but it is not 
> faster... and Debian is far much more 'usable'.
>  Freebsd package installation is very laborious compared with Debian's apt

> system. I have to search in each CD, know dependences,...
>  X configuration is hard too when the autodetected configuration doesn't 
> works...
>  I think fbsd is good, but needs some user facilities.
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Lame.  Care to actually _back up_ your statement with something substantial?

cvsup and ports is the best package management system I've seen yet in 
it generally 'just works right.'  That statement is made with 12 years 
of Linux experience, as well as Solaris and other *nixes.

For a server system, FreeBSD is really hard to beat.  The closest might 
be Gentoo, but their portage (based on BSD ports) system isn't as 
consistently stable as BSD ports (meaning things break more often).

As it's not a _great_ idea IMO to even have build tools (gcc and 
toolchain) on a production server, it's not a bad idea to have a 
seperate build host somewhere, but that applies equally to any system, 
and you also have the option to go with binary packages.

Let me know how the following goes for you with Deb or other Linux 
distro besides gentoo- install PHP or apache with _only_ the options 
that you want/need.  Oh right....you can't, without compiling from 
source, at which point you've lost your 'package management.'  Oops?

Read the Handbook, try to get enough of a clue to understand it, use it 
for a month, and then come back with a statement you can back up. 
Otherwise....piss off.

The only 'real' gripes I've got with FreeBSD are:
a.  thread performance - from what I've seen, still lags behind Linux 
(mysql benchmarks show this to be true at leat for 5-STABLE).

b.  desktop BSD 'out of box experience'- mixed, as BSD is primarily a 
server OS, but with 'roll your own' capabilities...oh, and there are now 
two 'desktop BSD' type projects.  So not really a gripe, but can see 
someone complaining about it a bit, if they don't find the Dekstop BSD 
project.

c.  security patch notification system (may exist now?).  Yes, you can 
get emails from the security ML, but now quite the same as for example, 
'smpatch analyze' on Solaris 9/10.  This could be argued that's 
_exactly_ what rel-STABLE is, however, so again, not a real issue, 
although a user friendly (for people using as a desktop OS) tool would 
be of benefit.

Geeze, compared to my gripes against Linux and *nix distros. these are 
really pretty damned trivial.  If thread performance comes up to par 
with Linux, FreeBSD has a very good chance of becoming my choice for 
'personal *nix' (ie, my primary workstation, laptops, etc) over Gentoo.

Scott
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