Demon license?

[Fabian Keil]

"Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm at toybox.placo.com> wrote:

> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
> >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions at freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Fabian Keil
> >Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 8:26 AM
> >To: freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
> >Subject: Re: Demon license?
> >
> >
> >"Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm at toybox.placo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Greg Lehey said:
> >>
> >> "I'm sure we would object if someone drew a 'devil' image and
> >> associated it with FreeBSD."
> >>
> >> Re-read this please.  "DEVIL" image?  What is that?  Devil in
> >> this context is a religious term.  So what Greg is really saying
> >> here is that "we" would object if someone drew a religious image
> >> and associated it with FreeBSD"
> >
> >You are quoting out of context.
> >
> >Greg wasn't referring to Beastie as devil, the person before him was.
> 
> That would be me, and no I was not as I've explained twice now.
> 
> >Greg was intentional "misunderstanding" that Beastie was meant with
> >devil. At least that's how I understood it.
> >
> 
> Greg doesen't generally post to that level of complexity.  What he is
> objecting to is pretty straightforward - Beastie isn't a devil.  Well
> the word "devil" is a religious term, so what Greg means is that
> "Beastie isn't a religious icon and anyone's use of the word 'devil'
> in conjunction with Beastie carries the incorrect connotation that
> Beastie is a religious icon"
> 
> If your disagreeing with that, then are you supporting the idea that
> Beastie looks like a devil AKA icon objectionable on religious grounds?

I think it's a reasonable idea, that a person not knowing BSD might
come to the conclusion, that Beastie is a small nice looking devil.

I guess I did it myself, but I don't remember.

Beastie looks cute, that's good enough for me. I couldn't care less,
if he's just looking like a devil or if he's supposed to be one.

> Because that is the converse of what Greg is saying.
> 
> Greg took my meaning as Beastie=devil, not  "devil-looking-image could be
> drawn and associated with FreeBSD by anyone"
> 
> I realize that the idea I was attempting to convey was more complex and
> deeper than a 2 second sound bite.  Please carefully reread the thread
> and
> I think you will understand it better.  When I used the word "devil" in
> the sentence I was meaning a graphical drawing of a red being with horns
> and a tail, and that should have been apparent.  I was not meaning the
> Catholic religious interpretation of the word "devil" meaning Satan.

I got that.

> It is a sad commentary on the power of the religious conservative
> movement that you can't even use the word "devil" to mean anything
> other than "Satan" in a sentence anymore.
> 
> Greg objects to the term "devil" in association with Beastie because
> he knows that too many stupid people cannot make this distinction
> anymore, and it's safer to simply not use the word "devil" anywhere
> near FreeBSD or Beastie so as to avoid these stupid people from
> claiming FreeBSD is a satanic operating system.

And this as well.
 
> I disagree with this because I will always choose to fight against
> ignorance rather than just accept it and make up some politically
> correct mealymouthed excuse.  Sure, some stupid people cannot be
> educated into understanding that the Beastie image isn't an image
> of a devil, because they believe that the only possible interpretation
> of the word "devil" is Satan.  I would rather work to educate them,
> like I'm working to educate you, that not all uses of "devil" are
> religious.  If you or they cannot accept this, then go to Hell. ;-)

I have no problem accepting it, however I think I can differentiate
between devil (the evil fallen angel) and devil (the outfit), even if
I didn't make this clear in the other mail.

What's more important, I wouldn't care I the core team decided
to use the first meaning. I'm not a big fan of political correctness myself.

Fabian
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http://www.fabiankeil.de/
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