I need a cuppa...

[Matthias Buelow]

Chuck Swiger wrote:

>> Even Apple doesn't show up in their radar... what do you expect.
> This is untrue.
> The Mac Runtime for Java is a high-priority environment for both Apple 

When I go to java.sun.com, I can download the jdk for: Linux, Windows, 
Solaris.  That's what I meant.

>> Java is as proprietary as it gets.  (Unfortunately many of us need it.)
> Nonsense.  While Java isn't OSI Open Source compliant, it's more open 
> than anything which *doesn't* come with the sources included.

Proprietary is proprietary.  Java is not standardized, Sun has an iron 
clutch on it (you can't name a reimplementation "Java[tm]"), and, in 
contrast to Sun's marketing spindoctors, it's a rather unportable 
environment (not the least due to Sun's licensing policy).  So what's 
"open" there?  The fact that you may download it without license fees 
for a selected few systems, and that they document their product?

mkb.