Out of the frying pan...

[John]

On Sat, Jan 15, 2005 at 11:35:49PM -0800, Joshua Tinnin wrote:
> On Saturday 15 January 2005 09:57 pm, John <john at starfire.mn.org> wrote:
> > On Sat, Jan 15, 2005 at 09:47:13PM -0800, Joshua Tinnin wrote:
> > > On Saturday 15 January 2005 07:23 pm, John <john at starfire.mn.org> 
> wrote:
> > > > Oh, and figure out WHAT is going on with Konqueror.  On some web
> > > > sites, it is just fine and dandy, but on other web sites, it just
> > > > is GLACIAL. I'm talking about MINUTES to render a page.  The CPU
> > > > isn't busy, there's no IO going on - I have NO IDEA what it is
> > > > waiting for. It's so bad, it stretches credibility.  Then, as I
> > > > said, on other web sites, it's just fine.  Sometimes is stops
> > > > with 94% loaded and just waits a couple minutes - sometimes it
> > > > pauses with like "12 out of 19 image loaded," and sometimes it
> > > > pauses just as soon as it resolves the new URL and connects to
> > > > the server. VERY odd.
> > >
> > > Well, it just told you what's happening. It's waiting to load some
> > > images and the page won't render until it happens. IIRC, this
> > > happens because of image tags without size parameters, though I'm
> > > not entirely
> >
> > Thanks for your response, Joshua!
> >
> > Well, your answer is very reasonable given the information I
> > supplied, but it is not what's happening.  I can have my Windoze
> > work-owned laptop next to it on the table, and it will load up
> > these pages in a snap.  Konqueror isn't getting any data - it sits
> > there with nothing happening - no data coming across the network.
> 
> You may have an issue with DNS. You should have DNS servers listed in 
> your /etc/resolv.conf, like this:
> 
> nameserver      888.888.888.888

Well, I have a local-caching DNS server running on my gateway/NAT/
firewall FreeBSD system.  DHCP is correctly populating /etc/resolv.conf
with the correct value.  SOME web sites work great, others show
this very bawky behaivor.  A Windows laptop running on the same
network referring to the same local DNS server has no such problem.
I can set them up side-by-side, and the results are deterministic
and predictable.

I've seen DNS problems cause some pretty bizarre behaviors, so I hate
to dismiss this out-of-hand, but I think these facts argue against
a DNS configuration issue, but I could easily be missing something.

> (the number is an example - you should use your ISP's nameserver or your 
> internal one, if you've set it up)

Using the internal one, as noted above, same as the Windows laptop
uses.

> Is this also an issue with other browsers or network software? If you 
> haven't done so already, you should try Firefox or Opera and see if 
> Konqueror is the problem.

Yes - I will load them up and try them.

> > > sure about that, but the upshot is that the browser doesn't know
> > > what the whole page will look like until an image downloads, as
> > > there are often page elements which depend on the placement of
> > > other elements to determine their own placement. However, AFAIK
> > > this is also considered a bug, because Konqueror doesn't handle
> > > this issue gracefully, so (again AFAIR) this is something that the
> > > KDE project is working to correct. I seem to remember something
> > > about this waiting until KDE version 4, however. I don't speak for
> > > them, so apologies if this isn't entirely correct.
> > >
> > > > So - now back to where things were before my fatal load of Win
> > > > 98. 1) Figure out Sound FreeBSD
> > > > 2) Figure out browers and Plugins for FreeBSD
> > > > 3) Try to get some of apm/acpi working
> > > > 4) Figure out WHY the system won't recognize (not even IDENTIFY)
> > > >    a CD in my laptop multi-bay
> > >
> > > Have you tried mount -t cd9660 /dev/acd0 /cdrom
> >
> > Oh, yeah - it's not in dmesgs.  4.x used to at least have an
> > atapi-slave ID timeout, but this doesn't even do that - the kernel
> > just pauses and goes on without any message.
> >
> > It's pretty bizarre - 4.x would boot and actually INSTALL from the
> > CD, but when you booted from the hard drive, I'd get the ID timeout
> > message.  5.x boots from the CD, but then can't even install from it.
> > I boot the CD, then eject it, bring it to another system, and
> > NFS mount it to complete the installation.  Kludgy, but it works.
> > OK when I'm at home with the other systems, but not much good
> > when I'm traveling with the laptop... ;)
> 
> That's strange. It appears to mount the CD and then unmount it, though 
> I'm not sure. Do you have the correct drivers for your CD?
> 
> > > You've probably been through that, but can't hurt to mention it.
> >
> > I appreciate thoroughness.
> >
> > > BTW, most of this stuff is covered extensively in the handbook, but
> > > unfortunately I've never had much luck with ACPI, mostly due to my
> > > hardware.
> >
> > Yup - I was just making a little "to do" list, in case anyone had
> > any caveats to yell out.  I've already heard from the folks on
> > the ACPI list - I have some "to do's" to try.
> 
> Good luck. There be dragons.

Yeah...  you got that right!
-- 

John Lind
john at starfire.MN.ORG