Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!

[Eric Kjeldergaard]

On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:09:47 +0100, Anthony Atkielski
<atkielski.anthony at wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> Eric Kjeldergaard writes:
> 
> > The logo can be seen on the website www.freeBSD.org.  it is in fact a
> > relatively (from a printing perspective) high-resolution image of our
> > daemon, holding a pitchfork on his left side.  He is slightly facing
> > forward, though looks off somewhat to the right.  I know, "He's a
> > mascot, not a daemon"...but that's not entirely true (not true at
> > all?).
> 
> Tell you what:  Go out and find out how much it would cost to print
> 10,000 copies of that "logo" on paper, exactly as it appears on the
> site, in crisp detail and bright colors.  Then you'll see why a separate
> logo is required.
> 
> > A name, symbol, or trademark designed for easy and definite
> > recognition, especially one borne on a single printing plate or piece
> > of type.
> 
> Yes, a _single printing plate_ or a _piece of type_.  The image you
> reference doesn't even come close to that.
> 
> > These are definitely vague enough to not disqualify an image of our
> > daemon on technical merit.
> 
> It's precisely this technical merit that causes the problem.  Beastie is
> too unsuitable for printing or for use in a wide range of media.
> 
> --
> Anthony

Very *cough* convenient cut job.  I certainly mentioned that the
freeBSD logo could use some simplification for ease of printing.  My
argument was simply that FreeBSD proper calls the beastie a logo, the
userbase calls it a logo, and the dictionary does not invalidate it as
a logo.  the word "especially" used in a definition means taht it is
not a requirement for fulfillment, just a trend in things fulfilling
that definition.  Further, dictionaries work by listing multiple
definitions, and the fulfillment of any of them would qualify the word
for acceptable use.  Perhaps you missed the following (dictionary.com)

  n : a company emblem or device

Perhaps "emblem" was troubling.  An emblem is defined as (again, dictionary.com)

  n 1: special design or visual object representing a quality, type,
group, etc. 2: a visible symbol representing an abstract idea

Since a "mascot" (which most/all are certainly saying the daemon is) is a 

  n : a person or animal that is adopted by a team or other group as a
symbolic figure

I should certainly think that a representation of a mascot, is a
visual object representing the group that the mascot also represented.
 And this is definitely an emblem of FreeBSD.

What's more important, from a linguistic perspective, is the usage
within the group in question.  The group in question is definitely
FreeBSD core team and the FreeBSD community.  These messages and
dozens like it show that the commonly understood usage of logo does
include images of our mascot, again, easily seen by looking at
logo_saver.

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