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Cy Schubert
Cy.Schubert at cschubert.com
Sat Nov 7 19:43:08 UTC 2020
This settles it. I'll start the migration this week. Expiry will be end of
year.
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Cheers,
Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert at cschubert.com>
FreeBSD UNIX: <cy at FreeBSD.org> Web: https://FreeBSD.org
NTP: <cy at nwtime.org> Web: https://nwtime.org
The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few.
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> Hi,
>
> I try to address all questions, points in a single e-mail...
>
> syslog-ng vs. rsyslog: yeah, rsyslog is the default syslog implementation i=
> n most Linux distributions. It has a historical reason: syslog-ng is open s=
> ource originally, but once the commercial variant was released a decade lat=
> er, developers needed to sign a CLA for a while, what Fedora and Debian did=
> not like. The CLA was quickly removed after I joined syslog-ng, but decisi=
> ons were already made by the distros. Based on user feedback from both camp=
> s: it's easier to put together a simple config in rsyslog, but once things =
> get complicated a syslog-ng configuration is easier to develop and maintain=
> . On the feature side they are more or less the same. What I see, that rsys=
> log is often used on the client side, while servers use syslog-ng. The two =
> largest syslog-ng platforms are RHEL/CentOS and FreeBSD.
>
> syslog-ngNN ports: changing it to a single sysutils/syslog-ng is OK with me=
> , depends on the demands of the FreeBSD community. On the Linux side I got =
> strong complaints even when I tried to delete five years old packages for R=
> HEL and SLES and for long EoL Fedora releases...
>
> @version: well, it's a mixed bag. Sometimes defaults change, features are r=
> emoved, etc. The version number here makes sure that syslog-ng knows for wh=
> ich version a configuration was originally prepared and can give warnings, =
> suggestions, based on this information. In some cases you can avoid a failu=
> re with this version number (I'm only aware of this on openSUSE, which used=
> an undocumented syntax that was removed). So, yes, it can be useful, but i=
> t can also be a PITA. In most cases it is safe to remove it. Or just leave =
> it alone, as starting with syslog-ng 3.26 (or 3.25) syslog-ng does not warn=
> about the version number any more, except when there is an incompatible ch=
> ange.
>
> Bye,
> CzP
>
> Peter Czanik (CzP) <peter.czanik at oneidentity.com>
> Balabit (a OneIdentity company) / syslog-ng upstream
> https://syslog-ng.com/community/
> https://twitter.com/PCzanik
>
> ________________________________
> From: Franco Fichtner <franco at lastsummer.de>
> Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2020 18:46
> To: Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert at cschubert.com>
> Cc: Peter Czanik (pczanik) <Peter.Czanik at oneidentity.com>; FreeBSD Ports <f=
> reebsd-ports at freebsd.org>
> Subject: Re:
>
> CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not fol=
> low guidance, click links, or open attachments unless you recognize the sen=
> der and know the content is safe.
>
>
> > On 7. Nov 2020, at 6:25 PM, Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert at cschubert.com> wrote=
> :
> >
> > That's not needed. The proposal is to replace the syslog-ng port with the
> > contents of syslog-ng329 and deprecate the others. Those using
> > sysutils/syslog-ng will see no change. Those using older versions will ne=
> ed
> > to replace syslog-ngNN with simply syslog-ng.
>
> Actually I was referring to this:
>
> https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fgithub.=
> com%2Ffreebsd%2Ffreebsd-ports%2Fblob%2Fmaster%2Fsysutils%2Fsyslog-ng329%2Ff=
> iles%2Fsyslog-ng.conf.sample%23L1&data=3D04%7C01%7CPeter.Czanik%40oneid=
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> e2mELjvjsuiFoCGlhQ0izfDKLkYlNfFOtOTnGU%3D&reserved=3D0
>
> Also a question for Peter.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Franco
>
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> Hi,</div>
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> <br>
> </div>
> <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size=
> : 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
> I try to address all questions, points in a single e-mail...</div>
> <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size=
> : 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
> <br>
> </div>
> <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size=
> : 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
> syslog-ng vs. rsyslog: yeah, rsyslog is the default syslog implementation i=
> n most Linux distributions. It has a historical reason: syslog-ng is open s=
> ource originally, but once the commercial variant was released a decade lat=
> er, developers needed to sign a
> CLA for a while, what Fedora and Debian did not like. The CLA was quickly =
> removed after I joined syslog-ng, but decisions were already made by the di=
> stros. Based on user feedback from both camps: it's easier to put together =
> a simple config in rsyslog, but
> once things get complicated a syslog-ng configuration is easier to develop=
> and maintain. On the feature side they are more or less the same. What I s=
> ee, that rsyslog is often used on the client side, while servers use syslog=
> -ng. The two largest syslog-ng platforms
> are RHEL/CentOS and FreeBSD.<br>
> </div>
> <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size=
> : 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
> <br>
> </div>
> <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size=
> : 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
> syslog-ngNN ports: changing it to a single sysutils/syslog-ng is OK with me=
> , depends on the demands of the FreeBSD community. On the Linux side I got =
> strong complaints even when I tried to delete five years old packages for R=
> HEL and SLES and for long EoL Fedora
> releases...<br>
> </div>
> <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size=
> : 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
> <br>
> </div>
> <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size=
> : 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
> @version: well, it's a mixed bag. Sometimes defaults change, features are r=
> emoved, etc. The version number here makes sure that syslog-ng knows for wh=
> ich version a configuration was originally prepared and can give warnings, =
> suggestions, based on this information.
> In some cases you can avoid a failure with this version number (I'm only a=
> ware of this on openSUSE, which used an undocumented syntax that was remove=
> d). So, yes, it can be useful, but it can also be a PITA. In most cases it =
> is safe to remove it. Or just leave
> it alone, as starting with syslog-ng 3.26 (or 3.25) syslog-ng does not war=
> n about the version number any more, except when there is an incompatible c=
> hange.<br>
> </div>
> <div>
> <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size=
> : 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
> <br>
> </div>
> <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size=
> : 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
> Bye,</div>
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> : 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
> CzP<br>
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> <div>
> <div dir=3D"ltr">Peter Czanik (CzP) <peter.czanik at oneidentity.com><br=
> >
> Balabit (a OneIdentity company) / syslog-ng upstream<br>
> <a href=3D"https://syslog-ng.com/community/" target=3D"_blank">https://sysl=
> og-ng.com/<wbr>community/</a><br>
> <a href=3D"https://twitter.com/PCzanik" target=3D"_blank">https://twitter.c=
> om/PCzanik</a></div>
> </div>
> </div>
> <br>
> </div>
> </div>
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> yle=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Franco Fichtner <f=
> ranco at lastsummer.de><br>
> <b>Sent:</b> Saturday, November 7, 2020 18:46<br>
> <b>To:</b> Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert at cschubert.com><br>
> <b>Cc:</b> Peter Czanik (pczanik) <Peter.Czanik at oneidentity.com>; Fre=
> eBSD Ports <freebsd-ports at freebsd.org><br>
> <b>Subject:</b> Re: </font>
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> <br>
> > On 7. Nov 2020, at 6:25 PM, Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert at cschubert.com&=
> gt; wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > That's not needed. The proposal is to replace the syslog-ng port with =
> the<br>
> > contents of syslog-ng329 and deprecate the others. Those using<br>
> > sysutils/syslog-ng will see no change. Those using older versions will=
> need<br>
> > to replace syslog-ngNN with simply syslog-ng.<br>
> <br>
> Actually I was referring to this:<br>
> <br>
> <a href=3D"https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2=
> F%2Fgithub.com%2Ffreebsd%2Ffreebsd-ports%2Fblob%2Fmaster%2Fsysutils%2Fsyslo=
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> =3D0</a><br>
> <br>
> Also a question for Peter.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Cheers,<br>
> Franco<br>
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