portmaster, portupgrade, etc

[Baptiste Daroussin]

On Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 10:08:54PM +0000, Baho Utot wrote:
> 
> 
> On 10/05/17 16:27, Grzegorz Junka wrote:
> > 
> > On 05/10/2017 19:54, Baho Utot wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 10/04/17 16:39, Ernie Luzar wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Here's my take on that.
> > > > 
> > > > The future direction has already been decided by the FreeBSD
> > > > leaders 2 years ago with their development of a better pkg
> > > > system.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > [putolin]
> > > 
> > > > Don't let the few old school die hearts who are afraid of any
> > > > change and make the most noise influence you. There will always
> > > > be edge case user who think their needs out weight what is best
> > > > for the group.
> > > 
> > > So what you are really saying is Go to hell old farts we don't need
> > > you here.  We are not going to listen to you as you are too old to
> > > know anything.  You are old and stupid.
> > > 
> > > It is looking like I will need to move away from FreeBSD if that is
> > > really what is being accomplished here.
> > 
> > But do those old farts have anything interesting to say or they are just
> > making noise? What's the alternative to the proposed direction?
> > 
> > GrzegorzJ
> 
> Everyone should be heard.  who knows if the direction would be the same?
> 
> You won't hear from this old fart as every time I have had a question or
> input on direction All I got was grief.
> 
> The last time was about pkgng.  As someone that moved from LFS/building my
> own distribution to FreeBSD, and adding a package manager and tools for LFS.
> I think I may have learned something in that process.  SO what did you folks
> do, Well I was just bitch slapped down.  So much for user input.  Hell pkgng
> can not even merge configurations file in /etc when is that going to be
> fixed.
It can... and for a while, the fact it is not used in packaging base is another
subject, but the tool can definitly do it.

[...]
> 
> Anyway it looks like I will be moving to OpenBSD or just go back to rolling
> my own as I have more free time to pursue building systems that work for me.
> FreeBSD just doesn't look like it will be a fit for me in the future.

Have you figured out that OpenBSD is a step further in the direction you are
rejecting: They have FLAVORS for decades and they do strongly recommend users to
use binary packages in the first place... Just sating...

Bapt
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