pkgng 1.0 release schedule, and HEAD switch to pkgng by default schedule

[Warner Losh]

On Aug 21, 2012, at 1:51 PM, Doug Barton wrote:

> On 8/21/2012 12:42 PM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:38:04PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
>>> On 8/21/2012 12:05 PM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
>>>> 1/ if it fits the schedule: get rid of pkg_* tools in current
>>>> to be able to have a fully pkgng only 10-RELEASE
>>> 
>>> I think it would fit better with historic precedents to make pkg 
>>> optional (but default on) in 10, and mandatory in 11. As stated 
>>> before, I'm fine with removing pkg_* tools from 10 if there is
>>> robust support for them in the ports tree.
>>> 
>>> I know you're excited about this project, but let's not lose
>>> sight of how big a change this is, and how important ports are to
>>> the project.
>>> 
>> That was what "if it fits the schedule" was about.
> 
> I think what I'm trying to say, ever so politely, is that what you're
> suggesting isn't even an option, so it shouldn't be discussed.

If you are fine with removing them if there's robust support, how can you also be suggesting that it is impossible and shouldn't be talked about?

Personally, I think we should handle this the same way that other replacement tools have been done, which is close to what Baptiste has proposed.  If the new tools are totally awesome, we have replaced old tools.  If the new tools are good, but don't cover the older users, we develop along size.  If they are lame, but somehow get committed anyway, we take 18 years to replace them with bsdinstall.

Warner