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We have over 27,000 properties on our site and have been named in the Top Ten Villa Rental Companies category in the 2008 Conde Nast Travel Awards. http://www.ownersdirect.co.uk (C) Owners Direct Holiday Rentals Ltd 1997 - 2009 The Owners Direct newsletter is only sent to subscribers and is never sent unsolicited. If you no longer wish to receive our newsletters then please unsubscribe here: http://us.webinquiry.net/?cc=ODHR&rcpt=E1d3gngzxtw7hpa78lklzqq53kdwqrr5ma65fcij67lnwr75ewl7xgb8wloe&jobid={D30E4A28-2D34-480C-A8F0-D6B39B02CE23} or by mail to: Owners Direct Holiday Rentals Ltd, 58 The Street, Ashtead, Surrey KT21 1AW, UK. From royanwes at yahoo.com Tue Jan 6 19:43:50 2009 From: royanwes at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ra=FAl_Oyanedel_Westermeyer?=) Date: Tue Jan 6 19:43:57 2009 Subject: Installing FreeBSD 7.1 on Presario v2000 laptop Message-ID: <883891.63947.qm@web90507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi. I've join this mailing list to obtain some help for installing FreeBSD on my laptop, a Compaq Presario V2000 series, model v2615LA. I have the FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE DVD and I boot it without problem. However, when I try to install it, it halts on "Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec", and de CD/DVD drive stop to read the disc. I've tried with acpi disable option, and safe mode too, with the same result. I?ve also tried to manually disable acpi, with 'unset acpi_load' in the promt, but nothing. Any idea? I've added a hardware list on a text file attached to this mail for more info. Thanks, Ra?l. ?Felices Fiestas! Enviale una tarjeta electronica gratis a tu familia y amigos y deseales felices fiestas. http://yahoomorado.com/tarjetas/ -------------- next part -------------- Ordenador: Tipo de ordenador Monoprocesador ACPI de PC (Mobile) Sistema operativo Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack del Sistema Operativo Service Pack 3 Internet Explorer 7.0.5730.13 (IE 7.0) DirectX 4.09.00.0904 (DirectX 9.0c) Nombre del sistema nobbu Nombre de usuario Administrador Nombre de dominio nobbu Fecha / Hora 2009-01-06 / 12:13 Placa base: Tipo de procesador Mobile AMD Sempron LV, 1800 MHz (9 x 200) 3000+ Nombre de la Placa Base Hewlett-Packard Presario V2000 (EW997LA#ABM) Chipset de la Placa Base ATI Radeon Xpress 200M, AMD Hammer Memoria del Sistema 704 MB (PC2700 DDR SDRAM) DIMM1: Samsung M4 70L6524CU0-CB3 512 MB PC2700 DDR SDRAM (2.5-3-3-7 @ 166 MHz) (2.0-3-3-6 @ 133 MHz) DIMM2: ProMos/Mosel Vitelic V826632B24SCIW-C0 256 MB PC2700 DDR SDRAM (2.5-3-3-7 @ 166 MHz) (2.0-3-3-6 @ 133 MHz) Tipo de BIOS Phoenix (01/20/07) Monitor: Tarjeta gr?fica ATI MOBILITY RADEON XPRESS 200 (64 MB) Tarjeta gr?fica ATI MOBILITY RADEON XPRESS 200 (64 MB) Acelerador 3D ATI Radeon Xpress 200M (RS480M) Monitor Generic Television Multimedia: Tarjeta de sonido Conexant Cx20468 @ ATI SB400 - AC'97 Audio Controller Almacenamiento: Controlador IDE ATI IDE Controller Storage Controller AUXK13JG IDE Controller Disco duro ST9402112A (40 GB, 5400 RPM, Ultra-ATA/100) Lector ?ptico ER5137L IRM033U SCSI CdRom Device Lector ?ptico MATSHITA UJDA770 DVD/CDRW (DVD:8x, CD:24x/24x/24x DVD-ROM/CD-RW) Estado de los discos duros SMART OK Particiones: C: (NTFS) 10244 MB (3490 MB libre) D: (NTFS) 21697 MB (9592 MB libre) Tama?o total 31.2 GB (12.8 GB libre) Dispositivos de entrada: Teclado Teclado est?ndar de 101/102 teclas o Microsoft Natural PS/2 Keyboard Rat?n Mouse compatible con HID Rat?n Mouse compatible PS/2 Red: Direcci?n IP principal 190.160.100.169 Direcci?n MAC principal 00-4F-66-00-4E-87 (user-defined) Tarjeta de Red AirLive WL-5480USB WLAN USB (190.160.100.169) Modem AC97 Data Fax SoftModem with SmartCP Dispositivos: Impresora hp deskjet 3500 series Impresora Microsoft XPS Document Writer Impresora Solid PDF Tools Controlador USB1 ATI SB400 - USB Controller Controlador USB1 ATI SB400 - USB Controller Controlador USB2 ATI SB400 - USB 2.0 Controller Dispositivos USB AirLive WL-5480USB WLAN USB Dispositivos USB Compatibilidad con impresoras USB Dispositivos USB Concentrador USB gen?rico Dispositivos USB Dispositivo de interfaz humana USB Bater?a Adaptador de CA de Microsoft Bater?a Bater?a con m?todo de control compatible con ACPI de Microsoft DMI: DMI Distribuidor de la BIOS Hewlett-Packard DMI Versi?n de la BIOS F.52 DMI Fabricante del Sistema Hewlett-Packard DMI Nombre del Sistema Presario V2000 (EW997LA#ABM) DMI Versi?n del sistema Rev 1 DMI N?mero de serie del Sistema CNF61800NL DMI UUID del Sistema E0C3E7BB-9DB6DA11-8E430016-364733D3 DMI Fabricante de la Placa Base Quanta DMI Nombre de la Placa Base 3097 DMI Versi?n de la Placa Base 47.13 DMI N?mero de serie de la Placa Base None DMI Fabricante del chasis Quanta DMI Versi?n del chasis N/A DMI N?mero de serie del chasis None DMI Identificador del chasis DMI Tipo de chasis Notebook --------[ DMI ]--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [ BIOS ] Propiedades de la BIOS: Vendedor Hewlett-Packard Versi?n F.52 Fecha de salida 01/20/2007 Tama?o 512 KB Dispositivos de arranque Floppy Disk, Hard Disk, CD-ROM Funciones disponibles Flash BIOS, Shadow BIOS Standards soportados DMI, APM, ACPI, ESCD, PnP Posibilidades de expansi?n PCI, PCMCIA, USB [ Sistema ] Propiedades del Sistema: Fabricante Hewlett-Packard Producto Presario V2000 (EW997LA#ABM) Versi?n Rev 1 N?mero de serie CNF61800NL Identificador ?nico universal E0C3E7BB-9DB6DA11-8E430016-364733D3 Tipo de arranque Bot?n marcha/parada [ Placa base ] Propiedades de la Placa Base: Fabricante Quanta Producto 3097 Versi?n 47.13 N?mero de serie Ninguno [ Chasis ] Propiedades del chasis: Fabricante Quanta Versi?n N/A N?mero de serie Ninguno Tipo de chasis Notebook Estado del arranque Seguro Estado de la alimentaci?n Seguro Condiciones de temperatura Seguro Condiciones de seguridad Ninguno [ Procesadores / Mobile AMD Sempron(tm) Processor ] Propiedades del procesador: Fabricante AMD Versi?n Mobile AMD Sempron(tm) Processor Reloj externo 200 MHz Velocidad de reloj m?xima 1800 MHz Velocidad de reloj actual 1800 MHz Tipo Central Processor Voltaje 2.2 V Estado Activado Actualizar ZIF Identificaci?n del socket U23 [ Cach?s / L2 Cache ] Propiedades del cach?: Tipo Interna Estado Activado Modo de operaci?n Write-Back Tama?o m?ximo 1024 KB Tama?o instalado 128 KB Tipo de SRAM soportada Burst, Pipeline Burst Tipo de SRAM actual Synchronous Identificaci?n del socket Cach? L2 [ Perif?ricos de memoria / U5 ] Propiedades del dispositivo de memoria: Forma DIMM Tipo DRAM Tipo detallado Synchronous Tama?o 512 MB Tama?o total 32 bits Ancho de datos 32 bits Emplazamiento del dispositivo U5 N?mero del Banco Channel A0 [ Perif?ricos de memoria / U6 ] Propiedades del dispositivo de memoria: Forma DIMM Tipo DRAM Tipo detallado Synchronous Tama?o 256 MB Tama?o total 32 bits Ancho de datos 32 bits Emplazamiento del dispositivo U6 N?mero del Banco Channel A3 [ Slots del sistema / MiniPCI Slot J20 ] Propiedades del sistema de slot: Identificador del slot MiniPCI Slot J20 Tipo PCI Uso Vac?o Ancho del Bus de datos 32-bit Longitud Largo [ Dispositivos integrados / 64 ] Propiedades del dispositivo integrado: Descripci?n 64 Tipo Video Estado Activado --------[ Overclock ]--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Propiedades de la CPU: Tipo de procesador Mobile AMD Sempron LV 3000+ Alias de la CPU Palermo (Venice-128) Escalonamiento de la CPU DH-E6 (CPUID) Nombre de la CPU Mobile AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3000+ (CPUID) Revisi?n 00020FC2h Velocidad del CPU: Velocidad de reloj del procesador 1794.8 MHz (original: 1800 MHz) Multiplicador de la CPU 9x FSB de la CPU 199.4 MHz (original: 200 MHz) Reloj de HyperTransport 797.7 MHz Bus de la memoria 163.2 MHz DRAM:FSB Ratio CPU/11 Cach? del CPU: C?digo de cach? L1 64 KB (Parity) Datos de cach? L1 64 KB (ECC) Cach? L2 128 KB (On-Die, ECC, Full-Speed) Propiedades de la Placa Base: Identificaci?n de la Placa Base Nombre de la Placa Base Hewlett-Packard Presario V2000 (EW997LA#ABM) Propiedades del chipset: Chipset de la Placa Base ATI Radeon Xpress 200M, AMD Hammer Tiempos de Memoria 2.5-3-3-7 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) Command Rate (CR) 2T DIMM1: Samsung M4 70L6524CU0-CB3 512 MB PC2700 DDR SDRAM (2.5-3-3-7 @ 166 MHz) (2.0-3-3-6 @ 133 MHz) DIMM2: ProMos/Mosel Vitelic V826632B24SCIW-C0 256 MB PC2700 DDR SDRAM (2.5-3-3-7 @ 166 MHz) (2.0-3-3-6 @ 133 MHz) Propiedades de la BIOS: Fecha de la BIOS del sistema 01/20/07 Fecha de la BIOS de video 05/03/31 DMI Versi?n de la BIOS F.52 Propiedades del procesador gr?fico: Tarjeta gr?fica ATI Radeon Xpress 200M (RS480M) Chipset N?mero de c?digo RS480M (PCI 1002 / 5955, Rev 00) Velocidad de reloj 301 MHz (original: 300 MHz) From jw.hendy at gmail.com Tue Jan 6 20:31:12 2009 From: jw.hendy at gmail.com (John Hendy) Date: Tue Jan 6 20:31:18 2009 Subject: Installing FreeBSD 7.1 on Presario v2000 laptop In-Reply-To: <883891.63947.qm@web90507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <883891.63947.qm@web90507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I found this post to a mailing list for FreeBSD 6.0 on your laptop by googling for "FreeBSD Compaq Presario V2000". Hopefully it can help you out. The same 'timecounter' problem is referenced, so perhaps you'll be able to extract your solution (seemed to be recompiling the kernel) from the post? http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-mobile/2006-January/007715.html Best of luck! -John 2009/1/6 Ra?l Oyanedel Westermeyer > Hi. > > I've join this mailing list to obtain some help for installing FreeBSD on > my laptop, a Compaq Presario V2000 series, model v2615LA. I have the FreeBSD > 7.1-RELEASE DVD and I boot it without problem. However, when I try to > install it, it halts on "Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec", and de CD/DVD > drive stop to read the disc. I've tried with acpi disable option, and safe > mode too, with the same result. I?ve also tried to manually disable acpi, > with 'unset acpi_load' in the promt, but nothing. > > Any idea? > > I've added a hardware list on a text file attached to this mail for more > info. > > Thanks, > > Ra?l. > > > ?Felices Fiestas! Enviale una tarjeta electronica gratis a tu familia > y amigos y deseales felices fiestas. http://yahoomorado.com/tarjetas/ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mobile-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From ivakras1 at gmail.com Tue Jan 6 21:28:38 2009 From: ivakras1 at gmail.com (Dmitry Kolosov) Date: Tue Jan 6 21:28:45 2009 Subject: Installing FreeBSD 7.1 on Presario v2000 laptop In-Reply-To: References: <883891.63947.qm@web90507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200901070027.04601.ivakras1@gmail.com> On Tuesday 06 January 2009 23:03:52 John Hendy wrote: > I found this post to a mailing list for FreeBSD 6.0 on your laptop by > googling for "FreeBSD Compaq Presario V2000". Hopefully it can help you > out. The same 'timecounter' problem is referenced, so perhaps you'll be > able to extract your solution (seemed to be recompiling the kernel) from > the post? > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-mobile/2006-January/007715.html > > Best of luck! > > > -John > > 2009/1/6 Ra?l Oyanedel Westermeyer > > > Hi. > > > > I've join this mailing list to obtain some help for installing FreeBSD on > > my laptop, a Compaq Presario V2000 series, model v2615LA. I have the > > FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE DVD and I boot it without problem. However, when I > > try to install it, it halts on "Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec", and > > de CD/DVD drive stop to read the disc. I've tried with acpi disable > > option, and safe mode too, with the same result. I?ve also tried to > > manually disable acpi, with 'unset acpi_load' in the promt, but nothing. > > > > Any idea? > > > > I've added a hardware list on a text file attached to this mail for more > > info. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ra?l. > > > > > > ?Felices Fiestas! Enviale una tarjeta electronica gratis a tu > > familia y amigos y deseales felices fiestas. > > http://yahoomorado.com/tarjetas/ > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mobile-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mobile-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" While updating to 7.1 from 7.1-PRE i have that problem to. I have compiled non-GENERIC kernel, installed it, and rebooted in single user mode to mergemaster and install world. But boot process hangs in the same place("Timecounters.."). Then, i played with kernel directory at a boot time and loaded my old kernel. Then i commented out INCLUDE_CONFIG_FILE option and changed HZ=300 option to HZ=250 in kernel config and recompiled kernel. And it booted ok, updating runs smoothly, everybody happy now. Hope this helps you! From manny at computer.org Wed Jan 7 23:08:06 2009 From: manny at computer.org (Manuel Chaviano) Date: Wed Jan 7 23:08:13 2009 Subject: CPUTYPE="crusoe" Message-ID: <20090107173220.59c88ee2@computer.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Any clues on how to improve the speed or suggestion for optimizations on this laptop? It is Fujitsu Lifebook P2110 and I think it runs slower than it should. firefox3 takes around 40 seconds load the home page. I am afraid to install linux-flashpluginX, I do not think it will be able to handle it. Even Dillo (/usr/ports/www/dillo2) and Midori (/usr/ports/www/midori) seem slow handling some sites. By comparison, a Toshiba 3490ct (PIII 700Mhz, 256M RAM) fills a lot faster than the Fujitsu (860Mhz, 384M RAM). Both running same 7.1-PRERELEASE and WM/Session Manager: Windowmaker/WDM (lightweight). I was thinking that perhaps optimizing /etc/make.conf and /sys/i386/conf/MYKE could speed up this computer, but I have not been successful. I thought setting CPYTYPE="crusoe" ...then I was not sure that CPUTYPE="crusoe" is valid. According /etc/make.conf I cannot see that "crusoe" as one of the allowed types: (There is nothing for the Transmeta family at all, which is weird!) # # The CPUTYPE variable controls which processor should be targeted for # generated code. This controls processor-specific optimizations in # certain code (currently only OpenSSL) as well as modifying the value # of CFLAGS to contain the appropriate optimization directive to gcc. # The automatic setting of CFLAGS may be overridden using the # NO_CPU_CFLAGS variable below. # Currently the following CPU types are recognized: # Intel x86 architecture: # (AMD CPUs) opteron athlon64 athlon-mp athlon-xp athlon-4 # athlon-tbird athlon k8 k6-3 k6-2 k6 k5 # (Intel CPUs) core2 core nocona pentium4m pentium4 prescott # pentium3m pentium3 pentium-m pentium2 # pentiumpro pentium-mmx pentium i486 i386 # (Via CPUs) c3 c3-2 # Alpha/AXP architecture: ev67 ev6 pca56 ev56 ev5 ev45 ev4 # AMD64 architecture: opteron, athlon64, nocona, prescott, core2 # Intel ia64 architecture: itanium2, itanium # # (?= allows to buildworld for a different CPUTYPE.) # However, digging in /usr/src/share/mk/bsd.cpu.mk I can see at some point: . if ${CPUTYPE} == "crusoe" _CPUCFLAGS = -march=i686 -falign-functions=0 -falign-jumps=0 -falign-loops=0 Why i686?. dmesg says it is a 586-class CPU...? Is this a bug? ... and a little later on: if ${CPUTYPE} == "crusoe" _ICC_CPUCFLAGS = -tpp6 -xiM A section of the kernel source: #cpu I486_CPU cpu I586_CPU #cpu I686_CPU ident MYKE ... options CPU_ENABLE_LONGRUN :uname -a FreeBSD lifebook 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #0: Tue Dec 2 12:45:03 EST 2008 manny@lifebook:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MYKE i386 :dmesg Copyright (c) 1992-2008 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #0: Tue Dec 2 12:45:03 EST 2008 manny@lifebook:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MYKE Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: Transmeta(tm) Crusoe(tm) Processor TM5800 (859.34-MHz 586-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineTMx86" Id = 0x543 Stepping = 3 Features=0x80893f real memory = 385744896 (367 MB) avail memory = 367198208 (350 MB) Crusoe LongRun support enabled, current mode: 2 <867MHz 1300mV 100%> kbd1 at kbdmux0 acpi0: on motherboard acpi0: [ITHREAD] acpi0: Power Button (fixed) Timecounter "ACPI-safe" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 850 acpi_timer0: <24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0xff08-0xff0b on acpi0 acpi_ec0: port 0x62,0x66 on acpi0 pcib0: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci0: on pcib0 pci0: at device 0.1 (no driver attached) ohci0: mem 0xfc004000-0xfc004fff irq 3 at device 2.0 on pci0 ohci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] ohci0: [ITHREAD] usb0: OHCI version 1.0, legacy support usb0: on ohci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: on usb0 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered pcm0: port 0x1000-0x10ff mem 0xfc005000-0xfc005fff irq 7 at device 4.0 on pci0 pcm0: pcm0: [GIANT-LOCKED] pcm0: [ITHREAD] pci0: at device 6.0 (no driver attached) isab0: at device 7.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 pci0: at device 12.0 (no driver attached) atapci0: port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0x1800-0x180f at device 15.0 on pci0 atapci0: using PIO transfers above 137GB as workaround for 48bit DMA access bug, expect reduced performance ata0: on atapci0 ata0: [ITHREAD] ata1: on atapci0 ata1: [ITHREAD] iwi0: mem 0xfc006000-0xfc006fff irq 9 at device 18.0 on pci0 iwi0: Ethernet address: 00:16:6f:98:55:5f iwi0: [ITHREAD] pci0: at device 19.0 (no driver attached) vgapci0: port 0x1400-0x14ff mem 0xfd000000-0xfdffffff,0xfc007000-0xfc007fff irq 5 at device 20.0 on pci0 acpi_button0: on acpi0 acpi_acad0: on acpi0 battery0: on acpi0 battery1: on acpi0 acpi_lid0: on acpi0 atkbdc0: port 0x60,0x64 irq 1 on acpi0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] atkbd0: [ITHREAD] psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: [GIANT-LOCKED] psm0: [ITHREAD] psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0 acpi_fujitsu0: on acpi0 cpu0: on acpi0 acpi_throttle0: on cpu0 pmtimer0 on isa0 orm0: at iomem 0xc0000-0xcffff pnpid ORM0000 on isa0 sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 Timecounter "TSC" frequency 859336368 Hz quality 800 Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec ad0: 114473MB at ata0-master UDMA66 acd0: CDRW at ata1-master UDMA33 acd0: FAILURE - INQUIRY ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0x24 ascq=0x00 sks=0x40 0x00 0x01 acd0: FAILURE - INQUIRY ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0x24 ascq=0x00 sks=0x40 0x00 0x01 cd0 at ata1 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-0 device cd0: 33.000MB/s transfers cd0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a - -- L8R He is great who confers the most benefits. - -- Ralph Waldo Emerson __ /// Manuel Chaviano __ /// MMBB \\\/// \XX/ FreeBSD 7-STABLE -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkllLXoACgkQ9iHuTVjSDySnBwCdFh7ZLJ0ms7BfwQo6Yb+6M4hv 6yIAni/oi3TyFDpFPG9ACJVc1HGUo/ak =nw1N -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mistry.7 at osu.edu Thu Jan 8 01:23:21 2009 From: mistry.7 at osu.edu (Anish Mistry) Date: Thu Jan 8 01:23:28 2009 Subject: CPUTYPE="crusoe" In-Reply-To: <20090107173220.59c88ee2@computer.org> References: <20090107173220.59c88ee2@computer.org> Message-ID: <200901072014.58363.mistry.7@osu.edu> On Wednesday 07 January 2009, Manuel Chaviano wrote: > Any clues on how to improve the speed or suggestion for > optimizations on this laptop? It is Fujitsu Lifebook P2110 and I > think it runs slower than it should. No, it's just slow. I've got this exact system. -- Anish Mistry -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 195 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-mobile/attachments/20090108/b8643026/attachment.pgp From wroberts at securenym.net Thu Jan 8 03:15:37 2009 From: wroberts at securenym.net (Walt Roberts) Date: Thu Jan 8 03:15:43 2009 Subject: Installing FreeBSD 7.1 on Presario v2000 laptop In-Reply-To: <883891.63947.qm@web90507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <883891.63947.qm@web90507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200901080259.n082xtQ28540@anon.securenym.net> I have this system running 7.0-RELEASE. Here is the problem. When freebsd boots it does a device probe looking for serial and parallel io ports. These ports do not exist on the V2000 notebooks. They have been removed and replaced with USB and Firewire ports. When FreeBSD is booting it probes for these devices and subsequently hangs when they don't answer. I'm not an internals guy, so I don't know exactly where it hangs, and much as I wish I had time to dig through the code, I don't. There is an easy and straightforward work around. Boot into the boot loader. When the bootmenu comes up select the loader menu. I think this is number 6. You will get an OK prompt. At this point you can disable the device probes for the paralle port and the serial ports. Type SHOW to list the parameters. Then at the OK disable the probes by SET as follows: OK set hint.sio.0.disabled 1 OK set hint.sio.1.disabled 1 OK set hint.sio.2.disabled 1 OK set hint.sio.3.disabled 1 This will disable the probes for those devices. I also disable the parallel port for this notebook. OK set hint.ppc.0.disabled 1 OK At this point you can now boot the system with the boot command: OK boot The system should boot normally from this point on. Once you get an operating system, go to /boot/device.hints and place these flags in the device.hints file. The system should read this file and boot without using the boot loader. By the way, I have been using this system for about 4 years with FreeBSD and KDE with a split disk for those few commercial programs I must use with the Redmond OS. It has been a tremendous workhorse around the world. I never had to do this with the i386 incarnation, only the AMD64. A second problem is the ndis driver for the wireless card. You can't just build a new ndis driver around the Broadcom drivers. The original BCWL5.sys and .inf don't work on AMD64 builds. You must use the 64 bit versions of these. I think they started making them with VISTA, but I'm not sure. I somehow found a the BCMWL564.sys somewhere and rebuilt the ndis wrapper and it works fine. If you need more information on where I got the driver, I'll see if I can remember where it came from. Again, this was not a problem with the i368 kernel, only the AMD64. On the plus side, I think the system runs much better with the AMD64 kernel than the i368 kernel. On Tuesday 06 January 2009 07:17:08 pm Ra?l Oyanedel Westermeyer wrote: > Hi. > > I've join this mailing list to obtain some help for installing FreeBSD on > my laptop, a Compaq Presario V2000 series, model v2615LA. I have the > FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE DVD and I boot it without problem. However, when I try > to install it, it halts on "Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec", and de > CD/DVD drive stop to read the disc. I've tried with acpi disable option, > and safe mode too, with the same result. I?ve also tried to manually > disable acpi, with 'unset acpi_load' in the promt, but nothing. > > Any idea? > > I've added a hardware list on a text file attached to this mail for more > info. > > Thanks, > > Ra?l. > > > ?Felices Fiestas! Enviale una tarjeta electronica gratis a tu familia > y amigos y deseales felices fiestas. http://yahoomorado.com/tarjetas/ -- Walter A. Roberts, MD Karmanos Cancer Institute Gershinson Radiation Oncology Center 3990 John R Detroit Michigan 48201 From torfinn.ingolfsen at broadpark.no Thu Jan 8 21:05:17 2009 From: torfinn.ingolfsen at broadpark.no (Torfinn Ingolfsen) Date: Thu Jan 8 21:05:24 2009 Subject: Acer Aspire 5672 laptop and FreeBSD 7.1-stable Message-ID: <20090108210424.aaed6d57.torfinn.ingolfsen@broadpark.no> Hi, FreeBSD 7.1 has been released, time to upgrade the wicked, hard-to-get-working-with FreeBSD laptop again. The laptop in question is Acer's Aspire 5672 (the series is called Aspire 5670), which is a machine with Intel Core Duo (ie 32-bit) cpu, 2 GB RAM and a ATI Radeon X1600 gfx chip onboard. Now upgraded to FreeBSD 7.1-stable: tingo@kg-home$ uname -a FreeBSD kg-home.kg4.no 7.1-STABLE FreeBSD 7.1-STABLE #2: Thu Jan 8 19:30:11 CET 2009 root@kg-home.kg4.no:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 The problem is that drivers for the nic's (both wired and wireless) will not attach when acpi is enabled: bge0: irq 18 at device 0.0 on pci4 bge0: 0x10000 bytes of rid 0x10 res 3 failed (0, 0xffffffff). bge0: couldn't map memory device_attach: bge0 attach returned 6 wpi0: irq 17 at device 0.0 on pci3 wpi0: 0x1000 bytes of rid 0x10 res 3 failed (0, 0xffffffff). wpi0: could not allocate memory resource device_attach: wpi0 attach returned 6 When acpi is disabled, they attach and work fine: bge0: mem 0xc8300000-0xc830ffff irq 17 at device 0.0 on pci4 miibus0: on bge0 brgphy0: PHY 1 on miibus0 brgphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-FDX, auto bge0: Ethernet address: 00:16:36:54:a9:ae bge0: [ITHREAD] wpi0: mem 0xc8200000-0xc8200fff irq 17 at device 0.0 on pci3 wpi0: Ethernet address: 00:13:02:3e:d4:ce wpi0: [ITHREAD] wpi0: timeout resetting Tx ring 1 wpi0: timeout resetting Tx ring 3 wpi0: timeout resetting Tx ring 4 wpi0: link state changed to UP So why don't I just use the laptop with acpi disabled? Because it runs very hot, I fear that it will overheat. And thermal managment doesn't kick in / work correctly when acpi is disabled. :-( The laptop have the latest bios available from Acer. I have tried to look for updated DSDT's, bios modifications an whatnot, but haven't found anything working. FWIW, Xubuntu works without problems[2] on this very same laptop. There are dmesgs, acpidumps etc. on the pages I have made for this laptop. If anybody have hints on how to get acpi working on this laptop, I will be very happy. References: 1) http://tingox.googlepages.com/aceraspireas5672andfreebsd 2) http://tingox.googlepages.com/as5672_xubuntu -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen, Norway From mav at mavhome.dp.ua Fri Jan 9 09:49:36 2009 From: mav at mavhome.dp.ua (Alexander Motin) Date: Fri Jan 9 09:49:43 2009 Subject: Acer Aspire 5672 laptop and FreeBSD 7.1-stable In-Reply-To: <1231460584.00057727.1231449002@10.7.7.3> References: <1231460584.00057727.1231449002@10.7.7.3> Message-ID: <49670F9D.5000701@mavhome.dp.ua> Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: > FreeBSD 7.1 has been released, time to upgrade the wicked, > hard-to-get-working-with FreeBSD laptop again. > The laptop in question is Acer's Aspire 5672 (the series is called > Aspire 5670), which is a machine with Intel Core Duo (ie 32-bit) cpu, 2 GB > RAM and a ATI Radeon X1600 gfx chip onboard. Now upgraded to FreeBSD > 7.1-stable: > tingo@kg-home$ uname -a > FreeBSD kg-home.kg4.no 7.1-STABLE FreeBSD 7.1-STABLE #2: Thu Jan 8 > 19:30:11 CET 2009 root@kg-home.kg4.no:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC > i386 > > The problem is that drivers for the nic's (both wired and > wireless) will not attach when acpi is enabled: I have alike problem with my Acre TravelMate. On ACPI enable, PCI-Express bridges losing their resources allocation making device beyond them inaccessible. Linux able to reallocate that resources, while FreeBSD does not. I am personally now using patch found on some list which does it in a dirty hack fashion especially for my system. -- Alexander Motin From torfinn.ingolfsen at broadpark.no Fri Jan 9 18:48:22 2009 From: torfinn.ingolfsen at broadpark.no (Torfinn Ingolfsen) Date: Fri Jan 9 18:48:34 2009 Subject: Acer Aspire 5672 laptop and FreeBSD 7.1-stable In-Reply-To: <49670F9D.5000701@mavhome.dp.ua> References: <1231460584.00057727.1231449002@10.7.7.3> <49670F9D.5000701@mavhome.dp.ua> Message-ID: <20090109194819.0ac80afc.torfinn.ingolfsen@broadpark.no> On Fri, 09 Jan 2009 10:49:33 +0200 Alexander Motin wrote: > I have alike problem with my Acre TravelMate. On ACPI enable, > PCI-Express bridges losing their resources allocation making device > beyond them inaccessible. Linux able to reallocate that resources, > while FreeBSD does not. Interesting. Do you have links to more info? If Linux can do it, why can't we implement the same thing in FreeBSD? > I am personally now using patch found on some > list which does it in a dirty hack fashion especially for my system. Also interesting. Do you have a link to this patch? -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen From mav at FreeBSD.org Fri Jan 9 23:43:52 2009 From: mav at FreeBSD.org (Alexander Motin) Date: Fri Jan 9 23:43:58 2009 Subject: Acer Aspire 5672 laptop and FreeBSD 7.1-stable In-Reply-To: <1231539787.00058224.1231527005@10.7.7.3> References: <1231460584.00057727.1231449002@10.7.7.3> <1231507383.00057963.1231494615@10.7.7.3> <1231539787.00058224.1231527005@10.7.7.3> Message-ID: <4967D32B.8050400@FreeBSD.org> Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: > On Fri, 09 Jan 2009 10:49:33 +0200 > Alexander Motin wrote: > >> I have alike problem with my Acre TravelMate. On ACPI enable, >> PCI-Express bridges losing their resources allocation, making devices >> beyond them inaccessible. Linux able to reallocate that resources, >> while FreeBSD does not. > > Interesting. Do you have links to more info? http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/mid.cgi?4905E740.9060302 > If Linux can do it, why can't we implement the same thing in FreeBSD? Time? >> I am personally now using patch found on some >> list which does it in a dirty hack fashion especially for my system. > > Also interesting. Do you have a link to this patch? http://people.freebsd.org/~mav/tm6292_pcie.patch -- Alexander Motin From gnn at neville-neil.com Sat Jan 10 22:01:48 2009 From: gnn at neville-neil.com (George Neville-Neil) Date: Sat Jan 10 22:01:54 2009 Subject: X60 overheating with 7.1 Message-ID: <111DA6F0-24FF-417C-B37B-25780F7ECFF6@neville-neil.com> Hi, I just got a Thinkpad X60 and have installed 7.1 STABLE on it. Basically 7.1 and then updated to stable as of 10 Jan. I have one major problem and that is overheating. I cannot run even a long compile without the CPU going to 97C and shutting down. Trying to do something like a buildkernel with -j anything other than 1 also fails. I found this thread on stable@ http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2008-January/039452.html but have not found anything to address the problem. One change I did make was to switch from ULE to 4BSD, since the thread talked about going from 6.2, where 4BSD is the default, to 7.0. This did not have any appreciable effect. The only physical change to the machine was to go from a spinning HDD, to a Flash based SSD (Intel 80G). I don't think the flash drive is adding heat but perhaps the fact that I/O is now faster is leading to overheating? Thoughts or suggestions welcome. Best, George -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Trying to do something like a buildkernel with -j > anything other > than 1 also fails. > > I found this thread on stable@ > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2008-January/039452.html > > but have not found anything to address the problem. > > One change I did make was to switch from ULE to 4BSD, since the thread > talked > about going from 6.2, where 4BSD is the default, to 7.0. This did not > have any > appreciable effect. > > The only physical change to the machine was to go from a spinning HDD, > to a Flash > based SSD (Intel 80G). I don't think the flash drive is adding heat > but perhaps > the fact that I/O is now faster is leading to overheating? > > Thoughts or suggestions welcome. > > Best, > George > > Did you try using powerd and/or Cx states of your processor? There are several discussions about these things found at mobile@, stable@ and many other places. For example, this thread at FreeBSD forums: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=172 P.S. As I know from reading list discussions, some IBM Thinkpads really have problems with overheating. You may also read this thread, especially about your laptop model: http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/stable/2008-01/msg00100.html And here is how Josh Paetzel managed to get rid of overheating (using Lenovo T61): http://www.mail-archive.com/freebsd-stable@freebsd.org/msg96655.html Hope these links will help you. -- Ilya Bakulin xmpp://kibab612@jabber.ru -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Trying to do something like a buildkernel with -j >> anything other >> than 1 also fails. >> >> I found this thread on stable@ >> >> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2008-January/039452.html >> >> but have not found anything to address the problem. >> >> One change I did make was to switch from ULE to 4BSD, since the >> thread >> talked >> about going from 6.2, where 4BSD is the default, to 7.0. This did >> not >> have any >> appreciable effect. >> >> The only physical change to the machine was to go from a spinning >> HDD, >> to a Flash >> based SSD (Intel 80G). I don't think the flash drive is adding heat >> but perhaps >> the fact that I/O is now faster is leading to overheating? >> >> Thoughts or suggestions welcome. >> >> Best, >> George >> >> > Did you try using powerd and/or Cx states of your processor? > There are several discussions about these things found at mobile@, > stable@ and many other places. For example, this thread at FreeBSD > forums: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=172 > > P.S. As I know from reading list discussions, some IBM Thinkpads > really have problems with overheating. > You may also read this thread, especially about your laptop model: http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/stable/2008-01/msg00100.html > > And here is how Josh Paetzel managed to get rid of overheating > (using Lenovo T61): http://www.mail-archive.com/freebsd-stable@freebsd.org/msg96655.html > > Hope these links will help you. They did, but then I found what seems to be the original issue. Adding an 80G Intel SSD to the system was really the problem. Even though I couldn't detect any excess heat where the drive sits I thought to myself, "I wonder if a machine this small is finely tuned to every component?" So, I replace the SSD with a 5400 RPM Hitachi Travelstar (160G). Voila. Building enlightenment and doing a make -j 4 buildkernel brings the temperature only up to 71C at the very highest. It would seem that speed really does kill :-) Best, George -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I cannot run even a long compile without the CPU going >> to 97C >> and shutting down. Trying to do something like a buildkernel with -j >> anything other >> than 1 also fails. >> >> I found this thread on stable@ >> >> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2008-January/039452.html >> >> but have not found anything to address the problem. >> >> One change I did make was to switch from ULE to 4BSD, since the >> thread >> talked >> about going from 6.2, where 4BSD is the default, to 7.0. This did >> not >> have any >> appreciable effect. >> >> The only physical change to the machine was to go from a spinning >> HDD, >> to a Flash >> based SSD (Intel 80G). I don't think the flash drive is adding heat >> but perhaps >> the fact that I/O is now faster is leading to overheating? >> >> Thoughts or suggestions welcome. >> >> Best, >> George >> >> > Did you try using powerd and/or Cx states of your processor? > There are several discussions about these things found at mobile@, > stable@ and many other places. For example, this thread at FreeBSD > forums: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=172 > > P.S. As I know from reading list discussions, some IBM Thinkpads > really have problems with overheating. > You may also read this thread, especially about your laptop model: http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/stable/2008-01/msg00100.html > > And here is how Josh Paetzel managed to get rid of overheating > (using Lenovo T61): http://www.mail-archive.com/freebsd-stable@freebsd.org/msg96655.html > > Hope these links will help you. > -- > Ilya Bakulin > xmpp://kibab612@jabber.ru OK, scratch the last message. 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Please note that you can also reach me at: danielmark@gmx.com or FAX: +44 870 490 1653 From gnn at neville-neil.com Wed Jan 14 09:13:58 2009 From: gnn at neville-neil.com (George Neville-Neil) Date: Wed Jan 14 09:14:04 2009 Subject: X60 overheating with 7.1 In-Reply-To: <1231952766.1172.31.camel@RabbitsDen> References: <111DA6F0-24FF-417C-B37B-25780F7ECFF6@neville-neil.com> <1231952766.1172.31.camel@RabbitsDen> Message-ID: On Jan 14, 2009, at 12:06 , Alexandre Sunny Kovalenko wrote: >> > That thread forked and re-forked a few times under the different > subjects... > > Did you try setting > > hw.acpi.thermal.user_override=1 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._PSV=75C > > in /etc/sysctl.conf? > Yes, that is now set and it keeps the machine from overheating BUT the machine bounces around alot when doing any real work, like a build. So the heat gets up to 80 then the CPU goes down to 125, then the heat comes down etc. > If not, we can start by comparing machines and configurations. Mine is > X60 (1709-something) with 1.83GHz "Core Not-2 Duo" which is 32-bit > machine and I am running i386 version of -STABLE on it. I seem to > recall > that there are 64-bit capable X60 models out there as well and someone > was running amd64 flavor on it. What's yours? > I am running i386 as well and I think our machines are identical. I have been avoiding bringing it into the office (so I get $realwork done) but may bring it in this week to tinker while builds run. > Are you using powerd? > > I do: > powerd_enable="YES" > powerd_flags="-a adaptive -b adaptive -i 75 -r 65" > I have tried powerd but, at least emprically, it seemed to cause the bouncing heat/CPU speed issue to be worse, that is, higher peaks and troughs. > What is the output of sysctl hw.acpi.thermal under light/idle load? > > Mine is: > hw.acpi.thermal.min_runtime: 0 > hw.acpi.thermal.polling_rate: 10 > hw.acpi.thermal.user_override: 1 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature: 40.0C > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.active: -1 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.passive_cooling: 0 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.thermal_flags: 0 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._PSV: -1 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._HOT: -1 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._CRT: 127.0C > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._ACx: -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TC1: -1 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TC2: -1 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TSP: -1 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1.temperature: 40.0C > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1.active: -1 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1.passive_cooling: 1 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1.thermal_flags: 0 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._PSV: 75.0C > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._HOT: -1 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._CRT: 97.0C > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._ACx: -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._TC1: 5 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._TC2: 4 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._TSP: 600 > It NEVER gets down to 40 except when I turn it on. At idle the tz0 and tz1 are 60 and 62 respectively. > Are you loading acpi_ibm? If yes, what is the output of sysctl > dev.acpi_ibm ? > > Mine is: > dev.acpi_ibm.0.%desc: IBM ThinkPad ACPI Extras > dev.acpi_ibm.0.%driver: acpi_ibm > dev.acpi_ibm.0.%location: handle=\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.HKEY > dev.acpi_ibm.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=IBM0068 _UID=0 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.%parent: acpi0 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.initialmask: 2060 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.availmask: 16777215 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.events: 0 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.eventmask: 2060 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.hotkey: 2181 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.lcd_brightness: 0 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.volume: 10 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.mute: 0 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.thinklight: 0 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.bluetooth: 1 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.wlan: 1 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_speed: 2911 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_level: 0 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan: 1 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.thermal: 40 43 -1 40 31 -1 30 -1 > Mine is again hotter, 60 or so on the first thermal. > Are you setting Cx levels in rc.conf? > That I am not doing as yet. > What is the output of sysctl dev.cpu? > > Mine is: > dev.cpu.0.%desc: ACPI CPU > dev.cpu.0.%driver: cpu > dev.cpu.0.%location: handle=\_PR_.CPU0 > dev.cpu.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=none _UID=0 > dev.cpu.0.%parent: acpi0 > dev.cpu.0.temperature: 40 > dev.cpu.0.freq: 1166 > dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 1833/31000 1603/27125 1374/23250 1333/20000 > 1166/17500 1000/13000 875/11375 750/9750 625/8125 500/6500 375/4875 > 250/3250 125/1625 > dev.cpu.0.cx_supported: C1/1 C2/1 C3/17 > dev.cpu.0.cx_lowest: C2 > dev.cpu.0.cx_usage: 0.00% 100.00% 0.00% > dev.cpu.1.%desc: ACPI CPU > dev.cpu.1.%driver: cpu > dev.cpu.1.%location: handle=\_PR_.CPU1 > dev.cpu.1.%pnpinfo: _HID=none _UID=0 > dev.cpu.1.%parent: acpi0 > dev.cpu.1.temperature: 40 > dev.cpu.1.cx_supported: C1/1 C2/1 C3/17 > dev.cpu.1.cx_lowest: C3 > dev.cpu.1.cx_usage: 0.00% 99.99% 0.00% > I think I have one higher level, 2000/something at the start. I'll look tonight or tomorrow. > I might think of something else, but let's start with the stuff above. > Sounds good, I'll get real output tonight/tomorrow. > I guess, I should mention that I have a habit of emptying about a half > of the can of compressed air into the grille on the left of the > machine > every few months or so. I have read things like this on the net as well. I can try that when I bring the box in to work as well. Thanks, George From gaijin.k at gmail.com Wed Jan 14 09:34:45 2009 From: gaijin.k at gmail.com (Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko) Date: Wed Jan 14 09:34:52 2009 Subject: X60 overheating with 7.1 In-Reply-To: <111DA6F0-24FF-417C-B37B-25780F7ECFF6@neville-neil.com> References: <111DA6F0-24FF-417C-B37B-25780F7ECFF6@neville-neil.com> Message-ID: <1231952766.1172.31.camel@RabbitsDen> On Sun, 2009-01-11 at 00:37 -0500, George Neville-Neil wrote: > Hi, > > I just got a Thinkpad X60 and have installed 7.1 STABLE on it. > Basically 7.1 and > then updated to stable as of 10 Jan. I have one major problem and > that is > overheating. I cannot run even a long compile without the CPU going > to 97C > and shutting down. Trying to do something like a buildkernel with -j > anything other > than 1 also fails. > > I found this thread on stable@ > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2008-January/039452.html > > but have not found anything to address the problem. That thread forked and re-forked a few times under the different subjects... Did you try setting hw.acpi.thermal.user_override=1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._PSV=75C in /etc/sysctl.conf? If not, we can start by comparing machines and configurations. Mine is X60 (1709-something) with 1.83GHz "Core Not-2 Duo" which is 32-bit machine and I am running i386 version of -STABLE on it. I seem to recall that there are 64-bit capable X60 models out there as well and someone was running amd64 flavor on it. What's yours? Are you using powerd? I do: powerd_enable="YES" powerd_flags="-a adaptive -b adaptive -i 75 -r 65" What is the output of sysctl hw.acpi.thermal under light/idle load? Mine is: hw.acpi.thermal.min_runtime: 0 hw.acpi.thermal.polling_rate: 10 hw.acpi.thermal.user_override: 1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature: 40.0C hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.active: -1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.passive_cooling: 0 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.thermal_flags: 0 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._PSV: -1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._HOT: -1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._CRT: 127.0C hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._ACx: -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TC1: -1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TC2: -1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TSP: -1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz1.temperature: 40.0C hw.acpi.thermal.tz1.active: -1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz1.passive_cooling: 1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz1.thermal_flags: 0 hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._PSV: 75.0C hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._HOT: -1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._CRT: 97.0C hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._ACx: -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._TC1: 5 hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._TC2: 4 hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._TSP: 600 Are you loading acpi_ibm? If yes, what is the output of sysctl dev.acpi_ibm ? Mine is: dev.acpi_ibm.0.%desc: IBM ThinkPad ACPI Extras dev.acpi_ibm.0.%driver: acpi_ibm dev.acpi_ibm.0.%location: handle=\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.HKEY dev.acpi_ibm.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=IBM0068 _UID=0 dev.acpi_ibm.0.%parent: acpi0 dev.acpi_ibm.0.initialmask: 2060 dev.acpi_ibm.0.availmask: 16777215 dev.acpi_ibm.0.events: 0 dev.acpi_ibm.0.eventmask: 2060 dev.acpi_ibm.0.hotkey: 2181 dev.acpi_ibm.0.lcd_brightness: 0 dev.acpi_ibm.0.volume: 10 dev.acpi_ibm.0.mute: 0 dev.acpi_ibm.0.thinklight: 0 dev.acpi_ibm.0.bluetooth: 1 dev.acpi_ibm.0.wlan: 1 dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_speed: 2911 dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_level: 0 dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan: 1 dev.acpi_ibm.0.thermal: 40 43 -1 40 31 -1 30 -1 Are you setting Cx levels in rc.conf? What is the output of sysctl dev.cpu? Mine is: dev.cpu.0.%desc: ACPI CPU dev.cpu.0.%driver: cpu dev.cpu.0.%location: handle=\_PR_.CPU0 dev.cpu.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=none _UID=0 dev.cpu.0.%parent: acpi0 dev.cpu.0.temperature: 40 dev.cpu.0.freq: 1166 dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 1833/31000 1603/27125 1374/23250 1333/20000 1166/17500 1000/13000 875/11375 750/9750 625/8125 500/6500 375/4875 250/3250 125/1625 dev.cpu.0.cx_supported: C1/1 C2/1 C3/17 dev.cpu.0.cx_lowest: C2 dev.cpu.0.cx_usage: 0.00% 100.00% 0.00% dev.cpu.1.%desc: ACPI CPU dev.cpu.1.%driver: cpu dev.cpu.1.%location: handle=\_PR_.CPU1 dev.cpu.1.%pnpinfo: _HID=none _UID=0 dev.cpu.1.%parent: acpi0 dev.cpu.1.temperature: 40 dev.cpu.1.cx_supported: C1/1 C2/1 C3/17 dev.cpu.1.cx_lowest: C3 dev.cpu.1.cx_usage: 0.00% 99.99% 0.00% I might think of something else, but let's start with the stuff above. I guess, I should mention that I have a habit of emptying about a half of the can of compressed air into the grille on the left of the machine every few months or so. -- Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko (????????? ?????????) From gaijin.k at gmail.com Wed Jan 14 10:19:49 2009 From: gaijin.k at gmail.com (Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko) Date: Wed Jan 14 10:19:55 2009 Subject: X60 overheating with 7.1 In-Reply-To: References: <111DA6F0-24FF-417C-B37B-25780F7ECFF6@neville-neil.com> <1231952766.1172.31.camel@RabbitsDen> Message-ID: <1231957141.1172.55.camel@RabbitsDen> On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 12:13 -0500, George Neville-Neil wrote: > On Jan 14, 2009, at 12:06 , Alexandre Sunny Kovalenko wrote: > > >> > > That thread forked and re-forked a few times under the different > > subjects... > > > > Did you try setting > > > > hw.acpi.thermal.user_override=1 > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._PSV=75C > > > > in /etc/sysctl.conf? > > > Yes, that is now set and it keeps the machine from overheating BUT > the machine bounces around alot when doing any real work, like a build. > So the heat gets up to 80 then the CPU goes down to 125, then the heat > comes > down etc. I guess, we are down to expectations management here ;) I do no expect 1.83 GHz dualcore CPU, 3GB of RAM and 160GB of 5400RPM disk to be able to run at the top performance within 4 lbs package for any protracted period of time. I am quite happy with it doing -STABLE buildword under hour-and-a-half and re-encoding DVD movies at ~250fps. Or building OpenOffice.org under two days ;) > > If not, we can start by comparing machines and configurations. Mine is > > X60 (1709-something) with 1.83GHz "Core Not-2 Duo" which is 32-bit > > machine and I am running i386 version of -STABLE on it. I seem to > > recall > > that there are 64-bit capable X60 models out there as well and someone > > was running amd64 flavor on it. What's yours? > > > > I am running i386 as well and I think our machines are identical. Judging by "2000/Something" you have mentioned below, I suspect not. > I have tried powerd but, at least emprically, it seemed to cause > the bouncing heat/CPU speed issue to be worse, that is, higher peaks > and troughs. Just out of curiosity -- what are you using to visualize this? I was tempted a few times to put something together, but never really sat down to do it. > It NEVER gets down to 40 except when I turn it on. At idle the tz0 > and tz1 are > 60 and 62 respectively. I shall turn off powerd and Cx levels later today and see what I get than. > > > > Are you setting Cx levels in rc.conf? There are opinions whether doing C3 on one core (as I do) gains you anything, but, I believe, there is general consensus about C2. In my case, it seems to improve both battery life and heat dissipation. > I think I have one higher level, 2000/something at the start. I'll > look tonight > or tomorrow. That, likely means 2GHz processor, and AFAICR 64-bit capable to boot. -- Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko (????????? ?????????) From oberman at es.net Wed Jan 14 10:21:37 2009 From: oberman at es.net (Kevin Oberman) Date: Wed Jan 14 10:21:44 2009 Subject: X60 overheating with 7.1 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 14 Jan 2009 12:13:15 EST." Message-ID: <20090114181052.337131CC0B@ptavv.es.net> > From: George Neville-Neil > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 12:13:15 -0500 > Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org > > > On Jan 14, 2009, at 12:06 , Alexandre Sunny Kovalenko wrote: > > >> > > That thread forked and re-forked a few times under the different > > subjects... > > > > Did you try setting > > > > hw.acpi.thermal.user_override=1 > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._PSV=75C > > > > in /etc/sysctl.conf? > > > Yes, that is now set and it keeps the machine from overheating BUT > the machine bounces around alot when doing any real work, like a build. > So the heat gets up to 80 then the CPU goes down to 125, then the heat > comes > down etc. > > > If not, we can start by comparing machines and configurations. Mine is > > X60 (1709-something) with 1.83GHz "Core Not-2 Duo" which is 32-bit > > machine and I am running i386 version of -STABLE on it. I seem to > > recall > > that there are 64-bit capable X60 models out there as well and someone > > was running amd64 flavor on it. What's yours? > > > > I am running i386 as well and I think our machines are identical. I > have been > avoiding bringing it into the office (so I get $realwork done) but may > bring it in > this week to tinker while builds run. > > > Are you using powerd? > > > > I do: > > powerd_enable="YES" > > powerd_flags="-a adaptive -b adaptive -i 75 -r 65" > > > > I have tried powerd but, at least emprically, it seemed to cause > the bouncing heat/CPU speed issue to be worse, that is, higher peaks > and troughs. > > > What is the output of sysctl hw.acpi.thermal under light/idle load? > > > > Mine is: > > hw.acpi.thermal.min_runtime: 0 > > hw.acpi.thermal.polling_rate: 10 > > hw.acpi.thermal.user_override: 1 > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature: 40.0C > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.active: -1 > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.passive_cooling: 0 > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.thermal_flags: 0 > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._PSV: -1 > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._HOT: -1 > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._CRT: 127.0C > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._ACx: -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TC1: -1 > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TC2: -1 > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TSP: -1 > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1.temperature: 40.0C > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1.active: -1 > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1.passive_cooling: 1 > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1.thermal_flags: 0 > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._PSV: 75.0C > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._HOT: -1 > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._CRT: 97.0C > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._ACx: -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._TC1: 5 > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._TC2: 4 > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._TSP: 600 > > > > > It NEVER gets down to 40 except when I turn it on. At idle the tz0 > and tz1 are > 60 and 62 respectively. > > > Are you loading acpi_ibm? If yes, what is the output of sysctl > > dev.acpi_ibm ? > > > > Mine is: > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.%desc: IBM ThinkPad ACPI Extras > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.%driver: acpi_ibm > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.%location: handle=\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.HKEY > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=IBM0068 _UID=0 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.%parent: acpi0 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.initialmask: 2060 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.availmask: 16777215 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.events: 0 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.eventmask: 2060 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.hotkey: 2181 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.lcd_brightness: 0 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.volume: 10 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.mute: 0 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.thinklight: 0 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.bluetooth: 1 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.wlan: 1 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_speed: 2911 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_level: 0 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan: 1 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.thermal: 40 43 -1 40 31 -1 30 -1 > > > > Mine is again hotter, 60 or so on the first thermal. > > > > Are you setting Cx levels in rc.conf? > > > > That I am not doing as yet. > > > What is the output of sysctl dev.cpu? > > > > Mine is: > > dev.cpu.0.%desc: ACPI CPU > > dev.cpu.0.%driver: cpu > > dev.cpu.0.%location: handle=\_PR_.CPU0 > > dev.cpu.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=none _UID=0 > > dev.cpu.0.%parent: acpi0 > > dev.cpu.0.temperature: 40 > > dev.cpu.0.freq: 1166 > > dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 1833/31000 1603/27125 1374/23250 1333/20000 > > 1166/17500 1000/13000 875/11375 750/9750 625/8125 500/6500 375/4875 > > 250/3250 125/1625 > > dev.cpu.0.cx_supported: C1/1 C2/1 C3/17 > > dev.cpu.0.cx_lowest: C2 > > dev.cpu.0.cx_usage: 0.00% 100.00% 0.00% > > dev.cpu.1.%desc: ACPI CPU > > dev.cpu.1.%driver: cpu > > dev.cpu.1.%location: handle=\_PR_.CPU1 > > dev.cpu.1.%pnpinfo: _HID=none _UID=0 > > dev.cpu.1.%parent: acpi0 > > dev.cpu.1.temperature: 40 > > dev.cpu.1.cx_supported: C1/1 C2/1 C3/17 > > dev.cpu.1.cx_lowest: C3 > > dev.cpu.1.cx_usage: 0.00% 99.99% 0.00% > > > > I think I have one higher level, 2000/something at the start. I'll > look tonight > or tomorrow. > > > I might think of something else, but let's start with the stuff above. > > > > Sounds good, I'll get real output tonight/tomorrow. > > > I guess, I should mention that I have a habit of emptying about a half > > of the can of compressed air into the grille on the left of the > > machine > > every few months or so. > > > I have read things like this on the net as well. I can try that when > I bring the box into work as well. Or just remove the keyboard (simple on every ThinkPad I have owned, but I've never owned an X series) and blow into the exhaust vent. There is nothing in there that will care about a bit of humid air and it will probably dislodge a big cloud of dust. I have seen this drop the CPU temperature by 20 degrees. Also, 75C is a VERY conservative setting for most modern CPUs. My old P4 system (T40) is speced to run at up to 90C and my newer Pentium-M based T43 is speced at 100C. _PSV is 94.5 and _CRT is 99.0 on that system. I suspect that yours would be fine with _PSV of 85C, but you can look up the spec at Intel's web site. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751 From gnn at neville-neil.com Wed Jan 14 10:25:08 2009 From: gnn at neville-neil.com (George Neville-Neil) Date: Wed Jan 14 10:25:15 2009 Subject: X60 overheating with 7.1 In-Reply-To: <1231957141.1172.55.camel@RabbitsDen> References: <111DA6F0-24FF-417C-B37B-25780F7ECFF6@neville-neil.com> <1231952766.1172.31.camel@RabbitsDen> <1231957141.1172.55.camel@RabbitsDen> Message-ID: <25D09A8A-A889-422C-85A4-228708DAA5DD@neville-neil.com> On Jan 14, 2009, at 13:19 , Alexandre Sunny Kovalenko wrote: > 1.83 GHz dualcore CPU, 3GB of RAM and 160GB of 5400RPM disk to be able > to run at the top performance within 4 lbs package for any protracted > period of time. I am quite happy with it doing -STABLE buildword under > hour-and-a-half and re-encoding DVD movies at ~250fps. Or building > OpenOffice.org under two days ;) > Well performance wise it's fine, I just got worried when the heat bounce around so much. The one worrying thing is that with 7.1 RELEASE this does not happen. So something, either in the kernel, or my configuration files, changed. I had a mergemaster issue that I thought was between 7.1 STABLE -> CURRENT but perhaps it happened the first time I updated from 7.1 RELEASE. I know this because I had problems with an unrelated part of the system (wireless) that a mergemaster run on CURRENT fixed. > Judging by "2000/Something" you have mentioned below, I suspect not. > Well, we'll know tomorrow. > > Just out of curiosity -- what are you using to visualize this? I was > tempted a few times to put something together, but never really sat > down > to do it. > Nothing fancy: while 1 sysctl dev.acpi_ibm.thermal sleep 3 end >> It NEVER gets down to 40 except when I turn it on. At idle the tz0 >> and tz1 are >> 60 and 62 respectively. > I shall turn off powerd and Cx levels later today and see what I get > than. > OK, thanks. >>> >>> Are you setting Cx levels in rc.conf? > There are opinions whether doing C3 on one core (as I do) gains you > anything, but, I believe, there is general consensus about C2. In my > case, it seems to improve both battery life and heat dissipation. > OK, I will that tonight. >> I think I have one higher level, 2000/something at the start. I'll >> look tonight >> or tomorrow. > That, likely means 2GHz processor, and AFAICR 64-bit capable to boot. Hmm. I'll have to check. Thanks again, George From gaijin.k at gmail.com Wed Jan 14 10:48:18 2009 From: gaijin.k at gmail.com (Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko) Date: Wed Jan 14 10:48:24 2009 Subject: X60 overheating with 7.1 In-Reply-To: <20090114181052.337131CC0B@ptavv.es.net> References: <20090114181052.337131CC0B@ptavv.es.net> Message-ID: <1231958866.1172.58.camel@RabbitsDen> On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 10:10 -0800, Kevin Oberman wrote: > Also, 75C is a VERY conservative setting for most modern CPUs. My old P4 > system (T40) is speced to run at up to 90C and my newer Pentium-M based > T43 is speced at 100C. _PSV is 94.5 and _CRT is 99.0 on that system. I > suspect that yours would be fine with _PSV of 85C, but you can look up > the spec at Intel's web site. I think 85C was the default on my laptop. I have lowered it because such a tight package gets uncomfortable on one's lap otherwise. -- Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko (????????? ?????????) From brix at FreeBSD.org Wed Jan 14 10:49:33 2009 From: brix at FreeBSD.org (Henrik Brix Andersen) Date: Wed Jan 14 10:49:40 2009 Subject: X60 overheating with 7.1 In-Reply-To: <111DA6F0-24FF-417C-B37B-25780F7ECFF6@neville-neil.com> References: <111DA6F0-24FF-417C-B37B-25780F7ECFF6@neville-neil.com> Message-ID: <20090114183046.GD85379@tirith.brixandersen.dk> On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 12:37:15AM -0500, George Neville-Neil wrote: > I just got a Thinkpad X60 and have installed 7.1 STABLE on it. > Basically 7.1 and > then updated to stable as of 10 Jan. I have one major problem and > that is > overheating. I cannot run even a long compile without the CPU going > to 97C > and shutting down. Trying to do something like a buildkernel with -j > anything other > than 1 also fails. I have an X60s, and I too experienced overheating issues in the past - but they turned out to be caused by dust in the heating vent. I carefully used a vacuum cleaner for cleaning out the dust from the heating vent, and the temperature reported by ACPI dropped by approx. 10 C. Brix -- Henrik Brix Andersen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 217 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-mobile/attachments/20090114/f942f40e/attachment.pgp From oberman at es.net Wed Jan 14 11:40:16 2009 From: oberman at es.net (Kevin Oberman) Date: Wed Jan 14 11:40:23 2009 Subject: X60 overheating with 7.1 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:47:46 EST." <1231958866.1172.58.camel@RabbitsDen> Message-ID: <20090114194013.8241F1CC0B@ptavv.es.net> > From: "Alexandre \"Sunny\" Kovalenko" > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:47:46 -0500 > > On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 10:10 -0800, Kevin Oberman wrote: > > > Also, 75C is a VERY conservative setting for most modern CPUs. My old P4 > > system (T40) is speced to run at up to 90C and my newer Pentium-M based > > T43 is speced at 100C. _PSV is 94.5 and _CRT is 99.0 on that system. I > > suspect that yours would be fine with _PSV of 85C, but you can look up > > the spec at Intel's web site. > I think 85C was the default on my laptop. I have lowered it because such > a tight package gets uncomfortable on one's lap otherwise. If your employer has ergonomic reviews, I'm sure that they will point out that a laptop should never be used when sitting on ones lap! Our ergo people think it's great that some modern laptops get so hot so people are reminded not to do this. :-) -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751 From gaijin.k at gmail.com Wed Jan 14 11:48:07 2009 From: gaijin.k at gmail.com (Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko) Date: Wed Jan 14 11:48:14 2009 Subject: X60 overheating with 7.1 In-Reply-To: <20090114194013.8241F1CC0B@ptavv.es.net> References: <20090114194013.8241F1CC0B@ptavv.es.net> Message-ID: <1231962455.93766.2.camel@RabbitsDen> On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 11:40 -0800, Kevin Oberman wrote: > > From: "Alexandre \"Sunny\" Kovalenko" > > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:47:46 -0500 > > > > On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 10:10 -0800, Kevin Oberman wrote: > > > > > Also, 75C is a VERY conservative setting for most modern CPUs. My old P4 > > > system (T40) is speced to run at up to 90C and my newer Pentium-M based > > > T43 is speced at 100C. _PSV is 94.5 and _CRT is 99.0 on that system. I > > > suspect that yours would be fine with _PSV of 85C, but you can look up > > > the spec at Intel's web site. > > I think 85C was the default on my laptop. I have lowered it because such > > a tight package gets uncomfortable on one's lap otherwise. > > If your employer has ergonomic reviews, I'm sure that they will point > out that a laptop should never be used when sitting on ones lap! Our ergo > people think it's great that some modern laptops get so hot so people > are reminded not to do this. :-) This is the personal piece of hardware. I wish my employer would let me run FreeBSD on my laptop... -- Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko (????????? ?????????) From brooks at freebsd.org Wed Jan 14 12:07:35 2009 From: brooks at freebsd.org (Brooks Davis) Date: Wed Jan 14 12:07:41 2009 Subject: X60 overheating with 7.1 In-Reply-To: <20090114194013.8241F1CC0B@ptavv.es.net> References: <1231958866.1172.58.camel@RabbitsDen> <20090114194013.8241F1CC0B@ptavv.es.net> Message-ID: <20090114194648.GA68555@lor.one-eyed-alien.net> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 11:40:13AM -0800, Kevin Oberman wrote: > > From: "Alexandre \"Sunny\" Kovalenko" > > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:47:46 -0500 > > > > On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 10:10 -0800, Kevin Oberman wrote: > > > > > Also, 75C is a VERY conservative setting for most modern CPUs. My old P4 > > > system (T40) is speced to run at up to 90C and my newer Pentium-M based > > > T43 is speced at 100C. _PSV is 94.5 and _CRT is 99.0 on that system. I > > > suspect that yours would be fine with _PSV of 85C, but you can look up > > > the spec at Intel's web site. > > I think 85C was the default on my laptop. I have lowered it because such > > a tight package gets uncomfortable on one's lap otherwise. > > If your employer has ergonomic reviews, I'm sure that they will point > out that a laptop should never be used when sitting on ones lap! Our ergo > people think it's great that some modern laptops get so hot so people > are reminded not to do this. :-) While this is ergonomics conventional wisdom, it isn't entierly true for all people. On the advice of a physical therepist, I work almost exclusivly with a laptop in my lap while sitting on a couch and only have strain issues when forced to work at a desk. -- Brooks -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 187 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-mobile/attachments/20090114/e8163764/attachment.pgp From alex.kovalenko at verizon.net Wed Jan 14 20:07:49 2009 From: alex.kovalenko at verizon.net (Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko) Date: Wed Jan 14 20:07:56 2009 Subject: X60 overheating with 7.1 In-Reply-To: <1231957141.1172.55.camel@RabbitsDen> References: <111DA6F0-24FF-417C-B37B-25780F7ECFF6@neville-neil.com> <1231952766.1172.31.camel@RabbitsDen> <1231957141.1172.55.camel@RabbitsDen> Message-ID: <1231988689.1064.8.camel@RabbitsDen> On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 13:19 -0500, Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko wrote: > On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 12:13 -0500, George Neville-Neil wrote: > > On Jan 14, 2009, at 12:06 , Alexandre Sunny Kovalenko wrote: > > > > >> > > > That thread forked and re-forked a few times under the different > > > subjects... > > > > > > Did you try setting > > > > > > hw.acpi.thermal.user_override=1 > > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._PSV=75C > > > > > > in /etc/sysctl.conf? > > > > > Yes, that is now set and it keeps the machine from overheating BUT > > the machine bounces around alot when doing any real work, like a build. > > So the heat gets up to 80 then the CPU goes down to 125, then the heat > > comes > > down etc. > I guess, we are down to expectations management here ;) I do no expect > 1.83 GHz dualcore CPU, 3GB of RAM and 160GB of 5400RPM disk to be able > to run at the top performance within 4 lbs package for any protracted > period of time. I am quite happy with it doing -STABLE buildword under > hour-and-a-half and re-encoding DVD movies at ~250fps. Or building > OpenOffice.org under two days ;) > > > > If not, we can start by comparing machines and configurations. Mine is > > > X60 (1709-something) with 1.83GHz "Core Not-2 Duo" which is 32-bit > > > machine and I am running i386 version of -STABLE on it. I seem to > > > recall > > > that there are 64-bit capable X60 models out there as well and someone > > > was running amd64 flavor on it. What's yours? > > > > > > > I am running i386 as well and I think our machines are identical. > Judging by "2000/Something" you have mentioned below, I suspect not. > > > I have tried powerd but, at least emprically, it seemed to cause > > the bouncing heat/CPU speed issue to be worse, that is, higher peaks > > and troughs. > Just out of curiosity -- what are you using to visualize this? I was > tempted a few times to put something together, but never really sat down > to do it. > > > It NEVER gets down to 40 except when I turn it on. At idle the tz0 > > and tz1 are > > 60 and 62 respectively. > I shall turn off powerd and Cx levels later today and see what I get > than. After sitting idle at 1.83GHz and C1 for 5 minutes after boot it did not move off 43 and 45 respectively. Fan was turning on and off, though. Few things I should have mentioned, which might or might not be related: -- I set hw.pci.do_power_nodriver to "3" -- I do not build USB into the kernel and I do not load USB modules by default -- Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko (????????? ?????????) From matthias.apitz at oclc.org Thu Jan 15 03:07:41 2009 From: matthias.apitz at oclc.org (Matthias Apitz) Date: Thu Jan 15 03:07:48 2009 Subject: eeePC 900 && cam Message-ID: <20090115105531.GA6917@rebelion.Sisis.de> Hello, Is there any work in progress for the 'onboard' cam of the Asus EeePC 900 series? thx matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ SPAMer of the year: Subject: Alle Software ist Deutsche Sprachen >From: -40 % die Neujahrsaktion From gnn at neville-neil.com Thu Jan 15 07:03:03 2009 From: gnn at neville-neil.com (George Neville-Neil) Date: Thu Jan 15 07:03:08 2009 Subject: X60 overheating with 7.1 In-Reply-To: <1231988689.1064.8.camel@RabbitsDen> References: <111DA6F0-24FF-417C-B37B-25780F7ECFF6@neville-neil.com> <1231952766.1172.31.camel@RabbitsDen> <1231957141.1172.55.camel@RabbitsDen> <1231988689.1064.8.camel@RabbitsDen> Message-ID: <72FDBFF6-7BCF-4BBB-8AE8-1D8C6EBA6D89@neville-neil.com> Replying to myself again. With the settings I discussed I got thermal shutdowns doing make -j 4 buildworld after about 10 minutes each time. I am going to swap the tz0 and tz1 temperatures and try again. Since tz1 is more sensitive (the CRT is 97) it makes more sense to be more aggressive cooling it than tz0 which has a CRT of 128. Best, George From alex.kovalenko at verizon.net Thu Jan 15 13:55:52 2009 From: alex.kovalenko at verizon.net (Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko) Date: Thu Jan 15 13:55:59 2009 Subject: X60 overheating with 7.1 In-Reply-To: <72FDBFF6-7BCF-4BBB-8AE8-1D8C6EBA6D89@neville-neil.com> References: <111DA6F0-24FF-417C-B37B-25780F7ECFF6@neville-neil.com> <1231952766.1172.31.camel@RabbitsDen> <1231957141.1172.55.camel@RabbitsDen> <1231988689.1064.8.camel@RabbitsDen> <72FDBFF6-7BCF-4BBB-8AE8-1D8C6EBA6D89@neville-neil.com> Message-ID: <1232056523.96305.11.camel@RabbitsDen> On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 10:02 -0500, George Neville-Neil wrote: > Replying to myself again. > > With the settings I discussed I got thermal shutdowns doing make -j 4 > buildworld > after about 10 minutes each time. I am going to swap the tz0 and tz1 > temperatures > and try again. Since tz1 is more sensitive (the CRT is 97) it makes > more sense > to be more aggressive cooling it than tz0 which has a CRT of 128. ISTR that tz0 is some kind of a sham on X60 or, at least, on 1709-73U that I own. It does not implement _PSV, _PSL, _TC1, _TC2 or _TSP and is useless from passive cooling standpoint. Its _TMP method returns 128C under some conditions _regardless of measured temperature_. Did you actually see any attempts at passive cooling when you overrode _PSV in tz0? > Best, > George > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mobile-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko (????????? ?????????) From gnn at neville-neil.com Thu Jan 15 14:11:04 2009 From: gnn at neville-neil.com (George Neville-Neil) Date: Thu Jan 15 14:11:11 2009 Subject: X60 overheating with 7.1 In-Reply-To: <1232056523.96305.11.camel@RabbitsDen> References: <111DA6F0-24FF-417C-B37B-25780F7ECFF6@neville-neil.com> <1231952766.1172.31.camel@RabbitsDen> <1231957141.1172.55.camel@RabbitsDen> <1231988689.1064.8.camel@RabbitsDen> <72FDBFF6-7BCF-4BBB-8AE8-1D8C6EBA6D89@neville-neil.com> <1232056523.96305.11.camel@RabbitsDen> Message-ID: <015E07DD-D73E-4F5C-98F7-01EBFF1D18CA@neville-neil.com> On Jan 15, 2009, at 16:55 , Alexandre Sunny Kovalenko wrote: > On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 10:02 -0500, George Neville-Neil wrote: >> Replying to myself again. >> >> With the settings I discussed I got thermal shutdowns doing make -j 4 >> buildworld >> after about 10 minutes each time. I am going to swap the tz0 and tz1 >> temperatures >> and try again. Since tz1 is more sensitive (the CRT is 97) it makes >> more sense >> to be more aggressive cooling it than tz0 which has a CRT of 128. > ISTR that tz0 is some kind of a sham on X60 or, at least, on 1709-73U > that I own. It does not implement _PSV, _PSL, _TC1, _TC2 or _TSP and > is > useless from passive cooling standpoint. Its _TMP method returns 128C > under some conditions _regardless of measured temperature_. Did you > actually see any attempts at passive cooling when you overrode _PSV in > tz0? I kept overriding both, so not really sure. I am attempting to update the box because I want to know if this was a failed set of modules (7.1 and 8.0). Best, George From josh at tcbug.org Fri Jan 16 12:28:22 2009 From: josh at tcbug.org (Josh Paetzel) Date: Fri Jan 16 12:28:28 2009 Subject: X60 overheating with 7.1 In-Reply-To: <015E07DD-D73E-4F5C-98F7-01EBFF1D18CA@neville-neil.com> References: <111DA6F0-24FF-417C-B37B-25780F7ECFF6@neville-neil.com> <1231952766.1172.31.camel@RabbitsDen> <1231957141.1172.55.camel@RabbitsDen> <1231988689.1064.8.camel@RabbitsDen> <72FDBFF6-7BCF-4BBB-8AE8-1D8C6EBA6D89@neville-neil.com> <1232056523.96305.11.camel@RabbitsDen> <015E07DD-D73E-4F5C-98F7-01EBFF1D18CA@neville-neil.com> Message-ID: <4970EDE3.6060100@tcbug.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 George Neville-Neil wrote: > > On Jan 15, 2009, at 16:55 , Alexandre Sunny Kovalenko wrote: > >> On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 10:02 -0500, George Neville-Neil wrote: >>> Replying to myself again. >>> >>> With the settings I discussed I got thermal shutdowns doing make -j 4 >>> buildworld >>> after about 10 minutes each time. I am going to swap the tz0 and tz1 >>> temperatures >>> and try again. Since tz1 is more sensitive (the CRT is 97) it makes >>> more sense >>> to be more aggressive cooling it than tz0 which has a CRT of 128. >> ISTR that tz0 is some kind of a sham on X60 or, at least, on 1709-73U >> that I own. It does not implement _PSV, _PSL, _TC1, _TC2 or _TSP and is >> useless from passive cooling standpoint. Its _TMP method returns 128C >> under some conditions _regardless of measured temperature_. Did you >> actually see any attempts at passive cooling when you overrode _PSV in >> tz0? > > I kept overriding both, so not really sure. I am attempting to update > the box > because I want to know if this was a failed set of modules (7.1 and 8.0). > > Best, > George Disclaimer: I don't have an X60, I have a T60, but I had incredibly similar heat issues. A few things I've never posted before to the mailing lists. 1) My heat problems were somewhat intermittant. Enough so that it would fool me in to thinking software was fixing things. I'd try some change, and it would seem to work, or not, but every once in a while I was able to run a mke -j4 buildworld without it hitting 100C and shutting down. 2) IBM has admitted they had assembly problems. If you browse around you'll find some people who think their T60/X60/R60's are loud or have unusably high heat, and some people who think the are quiet and perfectly fine. When I took mine apart the thermal compound was very excessively applied (think 2 year old applying jelly to a sandwich) and after I cleaned it up and reassembled it I thought I had damaged it somehow as the cpu fan wasn't running at all. It turns out that with a proper amount of thermal paste it can handle low cpu load with only passive cooling. My CPU temps went from 65-70C at idle with the fan running full out to 42-45C at idle with the fan either off or barely running. At full load it went from unusable to 65C with the fan eventually ramping up to full speed after an hour or so of intensive use. You may be hitting a software issue, but my issue was caused by hardware and very intermittant, which lead me to believe it was software related for months on end. - -- Thanks, Josh Paetzel PGP: 8A48 EF36 5E9F 4EDA 5ABC 11B4 26F9 01F1 27AF AECB -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAklw7eMACgkQJvkB8SevrsuMgACdHNDNGX5ithafC4HrTYvtexBC 5ncAnRvgddS5oBcV3Ae21nqoK8T9B+Cp =YWgw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gnn at neville-neil.com Fri Jan 16 13:08:24 2009 From: gnn at neville-neil.com (George Neville-Neil) Date: Fri Jan 16 13:08:33 2009 Subject: X60 overheating with 7.1 In-Reply-To: <4970EDE3.6060100@tcbug.org> References: <111DA6F0-24FF-417C-B37B-25780F7ECFF6@neville-neil.com> <1231952766.1172.31.camel@RabbitsDen> <1231957141.1172.55.camel@RabbitsDen> <1231988689.1064.8.camel@RabbitsDen> <72FDBFF6-7BCF-4BBB-8AE8-1D8C6EBA6D89@neville-neil.com> <1232056523.96305.11.camel@RabbitsDen> <015E07DD-D73E-4F5C-98F7-01EBFF1D18CA@neville-neil.com> <4970EDE3.6060100@tcbug.org> Message-ID: On Jan 16, 2009, at 15:28 , Josh Paetzel wrote: > > A few things I've never posted before to the mailing lists. > > 1) My heat problems were somewhat intermittant. Enough so that it > would fool me in to thinking software was fixing things. I'd try some > change, and it would seem to work, or not, but every once in a while I > was able to run a mke -j4 buildworld without it hitting 100C and > shutting down. This sounds quite familiar. > 2) IBM has admitted they had assembly problems. If you browse around > you'll find some people who think their T60/X60/R60's are loud or have > unusably high heat, and some people who think the are quiet and > perfectly fine. When I took mine apart the thermal compound was very > excessively applied (think 2 year old applying jelly to a sandwich) > and > after I cleaned it up and reassembled it I thought I had damaged it > somehow as the cpu fan wasn't running at all. It turns out that > with a > proper amount of thermal paste it can handle low cpu load with only > passive cooling. My CPU temps went from 65-70C at idle with the fan > running full out to 42-45C at idle with the fan either off or barely > running. At full load it went from unusable to 65C with the fan > eventually ramping up to full speed after an hour or so of intensive > use. > > You may be hitting a software issue, but my issue was caused by > hardware > and very intermittant, which lead me to believe it was software > related > for months on end. > I started down the path of opening the box but it's pretty complex and even with the manual getting to the CPU seemed fraught with peril. If there were a site like ifixit that had a good set of "to get to the CPU" I might attempt it again. There are some factors that lead me away from a hardware problem: 1) This machine was previously owned by my other half, who ran XP and Vista on it with no problems. 2) It really does seem related to 7.1 RELEASE vs. 7.1 STABLE and CURRENT. I have re-installed RELEASE twice and built -j 4 on it with no problems. That being said, I may still look at the CPU paste. Thanks, Geore From alex.kovalenko at verizon.net Sat Jan 17 05:35:08 2009 From: alex.kovalenko at verizon.net (Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko) Date: Sat Jan 17 05:35:15 2009 Subject: X60 overheating with 7.1 In-Reply-To: References: <111DA6F0-24FF-417C-B37B-25780F7ECFF6@neville-neil.com> <1231952766.1172.31.camel@RabbitsDen> <1231957141.1172.55.camel@RabbitsDen> <1231988689.1064.8.camel@RabbitsDen> <72FDBFF6-7BCF-4BBB-8AE8-1D8C6EBA6D89@neville-neil.com> <1232056523.96305.11.camel@RabbitsDen> <015E07DD-D73E-4F5C-98F7-01EBFF1D18CA@neville-neil.com> <4970EDE3.6060100@tcbug.org> Message-ID: <1232199280.86094.10.camel@RabbitsDen> On Fri, 2009-01-16 at 16:05 -0500, George Neville-Neil wrote: > On Jan 16, 2009, at 15:28 , Josh Paetzel wrote: > > > > A few things I've never posted before to the mailing lists. > > > > 1) My heat problems were somewhat intermittant. Enough so that it > > would fool me in to thinking software was fixing things. I'd try some > > change, and it would seem to work, or not, but every once in a while I > > was able to run a mke -j4 buildworld without it hitting 100C and > > shutting down. > > This sounds quite familiar. > > > 2) IBM has admitted they had assembly problems. If you browse around > > you'll find some people who think their T60/X60/R60's are loud or have > > unusably high heat, and some people who think the are quiet and > > perfectly fine. When I took mine apart the thermal compound was very > > excessively applied (think 2 year old applying jelly to a sandwich) > > and > > after I cleaned it up and reassembled it I thought I had damaged it > > somehow as the cpu fan wasn't running at all. It turns out that > > with a > > proper amount of thermal paste it can handle low cpu load with only > > passive cooling. My CPU temps went from 65-70C at idle with the fan > > running full out to 42-45C at idle with the fan either off or barely > > running. At full load it went from unusable to 65C with the fan > > eventually ramping up to full speed after an hour or so of intensive > > use. > > > > You may be hitting a software issue, but my issue was caused by > > hardware > > and very intermittant, which lead me to believe it was software > > related > > for months on end. > > > > I started down the path of opening the box but it's pretty complex and > even with the manual > getting to the CPU seemed fraught with peril. If there were a site > like ifixit > that had a good set of "to get to the CPU" I might attempt it again. > > There are some factors that lead me away from a hardware problem: > > 1) This machine was previously owned by my other half, who ran XP and > Vista on it > with no problems. > > 2) It really does seem related to 7.1 RELEASE vs. 7.1 STABLE and > CURRENT. I have re-installed > RELEASE twice and built -j 4 on it with no problems. What are your idle temperatures with the -RELEASE? If they are still in 60s, I'd say Josh is right and -RELEASE is just masking hardware problem better than -STABLE. If they are down to more reasonable 40s, I would look some more into the software -- taking apart X60 will be harder than taking apart T60 or R60 -- there are pieces of the casing that break off easily enough even during the normal use. Like the molding around the infrared sensor on the front right. Just my 2c. > > That being said, I may still look at the CPU paste. > > Thanks, > Geore > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mobile-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko From tamaru at myn.rcast.u-tokyo.ac.jp Sat Jan 17 06:04:27 2009 From: tamaru at myn.rcast.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Hiroharu Tamaru) Date: Sat Jan 17 06:04:33 2009 Subject: X60 overheating with 7.1 In-Reply-To: References: <111DA6F0-24FF-417C-B37B-25780F7ECFF6@neville-neil.com> <1231952766.1172.31.camel@RabbitsDen> <1231957141.1172.55.camel@RabbitsDen> <1231988689.1064.8.camel@RabbitsDen> <72FDBFF6-7BCF-4BBB-8AE8-1D8C6EBA6D89@neville-neil.com> <1232056523.96305.11.camel@RabbitsDen> <015E07DD-D73E-4F5C-98F7-01EBFF1D18CA@neville-neil.com> <4970EDE3.6060100@tcbug.org> Message-ID: Hi, At Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:05:40 -0500,George Neville-Neil wrote: > On Jan 16, 2009, at 15:28 , Josh Paetzel wrote: > > > > A few things I've never posted before to the mailing lists. > > > > 1) My heat problems were somewhat intermittant. Enough so that it > > would fool me in to thinking software was fixing things. I'd try some > > change, and it would seem to work, or not, but every once in a while I > > was able to run a mke -j4 buildworld without it hitting 100C and > > shutting down. > > This sounds quite familiar. > > > 2) IBM has admitted they had assembly problems. If you browse around > > you'll find some people who think their T60/X60/R60's are loud or have > > unusably high heat, and some people who think the are quiet and > > perfectly fine. When I took mine apart the thermal compound was very > > excessively applied (think 2 year old applying jelly to a sandwich) > > and > > after I cleaned it up and reassembled it I thought I had damaged it > > somehow as the cpu fan wasn't running at all. It turns out that > > with a > > proper amount of thermal paste it can handle low cpu load with only > > passive cooling. My CPU temps went from 65-70C at idle with the fan > > running full out to 42-45C at idle with the fan either off or barely > > running. At full load it went from unusable to 65C with the fan > > eventually ramping up to full speed after an hour or so of intensive > > use. > > > > You may be hitting a software issue, but my issue was caused by > > hardware > > and very intermittant, which lead me to believe it was software > > related > > for months on end. > > > > I started down the path of opening the box but it's pretty complex and > even with the manual > getting to the CPU seemed fraught with peril. If there were a site > like ifixit > that had a good set of "to get to the CPU" I might attempt it again. > > There are some factors that lead me away from a hardware problem: > > 1) This machine was previously owned by my other half, who ran XP and > Vista on it > with no problems. > > 2) It really does seem related to 7.1 RELEASE vs. 7.1 STABLE and > CURRENT. I have re-installed > RELEASE twice and built -j 4 on it with no problems. > > That being said, I may still look at the CPU paste. Yes, I advise you so too. My colleague and I both have X60, purchased at around the same time but from totally different suppliers. Mine was fine, but for my colleague's X60, it started to shut itself down very frequently after upgradeing it to 7.x. We also suspected some software problem, and we actually couldn't prove it otherwise, but re-greasing the CPU paste solved our issue as well, and we were done with it. IIRC, some one claimed that the current ULE scheduler makes a better use of the CPU than previous ones, not to mention windows. Well, probably yes, but probably not...;-) And yes, even after this surgery, mine run a little cooler than his, with a very similar load, watching them side by side. What was a little different from most reports (in English) was that in our case, the paste on the heatsink didn't look like it reached the CPU (or was it the north bridge..?), so we rather added some silicone paste. There are some of these reported in Japanese if you google around, FWIW. This may help you to get to the CPU: http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/MIGR-62866.html which links to: ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/pc/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/42x3550_04.pdf See Page 92 (pdf page 102/242) I do remember that there were some subtle places (though we worked without any documents), and I do remember that there were some screws that had more than one thing to hold, on front and backside of the main board. So look carefully before touching each screw! YMMV, of course. Hiroharu Tamaru From tamaru at myn.rcast.u-tokyo.ac.jp Sat Jan 17 06:54:43 2009 From: tamaru at myn.rcast.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Hiroharu Tamaru) Date: Sat Jan 17 06:54:50 2009 Subject: X60 overheating with 7.1 In-Reply-To: References: <111DA6F0-24FF-417C-B37B-25780F7ECFF6@neville-neil.com> <1231952766.1172.31.camel@RabbitsDen> <1231957141.1172.55.camel@RabbitsDen> <1231988689.1064.8.camel@RabbitsDen> <72FDBFF6-7BCF-4BBB-8AE8-1D8C6EBA6D89@neville-neil.com> <1232056523.96305.11.camel@RabbitsDen> <015E07DD-D73E-4F5C-98F7-01EBFF1D18CA@neville-neil.com> <4970EDE3.6060100@tcbug.org> Message-ID: At Sat, 17 Jan 2009 22:20:33 +0900, Hiroharu Tamaru wrote: > This may help you to get to the CPU: > http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/MIGR-62866.html > which links to: > ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/pc/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/42x3550_04.pdf > See Page 92 (pdf page 102/242) > > I do remember that there were some subtle places (though we > worked without any documents), and I do remember that there > were some screws that had more than one thing to hold, on > front and backside of the main board. So look carefully > before touching each screw! YMMV, of course. I forgot to mention.. I also read somewhere that you can claim to Lenovo pointing this specific issue out, and they would do the reassembly for you, if you can afford to send it back and wait. Hiroharu Tamaru From gnn at freebsd.org Sat Jan 17 07:53:55 2009 From: gnn at freebsd.org (gnn@freebsd.org) Date: Sat Jan 17 07:54:02 2009 Subject: X60 overheating with 7.1 In-Reply-To: References: <111DA6F0-24FF-417C-B37B-25780F7ECFF6@neville-neil.com> <1231952766.1172.31.camel@RabbitsDen> <1231957141.1172.55.camel@RabbitsDen> <1231988689.1064.8.camel@RabbitsDen> <72FDBFF6-7BCF-4BBB-8AE8-1D8C6EBA6D89@neville-neil.com> <1232056523.96305.11.camel@RabbitsDen> <015E07DD-D73E-4F5C-98F7-01EBFF1D18CA@neville-neil.com> <4970EDE3.6060100@tcbug.org> Message-ID: <86hc3yszdr.wl%gnn@neville-neil.com> At Sat, 17 Jan 2009 22:20:33 +0900, Hiroharu Tamaru wrote: > Yes, I advise you so too. > Well, I'll have to wait a couple of weeks until I have the time to do this but it may be time to examine the paste. > This may help you to get to the CPU: > http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/MIGR-62866.html > which links to: > ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/pc/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/42x3550_04.pdf > See Page 92 (pdf page 102/242) > Yup, this is the manual I read. I have a copy. Thanks. > I do remember that there were some subtle places (though we > worked without any documents), and I do remember that there > were some screws that had more than one thing to hold, on > front and backside of the main board. So look carefully > before touching each screw! YMMV, of course. Heh, yes, "subtle places" indeed. For the record, once kernels are built and the system is running without WITNESS I have an average idle temperature of 47C: (1) punk ? sysctl dev.acpi_ibm.0.thermal dev.acpi_ibm.0.thermal: 47 54 -1 47 30 -1 29 -1 But the next tests will be using this as my development target and conference demo box, which is why I bought it in the first place. I have seen a few disparate pages on this box, and if I get a bit of time I'll try to summarize them on the FreebSd forums. This is the kind of information that is better in a forum than in an email thread. Thanks, George From torfinn.ingolfsen at broadpark.no Sun Jan 18 11:33:06 2009 From: torfinn.ingolfsen at broadpark.no (Torfinn Ingolfsen) Date: Sun Jan 18 11:33:13 2009 Subject: ThinkPad T61 and FreeBSD 7.1-stable Message-ID: <20090118203304.0ab9e898.torfinn.ingolfsen@broadpark.no> FYI, I just upgraded my "test hard drive" (external, usb) to latest FreeBSD 7.1-stable / i386 and testet it on my work laptop, a Lenovo ThinkPad T61. I did not test suspend of any kind. Most things seems to work, including wireless with the iwn[2] driver (from perforce). dmesg's and other info on my FreeBSD on T61 page[1]. References: 1) http://tingox.googlepages.com/t61_freebsd 2) http://www.clearchain.com/wiki/Iwn -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen From prabu at hackinthebox.org Tue Jan 20 14:41:31 2009 From: prabu at hackinthebox.org (Praburaajan) Date: Tue Jan 20 14:41:39 2009 Subject: Videos from HITBSecConf2008 - Malaysia released! Message-ID: <49764CC2.2060805@hackinthebox.org> The videos from HITBSecConf2008 - Malaysia are now available for download! Day 1 ===== http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4654588/HITBSecConf2008_-_Malaysia_Videos___Day_1 Keynote Address 1: The Art of Click-Jacking - Jeremiah Grossman Keynote Address 2: Cyberwar is Bullshit - Marcus Ranum Presentations: - Delivering Identity Management 2.0 by Leveraging OPSS - Bluepilling the Xen Hypervisor - Pass the Hash Toolkit for Windows - Internet Explorer 8 - Trustworthy Engineering and Browsing - Full Process Reconsitution from Memory - Hacking Internet Kiosks - Analysis and Visualization of Common Packers - A Fox in the Hen House - UPnP IGD - MoocherHunting - Browser Exploits: A New Model for Browser Security - Time for a Free Hardware Foundation? - Mac OS Xploitation - Hacking a Bird in The Sky 2.0 - How the Leopard Hides His Spots - OS X Anti-Forensics Techniques Day 2 ===== http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4654974/HITBSecConf2008_-_Malaysia_Videos___Day_2 Keynote Address 3: Dissolving an Industry as a Hobby - THE PIRATE BAY Presentations: - Pushing the Camel Through the Eye of a Needle - An Effective Methodology to Enable Security Evaluation at RTL Level - Remote Code Execution Through Intel CPU Bugs - Next Generation Reverse Shell - Build Your Own Password Cracker with a Disassembler and VM Magic - Decompilers and Beyond - Cracking into Embedded Devices and Beyond! - Client-side Security - Top 10 Web 2.0 Attacks === On a related note, the registration for HITBSecConf2009 - Dubai (20th - 23rd April) is now open! http://conference.hitb.org/hitbsecconf2009dubai/ The Call for Papers (CFP) for HITBSecConf2009 - Malaysia (October 5th - 8th) will open in March 2009. 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You are currently subscribed as: mobile@freebsd.org If you no longer wish to receive our newsletters then please unsubscribe here: http://webinquiry.net/odhr/unsubscribe/unsubscribe.aspx?jobid={1A536043-36B0-4700-94D1-C3006F6A0DF9}&rcptid=504154975&name=Jerome&rcpt=E1d3gngzxtw7hpa78lklzqq53kdwqrr5ma65fcij67lnwr75ewl7xgb8wloe&version=o From jmt at twilley.org Wed Jan 28 00:56:18 2009 From: jmt at twilley.org (Jack Twilley) Date: Wed Jan 28 00:56:29 2009 Subject: Tethering with HTC Touch Pro -- how? Message-ID: <498018DA.4090906@twilley.org> I have enabled internet connection sharing on my HTC Touch Pro by modifying the registry. The phone works for tethering on my Vista box as expected. How do I make it work on FreeBSD? Jack. From vince at unsane.co.uk Wed Jan 28 03:07:06 2009 From: vince at unsane.co.uk (Vincent Hoffman) Date: Wed Jan 28 03:07:14 2009 Subject: Tethering with HTC Touch Pro -- how? In-Reply-To: <498018DA.4090906@twilley.org> References: <498018DA.4090906@twilley.org> Message-ID: <49803C55.3050604@unsane.co.uk> Jack Twilley wrote: > I have enabled internet connection sharing on my HTC Touch Pro by > modifying the registry. The phone works for tethering on my Vista box > as expected. How do I make it work on FreeBSD? > Although the synce ports have improved from when i last tried to use the (http://www.synce.org/moin/SynceInstallation/FreeBSD) I'm not sure there is a way to do this cabled, so to tether my HTC I used a reghack to make it act as an ad-hoc wifi access point. see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=341398 There are also commercial apps that do this (one of which is referenced in that link) I no longer have a windows mobile so cant really help much beyond that. Vince > Jack. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mobile-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From mav at mavhome.dp.ua Thu Jan 29 01:13:25 2009 From: mav at mavhome.dp.ua (Alexander Motin) Date: Thu Jan 29 01:13:34 2009 Subject: Tethering with HTC Touch Pro -- how? In-Reply-To: <1233145383.00067348.1233133205@10.7.7.3> References: <1233145383.00067348.1233133205@10.7.7.3> Message-ID: <49817333.8070708@mavhome.dp.ua> Jack Twilley wrote: > I have enabled internet connection sharing on my HTC Touch Pro by > modifying the registry. The phone works for tethering on my Vista box > as expected. How do I make it work on FreeBSD? I am successfully using my Qtek S200 with WM6.1 as plain Bluetooth GPRS/EDGE modem. BT PAN profile could be better for internet sharing; I haven't seen it implemented, but there were some activity. Sharing via USB cable requires RNDIS support, which is also not implemented, AFAIK due to buggy and undocumented protocol. -- Alexander Motin From maanderson at shaw.ca Thu Jan 29 21:41:33 2009 From: maanderson at shaw.ca (Michael Anderson) Date: Thu Jan 29 21:41:39 2009 Subject: HP Compaq nx9600 Message-ID: <49829A69.90705@shaw.ca> Has any one had any success fully installing FreeBSD 7.1 on the HP Compaq nx9600? I can get it to insatll, but it will not connect to the internet and X11 will not run properly (It might be because of the 17" Wide Screen or my lask of ability of properly configuring Xorg. Any help would be great. From lars.engels at 0x20.net Fri Jan 30 00:37:31 2009 From: lars.engels at 0x20.net (Lars Engels) Date: Fri Jan 30 00:37:38 2009 Subject: HP Compaq nx9600 In-Reply-To: <49829A69.90705@shaw.ca> References: <49829A69.90705@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <20090130093729.r4817vmb4osc0kkk@0x20.net> Quoting Michael Anderson : > Has any one had any success fully installing FreeBSD 7.1 on the HP > Compaq nx9600? I can get it to insatll, but it will not connect to the > internet and X11 will not run properly (It might be because of the 17" > Wide Screen or my lask of ability of properly configuring Xorg. > > Any help would be great. Uhm, what about some error messages? What have you tried to connect to the internet? How did you set up X? What does Xorg.0.log look like? :) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 195 bytes Desc: Digitale PGP-Unterschrift Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-mobile/attachments/20090130/fc6810e2/attachment.pgp From henry.hu.sh at gmail.com Sat Jan 31 20:10:18 2009 From: henry.hu.sh at gmail.com (Henry Hu) Date: Sat Jan 31 20:10:24 2009 Subject: Problem about the new sdhci driver Message-ID: <53a1e0710901311949x3b853404oe89cf2ae9a0903f7@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I'm using FreeBSD 7-STABLE, with sdhci driver sdhci.20081029.tgz mmc.20081029.tgz I've found that if I load sdhci driver with card inserted, everything works fine. But if I load sdhci driver first, and then insert card, the card is not detected.Additionally, there is no interrupt. After I've load sdhci driver without card, the controller seems to be in a problematic state. The register dump outputed when the driver loaded showed that Present is 0x01f20000 which is correct since the card is not inserted then. But cards is not detected. Even if I unload the driver and reload with card inserted, the card still cannot be detected, and there's no interrupt. But the Present register changed to 0x01fa0000 which is strange. So I guess there's something wrong with the driver when the card is not present. sdhci0: mem 0xf0401000-0xf04010ff irq 18 at device 9.1 on pci5 sdhci0-slot0: 33MHz 4bits 3.3V DMA sdhci0-slot0: ============== REGISTER DUMP ============== sdhci0-slot0: Sys addr: 0x00000000 | Version: 0x00000200 sdhci0-slot0: Blk size: 0x00000000 | Blk cnt: 0x00000000 sdhci0-slot0: Argument: 0x00000000 | Trn mode: 0x00000000 sdhci0-slot0: Present: 0x01f20000 | Host ctl: 0x00000000 sdhci0-slot0: Power: 0x00000000 | Blk gap: 0x00000000 sdhci0-slot0: Wake-up: 0x00000000 | Clock: 0x00000000 sdhci0-slot0: Timeout: 0x0000000c | Int stat: 0x00000000 sdhci0-slot0: Int enab: 0x01ff00fb | Sig enab: 0x01ff00fb sdhci0-slot0: AC12 err: 0x00000000 | Slot int: 0x00000000 sdhci0-slot0: Caps: 0x01c021a1 | Max curr: 0x00000040 sdhci0-slot0: =========================================== I'm using hw.pci.do_power_nodriver=3 Cheers, Henry