From guru at Sisis.de Tue Jul 1 12:54:55 2008 From: guru at Sisis.de (Matthias Apitz) Date: Tue Jul 1 12:55:02 2008 Subject: RELENG_7 && ath && WPA && stuck when bgscan is active on interface Message-ID: <20080701125452.GA10729@rebelion.Sisis.de> Hello, I'm running the above configuration, RELENG_7 kernel and WPA, on an Asus laptop eeePC 900 for which one must patch the HAL with: http://snapshots.madwifi.org/special/madwifi-ng-r2756+ar5007.tar.gz ) all is fine, mostly, but when 'bgscan' is activated on the interface ath0 it get stuck reproduce-able after some time without any traffic through the interface; setting 'ifconfig ath0 -bgscan' makes the problem going away; could it be related to the bug I'm facing on another laptop with bgscan/WPA/iwi0, see: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=122331 thx matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ ?...una sola vez, que es cuanto basta si se trata de verdades definitivas.? ?...only once, which is enough if it has todo with definite truth.? Jos? Saramago, Historia del Cerca de Lisboa From sam at freebsd.org Tue Jul 1 14:25:48 2008 From: sam at freebsd.org (Sam Leffler) Date: Tue Jul 1 14:25:52 2008 Subject: RELENG_7 && ath && WPA && stuck when bgscan is active on interface In-Reply-To: <20080701125452.GA10729@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <20080701125452.GA10729@rebelion.Sisis.de> Message-ID: <486A3E6A.2090403@freebsd.org> Matthias Apitz wrote: > Hello, > > I'm running the above configuration, RELENG_7 kernel and WPA, on an Asus > laptop eeePC 900 for which one must patch the HAL with: > http://snapshots.madwifi.org/special/madwifi-ng-r2756+ar5007.tar.gz ) > all is fine, mostly, but when 'bgscan' is activated on the interface > ath0 it get stuck reproduce-able after some time without any traffic through > the interface; setting 'ifconfig ath0 -bgscan' makes the problem going > away; > > could it be related to the bug I'm facing on another laptop with > bgscan/WPA/iwi0, see: > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=122331 > The hal at http://www.freebsd.org/~sam + HEAD should work fine but note that it requires driver mods that are only in HEAD. Sorry, but I cannot help w/ random collection of untested bits. Sam From matthias.apitz at oclc.org Tue Jul 1 14:34:22 2008 From: matthias.apitz at oclc.org (Matthias Apitz) Date: Tue Jul 1 14:34:27 2008 Subject: RELENG_7 && ath && WPA && stuck when bgscan is active on interface In-Reply-To: <486A3E6A.2090403@freebsd.org> References: <20080701125452.GA10729@rebelion.Sisis.de> <486A3E6A.2090403@freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20080701143420.GA13667@rebelion.Sisis.de> El d?a Tuesday, July 01, 2008 a las 07:25:46AM -0700, Sam Leffler escribi?: > Matthias Apitz wrote: > >Hello, > > > >I'm running the above configuration, RELENG_7 kernel and WPA, on an Asus > >laptop eeePC 900 for which one must patch the HAL with: > >http://snapshots.madwifi.org/special/madwifi-ng-r2756+ar5007.tar.gz ) > >all is fine, mostly, but when 'bgscan' is activated on the interface > >ath0 it get stuck reproduce-able after some time without any traffic > >through > >the interface; setting 'ifconfig ath0 -bgscan' makes the problem going > >away; > > > >could it be related to the bug I'm facing on another laptop with > >bgscan/WPA/iwi0, see: > > > >http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=122331 > > > The hal at http://www.freebsd.org/~sam + HEAD should work fine but note > that it requires driver mods that are only in HEAD. > > Sorry, but I cannot help w/ random collection of untested bits. > > Sam Hello Sam, To what you make refer with 'random collection of untested bits', to RELENG_7 or the the above mentioned madwifi-ng-r2756+ar5007.tar.gz? the info about that is coming from this Wiki: http://wiki.freebsd.org/AsusEee is there some way to get your hal bits into RELENG_7? thx matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ ?...una sola vez, que es cuanto basta si se trata de verdades definitivas.? ?...only once, which is enough if it has todo with definite truth.? Jos? Saramago, Historia del Cerca de Lisboa From sam at freebsd.org Tue Jul 1 15:12:17 2008 From: sam at freebsd.org (Sam Leffler) Date: Tue Jul 1 15:12:24 2008 Subject: RELENG_7 && ath && WPA && stuck when bgscan is active on interface In-Reply-To: <20080701143420.GA13667@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <20080701125452.GA10729@rebelion.Sisis.de> <486A3E6A.2090403@freebsd.org> <20080701143420.GA13667@rebelion.Sisis.de> Message-ID: <486A4950.9090707@freebsd.org> Matthias Apitz wrote: > El d?a Tuesday, July 01, 2008 a las 07:25:46AM -0700, Sam Leffler escribi?: > > >> Matthias Apitz wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I'm running the above configuration, RELENG_7 kernel and WPA, on an Asus >>> laptop eeePC 900 for which one must patch the HAL with: >>> http://snapshots.madwifi.org/special/madwifi-ng-r2756+ar5007.tar.gz ) >>> all is fine, mostly, but when 'bgscan' is activated on the interface >>> ath0 it get stuck reproduce-able after some time without any traffic >>> through >>> the interface; setting 'ifconfig ath0 -bgscan' makes the problem going >>> away; >>> >>> could it be related to the bug I'm facing on another laptop with >>> bgscan/WPA/iwi0, see: >>> >>> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=122331 >>> >>> >> The hal at http://www.freebsd.org/~sam + HEAD should work fine but note >> that it requires driver mods that are only in HEAD. >> >> Sorry, but I cannot help w/ random collection of untested bits. >> >> Sam >> > > Hello Sam, > > To what you make refer with 'random collection of untested bits', to > RELENG_7 or the the above mentioned madwifi-ng-r2756+ar5007.tar.gz? > Pulling in a hal from madwifi to use w/ a freebsd driver can easily cause problems. That is what I meant by "random collection...". > the info about that is coming from this Wiki: > http://wiki.freebsd.org/AsusEee > > is there some way to get your hal bits into RELENG_7? > > The hal is not in HEAD so MFC to RELENG_7 is premature. In fact I hadn't even announced the hal for testing yet but now that I've returned from 3 weeks AFK it's probably time. I also wanted to backport all the important driver mods to RELENG_7 before saying anything but that didn't happen. Sam From info at webimpact.com.ar Wed Jul 2 03:04:13 2008 From: info at webimpact.com.ar (Ruben Gutierrez) Date: Wed Jul 2 03:04:16 2008 Subject: Acer 4720Z and Atheros wireless card In-Reply-To: <4865E008.4070108@gmail.com> References: <4865E008.4070108@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi All, I have a similar laptop, Acer 4520, and I believe it has the same Wireless card. In my case, I was able to compile a working module by using following the instructions found in http://nighthack.org/wiki/EeeBSD but using this other version of the MadWifi drivers: http://snapshots.madwifi.org/special/madwifi-hal-0.10.5.6-r3698-20080604.tar.gz Hope it helps. Ruben Gutierrez On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 3:54 AM, Manolis Kiagias wrote: > Isaac MacFarlane wrote: >> >> Hello all. I am trying to find a *NIX system that will work with this >> system. Mandriva calls the card an AR5006 and Vista said it was an AR5007. >> Vista worked fine for about a month or so, but I have decided I want to go >> all free on my systems. Mandriva will work with the card but locks up >> after >> a few hours requiring a restart. Not really acceptable. And it is the best >> I >> found in the Linux world. Would any of the BSD systems work with this >> card? >> Any recommendations would be most appreciated. >> >> Isaac MacFarlane >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mobile-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> > > > I believe this will work if you follow the instructions to build a custom > kernel, as in the eeepc: > > http://nighthack.org/wiki/EeeBSD > > However, this will not be the easiest task if you are not familiar with > FreeBSD in general. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mobile-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From matthias.apitz at oclc.org Wed Jul 2 11:50:21 2008 From: matthias.apitz at oclc.org (Matthias Apitz) Date: Wed Jul 2 11:50:27 2008 Subject: RELENG_7 && ath && WPA && stuck when bgscan is active on interface In-Reply-To: <486A4950.9090707@freebsd.org> References: <20080701125452.GA10729@rebelion.Sisis.de> <486A3E6A.2090403@freebsd.org> <20080701143420.GA13667@rebelion.Sisis.de> <486A4950.9090707@freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20080702115018.GA9269@rebelion.Sisis.de> El d?a Tuesday, July 01, 2008 a las 08:12:16AM -0700, Sam Leffler escribi?: > Pulling in a hal from madwifi to use w/ a freebsd driver can easily > cause problems. That is what I meant by "random collection...". > > >the info about that is coming from this Wiki: > >http://wiki.freebsd.org/AsusEee > > > >is there some way to get your hal bits into RELENG_7? > > > > > The hal is not in HEAD so MFC to RELENG_7 is premature. In fact I > hadn't even announced the hal for testing yet but now that I've returned > from 3 weeks AFK it's probably time. I also wanted to backport all the > important driver mods to RELENG_7 before saying anything but that didn't > happen. I'd be happy to compile and test it in RELENG_7. Just drop me a note when something is ready for test or commited; thx matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ ?...una sola vez, que es cuanto basta si se trata de verdades definitivas.? ?...only once, which is enough if it has todo with definite truth.? Jos? Saramago, Historia del Cerca de Lisboa From sam at freebsd.org Wed Jul 2 15:00:25 2008 From: sam at freebsd.org (Sam Leffler) Date: Wed Jul 2 15:00:28 2008 Subject: RELENG_7 && ath && WPA && stuck when bgscan is active on interface In-Reply-To: <20080702115018.GA9269@rebelion.Sisis.de> References: <20080701125452.GA10729@rebelion.Sisis.de> <486A3E6A.2090403@freebsd.org> <20080701143420.GA13667@rebelion.Sisis.de> <486A4950.9090707@freebsd.org> <20080702115018.GA9269@rebelion.Sisis.de> Message-ID: <486B9808.4090204@freebsd.org> Matthias Apitz wrote: > El d?a Tuesday, July 01, 2008 a las 08:12:16AM -0700, Sam Leffler escribi?: > > >> Pulling in a hal from madwifi to use w/ a freebsd driver can easily >> cause problems. That is what I meant by "random collection...". >> >> >>> the info about that is coming from this Wiki: >>> http://wiki.freebsd.org/AsusEee >>> >>> is there some way to get your hal bits into RELENG_7? >>> >>> >>> >> The hal is not in HEAD so MFC to RELENG_7 is premature. In fact I >> hadn't even announced the hal for testing yet but now that I've returned >> from 3 weeks AFK it's probably time. I also wanted to backport all the >> important driver mods to RELENG_7 before saying anything but that didn't >> happen. >> > > I'd be happy to compile and test it in RELENG_7. Just drop me a note > when something is ready for test or commited; thx > > The only issue I know about is that older parts that communicate PHY errors to the host through rx descriptors need a change (check if_ath.c:ath_calcrxfilter in HEAD). Don't wait on me, it's likely going to be a while before I can do anything. Sam From wahjava.ml at gmail.com Sat Jul 5 00:23:35 2008 From: wahjava.ml at gmail.com (Ashish Shukla =?utf-8?B?4KSG4KS24KWA4KS3IA==?= =?utf-8?B?4KS24KWB4KSV4KWN4KSy?=) Date: Sat Jul 5 00:23:42 2008 Subject: How to connect to Wireless LAN using Athereos AR5007EG ? Message-ID: <873ampqiu0.fsf@chateau.d.lf> [posted earlier but got no replies, so reposting] Hi list, I've tried HAL v. 0.10.5.6 available at Sam Leffler's user directory[1] in FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE-p2 (amd64) and Gentoo GNU/Linux (hardened/AMD64). In Gentoo GNU/Linux, I'm able to connect to a WPA2 secured network with no problems, whereas in FreeBSD, I'm only able to scan the Wireless network successfully, not able to ping any box. I've tried FreeBSD with an unencrypted network as well as encrypted network using wpa_supplicant, but except scanning nothing worked. I can associate with the access point, but thats it. I'm running FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE-p2 kernel, just replaced /usr/src/sys/contrib/dev/ath with the directory in tarball, and rebuilt all modules. abbe [ath_hal-20080528] monte-cristo% pciconf -l |grep ath0 ath0@pci0:1:0:0: class=0x020000 card=0x137b103c chip=0x001c168c rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 Any ideas ? References: [1] - http://people.freebsd.org/~sam/ath_hal-20080528.tgz Tons of thanks to Sam for posting the HAL. Ashish -- ?-- ?- ???? ?--- ?- ???- ?- ?--?-? --? -- ?- ?? ?-?? ?-?-?- -?-? --- -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 196 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-mobile/attachments/20080705/a61344fc/attachment.pgp From sam at freebsd.org Sat Jul 5 03:05:50 2008 From: sam at freebsd.org (Sam Leffler) Date: Sat Jul 5 03:05:57 2008 Subject: How to connect to Wireless LAN using Athereos AR5007EG ? In-Reply-To: <873ampqiu0.fsf@chateau.d.lf> References: <873ampqiu0.fsf@chateau.d.lf> Message-ID: <486EE509.1030003@freebsd.org> Ashish Shukla ???? ????? wrote: > [posted earlier but got no replies, so reposting] > > Hi list, > > I've tried HAL v. 0.10.5.6 available at Sam Leffler's user directory[1] > in FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE-p2 (amd64) and Gentoo GNU/Linux (hardened/AMD64). > > In Gentoo GNU/Linux, I'm able to connect to a WPA2 secured network with > no problems, whereas in FreeBSD, I'm only able to scan the Wireless > network successfully, not able to ping any box. I've tried FreeBSD with > an unencrypted network as well as encrypted network using > wpa_supplicant, but except scanning nothing worked. I can associate with > the access point, but thats it. > > I'm running FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE-p2 kernel, just replaced > /usr/src/sys/contrib/dev/ath with the directory in tarball, and rebuilt > all modules. > > abbe [ath_hal-20080528] monte-cristo% pciconf -l |grep ath0 > ath0@pci0:1:0:0: class=0x020000 card=0x137b103c chip=0x001c168c rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 > > Any ideas ? > > References: > [1] - http://people.freebsd.org/~sam/ath_hal-20080528.tgz > > Tons of thanks to Sam for posting the HAL. > HEAD works fine with 0.10.5.6 so there's something in the 7.x driver that needs to be updated. I hope to look at it this weekend. Sam From wahjava.ml at gmail.com Sat Jul 5 03:13:47 2008 From: wahjava.ml at gmail.com (=?utf-8?B?4KSG4KS24KWA4KS3IOCktuClgeCkleCljeCksg==?= Ashish Shukla) Date: Sat Jul 5 03:13:54 2008 Subject: How to connect to Wireless LAN using Athereos AR5007EG ? In-Reply-To: <486EE509.1030003@freebsd.org> References: <873ampqiu0.fsf@chateau.d.lf> <486EE509.1030003@freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20080705031403.GA17089@chateau.d.lf> ,--[ On Fri, Jul 04, 2008 at 08:05:45PM -0700, Sam Leffler wrote: > Ashish Shukla ???? ????? wrote: >> [posted earlier but got no replies, so reposting] >> >> Hi list, >> >> I've tried HAL v. 0.10.5.6 available at Sam Leffler's user directory[1] >> in FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE-p2 (amd64) and Gentoo GNU/Linux (hardened/AMD64). >> >> In Gentoo GNU/Linux, I'm able to connect to a WPA2 secured network with >> no problems, whereas in FreeBSD, I'm only able to scan the Wireless >> network successfully, not able to ping any box. I've tried FreeBSD with >> an unencrypted network as well as encrypted network using >> wpa_supplicant, but except scanning nothing worked. I can associate with >> the access point, but thats it. >> >> I'm running FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE-p2 kernel, just replaced >> /usr/src/sys/contrib/dev/ath with the directory in tarball, and rebuilt >> all modules. >> >> abbe [ath_hal-20080528] monte-cristo% pciconf -l |grep ath0 >> ath0@pci0:1:0:0: class=0x020000 card=0x137b103c chip=0x001c168c >> rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 >> >> Any ideas ? >> >> References: >> [1] - http://people.freebsd.org/~sam/ath_hal-20080528.tgz >> >> Tons of thanks to Sam for posting the HAL. >> > HEAD works fine with 0.10.5.6 so there's something in the 7.x driver that > needs to be updated. I hope to look at it this weekend. Thanks, looking forward to try new driver :) . Ashish -- ?-- ?- ???? ?--- ?- ???- ?- ?--?-? --? -- ?- ?? ?-?? ?-?-?- -?-? --- -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-mobile/attachments/20080705/2fd561e3/attachment.pgp From hans at stare.cz Sat Jul 5 18:54:09 2008 From: hans at stare.cz (Jan Stary) Date: Sat Jul 5 18:54:15 2008 Subject: xorg.conf for Compaq Armada 110 Message-ID: <20080705184200.GA24172@www.stare.cz> Dear laptopers, during the honorable quest of converting my wife's laptop from win to fbsd, I came across the following problem. It's a Compaq Armada 110; everything works as it should _except_ running X just blanks the screen and freezes the machine (can't even ping it). The graphics device is Trident Microsystems CyberBlade i1 (rev 6a) Subsystem: Compaq Computer Corporation CyberBlade i1 AGP A workaround is to specify the graphics devoce driver as (generic) "vga" instead of the (Xorg -configure)'d "trident" in xorg.conf. That makes X able to start (with a ridicuslously low resolution and ugly colors). Does someone please have a working xorg.conf for this machine? Thanks Jan From onemda at gmail.com Sat Jul 5 19:22:13 2008 From: onemda at gmail.com (Paul B. Mahol) Date: Sat Jul 5 19:22:51 2008 Subject: xorg.conf for Compaq Armada 110 In-Reply-To: <20080705184200.GA24172@www.stare.cz> References: <20080705184200.GA24172@www.stare.cz> Message-ID: <3a142e750807051222n19ccdfe3mdff2ee57a4ec36d0@mail.gmail.com> On 7/5/08, Jan Stary wrote: > Dear laptopers, > > during the honorable quest of converting my wife's laptop from win to fbsd, > I came across the following problem. > > It's a Compaq Armada 110; everything works as it should _except_ > running X just blanks the screen and freezes the machine (can't > even ping it). The graphics device is > > Trident Microsystems CyberBlade i1 (rev 6a) > Subsystem: Compaq Computer Corporation CyberBlade i1 AGP > > A workaround is to specify the graphics devoce driver as (generic) > "vga" instead of the (Xorg -configure)'d "trident" in xorg.conf. > That makes X able to start (with a ridicuslously low resolution and > ugly colors). > What about replacing "vga" with "vesa"? From hans at stare.cz Sun Jul 6 09:32:22 2008 From: hans at stare.cz (Jan Stary) Date: Sun Jul 6 09:32:30 2008 Subject: xorg.conf for Compaq Armada 110 In-Reply-To: <3a142e750807051222n19ccdfe3mdff2ee57a4ec36d0@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080705184200.GA24172@www.stare.cz> <3a142e750807051222n19ccdfe3mdff2ee57a4ec36d0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080706093129.GA31896@www.stare.cz> On Jul 05 21:22:12, Paul B. Mahol wrote: > On 7/5/08, Jan Stary wrote: > > Dear laptopers, > > > > during the honorable quest of converting my wife's laptop from win to fbsd, > > I came across the following problem. > > > > It's a Compaq Armada 110; everything works as it should _except_ > > running X just blanks the screen and freezes the machine (can't > > even ping it). The graphics device is > > > > Trident Microsystems CyberBlade i1 (rev 6a) > > Subsystem: Compaq Computer Corporation CyberBlade i1 AGP > > > > A workaround is to specify the graphics devoce driver as (generic) > > "vga" instead of the (Xorg -configure)'d "trident" in xorg.conf. > > That makes X able to start (with a ridicuslously low resolution and > > ugly colors). > > > > What about replacing "vga" with "vesa"? Good enough, thanks! jan From sdshschmidt at gmail.com Wed Jul 9 19:00:16 2008 From: sdshschmidt at gmail.com (Steve Schmidt) Date: Wed Jul 9 19:41:59 2008 Subject: S3 suspend/resume on T43p works like a charm with RELENG_7 Message-ID: <8cff488f0807091132x32a5fa06sd328a6394dc54253@mail.gmail.com> Tobias, I have a T43 and S3 suspend/resume works like a curse. Could you please post/send me your kernel conf? Thanks, Steve Schmidt From freebsd.lists at fsck.ch Wed Jul 9 20:29:34 2008 From: freebsd.lists at fsck.ch (Tobias Roth) Date: Wed Jul 9 20:29:40 2008 Subject: S3 suspend/resume on T43p works like a charm with RELENG_7 In-Reply-To: <8cff488f0807091132x32a5fa06sd328a6394dc54253@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cff488f0807091132x32a5fa06sd328a6394dc54253@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48751628.6040306@fsck.ch> On 07/09/08 20:32, Steve Schmidt wrote: > Tobias, > > I have a T43 and S3 suspend/resume works like a curse. > > Could you please post/send me your kernel conf? Sure, I sent it off-list. From sarumont at sigil.org Thu Jul 10 17:36:18 2008 From: sarumont at sigil.org (Richard Kolkovich) Date: Thu Jul 10 17:36:39 2008 Subject: [sarumont@sigil.org: Re: fprint (finger print sensor framework) port ready for testing] Message-ID: <20080710171907.GG1106@snobol> Forgot to reply to all... ----- Forwarded message from Richard Kolkovich ----- Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:19:09 -0500 From: Richard Kolkovich To: Simon Barner Subject: Re: fprint (finger print sensor framework) port ready for testing User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 08:07:40PM +0200, Simon Barner wrote: > Hi, > > I did a port [2] of the fprint finger print sensor framework [1] > and would like to receive some feedback before I commit it. > > It comes with a PAM module for finger print based authentication, a > graphical (fprint_demo) and a console (pam_fprint_enroll) application > for finger print enrollment. > > I did my tests with the UPEK sensor found in Lenovo's T61. > > Simon > > (M'fup2 ports@) > > [1] http://www.reactivated.net/fprint/wiki/Main_Page > [2] http://home.leo.org/~barner/freebsd/fprint.tar.gz > > -- > Best regards / Viele Gr??e, barner@FreeBSD.org > Simon Barner barner@gmx.de Anyone had success with this on the T43p? fprint_demo doesn't detect any devices. The kernel sees it as follows: ugen0: on uhub2 From the looks of it, the STM device is not supported by fprint, but I can't find anything online that confirms or denies this. Thanks, -- Richard Kolkovich sarumont@sigil.org ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Richard Kolkovich sarumont@sigil.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 195 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-mobile/attachments/20080710/103d092b/attachment.pgp From vlad.k.sm at gmail.com Fri Jul 11 02:57:14 2008 From: vlad.k.sm at gmail.com (Vlad K Sm) Date: Fri Jul 11 02:57:20 2008 Subject: S3 suspend/resume on T43p works like a charm with In-Reply-To: <20080710120021.0406F106569D@hub.freebsd.org> References: <20080710120021.0406F106569D@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <48762C18.5080003@gmail.com> freebsd-mobile-request@freebsd.org wrote: > Sure, I sent it off-list. > S3 suspend/resume works on my Inspiron 1505 as well but only one issue, when it resumes XWindow shows bad screen, XWindow restart helps. As I figured out it because I use 915Resolution file to be able use non-standard 1280x800. Does someone know what need to fix in 915Resolution or some workaround? Thanks, Vladimir Kuzmin From freebsd.lists at fsck.ch Fri Jul 11 06:59:30 2008 From: freebsd.lists at fsck.ch (Tobias Roth) Date: Fri Jul 11 06:59:37 2008 Subject: S3 suspend/resume on T43p works like a charm with In-Reply-To: <48762C18.5080003@gmail.com> References: <20080710120021.0406F106569D@hub.freebsd.org> <48762C18.5080003@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4dcf2de932a4c8a3c26e720dd9e7140c.squirrel@secure.socket.ch> > freebsd-mobile-request@freebsd.org wrote: >> Sure, I sent it off-list. >> > S3 suspend/resume works on my Inspiron 1505 as well but only one issue, > when it resumes XWindow shows bad screen, XWindow restart helps. As I > figured out it because I use 915Resolution file to be able use > non-standard 1280x800. Does someone know what need to fix in > 915Resolution or some workaround? In my /boot/loader.conf, I have acpi_video_load="YES" hw.acpi.reset_video="1" and that seems to be sufficient. You may also want to experiment with hw.syscons.sc_no_suspend_vtswitch, which I leave at 0 (the default). Finally, if that doesn't help, you can try to manually switch to the console (ctrl-alt-F2) before suspending, and switching back after resuming. If that helps, this step can be automated in /etc/rc.suspend and rc.resume by using something like /usr/sbin/vidcontrol -s 1 < /dev/console to switch to the console and /usr/sbin/vidcontrol -s 9 < /dev/console to switch back (you have to pick the right tty numbers). Thanks, Tobias From rpaulo at FreeBSD.org Fri Jul 11 12:05:11 2008 From: rpaulo at FreeBSD.org (Rui Paulo) Date: Fri Jul 11 12:05:17 2008 Subject: S3 suspend/resume on T43p works like a charm with In-Reply-To: <48762C18.5080003@gmail.com> References: <20080710120021.0406F106569D@hub.freebsd.org> <48762C18.5080003@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080711113957.GA1039@phi.local> On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 08:34:48PM +0500, Vlad K Sm wrote: > freebsd-mobile-request@freebsd.org wrote: > > Sure, I sent it off-list. > > > S3 suspend/resume works on my Inspiron 1505 as well but only one issue, > when it resumes XWindow shows bad screen, XWindow restart helps. As I > figured out it because I use 915Resolution file to be able use > non-standard 1280x800. Does someone know what need to fix in > 915Resolution or some workaround? Try using the intel video driver instead of i810 Xorg driver. Regards, -- Rui Paulo From freebsd at meijome.net Sat Jul 12 11:10:09 2008 From: freebsd at meijome.net (Norberto Meijome) Date: Sat Jul 12 11:10:16 2008 Subject: [sarumont@sigil.org: Re: fprint (finger print sensor framework) port ready for testing] In-Reply-To: <20080710171907.GG1106@snobol> References: <20080710171907.GG1106@snobol> Message-ID: <20080712204324.4c1df5c8@ayiin> On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:19:07 -0500 Richard Kolkovich wrote: > Forgot to reply to all... > > ----- Forwarded message from Richard Kolkovich ----- > > Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:19:09 -0500 > From: Richard Kolkovich > To: Simon Barner > Subject: Re: fprint (finger print sensor framework) port ready for testing > User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 08:07:40PM +0200, Simon Barner wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I did a port [2] of the fprint finger print sensor framework [1] > > and would like to receive some feedback before I commit it. > > > > It comes with a PAM module for finger print based authentication, a > > graphical (fprint_demo) and a console (pam_fprint_enroll) application > > for finger print enrollment. > > > > I did my tests with the UPEK sensor found in Lenovo's T61. > > > > Simon > > > > (M'fup2 ports@) > > > > [1] http://www.reactivated.net/fprint/wiki/Main_Page > > [2] http://home.leo.org/~barner/freebsd/fprint.tar.gz > > > > -- > > Best regards / Viele Gr??e, barner@FreeBSD.org > > Simon Barner barner@gmx.de > > > Anyone had success with this on the T43p? fprint_demo doesn't detect any devices. The kernel sees it as follows: > > ugen0: on uhub2 > > From the looks of it, the STM device is not supported by fprint, but I can't find anything online that confirms or denies this. hi Richard, my Thinkpad z60m seem to have a similar chip: /usr/home/betom $ dmesg -a | grep STM ugen0: on uhub2 usbdevs -v [...] Controller /dev/usb2: addr 1: full speed, self powered, config 1, UHCI root hub(0x0000), Intel(0x0000), rev 1.00 port 1 powered port 2 addr 2: full speed, power 100 mA, config 1, Biometric Coprocessor(0x2016), STMicroelectronics(0x0483), rev 0.01 [...] I have fprint_demo 0.4 installed and it detects it properly. Have you tried running as root? i think there may be some access issues to certain devices that can get in the way... b _________________________ {Beto|Norberto|Numard} Meijome Never take Life too seriously, no one gets out alive anyway. I speak for myself, not my employer. Contents may be hot. Slippery when wet. Reading disclaimers makes you go blind. Writing them is worse. You have been Warned. From sarumont at sigil.org Sun Jul 13 03:47:31 2008 From: sarumont at sigil.org (Richard Kolkovich) Date: Sun Jul 13 03:47:37 2008 Subject: [sarumont@sigil.org: Re: fprint (finger print sensor framework) port ready for testing] In-Reply-To: <20080712204324.4c1df5c8@ayiin> References: <20080710171907.GG1106@snobol> <20080712204324.4c1df5c8@ayiin> Message-ID: <20080713034735.GK1106@snobol> On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 08:43:24PM +1000, Norberto Meijome wrote: > I have fprint_demo 0.4 installed and it detects it properly. Have you tried running as root? i think there may be some access issues to certain devices that can get in the way... > > b > > _________________________ > {Beto|Norberto|Numard} Meijome > Awesome. I should have thought to try that. The port notes mentioned ugen*, so I never thought to check the permissions on usb* as well. Thanks. :) -- Richard Kolkovich sarumont@sigil.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 195 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-mobile/attachments/20080713/1e0289b6/attachment.pgp From freebsd at meijome.net Tue Jul 15 09:02:33 2008 From: freebsd at meijome.net (Norberto Meijome) Date: Tue Jul 15 09:02:39 2008 Subject: [sarumont@sigil.org: Re: fprint (finger print sensor framework) port ready for testing] In-Reply-To: <20080713034735.GK1106@snobol> References: <20080710171907.GG1106@snobol> <20080712204324.4c1df5c8@ayiin> <20080713034735.GK1106@snobol> Message-ID: <20080715190228.72dd2c27@ayiin> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 22:47:35 -0500 Richard Kolkovich wrote: > Awesome. I should have thought to try that. The port notes mentioned ugen*, so I never thought to check the permissions on usb* as well. > > Thanks. :) glad to hear it worked :) b _________________________ {Beto|Norberto|Numard} Meijome Windows: "Where do you want to go today?" Linux: "Where do you want to go tomorrow?" FreeBSD: "Are you guys coming, or what?" I speak for myself, not my employer. Contents may be hot. Slippery when wet. Reading disclaimers makes you go blind. Writing them is worse. You have been Warned. From cellfoneuk at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 06:10:13 2008 From: cellfoneuk at gmail.com (richardfone) Date: Wed Jul 16 06:10:20 2008 Subject: Free Laptop with Superfast USB Modem Message-ID: <18480707.post@talk.nabble.com> Fonehouse is going to offer NOKIA 6300 black with free laptop and USB broadband. Perfect for those who want to work or keep on top of things on the move, we?re giving away a free fone, laptop and usb broadband dongle when you connect to flext 35 with web and walk plus! This timeplan gives you any combination of 900 minutes or 1800 texts, unlimited broadband internet acces at speeds of up to 7.2 Mbps and free T-mobile Hotspots - with unlimted downloads - at over 1000 loactions nationwide. You get all this for ?50 p/m, making this package great value for money! -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Free-Laptop-with-Superfast-USB-Modem-tp18480707p18480707.html Sent from the freebsd-mobile mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From list at understudy.net Thu Jul 17 18:02:29 2008 From: list at understudy.net (Understudy) Date: Thu Jul 17 18:02:40 2008 Subject: Thinkpad T42 Message-ID: <487F8557.6010700@understudy.net> Hi All, In regards to the T42 -2373. What should I change in the xorg.conf to comply with this note from the UPDATING file? 20080627: AFFECTS: users of x11-drivers/xf86-video-ati AUTHOR: Jung-uk Kim mach64 and r128 drivers are now separated out from the ati driver. These video cards are supported by x11-drivers/xf86-video-mach64 and x11-drivers/xf86-video-r128 respectively. If you have one of the affected video cards and xorg.conf contains the following line: Driver "ati" you must specify "mach64" or "r128". Alternatively, you may install x11-drivers/xf86-video-ati to get a wrapper driver. Sincerely, Brendhan From wblock at wonkity.com Thu Jul 17 22:42:01 2008 From: wblock at wonkity.com (Warren Block) Date: Thu Jul 17 22:42:06 2008 Subject: Thinkpad T42 In-Reply-To: <487F8557.6010700@understudy.net> References: <487F8557.6010700@understudy.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Understudy wrote: > In regards to the T42 -2373. What should I change in the xorg.conf to comply > with this note from the UPDATING file? > > 20080627: > AFFECTS: users of x11-drivers/xf86-video-ati > AUTHOR: Jung-uk Kim > > mach64 and r128 drivers are now separated out from the ati driver. > These video cards are supported by x11-drivers/xf86-video-mach64 > and x11-drivers/xf86-video-r128 respectively. If you have one of > the affected video cards and xorg.conf contains the following line: > > Driver "ati" > > you must specify "mach64" or "r128". Alternatively, you may install > x11-drivers/xf86-video-ati to get a wrapper driver. The UPDATING entry is confusing. ati used to autoload one of the radeon, r128, or mach64 drivers. It doesn't any more. At this point, ati looks to just be a synonym for radeon. At least in the xorg.conf on my 2373 T42, either Driver "ati" or Driver "radeon" works. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA From smallhand at crawblog.com Sat Jul 19 04:58:07 2008 From: smallhand at crawblog.com (Edward Ruggeri) Date: Sat Jul 19 04:58:13 2008 Subject: T61 ThinkPad Wireless Message-ID: <919383240807182129y5b390d48x1a7eaa2f08711080@mail.gmail.com> I recently bought a ThinkPad with a ThinkPad 11a/b/g Wireless LAN Mini Express Adapter (AR5212). The kernel's ath driver causes a kernel panic when I use the network card (I am however able to establish a connection to the wireless router and get an IP address). Has anyone had experience with this laptop or wireless card? Thanks! Sincerely, -- Ned Ruggeri From lists at swaggi.com Sat Jul 19 14:06:52 2008 From: lists at swaggi.com (Yuri Lukin) Date: Sat Jul 19 14:06:58 2008 Subject: T61 ThinkPad Wireless In-Reply-To: <919383240807182129y5b390d48x1a7eaa2f08711080@mail.gmail.com> References: <919383240807182129y5b390d48x1a7eaa2f08711080@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080719133646.M53904@swaggi.com> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:29:28 -0500, Edward Ruggeri wrote > I recently bought a ThinkPad with a ThinkPad 11a/b/g Wireless LAN > Mini Express Adapter (AR5212). The kernel's ath driver causes a kernel > panic when I use the network card (I am however able to establish a > connection to the wireless router and get an IP address). > > Has anyone had experience with this laptop or wireless card? > > Thanks! > > Sincerely, > > -- Ned Ruggeri I've used this card on my T61 with 7.0-CURRENT and now 7.0-RELEASE without any problems for nearly a year now. From smallhand at crawblog.com Sat Jul 19 14:22:04 2008 From: smallhand at crawblog.com (Edward Ruggeri) Date: Sat Jul 19 14:22:18 2008 Subject: T61 ThinkPad Wireless In-Reply-To: <20080719133646.M53904@swaggi.com> References: <919383240807182129y5b390d48x1a7eaa2f08711080@mail.gmail.com> <20080719133646.M53904@swaggi.com> Message-ID: <919383240807190722g70238642g4c46ccbef8510a87@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 8:37 AM, Yuri Lukin wrote: > I've used this card on my T61 with 7.0-CURRENT and now 7.0-RELEASE without any > problems for nearly a year now. Do you think it would be possible to send, off list, your kernel configuration file, and maybe dmesg or pciconf -lv (actually, pciconf -lv would help determine whether our cards differ at all; Lenovo says mine has the ar5006ex chipset, but that's not what FreeBSD says)? I'm not certain what I've done wrong to cause these errors. Thanks for the feedback! Sincerely, -- Ned Ruggeri From wisco.disco at gmail.com Wed Jul 23 15:58:24 2008 From: wisco.disco at gmail.com (Doug Poland) Date: Wed Jul 23 15:58:31 2008 Subject: Wireless access points: consumer, commercial, or DIY? Message-ID: Hello, I'm a long-time FreeBSD user (servers, desktops, laptops) and have lately become disillusioned with the quality of consumer WAPs. In my home I typically run 2 FreeBSD 7.x laptops, a Windows-based laptop, an iMac, and an iPhone. My current WAP is a Linksys WAP54G and is a little over a year old. As this device ages, it frequently locks up and drops connections. This is evident on all the wireless devices I use. Prior to this WAP, I had another WAP54G and it exhibited the same behavior, which is why I replaced it. Prior to that WAP, I had a DLink that had issues. When I connect on a FreeBSD laptop, I'm typically connecting to my fast desktop running XDMCP. In this environment, I'm particularly sensitive to dropouts and connection issues between my WAP and mobile device. My current WAP54G is getting so unreliable that I cannot run remote X and be productive, so I'm in the market to replace the Linksys WAP54G. I'm not pleased with the experience's I've had at the consumer level. I'm not well-informed about products on the commercial level, other than Cisco WAPs are $500+. I've toyed with the idea of using an old PIII and turning it into a WAP, or going with something like a Soekris net5501 and building my own. I want reliable wireless in my home. So what do I need to do, to get it? I'm not convinced there's a low-cost solution. If I have to go up to commercial quality and spend near $500, I could build my own Soekris net5501-based WAP and use FreeBSD 7.x. for $100 less. What are your thoughts, experiences, and/or recommendations? -- Regards, Doug From sam at freebsd.org Wed Jul 23 16:21:04 2008 From: sam at freebsd.org (Sam Leffler) Date: Wed Jul 23 16:21:10 2008 Subject: Wireless access points: consumer, commercial, or DIY? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48875A6E.7040000@freebsd.org> Doug Poland wrote: > Hello, > > I'm a long-time FreeBSD user (servers, desktops, laptops) and have lately > become disillusioned with the quality of consumer WAPs. In my home I > typically run 2 FreeBSD 7.x laptops, a Windows-based laptop, an iMac, and an > iPhone. My current WAP is a Linksys WAP54G and is a little over a year > old. As this device ages, it frequently locks up and drops connections. > This is evident on all the wireless devices I use. Prior to this WAP, I had > another WAP54G and it exhibited the same behavior, which is why I replaced > it. Prior to that WAP, I had a DLink that had issues. > > When I connect on a FreeBSD laptop, I'm typically connecting to my fast > desktop running XDMCP. In this environment, I'm particularly sensitive to > dropouts and connection issues between my WAP and mobile device. > > My current WAP54G is getting so unreliable that I cannot run remote X and be > productive, so I'm in the market to replace the Linksys WAP54G. I'm not > pleased with the experience's I've had at the consumer level. I'm not > well-informed about products on the commercial level, other than Cisco WAPs > are $500+. I've toyed with the idea of using an old PIII and turning it > into a WAP, or going with something like a Soekris net5501 and building my > own. > > I want reliable wireless in my home. So what do I need to do, to get it? > I'm not convinced there's a low-cost solution. If I have to go up to > commercial quality and spend near $500, I could build my own Soekris > net5501-based WAP and use FreeBSD 7.x. for $100 less. > > What are your thoughts, experiences, and/or recommendations? > > Stick to a commercial product if at all possible. In the wireless world you usually get what you pay for--cheapo residential devices will not make you happy. I've had reasonable luck with this device: http://www.netgate.com/product_info.php?cPath=32&products_id=385 and with Apple products. I use this stuff purely as an AP (e.g. no routing, dhcp, dns, nat, etc.) except for my TimeCapsule which services backups. Some folks speak glowingly of OpenWRT (linux-based wireless distro) but I have no personal experience. Sam From brix at FreeBSD.org Wed Jul 23 16:34:05 2008 From: brix at FreeBSD.org (Henrik Brix Andersen) Date: Wed Jul 23 16:34:11 2008 Subject: Wireless access points: consumer, commercial, or DIY? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080723161812.GD84088@tirith.brixandersen.dk> On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 10:32:07AM -0500, Doug Poland wrote: > I want reliable wireless in my home. So what do I need to do, to get it? > I'm not convinced there's a low-cost solution. If I have to go up to > commercial quality and spend near $500, I could build my own Soekris > net5501-based WAP and use FreeBSD 7.x. for $100 less. > > What are your thoughts, experiences, and/or recommendations? I too have seen the stability problems with Linksys WRT54G and friends. At home, I use a Soekris net4801 with an atheros-based 802.11g miniPCI card and FreeBSD 7-STABLE (nanobsd) with hostapd(8) configured for WPA2-PSK CCMP. I use a few different STAs on a daily basis - a couple of laptops running FreeBSD, a laptop running Windows XP and and iPhone. None of these have seen any stability issues with my FreeBSD/hostapd based AP for the past couple of years (although I had to adjust a few ath(4) parameters back when I initially configured my AP to make it work flawlessly with Windows XP). All-in-all, I can highly recommend FreeBSD as a homebrew AP platform. Brix -- Henrik Brix Andersen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 217 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-mobile/attachments/20080723/30668bad/attachment.pgp From matheus at eternamente.info Wed Jul 23 17:22:49 2008 From: matheus at eternamente.info (Nenhum_de_Nos) Date: Wed Jul 23 17:22:55 2008 Subject: Wireless access points: consumer, commercial, or DIY? In-Reply-To: <20080723161812.GD84088@tirith.brixandersen.dk> References: <20080723161812.GD84088@tirith.brixandersen.dk> Message-ID: <9e3c7d9221597de62d0888e222f17dea.squirrel@cygnus.homeunix.com> On Wed, July 23, 2008 13:18, Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 10:32:07AM -0500, Doug Poland wrote: >> I want reliable wireless in my home. So what do I need to do, to get >> it? >> I'm not convinced there's a low-cost solution. If I have to go up to >> commercial quality and spend near $500, I could build my own Soekris >> net5501-based WAP and use FreeBSD 7.x. for $100 less. >> >> What are your thoughts, experiences, and/or recommendations? > > I too have seen the stability problems with Linksys WRT54G and > friends. > > At home, I use a Soekris net4801 with an atheros-based 802.11g miniPCI > card and FreeBSD 7-STABLE (nanobsd) with hostapd(8) configured for > WPA2-PSK CCMP. > > I use a few different STAs on a daily basis - a couple of laptops > running FreeBSD, a laptop running Windows XP and and iPhone. None of > these have seen any stability issues with my FreeBSD/hostapd based AP > for the past couple of years (although I had to adjust a few ath(4) > parameters back when I initially configured my AP to make it work > flawlessly with Windows XP). > > All-in-all, I can highly recommend FreeBSD as a homebrew AP platform. > > Brix > -- > Henrik Brix Andersen if you could share those adjustable params of you, as I also have an AP based on atheros and FreeBSD 7-STABLE and when heavily used it dies. The client that makes this is another FreeBSD 7-STABLE, also atheros based (laptop from asus - F3T). There are also other two notebooks around, Windows Vista based and their owners never complain. One is a Lineage player (I think is the most it uses from the network). just another info, since forever when boots this AP box allways complains about a interrupt storm on the atheros irq. moments after it stops. thanks, matheus -- We will call you cygnus, The God of balance you shall be From brix at FreeBSD.org Wed Jul 23 18:18:14 2008 From: brix at FreeBSD.org (Henrik Brix Andersen) Date: Wed Jul 23 18:18:20 2008 Subject: Wireless access points: consumer, commercial, or DIY? In-Reply-To: <9e3c7d9221597de62d0888e222f17dea.squirrel@cygnus.homeunix.com> References: <20080723161812.GD84088@tirith.brixandersen.dk> <9e3c7d9221597de62d0888e222f17dea.squirrel@cygnus.homeunix.com> Message-ID: <20080723181811.GE84088@tirith.brixandersen.dk> On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 01:58:42PM -0300, Nenhum_de_Nos wrote: > if you could share those adjustable params of you, as I also have an AP > based on atheros and FreeBSD 7-STABLE and when heavily used it dies. The > client that makes this is another FreeBSD 7-STABLE, also atheros based > (laptop from asus - F3T). I had to make adjustments to the hw.ath.hal.sw_brt and hw.ath.hal.dma_brt sysctls to make the values better suited for the PCI bus of the soekris. Brix -- Henrik Brix Andersen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 217 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-mobile/attachments/20080723/fea88064/attachment.pgp From lists at swaggi.com Wed Jul 23 18:44:15 2008 From: lists at swaggi.com (Yuri Lukin) Date: Wed Jul 23 18:44:21 2008 Subject: Wireless access points: consumer, commercial, or DIY? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080723183152.M82033@swaggi.com> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:32:07 -0500, Doug Poland wrote > > I want reliable wireless in my home. So what do I need to do, to > get it? I'm not convinced there's a low-cost solution. If I have to > go up to commercial quality and spend near $500, I could build my > own Soekris net5501-based WAP and use FreeBSD 7.x. for $100 less. > > What are your thoughts, experiences, and/or recommendations? > I went the DIY route and got a few Soekris Net45xx and PC Engines WRAP 2C boards with Atheros cards running CURRENT. You can check out some products from vendors like wlanparts.com, wisp-router.com and hyperlinktech.com. From dougb at FreeBSD.org Wed Jul 23 18:59:51 2008 From: dougb at FreeBSD.org (Doug Barton) Date: Wed Jul 23 19:00:01 2008 Subject: Wireless access points: consumer, commercial, or DIY? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48877965.7080408@FreeBSD.org> Doug Poland wrote: > Hello, > > I'm a long-time FreeBSD user (servers, desktops, laptops) and have lately > become disillusioned with the quality of consumer WAPs. This is an are where you usually get what you pay for, unless you are unlucky enough to buy something expensive that sucks. :-/ I personally have had very good luck with the older versions (4 and 3.1) of the Linksys WRT54G (the models that were Linux based). I've run various 3rd party firmwares, as well as the stock firmware and always had good results. The ones I'm running now are 3 years old and not showing any signs of slowing down. I'm currently running X-Wrt which is the OpenWrt code base with a better web interface and bug fixes. The OpenWrt developers froze their "whiterussian" release sometime back to focus on development for their new "kamikaze" branch, but that branch has taken a few left turns and hasn't settled down yet. You can read about the differences on the OpenWrt web site. I'm happy with the latest build of the X-Wrt whiterussian branch. Use the default_extra version since it includes the wireless stuff. I am also using tunnelbroker.net to add native-looking IPv6 to my home network. Here is what I did to accomplish that: http://www.tunnelbroker.net/forums/index.php?topic=106.0 Finally, Warner posted a good article on how to roll your own with FreeBSD: http://bsdimp.blogspot.com/2008/07/quick-guide-to-freebsd-hostap-for.html hth, Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection From lists at jnielsen.net Wed Jul 23 19:15:21 2008 From: lists at jnielsen.net (John Nielsen) Date: Wed Jul 23 19:15:27 2008 Subject: Wireless access points: consumer, commercial, or DIY? In-Reply-To: <20080723181811.GE84088@tirith.brixandersen.dk> References: <9e3c7d9221597de62d0888e222f17dea.squirrel@cygnus.homeunix.com> <20080723181811.GE84088@tirith.brixandersen.dk> Message-ID: <200807231456.58624.lists@jnielsen.net> On Wednesday 23 July 2008, Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 01:58:42PM -0300, Nenhum_de_Nos wrote: > > if you could share those adjustable params of you, as I also have an AP > > based on atheros and FreeBSD 7-STABLE and when heavily used it dies. > > The client that makes this is another FreeBSD 7-STABLE, also atheros > > based (laptop from asus - F3T). > > I had to make adjustments to the hw.ath.hal.sw_brt and > hw.ath.hal.dma_brt sysctls to make the values better suited for the > PCI bus of the soekris. FWIW I'm happy with my FreeBSD- and Atheros-based access point and I didn't have to do anything special to get it working properly. I was already using the FreeBSD box as a NAT gateway though so YMMV. I've had good luck with some D-Link products but it depends on the (individual) device, and I agree with the OP's sentiments about "consumer" quality hardware. JN From lee at adacore.com Wed Jul 23 19:53:52 2008 From: lee at adacore.com (Albert Lee) Date: Wed Jul 23 19:53:59 2008 Subject: Wireless access points: consumer, commercial, or DIY? In-Reply-To: <200807231456.58624.lists@jnielsen.net> References: <9e3c7d9221597de62d0888e222f17dea.squirrel@cygnus.homeunix.com> <20080723181811.GE84088@tirith.brixandersen.dk> <200807231456.58624.lists@jnielsen.net> Message-ID: <20080723193540.GA10807@adacore.com> On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 02:56:58PM -0400, John Nielsen wrote: > I've had good luck with some D-Link products but it depends on the > (individual) device, and I agree with the OP's sentiments about "consumer" > quality hardware. D-Link's DGL-4300 works wonderfully for me. I did a fair amount of research before settling on this, and the reviews I read do bash some D-Link devices but the 4300 seems to be a solid product. If I had to do it all over again I'd get a Cisco 851W which is a router with wireless access point built in. -Albert From lambert at lambertfam.org Wed Jul 23 20:26:48 2008 From: lambert at lambertfam.org (Scott Lambert) Date: Wed Jul 23 20:26:55 2008 Subject: Wireless access points: consumer, commercial, or DIY? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080723201350.GA25560@sysmon.tcworks.net> On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 10:32:07AM -0500, Doug Poland wrote: > Hello, > > I'm a long-time FreeBSD user (servers, desktops, laptops) and have lately > become disillusioned with the quality of consumer WAPs. > > I want reliable wireless in my home. So what do I need to do, to get it? > I'm not convinced there's a low-cost solution. If I have to go up to > commercial quality and spend near $500, I could build my own Soekris > net5501-based WAP and use FreeBSD 7.x. for $100 less. > > What are your thoughts, experiences, and/or recommendations? If you do go the homebrew route, be sure to check out www.pfSense.org. I've not used it as a WAP, yet, but it makes a dandy embedded FreeBSD/pf router. There are several small form factor boards you can use to do this. Using the Soekris/other SBC setup would probably save you money long term versus just putting it on a PIII. But you could see if that general idea works for you on a spare PIII before deciding to spend the real money. -- Scott Lambert KC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lambert@lambertfam.org From mbennett at claritysoftwaresystems.com Thu Jul 24 01:09:28 2008 From: mbennett at claritysoftwaresystems.com (Mark Bennett) Date: Thu Jul 24 01:09:35 2008 Subject: Wireless access points: consumer, commercial, or DIY? In-Reply-To: <48877965.7080408@FreeBSD.org> References: <48877965.7080408@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: <4887B5AC.3010908@claritysoftwaresystems.com> > I'm currently running X-Wrt which is the OpenWrt code base with a > better web interface and bug fixes. You might also look at dd-wrt here: http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page I purchased and flashed a Linksys WRT54g Version 8 device, and used it at home for a few weeks with zero problems. I'm planning to install it for a commercial client. I became frustrated with the feature set on reasonably priced APs (try finding one that you can bridge to another AP securely, and good luck to you), as well as unreliable performance. Short of going to a Cisco or some other commercial level product, this seemed to be the best route. dd-wrt has a very full feature set. Some of the hardware mentioned on the dd-wrt site is commercial grade, look at Ubiquti among others. Good luck, Mark From sam at freebsd.org Thu Jul 24 01:14:26 2008 From: sam at freebsd.org (Sam Leffler) Date: Thu Jul 24 01:14:32 2008 Subject: Wireless access points: consumer, commercial, or DIY? In-Reply-To: <4887B5AC.3010908@claritysoftwaresystems.com> References: <48877965.7080408@FreeBSD.org> <4887B5AC.3010908@claritysoftwaresystems.com> Message-ID: <4887D76E.2070901@freebsd.org> Mark Bennett wrote: >> I'm currently running X-Wrt which is the OpenWrt code base with a >> better web interface and bug fixes. > > You might also look at dd-wrt here: > > http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page > > I purchased and flashed a Linksys WRT54g Version 8 device, and used it > at home for a few weeks with zero problems. I'm planning to install it > for a commercial client. I became frustrated with the feature set on > reasonably priced APs (try finding one that you can bridge to another AP > securely, and good luck to you), as well as unreliable performance. > Short of going to a Cisco or some other commercial level product, this > seemed to be the best route. dd-wrt has a very full feature set. > > Some of the hardware mentioned on the dd-wrt site is commercial grade, > look at Ubiquti among others. Good luck, FreeBSD HEAD is the only open source system that does Dynamic WDS (DWDS). If you want to "bridge to another AP securely" it is the really the only thing to use. Sam From frank at exit.com Thu Jul 24 14:34:34 2008 From: frank at exit.com (Frank Mayhar) Date: Thu Jul 24 14:34:41 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? Message-ID: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, sigh, so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions from this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't read -mobile). My criteria: * 3D acceleration. * MiniPCI wireless (don't care which card, I'll replace it anyway). * At least 15" screen. * Decent power consumption. * Plays well with FreeBSD 7-stable. Nice to have: * Dual core. * >4GB memory. * Working suspend/hibernate mode (and no, I'm not holding my breath). So, suggestions? BTW, if I get a decent response I'll summarize it for the list, along with the one I chose and my experience after ordering/installing it. -- Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/ Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/ http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/ http://www.zazzle.com/fmayhar* From zam4ever at gmail.com Thu Jul 24 15:07:57 2008 From: zam4ever at gmail.com (Zamri Besar) Date: Thu Jul 24 15:08:03 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:34 PM, Frank Mayhar wrote: > My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, sigh, > so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions from > this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't > read -mobile). > > My criteria: > * 3D acceleration. > * MiniPCI wireless (don't care which card, I'll replace it > anyway). > * At least 15" screen. > * Decent power consumption. > * Plays well with FreeBSD 7-stable. > > Nice to have: > * Dual core. > * >4GB memory. > * Working suspend/hibernate mode (and no, I'm not holding my > breath). > > So, suggestions? BTW, if I get a decent response I'll summarize it for > the list, along with the one I chose and my experience after > ordering/installing it. > > If cost is not a big problem, then IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad Series (I prefer T-series) is the best from my past experiences. And you may check following articles for further tips/advices: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/laptop/index.html http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/ http://tuxmobil.org/mobile_bsd.html and off-course, freebsd-mobile archive: http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile -- Thank you. -zamri- From koitsu at FreeBSD.org Thu Jul 24 20:39:02 2008 From: koitsu at FreeBSD.org (Jeremy Chadwick) Date: Thu Jul 24 20:39:09 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> Message-ID: <20080724202140.GA2893@eos.sc1.parodius.com> On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:39:22PM +0800, Zamri Besar wrote: > On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:34 PM, Frank Mayhar wrote: > > > My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, sigh, > > so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions from > > this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't > > read -mobile). > > > > My criteria: > > * 3D acceleration. > > * MiniPCI wireless (don't care which card, I'll replace it > > anyway). > > * At least 15" screen. > > * Decent power consumption. > > * Plays well with FreeBSD 7-stable. > > > > Nice to have: > > * Dual core. > > * >4GB memory. > > * Working suspend/hibernate mode (and no, I'm not holding my > > breath). > > > > So, suggestions? BTW, if I get a decent response I'll summarize it for > > the list, along with the one I chose and my experience after > > ordering/installing it. > > > > > > If cost is not a big problem, then IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad Series (I prefer > T-series) is the best from my past experiences. And you may check following > articles for further tips/advices: > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/laptop/index.html > http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/ > http://tuxmobil.org/mobile_bsd.html > > and off-course, freebsd-mobile archive: > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile And if you go with Lenovo, be aware that their T60/T60p/T61/T61p series (and possibly the X-series) are known to sport very high temperatures. Some people have reported temperatures of nearly 90C on their GPU (when idling), which has a direct effect on the overall temperature of the CPU (due to close proximity) and so on. This requires the fan to be on at almost all times (usually low-speed mode). Others have it worse (the laptop literally shutting off in the middle of operation): http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/stable/2008-06/msg00020.html Many of these laptops emit a strange high-pitch electrical noise which fluxuates in frequency and amplitude; of course, a lot of people can't hear it, which is good for them. This was tracked down to some power saving features listed in the BIOS (of both the CPU and the chipset), which you can disable: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_high_pitch_noises Be sure to look at http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T60p, specifically the very bottom of the page. You'll notice a very large number of problem entries. A lot of them have no real response from Lenovo. Draw your own conclusions. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From matheus at eternamente.info Thu Jul 24 21:04:46 2008 From: matheus at eternamente.info (Nenhum_de_Nos) Date: Thu Jul 24 21:04:53 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: <20080724202140.GA2893@eos.sc1.parodius.com> References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <20080724202140.GA2893@eos.sc1.parodius.com> Message-ID: <6052d0c1b836ba4c65d70293dc6488e1.squirrel@cygnus.homeunix.com> On Thu, July 24, 2008 17:21, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:39:22PM +0800, Zamri Besar wrote: >> On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:34 PM, Frank Mayhar wrote: >> >> > My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, >> sigh, >> > so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions from >> > this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't >> > read -mobile). >> > >> > My criteria: >> > * 3D acceleration. >> > * MiniPCI wireless (don't care which card, I'll replace it >> > anyway). >> > * At least 15" screen. >> > * Decent power consumption. >> > * Plays well with FreeBSD 7-stable. >> > >> > Nice to have: >> > * Dual core. >> > * >4GB memory. >> > * Working suspend/hibernate mode (and no, I'm not holding my >> > breath). >> > >> > So, suggestions? BTW, if I get a decent response I'll summarize it >> for >> > the list, along with the one I chose and my experience after >> > ordering/installing it. >> > >> > >> >> If cost is not a big problem, then IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad Series (I prefer >> T-series) is the best from my past experiences. And you may check >> following >> articles for further tips/advices: >> >> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/laptop/index.html >> http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/ >> http://tuxmobil.org/mobile_bsd.html >> >> and off-course, freebsd-mobile archive: >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile > > And if you go with Lenovo, be aware that their T60/T60p/T61/T61p series > (and possibly the X-series) are known to sport very high temperatures. > Some people have reported temperatures of nearly 90C on their GPU (when > idling), which has a direct effect on the overall temperature of the CPU > (due to close proximity) and so on. This requires the fan to be on at > almost all times (usually low-speed mode). Others have it worse (the > laptop literally shutting off in the middle of operation): > > http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/stable/2008-06/msg00020.html > > Many of these laptops emit a strange high-pitch electrical noise which > fluxuates in frequency and amplitude; of course, a lot of people can't > hear it, which is good for them. This was tracked down to some power > saving features listed in the BIOS (of both the CPU and the chipset), > which you can disable: > http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_high_pitch_noises > > Be sure to look at http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T60p, > specifically the very bottom of the page. You'll notice a very large > number of problem entries. A lot of them have no real response from > Lenovo. > > Draw your own conclusions. > > -- > | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | > | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | > | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | > | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mobile-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" My Asus F3T behaves very alike. The GPU gets too much hot and then everything else suffers. Although I never saw any temperature based forced shutdown, I can't say its impossible. Well, I read in the net that Turions are really much hotter, but when running windows and some linux it is not that hot. apart from this, and the last year harddisk load_cycle-will-kill-your-hd bug, everything but the sound volume works fine. Atheros wifi is ok, nfe based ethernet is ok, just never had any device to test bluetooth. the nVidia vga also runs fine. matheus -- We will call you cygnus, The God of balance you shall be From mbennett at claritysoftwaresystems.com Thu Jul 24 21:33:05 2008 From: mbennett at claritysoftwaresystems.com (Mark Bennett) Date: Thu Jul 24 21:33:12 2008 Subject: Wireless access points: consumer, commercial, or DIY? In-Reply-To: <4887D76E.2070901@freebsd.org> References: <48877965.7080408@FreeBSD.org> <4887B5AC.3010908@claritysoftwaresystems.com> <4887D76E.2070901@freebsd.org> Message-ID: <4888F509.6030508@claritysoftwaresystems.com> Sam, > FreeBSD HEAD is the only open source system that does Dynamic WDS > (DWDS). If you want to "bridge to another AP securely" it is the > really the only thing to use. I won't argue that your knowledge of the capabilities of FreeBSD wireless surpass mine, and probably that of anyone else. But I will bring up a couple of points. First, I have been watching this list and others related to FreeBSD for 2-3 years, as well as working with the O/S when time allows, which is rare. This is the first time in my recollection that I have seen the term "FreeBSD HEAD" used. What is that? It certainly isn't mentioned in the on-line documentation that I can find. I get a lot of hits when I Google it, but no real definition. Dynamic Wireless Distribution System I understand. I also understand I could setup a desktop or laptop as an AP, which is documented very well. Nothing in the docs on DWDS that I can find. Maybe that capability is automagically accomplished when two APs are setup? No, I'm a little too skeptical to believe that. When I came across dd-wrt I was actually looking for a wireless FreeBSD system embedded on an appliance. I never found one. Do you know of one? I would certainly be interested in that. dd-wrt is Linux based and I distrust Linux for many reasons, but it's sure better than the firmware that ships with most wireless appliances. Most hardware APs say they will bridge or relay to another AP, but when you dig into it a little you will find that they only support WEP encryption, which I will not use. That is a key requirement, at minimum the full support of WPA across the entire network. Thanks, Mark From sam at freebsd.org Thu Jul 24 21:48:11 2008 From: sam at freebsd.org (Sam Leffler) Date: Thu Jul 24 21:48:18 2008 Subject: Wireless access points: consumer, commercial, or DIY? In-Reply-To: <4888F509.6030508@claritysoftwaresystems.com> References: <48877965.7080408@FreeBSD.org> <4887B5AC.3010908@claritysoftwaresystems.com> <4887D76E.2070901@freebsd.org> <4888F509.6030508@claritysoftwaresystems.com> Message-ID: <4888F897.5040609@freebsd.org> Mark Bennett wrote: > Sam, > >> FreeBSD HEAD is the only open source system that does Dynamic WDS >> (DWDS). If you want to "bridge to another AP securely" it is the >> really the only thing to use. > > I won't argue that your knowledge of the capabilities of FreeBSD > wireless surpass mine, and probably that of anyone else. But I will > bring up a couple of points. > > First, I have been watching this list and others related to FreeBSD > for 2-3 years, as well as working with the O/S when time allows, which > is rare. This is the first time in my recollection that I have seen > the term "FreeBSD HEAD" used. What is that? It certainly isn't > mentioned in the on-line documentation that I can find. I get a lot > of hits when I Google it, but no real definition. HEAD = "top of trunk"; i.e. the latest code in the tree. > > Dynamic Wireless Distribution System I understand. I also understand > I could setup a desktop or laptop as an AP, which is documented very > well. Nothing in the docs on DWDS that I can find. Maybe that > capability is automagically accomplished when two APs are setup? No, > I'm a little too skeptical to believe that. DWDS is WDS negotiated over a regular infrastucture peering; i.e. you piggyback on the normal sta->ap association. Because there is a normal association you can use existing facilities like WPA to secure the WDS links. You also can name endpoints by SSID or whatever and peers follow an AP that changes channels (e.g. due to radar detection). Yes some WDS implementations have some of these features but they are basically adhoc and don't fit into the original WDS notions where peer relationships are fixed and based on BSSID. If you want to learn about the mechanics there are test scripts in the tools/tools/net80211/scripts directory. Otherwise I've not written up anything specific. DWDS was jointly developed with Apple and Atheros and is what Apple uses in their Airport+TimeCapsule products. > > When I came across dd-wrt I was actually looking for a wireless > FreeBSD system embedded on an appliance. I never found one. Do you > know of one? I would certainly be interested in that. > > dd-wrt is Linux based and I distrust Linux for many reasons, but it's > sure better than the firmware that ships with most wireless > appliances. Most hardware APs say they will bridge or relay to > another AP, but when you dig into it a little you will find that they > only support WEP encryption, which I will not use. That is a key > requirement, at minimum the full support of WPA across the entire > network. > You get WPA for free w/ DWDS. The *user-level code* in HEAD is not production quality IMO but good enough for demonstration. At some point the code in tools/tools/net80211/wlanwds should be integrated with hostapd. Sam From unk.nown at unix.net Thu Jul 24 23:10:45 2008 From: unk.nown at unix.net (jt) Date: Thu Jul 24 23:10:53 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: <6052d0c1b836ba4c65d70293dc6488e1.squirrel@cygnus.homeunix.com> References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <20080724202140.GA2893@eos.sc1.parodius.com> <6052d0c1b836ba4c65d70293dc6488e1.squirrel@cygnus.homeunix.com> Message-ID: <9f8af95f0807241542p1954fe67pff35966f495c9618@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Nenhum_de_Nos wrote: > > On Thu, July 24, 2008 17:21, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:39:22PM +0800, Zamri Besar wrote: > >> On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:34 PM, Frank Mayhar wrote: > >> > >> > My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, > >> sigh, > >> > so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions from > >> > this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't > >> > read -mobile). > >> > > >> > My criteria: > >> > * 3D acceleration. > >> > * MiniPCI wireless (don't care which card, I'll replace it > >> > anyway). > >> > * At least 15" screen. > >> > * Decent power consumption. > >> > * Plays well with FreeBSD 7-stable. > >> > > >> > Nice to have: > >> > * Dual core. > >> > * >4GB memory. > >> > * Working suspend/hibernate mode (and no, I'm not holding my > >> > breath). > >> > > >> > So, suggestions? BTW, if I get a decent response I'll summarize it > >> for > >> > the list, along with the one I chose and my experience after > >> > ordering/installing it. > >> > > >> > > >> > >> If cost is not a big problem, then IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad Series (I prefer > >> T-series) is the best from my past experiences. And you may check > >> following > >> articles for further tips/advices: > >> > >> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/laptop/index.html > >> http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/ > >> http://tuxmobil.org/mobile_bsd.html > >> > >> and off-course, freebsd-mobile archive: > >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile > > > > And if you go with Lenovo, be aware that their T60/T60p/T61/T61p series > > (and possibly the X-series) are known to sport very high temperatures. > > Some people have reported temperatures of nearly 90C on their GPU (when > > idling), which has a direct effect on the overall temperature of the CPU > > (due to close proximity) and so on. This requires the fan to be on at > > almost all times (usually low-speed mode). Others have it worse (the > > laptop literally shutting off in the middle of operation): > > > > > http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/stable/2008-06/msg00020.html > > > > Many of these laptops emit a strange high-pitch electrical noise which > > fluxuates in frequency and amplitude; of course, a lot of people can't > > hear it, which is good for them. This was tracked down to some power > > saving features listed in the BIOS (of both the CPU and the chipset), > > which you can disable: > > http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_high_pitch_noises > > > > Be sure to look at http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T60p, > > specifically the very bottom of the page. You'll notice a very large > > number of problem entries. A lot of them have no real response from > > Lenovo. > > > > Draw your own conclusions. > > > > -- > > | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | > > | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | > > | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | > > | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mobile-unsubscribe@freebsd.org > " > > My Asus F3T behaves very alike. The GPU gets too much hot and then > everything else suffers. Although I never saw any temperature based forced > shutdown, I can't say its impossible. Well, I read in the net that Turions > are really much hotter, but when running windows and some linux it is not > that hot. > > apart from this, and the last year harddisk load_cycle-will-kill-your-hd > bug, everything but the sound volume works fine. Atheros wifi is ok, nfe > based ethernet is ok, just never had any device to test bluetooth. the > nVidia vga also runs fine. > > matheus > > > -- > We will call you cygnus, > The God of balance you shall be > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > all, I'm currently running a lenovo x61 tablet without much complaint -- i *do* notice that it gets hot from time to time -- its much better if its run on desk rather than a lap ;p -- ACPI is still a little shaky -- if you plan on getting a iwi miniPCI -- namely 4965 and the like there IS a driver for it and it currently is in -CURRENT -- you can also patch this to 7.0 with the perforce code -- both of those should be readily available on the freebsd page wiki -- i would recommend tracking current if i were on a laptop since more things are getting merged in the development and i find freebsd moving towards a more mobile and desktop world even though we are still focused on servers -- i expect you will not get sleep working since its easier i find for it to sleep than wake up -- thinkpads seem to work well and in my experience i find more and more programmers and open source oriented people getting them -- the nature of the projects sort of make people write code and drivers for the hardware that they have instead of just randomly supporting other machines -- subscribing to the acpi list might not be a bad idea -- i would poke them as well for a few hints if suspend is a huge deal for you -- hope this helps a bit respectfully -- jt From gaijin.k at gmail.com Fri Jul 25 00:19:52 2008 From: gaijin.k at gmail.com (Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko) Date: Fri Jul 25 00:19:59 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> Message-ID: <1216945181.1179.23.camel@RabbitsDen> On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 22:39 +0800, Zamri Besar wrote: > On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:34 PM, Frank Mayhar wrote: > > > My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, sigh, > > so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions from > > this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't > > read -mobile). > > > > My criteria: > > * 3D acceleration. > > * MiniPCI wireless (don't care which card, I'll replace it > > anyway). > > * At least 15" screen. > > * Decent power consumption. > > * Plays well with FreeBSD 7-stable. > > > > Nice to have: > > * Dual core. > > * >4GB memory. > > * Working suspend/hibernate mode (and no, I'm not holding my > > breath). > > > > So, suggestions? BTW, if I get a decent response I'll summarize it for > > the list, along with the one I chose and my experience after > > ordering/installing it. > > > > > > If cost is not a big problem, then IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad Series (I prefer > T-series) is the best from my past experiences. And you may check following As someone who used (and use) 360, 701C, T30, T42p, X60 and T61p, I wholeheartedly agree with "past experiences"... with "past" being a key word. While I could not complain about FreeBSD support (none of the FreeBSD problems I have are ThinkPad-specific), manufacturing quality has gone down considerably. My not-two-years-old X60 chipped in places and my wife's 8-months-old T61p is no longer capable of keeping the screen upright. This is in the stark contrast with T42p I (ab)used for $work for more than three years, with the only visible outcome being loss of the caption on the "Enter" key. Battery on my X60 died few weeks past 1-year warranty ;-( Just 2c worth of the data points. -- Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko (????????? ?????????) From gaijin.k at gmail.com Fri Jul 25 00:20:03 2008 From: gaijin.k at gmail.com (Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko) Date: Fri Jul 25 00:20:09 2008 Subject: Wireless access points: consumer, commercial, or DIY? In-Reply-To: <4887B5AC.3010908@claritysoftwaresystems.com> References: <48877965.7080408@FreeBSD.org> <4887B5AC.3010908@claritysoftwaresystems.com> Message-ID: <1216943456.1179.3.camel@RabbitsDen> On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 17:50 -0500, Mark Bennett wrote: > > I'm currently running X-Wrt which is the OpenWrt code base with a > > better web interface and bug fixes. > > You might also look at dd-wrt here: > > http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page > > I purchased and flashed a Linksys WRT54g Version 8 device, and used it > at home for a few weeks with zero problems. I'm planning to install it > for a commercial client. I became frustrated with the feature set on > reasonably priced APs (try finding one that you can bridge to another AP > securely, and good luck to you), as well as unreliable performance. > Short of going to a Cisco or some other commercial level product, this > seemed to be the best route. dd-wrt has a very full feature set. Are you really running full DD-WRT (as opposed to "micro") on v8 device, or was statement about full feature set unrelated? > > Some of the hardware mentioned on the dd-wrt site is commercial grade, > look at Ubiquti among others. Good luck, > > Mark > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mobile-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko (????????? ?????????) From hartzell at alerce.com Fri Jul 25 04:00:31 2008 From: hartzell at alerce.com (George Hartzell) Date: Fri Jul 25 04:00:37 2008 Subject: Wireless access points: consumer, commercial, or DIY? In-Reply-To: <4888F509.6030508@claritysoftwaresystems.com> References: <48877965.7080408@FreeBSD.org> <4887B5AC.3010908@claritysoftwaresystems.com> <4887D76E.2070901@freebsd.org> <4888F509.6030508@claritysoftwaresystems.com> Message-ID: <18569.19252.10755.889165@almost.alerce.com> Mark Bennett writes: > [...] > When I came across dd-wrt I was actually looking for a wireless FreeBSD > system embedded on an appliance. I never found one. Do you know of > one? I would certainly be interested in that. > [...] On the mainstream end, how 'bout: pfsense or m0n0wall or just plain -STABLE on a soekris or an alix? Slightly more adventurous, how 'bout: http://www.embeddedfreebsd.org/boards.html g. From vova at fbsd.ru Fri Jul 25 13:29:21 2008 From: vova at fbsd.ru (Vladimir Grebenschikov) Date: Fri Jul 25 13:29:27 2008 Subject: Hard lockup CURRENT lockup with ath0 and no wireless networks in proximity Message-ID: <1216991500.1765.35.camel@localhost> Hi all I have more or less recent 8-CURRENT. And I've noticed that attempt to start wireless (start of wpa_supplicatnt) when there is no wireless networks in proximity leads to hard lockup of notebook, even DDB can't be called. I have IBM T60 with: FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT #3: Tue Jul 15 14:42:12 MSD 2008 root@vbook:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/VBOOK ath_hal: 0.9.20.3 (AR5210, AR5211, AR5212, RF5111, RF5112, RF2413, RF5413) ath0: mem 0xedf00000-0xedf0ffff irq 17 at device 0.0 on pci3 ath0: [ITHREAD] ath0: WARNING: using obsoleted if_watchdog interface ath0: mac 10.3 phy 6.1 radio 10.2 wlan0: Ethernet address: 00:19:7d:44:44:44 Once I've noticed extremely high interrupt rate before lockup. In case when there is wireless networks around everything goes as expected. Any hints will be very appreciated. -- Vladimir B. Grebenschikov vova@fbsd.ru From rwatson at FreeBSD.org Fri Jul 25 15:15:28 2008 From: rwatson at FreeBSD.org (Robert Watson) Date: Fri Jul 25 15:15:35 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: <20080724202140.GA2893@eos.sc1.parodius.com> References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <20080724202140.GA2893@eos.sc1.parodius.com> Message-ID: <20080725155502.Q21557@fledge.watson.org> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > And if you go with Lenovo, be aware that their T60/T60p/T61/T61p series (and > possibly the X-series) are known to sport very high temperatures. Some > people have reported temperatures of nearly 90C on their GPU (when idling), > which has a direct effect on the overall temperature of the CPU (due to > close proximity) and so on. This requires the fan to be on at almost all > times (usually low-speed mode). Others have it worse (the laptop literally > shutting off in the middle of operation): Likewise, I've had difficulty with the z60t, which has suspend issues (it doesn't), and occasional atheros flakiness that I have been meaning to bug Sam about but haven't had time to do so as yet. Sadly, the battery failed quite quickly once the warranty expired, so I barely use it anymore, which is something of a shame but left me with a bad impression. Robert N M Watson Computer Laboratory University of Cambridge > > http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/stable/2008-06/msg00020.html > > Many of these laptops emit a strange high-pitch electrical noise which > fluxuates in frequency and amplitude; of course, a lot of people can't > hear it, which is good for them. This was tracked down to some power > saving features listed in the BIOS (of both the CPU and the chipset), > which you can disable: > http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_high_pitch_noises > > Be sure to look at http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T60p, > specifically the very bottom of the page. You'll notice a very large > number of problem entries. A lot of them have no real response from > Lenovo. > > Draw your own conclusions. > > -- > | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | > | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | > | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | > | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From mbennett at claritysoftwaresystems.com Fri Jul 25 15:29:42 2008 From: mbennett at claritysoftwaresystems.com (Mark Bennett) Date: Fri Jul 25 15:29:49 2008 Subject: Wireless access points: consumer, commercial, or DIY? In-Reply-To: <1216943456.1179.3.camel@RabbitsDen> References: <48877965.7080408@FreeBSD.org> <4887B5AC.3010908@claritysoftwaresystems.com> <1216943456.1179.3.camel@RabbitsDen> Message-ID: <4889F159.4010804@claritysoftwaresystems.com> > > Are you really running full DD-WRT (as opposed to "micro") on v8 device, > or was statement about full feature set unrelated? > I ran this procedure first, although it has been modified slightly since then, to install the micro kernel. This is definitely a limitation. http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/How_To_Flash_the_WRT54Gv8 Mark From strontium90 at gmail.com Fri Jul 25 18:03:00 2008 From: strontium90 at gmail.com (Razmig K) Date: Fri Jul 25 18:03:06 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: <20080725120020.A428F106569E@hub.freebsd.org> References: <20080725120020.A428F106569E@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <488A0EF0.6020402@gmail.com> How about Dell models which come with Ubuntu preinstalled? (Inspiron 1525N and 1420N, XPS M1330). Don't they have higher chances of running FreeBSD smoothly? A quick glance over the hardware notes of 7.0-RELEASE and some googling around show that wireless, video and audio are supported. //rk From zbeeble at gmail.com Fri Jul 25 20:36:43 2008 From: zbeeble at gmail.com (Zaphod Beeblebrox) Date: Fri Jul 25 20:36:50 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: <488A0EF0.6020402@gmail.com> References: <20080725120020.A428F106569E@hub.freebsd.org> <488A0EF0.6020402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5f67a8c40807251307q5eac959an48de528ab89d663d@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Razmig K wrote: > How about Dell models which come with Ubuntu preinstalled? (Inspiron 1525N > and 1420N, XPS M1330). Don't they have higher chances of running FreeBSD > smoothly? A quick glance over the hardware notes of 7.0-RELEASE and some > googling around show that wireless, video and audio are supported. > One problem with most of the Dell offerings is that they use the NVidia video chipset. Now this is a plus if you're into playing a few games, but it sucks if you're running FreeBSD. One of the original requests was for >4G RAM. The NVidia binary driver only works on IA32, not AMD64 (and the opensource driver sucks at even 2D), so your RAM is practically limited to around 3.5G (depending on a few things). I also havn't seen very many laptops advertising >4G yet (4G, but not more than 4G). Personally, I have the XPS-1730. Largely I tolerate the slow binary driver for AMD64. I use IA32 when I need wine, but my use of ZFS (the 1730 has an option for 2 hard drives) seems to eat up kernel memory until wine can't start pretty quickly. The opensource driver does work and supports nice things like DPMS ---- it's just that the 2D acceleration feels very lacking and it also can't do things like scale a movie at full frame rate. This means that I tend to reboot into windoze for entertainment ... since I can't generally use IA32 mode productively anyways. Other than the video and the fact that I've never seen a Dell suspend successfully under FreeBSD, The laptop is well supported. The PCI express slots and their contents (USB or PCI) show up fine. Even the EVDO broadband modem is fairly easy to suppport. I think the only feature without any support is the SD card reader. From koitsu at FreeBSD.org Fri Jul 25 21:25:40 2008 From: koitsu at FreeBSD.org (Jeremy Chadwick) Date: Fri Jul 25 21:25:53 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: <488A0EF0.6020402@gmail.com> References: <20080725120020.A428F106569E@hub.freebsd.org> <488A0EF0.6020402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080725212540.GA8159@eos.sc1.parodius.com> On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 08:35:44PM +0300, Razmig K wrote: > How about Dell models which come with Ubuntu preinstalled? (Inspiron > 1525N and 1420N, XPS M1330). Don't they have higher chances of running > FreeBSD smoothly? A quick glance over the hardware notes of 7.0-RELEASE > and some googling around show that wireless, video and audio are > supported. A co-worker of mine has a Dell (I forget which model; I'll ask him this coming week), running Kubuntu. The overall compatibility is quite good, and I haven't heard any complaints from him. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From strontium90 at gmail.com Fri Jul 25 21:27:45 2008 From: strontium90 at gmail.com (Razmig K) Date: Fri Jul 25 21:27:56 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: <5f67a8c40807251307q5eac959an48de528ab89d663d@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080725120020.A428F106569E@hub.freebsd.org> <488A0EF0.6020402@gmail.com> <5f67a8c40807251307q5eac959an48de528ab89d663d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <488A44E6.80907@gmail.com> Zaphod Beeblebrox a ?crit : > On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Razmig K > wrote: > > How about Dell models which come with Ubuntu preinstalled? (Inspiron > 1525N and 1420N, XPS M1330). Don't they have higher chances of > running FreeBSD smoothly? A quick glance over the hardware notes of > 7.0-RELEASE and some googling around show that wireless, video and > audio are supported. > > > One problem with most of the Dell offerings is that they use the NVidia > video chipset. Now this is a plus if you're into playing a few games, > but it sucks if you're running FreeBSD. One of the original requests > was for >4G RAM. The NVidia binary driver only works on IA32, not AMD64 > (and the opensource driver sucks at even 2D), so your RAM is practically > limited to around 3.5G (depending on a few things). > [...] > ---- it's just that the 2D > acceleration feels very lacking and it also can't do things like scale a > movie at full frame rate. The aforementioned Dell models offer the Intel graphics accelerator X3100 as an option, which appears to be supported pretty well on both 32 and 64 bit architectures. A fairly recent thread at PC-BSD forums reports successful use of Compiz Fusion (albeit on Ubuntu Gutsy) with this accelerator: http://forums.pcbsd.org/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=10936&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a //rk From lists at jnielsen.net Fri Jul 25 22:02:10 2008 From: lists at jnielsen.net (John Nielsen) Date: Fri Jul 25 22:02:17 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> Message-ID: <200807251802.23984.lists@jnielsen.net> On Thursday 24 July 2008, Frank Mayhar wrote: > My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, sigh, > so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions from > this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't > read -mobile). I haven't played with one hands-on, but the laptop I was going to buy until $work supplied a different one was a Fujitsu Lifebook E8410. It has a few customization options if you get it from Fujitsu directly. Among these are Intel graphics and Atheros wireless, 2 of the main things I was looking for for good FreeBSD hw support. > My criteria: > * 3D acceleration. check ought to work w/ intel(4x) driver on i386 or amd64 > * MiniPCI wireless (don't care which card, I'll replace it > anyway). AFAIK. I was planning to select the Atheros option and leave it.. > * At least 15" screen. 15.4 Wide with WSXGA+ option > * Decent power consumption. Unknown, but available 8-cell main and 6-cell modular batteries. > * Plays well with FreeBSD 7-stable. AFAIK. > Nice to have: > * Dual core. check. > * >4GB memory. =4GB avail. (can you get more on a laptop yet?) > * Working suspend/hibernate mode (and no, I'm not holding my > breath). unknown. has any progress been made WRT suspend/resume + SMP on FreeBSD in general? > > So, suggestions? BTW, if I get a decent response I'll summarize it for > the list, along with the one I chose and my experience after > ordering/installing it. Best of luck and do post your experiences. JN From chuckr at telenix.org Fri Jul 25 22:06:27 2008 From: chuckr at telenix.org (Chuck Robey) Date: Fri Jul 25 22:06:34 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: <5f67a8c40807251307q5eac959an48de528ab89d663d@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080725120020.A428F106569E@hub.freebsd.org> <488A0EF0.6020402@gmail.com> <5f67a8c40807251307q5eac959an48de528ab89d663d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <488A4826.7040509@telenix.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: > On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Razmig K wrote: > >> How about Dell models which come with Ubuntu preinstalled? (Inspiron 1525N >> and 1420N, XPS M1330). Don't they have higher chances of running FreeBSD >> smoothly? A quick glance over the hardware notes of 7.0-RELEASE and some >> googling around show that wireless, video and audio are supported. >> > > One problem with most of the Dell offerings is that they use the NVidia > video chipset. Now this is a plus if you're into playing a few games, but > it sucks if you're running FreeBSD. There is a problem is you're running the AMD64 chipsets, but I'm running a quad core processor here, and my Nvidia card (8600GTS) with it's compiled Nvidia driver works just fine. One of the original requests was for >> 4G RAM. The NVidia binary driver only works on IA32, not AMD64 (and the > opensource driver sucks at even 2D), so your RAM is practically limited to > around 3.5G (depending on a few things). I also havn't seen very many > laptops advertising >4G yet (4G, but not more than 4G). > > Personally, I have the XPS-1730. Largely I tolerate the slow binary driver > for AMD64. I use IA32 when I need wine, but my use of ZFS (the 1730 has an > option for 2 hard drives) seems to eat up kernel memory until wine can't > start pretty quickly. The opensource driver does work and supports nice > things like DPMS ---- it's just that the 2D acceleration feels very lacking > and it also can't do things like scale a movie at full frame rate. This > means that I tend to reboot into windoze for entertainment ... since I can't > generally use IA32 mode productively anyways. > > Other than the video and the fact that I've never seen a Dell suspend > successfully under FreeBSD, The laptop is well supported. The PCI express > slots and their contents (USB or PCI) show up fine. Even the EVDO broadband > modem is fairly easy to suppport. I think the only feature without any > support is the SD card reader. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiKSCYACgkQz62J6PPcoOmb/ACdGHfxU4Rpt9k9UaYYc6X2UpFD TQkAnA0hlM1UwzDJMUpAe72zJIGQ0vBN =95ZS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mezz7 at cox.net Fri Jul 25 22:42:45 2008 From: mezz7 at cox.net (Jeremy Messenger) Date: Fri Jul 25 22:42:52 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:34:32 -0500, Frank Mayhar wrote: > My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, sigh, > so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions from > this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't > read -mobile). > > My criteria: > * 3D acceleration. > * MiniPCI wireless (don't care which card, I'll replace it > anyway). > * At least 15" screen. > * Decent power consumption. > * Plays well with FreeBSD 7-stable. > > Nice to have: > * Dual core. > * >4GB memory. > * Working suspend/hibernate mode (and no, I'm not holding my > breath). > > So, suggestions? BTW, if I get a decent response I'll summarize it for > the list, along with the one I chose and my experience after > ordering/installing it. Maybe you can wait for this: http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html I didn't compare your requirements in there, thought. Cheers, Mezz -- mezz7@cox.net - mezz@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD GNOME Team http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome/ - gnome@FreeBSD.org From outbackdingo at gmail.com Sat Jul 26 04:49:23 2008 From: outbackdingo at gmail.com (Outback Dingo) Date: Sat Jul 26 04:49:30 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> Message-ID: <5635aa0d0807252121la3c7e00s41829d373c8878d5@mail.gmail.com> IBM Z series, my Z60M Titanium, runs great and still actually looks brand new being 2+ years old the X, T and Z series laptops are all decent, i cant say on quality, im still using the one i got almost three years ago with no issues. 1680x1050 on a 15'4 wide wcreen is nice also. I also have an Asus that i really havent had any issues with quite honestly. And can also say from field experience Fujitsus got some decent models available. Though take note, I dont abuse my mobile equiptment. Another way you might want to consider is a UMPC known to run FreeBSD. there are some sub-size and UMPC systems out there that will run FreeBSD nicely, ASUS makes one, and well personally im waiting on the HTC Shift to be delivered and hacked On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 5:23 AM, Jeremy Messenger wrote: > On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:34:32 -0500, Frank Mayhar wrote: > > My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, sigh, >> so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions from >> this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't >> read -mobile). >> >> My criteria: >> * 3D acceleration. >> * MiniPCI wireless (don't care which card, I'll replace it >> anyway). >> * At least 15" screen. >> * Decent power consumption. >> * Plays well with FreeBSD 7-stable. >> >> Nice to have: >> * Dual core. >> * >4GB memory. >> * Working suspend/hibernate mode (and no, I'm not holding my >> breath). >> >> So, suggestions? BTW, if I get a decent response I'll summarize it for >> the list, along with the one I chose and my experience after >> ordering/installing it. >> > > Maybe you can wait for this: > > http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html > > I didn't compare your requirements in there, thought. > > Cheers, > Mezz > > > -- > mezz7@cox.net - mezz@FreeBSD.org > FreeBSD GNOME Team > http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome/ - gnome@FreeBSD.org > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From gaijin.k at gmail.com Sat Jul 26 13:47:35 2008 From: gaijin.k at gmail.com (Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko) Date: Sat Jul 26 13:47:41 2008 Subject: Hard lockup CURRENT lockup with ath0 and no wireless networks in proximity In-Reply-To: <1216991500.1765.35.camel@localhost> References: <1216991500.1765.35.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1217080043.1167.2.camel@RabbitsDen> On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 17:11 +0400, Vladimir Grebenschikov wrote: > Hi all > > I have more or less recent 8-CURRENT. > > And I've noticed that attempt to start wireless (start of > wpa_supplicatnt) when there is no wireless networks in proximity leads > to hard lockup of notebook, even DDB can't be called. > > I have IBM T60 with: > FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT #3: Tue Jul 15 14:42:12 MSD 2008 > root@vbook:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/VBOOK > > ath_hal: 0.9.20.3 (AR5210, AR5211, AR5212, RF5111, RF5112, RF2413, > RF5413) > ath0: mem 0xedf00000-0xedf0ffff irq 17 at device 0.0 on > pci3 > ath0: [ITHREAD] > ath0: WARNING: using obsoleted if_watchdog interface > ath0: mac 10.3 phy 6.1 radio 10.2 > wlan0: Ethernet address: 00:19:7d:44:44:44 > > Once I've noticed extremely high interrupt rate before lockup. > > In case when there is wireless networks around everything goes as > expected. > > Any hints will be very appreciated. > Are you running powerd? And if yes, does the problem disappear if you stop powerd before starting wpa_supplicant? If both answers are "Yes", see: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=474718+0 +/usr/local/www/db/text/2008/freebsd-stable/20080713.freebsd-stable HTH, -- Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko (????????? ?????????) From frank at exit.com Sun Jul 27 00:56:33 2008 From: frank at exit.com (Frank Mayhar) Date: Sun Jul 27 00:56:39 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: <200807251802.23984.lists@jnielsen.net> References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <200807251802.23984.lists@jnielsen.net> Message-ID: <1217120187.37762.7.camel@jill.exit.com> On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 18:02 -0400, John Nielsen wrote: > On Thursday 24 July 2008, Frank Mayhar wrote: > > My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, sigh, > > so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions from > > this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't > > read -mobile). Turns out the issue is a known problem, although one that Dell is apparently refusing to own up to, with overheating causing problems with the power connector on the 5150 and 5160 motherboards and often with other nearby components as well. Annoying, and makes me want to stay away from Dell. > I haven't played with one hands-on, but the laptop I was going to buy until > $work supplied a different one was a Fujitsu Lifebook E8410. It has a few > customization options if you get it from Fujitsu directly. Among these are > Intel graphics and Atheros wireless, 2 of the main things I was looking for > for good FreeBSD hw support. After reading all the replies I'm actually taking your suggestion and going with Fujitsu, specifically the E8420. I'm getting the NVidia option and I'll be running in i386 mode until FreeBSD can handle the nvidia requirements for amd64 mode. Atheros wireless, WSXGA+ option and 2GB upgradable to 4. I'll keep my fingers crossed with regard to working suspend/resume but again I'm not holding my breath. They claim that with the 8-cell main and 6-cell modular battery it has a 5:30 runtime; we'll see. -- Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/ Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/ http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/ http://www.zazzle.com/fmayhar* From imp at bsdimp.com Sun Jul 27 01:27:36 2008 From: imp at bsdimp.com (M. Warner Losh) Date: Sun Jul 27 01:27:42 2008 Subject: Wireless access points: consumer, commercial, or DIY? In-Reply-To: <48877965.7080408@FreeBSD.org> References: <48877965.7080408@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: <20080726.192449.-457440741.imp@bsdimp.com> In message: <48877965.7080408@FreeBSD.org> Doug Barton writes: : Finally, Warner posted a good article on how to roll your own with : FreeBSD: : http://bsdimp.blogspot.com/2008/07/quick-guide-to-freebsd-hostap-for.html This article is just the barest basics on how to do things on FreeBSD-current with the VAP stuff that Sam did. I did it as a hack so I could 'tether' my iphone to my laptop in an area that I didn't need to worry about security at all. I'd never deploy that at my home :-) Warner From jolly at thecoffinclub.com Sun Jul 27 20:34:27 2008 From: jolly at thecoffinclub.com (Jacob Frelinger) Date: Sun Jul 27 20:34:34 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: <20080725155502.Q21557@fledge.watson.org> References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <20080724202140.GA2893@eos.sc1.parodius.com> <20080725155502.Q21557@fledge.watson.org> Message-ID: <20080725113858.09133e6b@thecoffinclub.com> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:56:11 +0100 (BST) Robert Watson wrote: > Likewise, I've had difficulty with the z60t, which has suspend issues > (it doesn't), and occasional atheros flakiness that I have been > meaning to bug Sam about but haven't had time to do so as yet. > Sadly, the battery failed quite quickly once the warranty expired, so > I barely use it anymore, which is something of a shame but left me > with a bad impression. just to report, my z60t (2511-HAU) suspends and resumes pretty well (with the correct kernel config, mainly removing usb and sound). It only fails to suspend and resume properly about 1 in 20 times. All in all I've been happy with my z60t and have ordered a t61 to replace it (if lenovo will ever ship the darn thing, but that is a different issue then hardware). -- Jacob "I'm Brainy For Zombie Pops" Frelinger Jolly at TheCoffinClub dot Com http://www.thecoffinclub.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 187 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-mobile/attachments/20080727/409eb1a0/signature.pgp From zbeeble at gmail.com Sun Jul 27 21:23:47 2008 From: zbeeble at gmail.com (Zaphod Beeblebrox) Date: Sun Jul 27 21:23:54 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: <1217120187.37762.7.camel@jill.exit.com> References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <200807251802.23984.lists@jnielsen.net> <1217120187.37762.7.camel@jill.exit.com> Message-ID: <5f67a8c40807271423t3dc1e89bn7295b9af9fa0eda5@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 8:56 PM, Frank Mayhar wrote: > After reading all the replies I'm actually taking your suggestion and > going with Fujitsu, specifically the E8420. I'm getting the NVidia > option and I'll be running in i386 mode until FreeBSD can handle the > nvidia requirements for amd64 mode. Atheros wireless, WSXGA+ option and > 2GB upgradable to 4. I'll keep my fingers crossed with regard to > working suspend/resume but again I'm not holding my breath. They claim > that with the 8-cell main and 6-cell modular battery it has a 5:30 > runtime; we'll see. Having had several fujitsu's before the current run of Dell laptops, I always found them better than average for FreeBSD support. Even (last one I had) suspending to RAM. The Dells I've currently been buying are very high end models and my impression of Dell is that their cheap models are not worth bothering with, their middle of the price range models are mostly acceptable with some lemons and their high end systems are very well done. That said, an OS-level suspend-to-disk would be an awesome summer-of-code project. I was thinking that beyond swapping everything out (probably easy enough) and providing a clue to a newly booted OS that the processes had to be reactiveated, we'd need a method of remembering what file handles were connected to so that they could be "reopened" (in this, I envision some type of text string... maybe a URI/URL). As a bonus, this would give us process migration between systems, too (assuming the URI were portable between self same systems --- which isn't horribly hard with nfs mounts and whatnot). From 04.16.258368443.667265656273642D6D6F62696C6540667265656273642E6F7267 at message.myspace.com Tue Jul 29 00:31:38 2008 From: 04.16.258368443.667265656273642D6D6F62696C6540667265656273642E6F7267 at message.myspace.com (www.GirlPR.net Friday Afterwork Party Manhattan at MySpace) Date: Tue Jul 29 00:31:45 2008 Subject: www.GirlPR.net Friday Afterwork Party Manhattan has sent you a photo from MySpace.com! Message-ID: <20080729003137.BDC6C8FC17@mx1.freebsd.org> This is a message from www.GirlPR.net Friday Afterwork Party Manhattan: www.GirlPR.net Friday Afterwork Party Manhattan thought you might enjoy checking out this photo on MySpace.com! http://collect.myspace.com/reloc.cfm?c=18&fuseaction=viewImage&imageID=10819563&friendID=258368443&id= What is MySpace.com? MySpace.com is an online community where members share photos, videos, blogs, and interests with a growing network of mutual friends. Create a profile FREE on MySpace and start connecting with old and new friends! 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In-Reply-To: <5635aa0d0807252121la3c7e00s41829d373c8878d5@mail.gmail.com> References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <5635aa0d0807252121la3c7e00s41829d373c8878d5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080729181700.5e28db8d@ayiin> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:21:08 +0700 "Outback Dingo" wrote: > IBM Z series, my Z60M Titanium, runs great and still actually looks brand > new being 2+ years old +1 > the X, T and Z series laptops are all decent, i cant say on quality, im > still using the one i got almost > three years ago with no issues. 1680x1050 on a 15'4 wide wcreen is nice > also. really? what card have yours got? and how many bpp? mine has the ATI (yes, with all of 128 MB graphic memory ) doesn't pick more than 1280x800 (which is fine too, of course...but 1680 is much better). Most of the components in mine work well (including the fingerprint scanner :P though not in active use till it's PAM-pluggable ). Suspend is quite flaky ( dead :P ) while I have DRI enabled...i think it is a known issue. B _________________________ {Beto|Norberto|Numard} Meijome Exhilaration is that feeling you get just after a great idea hits you, and just before you realize what is wrong with it. I speak for myself, not my employer. Contents may be hot. Slippery when wet. Reading disclaimers makes you go blind. Writing them is worse. You have been Warned. From vova at fbsd.ru Tue Jul 29 08:29:31 2008 From: vova at fbsd.ru (Vladimir Grebenschikov) Date: Tue Jul 29 08:29:37 2008 Subject: Hard lockup CURRENT lockup with ath0 and no wireless networks in proximity In-Reply-To: <1217080043.1167.2.camel@RabbitsDen> References: <1216991500.1765.35.camel@localhost> <1217080043.1167.2.camel@RabbitsDen> Message-ID: <1217320166.1830.12.camel@localhost> On Sat, 2008-07-26 at 09:47 -0400, Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko wrote: > > And I've noticed that attempt to start wireless (start of > > wpa_supplicatnt) when there is no wireless networks in proximity leads > > to hard lockup of notebook, even DDB can't be called. ... > > Once I've noticed extremely high interrupt rate before lockup. > > > > In case when there is wireless networks around everything goes as > > expected. > > > > Any hints will be very appreciated. > > > Are you running powerd? And if yes, does the problem disappear if you > stop powerd before starting wpa_supplicant? > > If both answers are "Yes", see: Both are yes > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=474718+0 > +/usr/local/www/db/text/2008/freebsd-stable/20080713.freebsd-stable Will check and try patch, when I'll be in area without wireless coverage. Thanks > HTH, -- Vladimir B. Grebenschikov vova@fbsd.ru From matt at ixsystems.com Wed Jul 30 00:09:06 2008 From: matt at ixsystems.com (Matt Olander) Date: Wed Jul 30 00:09:18 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> Message-ID: On Jul 25, 2008, at 3:23 PM, Jeremy Messenger wrote: > On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:34:32 -0500, Frank Mayhar > wrote: > >> My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, >> sigh, >> so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions >> from >> this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't >> read -mobile). >> >> My criteria: >> * 3D acceleration. >> * MiniPCI wireless (don't care which card, I'll replace it >> anyway). >> * At least 15" screen. >> * Decent power consumption. >> * Plays well with FreeBSD 7-stable. >> >> Nice to have: >> * Dual core. >> * >4GB memory. >> * Working suspend/hibernate mode (and no, I'm not holding my >> breath). >> >> So, suggestions? BTW, if I get a decent response I'll summarize it >> for >> the list, along with the one I chose and my experience after >> ordering/installing it. > > Maybe you can wait for this: > > http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html Hi everyone! I actually had our prototype of this laptop up at the OSCON show in Portland and it was pretty well received. Everything works for the most part although we're still tweaking some things for ACPI. I'll have one at the FreeBSD booth at LinuxWorld in San Francisco next week, August 5-7. We'll announce as soon as this thing is 100% and we're comfortable bringing the product line up as an item that we're comfortable supporting long term. Most likely, available to the general public in September. best, -matt > > > I didn't compare your requirements in there, thought. > > Cheers, > Mezz > > > -- > mezz7@cox.net - mezz@FreeBSD.org > FreeBSD GNOME Team > http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome/ - gnome@FreeBSD.org > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mobile-unsubscribe@freebsd.org > " -- Matt Olander CTO, iXsystems - "Servers for Open Source" http://www.iXsystems.com Public Relations, The FreeBSD Project http://www.FreeBSD.org BSD on the Desktop! http://www.pcbsd.org Phone: (408)943-4100 ext. 113 Fax: (408)943-4101 From sonic2000gr at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 00:29:19 2008 From: sonic2000gr at gmail.com (Manolis Kiagias) Date: Wed Jul 30 00:29:29 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> Message-ID: <488FB5D7.9010609@gmail.com> Matt Olander wrote: > On Jul 25, 2008, at 3:23 PM, Jeremy Messenger wrote: > >> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:34:32 -0500, Frank Mayhar wrote: >> >>> My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, >>> sigh, >>> so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions from >>> this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't >>> read -mobile). >>> >>> My criteria: >>> * 3D acceleration. >>> * MiniPCI wireless (don't care which card, I'll replace it >>> anyway). >>> * At least 15" screen. >>> * Decent power consumption. >>> * Plays well with FreeBSD 7-stable. >>> >>> Nice to have: >>> * Dual core. >>> * >4GB memory. >>> * Working suspend/hibernate mode (and no, I'm not holding my >>> breath). >>> >>> So, suggestions? BTW, if I get a decent response I'll summarize it for >>> the list, along with the one I chose and my experience after >>> ordering/installing it. >> >> Maybe you can wait for this: >> >> http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html > > Hi everyone! I actually had our prototype of this laptop up at the > OSCON show in Portland and it was pretty well received. > Everything works for the most part although we're still tweaking some > things for ACPI. > > I'll have one at the FreeBSD booth at LinuxWorld in San Francisco next > week, August 5-7. We'll announce as soon as this thing is 100% and > we're comfortable bringing the product line up as an item that we're > comfortable supporting long term. Most likely, available to the > general public in September. > > best, > -matt > > > Many people will be interested. I surely want one! Will you be able to ship to European addresses as well? Cheers, Manolis From 04.16.381063450.667265656273642D6D6F62696C6540667265656273642E6F7267 at message.myspace.com Wed Jul 30 00:41:35 2008 From: 04.16.381063450.667265656273642D6D6F62696C6540667265656273642E6F7267 at message.myspace.com (www.VipGuestlist.com is for Sale at MySpace) Date: Wed Jul 30 00:41:41 2008 Subject: www.VipGuestlist.com is for Sale has sent you a photo from MySpace.com! Message-ID: <20080730004135.5B29F8FC17@mx1.freebsd.org> This is a message from www.VipGuestlist.com is for Sale: www.VipGuestlist.com is for Sale thought you might enjoy checking out this photo on MySpace.com! http://collect.myspace.com/reloc.cfm?c=18&fuseaction=viewImage&imageID=126914&friendID=381063450&id= What is MySpace.com? MySpace.com is an online community where members share photos, videos, blogs, and interests with a growing network of mutual friends. Create a profile FREE on MySpace and start connecting with old and new friends! Find out more about MySpace: http://www.myspace.com ------------------------- This email was sent by someone who knows you on MySpace.com. If you want to block any emails from MySpace members in the future, you can click here: http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=block&iid={0} Or send a single blank email with the subject line "BLOCK" to: privacy@myspace.com You can also block future email or direct any other inquiries by regular postal mail to: MySpace, Inc. 8391 Beverly Blvd. #349 Los Angeles, CA 90048 USA ?2003-2008 MySpace.com. All Rights Reserved. From freebsd at meijome.net Wed Jul 30 02:06:40 2008 From: freebsd at meijome.net (Norberto Meijome) Date: Wed Jul 30 02:06:46 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> Message-ID: <20080730120635.067cb571@ayiin> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:42:23 -0700 Matt Olander wrote: > I'll have one at the FreeBSD booth at LinuxWorld in San Francisco next > week, August 5-7. We'll announce as soon as this thing is 100% and > we're comfortable bringing the product line up as an item that we're > comfortable supporting long term. Most likely, available to the > general public in September. Great stuff,Matt. It says FBSD 6, but I would hope 7 would be run as well (even if not directly supported by iX )? will u be shipping to Oz? B _________________________ {Beto|Norberto|Numard} Meijome "Science is like sex: sometimes something useful comes out, but that is not the reason we are doing it" Richard Feynman I speak for myself, not my employer. Contents may be hot. Slippery when wet. Reading disclaimers makes you go blind. Writing them is worse. You have been Warned. From knowtree at aloha.com Wed Jul 30 02:07:16 2008 From: knowtree at aloha.com (knowtree@aloha.com) Date: Wed Jul 30 02:07:28 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? Message-ID: <200807300057.m6U0vmNU012058@yoda.pixi.com> > On Jul 25, 2008, at 3:23 PM, Jeremy Messenger wrote: > > > On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:34:32 -0500, Frank Mayhar > > wrote: > > > >> My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, > >> sigh, .. > > > > Maybe you can wait for this: > > > > http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html > > Hi everyone! I actually had our prototype of this laptop up at the > OSCON show in Portland and it was pretty well received. > Everything works for the most part although we're still tweaking some > things for ACPI. > > I'll have one at the FreeBSD booth at LinuxWorld in San Francisco next > week, August 5-7. We'll announce as soon as this thing is 100% and > we're comfortable bringing the product line up as an item that we're > comfortable supporting long term. Most likely, available to the > general public in September. Matt - I may have just found my next laptop. A few questions: 1. Case size? 2. Weight? (It sounds heavy.) 3. Built-in camera? Specs? 4. Why FreeBSD 6.x and not 7.x? 5. Built-in modem not a winmodem? 6. Suspend will work, reliably, including networking? Please put me on your mailing list, assuming you have one. Gary Dunn Honolulu Open Slate Project http://openslate.net/ 73 BMW E9 (3.0 CS) 2213583 (rust repair research project) http://e9erust.blogspot.com/ From des at des.no Wed Jul 30 13:32:52 2008 From: des at des.no (=?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?=) Date: Wed Jul 30 13:32:58 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: (Matt Olander's message of "Tue\, 29 Jul 2008 16\:42\:23 -0700") References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> Message-ID: <86y73j341e.fsf@ds4.des.no> Matt Olander writes: > [re http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html] Will it be available with a big FreeBSD logo on the lid? :) DES -- Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav - des@des.no From ap at bnc.net Wed Jul 30 16:33:27 2008 From: ap at bnc.net (Achim Patzner) Date: Wed Jul 30 16:33:41 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: <86y73j341e.fsf@ds4.des.no> References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <86y73j341e.fsf@ds4.des.no> Message-ID: Am 30.07.2008 um 15:17 schrieb Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav: > Matt Olander writes: >> [re http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html] > Will it be available with a big FreeBSD logo on the lid? :) If you need something like that, a partially eaten white apple would be much more appropriate anyway. (Which reminds me - I didn't understand the motivation behind the original question either... Even more and more Linux users are giving up running it on their Macs, installing Mac OS instead. Looks contagious...) Achim From des at des.no Wed Jul 30 16:40:15 2008 From: des at des.no (=?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?=) Date: Wed Jul 30 16:40:21 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: (Achim Patzner's message of "Wed\, 30 Jul 2008 17\:27\:21 +0200") References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <86y73j341e.fsf@ds4.des.no> Message-ID: <86bq0ftjf6.fsf@ds4.des.no> Achim Patzner writes: > Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav writes: > > Matt Olander writes: > > > [re http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html] > > Will it be available with a big FreeBSD logo on the lid? :) > If you need something like that, a partially eaten white apple would > be much more appropriate anyway. (Which reminds me - I didn't > understand the motivation behind the original question either... Even > more and more Linux users are giving up running it on their Macs, > installing Mac OS instead. Looks contagious...) I don't understand what Macs have to do with this - we're talking about iX Systems's made-for-BSD laptop. DES -- Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav - des@des.no From ap at bnc.net Wed Jul 30 20:20:35 2008 From: ap at bnc.net (Achim Patzner) Date: Wed Jul 30 20:20:48 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: <86bq0ftjf6.fsf@ds4.des.no> References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <86y73j341e.fsf@ds4.des.no> <86bq0ftjf6.fsf@ds4.des.no> Message-ID: <8C2BF4B9-14CD-40EA-B22E-DBB7060BFE46@bnc.net> Am 30.07.2008 um 18:40 schrieb Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav: > I don't understand what Macs have to do with this - we're talking > about > iX Systems's made-for-BSD laptop. The thread started with someone asking for a mobile computer that would support FreeBSD sufficiently and nobody came up with something fitting the bill (and being available somewhere). Considering the picture you're seeing at any place where more than two hardcore Unix users assemble you're seeing a majority of Macs. There has to be an obvious reason for that... I tried to break that habit more than once but right now the only comfortable way of running FreeBSD on a laptop is VMware Fusion on a Mac. Reading this entire thread convinced me even more. Achim From llc2w at virginia.edu Wed Jul 30 20:51:29 2008 From: llc2w at virginia.edu (L Campbell) Date: Wed Jul 30 20:51:36 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: <8C2BF4B9-14CD-40EA-B22E-DBB7060BFE46@bnc.net> References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <86y73j341e.fsf@ds4.des.no> <86bq0ftjf6.fsf@ds4.des.no> <8C2BF4B9-14CD-40EA-B22E-DBB7060BFE46@bnc.net> Message-ID: <792298050807301331g37cc20a3of90ef7b7d2c94a17@mail.gmail.com> > right now the only comfortable way of running FreeBSD on a laptop is VMware Fusion on a Mac. It depends on what you consider to be "comfortable". My primary machine is an old Dell Inspiron 6000 (running the RELENG_7 branch) and the only hardware compatibility issue I've ever had was that suspend/hibernate doesn't work (display doesn't come back on). I'm much more comfortable with ignorable ACPI issues on old (but perfectly capable) hardware than running everything through a VM on a brand new top-of-the-line machine. While this message is entirely anecdotal, I'm sure there are quite a few other people happily running FreeBSD on a variety of machines (albeit, somewhat aged hardware) which doesn't come near the specifications outlined in the original post. From oberman at es.net Wed Jul 30 21:58:45 2008 From: oberman at es.net (Kevin Oberman) Date: Wed Jul 30 21:58:56 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:20:28 +0200." <8C2BF4B9-14CD-40EA-B22E-DBB7060BFE46@bnc.net> Message-ID: <20080730214715.7F8C74500E@ptavv.es.net> > From: Achim Patzner > Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:20:28 +0200 > Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org > > Am 30.07.2008 um 18:40 schrieb Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav: > > I don't understand what Macs have to do with this - we're talking > > about > > iX Systems's made-for-BSD laptop. > > The thread started with someone asking for a mobile computer that > would support FreeBSD sufficiently and nobody came up with something > fitting the bill (and being available somewhere). Considering the > picture you're seeing at any place where more than two hardcore Unix > users assemble you're seeing a majority of Macs. There has to be an > obvious reason for that... I tried to break that habit more than once > but right now the only comfortable way of running FreeBSD on a laptop > is VMware Fusion on a Mac. Reading this entire thread convinced me > even more. I have been running for the last two years in a ThinkPad T43 and it works fine. ATI graphics work well as does everything except the modem. Since I don't have any access to any dialup network service any more, I don't think I care, although I do carry an old PCMCIA modem card, just in case. Suspend also does not work reliably, but I don't normally suspend my system, anyway, so I don't notice that, either. Atheros wireless, Broadcomm Ethernet, graphics, DRI, USB all just work and have worked since V6.1 days. That said, I suspect that my next laptop with be a Mac with either VMware or Parallels, My wife already runs one and it's pretty nice. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 224 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-mobile/attachments/20080730/ed2bf09e/attachment.pgp From julian at elischer.org Wed Jul 30 22:53:00 2008 From: julian at elischer.org (Julian Elischer) Date: Wed Jul 30 22:53:06 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> Message-ID: <4890EE56.2090202@elischer.org> Matt Olander wrote: >> >> http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html > > Hi everyone! I actually had our prototype of this laptop up at the OSCON > show in Portland and it was pretty well received. > Everything works for the most part although we're still tweaking some > things for ACPI. > > I'll have one at the FreeBSD booth at LinuxWorld in San Francisco next > week, August 5-7. We'll announce as soon as this thing is 100% and we're > comfortable bringing the product line up as an item that we're > comfortable supporting long term. Most likely, available to the general > public in September. > > best, > -matt > > ooooh nice! battery life? From mjguzik at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 23:01:09 2008 From: mjguzik at gmail.com (Mateusz Guzik) Date: Wed Jul 30 23:01:15 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> Message-ID: 2008/7/30 Matt Olander : > On Jul 25, 2008, at 3:23 PM, Jeremy Messenger wrote: > >> Maybe you can wait for this: >> >> http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html > > Hi everyone! I actually had our prototype of this laptop up at the OSCON > show in Portland and it was pretty well received. > Everything works for the most part although we're still tweaking some things > for ACPI. > > I'll have one at the FreeBSD booth at LinuxWorld in San Francisco next week, > August 5-7. We'll announce as soon as this thing is 100% and we're > comfortable bringing the product line up as an item that we're comfortable > supporting long term. Most likely, available to the general public in > September. > Any chances it will be available with trackpoint instead of touchpad? :) Thanks, -- Mateusz Guzik From matt at ixsystems.com Wed Jul 30 23:34:17 2008 From: matt at ixsystems.com (Matt Olander) Date: Wed Jul 30 23:34:28 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: <4890EE56.2090202@elischer.org> References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <4890EE56.2090202@elischer.org> Message-ID: On Jul 30, 2008, at 3:42 PM, Julian Elischer wrote: > Matt Olander wrote: > >>> >>> http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html >> Hi everyone! I actually had our prototype of this laptop up at the >> OSCON show in Portland and it was pretty well received. >> Everything works for the most part although we're still tweaking >> some things for ACPI. >> I'll have one at the FreeBSD booth at LinuxWorld in San Francisco >> next week, August 5-7. We'll announce as soon as this thing is 100% >> and we're comfortable bringing the product line up as an item that >> we're comfortable supporting long term. Most likely, available to >> the general public in September. >> best, >> -matt > > ooooh > nice! > > battery life? I haven't done any battery life testing yet but I will. We just put NetBSD current on there late last night and one of our guys is surfing the net right now with one of the prototypes. We'll run it through some tests over this weekend on FreeBSD 7 and post some relevant specs up on the site next week. I'll let everyone know when we update :-P We've got a couple of minimalist stickers on there but we're hoping to ship it with a fun BSD sticker kit. I put the huge FreeBSD Mall bumper sticker on the lid of mine ;-) -matt From stuartb at 4gh.net Thu Jul 31 01:08:24 2008 From: stuartb at 4gh.net (Stuart Barkley) Date: Thu Jul 31 01:08:37 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 at 18:35 -0000, Mateusz Guzik wrote: > 2008/7/30 Matt Olander : > > On Jul 25, 2008, at 3:23 PM, Jeremy Messenger wrote: > > > >> Maybe you can wait for this: > >> > >> http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html > > Any chances it will be available with trackpoint instead of > touchpad? :) I like that it has a serial port on it. What does it have for audio? A line-in connection would also be very welcome. Also, how about 3 buttons on the touchpad? I really like having a middle button. From unixmania at gmail.com Thu Jul 31 01:14:19 2008 From: unixmania at gmail.com (Carlos A. M. dos Santos) Date: Thu Jul 31 01:14:25 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: <8C2BF4B9-14CD-40EA-B22E-DBB7060BFE46@bnc.net> References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <86y73j341e.fsf@ds4.des.no> <86bq0ftjf6.fsf@ds4.des.no> <8C2BF4B9-14CD-40EA-B22E-DBB7060BFE46@bnc.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Achim Patzner wrote: > Am 30.07.2008 um 18:40 schrieb Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav: >> >> I don't understand what Macs have to do with this - we're talking about >> iX Systems's made-for-BSD laptop. > > The thread started with someone asking for a mobile computer that > would support FreeBSD sufficiently and nobody came up with something > fitting the bill (and being available somewhere). Considering the > picture you're seeing at any place where more than two hardcore Unix > users assemble you're seeing a majority of Macs. There has to be an > obvious reason for that... I tried to break that habit more than once > but right now the only comfortable way of running FreeBSD on a laptop > is VMware Fusion on a Mac. Reading this entire thread convinced me > even more. Please define "comfortable". I've been running FreeBSD 7.0 pretty comfortably on my HP nx6320 for several months now. I never attempted to use neither Bluetooth nor the fingerprint reader, so I don't miss them. The only real drawback I've found was that the memory card reader does not work. I also ran 8.0-CURRENT on a HP 6910p because 7.0 did not support the WI-FI card. -- Carlos Santos Working, but not speaking (or advertising) for HP :-) From sziszi at bsd.hu Thu Jul 31 05:58:14 2008 From: sziszi at bsd.hu (Szilveszter Adam) Date: Thu Jul 31 05:58:21 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: <792298050807301331g37cc20a3of90ef7b7d2c94a17@mail.gmail.com> References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <86y73j341e.fsf@ds4.des.no> <86bq0ftjf6.fsf@ds4.des.no> <8C2BF4B9-14CD-40EA-B22E-DBB7060BFE46@bnc.net> <792298050807301331g37cc20a3of90ef7b7d2c94a17@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080731050206.GA1681@baranyfelhocske.buza.adamsfamily.xx> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 04:31:10PM -0400, L Campbell wrote: > It depends on what you consider to be "comfortable". Seconded. I have been happily running FreeBSD (usually -CURRENT) on two laptops for the last 5+ years. No issues really. Of course, this required that I did not merely walk into a store and pick up the item that was the most heavily advertised or the cheaperst or the "coolest" according to some tech site. (FreeBSD is so cool anyway, that the machine gets barely notices anyway :-) Instead I picked machines that were well supported hardware-wise after careful research. This meant eg that I even left one in the shop because when I went on location, it turned out that it had an Azalia soundcard instead of AC97 (although the specs said differently) and that was not well supported at that time in FreeBSD. Incidentally, this usually means not taking the latest and greatest, but to be frank, I have no need for the latest tech either. At this time I have an IBM TP R50e, which "just works". It does not have fancy items like BT or fingerprint reader, but I do not require those either. The modem does not work but I have no need for that either any more. (On my previous laptop, the modem worked with the ltmdm driver as well and I used that to go online for at least one year.) Oh, and I do not use suspend/resume because to be frank, FreeBSD boots faster than Windows wakes up. So I have no need for that either. So yes, it entirely depends on your definition of "comfortable". -- Regards: Szilveszter ADAM Budapest Hungary From koitsu at FreeBSD.org Thu Jul 31 08:26:18 2008 From: koitsu at FreeBSD.org (Jeremy Chadwick) Date: Thu Jul 31 08:26:31 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: <4891740F.7000305@moneybookers.com> References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <4891740F.7000305@moneybookers.com> Message-ID: <20080731082618.GA2204@eos.sc1.parodius.com> On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 11:13:03AM +0300, Stefan Lambrev wrote: > Matt Olander wrote: >> On Jul 25, 2008, at 3:23 PM, Jeremy Messenger wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:34:32 -0500, Frank Mayhar wrote: >>> >>>> My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, >>>> sigh, >>>> so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions from >>>> this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't >>>> read -mobile). >>>> >>>> My criteria: >>>> * 3D acceleration. >>>> * MiniPCI wireless (don't care which card, I'll replace it >>>> anyway). >>>> * At least 15" screen. >>>> * Decent power consumption. >>>> * Plays well with FreeBSD 7-stable. >>>> >>>> Nice to have: >>>> * Dual core. >>>> * >4GB memory. >>>> * Working suspend/hibernate mode (and no, I'm not holding my >>>> breath). >>>> >>>> So, suggestions? BTW, if I get a decent response I'll summarize it for >>>> the list, along with the one I chose and my experience after >>>> ordering/installing it. >>> >>> Maybe you can wait for this: >>> >>> http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html >> >> Hi everyone! I actually had our prototype of this laptop up at the >> OSCON show in Portland and it was pretty well received. >> Everything works for the most part although we're still tweaking some >> things for ACPI. >> >> I'll have one at the FreeBSD booth at LinuxWorld in San Francisco next >> week, August 5-7. We'll announce as soon as this thing is 100% and >> we're comfortable bringing the product line up as an item that we're >> comfortable supporting long term. Most likely, available to the >> general public in September. > Does it have web cam btw ? I do not saw in spec, but on the picture > looks like it have. FreeBSD has support for webcams? News to me. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From stefan.lambrev at moneybookers.com Thu Jul 31 08:31:38 2008 From: stefan.lambrev at moneybookers.com (Stefan Lambrev) Date: Thu Jul 31 08:31:45 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> Message-ID: <4891740F.7000305@moneybookers.com> Matt Olander wrote: > On Jul 25, 2008, at 3:23 PM, Jeremy Messenger wrote: > >> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:34:32 -0500, Frank Mayhar wrote: >> >>> My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, >>> sigh, >>> so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions from >>> this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't >>> read -mobile). >>> >>> My criteria: >>> * 3D acceleration. >>> * MiniPCI wireless (don't care which card, I'll replace it >>> anyway). >>> * At least 15" screen. >>> * Decent power consumption. >>> * Plays well with FreeBSD 7-stable. >>> >>> Nice to have: >>> * Dual core. >>> * >4GB memory. >>> * Working suspend/hibernate mode (and no, I'm not holding my >>> breath). >>> >>> So, suggestions? BTW, if I get a decent response I'll summarize it for >>> the list, along with the one I chose and my experience after >>> ordering/installing it. >> >> Maybe you can wait for this: >> >> http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html > > Hi everyone! I actually had our prototype of this laptop up at the > OSCON show in Portland and it was pretty well received. > Everything works for the most part although we're still tweaking some > things for ACPI. > > I'll have one at the FreeBSD booth at LinuxWorld in San Francisco next > week, August 5-7. We'll announce as soon as this thing is 100% and > we're comfortable bringing the product line up as an item that we're > comfortable supporting long term. Most likely, available to the > general public in September. Does it have web cam btw ? I do not saw in spec, but on the picture looks like it have. My experience show, that if one want to have decent 3D acceleration on freebsd, there is only one way - i386 + nvidia driver. I know Intel video cards are very pro-open source, but the driver for those cards is not better then nvidia's. Also I guess some time will pass before we see those laptops in Europe? -- Best Wishes, Stefan Lambrev ICQ# 24134177 From stefan.lambrev at moneybookers.com Thu Jul 31 08:37:21 2008 From: stefan.lambrev at moneybookers.com (Stefan Lambrev) Date: Thu Jul 31 08:37:34 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: <20080731082618.GA2204@eos.sc1.parodius.com> References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <4891740F.7000305@moneybookers.com> <20080731082618.GA2204@eos.sc1.parodius.com> Message-ID: <489179BC.7050007@moneybookers.com> Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 11:13:03AM +0300, Stefan Lambrev wrote: > >> Matt Olander wrote: >> >>> On Jul 25, 2008, at 3:23 PM, Jeremy Messenger wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:34:32 -0500, Frank Mayhar wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, >>>>> sigh, >>>>> so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions from >>>>> this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't >>>>> read -mobile). >>>>> >>>>> My criteria: >>>>> * 3D acceleration. >>>>> * MiniPCI wireless (don't care which card, I'll replace it >>>>> anyway). >>>>> * At least 15" screen. >>>>> * Decent power consumption. >>>>> * Plays well with FreeBSD 7-stable. >>>>> >>>>> Nice to have: >>>>> * Dual core. >>>>> * >4GB memory. >>>>> * Working suspend/hibernate mode (and no, I'm not holding my >>>>> breath). >>>>> >>>>> So, suggestions? BTW, if I get a decent response I'll summarize it for >>>>> the list, along with the one I chose and my experience after >>>>> ordering/installing it. >>>>> >>>> Maybe you can wait for this: >>>> >>>> http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html >>>> >>> Hi everyone! I actually had our prototype of this laptop up at the >>> OSCON show in Portland and it was pretty well received. >>> Everything works for the most part although we're still tweaking some >>> things for ACPI. >>> >>> I'll have one at the FreeBSD booth at LinuxWorld in San Francisco next >>> week, August 5-7. We'll announce as soon as this thing is 100% and >>> we're comfortable bringing the product line up as an item that we're >>> comfortable supporting long term. Most likely, available to the >>> general public in September. >>> >> Does it have web cam btw ? I do not saw in spec, but on the picture >> looks like it have. >> > > FreeBSD has support for webcams? News to me. > multimedia/pwcbsd multimedia/linux-gspca-kmod multimedia/linux-ov511-kmod Though I never heard for someone using successfully his webcam with skype2 ;) http://info.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/FreeBSD/usb-cameras.html The question for webcamps pop-ups regularly on -multimedia. -- Best Wishes, Stefan Lambrev ICQ# 24134177 From guru at unixarea.de Thu Jul 31 08:52:06 2008 From: guru at unixarea.de (Matthias Apitz) Date: Thu Jul 31 08:52:19 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: <489179BC.7050007@moneybookers.com> References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <4891740F.7000305@moneybookers.com> <20080731082618.GA2204@eos.sc1.parodius.com> <489179BC.7050007@moneybookers.com> Message-ID: <20080731085202.GA4101@rebelion.Sisis.de> El d?a Thursday, July 31, 2008 a las 11:37:16AM +0300, Stefan Lambrev escribi?: > >FreeBSD has support for webcams? News to me. > > > multimedia/pwcbsd > multimedia/linux-gspca-kmod > multimedia/linux-ov511-kmod > > Though I never heard for someone using successfully his webcam with > skype2 ;) > > http://info.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/FreeBSD/usb-cameras.html > > The question for webcamps pop-ups regularly on -multimedia. I've this cam: Mar 19 10:31:28 rebelion kernel: pwc0: vendor 0x0471 product 0x0329, rev 1.10/0.03, addr 2 Mar 19 10:31:29 rebelion kernel: pwc0: Philips SPC900NC USB webcam Mar 19 10:31:29 rebelion kernel: pwc0: This camera is equipped with a Sony CCD sensor + TDA8787 (32 which is supported by multimedia/pwcbsd and works fine with Ekiga (SVN version) via the V4L plugin of ptlib (ptlib/plugins/vidinput_v4l); matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ We should all learn from the peoples of The Netherlands, France and Ireland. Aprendamos todos de los pueblos de Holanda, Francia e Irlanda. From ap at bnc.net Thu Jul 31 09:18:03 2008 From: ap at bnc.net (Achim Patzner) Date: Thu Jul 31 09:18:15 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <86y73j341e.fsf@ds4.des.no> <86bq0ftjf6.fsf@ds4.des.no> <8C2BF4B9-14CD-40EA-B22E-DBB7060BFE46@bnc.net> Message-ID: <3A7C430E-AA1C-4CF3-88F5-F7A0EBE3273A@bnc.net> Am 31.07.2008 um 02:45 schrieb Carlos A. M. dos Santos: > On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Achim Patzner wrote: >> I tried to break that habit more than once >> but right now the only comfortable way of running FreeBSD on a laptop >> is VMware Fusion on a Mac. Reading this entire thread convinced me >> even more. > > Please define "comfortable". You just did so: > I never attempted to use neither Bluetooth nor the fingerprint reader > [...] the memory card > reader does not work. I also ran 8.0-CURRENT on a HP 6910p because 7.0 > did not support the WI-FI card. Great Lord. I just opened the box, turned the machine on and - after waiting fo about a few minutes - just began using it. Drivers? Who cares. Serial port? Just plug in an USB-to-serial. Getting X to run on the *censored* *even more censorship*? No problem, it's even launching itself should I really need it. Camera? Built-in. Unix that feels like FreeBSD? Built- in. HSDPA? Just connect the USB modem or plug in the Merlin XU. NO FUCKING INTEL STICKERS TO PEEL OFF. PRICELESS. It's a perfect machine for the desktop; I've forbidden FreeBSD to come creeping out the server room some years ago. I need it for keeping the penguins away, it's really good at that (no wonder - pitchforks do hurt). But it's a pain for desktoppy things - so why shouldn't I use something less useful? And the other way round: Running Mac OS X Server is the most painful thing I've ever been paid for; I've been replacing a lot of them with FreeBSD-based servers. Achim From koitsu at FreeBSD.org Thu Jul 31 10:08:21 2008 From: koitsu at FreeBSD.org (Jeremy Chadwick) Date: Thu Jul 31 10:08:28 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: <3A7C430E-AA1C-4CF3-88F5-F7A0EBE3273A@bnc.net> References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <86y73j341e.fsf@ds4.des.no> <86bq0ftjf6.fsf@ds4.des.no> <8C2BF4B9-14CD-40EA-B22E-DBB7060BFE46@bnc.net> <3A7C430E-AA1C-4CF3-88F5-F7A0EBE3273A@bnc.net> Message-ID: <20080731100821.GA15213@eos.sc1.parodius.com> On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 11:17:54AM +0200, Achim Patzner wrote: > Drivers? Who cares. Serial port? Just plug in an USB-to-serial. You've obviously never used a USB-to-serial adapter. Are you aware of the fact that there is no serial device class as part of the USB specification? (Quite a great irony, if you ask me. Universal SERIAL Bus, yet no serial device class...) AFAIK, there isn't even a draft proposal for such. You *must* have drivers for a USB-to-serial adapter. And every adapter is different, depending upon the adapter chipset used, many of which are not disclosed in product specifications, so there's no way to guarantee it'll work with FreeBSD. On -stable (I believe) some people have mentioned which USB-to-serial adapters work great under FreeBSD and Windows, while others are horrible (dropping characters, broken flow control, interrupt issues, and many other problems). > It's a perfect machine for the desktop; I've forbidden FreeBSD to come > creeping out the server room some years ago. I need it for keeping the > penguins away, it's really good at that (no wonder - pitchforks do > hurt). > But it's a pain for desktoppy things - so why shouldn't I use something > less useful? And the other way round: Running Mac OS X Server is the > most painful thing I've ever been paid for; I've been replacing a lot of > them with FreeBSD-based servers. The amount of rhetoric in these two paragraphs is amazing; I literally cannot tell if you're trolling with anti-FreeBSD propaganda, or if you're trolling with pro-FreeBSD propaganda. Congratulations, you've confused at least one reader. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From richard at unixguru.nl Thu Jul 31 10:34:10 2008 From: richard at unixguru.nl (Richard Arends) Date: Thu Jul 31 10:34:22 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: <20080731082618.GA2204@eos.sc1.parodius.com> References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <4891740F.7000305@moneybookers.com> <20080731082618.GA2204@eos.sc1.parodius.com> Message-ID: <20080731083718.GC959@shell.unixguru.nl> On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 01:26:18AM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: Hi, > FreeBSD has support for webcams? News to me. Luigi Rizzo was (is?) working on webcam support: http://info.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/FreeBSD/usb-cameras.html -- Regards, Richard. /* Homo Sapiens non urinat in ventum */ From asstec at matik.com.br Thu Jul 31 10:38:25 2008 From: asstec at matik.com.br (AT Matik) Date: Thu Jul 31 10:38:32 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: <3A7C430E-AA1C-4CF3-88F5-F7A0EBE3273A@bnc.net> References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <3A7C430E-AA1C-4CF3-88F5-F7A0EBE3273A@bnc.net> Message-ID: <200807310711.34377.asstec@matik.com.br> On Thursday 31 July 2008 06:17:54 Achim Patzner wrote: > Am 31.07.2008 um 02:45 schrieb Carlos A. M. dos Santos: > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Achim Patzner wrote: > >> I tried to break that habit more than once > >> but right now the only comfortable way of running FreeBSD on a laptop > >> is VMware Fusion on a Mac. Reading this entire thread convinced me > >> even more. > > > > Please define "comfortable". > > You just did so: > > I never attempted to use neither Bluetooth nor the fingerprint reader > > [...] the memory card > > reader does not work. I also ran 8.0-CURRENT on a HP 6910p because 7.0 > > did not support the WI-FI card. > > Great Lord. I just opened the box, turned the machine on and - after > waiting > fo about a few minutes - just began using it. Drivers? Who cares. Serial > port? Just plug in an USB-to-serial. Getting X to run on the *censored* > *even more censorship*? No problem, it's even launching itself should I > really need it. Camera? Built-in. Unix that feels like FreeBSD? Built- > in. > HSDPA? Just connect the USB modem or plug in the Merlin XU. > > NO FUCKING INTEL STICKERS TO PEEL OFF. PRICELESS. > guys ... seems most of you are seeing a laptop for the first time of your life, I am impressed so long as you ignore FreeBSD's almost-disability to resume from suspend it runs on all notes I got in my hands over the last years up to now with 7, and runs fine, often much better on cheap pieces (faster and longer bat life) than on some 1500-bucks-wonder-bonder-books and Jee, this sticker, man, hot!, intel, orange or bsd-whatever are really important, I agree ... first things first - and you could stick them on the screen to see them all the time Jo?o A mensagem foi scaneada pelo sistema de e-mail e pode ser considerada segura. Service fornecido pelo Datacenter Matik https://datacenter.matik.com.br From asstec at matik.com.br Thu Jul 31 10:46:07 2008 From: asstec at matik.com.br (AT Matik) Date: Thu Jul 31 10:46:13 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: <20080731100821.GA15213@eos.sc1.parodius.com> References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <3A7C430E-AA1C-4CF3-88F5-F7A0EBE3273A@bnc.net> <20080731100821.GA15213@eos.sc1.parodius.com> Message-ID: <200807310745.43407.asstec@matik.com.br> On Thursday 31 July 2008 07:08:21 Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 11:17:54AM +0200, Achim Patzner wrote: > > Drivers? Who cares. Serial port? Just plug in an USB-to-serial. > > You've obviously never used a USB-to-serial adapter. Are you aware of > the fact that there is no serial device class as part of the USB > specification? (Quite a great irony, if you ask me. Universal SERIAL > Bus, yet no serial device class...) AFAIK, there isn't even a draft > proposal for such. > > You *must* have drivers for a USB-to-serial adapter. And every adapter > is different, depending upon the adapter chipset used, many of which are > not disclosed in product specifications, so there's no way to guarantee > it'll work with FreeBSD. On -stable (I believe) some people have > mentioned which USB-to-serial adapters work great under FreeBSD and > Windows, while others are horrible (dropping characters, broken flow > control, interrupt issues, and many other problems). > I am not sure if that is true ... I believe that are port config issues I have Leadership USB to serial adaptor cable which works just fine with freebsd's usb drivers out-of-the-box since 5.3 or 6 for sure, works flawless with minicom Jo?o A mensagem foi scaneada pelo sistema de e-mail e pode ser considerada segura. Service fornecido pelo Datacenter Matik https://datacenter.matik.com.br From ap at bnc.net Thu Jul 31 10:48:05 2008 From: ap at bnc.net (Achim Patzner) Date: Thu Jul 31 10:48:12 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: <20080731100821.GA15213@eos.sc1.parodius.com> References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <86y73j341e.fsf@ds4.des.no> <86bq0ftjf6.fsf@ds4.des.no> <8C2BF4B9-14CD-40EA-B22E-DBB7060BFE46@bnc.net> <3A7C430E-AA1C-4CF3-88F5-F7A0EBE3273A@bnc.net> <20080731100821.GA15213@eos.sc1.parodius.com> Message-ID: Am 31.07.2008 um 12:08 schrieb Jeremy Chadwick: > On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 11:17:54AM +0200, Achim Patzner wrote: >> Drivers? Who cares. Serial port? Just plug in an USB-to-serial. > > You've obviously never used a USB-to-serial adapter. Wrong; I'm using them all the time. Initial kneading of serious Cisco stuff still didn't get into the 21. century. My tool of choice is an ExSys EX-1372 (ExpressCard, but that's just a fancy packaging for USB) which is - using the Mac OS built-in driver or Windows > 2000 - working out of the box and interrupt delivery is good enough to run Auerswald's Java application for their PABX systems (which is so timing-dependent that it is refusing to work with quite a few "real" serial ports). > Are you aware of > the fact that there is no serial device class as part of the USB > specification? (Quite a great irony, if you ask me. Universal SERIAL > Bus, yet no serial device class...) AFAIK, there isn't even a draft > proposal for such. I don't care. It just *works*, even with off-the-mill Prolific trash (although those will not suffice for my telefone). I won't even get into typical Mac-user's creature comforts like using Bluetooth serial devices (just power it on and the Mac magically sprouts a /dev/cu.Bluetooth-dongle-name.subdevice plus /dev/tty. which will even do fancy stuff like automatic speed and parity settings. > so there's no way to guarantee it'll work with FreeBSD. Which is true for so many things. Which I can buy off-the-shelf for Mac OS. No hassle, no hacking, no sweat. For me a desktop machine is a tool; I won't give it more consideration than a screwdriver. It has to do its job which (again: for me) is delivering a usable front- end for servers and writing documentation (and bills!) plus doing all the communication stuff I need to be able to work wherever I am. It boils down to: Unix, no Linux, Word (They make me need it...), VMware. >> It's a perfect machine for the desktop; I've forbidden FreeBSD to >> come >> creeping out the server room some years ago. I need it for keeping >> the >> penguins away, it's really good at that (no wonder - pitchforks do >> hurt). >> But it's a pain for desktoppy things - so why shouldn't I use >> something >> less useful? And the other way round: Running Mac OS X Server is the >> most painful thing I've ever been paid for; I've been replacing a >> lot of >> them with FreeBSD-based servers. > > The amount of rhetoric in these two paragraphs is amazing; I literally > cannot tell if you're trolling with anti-FreeBSD propaganda, or if > you're trolling with pro-FreeBSD propaganda. Congratulations, you've > confused at least one reader. Wrong on both counts. I'm just using the appropriate tools for the jobs that need to be done. And on the desktop FreeBSD just plain sucks in comparison to Mac OS. And after all, Mac users need FreeBSD - who else should provide them with all the nice things from ipfw to the user land? Would you really expect Apple to do it all on its own? Face it: The real difference between servers and desktops is the "who has to bend over"-question. Servers are adapted to the software they are going to run while on "personal computers" the software has to adapt to the machine ("I want that shiny Sony. I don't care if the hardware sucks, it's beautiful."). And Chuck is quite definitely lacking at bending over... Achim From kostikbel at gmail.com Thu Jul 31 10:50:14 2008 From: kostikbel at gmail.com (Kostik Belousov) Date: Thu Jul 31 10:50:30 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <4890EE56.2090202@elischer.org> Message-ID: <20080731102836.GZ97161@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 04:07:31PM -0700, Matt Olander wrote: > On Jul 30, 2008, at 3:42 PM, Julian Elischer wrote: > > >Matt Olander wrote: > > > >>> > >>>http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html > >>Hi everyone! I actually had our prototype of this laptop up at the > >>OSCON show in Portland and it was pretty well received. > >>Everything works for the most part although we're still tweaking > >>some things for ACPI. > >>I'll have one at the FreeBSD booth at LinuxWorld in San Francisco > >>next week, August 5-7. We'll announce as soon as this thing is 100% > >>and we're comfortable bringing the product line up as an item that > >>we're comfortable supporting long term. Most likely, available to > >>the general public in September. > >>best, > >>-matt > > > >ooooh > >nice! > > > >battery life? > > I haven't done any battery life testing yet but I will. We just put > NetBSD current on there late last night and one of our guys is surfing > the net right now with one of the prototypes. We'll run it through > some tests over this weekend on FreeBSD 7 and post some relevant specs > up on the site next week. I'll let everyone know when we update :-P > > We've got a couple of minimalist stickers on there but we're hoping to > ship it with a fun BSD sticker kit. I put the huge FreeBSD Mall bumper > sticker on the lid of mine ;-) Would it be possible to order it not from US, and how much shipping may cost ? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 195 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-mobile/attachments/20080731/5a303b12/attachment.pgp From koitsu at FreeBSD.org Thu Jul 31 11:08:02 2008 From: koitsu at FreeBSD.org (Jeremy Chadwick) Date: Thu Jul 31 11:08:21 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: <86y73j341e.fsf@ds4.des.no> <86bq0ftjf6.fsf@ds4.des.no> <8C2BF4B9-14CD-40EA-B22E-DBB7060BFE46@bnc.net> <3A7C430E-AA1C-4CF3-88F5-F7A0EBE3273A@bnc.net> <20080731100821.GA15213@eos.sc1.parodius.com> Message-ID: <20080731110802.GB28990@eos.sc1.parodius.com> On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 12:48:02PM +0200, Achim Patzner wrote: > I don't care. I can see that; thanks for summing it up. >> The amount of rhetoric in these two paragraphs is amazing; I literally >> cannot tell if you're trolling with anti-FreeBSD propaganda, or if >> you're trolling with pro-FreeBSD propaganda. Congratulations, you've >> confused at least one reader. > > Wrong on both counts. I'm just using the appropriate tools for the jobs > that need to be done. And on the desktop FreeBSD just plain sucks in > comparison to Mac OS. And after all, Mac users need FreeBSD - who else > should provide them with all the nice things from ipfw to the user land? > Would you really expect Apple to do it all on its own? > > Face it: The real difference between servers and desktops is the "who > has to bend over"-question. Servers are adapted to the software they > are going to run while on "personal computers" the software has to adapt > to the machine ("I want that shiny Sony. I don't care if the hardware > sucks, it's beautiful."). And Chuck is quite definitely lacking at > bending > over... You just did it again -- anti-FreeBSD propaganda and pro-FreeBSD propaganda in a single paragraph, followed by an oddly-skewed server-to-desktop comparison, something about computer cosmetics, then a strange comment about the beastie/Chuck which seems to be negative but could be positive depending on how you look at it. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From tevans.uk at googlemail.com Thu Jul 31 12:35:08 2008 From: tevans.uk at googlemail.com (Tom Evans) Date: Thu Jul 31 12:35:15 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <86y73j341e.fsf@ds4.des.no> <86bq0ftjf6.fsf@ds4.des.no> <8C2BF4B9-14CD-40EA-B22E-DBB7060BFE46@bnc.net> Message-ID: <1217505964.78925.12.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 21:45 -0300, Carlos A. M. dos Santos wrote: > On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Achim Patzner wrote: > > Am 30.07.2008 um 18:40 schrieb Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav: > >> > >> I don't understand what Macs have to do with this - we're talking about > >> iX Systems's made-for-BSD laptop. > > > > The thread started with someone asking for a mobile computer that > > would support FreeBSD sufficiently and nobody came up with something > > fitting the bill (and being available somewhere). Considering the > > picture you're seeing at any place where more than two hardcore Unix > > users assemble you're seeing a majority of Macs. There has to be an > > obvious reason for that... I tried to break that habit more than once > > but right now the only comfortable way of running FreeBSD on a laptop > > is VMware Fusion on a Mac. Reading this entire thread convinced me > > even more. > > Please define "comfortable". I've been running FreeBSD 7.0 pretty > comfortably on my HP nx6320 for several months now. I never attempted > to use neither Bluetooth nor the fingerprint reader, so I don't miss > them. The only real drawback I've found was that the memory card > reader does not work. I also ran 8.0-CURRENT on a HP 6910p because 7.0 > did not support the WI-FI card. > > -- > Carlos Santos > Working, but not speaking (or advertising) for HP :-) Another happy BSD user on HP - nc6320 this time though. intel(4x) graphics, wpi(4) wifi, bge(4) networking, fwochi(4) firewire, serial port, plenty of USB ports. Even the fingerprint scanner works (security/libfprint). I don't use bluetooth or the card reader, so cannot comment on them. The one down side of my HP laptop is the HP BIOS refuses to start up with a different wifi card installed - I'd quite like to use an ath(4) based card.. I could imagine if you just need to play with an OS, or if you mainly develop the OS, running it under some sort of VM on a host system would be more useful. For me, running under VM would be a nightmare. Tom -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 195 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-mobile/attachments/20080731/00e8bb20/attachment.pgp From rainer at ultra-secure.de Thu Jul 31 13:00:48 2008 From: rainer at ultra-secure.de (Rainer Duffner) Date: Thu Jul 31 13:00:55 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: <20080731110802.GB28990@eos.sc1.parodius.com> References: <86y73j341e.fsf@ds4.des.no> <86bq0ftjf6.fsf@ds4.des.no> <8C2BF4B9-14CD-40EA-B22E-DBB7060BFE46@bnc.net> <3A7C430E-AA1C-4CF3-88F5-F7A0EBE3273A@bnc.net> <20080731100821.GA15213@eos.sc1.parodius.com> <20080731110802.GB28990@eos.sc1.parodius.com> Message-ID: <4891B134.5080303@ultra-secure.de> Jeremy Chadwick schrieb: > > > You just did it again -- anti-FreeBSD propaganda and pro-FreeBSD > propaganda in a single paragraph, followed by an oddly-skewed > server-to-desktop comparison, something about computer cosmetics, then a > strange comment about the beastie/Chuck which seems to be negative but > could be positive depending on how you look at it. > > But he has a point. Or better: I can see why he is so ambivalent. For some people it may be enough that you can boot a laptop with FreeBSD and it works with sound+gfx+wifi (if you buy wisely). E.g. it's OK for my Lifebook E8010 and it boots up fast enough so that not having ACPI suspend/resume isn't a drama. It also proved easier to upgrade than Ubuntu on the same hardware. But some people just want their notebook to work in the way it is intended to and with all features they actually paid money for. For those, Apple's offerings are hard to beat. Heck, Apple notebooks even beat Windows-notebooks from vendors who have been selling them for 10 or 15 years in terms of battery-life, mobility and usefulness on the road. No surprise here that FreeBSD loses out. Incidentially. if you go to a (BSD)-conference, even a lot of FreeBSD developers have Apple notebooks (not all, though - but you get Apple-logos galore...). Percentage may be even higher among CORE members - and there's nothing wrong about that. OTOH, I still prefer konsole and xterms on the above FreeBSD notebook, even compared to my (latest-generation) 24 inch iMac. It just feels "X'ier", if you know what I mean.... There are "voiced opinions" every couple of months that boil down to something along the line of: "Just get rid of all the [mobile|old|whatever] crap and concentrate on the server-space, I need [insert server-feature] more than I need this ACPI-stuff that didn't work for me anyway". But I don't think this leads anywhere ;-) Also, I feel it somehow denigrates the work committers do in this area - unpaid work, mostly (is anybody actually paid for hacking this stuff?), I assume. And isn't ACPI nowadays used universally to distribute resources (IRQs etc.) to expansion-cards, even in servers? cheers, Rainer From frank at exit.com Thu Jul 31 14:15:09 2008 From: frank at exit.com (Frank Mayhar) Date: Thu Jul 31 14:15:16 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <86y73j341e.fsf@ds4.des.no> <86bq0ftjf6.fsf@ds4.des.no> <8C2BF4B9-14CD-40EA-B22E-DBB7060BFE46@bnc.net> <3A7C430E-AA1C-4CF3-88F5-F7A0EBE3273A@bnc.net> <20080731100821.GA15213@eos.sc1.parodius.com> Message-ID: <1217513690.44523.3.camel@jill.exit.com> On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 12:48 +0200, Achim Patzner wrote: > Wrong on both counts. I'm just using the appropriate tools for the jobs > that need to be done. And on the desktop FreeBSD just plain sucks in > comparison to Mac OS. The problem is that you are expressing your opinion as if it is a Basic Fact of the Universe. It ain't. Get over it. (For the record, I've been running FreeBSD on laptops for, well, lots of years now. Not to mention on my main desktop system for a lot longer than that. I'm _very_ happy with it. On the other hand, the Mac interface annoys me endlessly. But of course that's _my_ opinion.) -- Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/ Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/ http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/ http://www.zazzle.com/fmayhar* From mwm at mired.org Thu Jul 31 15:55:56 2008 From: mwm at mired.org (Mike Meyer) Date: Thu Jul 31 15:56:03 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: <3A7C430E-AA1C-4CF3-88F5-F7A0EBE3273A@bnc.net> References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <86y73j341e.fsf@ds4.des.no> <86bq0ftjf6.fsf@ds4.des.no> <8C2BF4B9-14CD-40EA-B22E-DBB7060BFE46@bnc.net> <3A7C430E-AA1C-4CF3-88F5-F7A0EBE3273A@bnc.net> Message-ID: <20080731112904.52255aac@mbook.local> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:17:54 +0200 Achim Patzner wrote: > Getting X to run on the *censored* *even more censorship*? No problem, Like you say, it depends on what you want from X. Leopard's X was tolerable. Tiger broke full screen mode, and Apple doesn't have the resources to fix it. Running X tools in a Mac WM means you get the worst features of both, and I gave up on that after about 20 minutes. So I now run FreeBSD in VMWare - to get a usable X server and window manager. The apps - mostly from macports - all run under OSX. The application selection isn't as good as FreeBSD, but the results are about as close as you're going to get with full hardware support. FWIW, it looks like VirtualBox will have client-side tools support for FreeBSD in the next release (as in, it looks like it's in their repository), at which point that will become my preferred VM solution for FreeBSD clients. http://www.mired.org/consulting.html Independent Network/Unix/Perforce consultant, email for more information. O< ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org From unixmania at gmail.com Thu Jul 31 23:26:31 2008 From: unixmania at gmail.com (Carlos A. M. dos Santos) Date: Thu Jul 31 23:26:43 2008 Subject: Laptop suggestions? In-Reply-To: <1217505964.78925.12.camel@localhost> References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <86y73j341e.fsf@ds4.des.no> <86bq0ftjf6.fsf@ds4.des.no> <8C2BF4B9-14CD-40EA-B22E-DBB7060BFE46@bnc.net> <1217505964.78925.12.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 9:06 AM, Tom Evans wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 21:45 -0300, Carlos A. M. dos Santos wrote: >> Please define "comfortable". I've been running FreeBSD 7.0 pretty >> comfortably on my HP nx6320 for several months now. I never attempted >> to use neither Bluetooth nor the fingerprint reader, so I don't miss >> them. The only real drawback I've found was that the memory card >> reader does not work. I also ran 8.0-CURRENT on a HP 6910p because 7.0 >> did not support the WI-FI card. > Another happy BSD user on HP - nc6320 this time though. intel(4x) > graphics, wpi(4) wifi, bge(4) networking, fwochi(4) firewire, serial > port, plenty of USB ports. Even the fingerprint scanner works > (security/libfprint). > I don't use bluetooth or the card reader, so cannot comment on them. > > The one down side of my HP laptop is the HP BIOS refuses to start up > with a different wifi card installed - I'd quite like to use an ath(4) > based card.. Do you have an up-to-date BIOS? I had some problems booting from USB that I could solve using the latest BIOS version. -- If you think things can't get worse it's probably only because you lack sufficient imagination.