From amongrp at asianet.co.th Fri Aug 19 04:18:50 2005 From: amongrp at asianet.co.th (Body Wrap) Date: Fri Aug 19 04:20:07 2005 Subject: Who says you can rid of inches Message-ID: <002401c5a475$1a9309e0$3aa4f983@atloq> Dear Subscriber "You're really dealing with people who are overworked, low morale, stressed out," said Hamid Ghaffari, the union representative at the center in Palmdale which handles high-altitude aircraft in Southern California and parts of Arizona, Nevada and Utah. "Boy, that's not a good mixture for air traffic controllers." The FAA says the recent close calls resulted from human error unrelated to working conditions. The union's claims are nothing more than a negotiating ploy, said FAA spokesman Greg Martin. The current contract expires Sept. 30, though it would still be in effect so that controllers don't stop working. "We all know what's going on," Martin said. "We're in the middle of contract negotiations. It's a press release a day with each one being more outlandish than the last one." The federal government and controllers union have a history of discord dating back decades - President Reagan fired more than 10,000 controllers who illegally walked off the job in 1981. Controllers' gripes may be contract related, but their warnings of faulty equipment are legitimate, according to aviation analyst Mike Boyd said. "By and large, when they say things are not as safe as they need to be, take it to the bank," said Boyd, president of Colorado-based The Boyd Group. "I can understand their frustration." The numbers suggest the nation's aviation safety system is in good shape. No major airplane crashes have occurred in the U.S. since November 2001, when American Airlines Flight 587 lost its tail and plunged into a New York City neighborhood, killing 265 people. Runway safety violations during the first 10-plus months of the 2005 fiscal year totaled 277, compared to 295 during the same period in 2004, preliminary FAA statistics show. At the same time, those data show that "operational errors" - for example, when two airplanes get too close in the air - have increased over the same span from 988 to 1,308. Air traffic safety statistics may be unreliable, however, because in many cases, controllers report their own errors. Controllers claim that numbers do not tell the whole story. A highly touted anti-collision system failed to warn of a near-collision recently at New York's Kennedy Airport. The system also hasn't worked properly in Boston because, controllers point out, it shifts into limited mode during bad weather. FAA spokesman Martin said the anti-collision system, which has been in place for four years at the nation's top 34 airports, is just one component of the runway safety system - with pilots and controllers remaining the backbone. That's the point, according to controllers who complain of understaffing. A prime example is Los Angeles Center, where the two safety problems occurred during the past week, said Ghaffari, the facility's union representative. The control center is authorized to employ 310 controllers but has just 217 certified personnel and 48 trainees, including 21 who can do very little because they are brand new to the job, From mike at voicenette.com Sat Aug 20 10:10:16 2005 From: mike at voicenette.com (Mike Adewole) Date: Sat Aug 20 10:10:25 2005 Subject: Project BSDVISION Wants To Develop Native *BSD Console Desktop Message-ID: For many people who spend a lot of time on the *BSD console and would love to have a desktop environment comparable to KDE/GNOME, I'm starting a project called BSDVISION to develop such an environment. Please don't ask if such an environment is really needed or not; the important thing is that some people like me need it badly enough to want to develop it. As a matter of fact, it has been in development for some time now and I think it's getting to the point where it makes sense to ask for community involvement. But I'm not looking for developers because development will continue to be done by myself with the assistance of paid contractors. What I'm looking for is people to maintain a community infrastructure (web site, mailing list, online forum, webcvs/svn, etc) which a community project like this needs in order to appeal to as many people as possible. So if you love the BSD console and would like to see it sport a complete desktop environment, the bsdvision project can really use your support. And since this project developed from an attempt to do a cleanroom implementation of libh, we'll be using the old libh mailing list until we have another one. Come help us make *BSD a truly complete platform with the best console desktop environment in the universe :-) Cheers From bsd at afields.ca Sun Aug 21 21:55:42 2005 From: bsd at afields.ca (Allan Fields) Date: Sun Aug 21 21:55:44 2005 Subject: Project BSDVISION Wants To Develop Native *BSD Console Desktop In-Reply-To: <00d101c5a570$7b322050$6501a8c0@newton> References: <00d101c5a570$7b322050$6501a8c0@newton> Message-ID: <20050821215540.GC58723@afields.ca> On Sat, Aug 20, 2005 at 06:18:13AM -0400, Mike Adewole wrote: > For many people who spend a lot of time on the *BSD console and would love > to have a desktop environment comparable to KDE/GNOME, I'm starting a > project called BSDVISION to develop such an environment. Please don't ask if > such an environment is really needed or not; the important thing is that > some people like me need it badly enough to want to develop it. And here I thought you were talking about a desktop for us vt220 fans. There is already screen or emacs on that front. What about twin for example? What exactly is meant by a "console" desktop anyway other than something similar to early Windows that runs w/o X11? Can you also make a Unicode console for *BSD please? ;) > As a matter of fact, it has been in development for some time now and I > think it's getting to the point where it makes sense to ask for community > involvement. But I'm not looking for developers because development will > continue to be done by myself with the assistance of paid contractors. What > I'm looking for is people to maintain a community infrastructure (web site, > mailing list, online forum, webcvs/svn, etc) which a community project like > this needs in order to appeal to as many people as possible. > > So if you love the BSD console and would like to see it sport a complete > desktop environment, the bsdvision project can really use your support. And > since this project developed from an attempt to do a cleanroom > implementation of libh, we'll be using the old libh mailing list until we > have another one. Come help us make *BSD a truly complete platform with the > best console desktop environment in the universe :-) -- Allan Fields From mike at voicenette.com Sun Aug 21 23:45:20 2005 From: mike at voicenette.com (Mike Adewole) Date: Sun Aug 21 23:45:23 2005 Subject: Project BSDVISION Wants To Develop Native *BSD Console Desktop References: <00d101c5a570$7b322050$6501a8c0@newton> <20050821215540.GC58723@afields.ca> Message-ID: From: "Allan Fields" To: "Mike Adewole" Cc: ; Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 5:55 PM Subject: Re: Project BSDVISION Wants To Develop Native *BSD Console Desktop > On Sat, Aug 20, 2005 at 06:18:13AM -0400, Mike Adewole wrote: > > For many people who spend a lot of time on the *BSD console and would love > > to have a desktop environment comparable to KDE/GNOME, I'm starting a > > project called BSDVISION to develop such an environment. Please don't ask if > > such an environment is really needed or not; the important thing is that > > some people like me need it badly enough to want to develop it. > > And here I thought you were talking about a desktop for us vt220 fans. > There is already screen or emacs on that front. What about twin > for example? > > What exactly is meant by a "console" desktop anyway other than > something similar to early Windows that runs w/o X11? > > Can you also make a Unicode console for *BSD please? ;) > -- > Allan Fields > It's also for vt220 fans, actually, and quite similar to twin. "Console" desktop means a desktop for vt220 fans that can run on text terminals but also run on graphics hardware if available. Oh, and you'll be *pleased* to know the project supports unicode so we don't need a separate project for that :-) Cheers, Mike From kamalpr at yahoo.com Mon Aug 22 06:58:58 2005 From: kamalpr at yahoo.com (Kamal R. Prasad) Date: Mon Aug 22 06:59:00 2005 Subject: Project BSDVISION Wants To Develop Native *BSD Console Desktop In-Reply-To: <20050821215540.GC58723@afields.ca> Message-ID: <20050822065854.13780.qmail@web52714.mail.yahoo.com> > > And here I thought you were talking about a desktop > for us vt220 fans. > There is already screen or emacs on that front. A GUI has more than what emacs provides. > What about twin > for example? > close to what they are doing. > What exactly is meant by a "console" desktop anyway > other than > something similar to early Windows that runs w/o > X11? > It presumes the resources are present on the same machine rather than across the network as envisaged by the athena project. > Can you also make a Unicode console for *BSD please? > ;) If they get to developing their own fonts -they might. regards -kamal ------------------------------------------------------------ Kamal R. Prasad UNIX systems consultant http://www.kamalprasad.com/ kamalp@acm.org In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. ------------------------------------------------------------ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From mike at voicenette.com Tue Aug 23 02:41:41 2005 From: mike at voicenette.com (Mike Adewole) Date: Tue Aug 23 02:41:44 2005 Subject: Project BSDVISION Wants To Develop Native *BSD Console Desktop References: <20050821083920.4674.qmail@web52713.mail.yahoo.com> <20050821185825.GA702@doom.homeunix.org> Message-ID: From: "Igor Pokrovsky" To: Cc: "Mike Adewole" Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 2:58 PM Subject: Re: Project BSDVISION Wants To Develop Native *BSD Console Desktop > On Sun, Aug 21, 2005 at 01:39:20AM -0700, Kamal R. Prasad wrote: > > > It will be running on a virtual console in text or > > > graphics mode like > > > TurboVision used to, but we are focusing on text > > > mode for now. As I just > > > wrote to someone else, the main idea is to enable > > > BSD programs to have a > > > nice console (textual and graphical) interface with > > > and without any windows > > > system. So I could have a standalone program that > > > > Thst would be great to have and extend to a > > full-fledged GUI interface as X is overkill for lots > > of people. BTW -does it use drivers for graphics > > accelerator cards? > > Heh, what are you going to accelerate in text mode? 8-) > > -ip > > -- > Go where the money is. > "Console" includes text mode but does not necessarily exclude graphics mode. Haven't you seen turbovision running in graphics mode ? We may eventually have to deal with accelerator cards but that's a looong way off. Cheers, Mike