freebsddom and java's flaming hoops
kwerle at pobox.com
Wed Oct 22 11:31:38 PDT 2003
>> I wonder how they do it.
> with a lot of NDAs and possibly money changing hands? and not having the
> JVM source available to users? all of which contradict the spirit,
> purpose, and capabilities of FreeBSD?
If I really want to, I can grab the Java sources. No matter who ships
what, you always have to NDA to SUN if you want Java source. I just want
the binaries. For that, I shouldn't need to jump hoops. (NOTE
**SHOULD** not need to - this is the ideal)
> if you want an OS producer that can and does act like a closed-source
> for-profit corporation, there are at least two for you to choose
> from. enjoy.
Do you mean FreeBSD producers? Who and who? If I can buy a CD that would
get me a solid FreeBSD system with Java included, I'll STFU.
> meanwhile, the FreeBSD guys have gone god-knows-how-many rounds with Sun
> to make all this happen, outside of the coding effort itself. not only
> that, but they've produced tangible, useful results.
And believe me, I appreciate the hell outta that!
> I don't think we're
> in any position to provide unconstructive criticism regarding features of
> the situation that no one can really control.
1. I am in a position to complain. I'm a user. It's what users do.
It's up to suppliers to decide whether the users should get what they want
(yeah, that's a somewhat rhetorical statement).
2. Clearly, someone can control the situation. It may take money, it may
take favors, it may take asking.
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