From usmanbsd at yahoo.com Thu Mar 5 15:27:48 2009 From: usmanbsd at yahoo.com (muhammad usman) Date: Thu Mar 5 15:27:56 2009 Subject: rate limiting mail server In-Reply-To: <49A38202.7010506@amplex.net> Message-ID: <389006.84764.qm@web56404.mail.re3.yahoo.com> In any case implementing?first layer of?tcp syn proxy will be always useful, just one command for everyone. ? http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/filter.html#synproxy ? after that use any other layer of limitation as others suggested. ? --- On Tue, 2/24/09, Mark E Doner wrote: From: Mark E Doner Subject: rate limiting mail server To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 10:13 AM Greetings, I am running a fairly large mail server, FreeBSD, of course. It is predominantly for residential customers, so educating the end users to not fall for the scams is never going to happen. Whenever we have a customer actually hand over their login credentials, we quickly see a huge flood of inbound connections from a small handful of IP addresses on ports 25 and 587, all authenticate as whatever customer fell for the scam du jour, and of course, load goes through the roof as I get a few thousand extra junk messages to process in a matter of minutes. Thinking about using PF to rate limit inbound connections, stuff the hog wild connection rates into a table and drop them quickly. My question is, I know how to do this, PF syntax is easy, but has anyone ever tried this? How many new connections per minute from a single source are acceptable, and what is blatantly malicious? And, once I have determined that, how long should I leave the offenders in the blocklist? Any thoughts appreciated, Mark _______________________________________________ freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From jakelleydds at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 6 03:40:29 2009 From: jakelleydds at sbcglobal.net (Jeff Kelley, DDS) Date: Fri Mar 6 03:40:36 2009 Subject: Know Thyself: Self-Screening for Oral Cancer Message-ID: Greetings from Jeff Kelley, DDS! Know Thyself: Self-Screening for Oral Cancer When it comes to leading a long, healthy life, it?s always best to know yourself. While this advice can take on significant philosophical meaning, I?m talking about knowing yourself better physically. Being in tune with your body and watching out for early symptoms of disease can be your ticket to perpetually good health. Every hour of every day somebody in the United States dies of oral cancer. This serious dental disease, which affects the mouth, lips or throat, is often highly curable if diagnosed and treated in its early stages. When you go in for your regular dental exam, you?re also being screened for oral cancer. While that?s fine and dandy, it?s best to go a step beyond, screening yourself at home regularly. This is doubly true for those who drink excessive amounts of alcohol, use tobacco products, are regularly exposed to sunlight, have lip-biting and cheek-chewing habits or have ill-fitting dentures, as all of these characteristics put you at greater risk. Here?s how to screen for oral cancer at home: - Examine yourself in the mirror. The left and right sides of the face and neck should have the same shape. Check for swelling, lumps and bumps. - Look at your skin and note any changes in the color or size of sores, moles or other growths. - Press your fingers along the sides and front of your neck. Do you feel any tenderness or swelling? - Pull your lower lip out and look for any sores. Use your thumb and forefinger to feel the upper and lower lips for lumps or texture changes. - Examine the insides of your cheeks for red, white or dark patches. Gently squeeze and roll each cheek between your index finger and thumb to check for bumps and tenderness. - Tilt your head back to check the roof of your mouth, and then run your finger along the surface. Do you feel or see any unusual lumps or discoloration? - Check out the top, bottom and sides of your tongue, including the soft tissue under it. Once again, note any swelling, discoloration or unusual lumps. Symptoms of oral cancer include: sores on the face, neck or mouth that do not heal within a couple of weeks; swelling, lumps or bumps on the lips and gums; chronic bleeding in the mouth; white, red or dark patches in your lips, cheeks, gums or tongue; and numbness, loss of feeling or general pain in any area of the face, mouth or neck. If you experience any of these symptoms, or find something unusual during your self-exam, call our office at (817)877-1651 immediately for an appointment! If you have questions regarding dental health, please call us at (817)877-1651 or email us at jakelleydds@sbcglobal.net today. Best Regards, Jeff Kelley, DDS P.S. If you have any friends or family members who you feel could use our services, please don't hesitate to have them call us. We'll be sure to take good care of them. From drleute at familydentistportwashington.com Fri Mar 6 04:20:15 2009 From: drleute at familydentistportwashington.com (Dr. Josh Leute) Date: Fri Mar 6 04:20:22 2009 Subject: Know Thyself: Self-Screening for Oral Cancer Message-ID: Greetings from Dr. Josh Leute! Know Thyself: Self-Screening for Oral Cancer When it comes to leading a long, healthy life, it?s always best to know yourself. While this advice can take on significant philosophical meaning, I?m talking about knowing yourself better physically. Being in tune with your body and watching out for early symptoms of disease can be your ticket to perpetually good health. Every hour of every day somebody in the United States dies of oral cancer. This serious dental disease, which affects the mouth, lips or throat, is often highly curable if diagnosed and treated in its early stages. When you go in for your regular dental exam, you?re also being screened for oral cancer. While that?s fine and dandy, it?s best to go a step beyond, screening yourself at home regularly. This is doubly true for those who drink excessive amounts of alcohol, use tobacco products, are regularly exposed to sunlight, have lip-biting and cheek-chewing habits or have ill-fitting dentures, as all of these characteristics put you at greater risk. Here?s how to screen for oral cancer at home: - Examine yourself in the mirror. The left and right sides of the face and neck should have the same shape. Check for swelling, lumps and bumps. - Look at your skin and note any changes in the color or size of sores, moles or other growths. - Press your fingers along the sides and front of your neck. Do you feel any tenderness or swelling? - Pull your lower lip out and look for any sores. Use your thumb and forefinger to feel the upper and lower lips for lumps or texture changes. - Examine the insides of your cheeks for red, white or dark patches. Gently squeeze and roll each cheek between your index finger and thumb to check for bumps and tenderness. - Tilt your head back to check the roof of your mouth, and then run your finger along the surface. Do you feel or see any unusual lumps or discoloration? - Check out the top, bottom and sides of your tongue, including the soft tissue under it. Once again, note any swelling, discoloration or unusual lumps. Symptoms of oral cancer include: sores on the face, neck or mouth that do not heal within a couple of weeks; swelling, lumps or bumps on the lips and gums; chronic bleeding in the mouth; white, red or dark patches in your lips, cheeks, gums or tongue; and numbness, loss of feeling or general pain in any area of the face, mouth or neck. If you experience any of these symptoms, or find something unusual during your self-exam, call our office at (262)284-5884 immediately for an appointment! 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In-Reply-To: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> ????????????, Barney. ?? ?????? 11 ??????? 2009 ?., 13:40:47: > Obviously this list is nothing but spam. Is there a place where FreeBSD-based ISPs hang out? We are here =) -- ? ?????????, ????????? ????????????? Ozerki.Net/Cifracom.Ru ?????? ????? mailto:dyr@homelink.ru From steve at ibctech.ca Tue Mar 17 19:36:52 2009 From: steve at ibctech.ca (Steve Bertrand) Date: Tue Mar 17 19:36:59 2009 Subject: ISPs? In-Reply-To: <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> Message-ID: <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> Dennis Yusupoff wrote: > ????????????, Barney. > > ?? ?????? 11 ??????? 2009 ?., 13:40:47: > >> Obviously this list is nothing but spam. Is there a place where FreeBSD-based ISPs hang out? > > We are here =) I'll throw my hat in with a "so are we!". Steve -- Steve Bertrand Sr. Network Engineer eagle.ca Internet Services http://eagle.ca 905.373.9313 sbe96-arin From odhiambo at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 23:53:55 2009 From: odhiambo at gmail.com (Remorque) Date: Tue Mar 17 23:54:02 2009 Subject: Freeside 1.7 Implementation Message-ID: <991123400903172353k69aacb71o3eb2091efee51a0d@mail.gmail.com> Hello SysAdmin types, Are there some of you who have deployed Freeside in their environments? I do have a few questions about it. The system seems good (so far) but the documentation is a problem and the mailing list is near dormant. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "The only time a woman really succeeds in changing a man is when he is a baby." - Natalie Wood From michael at staff.openaccess.org Wed Mar 18 01:15:17 2009 From: michael at staff.openaccess.org (Michael DeMan (OA)) Date: Wed Mar 18 01:15:24 2009 Subject: Freeside 1.7 Implementation In-Reply-To: <991123400903172353k69aacb71o3eb2091efee51a0d@mail.gmail.com> References: <991123400903172353k69aacb71o3eb2091efee51a0d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C09FE8.20306@staff.openaccess.org> Hi, No, we have never used that, we ended up writing our own java based software package for billing and trouble ticket management. Writing this kind of software in-house is a huge 'soft expense', but has provided us with the flexibility we have needed over the years to be able to customize things and such. We are (finally) looking at doing VOIP next year, Freeside seems interesting. "Remorque" wrote: > Hello SysAdmin types, > > Are there some of you who have deployed Freeside in their environments? I do > have a few questions about it. > The system seems good (so far) but the documentation is a problem and the > mailing list is near dormant. > > > From bruce at yoafrica.com Wed Mar 18 01:55:37 2009 From: bruce at yoafrica.com (Bruce Grobler) Date: Wed Mar 18 01:55:44 2009 Subject: ISPs? In-Reply-To: <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> Message-ID: <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> We are here!!! :D Regards, Bruce Grobler Yo!Africa - Network Engineer Landline: +263-4-701300, Cellphone: +263-91-2364532 Skype ID: bruce.grobler -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Steve Bertrand Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:37 AM To: Dennis Yusupoff Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISPs? Dennis Yusupoff wrote: > ????????????, Barney. > > ?? ?????? 11 ??????? 2009 ?., 13:40:47: > >> Obviously this list is nothing but spam. Is there a place where FreeBSD-based ISPs hang out? > > We are here =) I'll throw my hat in with a "so are we!". Steve -- Steve Bertrand Sr. Network Engineer eagle.ca Internet Services http://eagle.ca 905.373.9313 sbe96-arin _______________________________________________ freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From eric.morrow at smithvilledigital.net Wed Mar 18 06:04:16 2009 From: eric.morrow at smithvilledigital.net (Eric Morrow) Date: Wed Mar 18 06:04:22 2009 Subject: ISPs? In-Reply-To: <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> Message-ID: <49C0E9E3.50405@smithvilledigital.net> Hi. :D -- Eric Morrow Systems Engineer Core and Commercial Data Services Smithville Digital Bruce Grobler wrote: > We are here!!! > > :D > > > Regards, > > Bruce Grobler > Yo!Africa - Network Engineer > Landline: +263-4-701300, Cellphone: +263-91-2364532 > Skype ID: bruce.grobler > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org] > On Behalf Of Steve Bertrand > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:37 AM > To: Dennis Yusupoff > Cc: isp@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: ISPs? > > Dennis Yusupoff wrote: > >> ????????????, Barney. >> >> ?? ?????? 11 ??????? 2009 ?., 13:40:47: >> >> >>> Obviously this list is nothing but spam. Is there a place where >>> > FreeBSD-based ISPs hang out? > >> We are here =) >> > > I'll throw my hat in with a "so are we!". > > Steve > > From odhiambo at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 06:16:18 2009 From: odhiambo at gmail.com (Remorque) Date: Wed Mar 18 06:16:24 2009 Subject: ISPs? In-Reply-To: <49C0E9E3.50405@smithvilledigital.net> References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C0E9E3.50405@smithvilledigital.net> Message-ID: <991123400903180616q2df500dei37886803bf401dfc@mail.gmail.com> IIRC, this used to be a very active list sometimes back - perhaps 5 years ago. It would appear all the SysAdmins either got promoted to Managerial positions or retired! :) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "The only time a woman really succeeds in changing a man is when he is a baby." - Natalie Wood From heidi at internode.com.au Wed Mar 18 14:49:38 2009 From: heidi at internode.com.au (Heidi Angove) Date: Wed Mar 18 14:49:45 2009 Subject: ISPs? In-Reply-To: <49C0E9E3.50405@smithvilledigital.net> References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C0E9E3.50405@smithvilledigital.net> Message-ID: <63EC1C2F-9B4A-42BA-A9BC-7CA73E3A5C18@internode.com.au> Hello, Internode - Australian ISP On 18/03/2009, at 11:02 PM, Eric Morrow wrote: > Hi. > > :D > > -- > Eric Morrow > Systems Engineer > Core and Commercial Data Services > Smithville Digital > > > > Bruce Grobler wrote: >> We are here!!! >> >> :D >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Bruce Grobler >> Yo!Africa - Network Engineer >> Landline: +263-4-701300, Cellphone: +263-91-2364532 >> Skype ID: bruce.grobler >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org >> ] >> On Behalf Of Steve Bertrand >> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:37 AM >> To: Dennis Yusupoff >> Cc: isp@freebsd.org >> Subject: Re: ISPs? >> >> Dennis Yusupoff wrote: >> >>> ????????????, Barney. >>> >>> ?? ?????? 11 ??????? 2009 ?., 13:40:47: >>> >>> >>>> Obviously this list is nothing but spam. Is there a place where >>>> >> FreeBSD-based ISPs hang out? >> >>> We are here =) >>> >> >> I'll throw my hat in with a "so are we!". >> >> Steve >> >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From bruce at yoafrica.com Wed Mar 18 14:54:51 2009 From: bruce at yoafrica.com (Bruce Grobler) Date: Wed Mar 18 14:54:58 2009 Subject: ISPs? In-Reply-To: <63EC1C2F-9B4A-42BA-A9BC-7CA73E3A5C18@internode.com.au> References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C0E9E3.50405@smithvilledigital.net> <63EC1C2F-9B4A-42BA-A9BC-7CA73E3A5C18@internode.com.au> Message-ID: <000b01c9a813$f9bfee80$ed3fcb80$@com> Well there's a plan, Yo!Africa - Zimbabwean ISP -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Heidi Angove Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:34 PM To: Eric Morrow Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISPs? Hello, Internode - Australian ISP On 18/03/2009, at 11:02 PM, Eric Morrow wrote: > Hi. > > :D > > -- > Eric Morrow > Systems Engineer > Core and Commercial Data Services > Smithville Digital > > > > Bruce Grobler wrote: >> We are here!!! >> >> :D >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Bruce Grobler >> Yo!Africa - Network Engineer >> Landline: +263-4-701300, Cellphone: +263-91-2364532 >> Skype ID: bruce.grobler >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org >> ] >> On Behalf Of Steve Bertrand >> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:37 AM >> To: Dennis Yusupoff >> Cc: isp@freebsd.org >> Subject: Re: ISPs? >> >> Dennis Yusupoff wrote: >> >>> ????????????, Barney. >>> >>> ?? ?????? 11 ??????? 2009 ?., 13:40:47: >>> >>> >>>> Obviously this list is nothing but spam. Is there a place where >>>> >> FreeBSD-based ISPs hang out? >> >>> We are here =) >>> >> >> I'll throw my hat in with a "so are we!". >> >> Steve >> >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" _______________________________________________ freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From neil at neely.cx Wed Mar 18 21:33:24 2009 From: neil at neely.cx (Neil Neely) Date: Wed Mar 18 21:33:30 2009 Subject: ISPs? In-Reply-To: <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> Message-ID: <49C1C3D0.5060304@neely.cx> We at FRII have been a FreeBSD based ISP since '96 Though we're moving more and more of our operation over to CentOS these days. -- Neil Neely http://neil-neely.blogspot.com/ From blake at ekalb.net Thu Mar 19 00:21:00 2009 From: blake at ekalb.net (Blake Covarrubias) Date: Thu Mar 19 00:21:07 2009 Subject: ISPs? In-Reply-To: <49C1C3D0.5060304@neely.cx> References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C1C3D0.5060304@neely.cx> Message-ID: Hello, I'm with an ISP serving portions AZ and CA, using FreeBSD almost exclusively. -- Blake Covarrubias On Mar 18, 2009, at 9:02 PM, Neil Neely wrote: > We at FRII have been a FreeBSD based ISP since '96 > > Though we're moving more and more of our operation over to CentOS > these days. > -- > Neil Neely > http://neil-neely.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From christian at errxtx.net Thu Mar 19 06:00:41 2009 From: christian at errxtx.net (Christian Meutes) Date: Thu Mar 19 06:02:06 2009 Subject: ISPs? In-Reply-To: References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C1C3D0.5060304@neely.cx> Message-ID: <5F9EF08A583352985E262800@tok> Hi, I guess you guys do this especially for server services e.g. hosting stuff and not really for routing (BGP, OSPF/ISIS etc.), right? --On Donnerstag, 19. M?rz 2009 00:02 -0700 Blake Covarrubias wrote: > Hello, > > I'm with an ISP serving portions AZ and CA, using FreeBSD almost > exclusively. > > -- > Blake Covarrubias > > On Mar 18, 2009, at 9:02 PM, Neil Neely wrote: > >> We at FRII have been a FreeBSD based ISP since '96 >> >> Though we're moving more and more of our operation over to CentOS >> these days. >> -- >> Neil Neely >> http://neil-neely.blogspot.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From steve at ibctech.ca Thu Mar 19 06:13:16 2009 From: steve at ibctech.ca (Steve Bertrand) Date: Thu Mar 19 06:13:22 2009 Subject: ISPs? In-Reply-To: <5F9EF08A583352985E262800@tok> References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C1C3D0.5060304@neely.cx> <5F9EF08A583352985E262800@tok> Message-ID: <49C244E0.2020001@ibctech.ca> Christian Meutes wrote: > Hi, > > I guess you guys do this especially for server services e.g. hosting stuff > and not really for routing (BGP, OSPF/ISIS etc.), right? Wrong ;) Although we have a hosting arm that uses FreeBSD (and a few Windows boxes). However, I have several edge and RTBH trigger routers that run FreeBSD/Quagga (BGP, OSPF) for our IPv4 and IPv6. So, you are not the only one :) Steve From peter at spekreijse.net Thu Mar 19 06:38:09 2009 From: peter at spekreijse.net (Peter Spekreijse) Date: Thu Mar 19 06:38:17 2009 Subject: ISPs? In-Reply-To: <5F9EF08A583352985E262800@tok> References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C1C3D0.5060304@neely.cx> <5F9EF08A583352985E262800@tok> Message-ID: <49C24561.5090301@spekreijse.net> Hi, > I guess you guys do this especially for server services e.g. hosting stuff > and not really for routing (BGP, OSPF/ISIS etc.), right? We do use it for routing, using FreeBSD, booting from flash, running completely in RAM. We have created a solid state BGP/OSPF router with FreeBSD. Our border routers run Quagga (bgp and ospf) but we are in the process of moving to OpenBGPD / OpenOSPFD. Our internal routers already use OpenOSPFD. We are using Network Appliances from portwell as hardware (8 * 1 Gbit/sec ethernet). We're in process of testing other appliances. Regards, Peter. AS16350 > --On Donnerstag, 19. M?rz 2009 00:02 -0700 Blake Covarrubias > wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I'm with an ISP serving portions AZ and CA, using FreeBSD almost >> exclusively. >> >> -- >> Blake Covarrubias >> >> On Mar 18, 2009, at 9:02 PM, Neil Neely wrote: >> >>> We at FRII have been a FreeBSD based ISP since '96 >>> >>> Though we're moving more and more of our operation over to CentOS >>> these days. >>> -- >>> Neil Neely >>> http://neil-neely.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From michael at staff.openaccess.org Thu Mar 19 06:52:36 2009 From: michael at staff.openaccess.org (Michael DeMan (OA)) Date: Thu Mar 19 06:52:43 2009 Subject: ISPs? In-Reply-To: <49C24561.5090301@spekreijse.net> References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C1C3D0.5060304@neely.cx> <5F9EF08A583352985E262800@tok> <49C24561.5090301@spekreijse.net> Message-ID: <49C24E21.90001@staff.openaccess.org> Yes, We use FreeBSD + Quagga. Looks like ECMP will finally be in FreeBSD 8, which is a huge issue for us, unless anybody else has a workaround for: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=182728+0+/usr/local/www/db/text/2006/freebsd-net/20060319.freebsd-net Basically, say we have two paths to a given subnet. If a router directly connected to that subnet does not have the interface configured yet, but the router already has a route to that subnet via OSPF (say hopping through a few other routers) then we can not add the directly connected interface. Peter Spekreijse wrote: > > Hi, > > >> I guess you guys do this especially for server services e.g. hosting >> stuff >> and not really for routing (BGP, OSPF/ISIS etc.), right? > > > We do use it for routing, using FreeBSD, booting from flash, running > completely in RAM. We have created a solid state BGP/OSPF router with > FreeBSD. Our border routers run Quagga (bgp and ospf) but we are in > the process of moving to OpenBGPD / OpenOSPFD. Our internal routers > already use OpenOSPFD. We are using Network Appliances from portwell > as hardware (8 * 1 Gbit/sec ethernet). We're in process of testing > other appliances. > > > Regards, > > Peter. > AS16350 > > > >> --On Donnerstag, 19. M?rz 2009 00:02 -0700 Blake Covarrubias >> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I'm with an ISP serving portions AZ and CA, using FreeBSD almost >>> exclusively. >>> >>> -- >>> Blake Covarrubias >>> >>> On Mar 18, 2009, at 9:02 PM, Neil Neely wrote: >>> >>>> We at FRII have been a FreeBSD based ISP since '96 >>>> >>>> Though we're moving more and more of our operation over to CentOS >>>> these days. >>>> -- >>>> Neil Neely >>>> http://neil-neely.blogspot.com/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From steve at ibctech.ca Thu Mar 19 07:17:46 2009 From: steve at ibctech.ca (Steve Bertrand) Date: Thu Mar 19 07:17:59 2009 Subject: ISPs? In-Reply-To: <49C24561.5090301@spekreijse.net> References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C1C3D0.5060304@neely.cx> <5F9EF08A583352985E262800@tok> <49C24561.5090301@spekreijse.net> Message-ID: <49C253FE.3010408@ibctech.ca> Peter Spekreijse wrote: > > Hi, > > >> I guess you guys do this especially for server services e.g. hosting >> stuff >> and not really for routing (BGP, OSPF/ISIS etc.), right? > > > We do use it for routing, using FreeBSD, booting from flash, running > completely in RAM. We have created a solid state BGP/OSPF router with > FreeBSD. Our border routers run Quagga (bgp and ospf) but we are in the > process of moving to OpenBGPD / OpenOSPFD. Our internal routers already > use OpenOSPFD. We are using Network Appliances from portwell as hardware > (8 * 1 Gbit/sec ethernet). We're in process of testing other appliances. We do the exact same thing, some of our boxes boot from USB thumb stick. What I love about this setup, is that one can clone the flash memory, and have an immediate backup. Not only that, you can boot up any USB bootable hardware and have an instantaneous lab box that replicates the production routers. Test upgrades, major changes, and them roll them back into the production image. Out of curiosity, why are you moving to Open*? Steve From peter at spekreijse.net Thu Mar 19 07:35:38 2009 From: peter at spekreijse.net (Peter Spekreijse) Date: Thu Mar 19 07:35:44 2009 Subject: ISPs? In-Reply-To: <49C253FE.3010408@ibctech.ca> References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C1C3D0.5060304@neely.cx> <5F9EF08A583352985E262800@tok> <49C24561.5090301@spekreijse.net> <49C253FE.3010408@ibctech.ca> Message-ID: <49C2583D.30502@spekreijse.net> Steve Bertrand schreef: > Peter Spekreijse wrote: >> Hi, >> >> >>> I guess you guys do this especially for server services e.g. hosting >>> stuff >>> and not really for routing (BGP, OSPF/ISIS etc.), right? >> >> We do use it for routing, using FreeBSD, booting from flash, running >> completely in RAM. We have created a solid state BGP/OSPF router with >> FreeBSD. Our border routers run Quagga (bgp and ospf) but we are in the >> process of moving to OpenBGPD / OpenOSPFD. Our internal routers already >> use OpenOSPFD. We are using Network Appliances from portwell as hardware >> (8 * 1 Gbit/sec ethernet). We're in process of testing other appliances. > > We do the exact same thing, some of our boxes boot from USB thumb stick. > > What I love about this setup, is that one can clone the flash memory, > and have an immediate backup. > > Not only that, you can boot up any USB bootable hardware and have an > instantaneous lab box that replicates the production routers. > > Test upgrades, major changes, and them roll them back into the > production image. > > Out of curiosity, why are you moving to Open*? We've two full bgp tables in our border routers (275K+ prefixes per table). The quagga version we use get's real busy if one of our BGP peers disappears suddenly. It starts recalculating the routing table and neglects the BGP sessions. Sometimes the other BGP sessions time-out, then we lose every route. The OpenBGPD BGP daemon is split in three threads and doesn't have this problem. Regards, -- Peter Spekreijse E: peter@spekreijse.net T: +31-742672764 M: +31-641922460 From chris at arnold.se Thu Mar 19 08:21:14 2009 From: chris at arnold.se (Christopher Arnold) Date: Thu Mar 19 08:21:33 2009 Subject: ISPs? In-Reply-To: <49C2583D.30502@spekreijse.net> References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C1C3D0.5060304@neely.cx> <5F9EF08A583352985E262800@tok> <49C24561.5090301@spekreijse.net> <49C253FE.3010408@ibctech.ca> <49C2583D.30502@spekreijse.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Peter Spekreijse wrote: >> Peter Spekreijse wrote: >>> We do use it for routing, using FreeBSD, booting from flash, running >>> completely in RAM. We have created a solid state BGP/OSPF router with >>> FreeBSD. Our border routers run Quagga (bgp and ospf) but we are in the >>> process of moving to OpenBGPD / OpenOSPFD. Our internal routers already >>> use OpenOSPFD. We are using Network Appliances from portwell as hardware >>> (8 * 1 Gbit/sec ethernet). We're in process of testing other appliances. >> What thruput and PPS are you seeing on theese? > We've two full bgp tables in our border routers (275K+ prefixes per table). > The quagga version we use get's real busy if one of our BGP peers disappears > suddenly. It starts recalculating the routing table and neglects the BGP > sessions. Sometimes the other BGP sessions time-out, then we lose every > route. > Opps very bad... Have you tried going SMP so one CPU can dio the BGP thread and the other forwarding and updating the route table? Or are you using polling(4)? In that case have you tried to give more % of the CPU to the userland processes? /Chris -- http://www.arnold.se/chris/ From christian at errxtx.net Thu Mar 19 08:35:38 2009 From: christian at errxtx.net (Christian Meutes) Date: Thu Mar 19 08:35:57 2009 Subject: ISPs? In-Reply-To: References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C1C3D0.5060304@neely.cx> <5F9EF08A583352985E262800@tok> <49C24561.5090301@spekreijse.net> <49C253FE.3010408@ibctech.ca> <49C2583D.30502@spekreijse.net> Message-ID: <17AF069575D7E2B24912CFBA@tok> I am also very interested in pps with IMIX type of traffic you are having. How does FreeBSD with $preferred_BGP_daemon scales on IX with dozens or hundred of peers and having two or more full feeds? How fast is the convergence in IGP/BGP? And how do you guys do configuration changes without interrupting everything (reloading daemon)? --On Donnerstag, 19. M?rz 2009 15:54 +0100 Christopher Arnold wrote: > > > On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Peter Spekreijse wrote: > >>> Peter Spekreijse wrote: >>>> We do use it for routing, using FreeBSD, booting from flash, running >>>> completely in RAM. We have created a solid state BGP/OSPF router with >>>> FreeBSD. Our border routers run Quagga (bgp and ospf) but we are in the >>>> process of moving to OpenBGPD / OpenOSPFD. Our internal routers already >>>> use OpenOSPFD. We are using Network Appliances from portwell as >>>> hardware (8 * 1 Gbit/sec ethernet). We're in process of testing other >>>> appliances. >>> > What thruput and PPS are you seeing on theese? > >> We've two full bgp tables in our border routers (275K+ prefixes per >> table). The quagga version we use get's real busy if one of our BGP >> peers disappears suddenly. It starts recalculating the routing table >> and neglects the BGP sessions. Sometimes the other BGP sessions >> time-out, then we lose every route. >> > Opps very bad... > > Have you tried going SMP so one CPU can dio the BGP thread and the other > forwarding and updating the route table? > > Or are you using polling(4)? In that case have you tried to give more % > of the CPU to the userland processes? > > /Chris > > -- > http://www.arnold.se/chris/ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From bruce at yoafrica.com Thu Mar 19 08:55:05 2009 From: bruce at yoafrica.com (Bruce Grobler) Date: Thu Mar 19 08:55:11 2009 Subject: ISPs? In-Reply-To: <49C244E0.2020001@ibctech.ca> References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C1C3D0.5060304@neely.cx> <5F9EF08A583352985E262800@tok> <49C244E0.2020001@ibctech.ca> Message-ID: <000301c9a898$265b41e0$7311c5a0$@com> Hmmm, we use a different approach, FreeBSD for our server's (exclusively besides for that one windows box :D), and cisco for all the routing & switching. -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Steve Bertrand Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:13 PM To: Christian Meutes Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISPs? Christian Meutes wrote: > Hi, > > I guess you guys do this especially for server services e.g. hosting stuff > and not really for routing (BGP, OSPF/ISIS etc.), right? Wrong ;) Although we have a hosting arm that uses FreeBSD (and a few Windows boxes). However, I have several edge and RTBH trigger routers that run FreeBSD/Quagga (BGP, OSPF) for our IPv4 and IPv6. So, you are not the only one :) Steve _______________________________________________ freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From blake at ekalb.net Thu Mar 19 10:12:26 2009 From: blake at ekalb.net (Blake Covarrubias) Date: Thu Mar 19 10:12:33 2009 Subject: ISPs? In-Reply-To: <000301c9a898$265b41e0$7311c5a0$@com> References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C1C3D0.5060304@neely.cx> <5F9EF08A583352985E262800@tok> <49C244E0.2020001@ibctech.ca> <000301c9a898$265b41e0$7311c5a0$@com> Message-ID: <97D7A096-8D44-4515-B619-74A96D45D4C6@ekalb.net> On Mar 19, 2009, at 6:39 AM, Bruce Grobler wrote: > Hmmm, we use a different approach, FreeBSD for our server's > (exclusively > besides for that one windows box :D), and cisco for all the routing & > switching. Same. Most of our servers are Unix-based with our routing and switching done on Cisco, except for two OpenBSD machines (CARP, pfsync). We have a few Linux machines doing stuff like Xen, L7-Filter, and running vendor proprietary software. I'm hoping to replace the Linux L7-Filter machine with FreeBSD running ipfw-classifyd as soon as it becomes stable. -- Blake Covarrubias From christian at errxtx.net Thu Mar 19 10:29:33 2009 From: christian at errxtx.net (Christian Meutes) Date: Thu Mar 19 10:29:40 2009 Subject: ISPs? In-Reply-To: <2248A227-6C54-44BC-A376-D0C655E0FA3E@inoc.net> References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C1C3D0.5060304@neely.cx> <5F9EF08A583352985E262800@tok> <49C24561.5090301@spekreijse.net> <49C253FE.3010408@ibctech.ca> <49C2583D.30502@spekreijse.net> <17AF069575D7E2B24912CFBA@tok> <2248A227-6C54-44BC-A376-D0C655E0FA3E@inoc.net> Message-ID: <5AB259F1E8FF821DE71DD070@tok> Hi, --On Donnerstag, 19. M?rz 2009 12:56 -0400 Robert Blayzor wrote: > I'm sure FreeBSD (or any *nix based platform for that matter) can > probably smoke most routers control planes when it comes to routing > tables and convergence if properly built on the right hardware. Take one > quad core processor with 4GB of RAM and you can probably handle 100's if > not thousands of peers and a dozen+ full route views. true, in theory a uptodate x86 CPU is very fast in software stuff and should handle hundred of peers without any problems. But what is with the reality? Its not only about hardware, its about the right implementation too. We all know how "fast" and "bugfree" windows is on highend PCs ;-) > The big question is PPS forwarding. Where most high performance routers > do this with ASIC's, the actual packet forwarding THROUGH the device is > in hardware and completely off the CPU.... FreeBSD has to do it in > software, so that's where it loses BIG. Ciscos new software platform, the ASR1000, does everything in software. Its in theory the perfect edge device, if it would be already bugfree and would have all the features and hardware support the others have. I believe it routes linerate 10GE, can has ACLs, QoS and all the sophisticated stuff enabled at the same time. Beside pps in which iam very interested its also operation of routers without downtime in cause of small configuration changes. From rblayzor.bulk at inoc.net Thu Mar 19 10:53:28 2009 From: rblayzor.bulk at inoc.net (Robert Blayzor) Date: Thu Mar 19 10:53:34 2009 Subject: ISPs? In-Reply-To: <5AB259F1E8FF821DE71DD070@tok> References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C1C3D0.5060304@neely.cx> <5F9EF08A583352985E262800@tok> <49C24561.5090301@spekreijse.net> <49C253FE.3010408@ibctech.ca> <49C2583D.30502@spekreijse.net> <17AF069575D7E2B24912CFBA@tok> <2248A227-6C54-44BC-A376-D0C655E0FA3E@inoc.net> <5AB259F1E8FF821DE71DD070@tok> Message-ID: On Mar 19, 2009, at 1:29 PM, Christian Meutes wrote: > Ciscos new software platform, the ASR1000, does everything in > software. Its > in theory the perfect edge device, if it would be already bugfree > and would > have all the features and hardware support the others have. I > believe it routes > linerate 10GE, can has ACLs, QoS and all the sophisticated stuff > enabled at > the same time. I don't think that's true. I believe the ASR's are very hardware assisted by the route processor. (the control plane is completely isolated). I believe the SIP is what actually handles the forwarding via hardware. Also the fact you can do in-service software upgrades leads me to believe that router has hardware based forwarding as well. Line-rate 10GE with all the ACL's/QoS/MPLS/L2TP/encryption, etc. only in software would be very difficult to do in software without installing a furnace in the rack! ;-) -- Robert Blayzor, BOFH INOC, LLC rblayzor@inoc.net http://www.inoc.net/~rblayzor/ From christian at errxtx.net Thu Mar 19 12:10:31 2009 From: christian at errxtx.net (Christian Meutes) Date: Thu Mar 19 12:10:51 2009 Subject: ISPs? In-Reply-To: <49C29031.3080700@ieee.org> References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C1C3D0.5060304@neely.cx> <5F9EF08A583352985E262800@tok> <49C24561.5090301@spekreijse.net> <49C253FE.3010408@ibctech.ca> <49C2583D.30502@spekreijse.net> <17AF069575D7E2B24912CFBA@tok> <2248A227-6C54-44BC-A376-D0C655E0FA3E@inoc.net> <5AB259F1E8FF821DE71DD070@tok> <49C29031.3080700@ieee.org> Message-ID: <103304E3680B5E3079B1B03F@tok> Hi, --On Donnerstag, 19. M?rz 2009 13:34 -0500 "Alex H. Ryu" wrote: > Cisco ASR1000 uses embedded linux, but also uses ASIC level special chip > to archive line-rate processing, which Juniper and other vendors adapted > long time ago. > > Performance will be varied how far you can tune the system for optimal > performance. what do you mean by that "uses ASIC level special chip"? ASICs are also used in a wide variety in cisco products since years, e.g. PFC/Sup/6500/7600, GSRs, CRS etc.. ASRs uses the Quantum Flow Processor - maybe it also uses some asics but the main focus lies in that platform on the software architecture part. The problem many hardware architectures have is the flexibility and "simplicity" of feature/software implementation which are often just not possible in many hardware architectures or very hard to implement and take years until working. The ASR has nearly the same features as a VXR, which is ciscos swiss-army-knife in terms of features so its a bit different then the other hardware products around... From r.hyunseog at ieee.org Thu Mar 19 12:10:43 2009 From: r.hyunseog at ieee.org (Alex H. Ryu) Date: Thu Mar 19 12:11:04 2009 Subject: ISPs? In-Reply-To: <5AB259F1E8FF821DE71DD070@tok> References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C1C3D0.5060304@neely.cx> <5F9EF08A583352985E262800@tok> <49C24561.5090301@spekreijse.net> <49C253FE.3010408@ibctech.ca> <49C2583D.30502@spekreijse.net> <17AF069575D7E2B24912CFBA@tok> <2248A227-6C54-44BC-A376-D0C655E0FA3E@inoc.net> <5AB259F1E8FF821DE71DD070@tok> Message-ID: <49C29031.3080700@ieee.org> Cisco ASR1000 uses embedded linux, but also uses ASIC level special chip to archive line-rate processing, which Juniper and other vendors adapted long time ago. Performance will be varied how far you can tune the system for optimal performance. Alex Christian Meutes wrote: > Hi, > > --On Donnerstag, 19. M?rz 2009 12:56 -0400 Robert Blayzor > wrote: > >> I'm sure FreeBSD (or any *nix based platform for that matter) can >> probably smoke most routers control planes when it comes to routing >> tables and convergence if properly built on the right hardware. Take one >> quad core processor with 4GB of RAM and you can probably handle 100's if >> not thousands of peers and a dozen+ full route views. > > true, in theory a uptodate x86 CPU is very fast in software stuff and > should > handle hundred of peers without any problems. But what is with the > reality? > Its not only about hardware, its about the right implementation too. > We all > know how "fast" and "bugfree" windows is on highend PCs ;-) > >> The big question is PPS forwarding. Where most high performance routers >> do this with ASIC's, the actual packet forwarding THROUGH the device is >> in hardware and completely off the CPU.... FreeBSD has to do it in >> software, so that's where it loses BIG. > > Ciscos new software platform, the ASR1000, does everything in > software. Its > in theory the perfect edge device, if it would be already bugfree and > would > have all the features and hardware support the others have. I believe > it routes > linerate 10GE, can has ACLs, QoS and all the sophisticated stuff > enabled at > the same time. > > Beside pps in which iam very interested its also operation of routers > without > downtime in cause of small configuration changes. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > From r.hyunseog at ieee.org Thu Mar 19 12:52:17 2009 From: r.hyunseog at ieee.org (Alex H. Ryu) Date: Thu Mar 19 12:52:23 2009 Subject: ISPs? In-Reply-To: <103304E3680B5E3079B1B03F@tok> References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C1C3D0.5060304@neely.cx> <5F9EF08A583352985E262800@tok> <49C24561.5090301@spekreijse.net> <49C253FE.3010408@ibctech.ca> <49C2583D.30502@spekreijse.net> <17AF069575D7E2B24912CFBA@tok> <2248A227-6C54-44BC-A376-D0C655E0FA3E@inoc.net> <5AB259F1E8FF821DE71DD070@tok> <49C29031.3080700@ieee.org> <103304E3680B5E3079B1B03F@tok> Message-ID: <49C2A265.7030501@ieee.org> I think big thing for ASR1000 is QFP as you said. Cisco uses ASIC chip for some time, but unlike Juniper and other vendors, Cisco IOS still rely on main CPU for a lot of features for most of their products. For VXR platform and other legacy Cisco routers, I still see the occasion that CPU is highly involved in traffic forwarding. For an example, when BGP scanner is running, I see high latency from the router. >From that viewpoint, QFP was improved a lot. When vendor uses ASIC chip, real difference is coming from what they put in ASIC chip. >From my experience, Cisco IOS is not well separated the function for routing control plane and forwarding plane. Nowadays most of routers have two distinct functions - routing control plane, and actual forwarding plane -. Using FreeBSD for router will be fine for routing control plane, but most benefit you can get from commercial router product is that they have special hardware to process forwarding plan separated from routing control plane, and most traffic doesn't need to be touched by main CPU. Alex Christian Meutes wrote: > Hi, > > --On Donnerstag, 19. M?rz 2009 13:34 -0500 "Alex H. Ryu" > wrote: > >> Cisco ASR1000 uses embedded linux, but also uses ASIC level special chip >> to archive line-rate processing, which Juniper and other vendors adapted >> long time ago. >> >> Performance will be varied how far you can tune the system for optimal >> performance. > > what do you mean by that "uses ASIC level special chip"? > ASICs are also used in a wide variety in cisco products since years, > e.g. PFC/Sup/6500/7600, GSRs, CRS etc.. > > ASRs uses the Quantum Flow Processor - maybe it also uses some asics > but the main focus lies in that platform on the software architecture > part. The problem many hardware architectures have is the flexibility > and "simplicity" of feature/software implementation which are often > just not possible in many hardware architectures or very hard to > implement > and take years until working. The ASR has nearly the same features > as a VXR, which is ciscos swiss-army-knife in terms of features so its > a bit different then the other hardware products around... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > From steve at ibctech.ca Thu Mar 19 15:56:55 2009 From: steve at ibctech.ca (Steve Bertrand) Date: Thu Mar 19 15:57:14 2009 Subject: ISPs? In-Reply-To: References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C1C3D0.5060304@neely.cx> <5F9EF08A583352985E262800@tok> <49C24561.5090301@spekreijse.net> <49C253FE.3010408@ibctech.ca> <49C2583D.30502@spekreijse.net> Message-ID: <49C2CDAC.60500@ibctech.ca> Christopher Arnold wrote: > > > On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Peter Spekreijse wrote: > >>> Peter Spekreijse wrote: >>>> We do use it for routing, using FreeBSD, booting from flash, running >>>> completely in RAM. We have created a solid state BGP/OSPF router with >>>> FreeBSD. Our border routers run Quagga (bgp and ospf) but we are in the >>>> process of moving to OpenBGPD / OpenOSPFD. Our internal routers already >>>> use OpenOSPFD. We are using Network Appliances from portwell as >>>> hardware >>>> (8 * 1 Gbit/sec ethernet). We're in process of testing other >>>> appliances. >>> > What thruput and PPS are you seeing on theese? In production, at 0.00% interrupt, 686Mbps, <2% load, 133Kpps. > >> We've two full bgp tables in our border routers (275K+ prefixes per >> table). The quagga version we use get's real busy if one of our BGP >> peers disappears suddenly. It starts recalculating the routing table >> and neglects the BGP sessions. Sometimes the other BGP sessions >> time-out, then we lose every route. >> > Opps very bad... > > Have you tried going SMP so one CPU can dio the BGP thread and the other > forwarding and updating the route table? Unfortunately, I don't do full v4 routes yet, only IPv6. That said, next week I will be turning up my first IPv4 session that will receive full routes. It would be handy to test this out before deploying in full production. Out of curiosity, is there anyone here who could possibly help out this ISP do a test? Is anyone in a position to possibly eBGP multi-hop a full table to a route server I have internally here? Of course I would completely null-route the learnt routes, obey any no-export communities, and forbid my internal route server from distributing the routes into the network. Nice to see some ISP discussion for a change ;) Steve From chris at arnold.se Thu Mar 19 16:06:06 2009 From: chris at arnold.se (Christopher Arnold) Date: Thu Mar 19 16:06:13 2009 Subject: ISPs? In-Reply-To: <49C2CDAC.60500@ibctech.ca> References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C1C3D0.5060304@neely.cx> <5F9EF08A583352985E262800@tok> <49C24561.5090301@spekreijse.net> <49C253FE.3010408@ibctech.ca> <49C2583D.30502@spekreijse.net> <49C2CDAC.60500@ibctech.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Steve Bertrand wrote: > Christopher Arnold wrote: >> >> >> On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Peter Spekreijse wrote: >> >>>> Peter Spekreijse wrote: >>>>> We do use it for routing, using FreeBSD, booting from flash, running >>>>> completely in RAM. We have created a solid state BGP/OSPF router with >>>>> FreeBSD. Our border routers run Quagga (bgp and ospf) but we are in the >>>>> process of moving to OpenBGPD / OpenOSPFD. Our internal routers already >>>>> use OpenOSPFD. We are using Network Appliances from portwell as >>>>> hardware >>>>> (8 * 1 Gbit/sec ethernet). We're in process of testing other >>>>> appliances. >>>> >> What thruput and PPS are you seeing on theese? > > In production, at 0.00% interrupt, 686Mbps, <2% load, 133Kpps. > How many interfaces are you routing inbetween? Btw, what are the ballpark prices for those appliances. Please reply offline if you fell it is sensitive to share. > That said, next week I will be turning up my first IPv4 session that > will receive full routes. It would be handy to test this out before > deploying in full production. > > Out of curiosity, is there anyone here who could possibly help out this > ISP do a test? > > Is anyone in a position to possibly eBGP multi-hop a full table to a > route server I have internally here? Of course I would completely > null-route the learnt routes, obey any no-export communities, and forbid > my internal route server from distributing the routes into the network. > Shure no problem, give me a host and you will receive a table from London. AS39779 ip 87.117.214.90 > Nice to see some ISP discussion for a change ;) > Very nice. /Chris From steve at ibctech.ca Thu Mar 19 16:17:50 2009 From: steve at ibctech.ca (Steve Bertrand) Date: Thu Mar 19 16:17:56 2009 Subject: ISPs? In-Reply-To: References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C1C3D0.5060304@neely.cx> <5F9EF08A583352985E262800@tok> <49C24561.5090301@spekreijse.net> <49C253FE.3010408@ibctech.ca> <49C2583D.30502@spekreijse.net> <49C2CDAC.60500@ibctech.ca> Message-ID: <49C2D293.6070507@ibctech.ca> Christopher Arnold wrote: >>> What thruput and PPS are you seeing on theese? >> >> In production, at 0.00% interrupt, 686Mbps, <2% load, 133Kpps. >> > How many interfaces are you routing inbetween? Currently: - 7 physical 'em' - 6 loopback - 1 discard - 14 sub-ints off of the em devices > Btw, what are the ballpark prices for those appliances. Please reply > offline if you fell it is sensitive to share. This particular one: http://www.mikrotikrouter.com/732.asp I paid ~$1500 CDN for. I have other custom ones, and even some that are simply 2U servers stuffed with NICs. I'm sure I could get up to 500Kpps if I really tried. >> Is anyone in a position to possibly eBGP multi-hop a full table to a >> route server I have internally here? Of course I would completely >> null-route the learnt routes, obey any no-export communities, and forbid >> my internal route server from distributing the routes into the network. >> > Shure no problem, give me a host and you will receive a table from London. > AS39779 ip 87.117.214.90 Wow! Beautiful! 208.70.111.101 AS14270 I'll have this set up this evening ;) >> Nice to see some ISP discussion for a change ;) >> > Very nice. Myself, I could do without the server-side stuff anymore. I really enjoy the network side of things. I'm pushing us through a relatively major transformation in our network right now from topology down. I'm glad this discussion came up, as some people give you a virtual dirty look when you say you are a smaller ISP and use host-based routers to push packets. Cheers! Steve From steve at ibctech.ca Thu Mar 19 17:08:20 2009 From: steve at ibctech.ca (Steve Bertrand) Date: Thu Mar 19 17:08:27 2009 Subject: ISPs? In-Reply-To: References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C1C3D0.5060304@neely.cx> <5F9EF08A583352985E262800@tok> <49C24561.5090301@spekreijse.net> <49C253FE.3010408@ibctech.ca> <49C2583D.30502@spekreijse.net> <49C2CDAC.60500@ibctech.ca> Message-ID: <49C2DE69.2070409@ibctech.ca> Christopher Arnold wrote: > > On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Steve Bertrand wrote: >> Is anyone in a position to possibly eBGP multi-hop a full table to a >> route server I have internally here? Of course I would completely >> null-route the learnt routes, obey any no-export communities, and forbid >> my internal route server from distributing the routes into the network. >> > Shure no problem, give me a host and you will receive a table from London. > AS39779 ip 87.117.214.90 Chris, given that you provided your info publicly, I figured you wouldn't mind me providing my config to the list. Before I do, I'd like to share a thought I had, to see if there is any interest. I have two dual-CPU, 4GB servers sitting in my lab idle. These units can be expanded to 32GB of RAM. Both of the boxes are identical Rackable Systems units. If there is enough interest, perhaps we could configure these units up, one with FreeBSD/Quagga, and the other with Open*, and feed these boxes with as many full tables as we collectively can. I could then set up lab networks in behind each one, and test things such as convergence time and the like. We could also use this as a test to measure how particular OS 'tweaks' affect routers with a large scale of peers and tables. If others are interested in such a project, let me know. It would be a community effort, so access to the boxes via the management plane would obviously be available. Anyway, here is my quick & dirty peering arrangement for the route server: bgp router-id 208.70.111.101 neighbor rs-feeds peer-group neighbor rs-feeds ebgp-multihop 254 neighbor rs-feeds update-source lo101 neighbor rs-feeds soft-reconfiguration inbound neighbor rs-feeds maximum-prefix 310000 neighbor rs-feeds prefix-list TESTING-DENY-OUT out neighbor rs-feeds route-map ROUTE-SERVER-IN in neighbor 87.117.214.90 remote-as 39779 neighbor 87.117.214.90 description RS Peer chris@arnold.se route-map ROUTE-SERVER-IN permit 10 set community no-export no-advertise additive set ip next-hop 192.0.2.2 ip prefix-list TESTING-DENY-OUT seq 5 deny 0.0.0.0/0 le 32 ...and the platform currently (this is one USB thumb stick image I haven't upgraded yet): # zebra -v zebra version 0.99.11 (running bgpd, ospf, zebra, vtysh) # uname -a FreeBSD rs.eagle.ca 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #0: Fri Aug 29 12:46:00 EDT 2008 Steve From domain-registration at takizo.com Tue Mar 24 04:32:18 2009 From: domain-registration at takizo.com (Paul Ooi Cong Jen) Date: Tue Mar 24 04:32:24 2009 Subject: ISPs? In-Reply-To: <000b01c9a813$f9bfee80$ed3fcb80$@com> References: <153046.19925.qm@web63901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <907077794.20090317173752@homelink.ru> <49C05E35.8070609@ibctech.ca> <001501c9a795$07058de0$1510a9a0$@com> <49C0E9E3.50405@smithvilledigital.net> <63EC1C2F-9B4A-42BA-A9BC-7CA73E3A5C18@internode.com.au> <000b01c9a813$f9bfee80$ed3fcb80$@com> Message-ID: <25D30F2B-B856-497B-A4CB-7DB4560DBB4B@takizo.com> Global Transit - Malaysian ISP :D On Mar 19, 2009, at 5:53 AM, Bruce Grobler wrote: > Well there's a plan, > > Yo!Africa - Zimbabwean ISP > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > ] > On Behalf Of Heidi Angove > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:34 PM > To: Eric Morrow > Cc: isp@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: ISPs? > > > Hello, > > Internode - Australian ISP > > > On 18/03/2009, at 11:02 PM, Eric Morrow wrote: > >> Hi. >> >> :D >> >> -- >> Eric Morrow >> Systems Engineer >> Core and Commercial Data Services >> Smithville Digital >> >> >> >> Bruce Grobler wrote: >>> We are here!!! >>> >>> :D >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Bruce Grobler >>> Yo!Africa - Network Engineer >>> Landline: +263-4-701300, Cellphone: +263-91-2364532 >>> Skype ID: bruce.grobler >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > >>> ] >>> On Behalf Of Steve Bertrand >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:37 AM >>> To: Dennis Yusupoff >>> Cc: isp@freebsd.org >>> Subject: Re: ISPs? >>> >>> Dennis Yusupoff wrote: >>> >>>> ????????????, Barney. >>>> >>>> ?? ?????? 11 ??????? 2009 ?., 13:40:47: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Obviously this list is nothing but spam. Is there a place where >>>>> >>> FreeBSD-based ISPs hang out? >>> >>>> We are here =) >>>> >>> >>> I'll throw my hat in with a "so are we!". >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp- >> unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From edller at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 07:51:49 2009 From: edller at gmail.com (Edller) Date: Tue Mar 24 07:51:57 2009 Subject: freebsd-isp Digest, Vol 282, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <20090324120013.CB39E10656C6@hub.freebsd.org> References: <20090324120013.CB39E10656C6@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <113e5e3d0903240731w442a2c39ya12eb03c2b67a5a4@mail.gmail.com> Well, Maybe is my fault but where do I find backlog information about WISP tools and softwares. I am new to this area and need some help. I would like to build my own linux or freebsd embedded solution to lower costs. Thank you very much. Edller 2009/3/24 > Send freebsd-isp mailing list submissions to > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > freebsd-isp-request@freebsd.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > freebsd-isp-owner@freebsd.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of freebsd-isp digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: ISPs? (Paul Ooi Cong Jen) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Paul Ooi Cong Jen > To: bruce@yoafrica.com > Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:51:33 +0800 > Subject: Re: ISPs? > Global Transit - Malaysian ISP :D > > > On Mar 19, 2009, at 5:53 AM, Bruce Grobler wrote: > > Well there's a plan, >> >> Yo!Africa - Zimbabwean ISP >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org >> ] >> On Behalf Of Heidi Angove >> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:34 PM >> To: Eric Morrow >> Cc: isp@freebsd.org >> Subject: Re: ISPs? >> >> >> Hello, >> >> Internode - Australian ISP >> >> >> On 18/03/2009, at 11:02 PM, Eric Morrow wrote: >> >> Hi. >>> >>> :D >>> >>> -- >>> Eric Morrow >>> Systems Engineer >>> Core and Commercial Data Services >>> Smithville Digital >>> >>> >>> >>> Bruce Grobler wrote: >>> >>>> We are here!!! >>>> >>>> :D >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Bruce Grobler >>>> Yo!Africa - Network Engineer >>>> Landline: +263-4-701300, Cellphone: +263-91-2364532 >>>> Skype ID: bruce.grobler >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org [mailto: >>>> owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org >>>> >>> >> ] >>>> On Behalf Of Steve Bertrand >>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:37 AM >>>> To: Dennis Yusupoff >>>> Cc: isp@freebsd.org >>>> Subject: Re: ISPs? >>>> >>>> Dennis Yusupoff wrote: >>>> >>>> ????????????, Barney. >>>>> >>>>> ?? ?????? 11 ??????? 2009 ?., 13:40:47: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Obviously this list is nothing but spam. Is there a place where >>>>>> >>>>>> FreeBSD-based ISPs hang out? >>>> >>>> We are here =) >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I'll throw my hat in with a "so are we!". >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From jon.otterholm at ide.resurscentrum.se Thu Mar 26 03:17:39 2009 From: jon.otterholm at ide.resurscentrum.se (Jon Otterholm) Date: Thu Mar 26 03:17:46 2009 Subject: ISPs? In-Reply-To: <49C2CDAC.60500@ibctech.ca> Message-ID: On 2009-03-19 23.56, "Steve Bertrand" wrote: > Christopher Arnold wrote: >> >> >> On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Peter Spekreijse wrote: >> >>>> Peter Spekreijse wrote: >>>>> We do use it for routing, using FreeBSD, booting from flash, running >>>>> completely in RAM. We have created a solid state BGP/OSPF router with >>>>> FreeBSD. Our border routers run Quagga (bgp and ospf) but we are in the >>>>> process of moving to OpenBGPD / OpenOSPFD. Our internal routers already >>>>> use OpenOSPFD. We are using Network Appliances from portwell as >>>>> hardware >>>>> (8 * 1 Gbit/sec ethernet). We're in process of testing other >>>>> appliances. >>>> >> What thruput and PPS are you seeing on theese? > > In production, at 0.00% interrupt, 686Mbps, <2% load, 133Kpps. What about Xorp? Openbgpd seems to be a good choice when choosing a routing deamon, but if you want to run FreeBSD there seems to be some issue with port maintainers at the moment... Has anyone tried out Xorp to do BGP in production or lab? //JO From michael at staff.openaccess.org Thu Mar 26 03:33:43 2009 From: michael at staff.openaccess.org (Michael DeMan (OA)) Date: Thu Mar 26 03:33:48 2009 Subject: ISPs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49CB5A05.7050408@staff.openaccess.org> Yes, Maintenance with FBSD has been a problem across the board since Apple got back on track. Meanwhile, most of the interesting work is happening on linux nowadays anyway? I checked into OpenBGP a few years ago, maybe its changed, but Quagga just was so much easier since we have limited staff. Its the old school thing like QWERTY keyboard, where they are not the best, but everybody knows how to use them? Jon Otterholm wrote: > On 2009-03-19 23.56, "Steve Bertrand" wrote: > > >> Christopher Arnold wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Peter Spekreijse wrote: >>> >>> >>>>> Peter Spekreijse wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> We do use it for routing, using FreeBSD, booting from flash, running >>>>>> completely in RAM. We have created a solid state BGP/OSPF router with >>>>>> FreeBSD. Our border routers run Quagga (bgp and ospf) but we are in the >>>>>> process of moving to OpenBGPD / OpenOSPFD. Our internal routers already >>>>>> use OpenOSPFD. We are using Network Appliances from portwell as >>>>>> hardware >>>>>> (8 * 1 Gbit/sec ethernet). We're in process of testing other >>>>>> appliances. >>>>>> >>> What thruput and PPS are you seeing on theese? >>> >> In production, at 0.00% interrupt, 686Mbps, <2% load, 133Kpps. >> > > What about Xorp? Openbgpd seems to be a good choice when choosing a routing > deamon, but if you want to run FreeBSD there seems to be some issue with > port maintainers at the moment... Has anyone tried out Xorp to do BGP in > production or lab? > > //JO > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > From michael at staff.openaccess.org Thu Mar 26 03:35:33 2009 From: michael at staff.openaccess.org (Michael DeMan (OA)) Date: Thu Mar 26 03:35:39 2009 Subject: multicast Message-ID: <49CB5A74.5060801@staff.openaccess.org> So what are folks doing for MAN/WAN level multicast and/or MPLS? Anybody out there ahead of the rest of us and willing to share a few nuggets of information? From steve at ibctech.ca Mon Mar 30 16:50:30 2009 From: steve at ibctech.ca (Steve Bertrand) Date: Mon Mar 30 16:50:38 2009 Subject: ISPs? In-Reply-To: <993681.74438.qm@web63903.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <993681.74438.qm@web63903.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49D15AC3.7060607@ibctech.ca> Barney Cordoba wrote: >> From: Steve Bertrand >>>> In production, at 0.00% interrupt, 686Mbps, <2% >> load, 133Kpps. >>> How many interfaces are you routing inbetween? >> Currently: >> >> - 7 physical 'em' >> - 6 loopback >> - 1 discard >> - 14 sub-ints off of the em devices >> > > Obviously those load numbers are either incorrect or > you're leaving something out. What version of the > OS are you running? How many cores? What are the values > of your idle threads? Although the number of virtual interfaces has changed slightly since my original post: CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz (3000.12-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0xf65 Stepping = 5 Logical CPUs per core: 2 real memory = 2139025408 (2039 MB) avail memory = 2087784448 (1991 MB) router# cat /var/run/dmesg.boot | grep em /var/run/dmesg.boot | grep Eth em0: Ethernet address: 00:60:e0:42:b1:76 em1: Ethernet address: 00:60:e0:42:b1:77 em2: Ethernet address: 00:60:e0:42:b1:78 em3: Ethernet address: 00:60:e0:42:b1:79 em4: Ethernet address: 00:60:e0:42:b1:7a em5: Ethernet address: 00:60:e0:42:b1:7b em6: Ethernet address: 00:60:e0:42:b1:7c router# grep interface /usr/local/etc/quagga/*.conf zebra.conf:interface disc0 zebra.conf:interface em0 zebra.conf:interface em1 zebra.conf:interface em1.10 zebra.conf:interface em1.11 zebra.conf:interface em1.99 zebra.conf:interface em2 zebra.conf:interface em2.98 zebra.conf:interface em3 zebra.conf:interface em3.300 zebra.conf:interface em4 zebra.conf:interface em5 zebra.conf:interface em5.107 zebra.conf:interface em5.162 zebra.conf:interface em5.163 zebra.conf:interface em5.164 zebra.conf:interface em5.303 zebra.conf:interface em6 zebra.conf:interface gif0 zebra.conf:interface gif1 zebra.conf:interface lo0 zebra.conf:interface lo1 zebra.conf:interface lo2 zebra.conf:interface lo3 zebra.conf:interface lo6 zebra.conf:interface lo10 I can reproduce the statistics tomorrow. Just tell me exactly what output from what commands you are interested in. Steve From barney_cordoba at yahoo.com Mon Mar 30 17:02:47 2009 From: barney_cordoba at yahoo.com (Barney Cordoba) Date: Mon Mar 30 17:02:53 2009 Subject: ISPs? In-Reply-To: <49C2D293.6070507@ibctech.ca> Message-ID: <993681.74438.qm@web63903.mail.re1.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Steve Bertrand wrote: > From: Steve Bertrand > Subject: Re: ISPs? > To: "Christopher Arnold" > Cc: isp@freebsd.org > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 7:17 PM > Christopher Arnold wrote: > > >>> What thruput and PPS are you seeing on theese? > >> > >> In production, at 0.00% interrupt, 686Mbps, <2% > load, 133Kpps. > >> > > How many interfaces are you routing inbetween? > > Currently: > > - 7 physical 'em' > - 6 loopback > - 1 discard > - 14 sub-ints off of the em devices > Obviously those load numbers are either incorrect or you're leaving something out. What version of the OS are you running? How many cores? What are the values of your idle threads? Barney From steve at ibctech.ca Mon Mar 30 17:03:42 2009 From: steve at ibctech.ca (Steve Bertrand) Date: Mon Mar 30 17:03:49 2009 Subject: ISPs? In-Reply-To: <49D15AC3.7060607@ibctech.ca> References: <993681.74438.qm@web63903.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <49D15AC3.7060607@ibctech.ca> Message-ID: <49D15DDB.8030708@ibctech.ca> Steve Bertrand wrote: > Barney Cordoba wrote: >>> From: Steve Bertrand > >>>>> In production, at 0.00% interrupt, 686Mbps, <2% >>> load, 133Kpps. >>>> How many interfaces are you routing inbetween? >>> Currently: >>> >>> - 7 physical 'em' >>> - 6 loopback >>> - 1 discard >>> - 14 sub-ints off of the em devices >>> >> Obviously those load numbers are either incorrect or >> you're leaving something out. What version of the >> OS are you running? How many cores? What are the values >> of your idle threads? ...and: router# uname -a FreeBSD *** 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #0: Fri Aug 29 12:46:00 EDT 2008 root@core:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ROUTER i386 > Although the number of virtual interfaces has changed slightly since my > original post: > > CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz (3000.12-MHz 686-class CPU) > Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0xf65 Stepping = 5 > Logical CPUs per core: 2 > real memory = 2139025408 (2039 MB) > avail memory = 2087784448 (1991 MB) > > router# cat /var/run/dmesg.boot | grep em /var/run/dmesg.boot | grep Eth > em0: Ethernet address: 00:60:e0:42:b1:76 > em1: Ethernet address: 00:60:e0:42:b1:77 > em2: Ethernet address: 00:60:e0:42:b1:78 > em3: Ethernet address: 00:60:e0:42:b1:79 > em4: Ethernet address: 00:60:e0:42:b1:7a > em5: Ethernet address: 00:60:e0:42:b1:7b > em6: Ethernet address: 00:60:e0:42:b1:7c > > router# grep interface /usr/local/etc/quagga/*.conf > > zebra.conf:interface disc0 > zebra.conf:interface em0 > zebra.conf:interface em1 > zebra.conf:interface em1.10 > zebra.conf:interface em1.11 > zebra.conf:interface em1.99 > zebra.conf:interface em2 > zebra.conf:interface em2.98 > zebra.conf:interface em3 > zebra.conf:interface em3.300 > zebra.conf:interface em4 > zebra.conf:interface em5 > zebra.conf:interface em5.107 > zebra.conf:interface em5.162 > zebra.conf:interface em5.163 > zebra.conf:interface em5.164 > zebra.conf:interface em5.303 > zebra.conf:interface em6 > zebra.conf:interface gif0 > zebra.conf:interface gif1 > zebra.conf:interface lo0 > zebra.conf:interface lo1 > zebra.conf:interface lo2 > zebra.conf:interface lo3 > zebra.conf:interface lo6 > zebra.conf:interface lo10 > > I can reproduce the statistics tomorrow. Just tell me exactly what > output from what commands you are interested in. > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From barney_cordoba at yahoo.com Tue Mar 31 04:48:37 2009 From: barney_cordoba at yahoo.com (Barney Cordoba) Date: Tue Mar 31 04:48:43 2009 Subject: ISPs? In-Reply-To: <49D15AC3.7060607@ibctech.ca> Message-ID: <808603.91207.qm@web63905.mail.re1.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 3/30/09, Steve Bertrand wrote: > From: Steve Bertrand > Subject: Re: ISPs? > To: barney_cordoba@yahoo.com > Cc: isp@freebsd.org > Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 7:50 PM > Barney Cordoba wrote: > >> From: Steve Bertrand > > >>>> In production, at 0.00% interrupt, > 686Mbps, <2% > >> load, 133Kpps. > >>> How many interfaces are you routing inbetween? > >> Currently: > >> > >> - 7 physical 'em' > >> - 6 loopback > >> - 1 discard > >> - 14 sub-ints off of the em devices > >> > > > > Obviously those load numbers are either incorrect or > > you're leaving something out. What version of the > > OS are you running? How many cores? What are the > values > > of your idle threads? > > Although the number of virtual interfaces has changed > slightly since my > original post: > > CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz (3000.12-MHz > 686-class CPU) > Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0xf65 Stepping = > 5 > Logical CPUs per core: 2 > real memory = 2139025408 (2039 MB) > avail memory = 2087784448 (1991 MB) > > router# cat /var/run/dmesg.boot | grep em > /var/run/dmesg.boot | grep Eth > em0: Ethernet address: 00:60:e0:42:b1:76 > em1: Ethernet address: 00:60:e0:42:b1:77 > em2: Ethernet address: 00:60:e0:42:b1:78 > em3: Ethernet address: 00:60:e0:42:b1:79 > em4: Ethernet address: 00:60:e0:42:b1:7a > em5: Ethernet address: 00:60:e0:42:b1:7b > em6: Ethernet address: 00:60:e0:42:b1:7c > > router# grep interface /usr/local/etc/quagga/*.conf > > zebra.conf:interface disc0 > zebra.conf:interface em0 > zebra.conf:interface em1 > zebra.conf:interface em1.10 > zebra.conf:interface em1.11 > zebra.conf:interface em1.99 > zebra.conf:interface em2 > zebra.conf:interface em2.98 > zebra.conf:interface em3 > zebra.conf:interface em3.300 > zebra.conf:interface em4 > zebra.conf:interface em5 > zebra.conf:interface em5.107 > zebra.conf:interface em5.162 > zebra.conf:interface em5.163 > zebra.conf:interface em5.164 > zebra.conf:interface em5.303 > zebra.conf:interface em6 > zebra.conf:interface gif0 > zebra.conf:interface gif1 > zebra.conf:interface lo0 > zebra.conf:interface lo1 > zebra.conf:interface lo2 > zebra.conf:interface lo3 > zebra.conf:interface lo6 > zebra.conf:interface lo10 > > I can reproduce the statistics tomorrow. Just tell me > exactly what > output from what commands you are interested in. uname would be useful, as you didn't mention what vers of FreeBSD you have. run 'top -S' in FreeBSD 7 or 'top -SH' in FreeBSD 8. Look at the cpu idle threads, and also "other" threads that may show significant usage. The numbers rarely add up as there are accounting issues. But FreeBSD 7 doesn't account for interrupt usage the same as previous versions. I never used 5 or 6 (mainly because they sucked) so I'm not sure when it changed. the em driver in 7 and 8 uses a newfangled concept of "interrupt filters" so you should see a queue task. But again, I'm not sure what version it was changed. Barney