From jakelleydds at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 3 11:44:06 2009 From: jakelleydds at sbcglobal.net (Jeff Kelley, DDS) Date: Fri Jul 3 11:44:13 2009 Subject: Ten great reasons not to dodge your next cleaning appointment! Message-ID: <92925f4ae007453b89ca3c622e8d3aaa@1stnewsletters.com> Greetings from Jeff Kelley, DDS! Ten Great Reasons Not to Dodge Your Dental Cleaning Appointment! Sure, regular cleanings with our office promote good oral hygiene, but did you know they can also prevent a multitude of diseases? That two o?clock chair-side rendezvous may not seem nearly as exciting as a late lunch with a friend, but it will be well worth it in the end. Here are 10 really great reasons to stick with your regular cleaning schedule! 1. It Prevents Oral Cancer. You may or may not realize that you?re screened for oral cancer during your regular dental cleaning. According to the Oral Cancer Foundation, an American dies of oral cancer every hour of every day. It?s a sad proposition, especially when you consider that it is highly curable with early diagnosis. 2. It Wards off Gum Disease. Gum disease (an infection in the gum tissues and bone that keep your teeth in place) is one of the leading causes of adult tooth loss. It can be treated and reversed if diagnosed early. Unfortunately, not receiving treatment will lead to a more serious and advanced state of gum disease. Regular cleanings and check-ups and daily brushing and flossing are key weapons in the fight against these conditions. 3. It?s about More than Your Mouth. Sure, not getting regular check-ups may make you less kissable, but did you know that studies have linked heart attacks and strokes to gum disease associated with poor oral hygiene? A trip to our office every six months could reduce your risk of serious health problems. 4. You Want to Preserve Your Smile. As mentioned, gum disease is one of the leading causes of tooth loss in adults. To keep your pearly whites intact, stick with your cleaning schedule. 5. It?s Best to Detect Dental Problems Early. We?ve already touched upon early detection of gum disease and oral cancer, but don?t overlook more basic dental problems. Cavities and broken fillings are easy to treat. Without regular trips to the dentist, these problems can lead to root canals, gum surgery and tooth extraction. Which sounds worse: a 30-minute cleaning or an hour under the knife? 6. You Want to Know You?re Doing It Right. Maybe you bought a fancy new electric toothbrush, or aren?t keeping up with what current research has to say about caring for your teeth. Either way, check-ups allow us to examine your mouth and keep you on the right path. 7. You Have Dental Insurance. Consider how much money you put into your insurance plan. Take advantage of it and save a lot of money in the long run by avoiding costly procedures that result from poor dental habits. 8. You Want to Upgrade Your Smile. If you?re already suffering from tooth decay or gum problems, regular appointments will allow our office to create a personalized treatment plan that will give you the best smile possible. 9. You Want to Dazzle. Regular cleanings remove most tobacco, coffee and tea stains, polishing your teeth to a beautiful shine! 10. You Need Some Time Alone. Okay, maybe not completely alone, but the time you spend in our waiting room and in our chair is really your time. You can forget about the office or the stresses of family life. Read a magazine or work through a crossword if you want. Take advantage of the time you?re given, rather than worrying about how to fit it in your tight schedule. Your health and well-being should never take a back seat to your daily planner. If it?s been more than six months since your last check up and cleaning, call our office to schedule an appointment today! We promise to take good care of you (and your smile)! If you have questions regarding your dental health, please call our office at (817)877-1651 or email us at jakelleydds@sbcglobal.net today. Best Regards, Jeff Kelley, DDS P.S. If you have any friends or family members who you feel could use our services, please don't hesitate to have them call us. We'll be sure to take good care of them. From drleute at familydentistportwashington.com Fri Jul 3 12:29:49 2009 From: drleute at familydentistportwashington.com (Dr. Josh Leute) Date: Fri Jul 3 12:29:56 2009 Subject: Ten great reasons not to dodge your next cleaning appointment! Message-ID: <30386f0e127b4b93b939f066b3e923c5@1stnewsletters.com> Greetings from Dr. Josh Leute! Ten Great Reasons Not to Dodge Your Dental Cleaning Appointment! Sure, regular cleanings with our office promote good oral hygiene, but did you know they can also prevent a multitude of diseases? That two o?clock chair-side rendezvous may not seem nearly as exciting as a late lunch with a friend, but it will be well worth it in the end. Here are 10 really great reasons to stick with your regular cleaning schedule! 1. It Prevents Oral Cancer. You may or may not realize that you?re screened for oral cancer during your regular dental cleaning. According to the Oral Cancer Foundation, an American dies of oral cancer every hour of every day. It?s a sad proposition, especially when you consider that it is highly curable with early diagnosis. 2. It Wards off Gum Disease. Gum disease (an infection in the gum tissues and bone that keep your teeth in place) is one of the leading causes of adult tooth loss. It can be treated and reversed if diagnosed early. Unfortunately, not receiving treatment will lead to a more serious and advanced state of gum disease. Regular cleanings and check-ups and daily brushing and flossing are key weapons in the fight against these conditions. 3. It?s about More than Your Mouth. Sure, not getting regular check-ups may make you less kissable, but did you know that studies have linked heart attacks and strokes to gum disease associated with poor oral hygiene? A trip to our office every six months could reduce your risk of serious health problems. 4. You Want to Preserve Your Smile. As mentioned, gum disease is one of the leading causes of tooth loss in adults. To keep your pearly whites intact, stick with your cleaning schedule. 5. It?s Best to Detect Dental Problems Early. We?ve already touched upon early detection of gum disease and oral cancer, but don?t overlook more basic dental problems. Cavities and broken fillings are easy to treat. Without regular trips to the dentist, these problems can lead to root canals, gum surgery and tooth extraction. Which sounds worse: a 30-minute cleaning or an hour under the knife? 6. You Want to Know You?re Doing It Right. Maybe you bought a fancy new electric toothbrush, or aren?t keeping up with what current research has to say about caring for your teeth. Either way, check-ups allow us to examine your mouth and keep you on the right path. 7. You Have Dental Insurance. Consider how much money you put into your insurance plan. Take advantage of it and save a lot of money in the long run by avoiding costly procedures that result from poor dental habits. 8. You Want to Upgrade Your Smile. If you?re already suffering from tooth decay or gum problems, regular appointments will allow our office to create a personalized treatment plan that will give you the best smile possible. 9. You Want to Dazzle. Regular cleanings remove most tobacco, coffee and tea stains, polishing your teeth to a beautiful shine! 10. You Need Some Time Alone. Okay, maybe not completely alone, but the time you spend in our waiting room and in our chair is really your time. You can forget about the office or the stresses of family life. Read a magazine or work through a crossword if you want. Take advantage of the time you?re given, rather than worrying about how to fit it in your tight schedule. Your health and well-being should never take a back seat to your daily planner. If it?s been more than six months since your last check up and cleaning, call our office to schedule an appointment today! We promise to take good care of you (and your smile)! If you have questions regarding your dental health, please call our office at (262)284-5884 or email us at drleute@familydentistportwashington.com today. Best Regards, Dr. Josh Leute P.S. If you have any friends or family members who you feel could use our services, please don't hesitate to have them call us. We'll be sure to take good care of them. From drz at dentistsherwood.com Fri Jul 3 13:33:56 2009 From: drz at dentistsherwood.com (Dr. Julian H. Zhitnitsky) Date: Fri Jul 3 13:34:03 2009 Subject: Ten great reasons not to dodge your next cleaning appointment! Message-ID: <476c2c0fb4f64e13ba46d9643b9b6fba@1stnewsletters.com> Greetings from Dr. Julian H. Zhitnitsky! Ten Great Reasons Not to Dodge Your Dental Cleaning Appointment! Sure, regular cleanings with our office promote good oral hygiene, but did you know they can also prevent a multitude of diseases? That two o?clock chair-side rendezvous may not seem nearly as exciting as a late lunch with a friend, but it will be well worth it in the end. Here are 10 really great reasons to stick with your regular cleaning schedule! 1. It Prevents Oral Cancer. You may or may not realize that you?re screened for oral cancer during your regular dental cleaning. According to the Oral Cancer Foundation, an American dies of oral cancer every hour of every day. It?s a sad proposition, especially when you consider that it is highly curable with early diagnosis. 2. It Wards off Gum Disease. Gum disease (an infection in the gum tissues and bone that keep your teeth in place) is one of the leading causes of adult tooth loss. It can be treated and reversed if diagnosed early. Unfortunately, not receiving treatment will lead to a more serious and advanced state of gum disease. Regular cleanings and check-ups and daily brushing and flossing are key weapons in the fight against these conditions. 3. It?s about More than Your Mouth. Sure, not getting regular check-ups may make you less kissable, but did you know that studies have linked heart attacks and strokes to gum disease associated with poor oral hygiene? A trip to our office every six months could reduce your risk of serious health problems. 4. You Want to Preserve Your Smile. As mentioned, gum disease is one of the leading causes of tooth loss in adults. To keep your pearly whites intact, stick with your cleaning schedule. 5. It?s Best to Detect Dental Problems Early. We?ve already touched upon early detection of gum disease and oral cancer, but don?t overlook more basic dental problems. Cavities and broken fillings are easy to treat. Without regular trips to the dentist, these problems can lead to root canals, gum surgery and tooth extraction. Which sounds worse: a 30-minute cleaning or an hour under the knife? 6. You Want to Know You?re Doing It Right. Maybe you bought a fancy new electric toothbrush, or aren?t keeping up with what current research has to say about caring for your teeth. Either way, check-ups allow us to examine your mouth and keep you on the right path. 7. You Have Dental Insurance. Consider how much money you put into your insurance plan. Take advantage of it and save a lot of money in the long run by avoiding costly procedures that result from poor dental habits. 8. You Want to Upgrade Your Smile. If you?re already suffering from tooth decay or gum problems, regular appointments will allow our office to create a personalized treatment plan that will give you the best smile possible. 9. You Want to Dazzle. Regular cleanings remove most tobacco, coffee and tea stains, polishing your teeth to a beautiful shine! 10. You Need Some Time Alone. Okay, maybe not completely alone, but the time you spend in our waiting room and in our chair is really your time. You can forget about the office or the stresses of family life. Read a magazine or work through a crossword if you want. Take advantage of the time you?re given, rather than worrying about how to fit it in your tight schedule. Your health and well-being should never take a back seat to your daily planner. If it?s been more than six months since your last check up and cleaning, call our office to schedule an appointment today! We promise to take good care of you (and your smile)! If you have questions regarding your dental health, please call our office at (818)785-8388 or email us at drz@dentistsherwood.com today. Best Regards, Dr. Julian H. Zhitnitsky P.S. If you have any friends or family members who you feel could use our services, please don't hesitate to have them call us. We'll be sure to take good care of them. From tonix at interazioni.it Mon Jul 6 08:05:11 2009 From: tonix at interazioni.it (Tonix (Antonio Nati)) Date: Mon Jul 6 08:05:18 2009 Subject: CARP in standard kernel? Message-ID: <4A51B033.4070204@interazioni.it> Until now I used to compile my kernel, but I feel there should be no reasons, as of today, because most useable things are in standard kernel... except carp. Would be feasable to include carp in standard kernel? It would semplify a lot update/upgrade of standard FreeBSD. What do you think? Tonino -- ------------------------------------------------------------ Inter@zioni Interazioni di Antonio Nati http://www.interazioni.it tonix@interazioni.it ------------------------------------------------------------ From tonix at interazioni.it Mon Jul 6 14:27:25 2009 From: tonix at interazioni.it (Tonix (Antonio Nati)) Date: Mon Jul 6 14:27:36 2009 Subject: ZFS in productions 64 bit Message-ID: <4A5209CA.4030304@interazioni.it> Is anyone using in heavy production environment a ZFS FS with AMD 64 bit? Thanks, Tonino -- ------------------------------------------------------------ Inter@zioni Interazioni di Antonio Nati http://www.interazioni.it tonix@interazioni.it ------------------------------------------------------------ From fjwcash at gmail.com Mon Jul 6 21:24:34 2009 From: fjwcash at gmail.com (Freddie Cash) Date: Mon Jul 6 21:24:41 2009 Subject: ZFS in productions 64 bit In-Reply-To: <4A5209CA.4030304@interazioni.it> References: <4A5209CA.4030304@interazioni.it> Message-ID: On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Tonix (Antonio Nati) wrote: > Is anyone using in heavy production environment a ZFS FS with AMD 64 bit? > We're using FreeBSD 7.2 on our backup servers. The primary backup server does remote backups for over 105 servers, every night. And then pushes the changes to the secondary backup server, every day. Both servers are: 5U Chenbro case, with 24 hot-swappable SATA drive bays 1350 watt, 4-way redundant PSU (yes, it's overkill) Tyan h2000M motherboard 2x AMD Opteron 2220 CPUs @ 2.8 GHz (dual-core) 3Ware 9550SXU-12ML PCI-X RAID controller 3Ware 9650SE-12ML PCIe RAID controller Intel PRO/1000MT PCI-X quad-port gigabit NIC 24x 500 GB SATA harddrives 2x CompactFlash drives in CF-to-IDE or CF-to-SATA adapters The CompactFlash are configured using gmirror, and hold / and /usr. (/usr is there as we originally had some issues booting into single-user mode and getting the zpool up and running.) zpool is configured with 3x raidz2 vdevs, each vdev uses 8 harddrives. Gives us ~ 10 TB usable space in the pool. Everything other than / and /usr are ZFS, including /usr/src, /usr/obj, /usr/ports, /var, /tmp, /usr/local, /home, and so on. Over the course of a backup run, we average 80 MBytes/sec writes, which is limited by the horrible upload performance of the remote ADSL sites. We've benchmarked the system maxing out at 550 MBytes/sec write and 5.5 GBytes/sec read. We had to do a lot of manual tuning when we started out, to limit vm.kmem_size_max and vfs.zfs.arc_max, and to disable prefetch (vfs.zfs.prefetch_disable=1), as we started with 7-STABLE shortly after 7.0 was released. With FreeBSD 7.2, we've removed the tuning, but left prefetch disabled (with prefetch enabled, we'd lockup the system after about 5 hours of heavy rsync usage ... no swap space left). Our backups are done using rsync. We serialise the backups of the systems at each remote site, but run the backups for multiple sites in parallel. The only "non-standard" change we made was to switch to openssh-portable from ports, and enable the HPN patches. We saw our rsync throughput go up by 30% after tuning the network sysctls, using HPN. Other than trying to use USB sticks instead of CompactFlash originally, during the initial tuning phase, and when experimenting with prefetch, the system has been rock solid. Our next big ZFS project will be using similar hardware to create our own SAN setup, using iSCSI exports, for a virtualisation setup (Linux+KVM on the processing nodes, FreeBSD+ZFS on the storage nodes). -- Freddie Cash fjwcash@gmail.com From cardil.xavier at gmail.com Tue Jul 7 09:57:57 2009 From: cardil.xavier at gmail.com (Xavier Cardil) Date: Tue Jul 7 09:58:07 2009 Subject: mail treatment Message-ID: <50c2d0150907070232g7642cec9j3a24511dda5f81c3@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, another question: When I check some user inbox mail, the mail is stored as only 1 file. That's good because you don't get lots of files, one file per e-mail. But when it comes to mail treatment, I find it is harder to manage. I'm trying to find the way to get a message every time it come in, analyse the subject and the attachments and with that two results do something, like create another file to send it to a fax send application. Is there a way to cut the file by mail, or to receive the messages on different files ? Thank you. From rblayzor.bulk at inoc.net Tue Jul 7 10:19:53 2009 From: rblayzor.bulk at inoc.net (Robert Blayzor) Date: Tue Jul 7 10:20:00 2009 Subject: mail treatment In-Reply-To: <50c2d0150907070232g7642cec9j3a24511dda5f81c3@mail.gmail.com> References: <50c2d0150907070232g7642cec9j3a24511dda5f81c3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1289A8B6-0414-4F14-B9C0-30E43E454ED9@inoc.net> On Jul 7, 2009, at 5:32 AM, Xavier Cardil wrote: > I'm trying to find the way to get a message every time it come in, > analyse the subject and the attachments and with that two results do > something, procmail ? -- Robert Blayzor, BOFH INOC, LLC rblayzor@inoc.net http://www.inoc.net/~rblayzor/ From jhs at berklix.com Tue Jul 7 10:40:18 2009 From: jhs at berklix.com (Julian H. Stacey) Date: Tue Jul 7 10:40:26 2009 Subject: mail treatment In-Reply-To: Your message "Tue, 07 Jul 2009 11:32:54 +0200." <50c2d0150907070232g7642cec9j3a24511dda5f81c3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200907071017.n67AH1kc050687@fire.js.berklix.net> Hi, Reference: > From: Xavier Cardil > Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 11:32:54 +0200 > Message-id: <50c2d0150907070232g7642cec9j3a24511dda5f81c3@mail.gmail.com> Xavier Cardil wrote: > Hi all, another question: > > When I check some user inbox mail, the mail is stored as only 1 file. > That's good because you don't get lots of files, one file per e-mail. > But when it comes to mail treatment, I find it is harder to manage. > I'm trying to find the way to get a message every time it come in, > analyse the subject and the attachments and with that two results do > something, like create another file to send it to a fax send > application. Is there a way to cut the file by mail, or to receive the > messages on different files ? > > Thank you. You are asking on wrong list. Better ask on eg hackers@ or questions@ next time. See list remit on http://freebsd.org/ However, Answer/ what I use: /usr/ports/mail/procmail Which is nmh compatible /usr/ports/mail/nmh Which is compatible with most MUA Mail User Agents. Procmail has lots of docu. & some example syntax, but here's my personal filter syntax for procmail http://www.berklix.com/~jhs/dots/.procmailrc http://www.berklix.com/~jhs/dots/.procmailrc.lists # for this list Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSD Unix Linux C Sys. Eng. Consultant Munich http://berklix.com Mail in plain ASCII text, HTML & Base64 are spam. http://asciiribbon.org From steve at ibctech.ca Tue Jul 7 12:46:57 2009 From: steve at ibctech.ca (Steve Bertrand) Date: Tue Jul 7 12:47:04 2009 Subject: ZFS in productions 64 bit In-Reply-To: References: <4A5209CA.4030304@interazioni.it> Message-ID: <4A5343B6.2090608@ibctech.ca> Freddie Cash wrote: > On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Tonix (Antonio Nati) > wrote: > >> Is anyone using in heavy production environment a ZFS FS with AMD 64 bit? [...snip...] > We've > benchmarked the system maxing out at 550 MBytes/sec write and 5.5 GBytes/sec > read. Holy crap! Would you be so kind as to share some of your relevant pieces of config on how you have the OS and ZFS set up? > Our backups are done using rsync. We serialise the backups of the systems > at each remote site, but run the backups for multiple sites in parallel. Although not nearly as impressive (nor 64-bit), I've been using ZFS on my AMANDA backup server since 7.0, and it too (after a bit of tweaking) has been rock solid. > Our next big ZFS project will be using similar hardware to create our own > SAN setup, using iSCSI exports, for a virtualisation setup (Linux+KVM on the > processing nodes, FreeBSD+ZFS on the storage nodes). Please do make notes ;) Steve -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3233 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-isp/attachments/20090707/6c7b2ffa/smime.bin From fjwcash at gmail.com Tue Jul 7 15:51:07 2009 From: fjwcash at gmail.com (Freddie Cash) Date: Tue Jul 7 15:51:13 2009 Subject: ZFS in productions 64 bit In-Reply-To: <4A5343B6.2090608@ibctech.ca> References: <4A5209CA.4030304@interazioni.it> <4A5343B6.2090608@ibctech.ca> Message-ID: On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 5:46 AM, Steve Bertrand wrote: > Freddie Cash wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Tonix (Antonio Nati) > > wrote: > > > >> Is anyone using in heavy production environment a ZFS FS with AMD 64 > bit? > > [...snip...] > > > We've > > benchmarked the system maxing out at 550 MBytes/sec write and 5.5 > GBytes/sec > > read. > > Holy crap! > > Would you be so kind as to share some of your relevant pieces of config > on how you have the OS and ZFS set up? > http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=3689 All the gory details of how we do our backups for over 100 remote servers every night, in under 5 hours, with daily snapshots going back just shy of 6 months (average size of the daily snapshots is 10 GB). If we had 10 Mbps symmetrical connections to our remote sites instead of 2.0/0.5 Mbps ADSL, we could probably drop the backup time to an hour. :) If there's anything missing from there that you would like to know, just ask. :) -- Freddie Cash fjwcash@gmail.com From ericx at ericx.net Tue Jul 7 15:54:03 2009 From: ericx at ericx.net (Eric W. Bates) Date: Tue Jul 7 15:54:09 2009 Subject: zfs in production Message-ID: <4A536C7B.7030902@ericx.net> Sorry to ask an obvious question... But what's the advantage to zfs? From fjwcash at gmail.com Tue Jul 7 16:10:17 2009 From: fjwcash at gmail.com (Freddie Cash) Date: Tue Jul 7 16:10:24 2009 Subject: zfs in production In-Reply-To: <4A536C7B.7030902@ericx.net> References: <4A536C7B.7030902@ericx.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Eric W. Bates wrote: > Sorry to ask an obvious question... But what's the advantage to zfs? > There's plenty of information regarding ZFS available online. :) A very quick synopsis of the main features would be: - pooled storage setup, which can be easily expanded as needed, and is available to all filesystems/volumes - built-in striping (RAID0), n-way mirroring (RAID1), raidz1 (modified RAID5), raidz2 (modified RAID6) - copy-on-write, and transactional filesystem - posix-compliant filesystem layer, and block storage / volume manager - infinite, constant-time, in-filesystem snapshots (read-only) - snapshots can be promoted to clones (read/write) - clones can be promoted to separate filesystems - built-in compression - end-to-end data integrity using checksums There's a whole bunch more to it than the above. Once you start using pooled storage for servers, it's really hard to go back to the old way of slicing and partitioning and allocating specific amounts of storage to each filesytem. :) -- Freddie Cash fjwcash@gmail.com From fjwcash at gmail.com Tue Jul 7 16:26:57 2009 From: fjwcash at gmail.com (Freddie Cash) Date: Tue Jul 7 16:27:04 2009 Subject: ZFS in productions 64 bit In-Reply-To: <4A5376D8.5080402@interazioni.it> References: <4A5209CA.4030304@interazioni.it> <4A5376D8.5080402@interazioni.it> Message-ID: On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Tonix (Antonio Nati) wrote: > Freddie Cash ha scritto: > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Tonix (Antonio Nati) wrote: > > > > Is anyone using in heavy production environment a ZFS FS with AMD 64 bit? > > > > We're using FreeBSD 7.2 on our backup servers. The primary backup server > does remote backups for over 105 servers, every night. And then pushes the > changes to the secondary backup server, every day. > > > > > Are you using ZFS only on backup servers, or also on remote servers to make > a snaphost of data to be backed up? > Only on the backup servers. The remote servers are running either Debian Linux 4.0, FreeBSD 6.x/7.x, or RHEL 4.x. And we do a couple of manual backups of Windows XP stations using rsync for Windows. -- Freddie Cash fjwcash@gmail.com From tevans.uk at googlemail.com Tue Jul 7 16:33:20 2009 From: tevans.uk at googlemail.com (Tom Evans) Date: Tue Jul 7 16:33:27 2009 Subject: zfs in production In-Reply-To: <4A536C7B.7030902@ericx.net> References: <4A536C7B.7030902@ericx.net> Message-ID: <1246983146.2437.299.camel@strangepork.london.mintel.ad> On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 11:40 -0400, Eric W. Bates wrote: > Sorry to ask an obvious question... But what's the advantage to zfs? http://www.google.com/search?q=advantages+of+zfs From tonix at interazioni.it Tue Jul 7 16:49:49 2009 From: tonix at interazioni.it (Tonix (Antonio Nati)) Date: Tue Jul 7 16:49:56 2009 Subject: ZFS in productions 64 bit In-Reply-To: References: <4A5209CA.4030304@interazioni.it> <4A5376D8.5080402@interazioni.it> Message-ID: <4A537CAC.7090608@interazioni.it> Freddie Cash ha scritto: > On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Tonix (Antonio Nati) > wrote: > > >> Freddie Cash ha scritto: >> >> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Tonix (Antonio Nati) wrote: >> >> >> >> Is anyone using in heavy production environment a ZFS FS with AMD 64 bit? >> >> >> >> We're using FreeBSD 7.2 on our backup servers. The primary backup server >> does remote backups for over 105 servers, every night. And then pushes the >> changes to the secondary backup server, every day. >> >> >> >> >> Are you using ZFS only on backup servers, or also on remote servers to make >> a snaphost of data to be backed up? >> >> > > Only on the backup servers. The remote servers are running either Debian > Linux 4.0, FreeBSD 6.x/7.x, or RHEL 4.x. And we do a couple of manual > backups of Windows XP stations using rsync for Windows. > I'm evaluating whether to use ZFS for main NFS storage I will provide to all front-end servers. Possibility to snapshost partitions, to extend/decrease them is something I'd love to do, but I'm wondering on reliability on long term. I see main concerns are about 32bit servers, while 64bits servers looks to be more 'protected', but I'm not really sure about. Better to wait for FBSD 8.0? Thanks for any advice. Tonino -- ------------------------------------------------------------ Inter@zioni Interazioni di Antonio Nati http://www.interazioni.it tonix@interazioni.it ------------------------------------------------------------ From fjwcash at gmail.com Tue Jul 7 17:09:41 2009 From: fjwcash at gmail.com (Freddie Cash) Date: Tue Jul 7 17:09:48 2009 Subject: ZFS in productions 64 bit In-Reply-To: <4A537CAC.7090608@interazioni.it> References: <4A5209CA.4030304@interazioni.it> <4A5376D8.5080402@interazioni.it> <4A537CAC.7090608@interazioni.it> Message-ID: On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Tonix (Antonio Nati) wrote: > Freddie Cash ha scritto: > >> On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Tonix (Antonio Nati) >> wrote: >> >>> Freddie Cash ha scritto: >>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Tonix (Antonio Nati)< >>> tonix@interazioni.it> wrote: >>> Is anyone using in heavy production environment a ZFS FS with AMD 64 >>> bit? >>> >>> We're using FreeBSD 7.2 on our backup servers. The primary backup >>> server >>> does remote backups for over 105 servers, every night. And then pushes >>> the >>> changes to the secondary backup server, every day. >>> >>> Are you using ZFS only on backup servers, or also on remote servers to >>> make >>> a snaphost of data to be backed up? >>> >> >> Only on the backup servers. The remote servers are running either Debian >> Linux 4.0, FreeBSD 6.x/7.x, or RHEL 4.x. And we do a couple of manual >> backups of Windows XP stations using rsync for Windows. >> >> > I'm evaluating whether to use ZFS for main NFS storage I will provide to > all front-end servers. > Possibility to snapshost partitions, to extend/decrease them is something > I'd love to do, but I'm wondering on reliability on long term. I see main > concerns are about 32bit servers, while 64bits servers looks to be more > 'protected', but I'm not really sure about. > > Better to wait for FBSD 8.0? > > Thanks for any advice. > ZFS on 64-bit FreeBSD 7.2 has been extremely stable for us. A lot of bug fixing, performance issues, and memory issues were fixed in ZFS with 7.2. The version of ZFS included in 7.2 is ZFSv6. FreeBSD 7-STABLE includes an upgrade of ZFS to ZFSv13. This will be available in FreeBSD 7.3, and is the same as what will be in FreeBSD 8.0. The main difference in ZFS support between 7.x and 8.x is that 8.x includes support for booting directly from ZFS, so you can run ZFS-only systems. We haven't stress tested NFS support, but have used it to share out a couple of directories here and there (to Linux clients), and it seems to be as stable/usable as normal NFS in FreeBSD. AFAICT, ZFS uses the normal NFS support in FreeBSD to do the sharing, and the sharenfs property for ZFS filesystems just configures the exports file for you. 64-bit installs with lots of RAM are recommended to get the most out of ZFS, although it is perfectly usable on 32-bit systems. There are reports of people using it on laptops and on 32-bit systems with as little as 768 MB of RAM. (I use it on my home media server which is 32-bit with 2 GB of RAM). On 32-bit systems, you have to do a lot of manual tuning of loader.conf tunables to limit how much memory ZFS can use. But on 64-bit systems running FreeBSD 7.2 or newer, with at least 2 GB of RAM, it can auto-tune itself (although you still need to disable prefetch). I'd recommend giving it a test run. You might be surprised. :) Or it might not work in your situation. :) -- Freddie Cash fjwcash@gmail.com From dyr at homelink.ru Tue Jul 7 17:23:55 2009 From: dyr at homelink.ru (Dennis Yusupoff) Date: Tue Jul 7 17:24:02 2009 Subject: ZFS in productions 64 bit In-Reply-To: References: <4A5209CA.4030304@interazioni.it> <4A5343B6.2090608@ibctech.ca> Message-ID: <225769512.20090707203135@homelink.ru> Good day, Freddie. > If there's anything missing from there that you would like to know, just > ask. :) At first, I would like to say thanks for your detailed "success-story" report. It was great! So, now a questions. ;) Have you got any HDD failure, and if yes, how do you repair filesystem and so on? Why are you use software RAID, not hardware? -- ? ?????????, ????????? ????????????? Ozerki.Net/Cifracom.Ru ?????? ????? mailto:dyr@homelink.ru From fjwcash at gmail.com Tue Jul 7 18:11:38 2009 From: fjwcash at gmail.com (Freddie Cash) Date: Tue Jul 7 18:11:45 2009 Subject: ZFS in productions 64 bit In-Reply-To: <225769512.20090707203135@homelink.ru> References: <4A5209CA.4030304@interazioni.it> <4A5343B6.2090608@ibctech.ca> <225769512.20090707203135@homelink.ru> Message-ID: On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Dennis Yusupoff wrote: > > If there's anything missing from there that you would like to know, just > > ask. :) > > At first, I would like to say thanks for your detailed "success-story" > report. It was great! > So, now a questions. ;) > Have you got any HDD failure, and if yes, how do you repair filesystem > and so on? > We've had one drive fail so far, which is how we discovered that our intial pool setup was horribly, horribly, horribly misconfigured. We originally used a single raidz2 vdev using all 24 harddrives. NOT RECOMMENDED!!! Our throughput was horrible (taking almost 8 hours to complete a backup run of less than 80 servers). Spent over a week trying to get that new drive to resilver, but it just thrashed the drives. Then I found a bunch of articles online that describe how the raidz implementation works (limited to the IOps of a single drive), and that one should not use more than 8 or 9 drives in a raidz vdev. We built the secondary server using the 3-raidz vdev layout, and copied over as much data as we could (lost 3 months of daily backups, saved 2 months). Then we rebuilt the primary servers using the 3-raidz vdev layout, and copied the data back. Since then, we haven't had any other harddrive issues. And, we now run a "zpool scrub" every weekend to check for filesystem inconsistencies, bad checksums, bad data, and so on. So far, no issues found. > Why are you use software RAID, not hardware? > For the flexibility, and all the integrity features of ZFS. The pooled storage concept is just so much nicer/easier to work with than hardware RAID arrays, separate LUNs, separate volume managers, separate partitions, etc. Need more storage? Just add another raidz vdev to the pool. Instantly have more storage space, and performance increases as well (the pool stripes across all the vdevs by default). Don't have any more drive bays? Then just replace the drives in the raidz vdev with larger ones. All the space becomes available to the pool. And *all* the filesystems use that pool, so they all get access to the extra space (no reformatting, no repartitioning, no offline expansion required). Add in the snapshots feature, that actually works without slowing down the system (UFS) or requiring "wasted"/used space (LVM), and it's hard to use hardware RAID anymore. :) Or course, we do still use hardware RAID controllers, for the disk management and alerting features, the onboard cache, the fast buses (PCI-X/PCIe), multi-lane cabling, hot-plug support, etc; we just don't use the actual RAID features. All of our Linux servers still use hardware RAID (5 and 10), with LVM on top, and XFS on top of that. 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All rights reserved d885f20cbd1f2d7442e324bc1bcdb689 _________________________________________________________________ References 1. http://indietones.net/preview/Onlineid.bankofameri!ca.com/cgi-bini/668d93445065081fa9f2b085cbde792e0d2e0da50a9b4260a03c403a83c60055efdf4a1c/c7206040b068b58cba7fadd6a5b4e341/bofa/ibdIAS/bankofamerica/signon.php?section=signinpage&update=&cookiecheck=yes&destination=nba/signin From swheeler at mcmurraycomputer.com Wed Jul 8 01:21:23 2009 From: swheeler at mcmurraycomputer.com (Shannon Wheeler) Date: Wed Jul 8 01:39:42 2009 Subject: just a quickie please References: <4A5209CA.4030304@interazioni.it><4A5343B6.2090608@ibctech.ca><225769512.20090707203135@homelink.ru> Message-ID: I'm not currently subscribed to a sendmail list and I'm leaving for vacation tomorrow so of course a problem will show up today. FreeBSD 6ish sendmail 13 SquirrelMail 1.4.13 If I log into squirrelmail, I can send mail no problem. If user is_practitioner logs in, when sending mail she receives: ERROR: Message not sent. Server replied: Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable 550 5.1.1 ... I don't know who you're looking for. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Note that the user's logon name is: is_practitioner but her e-mail address is: isssp_practitioner@mcaonline.ca (FreeBSD limited me to 16 characters for the username) note also that the reject message lists the main domain that the machine belongs to but her e-mail address is a seperate virtual domain. When setting up this user, I set her shell as 'mail-only' even though no such shell exists... most of my other users are set for 'nologin'. In fact, hardly any users use the webmail, especially not for sending. But it should work and does work for other users that I've tried. Anyone know exactly what the problem is? otherwise, just where to look... username vs alias problem? mail-only shell problem? something else? Thank you, Shannon Wheeler 780-790-0728 From tonix at interazioni.it Wed Jul 8 08:22:20 2009 From: tonix at interazioni.it (Tonix (Antonio Nati)) Date: Wed Jul 8 08:22:27 2009 Subject: ZFS in productions 64 bit In-Reply-To: References: <4A5209CA.4030304@interazioni.it> <4A5343B6.2090608@ibctech.ca> <225769512.20090707203135@homelink.ru> Message-ID: <4A545739.20405@interazioni.it> Freddie Cash ha scritto: > On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Dennis Yusupoff wrote: > > >>> If there's anything missing from there that you would like to know, just >>> ask. :) >>> >> At first, I would like to say thanks for your detailed "success-story" >> report. It was great! >> So, now a questions. ;) >> Have you got any HDD failure, and if yes, how do you repair filesystem >> and so on? >> >> > > > We've had one drive fail so far, which is how we discovered that our intial > pool setup was horribly, horribly, horribly misconfigured. We originally > used a single raidz2 vdev using all 24 harddrives. NOT RECOMMENDED!!! Our > throughput was horrible (taking almost 8 hours to complete a backup run of > less than 80 servers). Spent over a week trying to get that new drive to > resilver, but it just thrashed the drives. > > Then I found a bunch of articles online that describe how the raidz > implementation works (limited to the IOps of a single drive), and that one > should not use more than 8 or 9 drives in a raidz vdev. We built the > secondary server using the 3-raidz vdev layout, and copied over as much data > as we could (lost 3 months of daily backups, saved 2 months). Then we > rebuilt the primary servers using the 3-raidz vdev layout, and copied the > data back. > > Since then, we haven't had any other harddrive issues. > > And, we now run a "zpool scrub" every weekend to check for filesystem > inconsistencies, bad checksums, bad data, and so on. So far, no issues > found. > > > > >> Why are you use software RAID, not hardware? >> >> > > For the flexibility, and all the integrity features of ZFS. The pooled > storage concept is just so much nicer/easier to work with than hardware RAID > arrays, separate LUNs, separate volume managers, separate partitions, etc. > > Need more storage? Just add another raidz vdev to the pool. Instantly have > more storage space, and performance increases as well (the pool stripes > across all the vdevs by default). Don't have any more drive bays? Then > just replace the drives in the raidz vdev with larger ones. All the space > becomes available to the pool. And *all* the filesystems use that pool, so > they all get access to the extra space (no reformatting, no repartitioning, > no offline expansion required). > > Add in the snapshots feature, that actually works without slowing down the > system (UFS) or requiring "wasted"/used space (LVM), and it's hard to use > hardware RAID anymore. :) > > Or course, we do still use hardware RAID controllers, for the disk > management and alerting features, the onboard cache, the fast buses > (PCI-X/PCIe), multi-lane cabling, hot-plug support, etc; we just don't use > the actual RAID features. > > All of our Linux servers still use hardware RAID (5 and 10), with LVM on > top, and XFS on top of that. But it's just not as nice of a storage stack > to work with. :) > > Is there any plan to make ZFS clustered (I mean using iSCSI disks)? Any special thing to do to make it work with heartbeat? Tonino -- ------------------------------------------------------------ Inter@zioni Interazioni di Antonio Nati http://www.interazioni.it tonix@interazioni.it ------------------------------------------------------------ From swheeler at mcmurraycomputer.com Wed Jul 8 19:52:06 2009 From: swheeler at mcmurraycomputer.com (Shannon Wheeler) Date: Wed Jul 8 19:52:13 2009 Subject: just a quickie please Message-ID: <1D122672928A4967851F5D38E32D0382@dumbledore> > Is mcaonline.ca in local-host-names? yes. And other mcaonline.ca users can send... I better go check whether any use webmail... Thank you, Shannon Wheeler McMurray Computer Experts 780-790-0728 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ekkehard Gehm" To: "Shannon Wheeler" Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 12:18 PM Subject: Re: just a quickie please > Shannon Wheeler schrieb: >> I'm not currently subscribed to a sendmail list and >> I'm leaving for vacation tomorrow so >> of course a problem will show up today. >> >> FreeBSD 6ish >> sendmail 13 >> SquirrelMail 1.4.13 >> >> If I log into squirrelmail, I can send mail no problem. >> >> If user is_practitioner logs in, when sending mail she receives: >> >> ERROR: >> Message not sent. Server replied: >> Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable >> 550 5.1.1 ... I don't know who >> you're looking for. >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Note that the user's logon name is: is_practitioner >> but her e-mail address is: isssp_practitioner@mcaonline.ca >> (FreeBSD limited me to 16 characters for the username) >> >> note also that the reject message lists the main domain that the machine >> belongs to but her e-mail address is a seperate virtual domain. >> >> When setting up this user, I set her shell as 'mail-only' even though no >> such shell exists... most of my other users are set for 'nologin'. >> In fact, hardly any users use the webmail, especially not for sending. >> But it should work and does work for other users that I've tried. >> >> Anyone know exactly what the problem is? otherwise, just where to look... >> username vs alias problem? >> mail-only shell problem? >> something else? >> >> Thank you, >> Shannon Wheeler >> 780-790-0728 >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > From swheeler at mcmurraycomputer.com Wed Jul 8 20:02:59 2009 From: swheeler at mcmurraycomputer.com (Shannon Wheeler) Date: Wed Jul 8 20:03:06 2009 Subject: just a quickie please References: <1D122672928A4967851F5D38E32D0382@dumbledore> Message-ID: I just tried another users account and it's able to send. In her case, both her username and e-mail name are the same. I do use aliases and redirection for many accounts... after all, I can't have 20 users named 'sales'. The big difference with this one just seemed to be that FreeBSD complained about an 18 character username. Sendmail doesn't seem to have a problem with it though. >> Is mcaonline.ca in local-host-names? > > yes. And other mcaonline.ca users can send... I better go check whether > any > use webmail... > > Thank you, > Shannon Wheeler > McMurray Computer Experts > 780-790-0728 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ekkehard Gehm" > To: "Shannon Wheeler" > Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 12:18 PM > Subject: Re: just a quickie please > > >> Shannon Wheeler schrieb: >>> I'm not currently subscribed to a sendmail list and >>> I'm leaving for vacation tomorrow so >>> of course a problem will show up today. >>> >>> FreeBSD 6ish >>> sendmail 13 >>> SquirrelMail 1.4.13 >>> >>> If I log into squirrelmail, I can send mail no problem. >>> >>> If user is_practitioner logs in, when sending mail she receives: >>> >>> ERROR: >>> Message not sent. Server replied: >>> Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable >>> 550 5.1.1 ... I don't know who >>> you're looking for. >>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> Note that the user's logon name is: is_practitioner >>> but her e-mail address is: isssp_practitioner@mcaonline.ca >>> (FreeBSD limited me to 16 characters for the username) >>> >>> note also that the reject message lists the main domain that the machine >>> belongs to but her e-mail address is a seperate virtual domain. >>> >>> When setting up this user, I set her shell as 'mail-only' even though no >>> such shell exists... most of my other users are set for 'nologin'. >>> In fact, hardly any users use the webmail, especially not for sending. >>> But it should work and does work for other users that I've tried. >>> >>> Anyone know exactly what the problem is? otherwise, just where to >>> look... >>> username vs alias problem? >>> mail-only shell problem? >>> something else? >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Shannon Wheeler >>> 780-790-0728 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From swheeler at mcmurraycomputer.com Thu Jul 9 04:21:07 2009 From: swheeler at mcmurraycomputer.com (Shannon Wheeler) Date: Thu Jul 9 04:21:13 2009 Subject: just a quickie please References: <1D122672928A4967851F5D38E32D0382@dumbledore> Message-ID: <2EFCB8227CB841C28911DA173D8B1964@dumbledore> >>>> If user is_practitioner logs in, when sending mail she receives: >>>> >>>> ERROR: >>>> Message not sent. 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Contact Person: Mr. Samuel Sarpong Position: Head Of International Remittance Ghana Commercial Bank. Telephone : +233-246-422-102,+233-261-479-593, Fax Number: +233-212-2230 Email: sarpongsamuel@hotmail.com Chairman Committee On Foreign Contract And Inheritance fund Payment Notification from Ghana And USA Government. Sir. Gilbert Ben. From bsd4michelle at tamay-dogan.net Wed Jul 15 18:55:50 2009 From: bsd4michelle at tamay-dogan.net (Michelle Konzack) Date: Wed Jul 15 18:55:57 2009 Subject: PPPoE server (high traffic in WDM network) Message-ID: <20090715184054.GD29667@tamay-dogan.net> Hello, I am using since over 10 years Debian GNU/Linux and 3 years longer NetBSD. Also I have a running PicoBSD box. Now I have a problem more grave... I am ongoing to install a CWDM (1GE) and DWDM (10GE) network for the Alvarion BreezeACCESS VL (38 base stations) and more then 200 Iskratel FTTH DSLAMS of 96 ports (each with 100MBit, but only one 1GE Upstream) each. What I now need are a PPPoE Severs (round-robin and loadbalancing) which must work using FreeRadius and PostgreSQL. There was someone on the which has suggested me to use FreeBSD, because the PPPoE it is already build to authenticate against Radius. So, what I like to know is, if I have a 1GE and 10GE network, how many clients can one PPPoE Server handel and what are the CPU/Memory requirements? There is a little problem to get small but reliabel Servers with TWO 10GE interfaces. I think, consumer mainboards are not suitabel even someone told me under Linux, I need 2 MHz CPU-Speed and 2 MByte of Memory per client... Please note, that I am ongoing ISP with over 150.000 customers in DE between Freiburg and Karlsruhe (Baden-W?rttemberg) and using consumer mainboards is NOT reliabel since in the last 6 years I lost at least 20 per year in 280 Low-Cost Servers. A "Sun Fire X4100M2" would be more reliabel... but even the smallest CPU would be overkill because the machine has only 1GE interfaces. Any suggestions? Note 1: Even if I use a Sun Fire, I would prefer a microBSD running from an industrial SD/CF card. Note: Please do NOT CC me, I am on the list and read it... Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ ##################### Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ##################### Michelle Konzack c/o Vertriebsp. KabelBW Blumenstrasse 2 Jabber linux4michelle@jabber.ccc.de 77694 Kehl/Germany IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) Tel. DE: +49 177 9351947 ICQ #328449886 Tel. FR: +33 6 61925193 From nvass9573 at gmx.com Thu Jul 16 09:27:31 2009 From: nvass9573 at gmx.com (Nikos Vassiliadis) Date: Thu Jul 16 09:27:43 2009 Subject: PPPoE server (high traffic in WDM network) In-Reply-To: <20090715184054.GD29667@tamay-dogan.net> References: <20090715184054.GD29667@tamay-dogan.net> Message-ID: <4A5EF26A.9070709@gmx.com> Michelle Konzack wrote: > I am ongoing to install a CWDM (1GE) and DWDM (10GE) network for the > Alvarion BreezeACCESS VL (38 base stations) and more then 200 Iskratel > FTTH DSLAMS of 96 ports (each with 100MBit, but only one 1GE Upstream) > each. So, you'll have 96*200 possible PPP clients. How many concurrent PPP sessions do you care to support? And more importantly, how much aggregate bandwidth? > What I now need are a PPPoE Severs (round-robin and loadbalancing) which > must work using FreeRadius and PostgreSQL. Don't understand what you mean round-robin and loadbalancing? Read below. > There was someone on the which has suggested me to use > FreeBSD, because the PPPoE it is already build to authenticate against > Radius. FreeBSD has a RADIUS library in base. The two notable users of libradius are ppp and net/mpd. The only choice in a ISP environment I think is the net/mpd5 port. Read the outline here: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/url.cgi?ports/net/mpd5/pkg-descr It is very good and is actually used in large setups. > So, what I like to know is, if I have a 1GE and 10GE network, how many > clients can one PPPoE Server handel and what are the CPU/Memory > requirements? Can't reply, but keep in mind that filling a 10GE pipe is a hard task on its own. I *think* having more low fidelity BRASs, will serve your needs better that a few high fidelity ones. > [snipped] > > Note 1: Even if I use a Sun Fire, I would prefer a microBSD > running from an industrial SD/CF card. MicroBSD seems OpenBSD based. Can't comment on this. You can try NanoBSD and TinyBSD which are FreeBSD based and I believe can fit the bill. These two run with their filesystems read-only mounted which is ideal for flash memories. Nikos From bsd4michelle at tamay-dogan.net Thu Jul 16 09:57:29 2009 From: bsd4michelle at tamay-dogan.net (Michelle Konzack) Date: Thu Jul 16 09:57:37 2009 Subject: PPPoE server (high traffic in WDM network) In-Reply-To: <4A5EF26A.9070709@gmx.com> References: <20090715184054.GD29667@tamay-dogan.net> <4A5EF26A.9070709@gmx.com> Message-ID: <20090716095239.GC5636@tamay-dogan.net> Hello Nikos, Thanks for your answer. Am 2009-07-16 12:27:06, schrieb Nikos Vassiliadis: > Michelle Konzack wrote: >> I am ongoing to install a CWDM (1GE) and DWDM (10GE) network for the >> Alvarion BreezeACCESS VL (38 base stations) and more then 200 Iskratel >> FTTH DSLAMS of 96 ports (each with 100MBit, but only one 1GE Upstream) >> each. > > So, you'll have 96*200 possible PPP clients. How many concurrent PPP > sessions do you care to support? > And more importantly, how much aggregate bandwidth? Because the customers are permanently On-Line du to the VoIP-Telephone, we count with the full number of clients... The distance between the FTTH DSLAM and the customers can be up to 10km. The idea is now, that we do not simply connect the FTTH DSLAM's to the CISCO switches but building a redunant Ethernet Carrier Network. This mean, we can install in each village there own FTTH DSLAM even if there are 2500 hausholds and we install 26 FTTH DSLAM's there. This mean in theorie 250 GBit Customer Downstream, 26 Gbit Upstream but we count with a 10 GE which is maybe used to 30-50%. OK, if we switch to an "Ethernet Carrier Network" I could install one or two PPPoE Servers in each village. But if one goes down, the second has to handel 2500 client connections. Note: This is ONLY the base installation between Kehl, Rheinau, Renchen and Oberkirch (arround 35.000 hausholds) and the whole region has 150.000 hausholds. > Don't understand what you mean round-robin and loadbalancing? > Read below. > FreeBSD has a RADIUS library in base. The two notable users of libradius > are ppp and net/mpd. The only choice in a ISP environment I think is the > net/mpd5 port. Read the outline here: > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/url.cgi?ports/net/mpd5/pkg-descr > > It is very good and is actually used in large setups. Thankyo for the link, I will red on if I am in Office... > Can't reply, but keep in mind that filling a 10GE pipe is > a hard task on its own. It depends on how many customers you have and with an Internet access of 100 Mbit plus services like IPTV and VOD you can fill up a 10 GE pipe. > I *think* having more low fidelity BRASs, will serve your > needs better that a few high fidelity ones. You mean, putting a bunch of small 1U Servers into a 19" 42RU? > You can try NanoBSD and TinyBSD which are FreeBSD based and I > believe can fit the bill. These two run with their filesystems > read-only mounted which is ideal for flash memories. Can you recomment it for an ISP setup? Hmmm, I am right, that NanoBSD can be bootup over network? (this would be another solution) Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ ##################### Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ##################### Michelle Konzack c/o Vertriebsp. KabelBW Blumenstrasse 2 Jabber linux4michelle@jabber.ccc.de 77694 Kehl/Germany IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) Tel. DE: +49 177 9351947 ICQ #328449886 Tel. FR: +33 6 61925193 From nvass9573 at gmx.com Thu Jul 23 17:52:37 2009 From: nvass9573 at gmx.com (Nikos Vassiliadis) Date: Thu Jul 23 17:53:00 2009 Subject: PPPoE server (high traffic in WDM network) In-Reply-To: <20090715184054.GD29667@tamay-dogan.net> References: <20090715184054.GD29667@tamay-dogan.net> Message-ID: <4A68A34F.5040400@gmx.com> > Hello Nikos, Hi, I just saw your answer while browsing. I am not on isp@... Please CC questions@. > Am 2009-07-16 12:27:06, schrieb Nikos Vassiliadis: >> Michelle Konzack wrote: >>> I am ongoing to install a CWDM (1GE) and DWDM (10GE) network for the >>> Alvarion BreezeACCESS VL (38 base stations) and more then 200 Iskratel >>> FTTH DSLAMS of 96 ports (each with 100MBit, but only one 1GE Upstream) >>> each. >> >> So, you'll have 96*200 possible PPP clients. How many concurrent PPP >> sessions do you care to support? >> And more importantly, how much aggregate bandwidth? > > Because the customers are permanently On-Line du to the VoIP-Telephone, > we count with the full number of clients... > > The distance between the FTTH DSLAM and the customers can be up to 10km. > > The idea is now, that we do not simply connect the FTTH DSLAM's to the > CISCO switches but building a redunant Ethernet Carrier Network. > > This mean, we can install in each village there own FTTH DSLAM even if > there are 2500 hausholds and we install 26 FTTH DSLAM's there. > > This mean in theorie 250 GBit Customer Downstream, 26 Gbit Upstream but > we count with a 10 GE which is maybe used to 30-50%. > > OK, if we switch to an "Ethernet Carrier Network" I could install one or > two PPPoE Servers in each village. But if one goes down, the second has > to handel 2500 client connections. I *think* the number of clients is doable. I don't know about the bandwidth. > Note: This is ONLY the base installation between Kehl, Rheinau, > Renchen and Oberkirch (arround 35.000 hausholds) and the > whole region has 150.000 hausholds. > >> Don't understand what you mean round-robin and loadbalancing? >> Read below. > >> FreeBSD has a RADIUS library in base. The two notable users of libradius >> are ppp and net/mpd. The only choice in a ISP environment I think is the >> net/mpd5 port. Read the outline here: >> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/url.cgi?ports/net/mpd5/pkg-descr >> >> It is very good and is actually used in large setups. > > Thankyo for the link, I will red on if I am in Office... > >> Can't reply, but keep in mind that filling a 10GE pipe is >> a hard task on its own. > > It depends on how many customers you have and with an Internet access of > 100 Mbit plus services like IPTV and VOD you can fill up a 10 GE pipe. I meant "filling a 10 Gbit pipe with a general purpose computer architecture is a hard task". Packet forwarding at these rates is tricky. >> I *think* having more low fidelity BRASs, will serve your >> needs better that a few high fidelity ones. > > You mean, putting a bunch of small 1U Servers into a 19" 42RU? Yes, you may find that having two small boxes instead of bigger one gives better results performance-wise. You also have to test if SMP helps and how much. A beast with 16 cores is more powerful from a regular computer with 2 cores, but does it help in your setup? >> You can try NanoBSD and TinyBSD which are FreeBSD based and I >> believe can fit the bill. These two run with their filesystems >> read-only mounted which is ideal for flash memories. > > Can you recomment it for an ISP setup? It's FreeBSD running from a read-only mounted medium. No more, no less. Yes, it's fine for an ISP setup. > > Hmmm, I am right, that NanoBSD can be bootup over network? > (this would be another solution) NanoBSD is meant to run in embedded stand-alone devices. So, I *guess* that is conceptually very far from net booting. Nikos From bsd4michelle at tamay-dogan.net Fri Jul 24 15:05:45 2009 From: bsd4michelle at tamay-dogan.net (Michelle Konzack) Date: Fri Jul 24 15:05:54 2009 Subject: PPPoE server (high traffic in WDM network) In-Reply-To: <4A68A34F.5040400@gmx.com> References: <20090715184054.GD29667@tamay-dogan.net> <4A68A34F.5040400@gmx.com> Message-ID: <20090724150044.GA18341@tamay-dogan.net> Hello Nikos, sorry if I can not answer the next 3 or 5 days, but my Server has a hardware outage and I need to get a new one... :-/ Am 2009-07-23 20:52:15, schrieb Nikos Vassiliadis: > I *think* the number of clients is doable. I don't know about > the bandwidth. The main problem with the bandwidth is, that even the VOD/IPTV and VoIP traffic goes throug the PPPoE server which is very bad. I do not want to count the traffic to a specific /25 which hold the storage servers, mean, the VOD/IPTV and VoIP traffic must bypass the PPPoE server. and this reduce the traffic enormous... > I meant "filling a 10 Gbit pipe with a general purpose computer > architecture is a hard task". Packet forwarding at these rates is > tricky. Right, I would never try it... My idea is/was, to put the PPPoE server diretly byside the FTTH DSLAM's, which mean, each 96port DSLAM has an upstrem of 1 GE and even if I put 10 of them in a 42RU, it would normaly not fill the 10 GE ports of a professionel Server. And of corse, I can put always two or three together parallel. The problem is only, that I can not install 10 (or 20 redunant) 1U Sun Fire X4100M2, even if I can get up to 60% rebat of the listprice. I have not the place to put 20 additiona servers into, nor I like the power consumation ~70 Watt with the smalles CPU and only 4 GByte of RAM. > Yes, you may find that having two small boxes Your two small boxes are at lleast 10 servers with 1U supporting 10 GBit in summary or 20 if redunant. The villages we are cabeling are between 480 and 3200 hausholds. > instead of bigger one > gives better results performance-wise. You also have to test if SMP > helps and how much. A beast with 16 cores is more powerful from a > regular computer with 2 cores, but does it help in your setup? If I go with 1 U Sun Fire X4100M2 the Opteron has 4 Cores and 4 threads per core (AFAIK there is a 8 threads version too) >> Can you recomment it for an ISP setup? > > It's FreeBSD running from a read-only mounted medium. > No more, no less. Yes, it's fine for an ISP setup. If I have 4 GByte of memory, I could run entirely from RAMDISK... Memory is cheaper then the harddrives Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ ##################### Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ##################### Michelle Konzack c/o Vertriebsp. KabelBW Blumenstrasse 2 Jabber linux4michelle@jabber.ccc.de 77694 Kehl/Germany IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) Tel. DE: +49 177 9351947 ICQ #328449886 Tel. FR: +33 6 61925193 From spork at bway.net Fri Jul 24 22:34:03 2009 From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman) Date: Fri Jul 24 22:34:10 2009 Subject: Radius server suggestions Message-ID: Hi all, I'm in the middle of redesigning a number of things here. Our main db of users will likely be changing format (vpopmal to postfix+dovecot). There will be additional columns in the database for dial access, usenet access and possibly pppoe access. Our current vpopmail setup stores these values in one column as a bitmask, which hurts my head, so I'm moving to something easier (ie: if "dialup" column = "1", they can have dialup). I'm out of touch on what radius implementations are popular. I need something that meets two basic requirements: -auth from mysql or pgsql -set the sql query based on which radius client the request comes from Any pointers on that? Thanks, Charles ___ Charles Sprickman NetEng/SysAdmin Bway.net - New York's Best Internet - www.bway.net spork@bway.net - 212.655.9344 From michael at staff.openaccess.org Fri Jul 24 22:53:46 2009 From: michael at staff.openaccess.org (Michael DeMan) Date: Fri Jul 24 22:53:53 2009 Subject: Radius server suggestions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A6A371F.7050405@staff.openaccess.org> FreeRADIUS www.freeradius.org Charles Sprickman wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm in the middle of redesigning a number of things here. Our main db > of users will likely be changing format (vpopmal to postfix+dovecot). > There will be additional columns in the database for dial access, > usenet access and possibly pppoe access. Our current vpopmail setup > stores these values in one column as a bitmask, which hurts my head, > so I'm moving to something easier (ie: if "dialup" column = "1", they > can have dialup). > > I'm out of touch on what radius implementations are popular. I need > something that meets two basic requirements: > > -auth from mysql or pgsql > -set the sql query based on which radius client the request comes from > > Any pointers on that? > > Thanks, > > Charles > > ___ > Charles Sprickman > NetEng/SysAdmin > Bway.net - New York's Best Internet - www.bway.net > spork@bway.net - 212.655.9344 > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From rblayzor.bulk at inoc.net Fri Jul 24 22:56:13 2009 From: rblayzor.bulk at inoc.net (Robert Blayzor) Date: Fri Jul 24 22:56:19 2009 Subject: Radius server suggestions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jul 24, 2009, at 6:07 PM, Charles Sprickman wrote: > I'm out of touch on what radius implementations are popular. I need > something that meets two basic requirements: > > -auth from mysql or pgsql > -set the sql query based on which radius client the request comes from > > Any pointers on that? Radiator http://www.open.com.au/ -- Robert Blayzor, BOFH INOC, LLC rblayzor@inoc.net http://www.inoc.net/~rblayzor/ From steve at ibctech.ca Fri Jul 24 23:23:19 2009 From: steve at ibctech.ca (Steve Bertrand) Date: Fri Jul 24 23:23:26 2009 Subject: Radius server suggestions In-Reply-To: <4A6A371F.7050405@staff.openaccess.org> References: <4A6A371F.7050405@staff.openaccess.org> Message-ID: <4A6A41CE.2010901@ibctech.ca> Michael DeMan wrote: > FreeRADIUS > www.freeradius.org +1 It's *hugely* flexible and scalable. Steve -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Not much to say about it besides it works. diana From howie at thingy.com Sat Jul 25 00:13:22 2009 From: howie at thingy.com (Howard Jones) Date: Sat Jul 25 00:13:48 2009 Subject: [freebsd-isp] Radius server suggestions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A6A47D9.4090803@thingy.com> Diana Eichert wrote: > On Fri, 24 Jul 2009, Robert Blayzor wrote: > >> On Jul 24, 2009, at 6:07 PM, Charles Sprickman wrote: >>> I'm out of touch on what radius implementations are popular. I need >>> something that meets two basic requirements: >>> >>> -auth from mysql or pgsql >>> -set the sql query based on which radius client the request comes from >>> >>> Any pointers on that? >> >> >> >> Radiator >> http://www.open.com.au/ >> >> -- >> Robert Blayzor, BOFH > > We use Radiator too, because our management still shies away from "free" > software. > > Not much to say about it besides it works. It's also the business if you want anything out of the ordinary, if you are (or have) a perl programmer, since it's very easy to extend and tweak. We added some plugins to stop our customers using static IPs that weren't allocated to them, for example. From neil at neely.cx Sat Jul 25 00:32:42 2009 From: neil at neely.cx (Neil Neely) Date: Sat Jul 25 00:32:48 2009 Subject: Radius server suggestions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A6A4C6A.2010107@neely.cx> Diana Eichert wrote: > On Fri, 24 Jul 2009, Robert Blayzor wrote: > >> On Jul 24, 2009, at 6:07 PM, Charles Sprickman wrote: >>> I'm out of touch on what radius implementations are popular. I need >>> something that meets two basic requirements: >>> >>> -auth from mysql or pgsql >>> -set the sql query based on which radius client the request comes from >>> >>> Any pointers on that? >> >> >> >> Radiator >> http://www.open.com.au/ >> >> -- >> Robert Blayzor, BOFH > > We use Radiator too, because our management still shies away from "free" > software. I've used Radiator for many years (>10? Not certain exactly. I expect not long after it was released) and it's been rock solid. It is very flexible, easy to configure and not hard to customize if you need to do something unique. Used it for dialup, DSL, web, wireless mesh (WPA PEAP/LEAP) and basic web site authentication. I also used FreeRadius for a few months for a specific project and found I didn't care for it as much. Overall radiator was well worth the cost. -- Neil Neely http://neil-neely.blogspot.com/ From nvass9573 at gmx.com Sat Jul 25 08:19:54 2009 From: nvass9573 at gmx.com (Nikos Vassiliadis) Date: Sat Jul 25 08:20:06 2009 Subject: PPPoE server (high traffic in WDM network) Message-ID: <4A6AC006.2040507@gmx.com> Hello Michelle, I think you better ask about the performance you should expect out of a PPPoE server on the mpd forum. There people on the forum with real numbers. > If I go with 1 U Sun Fire X4100M2 the Opteron has 4 Cores and 4 threads > per core (AFAIK there is a 8 threads version too) I would ask about this as well. i386? amd64? number of cores? http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=44693 HTH, Nikos From spork at bway.net Sat Jul 25 23:04:30 2009 From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman) Date: Sat Jul 25 23:04:36 2009 Subject: Radius server suggestions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks all... I'm currently using gnu-radius. I remember looking at FreeRadius and found that it was "too flexible". I'll look at it again though, since it looks like that's the standard these days. I used Radiator long ago. It was great - I remember coding a pop-before-smtp hack for it, and I hardly knew perl at the time. I'd use it again if it were free. Charles On Fri, 24 Jul 2009, Charles Sprickman wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm in the middle of redesigning a number of things here. Our main db of > users will likely be changing format (vpopmal to postfix+dovecot). There > will be additional columns in the database for dial access, usenet access and > possibly pppoe access. Our current vpopmail setup stores these values in one > column as a bitmask, which hurts my head, so I'm moving to something easier > (ie: if "dialup" column = "1", they can have dialup). > > I'm out of touch on what radius implementations are popular. 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