From quakenet1 at optusnet.com.au Tue Jun 10 06:05:06 2008 From: quakenet1 at optusnet.com.au (Jerahmy Pocott) Date: Tue Jun 10 06:05:11 2008 Subject: Storing a local copy of out going SMTP Message-ID: <54930FD0-5217-4D4A-8118-D2ADF8413514@optusnet.com.au> Hi, I have a 6.3 system running as a mail server, offering imap, pop3 and smtp. The smtp server can be used from anywhere because all users are required to authenticate with SMTP AUTH and it supports TLS. This is using sendmail 8.14.2. What I would like to do is have any mail submitted to the SMTP server to get automatically stored into an imap mailbox (I'm using mbox format currently) for that user, preferably based on the username they supplied to authenticate, but it could also be by the 'mail from:' field. Previously I have been configuring the users mail clients to do this, but they have proven completely unreliable and of course they may use different clients at different locations etc. Obviously having the server do this is still not 100% reliable, since they could still possibly use a different SMTP server, but I'm not going to worry about that currently as it's unlikely to happen often. It's sort of an unusual thing to have the MTA do, so I'v not been able to find anything about how I can get this to happen.. I thought maybe there might be a way to get the sent mail to be processed through procmail or something first.. Any thoughts on the best way to make this happen? Cheers, J. From neil at neely.cx Tue Jun 10 16:17:25 2008 From: neil at neely.cx (Neil Neely) Date: Tue Jun 10 16:17:31 2008 Subject: Storing a local copy of out going SMTP In-Reply-To: <54930FD0-5217-4D4A-8118-D2ADF8413514@optusnet.com.au> References: <54930FD0-5217-4D4A-8118-D2ADF8413514@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <22DD0A2B-1176-4499-B82F-7C9866DD1E21@neely.cx> It's been years since I used sendmail, so I can only tell you how to do this using postfix, but with any luck it will point you in the right direction so you can fill in the gaps. The feature you are looking for is done via bcc, specifically sender_bcc_maps: from man 5 postconf: sender_bcc_maps (default: empty) Optional BCC (blind carbon-copy) address lookup tables, indexed by sender address. The BCC address (multiple results are not supported) is added when mail enters from outside of Postfix. Configuration looks something like this: sender_bcc_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/sender_bcc /etc/postfix/sender_bcc someuser@yourdomain.com special_address@yourdomain.com This will make a copy of all outgoing mail and inject it into something that looks like inbound mail so you can then get fancy and throw procmail in the loop or whatever you want to do. The example I included above would send it to a single account, but you could do that however you want. Your request is touching on a more broad topic of "email archiving" and a google search in there might be beneficial if you are curious of the options that exist out there . Neil Neely http://neil-neely.blogspot.com On Jun 9, 2008, at 11:11 PM, Jerahmy Pocott wrote: > Hi, > > I have a 6.3 system running as a mail server, offering imap, pop3 > and smtp. The smtp server can be used from anywhere because all > users are required to authenticate with SMTP AUTH and it supports > TLS. This is using sendmail 8.14.2. > > What I would like to do is have any mail submitted to the SMTP > server to get automatically stored into an imap mailbox (I'm using > mbox format currently) for that user, preferably based on the > username they supplied to authenticate, but it could also be by the > 'mail from:' field. Previously I have been configuring the users > mail clients to do this, but they have proven completely unreliable > and of course they may use different clients at different locations > etc. Obviously having the server do this is still not 100% > reliable, since they could still possibly use a different SMTP > server, but I'm not going to worry about that currently as it's > unlikely to happen often. > > It's sort of an unusual thing to have the MTA do, so I'v not been > able to find anything about how I can get this to happen.. I > thought maybe there might be a way to get the sent mail to be > processed through procmail or something first.. Any thoughts on the > best way to make this happen? > > Cheers, > J. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From artem at aws-net.org.ua Tue Jun 10 17:47:30 2008 From: artem at aws-net.org.ua (Artyom Viklenko) Date: Tue Jun 10 17:47:33 2008 Subject: Storing a local copy of out going SMTP In-Reply-To: <54930FD0-5217-4D4A-8118-D2ADF8413514@optusnet.com.au> References: <54930FD0-5217-4D4A-8118-D2ADF8413514@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <484EB50D.4090004@aws-net.org.ua> Jerahmy Pocott wrote: > Hi, > > I have a 6.3 system running as a mail server, offering imap, pop3 and > smtp. The smtp server can be used from anywhere because all users are > required to authenticate with SMTP AUTH and it supports TLS. This is > using sendmail 8.14.2. > > What I would like to do is have any mail submitted to the SMTP server to > get automatically stored into an imap mailbox (I'm using mbox format > currently) for that user, preferably based on the username they supplied > to authenticate, but it could also be by the 'mail from:' field. I'm not sure if I clearly understand you, but give a try to synonym milter. It's already in a ports collection. I use it to archive ALL mail passing through my mail server. Various aspects can be configured. > Previously I have been configuring the users mail clients to do this, > but they have proven completely unreliable and of course they may use > different clients at different locations etc. Obviously having the > server do this is still not 100% reliable, since they could still > possibly use a different SMTP server, but I'm not going to worry about > that currently as it's unlikely to happen often. > > It's sort of an unusual thing to have the MTA do, so I'v not been able > to find anything about how I can get this to happen.. I thought maybe > there might be a way to get the sent mail to be processed through > procmail or something first.. Any thoughts on the best way to make this > happen? > > Cheers, > J. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Sincerely yours, Artyom Viklenko. ------------------------------------------------------- artem@aws-net.org.ua | http://www.aws-net.org.ua/~artem artem@viklenko.net | ================================ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve - http://www.freebsd.org From quakenet1 at optusnet.com.au Tue Jun 10 20:46:55 2008 From: quakenet1 at optusnet.com.au (Jerahmy Pocott) Date: Tue Jun 10 20:46:59 2008 Subject: Storing a local copy of out going SMTP In-Reply-To: <54930FD0-5217-4D4A-8118-D2ADF8413514@optusnet.com.au> References: <54930FD0-5217-4D4A-8118-D2ADF8413514@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: On 10/06/2008, at 3:11 PM, Jerahmy Pocott wrote: > Hi, > > I have a 6.3 system running as a mail server, offering imap, pop3 > and smtp. The smtp server can be used from anywhere because all > users are required to authenticate with SMTP AUTH and it supports > TLS. This is using sendmail 8.14.2. > > What I would like to do is have any mail submitted to the SMTP > server to get automatically stored into an imap mailbox (I'm using > mbox format currently) for that user, preferably based on the > username they supplied to authenticate, but it could also be by the > 'mail from:' field. Previously I have been configuring the users > mail clients to do this, but they have proven completely unreliable > and of course they may use different clients at different locations > etc. Obviously having the server do this is still not 100% reliable, > since they could still possibly use a different SMTP server, but I'm > not going to worry about that currently as it's unlikely to happen > often. > > It's sort of an unusual thing to have the MTA do, so I'v not been > able to find anything about how I can get this to happen.. I thought > maybe there might be a way to get the sent mail to be processed > through procmail or something first.. Any thoughts on the best way > to make this happen? I know I can get sendmail to run procmail on out going mail using the mailertable or putting a local_rule in the mc file, but I'm worried about what would happen when sendmail delivers mail to itself.. Resulting some some horrible loop.. For example: LOCAL_RULE_0 R$* < @ $+ .procmail. > $* $@ $1<@$2.>$3 Already archived, map back R$* < @ $+ .procmail > $* $@ $1<@$2.>$3 Already archived, map back R$* < @ $+. > $* $#procmail $@ /etc/procmailrcs/rc.archive $: $1<@$2.procmail.>$3 R$* < @ $+ > $* $#procmail $@ /etc/procmailrcs/rc.archive $: $1<@$2.procmail.>$3 Though that works on incoming and outgoing.. Or another example: LOCAL_CONFIG # add .PROCMAIL to the pseudo-domain list CP.PROCMAIL LOCAL_RULE_0 R$+ < @ $+ .procmail . > $#esmtp $@ $2 $: $1<@$2> # match all other mail and send it to procmail script R$+ < @ $+ . > $#procmail $@/etc/procmailrcs/rc.archive $:$1<@$2.procmail> I would prefer to implement as much of it through the mailertable feature as possible though and I haven't seen any examples of doing that.. Also I don't want it to cause problems with local or incoming mails.. Anyone have some insights? Cheers, J. From grog at FreeBSD.org Thu Jun 19 00:57:46 2008 From: grog at FreeBSD.org (Greg 'groggy' Lehey) Date: Thu Jun 19 00:57:49 2008 Subject: FreeBSD based web hosting? Message-ID: <20080619003131.GF51002@dereel.lemis.com> I'm looking for somebody to host some web sites for me. Ideally I'd like a complete machine, but a jail would do too. I can find plenty of Linux-based offerings, but the only one I can find with FreeBSD is in Germany and requires me to be resident in Germany. Can anybody point me to one that I, as an Australian resident, can use? Feel free to reply to me personally and blow your own trumpet if you want. Please also note that I'm not subscribed to these lists, so please don't reply only to the list. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 187 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-isp/attachments/20080619/76c44177/attachment.pgp From quakenet1 at optusnet.com.au Thu Jun 19 01:17:57 2008 From: quakenet1 at optusnet.com.au (Jerahmy Pocott) Date: Thu Jun 19 01:18:01 2008 Subject: FreeBSD based web hosting? In-Reply-To: <20080619003131.GF51002@dereel.lemis.com> References: <20080619003131.GF51002@dereel.lemis.com> Message-ID: On 19/06/2008, at 10:31 AM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > I'm looking for somebody to host some web sites for me. Ideally I'd > like a complete machine, but a jail would do too. I can find plenty > of Linux-based offerings, but the only one I can find with FreeBSD is > in Germany and requires me to be resident in Germany. Can anybody > point me to one that I, as an Australian resident, can use? > > Feel free to reply to me personally and blow your own trumpet if you > want. Please also note that I'm not subscribed to these lists, so > please don't reply only to the list. I'm not sure why now, because I can't see it on their site, but I was sure smartyhost.com.au had freebsd based hosting.. Anyway they seem to offer fairly cheap virtual hosting with your choice of OS and are Australian based (on optus backbone). From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz Thu Jun 19 01:21:23 2008 From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman) Date: Thu Jun 19 01:21:30 2008 Subject: FreeBSD based web hosting? Message-ID: <1496.71.63.150.244.1213837517.squirrel@www.pictureprints.net> Skiltech.com is my host, they do jailed for a good price -- depends on traffic and space requirements -- and do colocation. We're paying $400/mo for a machine we have full system access to, plus 24/7 tech for free and nightly backups for up to 7 days for access, DB for 30. They run fBSD 6.3 right now, I believe. Good company, small - owned by one person - and very, very reliable. -- Ryan > I'm looking for somebody to host some web sites for me. Ideally I'd > like a complete machine, but a jail would do too. I can find plenty > of Linux-based offerings, but the only one I can find with FreeBSD is > in Germany and requires me to be resident in Germany. Can anybody > point me to one that I, as an Australian resident, can use? > > Feel free to reply to me personally and blow your own trumpet if you > want. Please also note that I'm not subscribed to these lists, so > please don't reply only to the list. > > Greg > -- > See complete headers for address and phone numbers. > -- Ryan Coleman Photo Editor, D3sports.com Owner, Pictureprints.net From schiz0phrenic21 at gmail.com Thu Jun 19 01:34:53 2008 From: schiz0phrenic21 at gmail.com (Schiz0) Date: Thu Jun 19 01:34:56 2008 Subject: FreeBSD based web hosting? In-Reply-To: <20080619003131.GF51002@dereel.lemis.com> References: <20080619003131.GF51002@dereel.lemis.com> Message-ID: <8d23ec860806181806t340b7d25ve11e303f5dc0adf2@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 8:31 PM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > I'm looking for somebody to host some web sites for me. Ideally I'd > like a complete machine, but a jail would do too. I can find plenty > of Linux-based offerings, but the only one I can find with FreeBSD is > in Germany and requires me to be resident in Germany. Can anybody > point me to one that I, as an Australian resident, can use? > > Feel free to reply to me personally and blow your own trumpet if you > want. Please also note that I'm not subscribed to these lists, so > please don't reply only to the list. > Try http://clearancerack.ca They have cheap dedicated servers. They support FreeBSD, and they are in Canada :D From cpghost at cordula.ws Thu Jun 19 01:43:16 2008 From: cpghost at cordula.ws (cpghost) Date: Thu Jun 19 01:43:21 2008 Subject: FreeBSD based web hosting? In-Reply-To: <20080619003131.GF51002@dereel.lemis.com> References: <20080619003131.GF51002@dereel.lemis.com> Message-ID: <20080619032726.0603654b@epia-2.farid-hajji.net> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:31:31 +1000 Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > I'm looking for somebody to host some web sites for me. Ideally I'd > like a complete machine, but a jail would do too. I can find plenty > of Linux-based offerings, but the only one I can find with FreeBSD is > in Germany and requires me to be resident in Germany. Can anybody > point me to one that I, as an Australian resident, can use? Here's a list of FreeBSD-based hosters: http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/isp.html I've recently switched to KIONIC.COM: http://www.kionic.com/ but only for simple web hosting (no jails). They may offer jails too... Service is excellent so far. ;) Regards, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From mkhitrov at gmail.com Thu Jun 19 03:02:32 2008 From: mkhitrov at gmail.com (Maxim Khitrov) Date: Thu Jun 19 03:03:25 2008 Subject: FreeBSD based web hosting? In-Reply-To: <20080619032726.0603654b@epia-2.farid-hajji.net> References: <20080619003131.GF51002@dereel.lemis.com> <20080619032726.0603654b@epia-2.farid-hajji.net> Message-ID: <26ddd1750806181937y232d5b1dg5f84a66e81697b68@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 9:27 PM, cpghost wrote: > On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:31:31 +1000 > Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > >> I'm looking for somebody to host some web sites for me. Ideally I'd >> like a complete machine, but a jail would do too. I can find plenty >> of Linux-based offerings, but the only one I can find with FreeBSD is >> in Germany and requires me to be resident in Germany. Can anybody >> point me to one that I, as an Australian resident, can use? > > Here's a list of FreeBSD-based hosters: > http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/isp.html > Is anyone here using RootBSD? I'm currently with JohnCompanies. Overall, it's been a positive experience, though I wish they offered FreeBSD 7. Beta testing for it was supposed to begin last month, but so far no news. My main concern is disk space; I have 2GB for ~$26 per month. For the same price at RootBSD you could get almost eight times as much. The question is how reliable are they? I can't find any information on their site about where the data center is or the exact system specifications. - Max From sahil at tandon.net Thu Jun 19 04:02:54 2008 From: sahil at tandon.net (Sahil Tandon) Date: Thu Jun 19 04:03:23 2008 Subject: FreeBSD based web hosting? In-Reply-To: <26ddd1750806181937y232d5b1dg5f84a66e81697b68@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080619003131.GF51002@dereel.lemis.com> <20080619032726.0603654b@epia-2.farid-hajji.net> <26ddd1750806181937y232d5b1dg5f84a66e81697b68@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080619034525.GA8205@shepherd> Maxim Khitrov wrote: > I'm currently with JohnCompanies. Overall, it's been a positive > experience, though I wish they offered FreeBSD 7. Beta testing for it > was supposed to begin last month, but so far no news. +1 for JC. The tech support and availability is unparalleled. Satisfied customer for over three years. -- Sahil Tandon From pcloches at gmail.com Thu Jun 19 04:22:18 2008 From: pcloches at gmail.com (Patrick C) Date: Thu Jun 19 04:22:33 2008 Subject: FreeBSD based web hosting? In-Reply-To: <20080619034525.GA8205@shepherd> References: <20080619003131.GF51002@dereel.lemis.com> <20080619032726.0603654b@epia-2.farid-hajji.net> <26ddd1750806181937y232d5b1dg5f84a66e81697b68@mail.gmail.com> <20080619034525.GA8205@shepherd> Message-ID: <34394a3a0806182057w9d28e35i485bbc495526fc1a@mail.gmail.com> I can, as usual, highly recommend M5 Hosting. Mike (the owner) is VERY helpful and he is very knowledgeable in *BSD - a lot of hosts will install it, but few know how to use it. His hardware is good and he uses AMCC (3Ware) cards for RAID. The network rocks. I can also say I have had decent luck with ThePlanet, but I get better bandwidth with M5 and I know if I have to call someone, he knows his stuff. -Patrick 2008/6/18 Sahil Tandon : > Maxim Khitrov wrote: > >> I'm currently with JohnCompanies. Overall, it's been a positive >> experience, though I wish they offered FreeBSD 7. Beta testing for it >> was supposed to begin last month, but so far no news. > > +1 for JC. The tech support and availability is unparalleled. Satisfied > customer for over three years. > > -- > Sahil Tandon > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From outbackdingo at gmail.com Thu Jun 19 04:23:30 2008 From: outbackdingo at gmail.com (OutBackDingo) Date: Thu Jun 19 04:24:03 2008 Subject: FreeBSD based web hosting? In-Reply-To: <26ddd1750806181937y232d5b1dg5f84a66e81697b68@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080619003131.GF51002@dereel.lemis.com> <20080619032726.0603654b@epia-2.farid-hajji.net> <26ddd1750806181937y232d5b1dg5f84a66e81697b68@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1213847700.16273.7.camel@dingo-laptop> I was going to go with them for their XEN based hosting, but i sent them an email, asking a couple questions, they never replied, so went with Verio instead > Is anyone here using RootBSD? > > I'm currently with JohnCompanies. Overall, it's been a positive > experience, though I wish they offered FreeBSD 7. Beta testing for it > was supposed to begin last month, but so far no news. > > My main concern is disk space; I have 2GB for ~$26 per month. For the > same price at RootBSD you could get almost eight times as much. The > question is how reliable are they? I can't find any information on > their site about where the data center is or the exact system > specifications. > > - Max From bob at buckhorn.net Thu Jun 19 06:30:46 2008 From: bob at buckhorn.net (Bob Martin) Date: Thu Jun 19 06:30:48 2008 Subject: FreeBSD based web hosting? In-Reply-To: <20080619003131.GF51002@dereel.lemis.com> References: <20080619003131.GF51002@dereel.lemis.com> Message-ID: M5 hosting, http://www.m5hosting.com. Those folks are great. You can find more at http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/ On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > I'm looking for somebody to host some web sites for me. Ideally I'd > like a complete machine, but a jail would do too. I can find plenty > of Linux-based offerings, but the only one I can find with FreeBSD is > in Germany and requires me to be resident in Germany. Can anybody > point me to one that I, as an Australian resident, can use? > > Feel free to reply to me personally and blow your own trumpet if you > want. Please also note that I'm not subscribed to these lists, so > please don't reply only to the list. > > Greg > -- > See complete headers for address and phone numbers. > From steve at enta.net Thu Jun 19 06:54:01 2008 From: steve at enta.net (Steve Lalonde) Date: Thu Jun 19 06:54:07 2008 Subject: FreeBSD based web hosting? In-Reply-To: <20080619003131.GF51002@dereel.lemis.com> References: <20080619003131.GF51002@dereel.lemis.com> Message-ID: On 19 Jun 2008, at 01:31, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > I'm looking for somebody to host some web sites for me. Ideally I'd > like a complete machine, but a jail would do too. I can find plenty > of Linux-based offerings, but the only one I can find with FreeBSD is > in Germany and requires me to be resident in Germany. Can anybody > point me to one that I, as an Australian resident, can use? > > Feel free to reply to me personally and blow your own trumpet if you > want. Please also note that I'm not subscribed to these lists, so > please don't reply only to the list. > > Greg > -- > See complete headers for address and phone numbers. Hi We Entanet host on FreeBSD as the default and its been that way since we started back in 1996 We are in the UK -- Steve Lalonde RTFM Chief Technical Officer Entanet International Ltd http://www.enta.net/ From ct.lists at qgsltd.co.uk Thu Jun 19 07:47:46 2008 From: ct.lists at qgsltd.co.uk (Charles Trevor) Date: Thu Jun 19 07:47:48 2008 Subject: FreeBSD based web hosting? In-Reply-To: <20080619034525.GA8205@shepherd> References: <20080619003131.GF51002@dereel.lemis.com> <20080619032726.0603654b@epia-2.farid-hajji.net> <26ddd1750806181937y232d5b1dg5f84a66e81697b68@mail.gmail.com> <20080619034525.GA8205@shepherd> Message-ID: <485A0AAF.3060209@qgsltd.co.uk> > > +1 for JC. The tech support and availability is unparalleled. Satisfied > customer for over three years. > +2 for JohnCompanies. Excellent support and good prices for VPS. I intend to have several more VPS with them over the next few months. HTH Charlie From hartzell at alerce.com Thu Jun 19 16:56:30 2008 From: hartzell at alerce.com (George Hartzell) Date: Thu Jun 19 16:56:34 2008 Subject: How do they do their VPS product? [was Re: FreeBSD based web hosting?] In-Reply-To: <20080619034525.GA8205@shepherd> References: <20080619003131.GF51002@dereel.lemis.com> <20080619032726.0603654b@epia-2.farid-hajji.net> <26ddd1750806181937y232d5b1dg5f84a66e81697b68@mail.gmail.com> <20080619034525.GA8205@shepherd> Message-ID: <18522.35183.684254.289777@almost.alerce.com> Sahil Tandon writes: > Maxim Khitrov wrote: > > > I'm currently with JohnCompanies. Overall, it's been a positive > > experience, though I wish they offered FreeBSD 7. Beta testing for it > > was supposed to begin last month, but so far no news. > > +1 for JC. The tech support and availability is unparalleled. Satisfied > customer for over three years. Seeing JC advertise a FreeBSD VPS product reminded me of an itch I've never been able to scratch. I know about jails at the simple end, and I know about VMware at the complicated end, but I've never been able to figure out what technology underlies the VPS offerings. I help out a friend on a Verio VPS that reports itself as FreeBSD 4.7 w/ a kernel config file named VKERN. There's some concept of a virtual root, a command named 'virtual' works a bit like sudo does for credentials, and there's otherwise an odd mix of "it's all my machine" and "it's a shared server". Is/was there some proprietary virtualization technology in the 4.x days? Is it still alive and kicking somewhere? Anyone have any insights into how these VPS products were built? Thanks, g. From outbackdingo at gmail.com Thu Jun 19 17:20:11 2008 From: outbackdingo at gmail.com (OutBackDingo) Date: Thu Jun 19 17:20:15 2008 Subject: How do they do their VPS product? [was Re: FreeBSD based web hosting?] In-Reply-To: <18522.35183.684254.289777@almost.alerce.com> References: <20080619003131.GF51002@dereel.lemis.com> <20080619032726.0603654b@epia-2.farid-hajji.net> <26ddd1750806181937y232d5b1dg5f84a66e81697b68@mail.gmail.com> <20080619034525.GA8205@shepherd> <18522.35183.684254.289777@almost.alerce.com> Message-ID: <1213896003.20035.19.camel@dingo-laptop> the libvirt stuff might be a clue, a while back I designed a virtual system using libvirt and some ported linux code, which basiclaly acted as an enhanced chroot for apache, ftp, mail, pop3, imap. also NTT has a derivitive version of FreeBSD with hints at virtualization, im waiting for our Verio to be setup now, so once it is ill peruse it a bit On Thu, 2008-06-19 at 09:29 -0700, George Hartzell wrote: > Sahil Tandon writes: > > Maxim Khitrov wrote: > > > > > I'm currently with JohnCompanies. Overall, it's been a positive > > > experience, though I wish they offered FreeBSD 7. Beta testing for it > > > was supposed to begin last month, but so far no news. > > > > +1 for JC. The tech support and availability is unparalleled. Satisfied > > customer for over three years. > > Seeing JC advertise a FreeBSD VPS product reminded me of an itch I've > never been able to scratch. > > I know about jails at the simple end, and I know about VMware at the > complicated end, but I've never been able to figure out what technology > underlies the VPS offerings. > > I help out a friend on a Verio VPS that reports itself as FreeBSD 4.7 > w/ a kernel config file named VKERN. There's some concept of a > virtual root, a command named 'virtual' works a bit like sudo does for > credentials, and there's otherwise an odd mix of "it's all my machine" > and "it's a shared server". > > Is/was there some proprietary virtualization technology in the 4.x > days? Is it still alive and kicking somewhere? > > Anyone have any insights into how these VPS products were built? > > Thanks, > > g. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From thomas at zaph.org Thu Jun 19 17:53:29 2008 From: thomas at zaph.org (thomas@zaph.org) Date: Thu Jun 19 17:53:36 2008 Subject: JohnCompanies and RootBSD (was Re: FreeBSD based web hosting?) In-Reply-To: <26ddd1750806181937y232d5b1dg5f84a66e81697b68@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080619003131.GF51002@dereel.lemis.com> <20080619032726.0603654b@epia-2.farid-hajji.net> <26ddd1750806181937y232d5b1dg5f84a66e81697b68@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080619173550.GA2694@zaph.org> * Maxim Khitrov [2008-06-18 22:37:13+0000]: > Is anyone here using RootBSD? I am using both RootBSD and JohnCompanies. > I'm currently with JohnCompanies. Overall, it's been a positive > experience, though I wish they offered FreeBSD 7. Beta testing for it > was supposed to begin last month, but so far no news. Agreed. JC has been fine so far, and I asked them to include me in their FreeBSD 7 beta testing when it opens up. I don't think they have a schedule posted for when that will start. I started out at RootBSD on 6.2, and when FreeBSD 7 was first offered by them (about a month ago), they were nice enough to setup a 7.0 VPS for me, and give me a liberal amount of time for me to move my data over from my 6.2 VPS. > My main concern is disk space; I have 2GB for ~$26 per month. This too is my only gripe about JohnCompanies. For $29 a month, I only get a VPS with 2GB of space -- and they don't allow you to add more diskpace unless you upgrade to a higher ($49/month) plan. Contrast that with RootBSD, where I pay $19 a month and I get 10GB of space. On the JC server, one can easily fill up that 2GB by building various ports (I did it by running "cd /usr/ports/graphics/ImageMagick; make install"). The RootBSD box comes with 10GB of space which is more than enough to build almost any port. I am sticking with both for now, only because JC reliability/uptime is purported to be excellent. Granted, I've not had any hardware or connectivity issues with either provider yet, so I've not yet experienced any serious problems firsthand. I should also add that they both have excellent customer service and response times, I've been pleasantly surprised with how good the support from both places are. hth, Thomas From mkhitrov at gmail.com Thu Jun 19 18:12:49 2008 From: mkhitrov at gmail.com (Maxim Khitrov) Date: Thu Jun 19 18:12:55 2008 Subject: How do they do their VPS product? [was Re: FreeBSD based web hosting?] In-Reply-To: <18522.35183.684254.289777@almost.alerce.com> References: <20080619003131.GF51002@dereel.lemis.com> <20080619032726.0603654b@epia-2.farid-hajji.net> <26ddd1750806181937y232d5b1dg5f84a66e81697b68@mail.gmail.com> <20080619034525.GA8205@shepherd> <18522.35183.684254.289777@almost.alerce.com> Message-ID: <26ddd1750806191112t78939fh1fe3d32a1d11a985@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 12:29 PM, George Hartzell wrote: > Sahil Tandon writes: > > Maxim Khitrov wrote: > > > > > I'm currently with JohnCompanies. Overall, it's been a positive > > > experience, though I wish they offered FreeBSD 7. Beta testing for it > > > was supposed to begin last month, but so far no news. > > > > +1 for JC. The tech support and availability is unparalleled. Satisfied > > customer for over three years. > > Seeing JC advertise a FreeBSD VPS product reminded me of an itch I've > never been able to scratch. > > I know about jails at the simple end, and I know about VMware at the > complicated end, but I've never been able to figure out what technology > underlies the VPS offerings. > I'm not sure about FreeBSD 4.x, but with the more recent versions, the solutions I've seen were using jails, Xen, or VMWare. I tried running FreeBSD using Parallels a while back and didn't get very far. JC is using Jails. An easy way to tell is if you run 'ifconfig' and don't see the loopback address (127.0.0.1). This is a restriction of the jails system. Another hint is if you run 'mount' and see that the device mounted as / doesn't exist in /dev. The main disadvantage of jails is that you cannot mess with the kernel, but otherwise I think it's actually a better solution, in my opinion. Less resources are wasted with jails than with a full VM. A Xen or VMWare server will behave exactly the same as a physical machine. - Max From outbackdingo at gmail.com Thu Jun 19 18:13:50 2008 From: outbackdingo at gmail.com (OutBackDingo) Date: Thu Jun 19 18:13:55 2008 Subject: JohnCompanies and RootBSD (was Re: FreeBSD based web hosting?) In-Reply-To: <20080619173550.GA2694@zaph.org> References: <20080619003131.GF51002@dereel.lemis.com> <20080619032726.0603654b@epia-2.farid-hajji.net> <26ddd1750806181937y232d5b1dg5f84a66e81697b68@mail.gmail.com> <20080619173550.GA2694@zaph.org> Message-ID: <1213899222.20035.25.camel@dingo-laptop> It might be nice if the RootBSD people answered their email inquiries, i know they have lost customers, me for one for not answering a simple email On Thu, 2008-06-19 at 13:35 -0400, thomas@zaph.org wrote: > * Maxim Khitrov [2008-06-18 22:37:13+0000]: > > Is anyone here using RootBSD? > > I am using both RootBSD and JohnCompanies. > > > I'm currently with JohnCompanies. Overall, it's been a positive > > experience, though I wish they offered FreeBSD 7. Beta testing for it > > was supposed to begin last month, but so far no news. > > Agreed. JC has been fine so far, and I asked them to include me in their > FreeBSD 7 beta testing when it opens up. I don't think they have a > schedule posted for when that will start. > > I started out at RootBSD on 6.2, and when FreeBSD 7 was first offered by > them (about a month ago), they were nice enough to setup a 7.0 VPS for > me, and give me a liberal amount of time for me to move my data over > from my 6.2 VPS. > > > My main concern is disk space; I have 2GB for ~$26 per month. > > This too is my only gripe about JohnCompanies. For $29 a month, I only > get a VPS with 2GB of space -- and they don't allow you to add more > diskpace unless you upgrade to a higher ($49/month) plan. > > Contrast that with RootBSD, where I pay $19 a month and I get 10GB of > space. > > On the JC server, one can easily fill up that 2GB by building various > ports (I did it by running "cd /usr/ports/graphics/ImageMagick; make > install"). The RootBSD box comes with 10GB of space which is more than > enough to build almost any port. > > I am sticking with both for now, only because JC reliability/uptime is > purported to be excellent. Granted, I've not had any hardware or > connectivity issues with either provider yet, so I've not yet > experienced any serious problems firsthand. > > > > I should also add that they both have excellent customer service and > response times, I've been pleasantly surprised with how good the support > from both places are. > > hth, > Thomas > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From drosih at rpi.edu Thu Jun 19 21:32:11 2008 From: drosih at rpi.edu (Garance A Drosihn) Date: Thu Jun 19 21:32:16 2008 Subject: FreeBSD based web hosting? In-Reply-To: <1213847700.16273.7.camel@dingo-laptop> References: <20080619003131.GF51002@dereel.lemis.com> <20080619032726.0603654b@epia-2.farid-hajji.net> <26ddd1750806181937y232d5b1dg5f84a66e81697b68@mail.gmail.com> <1213847700.16273.7.camel@dingo-laptop> Message-ID: Seeing the question: > > Is anyone here using RootBSD? At 10:55 AM +0700 6/19/08, OutBackDingo wrote: >I was going to go with them for their XEN based hosting, but i sent >them an email, asking a couple questions, they never replied, so >went with Verio instead I notice the rootbsd guys did a major web-site upgrade at the end of May. They also have a recent news-item saying: Friday, June 13th, 2008 - Unfortunately we had a programming problem on part of our website. Messages sent through the 'contact' form have not been received. This is now fixed. - If you have sent us a message and not received a response, please contact us again. We apologize for the inconvenience and promise we weren't just trying to ignore you. Obviously this is too late to help OutBackDingo, but if someone else is waiting for email from them, you might want to try to contact them again. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu From drosih at rpi.edu Thu Jun 19 21:59:32 2008 From: drosih at rpi.edu (Garance A Drosihn) Date: Thu Jun 19 21:59:39 2008 Subject: FreeBSD based web hosting? In-Reply-To: <26ddd1750806181937y232d5b1dg5f84a66e81697b68@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080619003131.GF51002@dereel.lemis.com> <20080619032726.0603654b@epia-2.farid-hajji.net> <26ddd1750806181937y232d5b1dg5f84a66e81697b68@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: At 10:37 PM -0400 6/18/08, Maxim Khitrov wrote: >On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 9:27 PM, cpghost wrote: >> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:31:31 +1000 >> Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: >> >>> I'm looking for somebody to host some web sites for me. Ideally I'd >>> like a complete machine, but a jail would do too. I can find plenty >>> of Linux-based offerings, but the only one I can find with FreeBSD is >>> in Germany and requires me to be resident in Germany. Can anybody >>> point me to one that I, as an Australian resident, can use? >> >> Here's a list of FreeBSD-based hosters: >> http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/isp.html >> > >Is anyone here using RootBSD? I recently signed up for a Xen VPS setup at RootBSD. It seems to be working fine, at least for what I want out of it. I'm using it as a "hot-spare, off-site backup" for a service that I run, so what I'm doing is probably much less demanding than what most people would want from it. But so far I've been able to set things up the way I want, and it's worked fine. My biggest problem so far is that I haven't had enough spare time to work on it! I have no idea if they would take customers from outside the US, but they have been pretty responsive to questions I have sent to them via email. I see they've updated their site since I signed up: http://www.rootbsd.net/ >I'm currently with JohnCompanies. Overall, it's been a positive >experience, though I wish they offered FreeBSD 7. Beta testing for >it was supposed to begin last month, but so far no news. My Xen VPS is setup with FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE. When I signed up, they were just starting to try Xen-based setups instead of jails. It looks like they've officially rolled that out as a service to everyone. >My main concern is disk space; I have 2GB for ~$26 per month. For the >same price at RootBSD you could get almost eight times as much. The >question is how reliable are they? I can't find any information on >their site about where the data center is or the exact system >specifications. Machines are located in two different datacenters in Raleigh, NC (or at least, that's what they told me!). In my case, I just wanted a machine located far enough away from Troy, NY that any problem which took out my office machine would not take out my "off-site" machine. North Carolina sounded far enough away to me! At the moment, my machine has been up for 35 days, and at that time the reason it went down was because I rebooted it after making some changes. I've had the system for maybe two months, and haven't had any problems with it. Remember though, I haven't been pushing it all that much. Basically do automatic backups to it at night, and then may ssh into it to test a few things a week. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu From wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Fri Jun 20 08:04:00 2008 From: wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (Wojciech Puchar) Date: Fri Jun 20 08:04:05 2008 Subject: JohnCompanies and RootBSD (was Re: FreeBSD based web hosting?) In-Reply-To: <20080619173550.GA2694@zaph.org> References: <20080619003131.GF51002@dereel.lemis.com> <20080619032726.0603654b@epia-2.farid-hajji.net> <26ddd1750806181937y232d5b1dg5f84a66e81697b68@mail.gmail.com> <20080619173550.GA2694@zaph.org> Message-ID: <20080620095834.Y44351@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> >> My main concern is disk space; I have 2GB for ~$26 per month. > > This too is my only gripe about JohnCompanies. For $29 a month, I only > get a VPS with 2GB of space -- and they don't allow you to add more > diskpace unless you upgrade to a higher ($49/month) plan. while i live in Poland, where (in theory) internet services are more expensive than US and many west countries (we are told so at least), it looks like very expensive. 29$/month=348$/year for what i understand - Xen based servers with a bit of RAM allocated and 2GB disk space. it's just funny in context of todays cheap 500-1000GB disks. While i don't do this widely (too little money, too much work to advertise etc.) i have 20 clients on my servers just having their FreeBSD jail for 100$/month. There is 20GB "soft" limit - where soft means that you generally can keep more, but if i will have space problems i will ask to free some space. The important question is traffic generated, not disk space, as this is what's expensive. I just can't understand the basis of their offers. From nvass at teledomenet.gr Fri Jun 20 14:17:48 2008 From: nvass at teledomenet.gr (Nikos Vassiliadis) Date: Fri Jun 20 14:17:54 2008 Subject: How do they do their VPS product? [was Re: FreeBSD based web hosting?] In-Reply-To: <18522.35183.684254.289777@almost.alerce.com> References: <20080619003131.GF51002@dereel.lemis.com> <20080619034525.GA8205@shepherd> <18522.35183.684254.289777@almost.alerce.com> Message-ID: <200806201658.01395.nvass@teledomenet.gr> On Thursday 19 June 2008 19:29:35 George Hartzell wrote: > Is/was there some proprietary virtualization technology in the 4.x > days? Not a proprietary one: http://www.tel.fer.hr/zec/BSD/vimage-old/ & http://imunes.tel.fer.hr/virtnet/eurobsdcon07_tutorial.pdf The presentation pdf states: Anecdotal evidence: FreeBSD 4.11 based version in production use by some US ISPs > Is it still alive and kicking somewhere? Hopefully, it will be integrated to HEAD during summer. You can follow the discussions here: http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-virtualization > Anyone have any insights into how these VPS products were built? Maybe it was that, maybe not... From jhs at berklix.org Sat Jun 21 10:45:54 2008 From: jhs at berklix.org (Julian Stacey) Date: Sat Jun 21 10:45:58 2008 Subject: FreeBSD based web hosting? In-Reply-To: Your message "Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:31:31 +1000." <20080619003131.GF51002@dereel.lemis.com> Message-ID: <200806211010.m5LAAMDA000642@fire.js.berklix.net> > I'm looking for somebody to host some web sites for me. Ideally I'd > like a complete machine, but a jail would do too. I can find plenty > of Linux-based offerings, but the only one I can find with FreeBSD is > in Germany and requires me to be resident in Germany. Can anybody > point me to one that I, as an Australian resident, can use? > > Feel free to reply to me personally and blow your own trumpet if you > want. Please also note that I'm not subscribed to these lists, so > please don't reply only to the list. > > Greg > -- > See complete headers for address and phone numbers. Hi Greg cc lists, Friends run a very flexible BSD based provider company in Munich. http://bsn.de & bsn.com I have servers there. It wouldn't matter to them you weren't in Germany. They speak English & German. Could offer FreeBSD on i686 or so, or sparc-something (maybe OpenBSD for sparc, not sure). They'd likely prefer to offer complete box rental, not a jail. Greg, call Norbert Poellmann cc'd +49 89 692 8120 to discuss possibilities. Norbert, Greg is author of a FreeBSD book, & visited Gary & I etc here once. Index of providers here (& BSN on list) http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/isp.html Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSDUnixLinux C Prog Admin SysEng Consult Munich www.berklix.com Mail just Ascii plain text. HTML & Base64 text are spam. From dougb at FreeBSD.org Mon Jun 23 19:58:21 2008 From: dougb at FreeBSD.org (Doug Barton) Date: Mon Jun 23 19:58:27 2008 Subject: FreeBSD based web hosting? In-Reply-To: <8d23ec860806181806t340b7d25ve11e303f5dc0adf2@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080619003131.GF51002@dereel.lemis.com> <8d23ec860806181806t340b7d25ve11e303f5dc0adf2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <485FFA1A.5040606@FreeBSD.org> I've found this discussion very interesting since I'm currently in the market for a dedicated server provider. Has anyone tried Hurricane Electric? They offer FreeBSD, and I really want a site with native IPv6. Thanks, Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection From szlists at szarka.org Mon Jun 23 21:39:25 2008 From: szlists at szarka.org (Rob Szarka) Date: Mon Jun 23 21:39:29 2008 Subject: FreeBSD based web hosting? In-Reply-To: <20080619003131.GF51002@dereel.lemis.com> References: <20080619003131.GF51002@dereel.lemis.com> Message-ID: <200806232139.m5NLdMcJ081735@hustle.szarka.net> At 08:31 PM 6/18/2008, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: >I'm looking for somebody to host some web sites for me. Ideally I'd >like a complete machine, but a jail would do too. I can find plenty >of Linux-based offerings, but the only one I can find with FreeBSD is >in Germany and requires me to be resident in Germany. Can anybody >point me to one that I, as an Australian resident, can use? I highly recommend The Gotham Bus Company (gothambus.com). They are a small company that do co-lo and dedicated servers in the NYC area and I've hosted on FreeBSD with them since the turn of the century. Gotham's clue level is high, though perhaps not as high as the author of The Complete FreeBSD. ;) From szlists at szarka.org Mon Jun 23 21:53:03 2008 From: szlists at szarka.org (Rob Szarka) Date: Mon Jun 23 21:53:07 2008 Subject: FreeBSD based web hosting? In-Reply-To: <485FFA1A.5040606@FreeBSD.org> References: <20080619003131.GF51002@dereel.lemis.com> <8d23ec860806181806t340b7d25ve11e303f5dc0adf2@mail.gmail.com> <485FFA1A.5040606@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: <200806232139.m5NLdMcH081735@hustle.szarka.net> At 03:31 PM 6/23/2008, Doug Barton wrote: >I've found this discussion very interesting since I'm currently in >the market for a dedicated server provider. Has anyone tried >Hurricane Electric? They offer FreeBSD, and I really want a site >with native IPv6. Not a direct customer, but I've met some of the team, toured one of their data centers years ago, and had root on boxes co-lo'ed with them for quite a while. Those were Linux boxen, but overall I think highly of HE.