From bugmaster at FreeBSD.org Mon Aug 3 11:06:59 2009 From: bugmaster at FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD bugmaster) Date: Mon Aug 3 11:08:39 2009 Subject: Current problem reports assigned to freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <200908031106.n73B6v5U088613@freefall.freebsd.org> Note: to view an individual PR, use: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=(number). The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. S Tracker Resp. Description -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- f conf/109367 i18n [locale] UTF8 encoded locales and problem collating ac f conf/91106 i18n [locale] date definitions in pl_PL locale are wrong 2 problems total. From bugmaster at FreeBSD.org Mon Aug 10 11:06:57 2009 From: bugmaster at FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD bugmaster) Date: Mon Aug 10 11:08:14 2009 Subject: Current problem reports assigned to freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <200908101106.n7AB6uAZ025163@freefall.freebsd.org> Note: to view an individual PR, use: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=(number). The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. S Tracker Resp. Description -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- f conf/109367 i18n [locale] UTF8 encoded locales and problem collating ac f conf/91106 i18n [locale] date definitions in pl_PL locale are wrong 2 problems total. From bugmaster at FreeBSD.org Mon Aug 17 11:06:56 2009 From: bugmaster at FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD bugmaster) Date: Mon Aug 17 11:08:13 2009 Subject: Current problem reports assigned to freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <200908171106.n7HB6tBG075803@freefall.freebsd.org> Note: to view an individual PR, use: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=(number). The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. S Tracker Resp. Description -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- f conf/109367 i18n [locale] UTF8 encoded locales and problem collating ac f conf/91106 i18n [locale] date definitions in pl_PL locale are wrong 2 problems total. From gavin at FreeBSD.org Mon Aug 17 11:28:10 2009 From: gavin at FreeBSD.org (gavin@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon Aug 17 11:28:15 2009 Subject: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed Message-ID: <200908171128.n7HBS9eV094369@freefall.freebsd.org> Old Synopsis: Locale en_DK needed New Synopsis: [locale] en_DK needed Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-bugs->freebsd-i18n Responsible-Changed-By: gavin Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Aug 17 11:14:32 UTC 2009 Responsible-Changed-Why: Over to maintainer(s). To submitter: if you have already created copies of the requested files, are you able to share them? http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=137870 From fbsd at opal.com Tue Aug 18 11:00:50 2009 From: fbsd at opal.com (J.R. Oldroyd) Date: Tue Aug 18 11:00:56 2009 Subject: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed In-Reply-To: <200908171128.n7HBS9eV094369@freefall.freebsd.org> References: <200908171128.n7HBS9eV094369@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20090818123121.0e99c37e@shibato.opal.com> On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:28:09 GMT, gavin@freebsd.org wrote: > > Old Synopsis: Locale en_DK needed > New Synopsis: [locale] en_DK needed > > Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-bugs->freebsd-i18n > Responsible-Changed-By: gavin > Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Aug 17 11:14:32 UTC 2009 > Responsible-Changed-Why: > Over to maintainer(s). To submitter: if you have already created copies of the > requested files, are you able to share them? > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=137870 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-i18n > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-i18n-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I think the locale name en_ISOdate or even en_UK.isodate and en_US.isodate or something along those lines would be more suitable. First, en_DK might one day be needed to describe how English is actually used in Denmark. Second, anyone looking for a locale description with English but ISO date/time info is unlikely to find it if it is hidden under a local country name. -jr From fbsd at opal.com Tue Aug 18 14:50:04 2009 From: fbsd at opal.com (J.R. Oldroyd) Date: Tue Aug 18 14:50:11 2009 Subject: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed Message-ID: <200908181450.n7IEo4PL013256@freefall.freebsd.org> The following reply was made to PR conf/137870; it has been noted by GNATS. From: "J.R. Oldroyd" To: bug-followup@freebsd.org Cc: Subject: Re: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:16:40 +0200 On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:28:09 GMT, gavin@freebsd.org wrote: > > Old Synopsis: Locale en_DK needed > New Synopsis: [locale] en_DK needed > > Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-bugs->freebsd-i18n > Responsible-Changed-By: gavin > Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Aug 17 11:14:32 UTC 2009 > Responsible-Changed-Why: > Over to maintainer(s). To submitter: if you have already created copies of the > requested files, are you able to share them? > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=137870 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-i18n > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-i18n-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I think the locale name en_ISOdate or even en_UK.isodate and en_US.isodate or something along those lines would be more suitable. First, en_DK might one day be needed to describe how English is actually used in Denmark. Second, anyone looking for a locale description with English but ISO date/time info is unlikely to find it if it is hidden under a local country name. -jr From edwin at mavetju.org Wed Aug 19 12:23:38 2009 From: edwin at mavetju.org (Edwin Groothuis) Date: Wed Aug 19 12:23:45 2009 Subject: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed Message-ID: <20090819122337.GA67980@mavetju.org> > I think the locale name en_ISOdate or even en_UK.isodate and > en_US.isodate or something along those lines would be more suitable. The optional part behind the country is reserved for the font family. Latn or Cyrl etc. What you are more looking at is a unused language string (like "xx" to make it "xx_DK") which has the right definitions in it. I don't think that the right place for this non-standard thing is in the base system, a port would be a much cleaner solution. Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis Website: http://www.mavetju.org/ edwin@mavetju.org Weblog: http://www.mavetju.org/weblog/ From edwin at mavetju.org Wed Aug 19 12:30:03 2009 From: edwin at mavetju.org (Edwin Groothuis) Date: Wed Aug 19 12:30:09 2009 Subject: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed Message-ID: <200908191230.n7JCU3aT060623@freefall.freebsd.org> The following reply was made to PR conf/137870; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Edwin Groothuis To: freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.org, bug-followup@freebsd.org Cc: "J. R. Oldroyd" Subject: Re: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:23:37 +1000 > I think the locale name en_ISOdate or even en_UK.isodate and > en_US.isodate or something along those lines would be more suitable. The optional part behind the country is reserved for the font family. Latn or Cyrl etc. What you are more looking at is a unused language string (like "xx" to make it "xx_DK") which has the right definitions in it. I don't think that the right place for this non-standard thing is in the base system, a port would be a much cleaner solution. Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis Website: http://www.mavetju.org/ edwin@mavetju.org Weblog: http://www.mavetju.org/weblog/ From fbsd at opal.com Wed Aug 19 14:30:40 2009 From: fbsd at opal.com (J.R. Oldroyd) Date: Wed Aug 19 14:30:46 2009 Subject: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed In-Reply-To: <20090819122337.GA67980@mavetju.org> References: <20090819122337.GA67980@mavetju.org> Message-ID: <20090819163030.6e2bd6c3@shibato.opal.com> On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:23:37 +1000, Edwin Groothuis wrote: > > > > I think the locale name en_ISOdate or even en_UK.isodate and > > en_US.isodate or something along those lines would be more suitable. > > The optional part behind the country is reserved for the font family. > Latn or Cyrl etc. > > What you are more looking at is a unused language string (like "xx" > to make it "xx_DK") which has the right definitions in it. > > I don't think that the right place for this non-standard thing is > in the base system, a port would be a much cleaner solution. > > Edwin > You are right about the part after the period being reserved, although it seems it's a character set rather than a font family. The format appears to be: xx_YY.charset xx = ISO639 2-letter language code YY = ISO3166 2-letter country code charset = UTF-8, ISO8859-1, CP1131, etc For years now I have used the name en_ISO.UTF-8 myself for exactly the purpose that the poster is requesting, without anything apparently breaking. While the string "ISO" is obviously not a 2-letter ISO3166 country code, it does not appear to break anything. I agree that this should be done as a port, rather than added to the base system. -jr From fbsd at opal.com Wed Aug 19 14:40:06 2009 From: fbsd at opal.com (J.R. Oldroyd) Date: Wed Aug 19 14:40:12 2009 Subject: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed Message-ID: <200908191440.n7JEe4XF060115@freefall.freebsd.org> The following reply was made to PR conf/137870; it has been noted by GNATS. From: "J.R. Oldroyd" To: Edwin Groothuis Cc: freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.org, bug-followup@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:30:30 +0200 On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:23:37 +1000, Edwin Groothuis wrote: > > > > I think the locale name en_ISOdate or even en_UK.isodate and > > en_US.isodate or something along those lines would be more suitable. > > The optional part behind the country is reserved for the font family. > Latn or Cyrl etc. > > What you are more looking at is a unused language string (like "xx" > to make it "xx_DK") which has the right definitions in it. > > I don't think that the right place for this non-standard thing is > in the base system, a port would be a much cleaner solution. > > Edwin > You are right about the part after the period being reserved, although it seems it's a character set rather than a font family. The format appears to be: xx_YY.charset xx = ISO639 2-letter language code YY = ISO3166 2-letter country code charset = UTF-8, ISO8859-1, CP1131, etc For years now I have used the name en_ISO.UTF-8 myself for exactly the purpose that the poster is requesting, without anything apparently breaking. While the string "ISO" is obviously not a 2-letter ISO3166 country code, it does not appear to break anything. I agree that this should be done as a port, rather than added to the base system. -jr From edwin at mavetju.org Thu Aug 20 11:20:24 2009 From: edwin at mavetju.org (Edwin Groothuis) Date: Thu Aug 20 11:20:32 2009 Subject: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed Message-ID: <20090820112022.GA72150@mavetju.org> > You are right about the part after the period being reserved, although > it seems it's a character set rather than a font family. > > The format appears to be: RFC4646. You are right, it's not a font family but a Language Tag. Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis Website: http://www.mavetju.org/ edwin@mavetju.org Weblog: http://www.mavetju.org/weblog/ From fbsd at opal.com Thu Aug 20 14:25:08 2009 From: fbsd at opal.com (J.R. Oldroyd) Date: Thu Aug 20 14:25:16 2009 Subject: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed In-Reply-To: <20090820112022.GA72150@mavetju.org> References: <20090820112022.GA72150@mavetju.org> Message-ID: <20090820151100.4e537255@shibato.opal.com> On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:20:23 +1000, Edwin Groothuis wrote: > > RFC4646. > Thanks for finding RFC4646. I would also refer to this document: http://www.openi18n.org/docs/text/LocNameGuide-V10.txt The format of locale names is defined there. In short: LANGUAGE_TERRITORY.CODESET@MODIFIERS Based on this, and since we're modifying LC_TIME, I would now propose the base name for the proposed modification be: en@ISOtime The port should define modifiers for all base system "en_" territories: en_AU@ISOtime en_CA@ISOtime en_GB@ISOtime en_IE@ISOtime en_NZ@ISOtime en_US@ISOtime and also the various base system codesets: en_AU.ISO8859-1@ISOtime en_AU.ISO8859-15@ISOtime en_AU.US-ASCII@ISOtime en_AU.UTF-8@ISOtime etc -jr From bugmaster at FreeBSD.org Mon Aug 24 11:06:56 2009 From: bugmaster at FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD bugmaster) Date: Mon Aug 24 11:08:18 2009 Subject: Current problem reports assigned to freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <200908241106.n7OB6tlC048587@freefall.freebsd.org> Note: to view an individual PR, use: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=(number). The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. S Tracker Resp. Description -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o conf/137870 i18n [locale] en_DK needed f conf/109367 i18n [locale] UTF8 encoded locales and problem collating ac f conf/91106 i18n [locale] date definitions in pl_PL locale are wrong 3 problems total. From konrad.jankowski at bluemedia.pl Mon Aug 24 20:20:05 2009 From: konrad.jankowski at bluemedia.pl (konrad.jankowski@bluemedia.pl) Date: Mon Aug 24 20:20:15 2009 Subject: conf/109367: [locale] UTF8 encoded locales and problem collating accents Message-ID: <200908242020.n7OKK4RE013901@freefall.freebsd.org> The following reply was made to PR conf/109367; it has been noted by GNATS. From: "konrad.jankowski@bluemedia.pl" To: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org, salsafresh@yahoo.com Cc: Subject: Re: conf/109367: [locale] UTF8 encoded locales and problem collating accents Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:53:42 +0200 This is actually my task, I will take over from this point on. It is and will be broken until I finally merge back my patches. Sorry for the long delay, I had got really heavy personal stuff going on. This is all about this work: http://wiki.freebsd.org/KonradJankowski/Collation From bugmaster at FreeBSD.org Mon Aug 31 11:07:07 2009 From: bugmaster at FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD bugmaster) Date: Mon Aug 31 11:08:17 2009 Subject: Current problem reports assigned to freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <200908311107.n7VB76ij070570@freefall.freebsd.org> Note: to view an individual PR, use: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=(number). The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. S Tracker Resp. Description -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o conf/137870 i18n [locale] en_DK needed f conf/109367 i18n [locale] UTF8 encoded locales and problem collating ac f conf/91106 i18n [locale] date definitions in pl_PL locale are wrong 3 problems total.